Yeah especially I think they all agreed that Rob Williams not being higher or being on the list is cuz he’s just defensive smh when it comes to gobert the whole argument changes
Yall have matured so much and are able to have such powerful conversations. I really appreciate you guys using your voice for good and influencing the younger population of your viewers to be better people and better human beings
Mike right he just didn’t know how to argue it. KB’s crazy for writing off an entire half of his game just because “it’s not his role”. When you’re making that much money you gotta score.
Yeah KB gets his favorites and then gets super emotional about them and biased, overlooking their shortcomings a lot. If mike stayed level headed he could’ve washed KB
He’s not right in the slightest. Mike has casual old head takes all the time. He only does certain things like draw fouls, set screens and is somewhat of a lob threat. He ignored KB’s points and just argued like he’s Steven A Smith
@@officialzacht he’s wrong. You can’t justify rudy passing out of the post with Terrance Mann on him by saying “that’s not his role he gets paid to play defense”
It's not even Rudy's fault for the Jazz's playoff struggles, it's the fact that no one on that team knew how to defend on the perimeter, forcing him to try and patch up everything While KAT was just actually trash in the playoffs 🤣
@@0ringsss742 considering he shrunk in big moments, was incredibly inefficient, especially for a center, and also sold the T Wolves multiple times? 🤣 Yeah bro, think about context
My personal list: 1) Jokic 2) Embiid 3) Kat 4) Adebayo 5) Siakiam 6) Gobert 7) Allen 8) Ayton 9) Valanciunas 10) Turner I think 9-14 can be pretty interchangeable between Valanciunas, Turner, Williams, WCJ, Sabonis and Capella
Kenny is such a point guard on this cast. Always getting on the 2guard (Mike) for not remembering the sceme. Then you see the front court just putting their hands up.
Joel always had a scape goat like simmons/harden/injuries and when he plays hes a beast. I think we miss that his conditioning n attitude contribute to his lack of availability and playoff success
I think my biggest issue with Gobert is hes not dominant enough at rebounding when teams go small on him. His post game against those small teigams also leaves a lot to be desired. If he was good enough to force teams to put a real big on him, then he would still be able to do what he wants defensively instead of being on the perimeter
Dmills build is not as bad as y’all making it out to be, interior defence is so important, check out 2k tutes channel. 80 dunk gets quick drops off one which is one of the best dunk animations, but I feel u maybe putting that up to 85 for silver poster and pro contacts. Most solid point y’all had was the 3 pointer should either be an 89 or a 92. Plus, wingspan is huge for pro am locks.
I think if Sabonis's defense is factored into his rating, Gobert's offense should be as well. And I do blame Rudy Gobert for the Jazz failures in the playoffs. If he could use his size advantage against the guards/forwards put on him offensively, the other team would be forced to put a center/other big out there to defend him and sacrifice the small-ball play. But he can't score on the mismatch, so it makes the small-ball available.
There’s a defense I think Rudy is the most overrated there’s a difference gobert is arguably the best or at least top 3-5 defensive center we have had in the last 15 years , sabonis has never been the best offensive center or even close to the best we had in the last 15. Gobert is the best defensive center while lacking defense. Sabonis isn’t the best offensive center while lacking defense
@@rahqoun9735 I get that, and I would rate Gobert higher than Sabonis, but I don't think you can ignore the offense of Gobert. Kenny was saying his offense doesn't matter bc his defense was so good but factored in Sabonis's poor defense to his rating. That's why I brought up Sabonis.
@@cihcye Just because you’re great at something doesn’t mean you’re exempt from everything else. He has to step up his offense. There’s no reason he can’t score on Dennis Schroeder. This is the nba, best of the best. Got to at least be able to knock down a mid range
Im with Mike . People where complaining about Mitchell not giving him the ball to expose his matchups but when you get to talk about where he ranks. Now his defense over looks his offense being a world class defender ain’t cut it no more
@@finnkuehl9274 100% over JV and Rob Will. He literally just locked up JV in the playoffs to 14 points on 48% shooting, not to mention JV ain’t a 2 way player. Also I’m taking him over Jarrett Allen, both averaged 10 rebounds, Ayton averaged more points on a better team and spreads the floor much better. The rest I understand being over him tho.
Jarrett Allen should definitely be higher, he's an all defensive caliber defender and he possesses a decent offensive skill set. He doesn't get talked about enough, we were 35-21 when he played and 9-17 when he didn't, he can get you 20 on any given night along with elite defense.
As for the Brooklyn 3 seconds left thing, realistically ben would be the one throwing it in, with kd kyrie joe Harris and Seth being 4 different and competent options
the kb n mike argument was funny esp with pierre emoting on the side whilst they was going lmao My perspective on it is, one i understand kb’ rebuttal to mike when he said “the rim protection only takes u so far” and he brought up jokic embiid etc. i fw how kb swiftly shut that argument down cuz quite frankly there is one chip each year. I agree with mike on gobert not taking advantage of smaller defenders & properly sealing his opps, but where he loses me is saying gobert got played off the floor in the playoffs. While true he couldn’t get “played off” cuz they had no1 better/ they didn’t have a good small ball unit he is the reason they a top 5 defense alone. When folks say he was “getting played off the floor” it’s taken literally but i feel a better way to put it is that the jazz defensive ideology ran it’s course as their scheme was to funnel the opps to gobert n have him meet them at the rim. Where it failed was once a team like the clips n mavs played a small ball unit that would stretch gobert out who is a 7footer, his weaknesses where evident as he is slow footed & is over tasked on defense as his supporting cast struggled to defend the perimeter leaving more opportunities at the rim and impeding gobert from playing free safety as well as sumn1 like rob will did for the Cs which is bc of the difference defensively in the C’s n last year Jazz teams rosters. More times than not gobert would abondon his man on the perimeter to stop a layup which lead to the opps kicking out to goberts man for 3 rinse n repeat with a shakeup of gob getting beat at the rim at times and the rest of the cast failing to properly rotate. Essentially the point of this essay damn near lmao is to say the jazz formula and roster was heavily flawed and cannot simply be drummed up to gobert or dono it was an amalgamation of them both and the teams roster. Which is why the two teams they were traded to are so interesting cuz on paper they mediate what they were both overly tasked to and failed to do together on the jazz.
Ayton has the potential, but he doesn`t have that MJ, Kobe, Giannis mindset of wanting too and needing to be the best. Ayton could likely be a top 3 center in the world if he wasn`t afraid of physical contact.
How high do you think Jusuf nurkic can go this season? I think bcs he has a well rounded game defensively and him and Dame in pick n roll is one of the better pick n roll duos in the league, both been healthy and anchoring the blazers defense I believe he can break this top 10
I think Gobert should be around 5, he's not versatile enough offensively or defensively for teams with elite ball handlers/playmakers due to their ability to exploit switches and bad perimeter defense. He's not top 3, he may not be 7th, but he does begin to become in some ways ineffective as an individual defensively player when it comes to those moments.
My problem with Rudy is that he can’t take advantage of a smaller defender on him so teams can play small ball against him and the value of his rim protection drops a lot. If he could take advantage of mismatches he’d be maybe top 3 at the center position.
I wouldn't have Sabonis on the list. He's such a negative on defence at a pivotal position I can't have him up there. Would rather have Williams and Allen, guys who may not do anywhere near as much as Sabonis offensively does, but do contribute and don't hurt to have put there at times. Also Kenny just because Rudy is a defensive hub doesn't mean he shouldn't do more offensively
13:08 Same thing happened when Kobe passed. Rumors were thrown everywhere about who was on the helicopter, from all of his daughters to Rick Fox. Imagine being Rick Fox's family member hearing he "died" and having no information on that for several minutes; believing they're dead just cause of a rumor. Shit can hurt people and ruin their lives, even if just for a moment. It's not worth it, man. The media has to be better.
BTW I had Rudy at 5 but then I realized Spicy P was on this list so Rudy moved down to 6th for me. I don't know why KB was heated when he only had Rudy a spot higher than Mike's.
P was talking about Val at 8 then DMills came in with the Sabonis one and fvcked up everything 🤣 after KB muted DMills, P was already confused and said Sabonis once instead of Val, then that was when Mike thought P was talking about Sabonis. DMills not listening to the discussion made everyone confused
taking opnion out of it . 1jokic 2embid 3gobert 4 allen 5kat 6bam 7 robert wwilliams 8porzingis 9 jakob poetel 10 haternstein regular season for centres who played over 50 games
Watching 400+ Dalano Banton mins in 1 night is one of the most random things you can spend like 7hrs doing. Only ~300 to go. Don’t forget the 8 in playoffs.
I haven’t seen him play in college or rly much at all, but purely off stats, how’d he get drafted and get a gtd deal in the NBA? I get he’s a 6”9 “PG” but he was bad in limited PT his freshman year at Western Kentucky, transferred to Nebraska (redshirt Soph year) then his stats were w/e there. 27GP, 22GS, 27MPG. 9.6/5.9/3.9/1/0.9, 2.5TOV, 2.1PF. 50.7% 2P on 5.1att 24.7% 3P on 3att 65.9% FT on 3.3att And he shot like booty from 3 and FT his freshman year too. Small sample size but he hasn’t shown he can shoot at all. His deal is partially gtd for this year for TOR but I assume they’ll pick it up. Maybe he’s been showing strides in practice and stuff and will get more PT this season. Idk. Just dunno where he fits on the roster if he can’t shoot. Flynn doesn’t play much and he at least has shown he can prolly at least shoot the 3. Again haven’t seen film and it’s Toronto so I’ll just assume it was a good pick lol. Bc there’s no real backup PG on roster beside Flynn and Banton. At least no vet…but I guess when FVV plays so much, and you have so many guys who can handle the ball that aren’t PGs, you don’t rly need anymore. Plus surely one of Banton and Flynn are at least capable if FVV goes down or w/e.
I wouldn’t have Sabonis in my T10 for the EXACT reasons why he said he couldn’t have him higher. A C who can’t protect the rim has to be GOAT level on offense to make up for it.
When the game slows down in the playoffs and a team has and uses the full 24 second clock just to get Rudy in the pick and roll I don’t care who the perimeter defender is eventually they are going to succeed in getting Rudy on the switch. From there the Jazz can either let Rudy get cooked and either give up a 3 or get blown by and give up a layup or send the double and leave someone open for potentially an open 3 or layup. That is why I don’t care how good of a rim defender Rudy is to just completely ignore that for Kenny who is such a basketball fan is insane. I don’t care if it’s Mutumbo or Mark Eaton or Manute Bol, the game has changed I get it most centers can’t guard the perimeter but guys like those I just named ^, are on a completely different level of incapable and being a liability the only difference is those guys didn’t play in the 3 ball era.
I agree Joel and the 76ers gotta get it down in the playoffs this year, but to say he isn’t criticized liked that and has to get it down this year but not say the same exact shit about Jokic is kinda wild to me
@Florent Stuart Ketchami Tchouleng Exactly there should be higher expectations for him but all they was talking about is that they could see him winning another mvp nothing about the fact the he has to get it done in the playoffs
@Florent Stuart Ketchami Tchouleng Again I don’t disagree with that, but 2 time MVPs are usually expected to with championships as well. It’s not that I think Embiid doesn’t deserve criticism it’s that to say he does but not feel the same way about a player who has been in the league just as long and has won 2 MVPs over him seems kinda goofy to me
Thé différence between Mitch and Rudy is that if you take out RUDY and you put any competent center, they win. If you remove Mitch and you don’t replace him with another all nba type scorer at his place, the Jazz lose
I think Rudy gobert has great value at shot altering, screen setting, overall rim protection. However he's someone's that has history of being game planned for in the playoffs. Also has semi low portability since it seems a successful team with him on requires good perimeter defenders. Plus against other powerful centers I'm not sure how effective he really is. It's hard to quantify his position but I think my view of him has fallen slightly since last season.
Kenny putting Sabonis at 8 and being mad that Gobert is 7 is hypocritical. He said Sabonis is elite offensively but atrocious defensively, but Gobert is the SAME THING just in reverse.
Comparing Sabonis' offensive output and Gobert's defense should be illegal. Especially when you are talking about centers. Nobody in the league has Rudy Gobert's interior impact defensively. He single handedly played defense for the Jazz. Sabonis is a good offensive player on a team which needs defense.
@@coraldelaluna I think he’s like 3-5 hes the best rim protector in the league. Useless in the playoffs but so is kat 😂🤷🏾♂️ bam be looking to scared to score sumtimes so idk lol
Gobert will always be Kenny’s Achilles Heel. Like Mikes argument is ass but his point is still right. Kenny always argues about what Goberts role is but that’s a flawed perspective.
kenny doing all that for mike putting rudy at 7, then hearing he put him at 6 is crazy lmaooo
His Rudy meat riding gets so annoying. Same with CP3
i dont think it was the placement it was more on the reasoning that he didnt fw
@@roddy9128 but just because someone's a defensive hub doesn't mean you can just ignore his failures on offense
Yeah especially I think they all agreed that Rob Williams not being higher or being on the list is cuz he’s just defensive smh when it comes to gobert the whole argument changes
@@alexizdiaz8021 Gobert is a level better defensively
When Kenny says Michael instead of Mike u know he's heated😂
Pierre dancing while Mike and Kenny argue at 34:00 is the type of toxic shit that I need on a Saturday you love to see it 😂😂
I need Pierre in the RDC Olympics he taking that gold for instigating 🤣🤣
@@osminperez1702 that's a fact 😂
bruhh 💀💀💀
p hittin the dougie while they arguin got me crying
Dmills being the highest on Siakam shows the growth 💪
I’m sure it’s cause he watched the TTWclips video lmao
Overcompensation*
@Science Lad 24 9 6 once he was off a minutes restriction with elite defense. Overrated?
@Science Lad please never talk basketball ever again
@Science Lad tell me you haven't watched a raptors game without telling me 🙄
Yall have matured so much and are able to have such powerful conversations. I really appreciate you guys using your voice for good and influencing the younger population of your viewers to be better people and better human beings
Mike right he just didn’t know how to argue it. KB’s crazy for writing off an entire half of his game just because “it’s not his role”. When you’re making that much money you gotta score.
Yeah KB gets his favorites and then gets super emotional about them and biased, overlooking their shortcomings a lot. If mike stayed level headed he could’ve washed KB
Especially him putting Rudy only one spot higher lmao
Mike never been a good debater. Brings me back to the debate episode when he fumbled that shit😂
ya worry way too mucha bout money. Obviously he overpaid but his role is his role 😂
He’s not right in the slightest. Mike has casual old head takes all the time. He only does certain things like draw fouls, set screens and is somewhat of a lob threat. He ignored KB’s points and just argued like he’s Steven A Smith
When Kenny says Mike's full name u know he upset with him 😂🤣
Even though kenny was wrong
@@juwanjordan5010 no he's not
@@CREAMchvseeee lol hes not what
@@juwanjordan5010 he’s not wrong I like Mike but he didn’t have a single good point IMO
@@officialzacht he’s wrong. You can’t justify rudy passing out of the post with Terrance Mann on him by saying “that’s not his role he gets paid to play defense”
"I got Rudy 7 because of the playoffs"
"So my number 3 is KAT"
lol
It's not even Rudy's fault for the Jazz's playoff struggles, it's the fact that no one on that team knew how to defend on the perimeter, forcing him to try and patch up everything
While KAT was just actually trash in the playoffs 🤣
@@thenbaconvo it’s lazy and stupid when people say it’s all Rudy. Saying “Donovan carried them” is hilarious aswell. He was ass against the Mavs
@@thenbaconvo but still no excuse for him not being able to develop any offensive game, with his build, he should be dominating in the paint
@@thenbaconvo 22 ppg is trash?
@@0ringsss742 considering he shrunk in big moments, was incredibly inefficient, especially for a center, and also sold the T Wolves multiple times? 🤣 Yeah bro, think about context
the Celtics had every starter make at least one of y’all’s top 10 lists
As a celtics enjoyer, i should say that smart's one was more of dmills fluke, even though it was a very nice season for smart
Smart, Brown, Tatum and Williams who else are you talking about ???
@@nbanow9612 I think horford made Dmills list for power foward
I’m not gonna lie I thought P was talking about Sabonis the whole time too😭
thats because he deadass said Sabonis
P being in the wrong and getting angry is such a routine thing
My personal list:
1) Jokic
2) Embiid
3) Kat
4) Adebayo
5) Siakiam
6) Gobert
7) Allen
8) Ayton
9) Valanciunas
10) Turner
I think 9-14 can be pretty interchangeable between Valanciunas, Turner, Williams, WCJ, Sabonis and Capella
Siakam at 5 is questionable but not bad other than that
So no Nurk
@@tjay3686 it maybe questionable, but if you really think about it’s not that crazy to put him over gobert or allen.
Damn Kenny and Mike reminded me of my parents bruh I started crying just outta some ptsd damn
haven’t been watching TTW as much as of late, but everytime i do it makes my day better. thank you guys
There's a crazy reality where the TTW position ranking ends up as part of 2K's MyCareer in a future game. They got JJ, so podcasters are next.
Can't wait to see yall talk about what y'all are interested to see next season
As a heat fan, bam has the ability to get 25 and 10. He just put up 19 and 9ish. He can be so good offensively but he’s just not aggressive enough
P dancing has to be the best part of the pod🤣
Imma need to cop that shirt Dmills rocking! That shirt go hard!! 🔥🔥🔥 much love to the podcast appreciate it TTW! 💯🐐💯
You guys should do an all time ranking by positions
When Kenny gets heated it hits different 🤣
Y’all should do a 6th man top 10 list!
Kenny is such a point guard on this cast. Always getting on the 2guard (Mike) for not remembering the sceme.
Then you see the front court just putting their hands up.
This was the hypessttt pod in a minutes bro😂😂😂
Joel always had a scape goat like simmons/harden/injuries and when he plays hes a beast. I think we miss that his conditioning n attitude contribute to his lack of availability and playoff success
I think my biggest issue with Gobert is hes not dominant enough at rebounding when teams go small on him. His post game against those small teigams also leaves a lot to be desired. If he was good enough to force teams to put a real big on him, then he would still be able to do what he wants defensively instead of being on the perimeter
Dmills build is not as bad as y’all making it out to be, interior defence is so important, check out 2k tutes channel. 80 dunk gets quick drops off one which is one of the best dunk animations, but I feel u maybe putting that up to 85 for silver poster and pro contacts. Most solid point y’all had was the 3 pointer should either be an 89 or a 92. Plus, wingspan is huge for pro am locks.
“That’s why you gotta lock in”
Coach P😂😂
29:07 man I swear if I didn’t watch the pod I wouldn’t think D Mills is real 😂😂😂
Bro funny asl😭
@@E3theman I don’t understand this at all tbh. Just seems like the guys being assholes as normal
Yeah just got to the part where they tried to explain why and yeah they definitely said Sabonis
Lol idk. I feel like everybody has that friend who’s just slow/ off sometimes.
@@larrythecableman6963 he said who he was talking about Valančiūnas and then accidentally said Sabonis once
I think if Sabonis's defense is factored into his rating, Gobert's offense should be as well. And I do blame Rudy Gobert for the Jazz failures in the playoffs. If he could use his size advantage against the guards/forwards put on him offensively, the other team would be forced to put a center/other big out there to defend him and sacrifice the small-ball play. But he can't score on the mismatch, so it makes the small-ball available.
He still averages 16 ppg when he's paid for his defense
There’s a defense I think Rudy is the most overrated there’s a difference gobert is arguably the best or at least top 3-5 defensive center we have had in the last 15 years , sabonis has never been the best offensive center or even close to the best we had in the last 15. Gobert is the best defensive center while lacking defense. Sabonis isn’t the best offensive center while lacking defense
@@rahqoun9735 I get that, and I would rate Gobert higher than Sabonis, but I don't think you can ignore the offense of Gobert. Kenny was saying his offense doesn't matter bc his defense was so good but factored in Sabonis's poor defense to his rating. That's why I brought up Sabonis.
@@cihcye Just because you’re great at something doesn’t mean you’re exempt from everything else. He has to step up his offense. There’s no reason he can’t score on Dennis Schroeder. This is the nba, best of the best. Got to at least be able to knock down a mid range
@@Jalenciagaaa no he doesn't. They paid him a supermax for defense, they dont ask him to knock down midranges.
I LOVE THE HEATED DEBATES
Im with Mike . People where complaining about Mitchell not giving him the ball to expose his matchups but when you get to talk about where he ranks. Now his defense over looks his offense being a world class defender ain’t cut it no more
Ayton disrespect is crazy, 17/10 with good defence and elite efficiency on a 64 win team. Wild.
Who would you put him over though? That’s a stacked list and there are a lot of legit All-Stars ahead of him
@@finnkuehl9274 100% over JV and Rob Will. He literally just locked up JV in the playoffs to 14 points on 48% shooting, not to mention JV ain’t a 2 way player. Also I’m taking him over Jarrett Allen, both averaged 10 rebounds, Ayton averaged more points on a better team and spreads the floor much better. The rest I understand being over him tho.
Jarrett Allen should definitely be higher, he's an all defensive caliber defender and he possesses a decent offensive skill set. He doesn't get talked about enough, we were 35-21 when he played and 9-17 when he didn't, he can get you 20 on any given night along with elite defense.
Agreed
As for the Brooklyn 3 seconds left thing, realistically ben would be the one throwing it in, with kd kyrie joe Harris and Seth being 4 different and competent options
the kb n mike argument was funny esp with pierre emoting on the side whilst they was going lmao
My perspective on it is, one i understand kb’ rebuttal to mike when he said “the rim protection only takes u so far” and he brought up jokic embiid etc. i fw how kb swiftly shut that argument down cuz quite frankly there is one chip each year.
I agree with mike on gobert not taking advantage of smaller defenders & properly sealing his opps, but where he loses me is saying gobert got played off the floor in the playoffs.
While true he couldn’t get “played off” cuz they had no1 better/ they didn’t have a good small ball unit he is the reason they a top 5 defense alone. When folks say he was “getting played off the floor” it’s taken literally but i feel a better way to put it is that the jazz defensive ideology ran it’s course as their scheme was to funnel the opps to gobert n have him meet them at the rim. Where it failed was once a team like the clips n mavs played a small ball unit that would stretch gobert out who is a 7footer, his weaknesses where evident as he is slow footed & is over tasked on defense as his supporting cast struggled to defend the perimeter leaving more opportunities at the rim and impeding gobert from playing free safety as well as sumn1 like rob will did for the Cs which is bc of the difference defensively in the C’s n last year Jazz teams rosters.
More times than not gobert would abondon his man on the perimeter to stop a layup which lead to the opps kicking out to goberts man for 3 rinse n repeat with a shakeup of gob getting beat at the rim at times and the rest of the cast failing to properly rotate. Essentially the point of this essay damn near lmao is to say the jazz formula and roster was heavily flawed and cannot simply be drummed up to gobert or dono it was an amalgamation of them both and the teams roster. Which is why the two teams they were traded to are so interesting cuz on paper they mediate what they were both overly tasked to and failed to do together on the jazz.
That Gobert argument reminded me of the arguments between Joel and drew
When are you guys doing the predictions for standings
during the season yall gotta do them theme days yall were talking about a while ago like jersey day etc
Jonas va over Jarrett Allen is an L take
I’m glad y’all talked about Ben finally speaking
Ayton doesn't get enough touches. Anytime he gets more than 10 attempts he avg 20
Ayton has the potential, but he doesn`t have that MJ, Kobe, Giannis mindset of wanting too and needing to be the best. Ayton could likely be a top 3 center in the world if he wasn`t afraid of physical contact.
How high do you think Jusuf nurkic can go this season? I think bcs he has a well rounded game defensively and him and Dame in pick n roll is one of the better pick n roll duos in the league, both been healthy and anchoring the blazers defense I believe he can break this top 10
I think Gobert should be around 5, he's not versatile enough offensively or defensively for teams with elite ball handlers/playmakers due to their ability to exploit switches and bad perimeter defense. He's not top 3, he may not be 7th, but he does begin to become in some ways ineffective as an individual defensively player when it comes to those moments.
I’m excited for mazzula! WVU legend
Jokic, Embiid, Bam, KAT, Siakam, Rudy, Sabonis, Allen, Ayton, Rob Williams
Like how they all blame dmills for messing up the convo when it wasn’t even him lmao @28:00
My problem with Rudy is that he can’t take advantage of a smaller defender on him so teams can play small ball against him and the value of his rim protection drops a lot. If he could take advantage of mismatches he’d be maybe top 3 at the center position.
I'm pumped for Joe Mazzula as a WVU basketball fan!
I wouldn't have Sabonis on the list. He's such a negative on defence at a pivotal position I can't have him up there. Would rather have Williams and Allen, guys who may not do anywhere near as much as Sabonis offensively does, but do contribute and don't hurt to have put there at times. Also Kenny just because Rudy is a defensive hub doesn't mean he shouldn't do more offensively
GREAT shirt P
13:08
Same thing happened when Kobe passed. Rumors were thrown everywhere about who was on the helicopter, from all of his daughters to Rick Fox. Imagine being Rick Fox's family member hearing he "died" and having no information on that for several minutes; believing they're dead just cause of a rumor. Shit can hurt people and ruin their lives, even if just for a moment. It's not worth it, man. The media has to be better.
Kenny is an L man. Stop blaming Golberts deficiencies on his teammates. It’s him who fucks up. Also his teammates. But Rudy does too
But it's like blaming Shaq for not hitting free throws.
@@SilkyLew Shaq deserves blame for that. But it’s not near as bad as playing whole bad basketball games every year
Missed the live stream damn
BTW I had Rudy at 5 but then I realized Spicy P was on this list so Rudy moved down to 6th for me. I don't know why KB was heated when he only had Rudy a spot higher than Mike's.
My arguement for rudy being low would be..if he only play defense..you can put robert williams high up right?
35:45 Mike is hilarious 😂
P did say Sabonis lmaooooo it is his and Kenny’s fault DMills was right AS ALWAYS
P was talking about Val at 8 then DMills came in with the Sabonis one and fvcked up everything 🤣 after KB muted DMills, P was already confused and said Sabonis once instead of Val, then that was when Mike thought P was talking about Sabonis. DMills not listening to the discussion made everyone confused
Exactly
😂😂😂😂 yooo that shit threw me off cuz Then P said He went and looked at Sabonis.. I was like Huh…😂😂.. What’s crazy DMills then tried to blame Mike lmao
Yo wtf did d mills say at 10:23😂😂
taking opnion out of it .
1jokic
2embid
3gobert
4 allen
5kat
6bam
7 robert wwilliams
8porzingis
9 jakob poetel
10 haternstein
regular season for centres who played over 50 games
Watching 400+ Dalano Banton mins in 1 night is one of the most random things you can spend like 7hrs doing. Only ~300 to go. Don’t forget the 8 in playoffs.
I haven’t seen him play in college or rly much at all, but purely off stats, how’d he get drafted and get a gtd deal in the NBA? I get he’s a 6”9 “PG” but he was bad in limited PT his freshman year at Western Kentucky, transferred to Nebraska (redshirt Soph year) then his stats were w/e there.
27GP, 22GS, 27MPG.
9.6/5.9/3.9/1/0.9, 2.5TOV, 2.1PF.
50.7% 2P on 5.1att
24.7% 3P on 3att
65.9% FT on 3.3att
And he shot like booty from 3 and FT his freshman year too. Small sample size but he hasn’t shown he can shoot at all.
His deal is partially gtd for this year for TOR but I assume they’ll pick it up. Maybe he’s been showing strides in practice and stuff and will get more PT this season. Idk. Just dunno where he fits on the roster if he can’t shoot. Flynn doesn’t play much and he at least has shown he can prolly at least shoot the 3. Again haven’t seen film and it’s Toronto so I’ll just assume it was a good pick lol.
Bc there’s no real backup PG on roster beside Flynn and Banton. At least no vet…but I guess when FVV plays so much, and you have so many guys who can handle the ball that aren’t PGs, you don’t rly need anymore. Plus surely one of Banton and Flynn are at least capable if FVV goes down or w/e.
Bro who were you talking too? Typed a whole book to yourself.
I wouldn’t have Sabonis in my T10 for the EXACT reasons why he said he couldn’t have him higher. A C who can’t protect the rim has to be GOAT level on offense to make up for it.
The fact Gobert lacks the ability to take advantage of huge mismatches in the paint is a huge negative on his game
When the game slows down in the playoffs and a team has and uses the full 24 second clock just to get Rudy in the pick and roll I don’t care who the perimeter defender is eventually they are going to succeed in getting Rudy on the switch. From there the Jazz can either let Rudy get cooked and either give up a 3 or get blown by and give up a layup or send the double and leave someone open for potentially an open 3 or layup. That is why I don’t care how good of a rim defender Rudy is to just completely ignore that for Kenny who is such a basketball fan is insane. I don’t care if it’s Mutumbo or Mark Eaton or Manute Bol, the game has changed I get it most centers can’t guard the perimeter but guys like those I just named ^, are on a completely different level of incapable and being a liability the only difference is those guys didn’t play in the 3 ball era.
I agree Joel and the 76ers gotta get it down in the playoffs this year, but to say he isn’t criticized liked that and has to get it down this year but not say the same exact shit about Jokic is kinda wild to me
@Florent Stuart Ketchami Tchouleng Exactly there should be higher expectations for him but all they was talking about is that they could see him winning another mvp nothing about the fact the he has to get it done in the playoffs
@Florent Stuart Ketchami Tchouleng Again I don’t disagree with that, but 2 time MVPs are usually expected to with championships as well. It’s not that I think Embiid doesn’t deserve criticism it’s that to say he does but not feel the same way about a player who has been in the league just as long and has won 2 MVPs over him seems kinda goofy to me
I think DA in any other team besides Philly, Denver or Bucks, would be a top 5 center in the league
I’d be the corner sitting lock hitting 3’s
Ayton at 10 is crazy I had him at 5
The Fro disrespect is crazy and Mike completely disrespected Rudy😂. Great Pod but Mike went demon mode with dat hoody.
Thé différence between Mitch and Rudy is that if you take out RUDY and you put any competent center, they win. If you remove Mitch and you don’t replace him with another all nba type scorer at his place, the Jazz lose
Mike and Kenny arguing over Gobert, but they both had him at 6!!
p def said sabonis and val 😂😂😂😂💀💀
29:38 this why the confusion happened . He said sabonis
Pierre did his thing on pick a side
P petty. “Don’t look at me this yall argument. I jus wouldn’t let a nigga talk to me like that”😂
Kenny point about Gobert is dumb because his role is to rim protect means he can’t do anything else?
I think Rudy gobert has great value at shot altering, screen setting, overall rim protection. However he's someone's that has history of being game planned for in the playoffs. Also has semi low portability since it seems a successful team with him on requires good perimeter defenders. Plus against other powerful centers I'm not sure how effective he really is. It's hard to quantify his position but I think my view of him has fallen slightly since last season.
KB is right. Gobert is one of the greatest defenders of all time, and still a passable offensive player no matter how y’all hate.
Mike’s take on Rudy aged really well tho
Pierre, I don’t know if you posted it somewhere I need your top 10 pf
im convinced p the only one that watched ball
please drop on spotify!!!
“Interesting thing about sabonis” then blames another person for his mistake lmao @29:30🤡 cmon now foh
Kenny putting Sabonis at 8 and being mad that Gobert is 7 is hypocritical. He said Sabonis is elite offensively but atrocious defensively, but Gobert is the SAME THING just in reverse.
Defense is way more important for a center tho
Yea for once I really think Kenny is is doing too much. Gobert is good, probably could be higher than 7 but still i dont like it
Comparing Sabonis' offensive output and Gobert's defense should be illegal. Especially when you are talking about centers. Nobody in the league has Rudy Gobert's interior impact defensively. He single handedly played defense for the Jazz. Sabonis is a good offensive player on a team which needs defense.
@@coraldelaluna I think he’s like 3-5 hes the best rim protector in the league. Useless in the playoffs but so is kat 😂🤷🏾♂️ bam be looking to scared to score sumtimes so idk lol
What did I just read. Sabonis is nowhere near as good on offense as Gobert is on defense. It is nowhere near the same thing reverse lmao
Time stamps on these videos would be clutch
Can we get another fantasy draft before the start of the season
It’d be funny if the C’s don’t fw Udoka anymore because they grew up having crushes on Nia Long
KB GOT RUDY AT 6?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the way he arguin it's like he got him numba 1
For the Celtics Coach thing....it was an Entanglement 😅
Not letting Kenny talk to me like that lol
didn't jokic give gobert 48 last year lol
i feel so bad for dmill😭 yall just gotta tell him yall want him to corner sit
If KB and P get paid the same as Mike and DMills they tweakin 😂
Kenny definitely makes more than the rest of them
Pierre definitely got the best list
someone telling you locc in on the pod is wild😂😂
Surprised pascal made Dmills list
Gobert will always be Kenny’s Achilles Heel. Like Mikes argument is ass but his point is still right. Kenny always argues about what Goberts role is but that’s a flawed perspective.
This Domantas disrespect by Mike and Dmills is wild
W nike for putting go Bert at 7