@@Synergy7Studios I know perfectly well how to have fun, I also know that questionably legality, clunky and dysfunctional firearms, as well as a gun like this that is unpleasant to shoot, don't factor into it very well.
Personally I think his reviews on junk weapons are more entertaining than the reviews of the really good stuff. I get a kick out of seeing what kind of crazy shenanigans gun makers get up to when left to their own devices. And Cobray came up with some real doozies.
@@billysmith5409 I also love how he covers mechanical design in general. You don't learn much if nothing goes wrong, but the total institutional meltdown that creates terrible weapons is fascinating.
spigotsandcogs I've heard that 12 gauge pipe guns are fairly alright for guerilla fighters for how cheap and easy they are to produce, so I suppose this is an attempt on improving that whilst being potentially cheaper and simpler than a break action If I made this I feel I'd want a normal bolt though, keep the barrel fixed so you can lob pipebombs and sharpened legos out of it or something lol
Sonic&Knuckles &Womble lower the powder charge correctly and use a wood dowel as basically a piston from the shell to what you want to launch and you can fire pretty heavy objects pretty far. Don't try to fire from the shoulder or hip for obvious reasons. Shotguns in guerrilla warfare can be incredibly versatile.
I was totally expecting there to be a magazineswell on the other side of that gun... I was disappointed. It's basically an overengineered single-shot pipegun.
Jesse Sisolack This would at least allow you a better aimed shot than a pipe gun. It does what it was designed to do, and would serve better than none.
Trigunnie45 If you build a stock into it, a pipe gun is not too hard to aim...I mean for a shotgun at least. Yes this sure does beat nothing. I would say it beats a sharp stick as well. I think a pipe gun is better though, and an H&R style single shot better yet.
Trigunnie45 And in this case, that better option cost less when they were both new. Buy the better weapon for less money (talking about the H&R single shot).
Well, in al honesty this thing isn't all that simple either. It's just a bad concept with the barrell essentially punching your shoulder at the same time as the explosive load does. The simplest guns would likely be a hammer fired bolt action or rolling block type of gun, or just a break action rifle/shotgun for that matter. None of these concepts really have a whole lot of parts in it to start with and it's a lot safer and better to use than whatever this thing is. The sad fact is that most "simple" firearms concepts were already invented 100-200 years ago, and the only thing we really can do to simplify things these days is to tweak the manufacturing process.
@@rainmaker6217 the simplest firearm would be a pipe shotgun. All you have is two pipes, one of which has a fixed firing pin. It does not get simpler than that.
I went to a gun show once and asked a guy "Hey, can you give me a sling swivel for a Cobray Terminator?" He thought for a moment and said "Ok, that sounds like a fair trade"
Forgotten Weapons Well I mean it's not made of wood and pipe, so I guess it's more like a professional pipe shotgun. It's nicer than the one I made using TM31-210.
+Gorn Captain I was going to say the same thing. The reason no one was buying this for 90 USD was because they would have paid less getting the parts at Home Depot :P
The story "back in the day" was that they were going to be coming out with a conversion kit which would fit into that receiver and make it a 9mm full auto. The idea was the "kit" was going to be done with bolt-in parts. Nobody ever saw them and it might have just been a ruse to sell them. Another marketing ploy was that they could be mounted under the barrel of an AR15, and somewhat resemble an M203, but that funky cocking mechanism prevented any practical use.
They can be mounted to an AR. It feels weird and handles difficult, oh and shoots like a shitstick, but we got 3 "aimed" shots off in one minute. ("Aimed" as in we hit the 3×5 plywood we pointed it at, but not exactly a precision weapon. Exactly NOT a precision weapon.)
for some reason this made me visualize this dumbass with the lady's home companion mounted underbarrel. Which I think would be the most preposterous weapon system conceived. and then I giggled at the thought for a minute.
A poor mans "Doorkey" shotgun lol. Back then, you could still find an 870 for way sub 200 bucks lol. I remember those add on kits. Cobray also had 37mm "m203" kits to bolt on your "m4". Wish like hell I'd have had spare money back then. I was a kid. Bad timing lol. I had bills to pay. Man. the late 80s and early 90's were a fucking gun heaven! Cheap milsurp. Cheap ammo. Thats also when the federals started fucking with folks tho sadly.
I think I've figured out the design process goes for Cobray. "Hey Steve." "Yeah Bill?" "Let's make a shotgun?" "Great idea Bill!" "Alright! Let's get to work." "Hey Bill..." "Yeah Steve?" "Do you know how to make a shotgun?" "No idea." ........... "What about one of those water guns where you pull the water out of the pool?" "Steve... YOU'RE A GENIUS!"
AardvarkLord i feel it was more of a "Hey Bill" "yeah Steve?" "You know how companies make guns kind of pleasent and comfortable to shoot?" "Yeah" "What if we made them not like that?" "Jesus Steve! You're a genius!"
i wouldnt be concerned about people turning these into machine guns, i'd be worried someone bought one and reverse engineered it and built hundreds from spare plumbing.
I thought that the ATF was just stupid for seizing airsoft guns saying they could be converted into full auto 'assault weapons', so honestly I can see people believing the rumor about this gun.
TheRealColBosch WHile I can see what you mean, it was hardly a myth because they had members of the ATF in interviews and that is what they were saying the reason for the seize was, they myth that continues to be spread is that airsoft guns can be converted to fire live rounds, though that is spread by the media more so than the public.
+A Travler from a different land Except the ATF on numerous occasions. Cobray single-handedly set back the cause of guns rights in this country by years by making guns that did very little of note except look sinister, carry cringe-worthy aggressive names and draw too much of the wrong kinds of attention. Quite frankly the street sweeper was a poor shotgun, a Remington 870 Wingmaster is more dangerous and more lethal in the wrong hands, but: it looked dangerous (frankly to a liberal it looked like a grenade launcher), it carried a name that implied it was for criminal use, it was based on a South African design which conjured up mental images of being used for oppression and connections with apartheid, and the company had terrible PR. Same with their Ingram clones. Take a gun that's widely pictured in the media when it's used by south American drug cartels and paramilitary death squads, that's infamous for use in drive-by shootings, and make a semi-auto clone of it in all black. Genius move given the political climate of the early 90s...
Tevo77777 Yes, back before unrestricted warfare. But that wasn't the common soldier, that was the General Staff, for the most part. Leaders in the 20th century were often intellectually disconnected from reality.
***** All warfare was unrestricted back then, dumbass. People used to rape and enslave their victims. Conscription was the norm in Europe after Napoleon, the public during the American Civil-War wanted to watch the combat while eating lunch.
Torres75 I saw that shit. He is obviously unfamiliar with black powder; it would need about four times the barrel length to get into a useful velocity range. On top of the terrifying ignition method- would using an inline muzzleloader 209 primer system be too difficult, or just not showy enough?
SuperSmith_ I watch Royal Nonesuch but his homemade weapons are really getting lame. He has so much opportunities because he knows mark serbu, but won't come up with a cool/unique idea for a firearm.
It looks like a simple partisan weapon, like the concept of US Liberator of WW2 / Deer gun if the Vietnam War era. Slam fire shotgun, as this is like the Richardson Industries M5 Philippine guerrilla gun in covert warfare employment concept. The single point sling attachment for a loop sling aids carry under a coat. A great video, thank you, Greg
+Baker Tankersley Keltecs don't have reliability problems if you don't have the wrist strength of a newborn baby. I had a half dozen of their pistols... never had one with a problem.
FinnTheHuman that was only the stormtrooper blaster, everything else in the O.T. was pretty much WWII weaponry, well save for one blaster that was a modified AR-15
@@jasonarmstrong5750 The Rebel pistols from the beginning of Episode 4 were based off Sterlings as well. The props were later upgraded for Episode 5 to include a "magazine", but the weapon only has 2 seconds of screentime so its not noticeable unless you were specifically looking for it.
When you mentioned this gun was impractical, I could barely imagine what you were talking about. Impractical is actually the nicest thing you could say. A single shot, swing open shotgun is so much more practical it's not even fair.
I find all the negative comments about Cobray amusing. I have one of their double barreled derringer style pistols in 45/410 and love it .Perfect home defense weapon; cheap,simple and easy to operate. Not everyone can afford a Colt.
May be my lack of sleep, but I laughed out loud at "they gave you one sling swivel and one sight" 7:45 Maybe you can fix the swivel in upright position and use it as rear sight.
U cannot seriously expect a PAIR of both for just 90$ !!! And it is still more practical than having saved money by building in half a barrel or half a grip...
I mean, most hunting shotguns I’ve seen just have the one bead near the muzzle. They have an actual decent sight radius and your more putting the centre of your pattern over the target, though. Not trying to pick off a dear’s lungs or anything, eh? Slug guns got scope mounts for that.
Quite interesting video. Not that I know much about guns, but there are a few designs for "home-made" shotguns that are based on a fixed firing pin and tubes sliding inside each other. Basically, two moving parts. This Cobray seems to take this idea and develops it into a "commercial" (kind of...) shotgun.
Weapons like this _still do_ have a purpose (sort of). Me and a few buddies are working on a graphic novel, and we feature quite a few irregular forces (partisan fighters and whatnot) who arm themselves with crude, hastily-made weapons - essentially just spare parts and scrap metal. While obviously not as effective as they could be, the design mentality is, "Buckshot is buckshot. It doesn't matter if it's fired from a scrap-metal tube or a military-grade shotgun, you _will_ take cover if it's pointing your way." We also take a lot of inspiration from weapons such as the *Blyskawica*, in keeping with the theme of a revolution/uprising. The Terminator in particular also has something of a rustic charm to it, and it wouldn't look out of place in a post-apocalyptic setting. When civilization crumbles the rugged shine, and being able to manufacture your own weapons is an asset that's best not wasted (even if said weapons aren't of the highest quality).
It’s kinda going for like a Stirling SMG look, isn’t it? Barrel shroud built into the tube stock body, folding shoulder stock, and simple little pistol grip.
And yet you'd be much better off recreating another gun because this one is unnecessarily complicated. Cheaply/lazily designed does not mean not-complicated.
fireonthemountain1776 It may have few parts, but for what it does it actually has many more than needed. You can make essentially the same thing with a nail and two pieces of steel tubing.
It is a complicated slam fire shotgun. You can make a less complicated slam fire shotgun with $25 and a trip to the hardware store. Two tips. 3/4 inch pipe is the perfect size for 12ga, and 1 inch is the perfect receiver size.
fireonthemountain1776 Do you see the way it operates? Now compare it to a double barrel shotgun for example and you'll see it's way to slow, fires only once at a time, and that's what complicated about it. Notice I never said the weapon was *COMPLEX*, because really it's not, but it's overly elaborate (in the wrong way), impractical and cumbersome.
michael johnson It's basically an over complicated single shot slam fire shotgun (which can easily be made from a couple of heavy water pipes, an end cap of similar heaviness, and a heavy tack/nail as the firing pin).
Alfonso Navarro They're both fairly simple designs. The real difference is in the ease of operation. A break action is easy to use whereas this one is very clumsy.
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Interesting video, and given the history of SWD/Cobray I suspect the Terminator was designed largely to send ATF a big FU over the open bolt ruling. I always had the impression the owners ran Cobray with a "What would Larry Flynt Do?" attitude. :-P
I'd really love to see interviews with the "engineers" behind these classic bads, but I suspect that would be a little humiliating. It's a shame, since it would be fun to hear about what they were going for when doing the initial design.
I guess being the worlds most impractical shotty it doesn't really need a sling nor sights. It would never be taken into battle, wouldn't be a good hunting weapon. Just a big metal WTF.
I thoroughly enjoy all the improvised modified fireams to be found online, and this cobray terminator belongs alongside all the wonderful pipe shotguns & zipguns🔫
When they first came out, I bought one, $140 at a gun show, I was young, it was fun, it never missed a beat, I sold it, a few years later I bought another one used off of a friend, same deal, no issues. Ended up selling it, fast forward 30 years a friend of mine showed me one that he picked up, I traded something of a bit more value than the terminator, but nostalgia was telling me to do so. All in all, it is a fun novelty, sad that Ian reviewed one that had firing issues. Yes, they are awkward,impractical, but having owned a few, they are fun if you have to fortitude to withstand a bit of recoil. :)
having watched a couple of his video's about Cobray weapons, I feel like the company existed as a false flag operation to keep the ATF busy, and provide patently ridiculous weapons for them to ban/regulate, thereby allowing other, more rational guns to pass through as ATF regulators would think "At least its not like that damn Cobray" Much like movie makers do with the MPAA, by filming and submitting scenes that are entirely outrageous, that they will then cut from the film thereby getting the desired rating on the rest of the film.
"Questioningly illegal, and thoroughly impractical..." Ian I thank you for putting those words together into a sentence because that combination of letters I music to my ears.
I love my Cobray Terminator. It was the first shotgun I ever had. I inherited it from my dad cos it was just a very simple single shot to get me started. I've had hours of fun with mine and hope to have many more. Rose tinted glasses maybe, but they are interesting, durable and don't deserve such a bad rep. Good videos tho'...
The discerning young man with $100, baggy sweatpants, and a desire to put a 12 gauge slug through basketball jerseys of a different color than his own before throwing the $100 shotgun in a dumpster.
The Star Wars prop department would have a wonderful time with a box of Cobray Terminators. This is, incidentally, the only context in which a wonderful time could be had with a box of Cobray Terminators.
shot one of these when I was a kid, my dad collected crazy stuff like this and the KG9 and Uzi's had street sweepers and other stuff like this in the 80's/90's... was a fun time before 94 ban. I remember the garage being full of Full Auto Uzi's right after the ban and my mom and he arguing about the mortgage he took out on the house to buy them, now he sells one a year to support them as a part of his retirement.
Looks like a sten....I don't why they only did one shot....Why not have a magazine for it? If Cobray made it a little bigger and with a magazine, it would probably be an alright shotgun (and replace the stock with a fixed one).
greg Bilotta because the bolt didnt allow for repeated action, it just locks once fired and you need to cycle it manually before loading the next round.
So, basically Cobray took a fucking Sten gun, slapped an FAL pistol grip on it, added a 1970s Rhodesian style retracting stock on it and made it a single shot, breech loading shotgun... UGGGGHHHH *face palm*
LOL. Never heard of this thing before so im looking at the stills with the impression" It looks like a 12 gauge STEN...Cool" and then I watched the video and I'm like why does this gun need to exist? LOL. It does make me wander if the thing fires from an open barrel, that in it self is just weird. What retains the shell in the chamber?
A break action is even simpler, easier to manufacture, better to shoot, faster to operate. I like how Cobray was willing to try new things though, even if they only had bad ideas. Did they make any decent guns?
Many people suggest that one should avoid firearm with aggressive names, lest some anti-gun DA uses that against you in front of a know-nothing jury(does happen). I worked for a security company that used K-9s, concerned about lawsuits all our dogs had soft names (on paper anyhow) like Alice, Fluffy, and Snuggles. Alice was my dog, the only one I can recall where the official name and the working name were the same.
What a horribly disgusting spawn of a weapon this is. Absolutely repulsive in every aspect except for the safety. I'd love to see more Cobray items. Honestly, this was like watching brain surgery. You don't want to watch but you can't look away!
+Motorcycle Addict I'm wondering the same myself, and I would not mind owning one if I could find one cheap, as it would make a last defense weapon, or scare the crap out of someone breaking into your house at nice because it looks more like a machine gun then a shot gun.
I watched Ian's rant about collectible guns that were rebranded with names that have no historical validity, like P-38s sold as the Gray Ghost. This gun represents my biggest pet peeve, guns, and other objects, that are given names drawn from pop culture to make them sound "badass". Names like Ninja and Samurai slapped on products never used by either of these two groups, or a name like raptor pulled from a movie like Jurassic Park
"Questionably legal and thoroughly impractical" is the best category of firearm.
Are you sure about that? Because that sounds precisely like the exact opposite of best to me!
@@lordbarristertimsh8050 then you don't know how to have fun.
@@Synergy7Studios I know perfectly well how to have fun, I also know that questionably legality, clunky and dysfunctional firearms, as well as a gun like this that is unpleasant to shoot, don't factor into it very well.
@@lordbarristertimsh8050 bro it is a youtube comment and I am very obviously joking, relax.
@@Synergy7Studios I was just trying to be a good sport and play along.
Truly a marvel of firearm technology, a weapon that adds more recoil instead of subtracting it.
it's the terminator because it terminates the user
Don't stop reviewing junk, Ian. Your reviews of junk firearms are just as entertaining as masterpiece historical weapons.
Hear hear.
Agreed about egregiously Abominable Arms.
This comment has me squirming in my pants hahah that was a big whip it
Personally I think his reviews on junk weapons are more entertaining than the reviews of the really good stuff. I get a kick out of seeing what kind of crazy shenanigans gun makers get up to when left to their own devices. And Cobray came up with some real doozies.
@@billysmith5409 I also love how he covers mechanical design in general. You don't learn much if nothing goes wrong, but the total institutional meltdown that creates terrible weapons is fascinating.
So, it's a slam-fire shotgun with extra steps.
pretty much... but a neat one...
Aiden is all Knowing slam fire 12ga zip gun id think is accurate
IKR?! I'll take two!
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Aiden Studios this comment has me squirming in my pants
The heat shroud on the barrel tells me they were quite optimistic about the rate of fire you could get out of this thing.
Nah, they just wanted you to think it shoots real quick like
An old fashioned break-action shotgun seems way more practical than this... thing.
spigotsandcogs I've heard that 12 gauge pipe guns are fairly alright for guerilla fighters for how cheap and easy they are to produce, so I suppose this is an attempt on improving that whilst being potentially cheaper and simpler than a break action
If I made this I feel I'd want a normal bolt though, keep the barrel fixed so you can lob pipebombs and sharpened legos out of it or something lol
Sonic&Knuckles &Womble lower the powder charge correctly and use a wood dowel as basically a piston from the shell to what you want to launch and you can fire pretty heavy objects pretty far. Don't try to fire from the shoulder or hip for obvious reasons. Shotguns in guerrilla warfare can be incredibly versatile.
ya i want to make a tubegun shotgun that fires from open bolt... make it semi or full auto...
muzzleloaders seem more practical than this... thing.
spigotsandcogs literally anything that is vaguely weaponlike is more practical than this
I was totally expecting there to be a magazineswell on the other side of that gun... I was disappointed.
It's basically an overengineered single-shot pipegun.
Basically yes. It is a pipe gun with a spring and trigger release. I think a normal pipe gun would be a better design.
Jesse Sisolack
This would at least allow you a better aimed shot than a pipe gun. It does what it was designed to do, and would serve better than none.
Trigunnie45 If you build a stock into it, a pipe gun is not too hard to aim...I mean for a shotgun at least. Yes this sure does beat nothing. I would say it beats a sharp stick as well. I think a pipe gun is better though, and an H&R style single shot better yet.
Jesse Sisolack
Well there are always better options out there mate. =]
Trigunnie45 And in this case, that better option cost less when they were both new. Buy the better weapon for less money (talking about the H&R single shot).
In which we learn that it is indeed quite possible to oversimplify a firearm.
Heh! Truth.
Idk, the same thing but spring pushing the firing pin forward must be better
Well, in al honesty this thing isn't all that simple either. It's just a bad concept with the barrell essentially punching your shoulder at the same time as the explosive load does.
The simplest guns would likely be a hammer fired bolt action or rolling block type of gun, or just a break action rifle/shotgun for that matter. None of these concepts really have a whole lot of parts in it to start with and it's a lot safer and better to use than whatever this thing is. The sad fact is that most "simple" firearms concepts were already invented 100-200 years ago, and the only thing we really can do to simplify things these days is to tweak the manufacturing process.
@@rainmaker6217 the simplest firearm would be a pipe shotgun. All you have is two pipes, one of which has a fixed firing pin. It does not get simpler than that.
And when Ian fired this, his shoulder was punished severely.
A commercially produced pipe gun.
Yep: Was thinking it had more in common with something I'd get sketchy plans for from a .txt with ASCII diagrams than anything I'd buy from a store...
This definitely seems like the kind of gun that one could make a crude version of with basic materials.
Honestly that basically is a two-piece garage gun, was my thought. The entire barrel going back with the trigger pull, that's just weird man...
Look at the Czech Sa vz. 26 SMG, it's even more akin to a pipe gun.
@@56bturn yes, but nobody would because the design is terrible.
I went to a gun show once and asked a guy "Hey, can you give me a sling swivel for a Cobray Terminator?"
He thought for a moment and said "Ok, that sounds like a fair trade"
Matthew Campbell
You got ripped off.
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easily converted to machine gun...single shot shotgun...riiiight...
Brass 'n Barrels Firearms Channel Yeah... About that...
All it needs is a fully semi automatically bump stock 🤣
I strongly suspect that rumor was started by the company's marketing department.
@@readman010 it kinda technically has that already
*easily converted to single shot machine gun.
Looks like someone took some leftover bits of a Sterling, a STEN, and a FAL and welded them together.
+Tim Gueguen it really is
+Tim Gueguen And deciced to make it a shotgun for some reason.
+Tim Gueguen I too thought is was Sten-like when I saw it.
and a piece of a tractor
lol:D
So......it's a fancy pipe shotgun?
+Gorn Captain No, it's not fancy at all.
Forgotten Weapons Well I mean it's not made of wood and pipe, so I guess it's more like a professional pipe shotgun. It's nicer than the one I made using TM31-210.
Bob Bowie His shitty cannon only stunned me temporarily with the level of shit quality in his build.
+Gorn Captain I was going to say the same thing. The reason no one was buying this for 90 USD was because they would have paid less getting the parts at Home Depot :P
+Forgotten Weapons It's an angry looking slam-fire rig, bout it
Other names for Cobray firearms include:
School scanner
Mall masher
Courthouse clearer
and
Post office "protector"
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The story "back in the day" was that they were going to be coming out with a conversion kit which would fit into that receiver and make it a 9mm full auto. The idea was the "kit" was going to be done with bolt-in parts. Nobody ever saw them and it might have just been a ruse to sell them. Another marketing ploy was that they could be mounted under the barrel of an AR15, and somewhat resemble an M203, but that funky cocking mechanism prevented any practical use.
They can be mounted to an AR. It feels weird and handles difficult, oh and shoots like a shitstick, but we got 3 "aimed" shots off in one minute. ("Aimed" as in we hit the 3×5 plywood we pointed it at, but not exactly a precision weapon. Exactly NOT a precision weapon.)
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for some reason this made me visualize this dumbass with the lady's home companion mounted underbarrel. Which I think would be the most preposterous weapon system conceived. and then I giggled at the thought for a minute.
@@bungtunger5345
Cobray has done more to get gun regulations passed than any NGO in world history
A poor mans "Doorkey" shotgun lol. Back then, you could still find an 870 for way sub 200 bucks lol. I remember those add on kits.
Cobray also had 37mm "m203" kits to bolt on your "m4". Wish like hell I'd have had spare money back then.
I was a kid. Bad timing lol. I had bills to pay.
Man. the late 80s and early 90's were a fucking gun heaven! Cheap milsurp. Cheap ammo.
Thats also when the federals started fucking with folks tho sadly.
I think I've figured out the design process goes for Cobray. "Hey Steve." "Yeah Bill?" "Let's make a shotgun?" "Great idea Bill!" "Alright! Let's get to work." "Hey Bill..." "Yeah Steve?" "Do you know how to make a shotgun?" "No idea." ........... "What about one of those water guns where you pull the water out of the pool?" "Steve... YOU'RE A GENIUS!"
AardvarkLord i feel it was more of a "Hey Bill" "yeah Steve?" "You know how companies make guns kind of pleasent and comfortable to shoot?" "Yeah" "What if we made them not like that?" "Jesus Steve! You're a genius!"
"Hey Bill, you know how most companies make planes that have, you know...wings?" "YOU'RE WORKING AT CONVAIR NOW, STEVE."
"Hey, Steve." "Yeah, Bill?" "You know pipe shotguns?" "Yeah?" "What if we made one but worse." "Fucking inspired, man! "
it's a reverse open bolt system the lower on that gun could be modified to fire full auto I think that was the point of this gun
@@tylerjames5482 so, a blow-forward machine shotgun? I suppose the magazine have to go to the left side of it
i wouldnt be concerned about people turning these into machine guns, i'd be worried someone bought one and reverse engineered it and built hundreds from spare plumbing.
You wouldn't need to reverse engineer it, it'd be easy enough to build something better from scratch.
I wouldn't even be worried about that. If I knew people were plotting an armed uprising or an invasion, it's best they do it with a gun like this.
Harri you cant learn what to do from thatthing, you can learn what not to do.
Anybody who would decide to do that would be better off making Luty SMGs.
It's the other way around, someone reverse engineered a slamfire pipegun and made this.
looks like something a thug in a post apocalypse movie would use.
remmus64- hence the name Terminator. LOL
Because it was. 😟
The kinda movie where he also immediately dies because the black guy always dies first
Hopefully, because if they're armed with this piece of crap you will have time to find a tree limb to beat their brain out before they can cock it.
even then, it's probably only used as a hammer anyway.
I want one of these all aged up as a wasteland gun. looks like something out of the metro games.
Glockcamole the true bastard gun.
Not even nomadic inbred cannibals would use this garbage
The pipe guns from Fallout 4 look more comfortable than this, and they’re sat in a 2x2 with a plain pipe for a stock and handle.
6 years later and now we have it in Diesel-Punk Space Pirate game "Marauders"
Would make a good starting weapon... the kind you want to immediately replace and never touch again.
I'd rather throw rocks..
Best comment.
Save the rocks, throw the shotgun first...
Best Comment #2
LMFAO
HisDukeNess you throw rocks I’ll throw SSG at you
I think this small arms designer was a troll
Lucas Kroon. I think that I smell Gordon Ingram design here.
I'll give you $20 for it.
i can probably make a better shotgun with 20 $
You'd be better off just getting a steel pipe and hitting the primer with a hammer
That $20 Better include shipping.
After watching him shoot it that's still overpriced
And here's your $14.01 change
Thank you, come again
I thought that the ATF was just stupid for seizing airsoft guns saying they could be converted into full auto 'assault weapons', so honestly I can see people believing the rumor about this gun.
TheRealColBosch WHile I can see what you mean, it was hardly a myth because they had members of the ATF in interviews and that is what they were saying the reason for the seize was, they myth that continues to be spread is that airsoft guns can be converted to fire live rounds, though that is spread by the media more so than the public.
new slogan! "Cobray: Because We Can,"!!!
+Chris Hutchins Nope, "Cobray: Because no one tried to stop us!!!!!!".
NO!!!😡 "Cobray: We can't believe people are actually buying our shit!"
+Chris Hutchins "Cobray: Because zip gun quality is too high!"
+A Travler from a different land Except the ATF on numerous occasions. Cobray single-handedly set back the cause of guns rights in this country by years by making guns that did very little of note except look sinister, carry cringe-worthy aggressive names and draw too much of the wrong kinds of attention.
Quite frankly the street sweeper was a poor shotgun, a Remington 870 Wingmaster is more dangerous and more lethal in the wrong hands, but: it looked dangerous (frankly to a liberal it looked like a grenade launcher), it carried a name that implied it was for criminal use, it was based on a South African design which conjured up mental images of being used for oppression and connections with apartheid, and the company had terrible PR.
Same with their Ingram clones. Take a gun that's widely pictured in the media when it's used by south American drug cartels and paramilitary death squads, that's infamous for use in drive-by shootings, and make a semi-auto clone of it in all black. Genius move given the political climate of the early 90s...
Cobray: what target market!?
I could see how someone with -5 knowledge in firearms might think you could modify it into a blow forward automatic shotgun.
Kevin Sullivan seriously I can't even begin with how stupid that is. it feeds and ejects through the same feeding tube.. automatically.. somehow
Clinton Sypherd
Yes, and we have a generation of morons who think combat is like Call of Duty.
You should have seen the generations in the 1910s, they thought combat would be fun and barely anyone would die.
Tevo77777
Yes, back before unrestricted warfare. But that wasn't the common soldier, that was the General Staff, for the most part. Leaders in the 20th century were often intellectually disconnected from reality.
*****
All warfare was unrestricted back then, dumbass.
People used to rape and enslave their victims.
Conscription was the norm in Europe after Napoleon, the public during the American Civil-War wanted to watch the combat while eating lunch.
That looks like the sort of thing a prisoner trying to escape prison would be trying to make in secret.
I think I've figured out where Royal Nonesuch worked before starting youtube.
lol
Hahahaha
he is a wild one. I like his 12 gauge arrows.
Torres75 I saw that shit. He is obviously unfamiliar with black powder; it would need about four times the barrel length to get into a useful velocity range. On top of the terrifying ignition method- would using an inline muzzleloader 209 primer system be too difficult, or just not showy enough?
SuperSmith_ I watch Royal Nonesuch but his homemade weapons are really getting lame. He has so much opportunities because he knows mark serbu, but won't come up with a cool/unique idea for a firearm.
I have a feeling the guys at Cobray were more concerned with whether they could do it that they didn't stop to think about whether they should do it.
Ha! I see what ya did there! ;)
Zarke void LOL! As a huge movie buff, I love when people integrate movie quotes into everyday speech/text. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside ;)
It was the 80s. Snort a line and then design.
It looks like a simple partisan weapon, like the concept of US Liberator of WW2 / Deer gun if the Vietnam War era. Slam fire shotgun, as this is like the Richardson Industries M5 Philippine guerrilla gun in covert warfare employment concept. The single point sling attachment for a loop sling aids carry under a coat. A great video, thank you, Greg
Design by Homer J Simpson...
You mean like the reliability aspect of kel-Tec guns? (Other than the rdb)
+Baker Tankersley Keltecs don't have reliability problems if you don't have the wrist strength of a newborn baby. I had a half dozen of their pistols... never had one with a problem.
+Ｈｅａｖｅｎ Ｓｍｉｌｅ FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! (Remember the car he designed?)
Destruxx I'm talking about the rdb and the ksg,
Teodor Georgiev oh the bubble windows
Wow...what a completely usless waste of perfectly good steel!
Looks like some Mad Max type deal.
looks like a blaster prop from star wars
Which itself is modelled off the Sterling Submachine gun
FinnTheHuman that was only the stormtrooper blaster, everything else in the O.T. was pretty much WWII weaponry, well save for one blaster that was a modified AR-15
I'm pretty sure the blaster props are a more effective weapon though.
thechickenwhosits probably
@@jasonarmstrong5750 The Rebel pistols from the beginning of Episode 4 were based off Sterlings as well. The props were later upgraded for Episode 5 to include a "magazine", but the weapon only has 2 seconds of screentime so its not noticeable unless you were specifically looking for it.
The Polish citizens have built better weapons in Getho of Warsaw !
The “ladies home companion”. Are you sure that was a firearm? Sounds like something to release “stress” if you get my meaning.
No, Ian has a video on one...
@@carlbloomquist708 it’s a joke.
The designer of this gun for sure wasn't John Browning! Looks like something homebuilt.
cristiandemirel1918 I bet Cobray had one designer, a drunk guy in his own garage, building guns.
"Marky Mark" Markus Gaming/LurkingFan4
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cristiandemirel1918 It's actually probably kind of accurate to what the staff of Cobray was.
***** Wow, that's... Sad...
HAH, WHO AM I KIDDING, FUCK COBRAY
+cristiandemirel1918 I know right? It looks like a Sten, and those things were designed to be buildable out of basic machine shop parts.
When you mentioned this gun was impractical, I could barely imagine what you were talking about. Impractical is actually the nicest thing you could say.
A single shot, swing open shotgun is so much more practical it's not even fair.
So would this be a novelty now? Or is it auctioning for $12.95?
Is it just me or did the people at Cobray have no idea how to design and assemble firearms?
Its just you.
@@syfr no, no... he has a point
"they give you one sling swivel and one sight" lmfao! 😃. What a terrible design lol.
Got to be a lightweight breaching tool.
Does no one realize tht hes possibly jus unaware of the fact tht the rear sling swivel "IS" the rear sight!?🤔💡😧😳🤯
@@shmopboi93 To be honest, having any sights at all on a slam fire shotgun seems kinda pointless
It's like something you'd expect to see before people really figured out breech loading, but made in 1980s chic style.
I can't think of a single niche in the firearms market that any Cobray product would fill.
+Anon Nymous My only thought was for shooting snakes or groundhogs or something... If it were cheap enough.
I bought a nice, used 870 Express Magnum for $110. So, yeah, there's much better guns at the same price point.
I would actually love a ladies home defense. Turning it into a .45-70 semi-auto carbine would be incredible.
I find all the negative comments about Cobray amusing. I have one of their double barreled derringer style pistols in 45/410 and love it .Perfect home defense weapon; cheap,simple and easy to operate. Not everyone can afford a Colt.
@@jamesbfaber7770 Then get a surplus makarov. All of their products I know of are trash.
This is by far the funniest Forgotten Weapons video that I've watched yet.
May be my lack of sleep, but I laughed out loud at "they gave you one sling swivel and one sight" 7:45
Maybe you can fix the swivel in upright position and use it as rear sight.
U cannot seriously expect a PAIR of both for just 90$ !!! And it is still more practical than having saved money by building in half a barrel or half a grip...
I mean, most hunting shotguns I’ve seen just have the one bead near the muzzle. They have an actual decent sight radius and your more putting the centre of your pattern over the target, though. Not trying to pick off a dear’s lungs or anything, eh? Slug guns got scope mounts for that.
Sold for $1,265 (with two other long guns).
wow someone got a great deal on 2 $750 guns
So what I'm seeing is 2 pipes and a nail.
I think Cobrey would have been an interesting company to work for
Cocaine was probably involved in a lot of their decisions.
Quite interesting video. Not that I know much about guns, but there are a few designs for "home-made" shotguns that are based on a fixed firing pin and tubes sliding inside each other. Basically, two moving parts. This Cobray seems to take this idea and develops it into a "commercial" (kind of...) shotgun.
Weapons like this _still do_ have a purpose (sort of). Me and a few buddies are working on a graphic novel, and we feature quite a few irregular forces (partisan fighters and whatnot) who arm themselves with crude, hastily-made weapons - essentially just spare parts and scrap metal. While obviously not as effective as they could be, the design mentality is, "Buckshot is buckshot. It doesn't matter if it's fired from a scrap-metal tube or a military-grade shotgun, you _will_ take cover if it's pointing your way."
We also take a lot of inspiration from weapons such as the *Blyskawica*, in keeping with the theme of a revolution/uprising.
The Terminator in particular also has something of a rustic charm to it, and it wouldn't look out of place in a post-apocalyptic setting. When civilization crumbles the rugged shine, and being able to manufacture your own weapons is an asset that's best not wasted (even if said weapons aren't of the highest quality).
If NERF made shotguns
Flynn Asher NERF has way better engineering than this...
Nerf are more reliable and accurate, and way more deadly
So it's basically a pipe with a handle...
That's slamfire
***** Wow... it actually can get worse :P
Reckon that'd be right at home as a prop in some post-apocalyptic film has that kinda rough home made quality to it
It's a shame this thing is so bad, in my opinion the whole "steel tube with a grip welded on" aesthetic is pretty nice for firearms.
It’s kinda going for like a Stirling SMG look, isn’t it? Barrel shroud built into the tube stock body, folding shoulder stock, and simple little pistol grip.
That gun is so simple I could probably recreate one in my basement.
And yet you'd be much better off recreating another gun because this one is unnecessarily complicated. Cheaply/lazily designed does not mean not-complicated.
TheAtmosfear7 Then care to explain to me how it is complicated. It has such few parts, I dont see how it could be complicated in the least.
fireonthemountain1776 It may have few parts, but for what it does it actually has many more than needed. You can make essentially the same thing with a nail and two pieces of steel tubing.
It is a complicated slam fire shotgun. You can make a less complicated slam fire shotgun with $25 and a trip to the hardware store. Two tips. 3/4 inch pipe is the perfect size for 12ga, and 1 inch is the perfect receiver size.
fireonthemountain1776 Do you see the way it operates? Now compare it to a double barrel shotgun for example and you'll see it's way to slow, fires only once at a time, and that's what complicated about it. Notice I never said the weapon was *COMPLEX*, because really it's not, but it's overly elaborate (in the wrong way), impractical and cumbersome.
Lots of comments saying it's junk but it looks like a nice ranch gun. Sturdy, relatively compact and single shot for ease. Load as you go.
What an ugly and unnecessarily complicated gun. Cobray tried and failed to reinvent the wheel with this thing.
how is it unnecessarily complicated? it is very simple.
michael johnson
It's basically an over complicated single shot slam fire shotgun (which can easily be made from a couple of heavy water pipes, an end cap of similar heaviness, and a heavy tack/nail as the firing pin).
michael johnson
Simpler than the usual break-open single shot shot gun? No.
Alfonso Navarro They're both fairly simple designs. The real difference is in the ease of operation. A break action is easy to use whereas this one is very clumsy.
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You can pick up a break open H&R or. Stevens at a garage sale for around $90...
Would that be too boring?
Interesting video, and given the history of SWD/Cobray I suspect the Terminator was designed largely to send ATF a big FU over the open bolt ruling. I always had the impression the owners ran Cobray with a "What would Larry Flynt Do?" attitude. :-P
"Despite the method of construction, I think they're actually totally safe"
What a ringing endorsement!
I'd really love to see interviews with the "engineers" behind these classic bads, but I suspect that would be a little humiliating. It's a shame, since it would be fun to hear about what they were going for when doing the initial design.
During the first two seconds of the intro, Ian's firing of the machine gun sinks up perfectly, or at least somewhat well, with the intro music
I guess being the worlds most impractical shotty it doesn't really need a sling nor sights. It would never be taken into battle, wouldn't be a good hunting weapon. Just a big metal WTF.
Its amazing how Ian doesnt look like he's aged a day.
That thing looks like a caulk gun.
Lazy
ULTRA-MEGA-POWER-HILTI-2000
I thoroughly enjoy all the improvised modified fireams to be found online, and this cobray terminator belongs alongside all the wonderful pipe shotguns & zipguns🔫
When they first came out, I bought one, $140 at a gun show, I was young, it was fun, it never missed a beat, I sold it, a few years later I bought another one used off of a friend, same deal, no issues. Ended up selling it, fast forward 30 years a friend of mine showed me one that he picked up, I traded something of a bit more value than the
terminator, but nostalgia was telling me to do so. All in all, it is a fun novelty, sad that Ian reviewed one that had firing issues. Yes, they are awkward,impractical, but having owned a few, they are fun if you have to fortitude to withstand a bit of recoil. :)
having watched a couple of his video's about Cobray weapons, I feel like the company existed as a false flag operation to keep the ATF busy, and provide patently ridiculous weapons for them to ban/regulate, thereby allowing other, more rational guns to pass through as ATF regulators would think "At least its not like that damn Cobray"
Much like movie makers do with the MPAA, by filming and submitting scenes that are entirely outrageous, that they will then cut from the film thereby getting the desired rating on the rest of the film.
"Questioningly illegal, and thoroughly impractical..."
Ian I thank you for putting those words together into a sentence because that combination of letters I music to my ears.
I love my Cobray Terminator. It was the first shotgun I ever had. I inherited it from my dad cos it was just a very simple single shot to get me started. I've had hours of fun with mine and hope to have many more. Rose tinted glasses maybe, but they are interesting, durable and don't deserve such a bad rep. Good videos tho'...
How is the additional recoil from the barrel coming backwards???
Ya just got me here finally watching this after Scott got his hands on one. Oh and anyone else see this a commercial grade Richardson Guerrilla Gun?
Hey Ian, are you thinking of making a "Thankfully forgotten weapons" playlist? I'd really love one.
I miss this intro. It fits really well and i think every video should have it.
Design by Homer Simpson....
Not nearly complicated and self-contradicting enough....
King Commando Doh
That’s one fine looking shotgun.
WHY DOESNT MINE LOOK LIKE THAT?
It actually smells of Gordon Ingram.
"Those holes are speed holes, they make the gun fire faster"
"'Scuse me boss, gonna go toss these tubing remnants in the scrap pile."
"Wait! Come back with those, I've got an idea..."
And this was supposed to appeal to who?
The discerning young man with $100, baggy sweatpants, and a desire to put a 12 gauge slug through basketball jerseys of a different color than his own before throwing the $100 shotgun in a dumpster.
NikovK Makes sense...
Shot*
***** It was a joke about it being a shitty single shot gun.
Drug dealers?
No sir, Your Honor. I was not carrying a gun. It's a Cobray!
The Cobray Terminator, as in only a Terminator would be able to use one effectively.
And even then, hed use it as a club
I love how you never hesitate to shit on a bad gun. Keep it up.
its like a spring loaded slamfire shotgun simple and I bet it would have sold more with a different stock
And a lower price. It cost at least as much as a good quality single shot from H&R at the same time.
Jesse Sisolack its something id buy more as a curiosity
As neat as this thing looks there's guns out there that are both cool looking and actually good at their jobs.
I don't know why I think that is cool..........looks like its made out of spare parts.
The Star Wars prop department would have a wonderful time with a box of Cobray Terminators. This is, incidentally, the only context in which a wonderful time could be had with a box of Cobray Terminators.
Official slogan of Cobray: "The worst (insert name of weapon type) ever made!"
shot one of these when I was a kid, my dad collected crazy stuff like this and the KG9 and Uzi's had street sweepers and other stuff like this in the 80's/90's... was a fun time before 94 ban. I remember the garage being full of Full Auto Uzi's right after the ban and my mom and he arguing about the mortgage he took out on the house to buy them, now he sells one a year to support them as a part of his retirement.
Looks like a sten....I don't why they only did one shot....Why not have a magazine for it? If Cobray made it a little bigger and with a magazine, it would probably be an alright shotgun (and replace the stock with a fixed one).
greg Bilotta because the bolt didnt allow for repeated action, it just locks once fired and you need to cycle it manually before loading the next round.
greg Bilotta yes that is a good idea. People just like to hate. Gun history is important, just like other engineering. We learn what works
So, basically Cobray took a fucking Sten gun, slapped an FAL pistol grip on it, added a 1970s Rhodesian style retracting stock on it and made it a single shot, breech loading shotgun... UGGGGHHHH *face palm*
LOL. Never heard of this thing before so im looking at the stills with the impression" It looks like a 12 gauge STEN...Cool" and then I watched the video and I'm like why does this gun need to exist? LOL. It does make me wander if the thing fires from an open barrel, that in it self is just weird. What retains the shell in the chamber?
You pretty much described throughout the video LOL. Yeah I'm curious about how the shell stays too.
The shell stays in just by friction. In short, if you aim upwards, your shell could fall out before you fire.
Jesse Sisolack So hope no ones trying to kill you from above
***** No, Let's hope you don't get caught in a situation where you need to defend yourself and all you have is this Lol.
***** Hey at least you could kill them by throwing it ;)
A break action is even simpler, easier to manufacture, better to shoot, faster to operate. I like how Cobray was willing to try new things though, even if they only had bad ideas. Did they make any decent guns?
I'm sorry dude....that thing is cool as hell.
Many people suggest that one should avoid firearm with aggressive names, lest some anti-gun DA uses that against you in front of a know-nothing jury(does happen). I worked for a security company that used K-9s, concerned about lawsuits all our dogs had soft names (on paper anyhow) like Alice, Fluffy, and Snuggles. Alice was my dog, the only one I can recall where the official name and the working name were the same.
Could be the result of a homosexual relationship between a Hino-Komura pistol and a M3 Grease Gun.
Sold exclusively at your local 7 eleven and with each purchase you get a complementary crack pipe
What a horribly disgusting spawn of a weapon this is. Absolutely repulsive in every aspect except for the safety. I'd love to see more Cobray items. Honestly, this was like watching brain surgery. You don't want to watch but you can't look away!
That has got to be one of the most impractical firearms ever produced.
Just curious...how much did this sell for at auction?
$1,265 sold
3guns/ total $1265. M1-Carbines go for that or more. so they brought down the price of this lot
The prices of these shotguns are crazy nowadays. Trust me, If I find one, I'm defiantly getting it for the collection.
What did this sell for? Just curious what someone would pay for this today
+Motorcycle Addict I'm wondering the same myself, and I would not mind owning one if I could find one cheap, as it would make a last defense weapon, or scare the crap out of someone breaking into your house at nice because it looks more like a machine gun then a shot gun.
1000 bucks, with two other guns
Looks like a something you would expect to be made by a hobbyist and not something commercial.
interestingly stupid design.
great for cheapness
bad for everything else
I watched Ian's rant about collectible guns that were rebranded with names that have no historical validity, like P-38s sold as the Gray Ghost. This gun represents my biggest pet peeve, guns, and other objects, that are given names drawn from pop culture to make them sound "badass". Names like Ninja and Samurai slapped on products never used by either of these two groups, or a name like raptor pulled from a movie like Jurassic Park