Cut (1979) by The Slits. Even though they were original Punks, the band waited a long time to refine their sound before putting out a record. Cut is Post-Punk album. One of the very best.
The women fronted punk bands of that era were just amazing and as you said, always danceable. Raincoats, Slits, Essential Logic and Maximum Joy are a few that come to mind and are all great!
Another one of your truly amazing and informative videos! I never heard of the Young Marble Giants, and now I am excited to listen to their debut and only album. Thanks for the heads up ☆
Yeah, my favorite video so far! I've been obsessed with all the bands you listed most of my life. Had a post-punk radio show in college in the late 80s and briefly with public radio (Dr. Fester's Bucket O' Nasties!). It took a few years of flipping through used bins, but I did snag a couple holy grails at the time, 15+ years before they were finally reissued on CD -- The Sound and The Comsat Angels. Recommended for fans of Joy Division, Echo and U2. Rhino is reissuing the first three essential Sound albums on colored vinyl, for some reason only in the UK, but you can actually pre-order them for domestic pricing on Amzn. You won't regret it! The first three Magazine albums are also being reissued on Friday, also on colored vinyl! Those are also on Amzn, but priced about $6-8 more each. Sorry 'bout yr wallet Mazzy! As many astute fans noted in the comments below, The Chameleons, who came along just after took a thread from the Comsats. It's tough to compare bands with just 2-3 albums with ones with massive catalogs, but here's my rough ranking, where most of the key releases for me were 1978-84. 1. Wire 2. Joy Division 3. The Cure 4. The Sound 5. The Comsat Angels 6. The Chameleons 7. Echo & The Bunnymen 8. The Birthday Party 9. Siouxsie & The Banshees 10. Killing Joke 11. The Fall 12. Magazine 13. Bauhaus 14. The Slits 15. Gang Of Four 16. Public Image Ltd. 17. The Stranglers 18. Opposition 19. U2 20. The Raincoats 21. XTC 22. The Psychedelic Furs 23. Modern Eon 24. The Teardrop Explodes 25. Au Pairs 26. Young Marble Giants 27. The Church 28. And Also The Trees 29. Simple Minds 30. Sad Lovers and Giants 31. The Passions 32. The Soft Boys 33. Breathless 34. Lowlife 35. Tubeway Army 36. Ultravox 37. The Associates 38. Scars 39. Music For Pleasure 40. The Passage There's bands like XTC that I'd rank higher overall when talking about their entire catalog, but their post-punk era arguably ended in 1982-83. Conversely, bands like U2 and Simple Minds devolved into bands I didn't like at all later on. Early Tubeway Army and Ultravox were probably more of a hybrid of glam, punk, soon to become synthpop. Japan could also fit into that niche. One new discovery is a French band with an American singer, Orchestre Rouge with albums in 1982-83. The singer, Theo Hakola, then formed Passion Fodder, which had a very Bad Seeds kind of sound, then a bunch of solo albums.
@@B.B.Amsterdamexcellent albums. Also, one of my favorites is the the lesser known Propaganda. 1979 recordings, released in 1999. Some great alternate versions of a few songs on Jeopardy and a bunch of non album tracks.
Pretty decent list. I have records by most of them, especially early singles. I would have to include The Fall as they are the band I have most records by. Did you know Ian McCulloch, Julian Cope and Pete Wylie (of Wah! Heat) were all in a band together in Liverpool called Crucial Three before starting their respective bands?
Great vid as always. I totally agree about the comments about Wire.shout outs to The Chameleons or Chameleons UK in the US. Cowboys international, The Sound,Sad Lovers and Giants, The Pop Group, Magazine, John Foxx’s version of Ultravox! Etc etc
Your video sold me on Ocean Rain. I had resisted for decades (loved the first 3 Echo lps always. They had a Doorsy-psych sound and great jangly guitars. I think they covered People Are Strange in a film soundtrack). I saw them on that tour at the Ontario Theatre in DC. Lots of hair and dry ice. Ever listened to Delta 5? See the Whirl was one of my favorite lps from the early 80s that I picked up as a blind purchase (the other 2: Angry Samoans - couldn't resist cover or song titles, and REM's Chronic town ep).
Saw Young Marvel Giants in 1980 at Northern Poly in London supported by Liliput and Essential Logic. It made for a special evening. Being a young student in those days, I spent more time in clubs than uni. Saw all the bands you showcased here except Smiths. The Au Pairs was a great band on stage and their two albums were outstanding. Siouxsie and the Banshees were an experience to see before they got signed (and after that as well). Great video.
As another poster has said Comsat Angels would be my favourite band in this genre. Their Independence Day, Echo and the Bunnyman's Crocodiles and When I Dream by Teardrop Explodes indicated the whole music scene seemed to have changed for the better. If you don't know it try giving a listen to Sleep No More which is generally thought to be their masterpiece though I prefer Waiting for a Miracle and Fiction
"Sleep No More" was such a great LP. Another band from that era, although a little later were The Chameleons , and their, "Script of the Bridge" LP... quite stunning, too. Cheers!
HI Mazzy - I've been watching your videos for a few months now. Although I've been a pro musician in the UK all my working life I was in the trad folk music field, and as a result haven't even heard of most of the bands you mention! So I'm using you as a resource to check out your recommendations. I'm mostly enjoying - I really liked XTC's English Settlement ( no really, I'd never heard of them) - very creative songwriting, and will have a listen to Au Pairs and some of the others you came up with.Keep p the good work!
Hey Mazzy! Depeche Mode = Martin Gore... >> Killing Joke = *Martin Glover* aka 'Youth' ... The debut 10" e.p. from Killing Joke on Malicious Damage, released in Oct. '79 - "Turn to Red" e.p., had serious elements of dub along w/ the amazingly unique guitar sound of 'Geordie' Walker (r.i.p.). Also a very, very powerful live band. Great video highlighting some really excellent post-punk bands from late '78 onwards. Good to see Au Pairs getting a mention. I also still love Swell Maps from that era; utterly unclassifiable from release to release, but so innovative & influential. (S. Youth were massive fans...).
@@mazzysmusic Always pleased to help out if/where I can, Mazzy. Been enjoying your channel for quite a long, long time now! So interesting & informative... all the very best from Japan (ex-Scotland).
Great list, cool video. Impossible to name every band, but for me Wire has to be there. In 3 albums - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, and 154 they moved from punk, to post-punk, to a genre of their own. Thanks, Stuart
Glad to see you feature The Au Pairs. I haven't listened to them for a while, so thanks for reminding me! "It's Obvious" is my favourite track, I think.
That's the one, all right......a great way to close an album all about gender politics, with an irresistable dance tune and the universal message: "You're equal, but different. It's obvious....." Clinching.
@@mazzysmusic + Atmosphere : First UK Pressing, A PORKY PRIME CUT. For me, Atmosphere is more rarified than Love Will Tear Us Apart. Atmosphere is closest to the sense of loss and LWTUA is about loss from a safer distance. The snowscene cover art is also pitched perfectly - a cold, still beauty. (dead wax matrix : HERE ARE THE YOUNG MEN / BUT WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN )
Excellent list...would also add Gary Numan and Tubeway Army. His first three albums are amazing, and have stood up well over time. Talking about dark overtones and heavy bass, check out M.E. one of my favorite songs of all time, and right in this post-punk sweet spot.
That time was my early student days - such memories! Reward by Teardrop Explodes is one of my favourites from that era. Can you believe we used to dance to it lol. I have that 12” of Dear Prudence and I still play it a lot. It’s superb. Cheers for a great video Mazzy!
Had fun watching this one, Mazzy, and as always, appreciated your perspectives, especially the idea that post punk are the more layered of the punk bands. I always think of you sorta coming to age in the the music of 60s and 70s but it's obvious you are also a product of the 80s. Very cool. I have to say, after decades of sorta hating The Smiths, I have a new found love for Johnny Marr's guitar, but I still just can't get on board with Morrissey's voice. For the life of me, I can't understand how one can get past his over-melodramatic singing style. But I love Robert Smiths voice and I suppose they're somewhat comparable. Did you remember instantly taking to The Smiths, or did it take time? Love me some Echo and the Bunnymen, Siouxie and the Banshees, and adore the Pogues, Bless you for including them! I had the good fortunate to see them and meet Shane once. Looking forward to your next video.
Good choices all; one that I'd consider essential that's conspicuous by its absence is Magazine. Howard DeVoto was originally in Buzzcocks, John McGeogh later joined Siouxsie and the Banshees, and they brought a good dose of prog sound to post-punk; brilliant stuff... Ian McCollough and Julian Cope used to be in a band together in Liverpool; that's why 'Books' is on both 'Crocodiles' and 'Kilamanjaro', both totally classic albums. As somebody else mentioned, Wire were also somebody I'd have put in such a list, and they're still going strong.
Mazzy, that was a great video on the post punk bands from the UK, I hope you can do a part 2, The Fall, Robin Hitchcock & the Egyptians, Magazine, the House Martins, Wire, 80s output. xtc.
My original factus import copy of Closer is one of the best, cleanest, albums I own. Great production. Super quiet vinyl pressing. Also, Gang of Four 'Entertainment' on emi import, very nice. So is 'Solid Gold'. After those, just ho hum stuff. All nice choices overall from you. Thank you!
You turned me on the Intrigue Box Set curated by Steven Wilson.. that set captured the 80s post punk, but also had some cool largely unknown recordings.. thanks for that recommendation because it’s one of my favorite box sets
The post-punk years were my college years in Liverpool and Manchester so they are at the heart of my favourite music (and probably why I love Radiohead and the National now). Amazing that the Cure have a new album out - my vinyl copy arrives tomorrow! You listed so many great bands, I could only think of Wire and Psychedelic Furs to add.
Love love that you featured the Au Pairs. Don't get enough recognition for their uniqueness. That debut Cure LP was lo-fi a decade before Sebadoh claimed to have invented it. Which is why I love The Cure's cover of Foxy Lady, taking all the ooom ph out of it - wonderful stuff
...and the cassette played poptones...One of my two or three favourite rock genres. Add to your list The Pop Group, Section 25, Durutti Column, Chameleons, the Passions, Orange Juice, Wire. '78-'83 was a cool time for music; the era of some great independent labels.
The Au Pairs. Interesting how band just vaporized in the US. I had (still do!) a copy of “Urgh! A Music War.” Loved the Au Pairs doing “Come Again.” It had hat great long-decay chime on the guitars that was a signature of the times.
I used to work at the Warfield in SF. Did you know that they have an old Speakeasy in the basement way in the back with Limelights on the stage! Saw My Bloody Valentine there.
@@mazzysmusic backstage, there is a basement level access, and if you go way back thru some hallway, its there. Most people didn't know about it because it was a secret bar during prohibition, but being as I worked there and new the manager, I would explore.
Only recently saw Peter Hook & The light tour , the Joy Division set by far the best on the night , great band , great memories, just sad losing Ian Curtis , who knows what he would have gone on to write , radio stations will be playing Love will tear us apart , for years and years to come .
Good historical points made . Hope you ready to move on to Japan, World party and Scritti Politti. Great to have such detailed interest in British post punk bands from across the pond. Also a point about Elvis Costello producing early Pogues, Squeeze and the Specials?
I enjoyed your list, Mazzy. There’s a very good YMG Colossal Youth box set worth seeking out. My list would include the Mekons, Wire, Stranglers, Magazine, Buzzcocks and the Wedding Present. Everybody has their favorites. Oh The Jam and Psychedelic Furs too.
Hey Peter, thanks for visiting and watching. So I apparently saw you perform at least twice all those years ago. How come these records aren't available today? They are so great!!!
@mazzysmusic ...they all came out on cd..a small amount of Playing with a different Sex was reissued on vinyl..but in January both albums are being released on coloured vinyl 1000 copies..message me then..
Good list and Echo & the Bunnymen one of my fav and that said as I´m from Iceland the cover photo on the Porcupine album is taken by the waterfall Gullfoss in Iceland. They came here to film the video for song The Cutter by the frozen waterfall.
Wow I only have 2 of my original Live band recordings love and rockets live at the commodore ballroom where the sound is so so and the other is killing joke live at the Luv affair. And the sound is amazing also saw gang of four and taped the cure a forest tour, souisie and the banshees echo and the bunnymen and magazine all around the same time. Got pictures of me with X, the cramps and the clash in front of my old 59 Pontiac. Wow sounds like you would have been hanging with the people that I hung with if you were from Vancouver. Your gonna get sick of my stories my buddies and I were probably a bunch of posers, but we made it a mission to meet as many of our heroes and did a pretty good job of it
Could also be mentioned: The Scars, Durutti Column, the Skids on their third and fourth albums, some other Liverpool groups like Pink Military and the early It's Immaterial.
All these artists are so, so good. I have some albums by most of them but it is so strange what you end up buying in your teens and young adult around 1980, when I had little money to spend and living in Iceland. There are so many bands I loved and love but still don't have their albums or just one or two, so strange.
This is my happy place. I'm a bit younger but got into all this dark stuff as a kid in the mid 80's. It all seemed so ancient and mysterious at the time. I was more of an east coast skate rat so I was listening to underground hardcore and punk stuff and Hip Hop was just coming into form (circa 83-84) this was all underground music then. College radio kept me alive. As subversive as hardcore was, it got so macho and stunted that I simply got bored and digressed into the U.K. scene. I was lucky to have some older friends who turned me on to the staples and you could actually get some decent stuff from those Columbia house 12 cassettes for a penny back then. Before I got into vinyl I had piles of tapes from The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, REM, got those all cheap. I loved Gang of Four, Wire and PIL. Eventually I got into darker stuff, Joy Division, Bauhaus, Early Siouxsie, one of my first proper shows was seeing Peter Murphy on his Deep tour. I learned to play bass as a teenager by playing along with Cure and Joy Division, such simple infectious stuff. Coincidentally, I just did a live set here in SF recently and we covered New Dawn Fades, which I played on guitar, so not much has changed! Lol.
You. ALMOST got an A+…. but you left out THE CHAMELEONS. (known as The Chameleons UK over in the States). From Manchester, they explosed onto the scene with one of the greatest debut albums in rock history: “Script Of The Bridge” is perfect from beginning to end. Twin guitar attack joined by a great rhythm section… brilliantly dark lyrics (featuring one song “Here Today” about the death of John Lennon, told from his perspective… a masterpiece that is one of the most haunting songs I’ve ever heard.) Three albums then done. …for a long, long time. They reunited years later and I flew from San Francisco to London, then took a train to Manchester to see the performance. I’ve seen hundreds of shows… and to this day, it remains one of, if not THE greatest live performances I’ve witnessed. People came from around the world to see the shows. Dynamic band on vinyl AND live. Also agree with people who include WIRE in their list. Also: Shout out to INTERPOL, (who sounded almost exactly like THE CHAMELEONS).
I saw The Chameleons just recently at Levitation in Austin! They played Strange Times in it's entirety, with a few early songs as an encore, plus one from the new EP.
@@Fastnbulbous1969 That sounds amazing! It’s such a shame that their drummer, John Lever, passed away and that Dave is still not on good terms with Mark… but Mark and Reg have reallyl done a great job holding down the fort.
Hi Mazzy! There's a thin line between darkness and beauty. All those bands and The post punk movement got The fresh of original punk and picked Up from psychedelia, funk, gothic, folk, pop, tecno... Mixing different kind of music and got this own style with an inteligence and genuine outstanding level and out of The typical new wave pop genre in those years. Simply they evolutioned. I like you had open ears and apreciate these bands. Highly recommended HUMAN LEAGUE "Dare" 1979 a band that changed his style from The first two LPs into a tecno pop style. Thanks for sharing and keep going
I also appreciate the music of Killing Joke. Some excellent songs on every album, but I am especially fond of Brighter than a Thousand Suns. With the passing of their long time guitar player, I would be surprised if they continue to make records. Also, I was surprised to not see XTC mentioned.
Very enjoyable video covering many excellent bands. Thank you for this. Saw Gang of Four live once here in NYC at Irving Plaza and they were tremendous. Just one thing. You say in your opinion the post punk movement are the more talented punk bands. Maybe it's just semantics that's confusing me but these post punk bands are not punk bands.
There was a third Teardrops LP - 'Everybody Wants to Shag the T.E' recorded '82 but not released until the early 90s. Unfortunately swamped in Dave Balfe's synths but actually some great songs. Search out the 'Piano' LP too - a compilation of the early Zoo singles.
I had a ticket to see what would have been Joy Division's first US gig - at the American Indian Center in San Francisco with the Dead Kennedys supporting....
In live performances, particularly during the 1997 Year of the Horse tour, Neil Young’s bandmates and audience members have echoed his sentiment. When a fan yelled “they all sound the same,” Young responded with “it’s all one song"
The ai pairs were fantastic,playing with a different sex is in my top 5 post punk albums with metal box number 1. With the banshees the scream,the slits cut and gang of 4 in the top 5. Saw joy division as a support act in 78 in a small venue in London.Always worth getting to a gig early ,you never know who you are going to see. Often wonder how pissed off people who didn’t get there early enough were years later. My first gig was the tubes in 77 with wire as support
Never into punk / post punk, but one of the great records to come out of that period was Killing Jokes - "Love Like Blood". What a song that is, and that great video that went with it. That pounding bass guitar intro and that unfurled flag in that video. Unforgettable. Love Will Tear Us Apart - great song. The Smiths - pretty good also. The rest - not interested. I was brought up through the 60's lolol - say no more. Cya
ha, you just made me go back and listen to Tear Drop Explodes. That I go ba ba ba ba oh oh I go ba ba ba ba oh oh well I'm going (When I Dream) is classic and still sounds great.
I loved Joy Division and turned many people on to them back in the day . I had a Daiwa walkman style that recorded many concerts and the first time I ever went to LA , I played closer over and over. I even got the ideal for living double EP on that trip along with the first 2 glow in the dark painted in logo , self pressed 45s by the cramps on that trip. But anyway, the first time that new order came to Vancouver I filmed them for the song blue Monday but their computer program fucked up and they had to stop and spend about 5 minutes getting it right. Unfortunately after I got my film back from Kodak, the visual stopped after about 10 seconds and I only had audio. But after the concert, my buddies and I went to an underground warehouse party and new order showed up . I don't think that they were impressed with me asking for autographs, but they still have them to me. I took pictures of about 20 or more coolest bands from punk new wave era and realized that my kids could care less about them , so I sold the negatives to (again) Rob Firth of neptoon records. After most of my major records and memorabilia was stolen by a family member and sold for drugs, I let Rob come over in the nineties and buy tons of 45s and my lunch box collection. I sell him stuff through the years but only sold him the negatives this year. I got to know him after I was a partner in a mostly used records store called Zeet Records
May I submit the Buzzcocks to this discussion! Punk ethos and new wave sensibilities. Love the Banshees, Juju is a perfect album. Joy Division is essential
Their German kosmische influence on "Moving Away from the Pulsebeat" and "Late for the Train" and much of A Different Kind of Tension certainly fit in with post-punk!
Jeopardy is one of my all time favourite albums. Great songwriting. And Total Recall a brilliant single. Saw The Sound supporting the Bunnymen on Crocodiles tour in about 1980. Still remember it like last week. Such a shame they were not better appreciated.
Although Killing Joke are considered a post-punk, they were probably more punk in their attitude and lifestyle than most punk bands before them. If you get the chance I highly recommend watching the docufilm "The Death and Resurrection Show" about the band. They were quite out there at times.
First things first all the albums you have are great!!!.I believe though that you must and i say must listen to the follow three bands from the same era : SPERICAL OBJECTS all four alums-ASTRONAUTS also first four albums and STEVE MIRO AND THE EYES two albums.
@@mazzysmusic Hey Mazzy not sure which one you have but you need the debut 'The Return of The Durrutti Column & Their 1989 album called 'Vinni Reilly' both absolutely essential..or your money back!
Joy division is awesome and my favorite by far Bowhouse is awesome echo in the bunnyman. are great . I'm surprised you didn't talk about Comsat Angeles you have all around great taste
It is astonishing which cult status the Young Marble Giants have gained. I have got and love the album as well. Still I think that a major factor of the album's stautus is due to the iconic cover photo.
Been to a The Cure and Pat Benatar (after each other) concert in Amsterdam. Love Echo and co. I have a 4 cd box of them. Early Simple Minds I play also till today.
Along with Stuart Gilmour comment Omission of The Wire Harvest Records UK triptych means that you forgot 3 of the most prolific influential RECORDS of the genre/era century
Here are some of my favourites: The Wake (UK). The Royal Family and The Poor. A Certain Ratio. Rema Rema. The Chameleons. Sad Lovers And Giants. The Snake Corps. And one of the best compilations ever: The Thing from The Crypt (1981).
That Joy Division 12" single was one of the first records given to me, and it was because of the dead wax. I didn't particularly like the song and it was a mystery why my rave-DJ-friend thought I needed one of his copies. Man was the jacket a sshow, straight munched by a life in a crate, its seams all duct taped - but the record was gorgeous. He eventually pointed out what I never knew to look for: the matrix. "DON'T DISILLUSION ME / I'VE ONLY GOT RECORD SHOPS LEFT." I've looked at every matrix of every record I've gotten since.
I just thought l would let you know.... Love will tell us a part, over here the UK there was a copy of said record, on the B side was Blue Monday...! I've had a copy. It was labelled up right the only, the only way to tell is to play it !! I bought it from a DJ . I got him too play it, surely it was!! No idea how many are out there . Someone had miss pressed it as a bootleg. My joy division friends would not believe me till I played it to them, that's when the offers came in thick & fast, l paid £ 25 pounds for it, sold it for £ 150 to a dealer. Which was a lot of money back in the 198O's. I really was in regret. So check your copy's of it , my JD friends ❤
I’ll mention The Fall. Their music has aged well as it wasn’t engineered with the typical 80s production cliches. Sounds like a more bass and drums loud then muted then loud then muted Velvet Underground/Stooges/Peter Hammill but as if they were simultaneously amused and enraged.
My favourite not included on this list is Wire, started out as "punk" but sort of punk as art project as heard on their debut album Pink Flag. but my favourite album of theirs is their 3rd, 154. .
If you include XTC as “post-punk”… they would be top of my list. Always put them in the Punk Pop category… (they even sing “This Is Pop”)… but, yeah… BRILLIANT band.
Love that Au Pairs album. Had that on vinyl but kicked myself in the nuts for dumping it. Luckily I found it on cd. That album is worth a lot of money. Never been re released since then.
Well done mate some nice bands there, love your passion for all kinds of music and your knowledge to. Keep them coming maz!
Thank you, Sir!!
Cut (1979) by The Slits. Even though they were original Punks, the band waited a long time to refine their sound before putting out a record. Cut is Post-Punk album. One of the very best.
The women fronted punk bands of that era were just amazing and as you said, always danceable. Raincoats, Slits, Essential Logic and Maximum Joy are a few that come to mind and are all great!
Another one of your truly amazing and informative videos! I never heard of the Young Marble Giants, and now I am excited to listen to their debut and only album. Thanks for the heads up ☆
Yeah, my favorite video so far! I've been obsessed with all the bands you listed most of my life. Had a post-punk radio show in college in the late 80s and briefly with public radio (Dr. Fester's Bucket O' Nasties!). It took a few years of flipping through used bins, but I did snag a couple holy grails at the time, 15+ years before they were finally reissued on CD -- The Sound and The Comsat Angels. Recommended for fans of Joy Division, Echo and U2. Rhino is reissuing the first three essential Sound albums on colored vinyl, for some reason only in the UK, but you can actually pre-order them for domestic pricing on Amzn. You won't regret it! The first three Magazine albums are also being reissued on Friday, also on colored vinyl! Those are also on Amzn, but priced about $6-8 more each. Sorry 'bout yr wallet Mazzy!
As many astute fans noted in the comments below, The Chameleons, who came along just after took a thread from the Comsats. It's tough to compare bands with just 2-3 albums with ones with massive catalogs, but here's my rough ranking, where most of the key releases for me were 1978-84.
1. Wire
2. Joy Division
3. The Cure
4. The Sound
5. The Comsat Angels
6. The Chameleons
7. Echo & The Bunnymen
8. The Birthday Party
9. Siouxsie & The Banshees
10. Killing Joke
11. The Fall
12. Magazine
13. Bauhaus
14. The Slits
15. Gang Of Four
16. Public Image Ltd.
17. The Stranglers
18. Opposition
19. U2
20. The Raincoats
21. XTC
22. The Psychedelic Furs
23. Modern Eon
24. The Teardrop Explodes
25. Au Pairs
26. Young Marble Giants
27. The Church
28. And Also The Trees
29. Simple Minds
30. Sad Lovers and Giants
31. The Passions
32. The Soft Boys
33. Breathless
34. Lowlife
35. Tubeway Army
36. Ultravox
37. The Associates
38. Scars
39. Music For Pleasure
40. The Passage
There's bands like XTC that I'd rank higher overall when talking about their entire catalog, but their post-punk era arguably ended in 1982-83. Conversely, bands like U2 and Simple Minds devolved into bands I didn't like at all later on. Early Tubeway Army and Ultravox were probably more of a hybrid of glam, punk, soon to become synthpop. Japan could also fit into that niche.
One new discovery is a French band with an American singer, Orchestre Rouge with albums in 1982-83. The singer, Theo Hakola, then formed Passion Fodder, which had a very Bad Seeds kind of sound, then a bunch of solo albums.
A pretty comprehensive list
.. and Magazine, Cabaret Voltaire, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA , Swell Maps etc . A deep well.
You should check out The Sound, one of the best post punk bands that was never really known much, but an excellent band.
Great band, saw them twice.
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@@mazzysmusic especially their first two, Jeopardy and From The Lions Mouth are great and classics.
@@B.B.Amsterdamexcellent albums. Also, one of my favorites is the the lesser known Propaganda. 1979 recordings, released in 1999. Some great alternate versions of a few songs on Jeopardy and a bunch of non album tracks.
Pretty decent list. I have records by most of them, especially early singles. I would have to include The Fall as they are the band I have most records by. Did you know Ian McCulloch, Julian Cope and Pete Wylie (of Wah! Heat) were all in a band together in Liverpool called Crucial Three before starting their respective bands?
Wire is hands down the greatest post-punk band! Their album “154” is a masterpiece!
I think the pinkflag PF13 Reissue vinyl is pretty great. Glad I nabbed a copy.
Great vid as always. I totally agree about the comments about Wire.shout outs to The Chameleons or Chameleons UK in the US. Cowboys international, The Sound,Sad Lovers and Giants, The Pop Group, Magazine,
John Foxx’s version of Ultravox! Etc etc
Your video sold me on Ocean Rain. I had resisted for decades (loved the first 3 Echo lps always. They had a Doorsy-psych sound and great jangly guitars. I think they covered People Are Strange in a film soundtrack). I saw them on that tour at the Ontario Theatre in DC. Lots of hair and dry ice. Ever listened to Delta 5? See the Whirl was one of my favorite lps from the early 80s that I picked up as a blind purchase (the other 2: Angry Samoans - couldn't resist cover or song titles, and REM's Chronic town ep).
@@malcolmlawrence8978 it’s a good one ✌🏼
Saw Young Marvel Giants in 1980 at Northern Poly in London supported by Liliput and Essential Logic. It made for a special evening. Being a young student in those days, I spent more time in clubs than uni. Saw all the bands you showcased here except Smiths. The Au Pairs was a great band on stage and their two albums were outstanding. Siouxsie and the Banshees were an experience to see before they got signed (and after that as well). Great video.
Thank you. Great music !!!
As another poster has said Comsat Angels would be my favourite band in this genre. Their Independence Day, Echo and the Bunnyman's Crocodiles and When I Dream by Teardrop Explodes indicated the whole music scene seemed to have changed for the better. If you don't know it try giving a listen to Sleep No More which is generally thought to be their masterpiece though I prefer Waiting for a Miracle and Fiction
"Sleep No More" was such a great LP. Another band from that era, although a little later were The Chameleons , and their, "Script of the Bridge" LP... quite stunning, too. Cheers!
Some great recommendations in this video of bands I haven’t heard before. Thank you!
HI Mazzy - I've been watching your videos for a few months now. Although I've been a pro musician in the UK all my working life I was in the trad folk music field, and as a result haven't even heard of most of the bands you mention! So I'm using you as a resource to check out your recommendations. I'm mostly enjoying - I really liked XTC's English Settlement ( no really, I'd never heard of them) - very creative songwriting, and will have a listen to Au Pairs and some of the others you came up with.Keep p the good work!
Hey Mazzy! Depeche Mode = Martin Gore... >> Killing Joke = *Martin Glover* aka 'Youth' ... The debut 10" e.p. from Killing Joke on Malicious Damage, released in Oct. '79 - "Turn to Red" e.p., had serious elements of dub along w/ the amazingly unique guitar sound of 'Geordie' Walker (r.i.p.). Also a very, very powerful live band. Great video highlighting some really excellent post-punk bands from late '78 onwards. Good to see Au Pairs getting a mention. I also still love Swell Maps from that era; utterly unclassifiable from release to release, but so innovative & influential. (S. Youth were massive fans...).
@@Voidoid77 thanks for the correction on my mix up ✌🏼
@@mazzysmusic Always pleased to help out if/where I can, Mazzy. Been enjoying your channel for quite a long, long time now! So interesting & informative... all the very best from Japan (ex-Scotland).
Great list, cool video. Impossible to name every band, but for me Wire has to be there. In 3 albums - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing, and 154 they moved from punk, to post-punk, to a genre of their own. Thanks, Stuart
@@suartgilmour4540 yes, Wire for sure.
Completely agree...
100% in agreement
Through the whole video I thought "the next one must be Wire". Sadly they weren't there. 154 is just a unique album
A Dutch music magazine voted Wire's 154 best post punk album ever. 2nd Unknown Pleasures 3rd Entertainment!
Glad to see you feature The Au Pairs. I haven't listened to them for a while, so thanks for reminding me! "It's Obvious" is my favourite track, I think.
That's the one, all right......a great way to close an album all about gender politics, with an irresistable dance tune and the universal message: "You're equal, but different. It's obvious....."
Clinching.
Great video, I like every one of those bands. Love Will Tear Us Apart is one of the greatest singles of the last century.
It sure is ✌🏼
@@mazzysmusic + Atmosphere : First UK Pressing, A PORKY PRIME CUT. For me, Atmosphere is more rarified than Love Will Tear Us Apart. Atmosphere is closest to the sense of loss and LWTUA is about loss from a safer distance. The snowscene cover art is also pitched perfectly - a cold, still beauty. (dead wax matrix : HERE ARE THE YOUNG MEN / BUT WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN )
Excellent list...would also add Gary Numan and Tubeway Army. His first three albums are amazing, and have stood up well over time. Talking about dark overtones and heavy bass, check out M.E. one of my favorite songs of all time, and right in this post-punk sweet spot.
The Pleasure Principle was my very first album purchase at the ripe old age of 9! I often pair Tubeway with early Ultravox and Japan in playlists.
That time was my early student days - such memories! Reward by Teardrop Explodes is one of my favourites from that era. Can you believe we used to dance to it lol. I have that 12” of Dear Prudence and I still play it a lot. It’s superb. Cheers for a great video Mazzy!
Had fun watching this one, Mazzy, and as always, appreciated your perspectives, especially the idea that post punk are the more layered of the punk bands. I always think of you sorta coming to age in the the music of 60s and 70s but it's obvious you are also a product of the 80s. Very cool.
I have to say, after decades of sorta hating The Smiths, I have a new found love for Johnny Marr's guitar, but I still just can't get on board with Morrissey's voice. For the life of me, I can't understand how one can get past his over-melodramatic singing style. But I love Robert Smiths voice and I suppose they're somewhat comparable. Did you remember instantly taking to The Smiths, or did it take time? Love me some Echo and the Bunnymen, Siouxie and the Banshees, and adore the Pogues, Bless you for including them! I had the good fortunate to see them and meet Shane once. Looking forward to your next video.
Good choices all; one that I'd consider essential that's conspicuous by its absence is Magazine. Howard DeVoto was originally in Buzzcocks, John McGeogh later joined Siouxsie and the Banshees, and they brought a good dose of prog sound to post-punk; brilliant stuff... Ian McCollough and Julian Cope used to be in a band together in Liverpool; that's why 'Books' is on both 'Crocodiles' and 'Kilamanjaro', both totally classic albums. As somebody else mentioned, Wire were also somebody I'd have put in such a list, and they're still going strong.
I'm so glad The Fall got a mention, right at the end there - now I don't have to type this.
Mazzy, that was a great video on the post punk bands from the UK, I hope you can do a part 2, The Fall, Robin Hitchcock & the Egyptians, Magazine, the House Martins, Wire, 80s output. xtc.
It could on again and again
Magazine and Wire would both be high on my list
My original factus import copy of Closer is one of the best, cleanest, albums I own. Great production. Super quiet vinyl pressing. Also, Gang of Four 'Entertainment' on emi import, very nice. So is 'Solid Gold'. After those, just ho hum stuff. All nice choices overall from you. Thank you!
Fantastic video!!! Besides being a rabid Smiths fan, Post Punk is my favorite genre. 🖤🖤
You turned me on the Intrigue Box Set curated by Steven Wilson.. that set captured the 80s post punk, but also had some cool largely unknown recordings.. thanks for that recommendation because it’s one of my favorite box sets
That's such a fantastic set!!
The post-punk years were my college years in Liverpool and Manchester so they are at the heart of my favourite music (and probably why I love Radiohead and the National now). Amazing that the Cure have a new album out - my vinyl copy arrives tomorrow! You listed so many great bands, I could only think of Wire and Psychedelic Furs to add.
Love love that you featured the Au Pairs. Don't get enough recognition for their uniqueness. That debut Cure LP was lo-fi a decade before Sebadoh claimed to have invented it. Which is why I love The Cure's cover of Foxy Lady, taking all the ooom ph out of it - wonderful stuff
Another good one today Mazzy. My favorite is Wire, not sure what to label them. Just rediscovered Magazine and enjoying their sound a lot.
@@andrewt4042 def post punk.
...and the cassette played poptones...One of my two or three favourite rock genres. Add to your list The Pop Group, Section 25, Durutti Column, Chameleons, the Passions, Orange Juice, Wire. '78-'83 was a cool time for music; the era of some great independent labels.
Chameleons!!
The Au Pairs. Interesting how band just vaporized in the US. I had (still do!) a copy of “Urgh! A Music War.” Loved the Au Pairs doing “Come Again.” It had hat great long-decay chime on the guitars that was a signature of the times.
One of your best videos!
I had forgotten all about the Au Pairs!!! So many great picks! Stay beautiful, Mazzy!!
I used to work at the Warfield in SF. Did you know that they have an old Speakeasy in the basement way in the back with Limelights on the stage! Saw My Bloody Valentine there.
Can’t recall if I knew that. But I have gone back stage and down there when I worked fir McCune Sound ✌🏼🤷🏻♂️
@@mazzysmusic backstage, there is a basement level access, and if you go way back thru some hallway, its there. Most people didn't know about it because it was a secret bar during prohibition, but being as I worked there and new the manager, I would explore.
Only recently saw Peter Hook & The light tour , the Joy Division set by far the best on the night , great band , great memories, just sad losing Ian Curtis , who knows what he would have gone on to write , radio stations will be playing Love will tear us apart , for years and years to come .
Nice list there Mazzy, I love all those bands. You should check out new UK band Black Doldrums - they definitely have THAT sound!! ❤️👍🏻
Great band.
Will do!
In Limerence is their excellent new album. Out now on blue vinyl. Get a copy whilst stocks last!
Good historical points made . Hope you ready to move on to Japan, World party and Scritti Politti. Great to have such detailed interest in British post punk bands from across the pond. Also a point about Elvis Costello producing early Pogues, Squeeze and the Specials?
I enjoyed your list, Mazzy. There’s a very good YMG Colossal Youth box set worth seeking out. My list would include the Mekons, Wire, Stranglers, Magazine, Buzzcocks and the Wedding Present. Everybody has their favorites. Oh The Jam and Psychedelic Furs too.
I’m not big on genres myself. Only two kinds of music, music I like and music I don’t 😊
That’s perfect 🤠
100%!
Great episode Mazzy, gave me some music to explore! I would definitely add Wire
Please do!✌🏼
Wire .ight be a little rough for him...and he might not have seen them perform. What a band, they killed it with thier first three albums.
Great list, but where's Wire?
Hi..I'm the Au Pairs drummer Pete..and I'd like to thank you all for your lovely memories and vibes ..keep it real..x
Hey Peter, thanks for visiting and watching. So I apparently saw you perform at least twice all those years ago. How come these records aren't available today? They are so great!!!
@mazzysmusic ...they all came out on cd..a small amount of Playing with a different Sex was reissued on vinyl..but in January both albums are being released on coloured vinyl 1000 copies..message me then..
Good list and Echo & the Bunnymen one of my fav and that said as I´m from Iceland the cover photo on the Porcupine album is taken by the waterfall Gullfoss in Iceland. They came here to film the video for song The Cutter by the frozen waterfall.
@@imthedead the photographer that photographed all their album covers just passed away this year, Brian Griffith.
Wow I only have 2 of my original Live band recordings love and rockets live at the commodore ballroom where the sound is so so and the other is killing joke live at the Luv affair. And the sound is amazing also saw gang of four and taped the cure a forest tour, souisie and the banshees echo and the bunnymen and magazine all around the same time. Got pictures of me with X, the cramps and the clash in front of my old 59 Pontiac. Wow sounds like you would have been hanging with the people that I hung with if you were from Vancouver. Your gonna get sick of my stories my buddies and I were probably a bunch of posers, but we made it a mission to meet as many of our heroes and did a pretty good job of it
I love reading stories.
Could also be mentioned: The Scars, Durutti Column, the Skids on their third and fourth albums, some other Liverpool groups like Pink Military and the early It's Immaterial.
Nice badge Mazzy - yes.
Personally I would have to include the Cocteau Twins on this list. Cheers - D
All these artists are so, so good. I have some albums by most of them but it is so strange what you end up buying in your teens and young adult around 1980, when I had little money to spend and living in Iceland. There are so many bands I loved and love but still don't have their albums or just one or two, so strange.
This is my happy place. I'm a bit younger but got into all this dark stuff as a kid in the mid 80's. It all seemed so ancient and mysterious at the time. I was more of an east coast skate rat so I was listening to underground hardcore and punk stuff and Hip Hop was just coming into form (circa 83-84) this was all underground music then. College radio kept me alive. As subversive as hardcore was, it got so macho and stunted that I simply got bored and digressed into the U.K. scene. I was lucky to have some older friends who turned me on to the staples and you could actually get some decent stuff from those Columbia house 12 cassettes for a penny back then. Before I got into vinyl I had piles of tapes from The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, REM, got those all cheap. I loved Gang of Four, Wire and PIL. Eventually I got into darker stuff, Joy Division, Bauhaus, Early Siouxsie, one of my first proper shows was seeing Peter Murphy on his Deep tour. I learned to play bass as a teenager by playing along with Cure and Joy Division, such simple infectious stuff. Coincidentally, I just did a live set here in SF recently and we covered New Dawn Fades, which I played on guitar, so not much has changed! Lol.
It’s good stuff ✌🏼
You. ALMOST got an A+…. but you left out THE CHAMELEONS. (known as The Chameleons UK over in the States).
From Manchester, they explosed onto the scene with one of the greatest debut albums in rock history: “Script Of The Bridge” is perfect from beginning to end. Twin guitar attack joined by a great rhythm section… brilliantly dark lyrics (featuring one song “Here Today” about the death of John Lennon, told from his perspective… a masterpiece that is one of the most haunting songs I’ve ever heard.) Three albums then done. …for a long, long time. They reunited years later and I flew from San Francisco to London, then took a train to Manchester to see the performance. I’ve seen hundreds of shows… and to this day, it remains one of, if not THE greatest live performances I’ve witnessed. People came from around the world to see the shows. Dynamic band on vinyl AND live.
Also agree with people who include WIRE in their list. Also: Shout out to INTERPOL, (who sounded almost exactly like THE CHAMELEONS).
I saw The Chameleons just recently at Levitation in Austin! They played Strange Times in it's entirety, with a few early songs as an encore, plus one from the new EP.
@@Fastnbulbous1969 That sounds amazing! It’s such a shame that their drummer, John Lever, passed away and that Dave is still not on good terms with Mark… but Mark and Reg have reallyl done a great job holding down the fort.
Hi Mazzy! There's a thin line between darkness and beauty. All those bands and The post punk movement got The fresh of original punk and picked Up from psychedelia, funk, gothic, folk, pop, tecno... Mixing different kind of music and got this own style with an inteligence and genuine outstanding level and out of The typical new wave pop genre in those years. Simply they evolutioned.
I like you had open ears and apreciate these bands. Highly recommended HUMAN LEAGUE "Dare" 1979 a band that changed his style from The first two LPs into a tecno pop style.
Thanks for sharing and keep going
Human League are incredible and pre Dare is the definition of post punk. Ditto for the Mekons.
I also appreciate the music of Killing Joke. Some excellent songs on every album, but I am especially fond of Brighter than a Thousand Suns. With the passing of their long time guitar player, I would be surprised if they continue to make records.
Also, I was surprised to not see XTC mentioned.
Xtc is a one of my very faves. Not sure why I didn’t include them. Maybe because they carried on into a very different sound ✌🏼
Love Killing Joke. Youth played on their first 3 albums and then came back to perform on 6 of their last 7 albums. Cheers Mazzy!
Very enjoyable video covering many excellent bands. Thank you for this. Saw Gang of Four live once here in NYC at Irving Plaza and they were tremendous.
Just one thing. You say in your opinion the post punk movement are the more talented punk bands. Maybe it's just semantics that's confusing me but these post punk bands are not punk bands.
Nice. When I think JD, Transformation is the song for me. One of my all time faves.
There was a third Teardrops LP - 'Everybody Wants to Shag the T.E' recorded '82 but not released until the early 90s. Unfortunately swamped in Dave Balfe's synths but actually some great songs.
Search out the 'Piano' LP too - a compilation of the early Zoo singles.
I had a ticket to see what would have been Joy Division's first US gig - at the American Indian Center in San Francisco with the Dead Kennedys supporting....
Great shout at the end for YMG.
Magazine do you have some by them one of the greatest post punk band.
In live performances, particularly during the 1997 Year of the Horse tour, Neil Young’s bandmates and audience members have echoed his sentiment. When a fan yelled “they all sound the same,” Young responded with “it’s all one song"
The ai pairs were fantastic,playing with a different sex is in my top 5 post punk albums with metal box number 1. With the banshees the scream,the slits cut and gang of 4 in the top 5. Saw joy division as a support act in 78 in a small venue in London.Always worth getting to a gig early ,you never know who you are going to see. Often wonder how pissed off people who didn’t get there early enough were years later. My first gig was the tubes in 77 with wire as support
If you ask any of those bands who should be on the list they will all say one name - Cardiacs ❤️
Never into punk / post punk, but one of the great records to come out of that period was Killing Jokes - "Love Like Blood". What a song that is, and that great video that went with it. That pounding bass guitar intro and that unfurled flag in that video. Unforgettable. Love Will Tear Us Apart - great song. The Smiths - pretty good also. The rest - not interested. I was brought up through the 60's lolol - say no more. Cya
ha, you just made me go back and listen to Tear Drop Explodes. That I go ba ba ba ba oh oh
I go ba ba ba ba oh oh well I'm going (When I Dream) is classic and still sounds great.
I love the Au Pairs - Paul Foad is a mate of mine now. We've had some interesting conversations.
Very cool.
and for the US - Dead Kennedys, Husker DU, Sonic Youth, Dinoseur Jnr, Butthole Surfers!
But they're plain punk, not After punk
@@PaoloPalarini Dead Kennedys and Husker Du are punk, the others are not.
echo and the bunnymen stars are stars is my fav off crocodiles, all these bands are great what an era for music
Got many of my favourites there, gang of 4 being just an obsession for a two year period in the 80’s
Great list ! Is Big Audio Dynamite post punk? Morrisey is playing this weekend here in Rochester NY.
I loved Joy Division and turned many people on to them back in the day . I had a Daiwa walkman style that recorded many concerts and the first time I ever went to LA , I played closer over and over. I even got the ideal for living double EP on that trip along with the first 2 glow in the dark painted in logo , self pressed 45s by the cramps on that trip. But anyway, the first time that new order came to Vancouver I filmed them for the song blue Monday but their computer program fucked up and they had to stop and spend about 5 minutes getting it right. Unfortunately after I got my film back from Kodak, the visual stopped after about 10 seconds and I only had audio. But after the concert, my buddies and I went to an underground warehouse party and new order showed up . I don't think that they were impressed with me asking for autographs, but they still have them to me. I took pictures of about 20 or more coolest bands from punk new wave era and realized that my kids could care less about them , so I sold the negatives to (again) Rob Firth of neptoon records. After most of my major records and memorabilia was stolen by a family member and sold for drugs, I let Rob come over in the nineties and buy tons of 45s and my lunch box collection. I sell him stuff through the years but only sold him the negatives this year. I got to know him after I was a partner in a mostly used records store called Zeet Records
More good stories
May I submit the Buzzcocks to this discussion! Punk ethos and new wave sensibilities. Love the Banshees, Juju is a perfect album. Joy Division is essential
Their German kosmische influence on "Moving Away from the Pulsebeat" and "Late for the Train" and much of A Different Kind of Tension certainly fit in with post-punk!
Been listening to the Au Pair's 'It's Obvious' a lot lately. That song has a groove that could pretty much go on forever, and I wouldn't mind.
Check out the UK band The Sound. Their debut Jeopardy is really great.
Jeopardy is one of my all time favourite albums. Great songwriting. And Total Recall a brilliant single. Saw The Sound supporting the Bunnymen on Crocodiles tour in about 1980. Still remember it like last week. Such a shame they were not better appreciated.
Norman, if you like Gang of Four’s interpretation of “funk”, check out APB from Scotland.
Although Killing Joke are considered a post-punk, they were probably more punk in their attitude and lifestyle than most punk bands before them. If you get the chance I highly recommend watching the docufilm "The Death and Resurrection Show" about the band. They were quite out there at times.
Hi Mazzy would The Human League’s 1981 album ‘Dare’ fit in your post punk list ? 🇬🇧
Probably, but they feel very different to me than these bands. Lighter
First things first all the albums you have are great!!!.I believe though that you must and i say must listen to the follow three bands from the same era : SPERICAL OBJECTS all four alums-ASTRONAUTS also first four albums and STEVE MIRO AND THE EYES two albums.
There’s always one more to add 🤠
thoughts on Durutti Column?
Know them, but not well. Have one CD ✌🏼
@@mazzysmusic Hey Mazzy not sure which one you have but you need the debut 'The Return of The Durrutti Column & Their 1989 album called 'Vinni Reilly' both absolutely essential..or your money back!
@@Harrispilton22 I live by your suggestions!!!!
Youth (Martin Glover) has been a part of Killing Joke for the most recent albums too.
Joy division is awesome and my favorite by far Bowhouse is awesome echo in the bunnyman. are great . I'm surprised you didn't talk about Comsat Angeles you have all around great taste
🙄don’t tell him
@gjingodjango elaborate more
It is astonishing which cult status the Young Marble Giants have gained. I have got and love the album as well. Still I think that a major factor of the album's stautus is due to the iconic cover photo.
Been to a The Cure and Pat Benatar (after each other) concert in Amsterdam. Love Echo and co. I have a 4 cd box of them. Early Simple Minds I play also till today.
Along with Stuart Gilmour comment Omission of The Wire Harvest Records UK triptych means that you forgot 3 of the most prolific influential RECORDS of the genre/era century
I have that killing joke comp. Amazing.
Here are some of my favourites: The Wake (UK). The Royal Family and The Poor. A Certain Ratio. Rema Rema. The Chameleons. Sad Lovers And Giants. The Snake Corps. And one of the best compilations ever: The Thing from The Crypt (1981).
The Mekons?
You have no Magazine and Wire?
@@guidoroemer81 wire in CD. No magazine. But you select 12, you leave a lot out. .
If you have to own and mention every band and record, what's the bloody point in making a list?
That Joy Division 12" single was one of the first records given to me, and it was because of the dead wax. I didn't particularly like the song and it was a mystery why my rave-DJ-friend thought I needed one of his copies. Man was the jacket a sshow, straight munched by a life in a crate, its seams all duct taped - but the record was gorgeous. He eventually pointed out what I never knew to look for: the matrix.
"DON'T DISILLUSION ME /
I'VE ONLY GOT RECORD SHOPS LEFT."
I've looked at every matrix of every record I've gotten since.
I just thought l would let you know....
Love will tell us a part, over here the UK there was a copy of said record, on the B side was Blue Monday...!
I've had a copy. It was labelled up right the only, the only way to tell is to play it !!
I bought it from a DJ . I got him too play it, surely it was!!
No idea how many are out there . Someone had miss pressed it as a bootleg.
My joy division friends would not believe me till I played it to them, that's when the offers came in thick & fast, l paid £ 25 pounds for it, sold it for £ 150 to a dealer. Which was a lot of money back in the 198O's. I really was in regret.
So check your copy's of it , my JD friends ❤
I ment tear
I’ll mention The Fall.
Their music has aged well as it wasn’t engineered with the typical 80s production cliches. Sounds like a more bass and drums loud then muted then loud then muted Velvet Underground/Stooges/Peter Hammill but as if they were simultaneously amused and enraged.
My favourite not included on this list is Wire, started out as "punk" but sort of punk as art project as heard on their debut album Pink Flag. but my favourite album of theirs is their 3rd, 154. .
Not a Stranglers fan?
M, Heard a lot of Pop Country on Armed Forces Radio in the 80's.
The Sound -in top 5 for me
Good selection. Youth from Killing Joke's real name is Martin Glover. Martin Gore is from Depeche Mode.
XTC, The Waterboys, Orange Juice?
If you include XTC as “post-punk”… they would be top of my list. Always put them in the Punk Pop category… (they even sing “This Is Pop”)… but, yeah… BRILLIANT band.
Love that Au Pairs album. Had that on vinyl but kicked myself in the nuts for dumping it. Luckily I found it on cd. That album is worth a lot of money. Never been re released since then.
Au Pairs - Playing with a Different Sex is a fab. album. Influenced greatly New Fast Automatic Daffodils. How about Throbbing Gristle and Spacemen 3?