EAST GERMANIC: GOTHIC & VANDALIC
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As a goth who got arrested for vandalism, I call this place home
Oh my god 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you bro, you made my day!!
lmao
May the Church bless you 🤞
Crazy, all we need now is Vandal arrested for being Goth. But only the fashion police would be able to arrest them for that. 😆 🤣 😆
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Looks like “suaswē” in Vandalic (and therefore “swē” in Gothic as well) match that “swa swa” in Old English.
I noticed that too
So so
good observation
Indeed an interesting phenomenon, and weird that it is extinct in modern Germanic.
@@raymondwalters2723 in English “swā” became modern “so” I believe :)
This channel provides these amazing videos! It is paradoxical that Goths and Vandals changed Europe forever, while their languages stopped being spoken long ago.
They changed Europe SO hard that actually mixed with many other societies, and roughly this is how they "dissapeared". Given this, is not soooo paradoxical.
Time linguists started telling it like it is, that modern common german, austrian german, swiss german and italian german is heavily influence by east german languages
Those aren't, though. Those dialects are directly from the Irminonic tribes that remained in the modern German speaking areas. Tribes like the Alemmani, Bavari, Suevi, and Lombards. Alemmani, Bavari, and Suevi were literally the direct ancestors of Swiss, Bavarian, Austrian, and Sudeten German speakers.
@@joagalo No. The Vandals disappeared after their defeat against the Byzantines. Many into slavery.
Fascinating. I didn’t know we had this much Vandalic to refer to. It sounds extremely close to Gothic.
We don't, unfortunately. We only have a few fragments. This is a reconstruction: an educated guess
...But yes, it was close to Gothic
@@Scottishenglishoh that's too bad. I was really liking the Vandalic. It sounded much cooler than the Gothic to me. Seemed like it had some Romance influence, which I think would be very cool.
You forgot to include Burgundian, which is also East Germanic.
Are there any records for it?
Burgundian it's pretty we're missing a lot about this idiom.
@@noahrice6671 Burgundians probably spoke proto-Norse, they came to Poland from Bornholm island around 250 ad and before 300ad they already moved west near Rhine so it's unlikely that they their language was close to East Germanic.
Do frankish please
yes please
Can you do a comparison of Gothic compared to Old Low German please?
Still don't know why east germanic languages are extinct
Latinisation.
Slavic,hunnic and Avar invasions/ genocides
Andy your work with the ancient Germanic languages is getting wonderful, for you to unify them all there's still a big chunk of them missing you have to make videos of Old Vandalic, Old Burgundian, Old Cimbric, Old Jute, Old Alemannic, Old Walser, Old Frisian, Old Frisian Anglo, Old Swabian/Swebic, Old Swabish, and Old Elfdalian, Old Bokmäl, Old Frankish.
As you already have video of Proto-Germanic, you still lack video of Late Germanic and Common Germanic.
Then you post Germanic conlangs like Teutonish and Spraak.
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They are both related but both of them have their differences that we can say Vandalic is a different language to Gothic
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Thank you for sharing the information
@@Nwk843actually no, Lombardic was a branch of west germanic language of the elbe germanic which is related to High German, while the Gothic and Vandalic is the branch of east germanic.
@@Gutthiuda1997I didn't see his original comment but if he was referring to Lombardic as an East Germanic language he might have been thinking of Burgundian. I notice people tend to confuse the Lombards and the Burgundians for some reason.
@@RW-rt5nd Oh didn’t know that most people confuse those two. And why they do confuse ?
Beautiful.
Very cool.
Gothic sounds like you want to speak but haven’t had a drink of water in about 300 years
coincidentally, no speaker of Gothic has had a drink of water in about 300 years
Nice video ❤️❤️💪
Gooths Waurkja swe allswigs Andy!
For me that d-w-r sounds in 4 is realy the definitive thing for eastern Germanic Languages
Vandals!
The Wandalic seems to be constructed on the basis of some words that were written within Latin texts by Roman scribes who did not know how to notate the Germanic sounds.
Why is it out of nowhere I've suddenly see your comments on all the germanic language videos
Oh cool
Where did you get the reconstruction for Vandalic from? I'm surprised there even is something to go by to begin with.
From nowhere. There is no single source of vandalic. This is completely his invention, based on gothic, assuming it is similiar to gothic.
I believe the guy who made the reconstruction for the "Vandalic Language" video probably did the reconstruction for this video too. Apparently, he used Gothic as a basis in the other video, but here things are more complex, I'd like to know the details for this one here...
At least one sentence is known in Vandalic, "Eils! Scapia matzia ia drincan!".
Try crimean gothic
its all bullshit
I didn't even know anything from Vandal survived!
always loved the East Germanic languages, and its a goddamn shame none survive to this day
Yes. Crimean Gothic existed likely untill XVIII century. Most local Goth were hellenized and turkisized .
Is Vandalic (well) attested?
no, this video is almost all reconstructions
@@user-upwjchb No, I don’t think so. The Bible was translated into Gothic. I thought Andy was only using this text because it didn’t have to be reconstructed, just transliterated from the runes.
nowhere near as much as gothic, many vandalic words we know are reconstructions
Useful replies, thank you so much everyone. I thought Gothic is a lot more attested. Vandalic, Burgindian, I am not sure but have already learnt stuff here. Dankie
Hold it, I thought that all what we could call Vandalic were a few glosses and names of chieftains.
Please do a comparison to old North Germanic
Old English: ac
Gothic: ak
Vandalic: acī
They seem to be more resembling Baltics and PIE, I can picture Old Prussian and East Germanic being really close
Germanoid Baltic languages might be even closer to Germanic languages if they weren't influenced by Indo-Iranian (satemization).
*ek - *eš
*hun - *ku̯ō/*šu̯ō
*hlaibaz - *klai̯pas
*gaukaz - *gegužā
*ehwaz - *ešu̯as
*teiwaz - *deiṷas
*bardaz - *bardā
*derbaz - *darbas
*þū - *tū
*jūz - *i̯ūs
*ainaz - *ai̯nas
*þrejez - *trei̯es
*aplaz - *ābols
*-lif - *-lika
*terwą - *derṷā
*gōmô - *gāmurii̯as
*hertô - *šerdis
*gumô - *žmō
*unkwiz - *angis
*mari - *marī
*þeuraz - *taṷras
*ezmi - *esmi
*awiz - *au̯is
*gans - *žans
*sunuz - *sūnus
*melks - *melžis
@@Nwk843 bro just said Lithuanian is closer related to Finnish than to German? Lol
Any corpus on old Prussian?
Balto slavic, Germanic italo celtic pregreek bmc substrate, im curious why sea people didnt leave corpus as other non IE people did in sanskrit greek and many more.
The meme for this is borean tho its not somebody i used to know meme but the linguistics one, idk anymore. Unrelated but similiar morphology is semitic with celtic (langfocus)
what is your source for vandalic?
imagination
its all bullshit
Btw, Vandalic sounds more corresponded to the written than Gothic.
We have a little evidence of a Vandal language, indeed. It is more reconstruction. Instead, Gothic is well documented. Likely before arrive of Goth deep into borders of Western Roman Empire, they spoke exactly like written, including numerous of diftogns.
@@alareiks742 yeah, at that time it was more likely to have been a dialect than a language.
11 de la mañana.
It's funny how 'atta' is father, when the Finnish word for father is "aiti'.
oh yea, that's right I'm sorry😅@@Nwk843
In turkic languages "ata" is word for father
As I know in Finnish "and" is "ja". The same as in Gothic "jah", which means "end". Linguistically Finnish is very influenced on Proto-Germanic, East and North Germanic vocabulary .
@@alareiks742 the meaning of the word end is the opposite of the meaning of the word and, so I do not think these words are related
@@iwanovski749 Gothic word for "end" is "jah",it is ethimologicaly related to the Germanic yes called "ja" and English "yeah". Word "and" (en, und), related to the words in other IE language like Greek "αντί " and the Latin "ante", which means "an opposite", "opposition", "or/instead".
If you meant about Finnish and Estonian "and". It is definitely the Germanic borrowing.
Do Suebic 🙏🏻🙏🏻
How it was possible to reconstruct the Vandalic language?
it isnt
Latvian + German
Very close!
Not surprising, since Romans said Goths behave like vandals .. : )
Goths conquers Rome & Vandals conquers Carthage
I detect a bit of Portuguese influence on Vandal language 🤔?
You mean the oposite
No, because Vandalic is an archaic language, it still retains some influences from proto-Germanic, in which itself is very similar to Proto-italic
yeah; when you think of these people, you maybe think of people going around wrecking telephone boxes in a slightly grumpy mood, having emersed themselves in jean paul satre, and lazily infering a existential paradigm . that just one page of history i kinda find hard to take seriously. i know, its unfair; and im just saying the knee-jerk maybe, having heard their tribes names in the modern lexicon.. im sure they are valid anthropological groups
Gothic was the first language into which the koine Christian scriptures (writings other than Tanakh and Septuagint) were translated (Ulfilas and team), fifty or so years before Jerome, into Latin.
Does anybody know if, when & by whom Vandalic?
Vandalic words : Molotov, barricade, looting
Real Vandalic words - Liberals
Wow.
It sounds kind of like a cross between Persian and Semitic.
I wouldn't be surprised if proto Germanic came straight from ancient scythian , saka , sarmatian Persian speaking tribes. Then mixing with the local ural-altaic native people of northern Europe eventually becoming Germanic.
Amazing how languages mix and evolve.
Great video.
Thanks
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