I think another reason why the art community is so toxic is a majority of the audience is children/teens, and that age group has no idea what the difference between *harassment* and *accountability* is. A lot of the time, these kids/teens will harass creators when they do/say something wrong and if they're called out on the harassment they say something like _"I'm just holding them accountable!!!"_
that’s a very good point!! maybe if nothing else, recent events will teach them that distinction and maybe result in a little more maturity in the future.
One of my biggest issues in the art community is generally people who self deprecate themselves in order to compliment you and expect praise in return after their self deprecating behavior. Then if you don't answer of block them, you're apparently an egotistical jerk when in actuality you have boundaries and don't appreciate peoples deprecative behaviors? And people get up all in their feels over this or make you feel bad for drawing,,, then project their insecurities of their own art onto you and expect you to comfort them...
@@DuchessCelestia People will go so far to cancel others over this or call them toxic and bad mouth you cause you "didn't compliment them back" when they wer ehsaming themselves.... I block people who self deprecate when complimenting my art and don't feel an ounce of guilt.
"Video about harassing people for having 'cringe' oc": One million views and 200 thousand likes "Video about toxic nature of art community": 8 thousand views and 441 like Humans crave violence, and sadly, that was truth for thousands of years
This isn't just true for art culture it's the same for everything. Which is a sad thing. People hide behind screens and feel vindicated in tearing someone's life up. It's awful. Thankful you're talking about this.
I definitely get a little guilty pleasure in some drama channels but the repeat videos of "problematic people" is getting old. It's not fixing the issue and its not changing their behavior. I'm also getting so tired of the internet being the judge and jury on some things that really should be handled in court.
definitely fair!! and yeah, i don’t know where we get the moral authority to judge these people as if we’re some higher beings incapable of making the exact same mistakes 😞
The saddest part about the toxic nature of the art community is that "big creates" (people who have a large influence.) Almost never talk about this stuff, and are usually are the ones stirring up the drama. And on the rare occasion that they do talk about it they just don't change, or don't try to fix the situation.
Fantastic discussion. I call this phenomena "purity culture", we as the viewing internet audience assign a pedestal to others and enforce that viewpoint as part of purity. When they do anything "problematic", especially minor, we get to assign ourselves the higher ground and talk down to them. It doesn't benefit anyone, and it's really problematic beyond the ridiculous way the internet runs-- it leads to adopting these polarized views on certain nuanced topics, sometimes leading us to extremist beliefs that genuinely are more hurtful (like segregating colleges by skin color again), oftentimes denying all people the ability to admit to a mistake and be forgiven for it. Why should anyone admit to making a mistake in 2022 when you know you're going to be clowned on by strangers? Canceled anyway for making a mistake? No, it leads to a full purity mindset. You can't just post your earnest opinions in your space, because your entire identity might be boiled down to a bad take and diminish all of the good you've ever done. A great example is I was canceled for saying Pokemon's Leon in SwSh doesn't demonstrate good care of his little brother, who is another character of color, which either makes him a malicious figure or an ignorant one to his family's struggle. Because of this claim that I was racist somehow for criticizing a fictional character of color, I lost my platform which I was actively using the sales for BLM donations to George Floyd's family.
OHHHH BOY this is why I dont' have a twitter or really follow drama art channels anymore like Nawnii and Creepshowart I get they want to bring a situation to light but it feels like they do more harm than good with that being said really really REALLY problamatic artists like cristalli and a few other groomers are the exceptions in this case but my point still stand for the regular "he said, she said, oh i have reciepts" type drama. EDIT; BOYYYYY DID THIS AGE WELL XD
i definitely feel you. i know their intentions are good though, and when proof is provided and the commentary is unbiased, they’re definitely helpful contributions to the community!! but blowing small stuff out of proportion has become way too widely accepted imo
As I'm listening to this, I have the dumbest grin on my face, because all the points I've been saying to my friends, peers, etc online- you hit all of them. Cancel Culture is honestly one of the many things that scare me in this day and age, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the art community. I purposefully avoid looking at art memes, speedpaints, and other channels like this because some of the talks are extremely repetitive, and only cover one side. That's why when I see topics like this come from youtubers who took time to do their research, look at all the sides, and come to a conclusion that I leave the video feeling content and informed. Aka, that is you :3 Btw, lovely genshin art. I kept staring at the lineart feverishly and wondering how the hell have I missed you as a talented human being. Tis illegal. Thou deserves more recognition. (And even though I can't play as Amber in genshin because I don't particularly like her, I fell in love with this drawing...curse you cute Baron bunny XD)
gOd this comment actually made me so happy that i had to close my phone and go tell my partner about it ;u; you have no idea how much that means to me. i try so so hard to be a channel people can trust not to be like that and that is just unbiased and informative, so hearing you say that is potentially the most validating comment i’ve ever received fjdjfkgkf thank you so much for all of your kind words!! i’m so glad you liked the art and the video ;u; ❤️💙 i feel you with the amber thing tho omg
@@DuchessCelestia Awwh I'm happy that it made you happy! My daily motto is to spread the love, the good vibes, the guud kush XD Also if I were to discuss my favorite character of Genshin, it's a tie between Zhongli and Diluc. Totally not because I have the hots for them...haha...yeah, totally
I completely agree with you, everyone does so little research on the situation thst it can damage not just a persons career but their mental health too.
exactly!! there have been so many dramas recently where i definitely didn’t agree with the creator being discussed, but it’s horrifying to see the way they’re being treated, and it’s awful to see that so many people respond to disagreeing with someone by sending them horrible hate.
Yes! People can be horrible over the internet. They tend to forget that theres another person on the other side of the screen. As someone who did got hate and kys messages it can be so disgusting and horrible. I naver get how some people can sent messages like that. Now its more of canceling a person than educating them.
i'm so glad this video got the most votes because i actually wanted/requested for a video like this too. art is where you can express yourself freely and honestly, it's sad that racism is an issue in the community. it sucks to have to think on what you should and should not draw or include in your art piece, because you are worried on getting criticized based on the color of the character, or the eyes, or maybe even the size of the nose. in my opinion, if the art is appropriate then there's nothing wrong with it. 💕 by the way, i love the coloring of this one (probably my favorite). 🥰
The toxicity of the art community never fails to scare me away from participating in any community project. If there is one person that decided to hate your guts they will do their best to spread misinformation about you and be sure you can not set foot in any project at all. The best part is; I never got the chance to talk about this because their reaction was to instantly ban me from any media. Me talking about this issue (without any names involved) in a sarcastic way on my profile as in "oh so it's ok to treat people like that, cool thanks." is apparently toxic and another reason for me to be canceled ... yeah nice. This all is just so surreal to me and I kinda wanna laugh and cry at the same time, because at one side it is good that group did not let me in because there is something seriously wrong with their ways and it's better not be part of that, but on the other hand it hurts being silenced and targeted by accusation without ever the chance to explain or talk for oneself in this matter. And I am sorry to put that in your comment section, but this happened just recently and takes up my mind and I need to get this off my chest, I guess. Thank you for your video and your words, I wish more people would consider things just like you did here. I wish you well~
i’m so sorry to hear about everything you’re dealing with. it’s horrible how easy it is societally to just shun, harass, mistreat and ‘cancel’ a person because other people are doing it and because anonymity protects them from the consequences of doing so - it’s disheartening and disappointing, and i’m so sorry to hear that you’ve dealt with that firsthand ;;
Thank you kindly for your reply. It's been some days now and I am starting to light up again. My friends helped me cheering up but also watching your videos on that matter since they gave me a feel of security. When a bunch of people attack you for something you kinda start questioning yourself, so thank you for your help. Have a wonderful day~
i’m so happy to hear that things are going better for you now, and i’m so glad that i’ve been able to help via videos too! the community can be a dark place, but there’s a lot of light and good in it too!
And that why I hate this part of the art Community so damn much Especially miss information and not Enough evidence to back it up (but many people believe it anyway because they think they’re right all the time ) and what I really hate is that they advertise especially from a freaking friend that they find out is toxic or over advertising . Like there’s nothing wrong getting money and promoting if you want to career out of it , but how you set it up is very uncomfortable 😓 (in my opinion) .
-ah man i felt callout- You know i was one of the sheep just following the drama, unfollowing and not supporting the creator after the callout happened. But everytime the drama cooling down and then a new information coming out telling the creator is innocent, I ended up feel so bad because that always happened all the time and for some reason I fell into the same hole again and again, i feel like an idiot now. Rn i'm really trying to not looking at drama, it's really damaging to look at thag kind of content everydray.
i totally understand, and you definitely shouldn’t feel like an idiot for that. this stuff is so widely accepted as okay that questioning it can be difficult, and you shouldn’t feel bad for it - as long as we all try to be more aware and proactive in the future, that’s what matters!
Like this mentallity really needs to stop, people shouldn't bring a lot of heat into the drama and just jumping to conclusion. It's just sad that this happens very frequently
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how beautifuly you've drawn Amber? 🥺 I can't wait to see your future genshin impact drawings in the future! Also, you video sums up very well my thoughts on the art commentary community (also, it can be applied to any other type of commentary community. Let's not forget that this happens to other communities as well and it's really disheartening. )
Believe it or not but people have accused me of being a ‘MAP’ because I shipped two ADULT FICTIONAL characters who one of which is a demon and another is a human. And so because of the age gap between them, they started to call me a MAP. But the thing that’s funny about this is, not only am I a child, or was at the time of shipping these two characters, but the fact they called me a MAP for shipping two characters just because of a completely legal age gap. So by their own logic, the people who created Twighlight are MAPS because Edward is a hundred year old Vampire and Bella is a human being. Yet when I tried to make that comparison they completely gaslighted me.
ohhhh god i’m so sorry to hear that, the internet can be a terrifying place when people decide that they’re right and you’re wrong. that sounds awful, and i’m really sorry you had to deal with it ;;
@@DuchessCelestia oh my I actually wasn’t expecting you to respond xD but thank you:’) and yeah, I just wanted to make you aware of that since some people from the cancel culture falsely accuse people of extreme stuff that can be highly damaging to that person’s reputation and mental well being. I also actually had a friend accused for the same stuff and for the same reasons, but she too is also younger than me. It’s baffling though how people have the nerve to throw around damaging and false info like that. And I wonder if that’s what has been happening to some big content creators sometimes too. :( But nonetheless thanks for the reply ^^ you’ve really made my day by that, and I hope you have a wonderful day or night too
i agree, false accusations (or accusations based on opinion but treated as fact) can be damaging beyond belief ;; i definitely agree that big creators are dealing with similar stuff as well. it’s terrifying to live in a society where someone can just accuse you of something with no factual basis to it and your life could very well be ruined.
I've seen this so many times. People seem to not know the difference between shipping a minor with an adult and shipping two adult characters with a big age gap between them
Honestly this whole cancel culture/herd mentality is why I feel such strong dissonance towards the community that I've been a part of for so many years, and in a way feel a strong contempt for it. I take guilty pleasure in watching the drama unfold in the sense that I love watching this cesspool of a community crash and burn again and again without really commenting on it or really becoming emotionally involved. Why should I care when its members have repeatedly proven themselves to be ignorant, childish, and malicious? Why should I care when the drama channels that comment on it are only out there to sensationalize it and to push narratives for profit? It's disgusting. So disgusting and stupid and petty that it's amusing. It's incredible how many people seemingly lack the ability to think for themselves.
Only thing I didagree with is thr statement that white artists would never have to deal with the same thing the example artist you brought up had to deal with. (Sorry, I don't trust myselfe to spell her name right >.< I'm not even sure if I heard it right!) And the reason I disagree with, is that twitter exists and that both asian and european artists abd cosplayers have been bashed and witch hunted for doing similar things as well. For example drawing disney princesses with switched clothes/roles, or cosplaying characters that are dark skined, or, in rare ocations mainly regarding asian cosplayers in this specific example, cosplaying characters with lighter skin. Mainly by beeing called racist and the other usual harassment. It feels like an over all sickness spreading around, not stopping at anyone. People just somehow really love destroying people for portraying themselfes/creating crossovers or similar things of stuff that makes them happy. They just use different methods to attack different people. I find it really sad. Becouse no one deserves that for simply trying to have fun!
Awesome video! The sad thing about cancel culture and toxicity is that some people don't seem to want to give that creator another chance to right their wrongs. If a creator did something bad (like accidentally insult someone) and they were legitimately sorry about their actions and want to change for the better, they are immediately shot down and the people refuse to forgive them, despite the fact that the creator is trying to change for the better. All this toxicity and cancel culture is just causing people to not be able to grow as people and learn from their mistakes and instead, puts in this harmful notion that everyone should be perfect, despite the fact that nobody is perfect.
Talking points aside (which I agree with a hundred and ten percent you were very well spoken about all of these recurring issues and it was a joy to listen to). I just wanted to say that I actually felt like I learned a few things in watching how you shaded the colors in your artwork in the speedpaint. It's very beautifully shaded. I would love to watch a video where you go into detail about how you choose to color and paint your work. You're an extremely underrated content creator and you deserve more attention.
oh my gosh i don’t even know what to say to that!! i still consider myself very much an amateur, so the idea that someone found something valuable art-wise to learn from in one of my videos is,,, super crazy oh my gOsh ;; i would love to make a video like that!! i don’t feel like my technical skill is nearly good enough yet to be intentionally teaching anything, but i can at least do a walk through/explanation of how i work!! thank you so much!! ;u; ❤️💙
Holy smokes. This was a very intelligent video. It's very easy to point fingers or abuse people online when anonymity is involved. Great discussion. I'd sub 3 times if I could.
I've pondered on making a video similar to this and maybe even taking more nuanced views on drama as it pops up, critisizing the way people go about "holding creators accountable". I remember feeling so confused when people were attacking Hopeless Peaches, and I was even more confused to see people immediately turn on their heels and support her again. So many people online refuse to think for themselves when situation like that pop up. Unfortunately, the people who pull the most attention are the ones bashing others over pointless drama that could have been settled privately. It's a shame that the art community is one of the most toxic ones.
agreed completely!! i feel like it’s a combination of people failing to do their own research or develop their own opinions and just trusting the loudest voice at the time to inform them about the situation, and people actually knowing that a person is being wrongfully cancelled but being too afraid to go against those loudest voices saying otherwise because they don’t want to join the creator in the cancelled corner. the way public opinion is weaponized to both cancel undeserving creators and keep audiences who don’t agree with it silent out of fear is deeply concerning, and i feel like the hopeless peaches situation exemplifies that really well. it’s really disheartening, and it’s even more so because i can’t see that changing or improving any time soon unless the internet starts becoming a safer place to have and share opinions that differ from what call-outs and expose videos say we should believe
i watch a lot of videos about people getting cancel [its started to show up in my recommended allot Lately] And allot of the videos on the same person are exactly the same, and almost non had any evidence Instead just showed what other you tuber's said, showing the exact same words that person had said, the issue i have with cancel culture is that they give almost no proof to there claims the only "proof" they'd ever show is A video from another you tuber who say's the exact same thing. The saddest there's more savior matter's that nobody[or only small creators ] talks about , And the issue goes almost no were biggest the major channel's who should talk about the issues don't. hope that makes sense- Love your content!
agreed completely!! what i really want is a commentary channel that objectively disassembles dramas into facts and information rather than repeats the same narrative that all the drama channels are spewing without any proof ;;
I don't send harassment to anyone regardless of how bad they are- if you're thinking about harassing someone- pleas don't. Just ignore them and pretend they don't exist.
I relate way too much to your intro lmao. I’m so tempted to turn my art channel into genshin fan art I’ve also looked into the toxic art community a lot and almost made a video about it, but everything I want to say has already been said by other content creators
This needs to stop Imagine being an artist as a kid and drawing p*dophelia but then years later as you are an adult and knowing that is wrong you appologize for the drawing. But some angry kids call you a "p*dophile" for drawing that kind of stuff with ocs. This is an example from TheGreatRouge drama that still bothers me till this day and i hate it when people say my oppinion on this drama is "valid" when it's just an oppinion. Most youtubers/artists who are called out of p*dophelia are men and adult woman where some people have screenshots of a person doing p*dophelia. Calling an artist a "p*do" for drawing it instead of doing it feels wrong. And i was cancelled over "names" i never used on amino.
OK I DIDN'T WATCHED THE VIDEO YET BUT THIS IS BY FAR ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL DRAWING U EVER PUT ON THE THUMBNAIL THE IMPROVEMENT !$!$!$#$#!@$
How the heck do I get that good on procreate?! How does everyone but me have these beautiful clean sketches underneath? I gotta learn so much more. Great video too btw.
oh my gosh, i was exactly the same with it for a long time, it’s not just you!! as soon as you get the hang of all its tools, it starts getting a lot easier ❤️💙 and thank you!!
I wonder if it's in part because the internet itself is rather young. Online communication has evolved a lot and is a fairly recent in its place in the world, so it would make sense that it's still catching up with its social rules and expected behavior. Not that it's in any way excusable for people to do these kinds of things, but it is interesting to think about
@@DuchessCelestia :D I have been loving channels like this, you're so under rated! There are a BUNCH of channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers that can't even beat your content tbh.
yeah uh ppl calling her a hypocrite don’t know what it means… she’s allowed to have a moral base and can be against certain things as long she isn’t toxic about it. If she was toxic then yea hypocrite, but having a opinion on a matter isn’t hypocritical. Someone can dislike/critique things, get over it. and if anyone wants to argue me on that, just don’t. I personally don’t care, nor is my mind going to change. It’s better off if we mind our business, than cause a petty war.
I’m an artist who is starting to be more and more popular in the Omori fandom and that genuinely makes me feel a bit scared, because i perfectly know what kind of shit happens when you are popular, people start seeing you as a perfect god/goddess who wouldn’t do anything wrong instead of a human being that makes mistakes and will go extremely wild if you make a really little mistake. Every human has their own flaws and shouldn’t be expected to be perfect. Ofc, everyone makes mistakes but that’s just a part of life and we all learn from those mistakes. (Sorry if my english is bad, it’s not my native language lol)
You say this is a “past few months” thing, but this kind of toxicity in the art community has existed for as long as I’ve been on the internet (1997-98, I think, not counting local BBS and things like that). Anyway, my point is that this is not new. It might be new to you, but it has been going on for decades. Since as long as people have been sharing their artwork online in any sort of public view. I know people who have been harassed, defamed, ”cancelled”, and ultimately took all their stuff offline. I even know of someone who threw their portfolio away and has never picked up a pen since - and they were an amazing artist. And, actually, you can certainly hear about it from before the internet as well; but we’re talking about the internet, which has definitely enabled a much more widespread and public view of it. It is really sad and detestable how mean people can and will be. How people will gang up on someone. How people just want to hurt other people. As for the exact issue you mention about a POC drawing herself as an anime character, I have heard of that and still don’t get the issue. There are literally black anime characters (rare, but still). Anyway, my heart goes out to that person and anyone else it has or is happening to. I’m so sorry.
The whole AI art community is toxic on both sides. The people who made Ai - toxic People using ai - (some are okay but the ones who post ABoUT the ai art debate are pretty toxic) The Artists on sites who may or may not have been used have been pretty toxic… Like Both sides dog pile on anyone trying to see the others side
I was "cancelled" in 2020 For saying a word i just learnt existed and didnt know was bad , And it caused me to be burnt at a stake practicly by an army of 9 year olds lead by People who have petty revenge plots against me for little arguements or stupid things that would and have happened years and years ago when me and those people where younger And they used this to lie about me being some big monster. And for the whole year i was misgendered and deadnamed by all of them, even having my meltdowns from my autisum used against me by them knowing what triggers/makes them go on , I struggle to calm down whenever i have them and im not even sure why but thats not the point. They basicly made me lose every single person i loved And constantly goated and clowned me every time i spoke or posted anything even if it didnt relate to anything they where saying. And they would pin people i loved and cared about against me and lied to them about me constantly, Spreading things like "She`s transphobic, homophobic, everything phobic etc etc!!"" Something along the lines of that. And i`m a ftm aswel as homosexual. so this makes absolutely no sense to me how they thought that made any sense, I`m not fully saying what happened becuase its really graphic and nasty and i dont think anyone wants to hear much about a 13 year old being harrased into a attempt to end therselves by a group of confused children being lead by a 17 year old sadist who wanted nothing but to see me lose everything i loved just becuase I said one word that i barely knew much about at the time. And even when i`d do something wrong or say something genuinly wrong. It wasnt the type of things they where trying to say i was doing or that i had done, They where worse then me with what they had been doing. I`ll sugar coat it here because i dont want anyone to feel more uncomfortable if it already is making them. They would call Me names/label me constantly . most commonly "Toxic" "clown" even some despite their preaching about how slurs are horrible calling me the R word . They also would intentionally and i mean INTENTIONALLY Cause me to panic and scream at them because i had no idea what to do sense it was always 50 vs 1 They would use it as black mail and publicly put me on blast on their blogs for the stupidest of things . aswel as much. much more things they`ve said. as someone that had to deal with that side of cancel culture, I can just say. Jesus christ i hope this dies down eventually because now that this is So frequant it could happen to anyone. Even someone whos preteen or even younger at this point in time from what i know. They`re very very vicious when it comes to chosing who to tear apart (cancel culture wise ) Its good when its actual bad people, But the problem obviously comes when its a literal child/minor infact just ANYONE easily affected by these kinds of things They dont stop even when you beg them to or do ANYTHING to make it clear you want them too They dont stop when you appologise for what you havent even done, and they proceed to pick apart your appology And lie about it being made up looking for any reason to call it a bluff. I`M really sorry if this is messy But talking about this makes me nervous so i end up scrambling around but The damadge from cancel culture Is extremely horrific depending on who severe it was of an experience and for me ive been left with paralizing fear anytime im put into A situation simaler to it or any conflict in fact. I cant imagine how horrible the trauma/ptsd people have after they`ve been attacked by not just hundreds or tens like me, BUT THOUSANDS , MILLIONS depending on there popularity. in a community i used to mostly be in a 14 year old was cancelled because their style was simaler to another person in the community, yes. THEIR ART STYLE. and they where attacked by thousands maybe even millions of people. I think things have died down with that sort of part of the issue but i can only hope sense i havent checked in a whilleee..
Anime characters come in all body shapes, sizes, and skin tones. It makes no sense to say a Black woman should not make herself into an anime character when Black people already exist in anime, i.e., Machiko from Machiko and Hatchin, Mohammad Ali Jr and Oliver from Baki, Canary from Hunter x Hunter.
Id be very ok to see less Art Commentary videos. As an artist myself i feel like this has just become more harmful to the art community and just another way for some artists to just start unnecessary drama
@@DuchessCelestia I think no matter where you go, or no matter what art scene you are apart of, there is always going to be drama or cliques. but i just wonder if some of these AC vids can just unintentionally add more fuel to a fire.
@RadioactiveVikings oh, absolutely - conflict is impossible to avoid in any environment where large numbers of people interact, but things are definitely getting worse as of late. it's just so frustrating because there's really no right answer - even if commentators are trying to just make things better and respectfully, constructively comment, they're still risking just making matters worse by dragging it out. i'm in the same boat myself - i want to talk about these things, but it's so difficult to do so without unintentionally making matters worse ;; @RadioactiveVikings oh, absolutely - conflict is impossible to avoid in any environment where large numbers of people interact, but things are definitely getting worse as of late. it's just so frustrating because there's really no right answer - even if commentators are trying to just make things better and respectfully, constructively comment, they're still risking just making matters worse by dragging it out. i'm in the same boat myself - i want to talk about these things, but it's so difficult to do so without unintentionally making matters worse ;;
@@DuchessCelestia I feel like its gotten very bad. I know a lot of stuff came out because of CS but there were so many artists that got dragged through the mud for absolutely no reason. I strongly believe a hopless peaches is "retired" fully because of videos that weaponized her mental health against her. And im sorry but i know there are a lot of fans of Omnia, but i feel she is slowly becoming problematic and is also one of the folks who truly milked HP's sitaution and used speculation over fact causing many to go against HPs. And then there was never really an apology. And i know this is probably considered an unpopular opinion but i just really don't appreciate art commentary videos especially ones that go after other artists.
This is any community honestly. Look at what people did to JK Rowling. NO ONE ACTUALLY READ WHAT SHE WROTE. And they started piling lies after lies just to emphasize how mean she is when she honestly wasn't. They kept twisting her words and it's honestly disgusting.
I think another reason why the art community is so toxic is a majority of the audience is children/teens, and that age group has no idea what the difference between *harassment* and *accountability* is. A lot of the time, these kids/teens will harass creators when they do/say something wrong and if they're called out on the harassment they say something like _"I'm just holding them accountable!!!"_
that’s a very good point!! maybe if nothing else, recent events will teach them that distinction and maybe result in a little more maturity in the future.
@@DuchessCelestia I can only hope.
Looking at the past, when only adults were artists, they were a lot more reasonable
I think it's more their parents upbringing fault, not their age (but it's also plays a role).
You forgot the "They're a bad person so they deserve it"
One of my biggest issues in the art community is generally people who self deprecate themselves in order to compliment you and expect praise in return after their self deprecating behavior. Then if you don't answer of block them, you're apparently an egotistical jerk when in actuality you have boundaries and don't appreciate peoples deprecative behaviors? And people get up all in their feels over this or make you feel bad for drawing,,, then project their insecurities of their own art onto you and expect you to comfort them...
B R U H i feel that so much omg!! Big Agree
@@DuchessCelestia People will go so far to cancel others over this or call them toxic and bad mouth you cause you "didn't compliment them back" when they wer ehsaming themselves.... I block people who self deprecate when complimenting my art and don't feel an ounce of guilt.
that’s definitely fair, and i do the same!!
"Video about harassing people for having 'cringe' oc": One million views and 200 thousand likes
"Video about toxic nature of art community": 8 thousand views and 441 like
Humans crave violence, and sadly, that was truth for thousands of years
yep
Lovely work
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This isn't just true for art culture it's the same for everything. Which is a sad thing. People hide behind screens and feel vindicated in tearing someone's life up. It's awful. Thankful you're talking about this.
yes, very true!! it’s a terrifying thing, and even more terrifying is the fact that it doesn’t seem to have an end in sight ;;
The music culture can be blamed for this too.
I can't help but notice it is VERY similar to torch and pitchfork mobs ages ago.
I definitely get a little guilty pleasure in some drama channels but the repeat videos of "problematic people" is getting old. It's not fixing the issue and its not changing their behavior. I'm also getting so tired of the internet being the judge and jury on some things that really should be handled in court.
definitely fair!! and yeah, i don’t know where we get the moral authority to judge these people as if we’re some higher beings incapable of making the exact same mistakes 😞
For me, I feel desgusted when I see any drama
Agreed
The saddest part about the toxic nature of the art community is that "big creates" (people who have a large influence.) Almost never talk about this stuff, and are usually are the ones stirring up the drama. And on the rare occasion that they do talk about it they just don't change, or don't try to fix the situation.
agreed completely!!
I absolutely adore the way you drew Amber, the line art, the colours, the highlights. It’s so pretty 💕💕💕
ahhhh omg thank you so much!! ;u;
Fantastic discussion. I call this phenomena "purity culture", we as the viewing internet audience assign a pedestal to others and enforce that viewpoint as part of purity. When they do anything "problematic", especially minor, we get to assign ourselves the higher ground and talk down to them. It doesn't benefit anyone, and it's really problematic beyond the ridiculous way the internet runs-- it leads to adopting these polarized views on certain nuanced topics, sometimes leading us to extremist beliefs that genuinely are more hurtful (like segregating colleges by skin color again), oftentimes denying all people the ability to admit to a mistake and be forgiven for it. Why should anyone admit to making a mistake in 2022 when you know you're going to be clowned on by strangers? Canceled anyway for making a mistake? No, it leads to a full purity mindset. You can't just post your earnest opinions in your space, because your entire identity might be boiled down to a bad take and diminish all of the good you've ever done. A great example is I was canceled for saying Pokemon's Leon in SwSh doesn't demonstrate good care of his little brother, who is another character of color, which either makes him a malicious figure or an ignorant one to his family's struggle. Because of this claim that I was racist somehow for criticizing a fictional character of color, I lost my platform which I was actively using the sales for BLM donations to George Floyd's family.
If I ever join the art community I would NEVER talk. Just post art. I wouldn’t respond to anything.
Are you sure about that?
OHHHH BOY this is why I dont' have a twitter or really follow drama art channels anymore like Nawnii and Creepshowart
I get they want to bring a situation to light but it feels like they do more harm than good
with that being said really really REALLY problamatic artists like cristalli and a few other groomers are the exceptions in this case but my point still stand for the regular "he said, she said, oh i have reciepts" type drama.
EDIT; BOYYYYY DID THIS AGE WELL XD
i definitely feel you. i know their intentions are good though, and when proof is provided and the commentary is unbiased, they’re definitely helpful contributions to the community!! but blowing small stuff out of proportion has become way too widely accepted imo
I’m fine with Nawnii but JESUS CHRIST SHANNON 😭
As I'm listening to this, I have the dumbest grin on my face, because all the points I've been saying to my friends, peers, etc online- you hit all of them. Cancel Culture is honestly one of the many things that scare me in this day and age, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the art community. I purposefully avoid looking at art memes, speedpaints, and other channels like this because some of the talks are extremely repetitive, and only cover one side. That's why when I see topics like this come from youtubers who took time to do their research, look at all the sides, and come to a conclusion that I leave the video feeling content and informed. Aka, that is you :3
Btw, lovely genshin art. I kept staring at the lineart feverishly and wondering how the hell have I missed you as a talented human being. Tis illegal. Thou deserves more recognition. (And even though I can't play as Amber in genshin because I don't particularly like her, I fell in love with this drawing...curse you cute Baron bunny XD)
gOd this comment actually made me so happy that i had to close my phone and go tell my partner about it ;u; you have no idea how much that means to me. i try so so hard to be a channel people can trust not to be like that and that is just unbiased and informative, so hearing you say that is potentially the most validating comment i’ve ever received fjdjfkgkf
thank you so much for all of your kind words!! i’m so glad you liked the art and the video ;u; ❤️💙 i feel you with the amber thing tho omg
@@DuchessCelestia Awwh I'm happy that it made you happy! My daily motto is to spread the love, the good vibes, the guud kush XD
Also if I were to discuss my favorite character of Genshin, it's a tie between Zhongli and Diluc. Totally not because I have the hots for them...haha...yeah, totally
I completely agree with you, everyone does so little research on the situation thst it can damage not just a persons career but their mental health too.
exactly!! there have been so many dramas recently where i definitely didn’t agree with the creator being discussed, but it’s horrifying to see the way they’re being treated, and it’s awful to see that so many people respond to disagreeing with someone by sending them horrible hate.
Yes! People can be horrible over the internet. They tend to forget that theres another person on the other side of the screen. As someone who did got hate and kys messages it can be so disgusting and horrible. I naver get how some people can sent messages like that. Now its more of canceling a person than educating them.
yes, exactly!!
i'm so glad this video got the most votes because i actually wanted/requested for a video like this too. art is where you can express yourself freely and honestly, it's sad that racism is an issue in the community.
it sucks to have to think on what you should and should not draw or include in your art piece, because you are worried on getting criticized based on the color of the character, or the eyes, or maybe even the size of the nose. in my opinion, if the art is appropriate then there's nothing wrong with it. 💕
by the way, i love the coloring of this one (probably my favorite). 🥰
yes, exactly!! it’s awful beyond words that these problems are still continuing to be so prominent and damaging.
and thank you so much!! 💙❤️
The toxicity of the art community never fails to scare me away from participating in any community project.
If there is one person that decided to hate your guts they will do their best to spread misinformation about you and be sure you can not set foot in any project at all. The best part is; I never got the chance to talk about this because their reaction was to instantly ban me from any media.
Me talking about this issue (without any names involved) in a sarcastic way on my profile as in "oh so it's ok to treat people like that, cool thanks." is apparently toxic and another reason for me to be canceled ... yeah nice.
This all is just so surreal to me and I kinda wanna laugh and cry at the same time, because at one side it is good that group did not let me in because there is something seriously wrong with their ways and it's better not be part of that, but on the other hand it hurts being silenced and targeted by accusation without ever the chance to explain or talk for oneself in this matter.
And I am sorry to put that in your comment section, but this happened just recently and takes up my mind and I need to get this off my chest, I guess.
Thank you for your video and your words, I wish more people would consider things just like you did here.
I wish you well~
i’m so sorry to hear about everything you’re dealing with. it’s horrible how easy it is societally to just shun, harass, mistreat and ‘cancel’ a person because other people are doing it and because anonymity protects them from the consequences of doing so - it’s disheartening and disappointing, and i’m so sorry to hear that you’ve dealt with that firsthand ;;
Thank you kindly for your reply.
It's been some days now and I am starting to light up again. My friends helped me cheering up but also watching your videos on that matter since they gave me a feel of security. When a bunch of people attack you for something you kinda start questioning yourself, so thank you for your help.
Have a wonderful day~
i’m so happy to hear that things are going better for you now, and i’m so glad that i’ve been able to help via videos too! the community can be a dark place, but there’s a lot of light and good in it too!
Just remember that the internet is not the real world. The best type of revenge is success.
And that why I hate this part of the art Community so damn much Especially miss information and not
Enough evidence to back it up (but many people believe it anyway because they think they’re right all the time ) and what I really hate is that they advertise especially from a freaking friend that they find out is toxic or over advertising . Like there’s nothing wrong getting money and promoting if you want to career out of it , but how you set it up is very uncomfortable 😓 (in my opinion) .
yeah, i definitely understand that!
-ah man i felt callout-
You know i was one of the sheep just following the drama, unfollowing and not supporting the creator after the callout happened. But everytime the drama cooling down and then a new information coming out telling the creator is innocent, I ended up feel so bad because that always happened all the time and for some reason I fell into the same hole again and again, i feel like an idiot now.
Rn i'm really trying to not looking at drama, it's really damaging to look at thag kind of content everydray.
i totally understand, and you definitely shouldn’t feel like an idiot for that. this stuff is so widely accepted as okay that questioning it can be difficult, and you shouldn’t feel bad for it - as long as we all try to be more aware and proactive in the future, that’s what matters!
@@DuchessCelestia
Thank you for understanding 🙏🙏🙏
Like this mentallity really needs to stop, people shouldn't bring a lot of heat into the drama and just jumping to conclusion. It's just sad that this happens very frequently
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how beautifuly you've drawn Amber? 🥺 I can't wait to see your future genshin impact drawings in the future! Also, you video sums up very well my thoughts on the art commentary community (also, it can be applied to any other type of commentary community. Let's not forget that this happens to other communities as well and it's really disheartening. )
oh my gosh thank you so much ;; ❤️💙 and yes, that’s a very good point!!
Believe it or not but people have accused me of being a ‘MAP’ because I shipped two ADULT FICTIONAL characters who one of which is a demon and another is a human. And so because of the age gap between them, they started to call me a MAP. But the thing that’s funny about this is, not only am I a child, or was at the time of shipping these two characters, but the fact they called me a MAP for shipping two characters just because of a completely legal age gap. So by their own logic, the people who created Twighlight are MAPS because Edward is a hundred year old Vampire and Bella is a human being.
Yet when I tried to make that comparison they completely gaslighted me.
ohhhh god i’m so sorry to hear that, the internet can be a terrifying place when people decide that they’re right and you’re wrong. that sounds awful, and i’m really sorry you had to deal with it ;;
@@DuchessCelestia oh my I actually wasn’t expecting you to respond xD but thank you:’) and yeah, I just wanted to make you aware of that since some people from the cancel culture falsely accuse people of extreme stuff that can be highly damaging to that person’s reputation and mental well being. I also actually had a friend accused for the same stuff and for the same reasons, but she too is also younger than me. It’s baffling though how people have the nerve to throw around damaging and false info like that. And I wonder if that’s what has been happening to some big content creators sometimes too. :(
But nonetheless thanks for the reply ^^ you’ve really made my day by that, and I hope you have a wonderful day or night too
i agree, false accusations (or accusations based on opinion but treated as fact) can be damaging beyond belief ;; i definitely agree that big creators are dealing with similar stuff as well. it’s terrifying to live in a society where someone can just accuse you of something with no factual basis to it and your life could very well be ruined.
and i’m glad to hear that!! ;; you have a wonderful day too!
I've seen this so many times. People seem to not know the difference between shipping a minor with an adult and shipping two adult characters with a big age gap between them
Spot on tbh. It really does suck about how the commentary and art community as a whole has degraded.
agreed!
Litrally the best video I've seen on cancel culture in general let alone the toxic mess that is the art community
bruh omg thank you so much
Honestly this whole cancel culture/herd mentality is why I feel such strong dissonance towards the community that I've been a part of for so many years, and in a way feel a strong contempt for it. I take guilty pleasure in watching the drama unfold in the sense that I love watching this cesspool of a community crash and burn again and again without really commenting on it or really becoming emotionally involved. Why should I care when its members have repeatedly proven themselves to be ignorant, childish, and malicious? Why should I care when the drama channels that comment on it are only out there to sensationalize it and to push narratives for profit? It's disgusting. So disgusting and stupid and petty that it's amusing. It's incredible how many people seemingly lack the ability to think for themselves.
You’re deathly underrated oml
ahhh tysm ;;
Im a full fledged artist and thank god im no part of this whole Bullshit lol
fair enough lmao
Only thing I didagree with is thr statement that white artists would never have to deal with the same thing the example artist you brought up had to deal with. (Sorry, I don't trust myselfe to spell her name right >.< I'm not even sure if I heard it right!) And the reason I disagree with, is that twitter exists and that both asian and european artists abd cosplayers have been bashed and witch hunted for doing similar things as well. For example drawing disney princesses with switched clothes/roles, or cosplaying characters that are dark skined, or, in rare ocations mainly regarding asian cosplayers in this specific example, cosplaying characters with lighter skin. Mainly by beeing called racist and the other usual harassment.
It feels like an over all sickness spreading around, not stopping at anyone. People just somehow really love destroying people for portraying themselfes/creating crossovers or similar things of stuff that makes them happy. They just use different methods to attack different people.
I find it really sad. Becouse no one deserves that for simply trying to have fun!
Awesome video! The sad thing about cancel culture and toxicity is that some people don't seem to want to give that creator another chance to right their wrongs. If a creator did something bad (like accidentally insult someone) and they were legitimately sorry about their actions and want to change for the better, they are immediately shot down and the people refuse to forgive them, despite the fact that the creator is trying to change for the better. All this toxicity and cancel culture is just causing people to not be able to grow as people and learn from their mistakes and instead, puts in this harmful notion that everyone should be perfect, despite the fact that nobody is perfect.
Talking points aside (which I agree with a hundred and ten percent you were very well spoken about all of these recurring issues and it was a joy to listen to).
I just wanted to say that I actually felt like I learned a few things in watching how you shaded the colors in your artwork in the speedpaint. It's very beautifully shaded. I would love to watch a video where you go into detail about how you choose to color and paint your work.
You're an extremely underrated content creator and you deserve more attention.
oh my gosh i don’t even know what to say to that!! i still consider myself very much an amateur, so the idea that someone found something valuable art-wise to learn from in one of my videos is,,, super crazy oh my gOsh ;; i would love to make a video like that!! i don’t feel like my technical skill is nearly good enough yet to be intentionally teaching anything, but i can at least do a walk through/explanation of how i work!!
thank you so much!! ;u; ❤️💙
@@DuchessCelestia Don't even mention it.
you absolutely should!! i’d love another art channel to cherish and cry over hahaha ❤️💙
Holy smokes. This was a very intelligent video. It's very easy to point fingers or abuse people online when anonymity is involved. Great discussion. I'd sub 3 times if I could.
I've pondered on making a video similar to this and maybe even taking more nuanced views on drama as it pops up, critisizing the way people go about "holding creators accountable". I remember feeling so confused when people were attacking Hopeless Peaches, and I was even more confused to see people immediately turn on their heels and support her again. So many people online refuse to think for themselves when situation like that pop up. Unfortunately, the people who pull the most attention are the ones bashing others over pointless drama that could have been settled privately. It's a shame that the art community is one of the most toxic ones.
agreed completely!! i feel like it’s a combination of people failing to do their own research or develop their own opinions and just trusting the loudest voice at the time to inform them about the situation, and people actually knowing that a person is being wrongfully cancelled but being too afraid to go against those loudest voices saying otherwise because they don’t want to join the creator in the cancelled corner. the way public opinion is weaponized to both cancel undeserving creators and keep audiences who don’t agree with it silent out of fear is deeply concerning, and i feel like the hopeless peaches situation exemplifies that really well. it’s really disheartening, and it’s even more so because i can’t see that changing or improving any time soon unless the internet starts becoming a safer place to have and share opinions that differ from what call-outs and expose videos say we should believe
@@DuchessCelestia but people can't handle different opinions 😭
i watch a lot of videos about people getting cancel [its started to show up in my recommended allot Lately] And allot of the videos on the same person are exactly the same, and almost non had any evidence Instead just showed what other you tuber's said, showing the exact same words that person had said, the issue i have with cancel culture is that they give almost no proof to there claims the only "proof" they'd ever show is A video from another you tuber who say's the exact same thing. The saddest there's more savior matter's that nobody[or only small creators ] talks about , And the issue goes almost no were biggest the major channel's who should talk about the issues don't.
hope that makes sense- Love your content!
agreed completely!! what i really want is a commentary channel that objectively disassembles dramas into facts and information rather than repeats the same narrative that all the drama channels are spewing without any proof ;;
and thank you!! ❤️💙
Art community? Is that what we're calling wild screaming monkeys now?
this is why I mind my own business when it comes to drama in the art community
I don't send harassment to anyone regardless of how bad they are- if you're thinking about harassing someone- pleas don't. Just ignore them and pretend they don't exist.
I relate way too much to your intro lmao. I’m so tempted to turn my art channel into genshin fan art
I’ve also looked into the toxic art community a lot and almost made a video about it, but everything I want to say has already been said by other content creators
It’s so relaxing to watch you draw and listen to you talk!!!
ahhhh i’m so happy you enjoy it!! ;u; ❤️💙
@@DuchessCelestia your welcome you deserve it you are so underrated!
ahhHHh that’s really kind of you to say ;;
This needs to stop
Imagine being an artist as a kid and drawing p*dophelia but then years later as you are an adult and knowing that is wrong you appologize for the drawing. But some angry kids call you a "p*dophile" for drawing that kind of stuff with ocs. This is an example from TheGreatRouge drama that still bothers me till this day and i hate it when people say my oppinion on this drama is "valid" when it's just an oppinion.
Most youtubers/artists who are called out of p*dophelia are men and adult woman where some people have screenshots of a person doing p*dophelia. Calling an artist a "p*do" for drawing it instead of doing it feels wrong. And i was cancelled over "names" i never used on amino.
OK I DIDN'T WATCHED THE VIDEO YET BUT THIS IS BY FAR ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL DRAWING U EVER PUT ON THE THUMBNAIL THE IMPROVEMENT !$!$!$#$#!@$
AHHHHH OMG THANK U SO MUCH
your linework,,, its so pretty
ahhh thank you!! ;u; ❤️💙
How the heck do I get that good on procreate?! How does everyone but me have these beautiful clean sketches underneath? I gotta learn so much more. Great video too btw.
oh my gosh, i was exactly the same with it for a long time, it’s not just you!! as soon as you get the hang of all its tools, it starts getting a lot easier ❤️💙 and thank you!!
Why is it that whenever someone on the internet does something bad (either major or minor), they are told to leave and never come back.
I mean I also tell people to get off the internet but only because they'd be better without it
I wonder if it's in part because the internet itself is rather young. Online communication has evolved a lot and is a fairly recent in its place in the world, so it would make sense that it's still catching up with its social rules and expected behavior. Not that it's in any way excusable for people to do these kinds of things, but it is interesting to think about
I've literally been binging your videos to the point that I've watched every single one i-
omg you have no idea how happy that makes me ;; i’m so glad you enjoy them!!
@@DuchessCelestia :D I have been loving channels like this, you're so under rated! There are a BUNCH of channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers that can't even beat your content tbh.
oh my gosh im gonna happy cry don’t test me- thank you so much!!
@@DuchessCelestia hahaha lol its so true though! You really deserve more.
yeah uh ppl calling her a hypocrite don’t know what it means… she’s allowed to have a moral base and can be against certain things as long she isn’t toxic about it. If she was toxic then yea hypocrite, but having a opinion on a matter isn’t hypocritical. Someone can dislike/critique things, get over it.
and if anyone wants to argue me on that, just don’t. I personally don’t care, nor is my mind going to change. It’s better off if we mind our business, than cause a petty war.
I just looked at thumens art and it's amazing!
I love how you do the hair here. It looks so brassy and definitely how I wish my hair looked in real life haha
Please oh my god tell me what that clothing blur brush (Like the one you used for the hair shading) is, it would solve all of my problems
it’s “master smudge” by jingsketch!!
anime is an art style that mostly comes from japan but that does not mean that someone not from japan can not be drawn in that style
Honestly. As thing are people are just gonna get more toxic and more dramas are gonna happen. Hopefully I’m wrong
i hope not, but it’s certainly looking that way ;;
I really like your picture it’s really pretty!
These videos remind me not to download Twitter thank you
Unfortunately Duchess Celestia is part of the Twitter crowd
I’m an artist who is starting to be more and more popular in the Omori fandom and that genuinely makes me feel a bit scared, because i perfectly know what kind of shit happens when you are popular, people start seeing you as a perfect god/goddess who wouldn’t do anything wrong instead of a human being that makes mistakes and will go extremely wild if you make a really little mistake. Every human has their own flaws and shouldn’t be expected to be perfect. Ofc, everyone makes mistakes but that’s just a part of life and we all learn from those mistakes.
(Sorry if my english is bad, it’s not my native language lol)
You say this is a “past few months” thing, but this kind of toxicity in the art community has existed for as long as I’ve been on the internet (1997-98, I think, not counting local BBS and things like that).
Anyway, my point is that this is not new. It might be new to you, but it has been going on for decades. Since as long as people have been sharing their artwork online in any sort of public view. I know people who have been harassed, defamed, ”cancelled”, and ultimately took all their stuff offline. I even know of someone who threw their portfolio away and has never picked up a pen since - and they were an amazing artist.
And, actually, you can certainly hear about it from before the internet as well; but we’re talking about the internet, which has definitely enabled a much more widespread and public view of it.
It is really sad and detestable how mean people can and will be. How people will gang up on someone. How people just want to hurt other people.
As for the exact issue you mention about a POC drawing herself as an anime character, I have heard of that and still don’t get the issue. There are literally black anime characters (rare, but still). Anyway, my heart goes out to that person and anyone else it has or is happening to. I’m so sorry.
Your art style is Soo cool I hope one day I can draw like you 😁
oh my gosh thank you so much!!! ;u; ❤️💙
I’m leaving a comment because I heard it was good for the algorithm
omg thank you ;;
At least I know why you're too good to play League with me now
WTF I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN
I love °^° your vibes you sound calm and pretty voice
The whole AI art community is toxic on both sides.
The people who made Ai - toxic
People using ai - (some are okay but the ones who post ABoUT the ai art debate are pretty toxic)
The Artists on sites who may or may not have been used have been pretty toxic…
Like Both sides dog pile on anyone trying to see the others side
The way you speak kinda reminds me of dreamalgia tbh, Which I enjoy
VERY TRUE !! PREAACH
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS!!!
I agree. ⭐️🌹🕊
What brush do you use for line art? I also use procreate and the way you do your lines is sooo smooth and nice to look at 👀
I was "cancelled" in 2020 For saying a word i just learnt existed and didnt know was bad , And it caused me to be burnt at a stake practicly by an army of 9 year olds lead by People who have petty
revenge plots against me for little arguements or stupid things that would and have happened years and years ago when me and those people where younger
And they used this to lie about me being some big monster. And for the whole year i was misgendered and deadnamed by all of them, even having my meltdowns from my autisum used against me by them knowing what triggers/makes them go on , I struggle to calm down whenever i have them and im not even sure why but thats not the point. They basicly made me lose every single person i loved And constantly goated and clowned me every time i spoke or posted anything even if it didnt relate to anything they where saying. And they would pin people i loved and cared about against me and lied to them about me constantly, Spreading things like "She`s transphobic, homophobic, everything phobic etc etc!!"" Something along the lines of that. And i`m a ftm aswel as homosexual. so this makes absolutely no sense to me how they thought that made any sense, I`m not fully saying what happened becuase its really graphic and nasty and i dont think anyone wants to hear much about a 13 year old being harrased into a attempt to end therselves by a group of confused children being lead by a 17 year old sadist who wanted nothing but to see me lose everything i loved just becuase I said one word that i barely knew much about at the time. And even when i`d do something wrong or say something genuinly wrong. It wasnt the type of things they where trying to say i was doing or that i had done, They where worse then me with what they had been doing. I`ll sugar coat it here because i dont want anyone to feel more uncomfortable if it already is making them.
They would call Me names/label me constantly . most commonly "Toxic" "clown" even some despite their preaching about how slurs are horrible calling me the R word .
They also would intentionally and i mean INTENTIONALLY Cause me to panic and scream at them because i had no idea what to do sense it was always 50 vs 1
They would use it as black mail and publicly put me on blast on their blogs for the stupidest of things . aswel as much. much more things they`ve said.
as someone that had to deal with that side of cancel culture, I can just say. Jesus christ i hope this dies down eventually because now that this is So frequant it could happen to anyone.
Even someone whos preteen or even younger at this point in time from what i know. They`re very very vicious when it comes to chosing who to tear apart (cancel culture wise ) Its good when its actual bad people, But the problem obviously comes when its a literal child/minor infact just ANYONE easily affected by these kinds of things
They dont stop even when you beg them to or do ANYTHING to make it clear you want them too
They dont stop when you appologise for what you havent even done, and they proceed to pick apart your appology And lie about it being made up looking for any reason to call it a bluff.
I`M really sorry if this is messy But talking about this makes me nervous so i end up scrambling around but
The damadge from cancel culture Is extremely horrific depending on who severe it was of an experience and for me ive been left with paralizing fear anytime im put into A situation simaler to it or any conflict in fact. I cant imagine how horrible the trauma/ptsd people have after they`ve been attacked by not just hundreds or tens like me, BUT THOUSANDS , MILLIONS depending on there popularity. in a community i used to mostly be in a 14 year old was cancelled because their style was simaler to another person in the community, yes. THEIR ART STYLE. and they where attacked by thousands maybe even millions of people. I think things have died down with that sort of part of the issue but i can only hope sense i havent checked in a whilleee..
Anime characters come in all body shapes, sizes, and skin tones. It makes no sense to say a Black woman should not make herself into an anime character when Black people already exist in anime, i.e., Machiko from Machiko and Hatchin, Mohammad Ali Jr and Oliver from Baki, Canary from Hunter x Hunter.
Id be very ok to see less Art Commentary videos. As an artist myself i feel like this has just become more harmful to the art community and just another way for some artists to just start unnecessary drama
yeah, that’s definitely understandable!
@@DuchessCelestia I think no matter where you go, or no matter what art scene you are apart of, there is always going to be drama or cliques. but i just wonder if some of these AC vids can just unintentionally add more fuel to a fire.
@RadioactiveVikings oh, absolutely - conflict is impossible to avoid in any environment where large numbers of people interact, but things are definitely getting worse as of late. it's just so frustrating because there's really no right answer - even if commentators are trying to just make things better and respectfully, constructively comment, they're still risking just making matters worse by dragging it out. i'm in the same boat myself - i want to talk about these things, but it's so difficult to do so without unintentionally making matters worse ;; @RadioactiveVikings oh, absolutely - conflict is impossible to avoid in any environment where large numbers of people interact, but things are definitely getting worse as of late. it's just so frustrating because there's really no right answer - even if commentators are trying to just make things better and respectfully, constructively comment, they're still risking just making matters worse by dragging it out. i'm in the same boat myself - i want to talk about these things, but it's so difficult to do so without unintentionally making matters worse ;;
@@DuchessCelestia I feel like its gotten very bad. I know a lot of stuff came out because of CS but there were so many artists that got dragged through the mud for absolutely no reason. I strongly believe a hopless peaches is "retired" fully because of videos that weaponized her mental health against her. And im sorry but i know there are a lot of fans of Omnia, but i feel she is slowly becoming problematic and is also one of the folks who truly milked HP's sitaution and used speculation over fact causing many to go against HPs. And then there was never really an apology. And i know this is probably considered an unpopular opinion but i just really don't appreciate art commentary videos especially ones that go after other artists.
This is any community honestly. Look at what people did to JK Rowling. NO ONE ACTUALLY READ WHAT SHE WROTE. And they started piling lies after lies just to emphasize how mean she is when she honestly wasn't. They kept twisting her words and it's honestly disgusting.
This video is EXTREMELY hypocritical from you
I love you art btw, looks so yummy and edible
i understand what the cancel culture community is like, i am cancelled nonstop for the way i cope with my trauma.. it is unfair..