Classic Hornet In Australian Service

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  • Australia's Tactical Fighter Force project to select a replacement for the RAAF’s Mirage fighter was a significant one, not only for choosing the RAAF's main fighter for the next three decades but to develop local industry participation.
    The search for a Mirage replacement began as early as 1970 and by November 1979 the shortlist had been reduced to two aircraft: the General Dynamics F-16 and McDonnell Douglas F-18. By late 1981 it was the F/A-18 Hornet that was chosen.
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  • @raafdocumentaries
    @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Corrections: In terms of losses, at 10:07 the narration should be "...the RAAF's F/A-18A/B Classic Hornet fleet..." with 2 "A" and 2 "B" airframes lost.
    From @davidwhite69 - 4:31 technicality. it was actually 75 SQN to operate the first "new" system, well before 1991. During Exercise Cope Thunder 90 in The Philippines, 75 SQN CO Wing Commander Ross Fox visited US Naval Station Subic Bay. When he returned to Clark Air Base the AIM-9 CATM on station one was missing. On station four was a brand new AN/AAS-38 Nite Hawk FLIR pod. The CO had done a back door deal to "borrow" the pod for the duration of the exercise, with the AIM-9 CATM put down as a security deposit. The mission computer software we were running at the time was 89C, which had only limited operation of the pods capability, full capability wasnt gained until software load 90A, but the sqn learned valuable data with the experience. The pod was returned the day after the exercise finished. Also on that exercise was the first time the "top hat and cane" was applied to A21-29.

  • @beano9343
    @beano9343 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:35 Eff yeah the Hornet, what a beast.

  • @jonginder5494
    @jonginder5494 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Every time I see a mirage IIIO in Aussie colours my heart skips a beat.

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep .......lost my Mirage IIIO virginity at the 1983 Schofield's airshow an incredible site always a touch faster, smoother and lower than the Hornet.

    • @stuka101
      @stuka101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lawn dart

    • @peterkirgan2921
      @peterkirgan2921 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I flew one A3_17

  • @davidewhite69
    @davidewhite69 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:31 technicality. it was actually 75 SQN to operate the first "new" system, well before 1991. During Exercise Cope Thunder 90 in The Philippines, 75 SQN CO Wing Commander Ross Fox visited US Naval Station Subic Bay. When he returned to Clark Air Base the AIM-9 CATM on station one was missing. On station four was a brand new AN/AAS-38 Nite Hawk FLIR pod. The CO had done a back door deal to "borrow" the pod for the duration of the exercise, with the AIM-9 CATM put down as a security deposit. The mission computer software we were running at the time was 89C, which had only limited operation of the pods capability, full capability wasnt gained until software load 90A, but the sqn learned valuable data with the experience. The pod was returned the day after the exercise finished. Also on that exercise was the first time the "top hat and cane" was applied to A21-29.

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks David - I'll put that in our pinned corrections comment.

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks from across the ditch 👍✈️🇳🇿

  • @EddyOtway
    @EddyOtway 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was an AirTc cadet in the 80’s and we got to visit Avalon where they were being put together and sit in the cockpit of one, which had nothing but a wooden seat in it. Was a good experience though👍🏻

  • @Jordy120
    @Jordy120 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I really like these short documentaries (I do like the long ones too). Cheers.

  • @peterkirgan2921
    @peterkirgan2921 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I flew the Mirage in the 1980s as well as the Sabre probably the best jets of old time ! Well before the F18 Williamtown base was my home!!!❤❤❤

  • @danpatterson8009
    @danpatterson8009 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Worth mentioning that the F/A-18 program was a collaboration between Northrop and McDonnell Douglas in response to a US Navy requirement. It was based on the YF-17, a Northrop product that had lost out to the YF-16 for a US Air Force contract.

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The navy made the better choice going with McDonnell-Douglas. Maybe the YF-16 could have been adapted to carrier use. Maybe… however the F/A-18 was a sure thing.

    • @danpatterson8009
      @danpatterson8009 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Idahoguy10157 There is something to be said for having a second engine to make it back to the carrier if one engine fails.

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@danpatterson8009 …. I don’t think naval aviators had any serious interest in adopting a navalized YF-16.

    • @danpatterson8009
      @danpatterson8009 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Idahoguy10157 The YF-17 wouldn't have done them much good either without extensive mods. Still, a larger platform with two engines to work from.

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@danpatterson8009 …. That’s where McDonnell-Douglas comes in. IIRC Northrop had 40% of the F/A-18 work teaming with MD

  • @fraggle1340
    @fraggle1340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Williamtown, I was standing on the Hardstand ate Darwin Airbase when the first 2 Hornets arrived. They did a fly over the runway from the landward side before they did a circuit and landed. I've still got the photo's I took on the day.

  • @canuckled
    @canuckled 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Forgot to mention several Australian F/A 18s are serving in the RCAF as replacement aircraft

    • @mikemontgomery2654
      @mikemontgomery2654 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      As a Canadian and just to be fair, this is about Australia’s time with their Hornets. I think you understand why they would want to fondly remember that, on their terms too.

    • @doogleticker5183
      @doogleticker5183 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They bought a load of parts…not just airframes. It’s Trudeau’s government’s pet (Bombardier) that had a spat with Boeing (thus Trump). Slowed F-35 procurement and has left the RCAF with SFA…

    • @patrickmclaughlin61
      @patrickmclaughlin61 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Canada has/had the option to be rid of trudeau. Jail would be a reasonable option.

  • @ronlucock3702
    @ronlucock3702 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The original Northrop YF-17 was a much more petite version till McDonnell Douglas beefed it up for carrier operations as the F/A-18.

  • @thelandofnod123
    @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Good to see Super Hornets sneaking in trying to masquerade as proper Hornets.

    • @herptek
      @herptek 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Quite a different plane inside, but it wears a convincing mask.

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@herptek Almost completely different, even if you ignore that it is 25% larger, the two only share around 8% component wise.

  • @rastarn
    @rastarn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Excellent summary!

  • @shashediri544
    @shashediri544 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great documentary

  • @JIMDEZWAV
    @JIMDEZWAV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    OUTSTANDING ....

  • @The.Drunk-Koala
    @The.Drunk-Koala 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They did well. But I do miss the F1-11 flying over our house like the late 90s

  • @bondisteve3617
    @bondisteve3617 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good. Thanks.

  • @sheepiscool
    @sheepiscool 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love it!

  • @donkeystains7739
    @donkeystains7739 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video 👍

  • @PotatoGod6969
    @PotatoGod6969 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    god i love the hornet

  • @NeonGenesisPlatinum
    @NeonGenesisPlatinum 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is an EXCELLENT video. You don't normally get this many facts without ridiculous techno music. Thank you very much for no gay music and a great video. Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi. Can't believe I just found this channel today. AND BLOODY OATH I SUBSCRIBED. ❤

  • @Torofamily-pk6np
    @Torofamily-pk6np 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1st viewer. Amazing...Great aircraft and good documentary

  • @Mrbuckaroonie..
    @Mrbuckaroonie.. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw a simulation the other day of classic hornets against SU35'a and then they did it with Super Hornets. The Super Hornets won the legacy Hornets all got wiped out. Just didn't have the radar range to stay alive. It seems now the aircraft with the best radar and longest range weapons wins.

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stealth and 5th gen attributes win now.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@LeonAustpilot training goes a long way

  • @beano9343
    @beano9343 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fast facts but it was brilliant.

  • @MysteriousMarsupial
    @MysteriousMarsupial 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    'War is good for business' - Anon

  • @thelandofnod123
    @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You misspoke when you mentioned airframe losses. There were 2 singles and 2 duals lost, not 4 duals.

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The text reads "The RAAF's F/A-18B Classic Hornet fleet has achieved the distinction of being the safest jet fighter in RAAF service with just four airframes lost in over 405,000 flying hours."

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@raafdocumentaries Except we didn’t loose 4 B models. 2 A and 2 B.

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@thelandofnod123 Ah OK, that's then a typo from when we did the research - the original text did read "...RAAF's F/A-18A/B Classic Hornet fleet..." our mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • @MichaelPenney-b1k
    @MichaelPenney-b1k 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's A Juliette!!!

  • @AlexRantos
    @AlexRantos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Didn’t they upgrade the software to the superhornet around 2010?

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The F-35A replaced these Hornets. Super hornets and Growlers replaced the F-111c and D models.

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LeonAust You mean G not D.

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes my mis, they were ex FB-111A and removed the nuclear capability and became F-111G ...well spotted@@thelandofnod123

  • @mrkanish9182
    @mrkanish9182 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The generals of the Australian airforce wanted the F 15 eagle .The Australian government rejected the Eagle to appease Indonesia and Malaysian concerns .

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fake news ?

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like all a/c hornets would have cost govt far more in flying hours cost than purchase price any ideas on this

  • @super_slav91
    @super_slav91 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hornet was derived from the f5 was it not?

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes sort of

  • @JohnSmith-jj2yd
    @JohnSmith-jj2yd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What is your source for Australia evaluating Eurofighter Typhoon (then EF2000) as an F/A-18A/B replacement prior to the HUG and later signing up to the JSF program?
    And what MiG-29 threat "urged" the RAAF to consider this? Malaysia? A treaty-bound allied nation with all of sixteen of them?

    • @dosgamer74
      @dosgamer74 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Indonesia was being forced to look seriously at the MiG-29 in the late 1990s, due to political issues around obtaining additional F-16 Vipers as well as spare parts for their existing fleet from the USA.

    • @JohnSmith-jj2yd
      @JohnSmith-jj2yd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dosgamer74 @dosgamer74 By the time sanctions were applied to Indonesia in 1999 the HUG program was already formalised. (and regardless, Indonesia initially ordered Su-30 in 1996 which were cancelled in 1997 following the Asian Financial Crisis, so US sanctions weren't an issue at that stage regarding further F-16 procurement by TNI-AU)

    • @dosgamer74
      @dosgamer74 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JohnSmith-jj2yd I understand Indonesia cancelled it's order for additional F-16 airframes in 1997, in response to the US congress giving them a spray. That cancellation had nothing to do with sanctions or money, AFAIK. Makes sense they cancelled their initial Flanker order though, given it's cost relative to MiG-29 or F-16. I still believe they did give the MiG-29 a serious look after the F-16 cancellation, given how these two aircraft compare overall.
      I would cite my sources here, but I suspect YT will simply delete my comment again - *sigh*

  • @KenanTurkiye
    @KenanTurkiye 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Turk high-tech! The smart nation.
    I have a folder about it (folder 5 in the playlist).

  • @thelandofnod123
    @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sadly no mention of 2OCU. 😢

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      sorry about that - there's probably a lot we missed in such a short video. We should do a separate video about 2OCU (from the WWII 2OTU to the 2OCU today) as the unit was involved with so many aircraft.

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      raafdocumentary.com/no-2-operational-conversion-unit/

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@raafdocumentaries Good overview, needs some updating now though.

    • @raafdocumentaries
      @raafdocumentaries  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thelandofnod123 If you would like to point out what needs updating, I'll make the adjustments.

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@raafdocumentaries Yeah no worries. The text stops with the Unit operating Hornets. They had moved onto Lightning IIs a few years ago as well as moving into new facilities further down the airfield. The change in platforms is probably one of the biggest changes to the training regime in the Unit’s recent history as there are no dual Lightning IIs, so your first flight in one is also your first solo in one. Obviously there is ALOT of Sim time before hand though.

  • @MichaelPenney-b1k
    @MichaelPenney-b1k 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Snappy Tom 1st

  • @Daryl465
    @Daryl465 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where the f/a 18 a's now ?

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The best of the bunch went to Canada, some ended up with a private company in the US looking to win an Aggressor unit contract. Apparently both parties love them.
      UPDATE. RAVN (formally Air USA) failed to win their contract and the deal for the remaining aircraft has lapsed. The RAVN website also no longer mentions them, although a thumbnail of a Hornet is still there.
      The best airframes went to the Canada along with additional spares and support equipment.
      The date of the remaining aircraft is not known at the moment. Quite a number have been stripped for spares and others remain stored for disposal in poor condition.
      Passing these to Ukraine will be more of a burden than anything, along with the recently disposed of Taipan. As the fleet became aged more issues arose, as Canada has the best of them, including spares and GSE, the remaining would be a maintenance burden not to mention further diversifying a fleet in terms of equipment, training and logistics, particularly such an old fleet of airframes. When in service the support required to keep the platform airworthy and operational was huge and had evolved over decades to suit the emerging needs.

    • @4ndroidG
      @4ndroidG 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They were in line to be given to Ukraine, but in the end, it was rejected. These old airframes need expensive maintenance that someone has to pay for. If not, they will probably be scrapped or left in some boneyard.

  • @jferrie1
    @jferrie1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Are the f35 a flop ? F18 definitely wasn't

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      No the Lightning II is not a flop.

  • @dezza718
    @dezza718 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did it take so many years to get the hornets?

  • @soundknight
    @soundknight 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You forgot it’s a plane of compromises, average range and speed ie not really good at anything. We couldn’t but we should have had f15 and raptors given our geography logistics issues

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      All platforms are compromises. Australia needed something it could afford in the numbers it needed. The Hornet and the Falcon were judged to be those candidates. The Raptor was literally not in the picture and the Eagle was too expensive to buy and operate in the numbers required.
      Hornet was chosen and was an extremely capable aircraft, contrary to your statement it was very good at most things and only got better.

    • @Techo1329
      @Techo1329 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Multi-role was the key requirement and the F/A-18 was the best multi-role option by a country mile.

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@thelandofnod123…. The F-15A/B was only about air superiority. The American Congress refused to let the F-22 be exported.

    • @seannordeen5019
      @seannordeen5019 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The first true multi-role F-15 was the E model and it was a later 1980's program so it came too late for this purchase. And, as others mentioned, the F-15 was expensive which was why the USAF developed the F-16 to get the numbers it needed. The F-22 wasn't available until the 1990's (just after the Cold War ended which is why so few were purchased) and the US Congress didn't allow it to be exported.

    • @thelandofnod123
      @thelandofnod123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Idahoguy10157 Air superiority was a key feature of the RAAF requirements as a replacement for the Mirage III. The F-111 was still fairly new to RAAF service and was to continue to fill the air to ground role. The F-15 was excluded because of political and logistic concerns.
      As the ATF program was wrapping up just when the last of the Hornet deliveries were being made, as I said, the Raptor was not even in the picture to be pitched because it didn’t exist, nor did the thought of it when proposals were first requested. A later decision to not export it had no bearing on the selection of the platform to replace the Mirage III.

  • @justinhollis5579
    @justinhollis5579 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A21-113... I still hate that aircraft and it's fckn TEF Hinge Modification

  • @MichaelPenney-b1k
    @MichaelPenney-b1k 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I Don't Believe Land On Moon Is Possible Ok ADF!!!

  • @zaynevanday142
    @zaynevanday142 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    And these are the airframes that Ukraine refused 😂😂😂

    • @stephenpage-murray7226
      @stephenpage-murray7226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because they are stuffed!

    • @aussie870
      @aussie870 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A great deal of the components of the Legacy Hornets reached their recommended replacement times. In many of the airframes, they would require so much money to get them flight worthy again that it would frankly be cheaper to simply buy more F-16's from the US that Ukrainian pilots are already trained on.
      Australia isn't going to pay for said overhauls given that we sent them to be scrapped to specifically avoid paying these costs.

  • @robertluiswilliams7189
    @robertluiswilliams7189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    M

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Iraq WMD didnt exist should we have been there ?

  • @WildPrimate
    @WildPrimate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Its a flying trash" - Ukrainian Minister -

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Still better than anything they have now and there in our ex used bin.

    • @stephenpage-murray7226
      @stephenpage-murray7226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LeonAust
      Not even good for spares. The Canadians checked..

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What would you know wally.

    • @stephenpage-murray7226
      @stephenpage-murray7226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@LeonAust
      Ex RAAF and supplier to the ADF for nearly three decades.

    • @LeonAust
      @LeonAust 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      So our 2nd hand shitty F/A-18A & B Hornets are the same as the Canadas hornets both were land based hornets unlike the USN versions, Get it! no corrosion problems or fatigued.
      Both have been upgraded to F/A-18C level.
      Although the Aussies now are flying 24 F/A-18F Super hornets soon to block 3, 12 EA-18G Growlers for support, and 71 x stealth 5th gen F-35A Lightning II

  • @andreikravchenko8250
    @andreikravchenko8250 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Korean KF21 would be a good successor to FA18

    • @BatMan-oe2gh
      @BatMan-oe2gh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Australia already has 75 F-35s as the replacements.

    • @The.Drunk-Koala
      @The.Drunk-Koala 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@BatMan-oe2ghWRONG. We do not have that many atm.

    • @BatMan-oe2gh
      @BatMan-oe2gh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@The.Drunk-Koala We have 72 here now.

    • @DavidPowis-m2u
      @DavidPowis-m2u 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We have 63 f35s from a total of 72