The 1619 Project - Slavery and the American Revolution: A Historical Dialogue
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- Was the American Revolution a fight to secure freedom for all or a fight to preserve bondage for some? Almost since the moment the first bullets flew, arguments about the causes of the Revolution have proliferated. Join us as we search for answers, and explore the complex and contentious ways that American historians have built on the work of their predecessors, revising and clarifying the story of our nation's past.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” #1984Project.
BRAVO
Is that a critique or praise of this nonsense? Because it can be construed as either.
_INTERESTING POINTS:_
1) *"The Internal Enemy"* argument for maintaining Enslavement @ 32:55 to 34:00
2) The *Moderator* attempts several times to get the Historians to discuss the specific impact Enslavement had on causing or contributing to the Revolutionary War
@ 35:10
@ 39:40
@ 48:05
@ 58:44
@ 1:05:00
@ 1:06:49
@ 1:09:22
@ 1:15:47
@ 1:27:26
@ 1:32:48
3) *Lord Dunmore's Proclamation.*
Discussed -
@ 36:12
@ 1:02:51
4) *Somerset Decision.*
Discussed -
@ 40:05
@ 1:25:22
5) *Hypocrisy between Freedom & Enslavement.*
@ 54:36 to 57:27
@ 1:06:11 to 1:06:48
@ 1:07:24 to 1:07:44
@ 1:09:50 to 1:10:25 *
@ 1:16:50 to 1:17:36
@ 1:19:20 to 1:20:16
@ 1:32:52 to 1:34:38
*References.*
• "Arming Slaves" @ 36:32 to 37:17
www.amazon.com/dp/0300109008/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_YDgzEbN990MX1
• Gen. Carrollton's Book of Negroes @ 45:43 , 1:35:15
www.amazon.com/dp/B00SYCFLJG/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_lGgzEbVDVF35V
• "American Slavery, American Freedom" @ 50:14
www.amazon.com/dp/039332494X/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_eSgzEbY2WPA30
• "The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano"
www.amazon.com/dp/0142437166/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_vTgzEbNMG3FV3
Somerset 39:25
Nice summary!
Really recommend people read more on Gerald Horne, the elderly black gentleman on the panel.
The majority of comments warm my heart. It’s so good to see so many people know better.
You mean have an 8th grade education?
I believe our present attitude in the US should be based upon slavery & all other negative things that have been committed by people of the past. Historical people who have a similar appearance to modern-day oppressors (white people) are the root cause of every dark- skinned persons problems today & should be treated as such. Anyone who feels oppressed in the US today, whether it be financially, or just that you look different than the perceived privleged people around you, should show it in your everyday interactions with them. Remember, belligerence & resentment are the cure to racism. One must keep it real & come correct as a teacher in elemetary schools today as well. The kids in the classroom with lighter skin should feel the shame of the actions of historical figures, regardless where those kids' ancestors came from.
Dafuq?
@@bobshenatzky5576 Aha; someone else who understands satire.
This is great. I was born in Virginia, educated in Virginia, and live now in Pennsylvania. Hearing this discussion explains so much about the prospective I have observed in the history of the places I lived. The Moravians in PA, the stories of native Americans as slaves, and the language of the Richmond community about the history of the State of Virginia. Thank you all.🙏🏽
Shanti Saks : Ancient-American History & Style Are you saying I am a shill? I do not know these people. Why do you say I do? You don’t know me?
@@Zorboraf Damn anglo saxons trying to colonize every party of the world
Is your wife's boyfriend a black guy? He treats you bad doesn't he?
Slavery has existed since the beginning of mankind and has affected every race and culture. Native Americans had slaves, yet they have managed to become romanticized. There were black slave owners in America from the 1600's through the civil war. Some of those black slave owners on the eve of the civil war pledged loyalty to the south. Africa had been rife with slavery, you should read up on that one. And slavery still exits in modern times. You benefit from modern day slavery, technology, textiles, food ect. Oh the hypocrisy.
You are correct. This was a great discussion and it is a very important part of history. Ots very important to have the conversation about the cruelty handed down on the native Americans. But, we have to not forget, it was a different time. What you brought up in your comment about native Americans having slaves is a great point, and they were just as cruel as the white people. Its an important discussion but it is history, the actions of then do not affect us personally today.
What evidence?
Irrelevant nonsense. The subject is American History.
Just started to listen: Is anyone on this panel even a bit skeptical about the 1619 Project? I’ve sought in vain for a forum where NHJ squares off against an opposing thinker.
This was a thoughtful and well-moderated discussion by five excellent scholars on an issue of great importance. Thank you for hosting and sharing!
Karen Wulf's intro comments begin at 19:55.
The actual panel discussion begins, at 27:52.
Thank you!
The panelists are not listed in the accompanying material here. No idea why. They are Gerald Horne, Alan Taylor, Annette Gordon-Reed, Eliga Gould. You can skip the first half hour or so. Nothing substantive starts until 27:28.
OMG! I love continuing studies like this on any subject. Thanks for sharing. And yes I am taking notes.
Look up "Thomas Sowell Founding Fathers." On TH-cam..
1619 project may have had good intentions..but just filled with false facts.
It is insulting to those who suffered through slavery...to give them a fictional history...for modern political and economic power grabs.
@@claudeyaz I take notes and then do my own research per what I did with my Ph.D. There are a lot of discoveries from different angles out there yet to be found. The 1619 Project is one place to start the conversation and I am thankful for each contributor including you. Thanks for sharing.
I believe our present attitude in the US should be based upon slavery & all other negative things that have been committed by people of the past. Historical people who have a similar appearance to modern-day oppressors (white people) are the root cause of every dark- skinned persons problems today & should be treated as such. Anyone who feels oppressed in the US today, whether it be financially, or just that you look different than the perceived privleged people around you, should show it in your everyday interactions with them. Remember, belligerence & resentment are the cure to racism. One must keep it real & come correct as a teacher in elemetary schools today as well. The kids in the classroom with lighter skin should feel the shame of the actions of historical figures, regardless where those kids' ancestors came from.
@@bobshenatzky5576 Thank you for your thoughts.
@@bobshenatzky5576 brilliantly put.
Lmao.but some will buy it lol
Future growth will continue to make the best of the economy and you can see the same result of the economy and our economy
Such a shame that some genuinely interesting historical analysis was tainted by such politically motivated confection. The lens of race-theory is a distorted one.
I agree that it would be more interesting if it were all presented as historical fact. I lost interest in any discussion once it loses direction.
@@donnawoods8039 which part wasnt facts ?
your comment is bizarre. this was a panel to discuss the revolution and slavery. and they did. they were giving factual info throughout the entire time or they trying to help frame it for a the common person. this is a discussion made up of humans, not a reading of their research papers. go read them if you want something more educational
Look up "Thomas Sowell Founding Fathers." On TH-cam..
1619 project may have had good intentions..but just filled with false facts.
It is insulting to those who suffered through slavery...to give them a fictional history...for modern political and economic power grabs.
@@Afrometa most of it wasn't facts
Why not edit out the first 15 minutes of this video? Good to have an academic discussion on history instead of knee-jerk pseudo analysis.
History that you all bend and twist.
We cannot heal without the truth.
Starts at 14:36 you're welcome
I'll never understand why people who claim they aren't colonizers seem to defend colonialism the most.
"Colonialism" LOL
@@jcrew102 how tf do you create colonies without colonizing? You've definitely lost me.
@@jcrew102you would be correct if Native Americans weren't already here. Also the States were literally called the 13 colonies.
Race-baiting BS !
Won't play🤦 how can I argue for something I only know about?
I love learning and researching what I have learned! It’s beautiful to have this. I am Sicilian and most of us are Italian, African and Arab.. I’ve are looked down at by Italians and are definitely bonded as Sicilians.. I am embracing all of myself and my DNA! This explains so much of my internal struggle #the1619project
Cool - black people hate you.
Such important subjects deserve respect, the best thing we can do is provide the truth. I'm afraid this 'project' exists to misinform people, to re-shape how children think of the world through what are effectively lies and decontextualised information. This project exemplifies the 'weaponising of false narratives' to achieve social objectives.
You've described it perfectly.
Agreed
That's a pretty broad statement. Are you arguing that Jefferson didn't view slaves as a potential enemy, or that lumber mills in New Hampshire didn't have an economic interest in selling barrel staves to plantations in the Caribbean? What, specifica;;y, is the "false narrative" ?
John Yarbrough no, actual historians (including one who worked on the project) are arguing that this is basically an inaccurate rewrite of history to fit an agenda.
@@besseljm1 I just found this. What did they day thst was false?
Your panel behaves as if their ideology is that of all! This is a massive country that is still evolving! No you are incorrect by utilizing only a few Famikies history! Shame upon you!
Auslane/ Absolom
The Ire w where enslaved by England for centuries!
I found this discussion reasonable and enlightening. I was not aware before this 1619 controversy arose of the alleged significance of the Dunmore Proclamation. However, upon considering its specific terms, it seems a poor foundation upon which to assert a claim that a primary cause of the American Revolution was the protection of slavery. For instance, Dunmore is himself a slaveholder - and he is only offering to liberate the slaves of those colonists who side with the patriot cause; he is completely willing to enslave in perpetuity any man or woman belonging to a colonist who remains loyal to Britain. If the protection of one's 'property' is the primary motivation behind a decision to join or reject the patriot cause, then the surer course must be - based on Dunmore's Proclamation, as explained by one of the historians on this panel that evening - to remain loyal to Britain.
You obviously did not understamd the significance of the SOMERSET CASE dummy! It is amusing to see white White Americans try to deny your shameful history! LOL
@@Playthellgb42 But the Somersett decision only freed slaves within the British homeland. What does have to do with the American colonies?
I don't think it was that significant. It was just an attempt by the British to disrupt and defeat the rebellion. Like you say, Dunmore himself had slaves and his intent was not to be an abolishnist. This is just one of many reasons the Project 1619 arguments on the topic fall apart quickly.
Experts
The "no such thing as racism anymore", the Alt Right, "I hate Identity Politics" crowd, are shitting in their pants due to the 1619 Project. And I say, I love it!
They don't want you or the world to know your history.
@@Blueberry40 - It's actually "our" history, being as none of us were, ya know, actually alive to experience it or influence it. Do you really feel connected to people you didn't even know just because of melanin content? This makes no sense. I'm a black man and don't give a damn about those people. They are dead. I'm alive. Life is great. You should trying living it sometime. White people, like all people, are mostly friendly and kind-natured. Go figure!!!!
@@TheChance1991 A friend of mine from Liberia told me when he moved to American, all his friends were down on him because he was going to live in a country where "they enslaved blacks." He responded "what difference does that make? I can't hold an entire nation responsible for something that happened in their history?"
@@donnawoods8039 - Sounds like a very smart and level-headed friend, Donna.
we have first hand written letters and proclamations by those who founded this country as to what they were thinking. can't rely on that information! better yet, lets put together a hollow patchwork of anecdotes and hearsay and coulda/shoulda/woulda to determine what really happened. and why 1619? slavery was practiced by most of the Indian tribes in America for thousands of years prior to 1619...but that does not fit the narrative
Yes
It makes no sense?
clearly everyone in the comments are historians. These topics always bring the acists out
Whose History are you utilizing
The Ire/ Scotia will never bend to a King or Queen!
Shine Bright!
MWM@
No you are incorrect!
The children of the slave masters are so triggered, when you talk about slavery. I wondered why? Could it be that the myth they created about themselves is challenged by this stories? When they are confronted history that contradict their mythology, they instantly go red and start whinning. These are the same people that will tell other people that they are acting victims.
First, the children of slave masters are not alive. Let's just get that straight. Second, Kamala Harris isn't even a child of a slave master, though slave owners are some of her ancestors. Yet she is considered a minority. Finally, many of us (myself included), are of mixed race backgrounds. Mine is American Indian and my people were murdered or sent to reservations. But I'm not here whining about 1619 because someone generations ago was mistreated by someone who nobody living today knows and may not even related to because bloodlines peter out. People have got to move on...smh.
And who fought the wars the Ire/ Scotia
Your numbers remove all the indentured beings
Just clicked on here and I will say in my opinion as a white guy, if you could call me that because of skin color, Annette Gordan-Reed depending on what audience she has to say, placate to, has been fair that Jefferson is too important to ever forget the stuff he had done. Can't say that for Nikole Hanna-Jones.
WELL SHE CERTAINLY DID NOT RAPE A MINOR, HAVE SEVEN KIDS WITH THEM ALL OF WHOM REMAINED HER SLAVES, NOR ENSLAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED OTHER HUMANS!!! NO SHE HAS COMMITTED NO SUCH ATROCITIES AS THAT RACIST HYPOCRITE!!!! I BET YOU ARE A TRUMPANZEE WHO THINKS DON THA CON WON THE ELECTION BY A "LANDSLIDE!" LOL
Kudos to Alan Taylor for bringing up Thomas Jeremiah. Karin Wulf did an excellent job at moderating.
Kudos to you for being black!
i find this helpful in the history of the revolutionary time. I am also find this project the most opening awareness of how more history there is in the revolutionary time. I am now in a class at mary baldwin university studying sociology of racism and I am listening to this discussion. And there is just the tip of the ice because I live in Charlottesville va in a extream wondering and experience the continuing effects of the revolutionary time.
1619 Project is mostly trash lies, distortions intentional omission of easily verifyable facts for the political agenda of Marxist Socialist seeking more power. Teach a generation to hate the founding, hate the Constitution, hate the system of checks and balances and separation of powers that we have so Marxist Socialist Commiecrats can steal power and wealth for themselves while as in true Marxist Socialist grifts the only ones who get wealthy are themselves while giving out crumbs to the serfs they just created. Just like BLM got rich and helped not a single family they fund raised off of. Sociology is Psuedo science and Marxist breeding ground. Sociology historically adheres to no scientific standards. Marxism is completely immoral.
Good luck
When you get to gender studies. I bet they will leave out John Money and Kinsey and what they did. Money a p e d o abused twins. He told the parents gender is a social construct castrate the boy after a botch procedure happened and raise him as a girl although Money claimed success, after taking pictures of the twins he encouraged to inappropriately touch each other, the twin being lied to and told he was a girl who kept fighting this knowing it wasn't true, he later committed suicide. Gender theory is trash and hurting kids.
Define Slavery I/ We are all enslaved
Ire/ Scotia
Who sold the African slaves
Seek your reparations from New England
What we should do is teach the 1865 project. That's where the United States pays to send the decedents of slaves back to Africa.
That would be awesome if it actually happened.. they talked about it but never did it
An apparently little known fact is that most slaves were shipped across the Atlantic were sent to the Caribbean and Brazil. 4-5 million to Brazil and 4-5 million to the Caribbean. America only received about 500,000. Also, it's important to note that Americans were not coordinating that trade as much as they were importing. That was done by Europeans, including France, Great Britain, Portugal and Spain, both before and after the Revolution. Portugal was the one most responsible for it, not Great Britain. Yet we don't hear about that much do we? Also, America and Great Britain both banned the transatlantic slave trade around 1807. Britain did that just one year in advance of America doing it. We don't hear about that either, do we? Also, the Revolutionary War was not about liberty or slavery. It was about control and money. Nobody in America expected slavery to be banned by Great Britain because they continued to ship slaves to America during and AFTER the Revolution. They also didn't ban slavery themselves until 62 years after the American Revolution. I realize people want to attach the legacy of slavery to the root of the founding and essentially make it central to the nation's founding, but that's simply not an accurate representation. The fact is, slavey went on for decades in Europe after the American Revolution. Let's try to represent history accurately and not with an agenda.
Pioneering families involved the Woman Equally
You believe the Torrey’s left
Then you must look at industrialized slavery in the North
It starts at 14:38
At the time of the declaration of Independence, how many slaveholders were there, and how many whites or other freemen who were not slaveholders, but simple farmers, workers or crafts people? The slaveholders had to come up with something that went beyond their base, if they wanted to get anything done. Isn't the declaration written to appeal to the entire white population, so they would support the independence from the English crone? Some anti-colonial document that was only written for the benefit of the slave owners could never found much support outside their class, also given that there was already then a turn towards condemning slavery as evil, simply based on enlightenment ideal? Other whites who were not slave holders would otherwise not support independence from England. In retrospect the whole document was a historical compromise, but nevertheless the most "progressive" document that could be possible at the time. Compare this how we think about the ideas of the ancient Greek democracy: That was only for the ruling class in Athens, not for most of the plebs and certainly not for the slaves in that society. It was "democracy" for a ruling minority (probably less than 30 percent of the population). Nevertheless we hold ancient Greece in high esteem as origin of the ideas of democracy. It's simply that we can't redefine all of history as pure evil. It sounds bad of course, but a democracy for the slaveholder society has more appeal than a slave holder society that is run by warlords.
NYT's is no longer completely onboard with 1619 project.
What historiagraphy is going to replace it? It's not exactly flattering to be known as the nation founded by slave holders who wanted to be free.
Who and what qualifies these re cord hunters
It’s the parasitic Paradigm of the inquisition
Compare the rate of death in the Industrialized Slavery in the North Vs The Southern Kinetic enslavement!
The American Revolution never ended! It’s underway now!
Auslane Absolom
1638 AD NC VC Re Colonization!
You only have a portion of the Famikies involved. You act as if three men created history!the Re Colonization began in the 1300s
Otis
Coming to a government school near you. Everyone must submit to re-education and attend anti-racist classes. Then it will be all better.
Just when did your dna arrive in NA!
@40:10 dude, just answer the question, omg.
The moderator is overbearing
📙💯
Hahahaha 🤣 get over your infiriority complex you were never a slave
Has more flaws then a can of worms labeled as spam.
Another fractured fairytale.
British Whaaat!
Peer-reviewed 20:55 but still the NYT had to issue a correction to the 1619 nine days after this video was posted. shame
This is a discussion that was streamed live, not a publication or presentation of research that's been reviewed by colleagues and anonymous reviewers. In give and take, some generalizations may be too broad or a statement misquoted or sourced. The fact that NYT issued a correction shows that there was review. Peer review process has the goal of eliminating errors before publication. That doesn't mean that goal will always be achieved.
A correction of 2 words. Really?
So what ? You do realize that correcting errata when found is not only a sign of integrity but also happens in academic research all the time ?
Ignorant and misinformation.
Well there are some historical names I would like to learn more about. I'll listen to anything to get more resources to research.
Not that it will ever matter; but there is a serious rebuttal to all this propaganda...the 1620 project. Takes this political mis-information apart piece by piece, yes, historically, politically & economically.
Which part is propaganda? And If you say all of it .. give me one example ? And propaganda doesn't mean something isn't true
Which part is political?
Domestic Propaganda
Misinformation
Jake Silverstein and a black woman channeling Bozo the Clown? Could they pick anyone more biased against the US to host this event?
History 1619 in America
Professor Moore
John Lawrence slave trader
Dudmoore - Virginia Governor came to us.1619 smallpox soldiers
Most of patrons were north and most salves were in south.
Slaves were south
Absolutely shameful
1:35:10 start. Sloppy edit. Pretty much like the 1619 Project. Where’s the show notes? Panelist info in the details? Interesting that if you search YT ‘Gordon Wood’ this comes up. So you managed to embed the tag, but he’s not even mentioned. So, while the point of the panels is a basic discussion of historiography (the dirty word) you couldn’t follow up with the twits over at vid prod and follow best practices.
Yeah. The Pulitzer Prize Winner often is edited sloppily. Did you even read 1619? Such an ignorant comment.
@@JB-uv4hm Cupcake?
@@caliman99 and if you’d have read it you’d know the author opened herself up to a ton of criticism because of many unforced errors. Unfortunately, the editors didn’t do their job. Thus you have this panel discussion to defend it. If they’d have had Taylor and AGR vet it first, you wouldn’t have had the criticism. As far as the PP, hey two winners of it ripped 1619.
@@JB-uv4hm A year later that's the best you can do? I ask again if you have read it. Focusing on a few minor quibbles Instead of the 99% of the project that was fresh, comprehensive and accurate, is the tactic of those who don't want to consider the truth of America's past. Or present for that matter. Considering the pains our founding fathers took to ensure that government was open and responsive to criticism, I have no doubt many of them would be in favor of accurate history in classrooms if they were alive today. They would definitely disapprove of the twisted version of "patriotism" practiced by the flag waving, flag wearing 'Murica! crowd... If you aren't one of those, I apologize to you or them, whoever is less evil.
@@caliman99 i’m not. Unforced errors on the author and editors is/was my point and not explained very well in the original comment. I’ve read it and watched/listened to most all of the debates and rebuttals. All one had to do was lean hard into recent scholarship on Somerset and ref Taylor. What amazes is the naivety that they didn’t realize any opening would be exploited. Unfortunately, they allowed 1619 to become a hammer for the Right as more ‘woke’ academic bs. When you can line up McPherson, Woods and Wilentz you have more than minor quibbles.
Slavery rocks
35:35 what a GOAT
These people are frauds.
Frist hand documents? Not based in the truth. Shame on you.Children deserve the truth.