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I really loved your Brittany spears video
I'm really sorry man, but I just can't listen to your voice. It sounds so annoyingly feminine, talk like a normal guy, I know you can.
I was really expecting the miley Cyrus last video😞
@@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury what?
“Speaking of feet, let’s go back to the Nickelodeon show drake & josh” 😂😂
Just gotta say the way Miranda avoided answering the question about the wedding was masterful 😂 class act
Yea lots of people are getting married! Lol
Yeah she did it the same way when asked about Jeanette’s book she’s very skilled at avoiding questions
she’s so sweet😭
She did do a great job! Unproblematic queen! 👑
@@jazzjazeemo this. She knew it wasn’t her story to tell.
It seems like Drake sees D&J as the golden years but Josh sees it as a huge chunk of time when people were just mocking him for his appearance. To an extent, I feel bad for both of them. Drake can't let go of the past and Josh possibly doesn't want to relive it.
Whoa....
in a way, josh also can’t let go of it either
Well said @moonieland
Damn, that’s the best explanation I’ve heard tbh. I would also add that they are both too passive and insecure to admit this. They, like many folks, would severely benefit from therapy. They both work in a toxic abusive environment and were both children during that time…it’s important to talk that shit out.
If only Josh was just open about and simply said how he felt over the D&J times, things would be better.
Sure, speaking of trauma isn't easy and requires time and therapy... but good lord, the way he's managing it is horrible. He only seems ro chase the best routes for success while also shaming on Drake. And his take on my country over the sequel pilot is the biggest BS I've heard. Yes, Mexico is a dangerous country... but so is USA and any country. No need to define it the way he did in a way to also insult Drake or the fans of the show.
Josh is coming off as a real asshole for being immature enough to not deal with his own personal problems properly. At least Drake knew he had better chances in Mexico and came here to be appreciated
After watching Quiet on the Set... It seems to me Drake wanted to stick with Josh because he genuinely enjoyed being around him. It helped him escape the demons he was fighting at the time. Josh meanwhile felt like he was playing second fiddle and would never be able to get ahead and Drake was just using him. In a way he was, but for positive reasons. These two need to fix what happened between them.
I think Josh is bitter he was not the star .but he is as a huge part of the shows success. He is loving the publicity really . because without this scandal no one would be on his you tube .so many don't remember it seems .
Drake becoming wildly successful but exclusively in Mexico sounds like the kind of weird plot point they would have on an actual episode of Drake and Josh 🤣
NO FOR REAL
I love that Miranda never fed into the drama when being asked about the wedding. She just changes the subject to just being happy for Josh and his wife as what they deserve. She's so sweet.
To the best of my memory, Miranda has always been a Class Act. Very professional.
@@gracehaven5459 love her!
i love her
Disney. Media. Training ✅
Actors are literally trained to talk to the media it’s all fake
"Speaking of feet, let's get back to Nickelodeon" 💀💀💀
Time stamp?!
@@christinez.1454 just watch the video
That seaway from the ad to the documentary was crazy. And well done
i caught it as they said it 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 perfect timing
Josh's script speaks volumes. "Josh and Drake" was a role reversal - he was making a fool of Drake to the extent that he felt "Drake and Josh" made a fool of him.
Word very sadistic on Josh’s part
Rxsctly
It's a shame that Josh feels that way. I mean I don't think a single kid that grew up with Drake and Josh saw him as a "fat clown" or anything like that. And it's weird that he sees it like that. Drake was the one with the "eating disorder" in the show. And in spite of being popular, the show portrayed Drake as dumb while Josh was very smart. There was no "humiliation" for either character, it was a back and forth of making fun of both in a comedy show, like it's supposed to be.
But anyway, it's clear that he carries a huge scar from whatever insults he endured at the time. He lost weight, but he did for public perception and not because of his own and healthy reasons, and has become a fake and bitter person, just like the people who treated him badly back in the day. It's beyond sad and a reflection of how brutal show business is.
@@TheJotaroKujo he's a good example of how you can have a sympathetic situation and still come off looking bitter and pitiful anyway
@@TheJotaroKujoexactly this. I think maybe in earlier seasons Josh was more of the punching bag, but they definitely became equals later on. Drake was cool, attractive and good with girls but was also portrayed as selfish, lazy, stupid, and kind of an asshole. Josh was goofy and awkward, uncool and didn’t have much luck with girls, however he was smart, witty, sarcastic, and ended up with an actual girlfriend unlike Drake. I guess being seen as less attractive or less cool really affected Josh. I think he resents his time on drake and josh and resents drake. And everything he does now seems like it’s about public perception and his image. He seems very inauthentic.
So.......who's here after watching the Quiet on Set documentary?🙋🏽♀️
This aged well 😮
Me. Been on a Dan Schneider rabbit hole, watching the shows, the documentary, and practically every TH-cam video talking about him, his shows, the cast members, the doc, etc.
Where can I watch it. TH-cam has deleted it I think. I can't find it
@@coreydesmond4233 It was never ON TH-cam. It's on HBO
Yup
“I was born during the Great Depression.. my mother’s” I DIED 🤣
There’s a similar joke like that on The Golden Girls
@@toriletteriello I mean... it's been 93 years. I'm sure the double meaning of "depression" joke was old hat by 1930. Edit: If I misread the tone, I'm sorry.
He got that joke from the 1995 movie "Stuart Saves His Family". It was an SNL movie centered around Stuart Smalley, it bombed horribly, but it's surprisingly heartfelt and dark.
I could see Josh watching it and sympathizing with Young Stuart as a fat kid.
Josh has always been a riot
lmaaao This was my fav moment of the video too
Mocking people for their size is disgusting. Mocking a CHILD for their size is EVIL.
Truly… sadly the world used to be okay with so much evil
Agreed! It shows just how gross the creepers writing the scripts were!
It was the early 2000 so...
@@BunScholar I pay so much more attention to what script writers and show runners are doing after growing up in the 90s-2000s. The creep meter is wild.
@@imyojimboandiusehacks8878 true but doesn’t erase how disgusting it was
I’ve noticed Josh has a history of being really mean-spirited towards Drake meanwhile Drake has only ever said positive things about Josh even when he didn’t get invited to the wedding he never attached Josh’s character or made jokes about his career the way Josh has done to Drake. I honestly don’t like either of them, Josh for how two-faced and disingenuous he is, and Drake for his sexual misdemeanours.
Truth.
Agreed. They’re both crappy people
I feel this. Both of them get the side eye.
yeah fuck that nice guy persona, i really aint buying it, especially after hearing that script lol what drake did is despicable when you look at it in black and white, but the human in me almost wants to give him another chance just for how much more genuine he seems to be, now i wont be surprised if he lets me down again, cuz thats drake, but who tf is josh lol that "make up" video was so forced, only for josh's benefit, seems like josh wants his turn at power and manipulation
Unfortunately, that's often what happens when ppl get famous at a young age. They get a big head about it and never quite develop the necessary humility to progress.
I love how Drake’s wife is acting like she’s has had a 16 year long feud with josh herself.
Yeah but I think she's just being supportive of him
Probably cause she knows more behind the scenes
Her attitude really doesn’t make Drake look great.
Yes lmao I noticed that too 🤣
As much as Josh appears to be a nice guy, it does seem like all the social media training has gone to his head. Like every interaction is a calculated step in his career. Drake is overly sentimental and untruthful as well but both of them give me a phony vibe, tbh.
Well put
thats actors for you
I agree
That's what a celebrity does
Funny how any time someone goes "I dunno about that Josh Peck guy..." you get a mountain of "Well that's just celebrities!" "That's what a celebrity does!!" but when referring to Drake (outside of his crimes) in even the nastiest most unfair broad strokes, everyone just nods their head and agrees that he's subhuman.
Miranda has always been so mature and positive when it comes to the media asking her uncomfortable questions. Love her
At least she had a better path in life. Most of the childhood actor types are screwed by the vices of Hollywood.
I mean she worked with Dan Schneider
Seems just as fake as Josh imo
I think it's a really interesting dynamic. To me, as someone who never watched the show and is looking at this from an unbiased perspective, it seems to me that Josh is a deeply angry person who was unwilling to confront that anger throughout his early years. This, at least to what I can see, comes from him being typecast as a child actor as the "Fat funny friend" and placed beside Drake who was typecast as "The handsome rebel." In real life, it looks to me that Drake didn't realize how bad the typecasting was, and never understood why Josh hated the show so much. And because he never realized it, Drake pursued a friendship with Josh after the show ended - which acted as a constant reminder of a time in Josh's life that he despised.
That being said, Josh's choice to write a reboot script at all seems like a backhanded response to the Fan's constant longing to see the duo get back together. It was like he said, "Okay fine, you want a script, let me write you a script," and then began to bash his former co-star's life and fans from every angle imaginable. The choice to write Mexican stereotypes is incredibly revealing to Josh's character as a person, and while I don't agree with Drake's constant pursuit of Josh, I think Drake was being entirely naive. I think he saw them as friends, while Josh didn't - and Josh's resentment denied him the ability to be gracious enough towards Drake to tell him the truth and have them both move on. I also have to add that Drake's allegations are interesting as well - since he doesn't come across as someone who is violent, just someone who doesn't know where the line is with people.
Well Said
Drake didn’t see him as a “friend” he was him as his ticket to fame. Whenever you hear about Drake Bell it’s always “where is Josh”.
Agreed, I think Josh took out the typecast thing on Drake. Which is not fair. I don’t think Drake was disingenuous on wanting a relationship with Josh.
I never watched the show either and my impression is that Josh, as an adult, was very passive aggressive about his anger towards the show and Drake. Instead of letting Drake know he'd out-grown their friendship, he backhanded Drake with an culturally insensitive script that made fun of Drake in a very mean-spirited way and basically gave a big F-U to all his previous fans.
At the same time, Drake is probably one of the most un-self-aware person I've ever seen. I forgot to write down the time stamps but seems like anytime he's interviewed about Josh after the show ended and Josh even had a smidgen of success, Drake looks positively green with envy. It's almost like he's vibing "Well, I was the good looking one. My career should have taken off more than his." But how could he have not known that being the "funny fat kid" would not be something Josh would want to be remembered for, or that the stereotype was hurtful to him? That he wouldn't want to be in Drake's shadow for the rest of his career? That maybe, just maybe, after you hit your twenties you might outgrow the friends you had when you were a teenager?
@@misshoneei63I would say both of them have this experience. Even at Josh's wedding, people were asking only about where Drake was. That must suck, since Josh comes across as very agressive and negative about his past. Which is partially understandable. Typecasting can be hurtful. But because Josh is so bad at communicating - I find it hard to see him as a serious adult. I don't see him as an actor now, whilst I do see Drake as a performer.
Miranda knew they were all weird, made her money, and left 😂 queen shit
😒
Yeah not calling out Dan S. Is queen shit
Didn’t she become a crackhead ?😅
@@gatorcroc7212 you really blaming the victim
it's called an NDA and Nickelodean makes families sign the contract with manipulation tactic of trust, Miranda was a literal minor when signed into it and her parents along with many, manipulated *parents were victims to losing their protection of their children! (similarly how average parents are losing custody of their kids to the schools over political and child molestors now too) SO Even after becoming older Miranda is still under that contract so she does the best she can, Janette even spoke out how much Miranda helped her behind the scenes @@gatorcroc7212
Although Drake is not a victim, I feel like everyone in these comments is just skimming over the Mexican stereotypes in the script that Josh wrote. My jaw dropped at every line that was read. Josh is not an angel by any means, I mean he was besties with David Dobrik of all people.
Edit: Obviously the first part of my comment aged very poorly and my heart goes out to Drake as he heals from his childhood trauma. Nobody knew about Drake’s situation until “Quiet on Set” came out and I am glad he is bringing light to the situation. My original comment was posted a year ago. The rest of my comment still stands, Josh Peck is a weirdo.
Yeah, I feel like the stereotypes of Mexico were really gross. I also believe that Josh wrote them more to nitpick at Drake’s actual life, but regardless, they were still horribly racist. If Josh wanted to get back at Drake via the Josh & Drake script, there were so many other ways.
Oh no! How dare he reference what’s happening in Mexicans daily lives. Lmao the cartel are vicious murderers that squash anyone that challenges them and Josh is bad for even talking about it ok
@@nintendoll182 LMAO uh…. Noting that the cartel is money hungry and murderous is the TRUTH. How dare he talk about what’s happening in people’s DAILY lives might make a privileged American uncomfy!
This, I’m mexican and all in for jabs at this forsaken place plus couldn’t care less about stereotypes about us (they be funi), but I think I’ve never been as grossed out as with Josh’s excerpts
@@p.e.miranda2038 I can agree on that, because that sorta stuff of drug cartels and mexico being stereotyped as dangerous and stuff is exaggerated it's also ironically how Mexican media portrays it as well, like, there's still a bunch of soap operas and tv shows and comedies that love using those kinda things, and nobody here really minds.
Without the context of living in the country tho, it can be seen as dangerous stereotyping or borderline racist tho
31:50 Dude, Miranda is such a sweetheart. She didn’t want to create more drama, and gracefully avoided the question.
She's a Class Act for sure
Yeah, such a sweetheart that when the iCarly reunion nostalgiabait opportunity dropped into her lap, she refused, citing the way that her costar was treated as the reason for her refusal.
Ooohhh, no wait actually she did the iCarly reboot anyway. Oof... Ahh... Gonna have to click my tongue on that one...
@@PinkManGuy if you actually knew a single thing about Jennette McCurdy, you’d know she’s stated a billion times how she loved Miranda. I’m pretty sure she doesn’t blame her for the whole reboot situation.
Maybe next time try doing some basic research on whatever you’re blabbering about.
@@PinkManGuy Miranda literally called Jennette to get her ok about it, she even tried to get Jennette to return because they had negotiated better work conditions and was ok when Jennette said no.
@@PinkManGuy jennette literally said it’s okay what are you getting mad for her behalf. They’re still good friends
The dynamic between Drake Bell and Josh Peck is intriguing. Drake clearly viewed Josh as a close friend, a bro. However, Josh does not seem to feel the way Drake did about him. When you become so close with a friend overtime. And when a said friend is not appreciating or thinking of you the same way it hurts.
I have a friend name Jacob, and we met in 5th Grade. However during COVID we did not talk for an entire year. What I can say, is that we still remain friends, even though we do not regularly keep in touch with each other. I do wonder though, if Jacob has ever felt the same way about our friendship.
You could ask him if you haven't
@@poeticjake9161 We're men. Take the L and move on.
askem. take the confrontation dawg, what's wrong with a lil rejection. cuz once you get the question out, it's done and you dont have to just think about it
I honestly thought Drake was being unfairly labeled the villain in the whole situation due to Josh's online presence and success and with the legal issues with Drake. I think Josh has deep embedded anger towards Drake from his experience during the Drake & Josh era as it was suggested in the end of the video. I swear I'll miss them.
Honestly now Josh is looking like a egotistical asshole. He tried coming for Jeannette McCurdy and making fun of the abuse she went through
@@alexanderbayarea did he fr mock Jennette? What an asshole, that is low. The poor woman went through enough with her mother, Dan etc., she hardly needs former colleagues piling scorn onto her.
“Legal issues”? You mean when he was trying to have sexual relations with teen children as an adults?
@@basicallyno1722 To be fair, girls can lie about their age and men can be dumb enough to fall for it. And since there's no legal defense for ignorance or being deceived and misled in these cases, your automatically done for.
@@basicallyno1722 I don't know the actual case and I won't pretend to know Drakes's intentions but I do know that some girls are willing to lie about their age, especially for celebrities and some guys are dumb enough to fall for it. There's no legal defense for not being aware of age or even being lied to, it's an automatic loss.
I think it’s a great idea for the reboot to be reversed roles as adults. The unpopular kid is now a successful adult and the popular kid is struggling as an adult in real life. Idk about the idea Josh pitched, but there def could have been something.
true the plot seems fun but I kind of agree that it is very racist and so much bad stereotype, they could have taken the the initial plot and made it into something truly amazing
Yeah I obviously don't like Drake but that script was a straight hit piece lol
The script was a complete joke on purpose. He was insulting Drakes actual career and basically insinuating dude was only popular in Mexico due to shady underworld involvement. Drake's an ass and abuser but this was Josh Peck being a petty xenophobic coward.
@@smokerscough2907 well said
Feels like the script’s prompt was: “what’s the definition of something Drake will say have to say NO to”
I've watched several videos regarding the history of Drake and Josh, but I think Drake couldn't move on from D&J BUT also genuinely loved his relationship with Josh. The thing is, Josh felt like he probably lived his whole childhood in Drake's shadow, which is why he downplays his friendship with Drake and whatnot. Both Drake & Josh have... Interesting egos. I feel bad for both of them to be honest, but obviously not everything can be like how it is on screen. It's a shame because their on-screen chemistry was very, very good, even in the random vlogs or videos from way after the show ended.
Either way, how Drake ended up is genuinely heartbreaking and gross. So sad for the victims.
Probably the most logical comment here..... I see a lot of favorability for Josh. but Josh is a weird guy too, with a secret vendita against drake this whole time..... And fortunately for him Drake fucked up and Josh is internally dancing on his grave while pretending to be the nice guy .......
This is exactly it.
I think Drake sees D&J as his biggest success, his claim to fame and what put him on the map. Josh sees it as a time when he was made fun of and mocked and he probably gets frustrated that that's what he's known by.
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He really is, and 45:55 you literally see the D&J sign but they just replaced Josh with Janet. I do feel bad for Drake’s perceived friendship with Josh, I think he is genuinely hurt. With that being said though, I don’t think Drake can let go of this relationship, he does have pride in his work but I think he is jealous of Josh.
I do think the comments are anti- Drake because of recent events, but it’s interesting to see him in recent years outside of recent events.
Best comment on here
What I see here is, a guy who always felt like he was in the shadow of his counter part. I also see another guy who understood, that the relationship he had with his counterpart made him extremely successful. Neither of those guys could let that go. As someone who was, and still am, an extreme fan of drake and josh and will still watch the show well into their 20s I understand the mentality behind both parties. Josh was always the butt-end of the joke, and felt like drake was always taken more seriously as a talent. Drake knows and understands that the chemistry between the 2 brought him great success. Drake is holding onto nostalgia while Josh is fighting to keep the past in the past.
Anyone else think that Josh Peck is just as monstrous but better at hiding it? why else would his story of events not match reality?
I think so. They’re both problematic in their own way
Friends with David Dobrik after all
Doesn't sit right with me how everyone acts like Drake it's the only problematic one. His vibe is so off tbh
Josh feels very arrogant. I’m not sure I would say narcissistic, but definitely leaning toward it. Even the way he spoke as a child. Not that it’s entirely his fault. It sounds like he essentially had to grow up early and be his own father since he lived with his single mother. Just the way little Josh describes “perfecting” what other people try or do, sounds so arrogant. Pile that with how he wrote himself to be successful but Drake to be a failure in the “reboot” really shows his colors.
That’s not to say Drake was in the right for not respecting Josh’s wishes to be more than a simple sidekick, but Josh clearly has a problem with pride and self-idolization. There’s a healthy level of drive, but the fact that he lacks humbleness in the way he speaks and presents himself, even pursuing the spotlight so much that he has to keep jumping from fad to fad and social media to social media, makes him less than honorable.
@buffysummers2904 oh yeah, even in the clips in this video it sounded like Josh knew everything that was going on and was just keeping quiet. Kinda gross....no actual gross
Throughout this entire video, you can really see how one sided everything is, even today. The sad look on Drake's face when he says Josh is always busy, but he'll be ready for a reunion whenever. The fact that he had a podcast called "Drake and Janet," completely copying the font and stylization of the original show's logo, even the Josh impersonator at the end of the Latino TV show. It reminds me of the episode of Drake and Josh, "Josh Is Done." Throughout the whole episode you see how Drake takes Josh for granted and is completely irresponsible, and Josh finally has enough. At the end of it all Drake finally admits what all of us I think knew all along: Drake needed Josh more than Josh ever would need Drake.
EDIT: Just wanted to say thanks for all the likes and feedback on this!
Agreed. Drake need him more.
He avoided him because he is a pedo
Really teaches you a lesson about never dedicating your whole life and success to someone else
I agree completely. I think Josh has harbored some ill feelings toward Drake, but never actually communicated to Drake how he felt. So of course Drake thinks they're cool because he doesn't know that Josh has secretly hated him all this time. I also think Josh didn't want to have his name connected to Drake's forever and he wanted to do his own thing.
@@StickyBunzNGlitter I agree. One thing I don’t agree with tho is that Josh secretly hated him. I don’t think he hated him. Personally I think josh just simply didn’t want to be seen a the fat kid anymore. Josh looked deeply into the situation and realized that he’d forever be connected to that and never elevate from his 10year old self. That’s why he didn’t wanna make a show with drake. Well that’s what I think lol😂😭. I’m just not sure if Josh hated drake or if he just really wanted to just move on from “Drake and Josh”.
Drake Bell radiates the same energy as those people who peaked in Highschool and will never let it go
EDIT:
For those of you without critical thinking skills Drake Bell being a victim of child abuse does not excuse him grooming minors as a grown adult, hope this helps!!!
How he can't let it go? He's literally only mentions his take on doing a reboot when asked during interviews. I'm sure after the interviews he continues with his own career and life not concerned with Josh!!🤣
@@SaeikoLeeAre you blind? I was going to post the same thing about peaking in high school until I saw heyjojo's comment.
@SaeikoLee He'll forever be known for that role and he lives in the shadow of that fame. Especially after pleading guilty to the accusations...
I Don’t think it’s about when he peaked & can’t let it go. I think it’s about the very hard realization that the fond memories & really good times he cherished with someone seemed to not be that important to the other person. This is my take but, I feel like Drake unconsciously decided very early on that that kid was gonna be his best friend for the rest of his life. Growing up together, being each other’s man’s of honor at their future weddings, the godfather’s to their future children, partners along the ride of life & he really cherished the bond they had while Josh, in a very valid way, probably never thought of the friendship to be as meaningful as Drake saw it in his mind. Like, maybe Josh viewed him more as really just a coworker, he had really good chemistry with, someone you come across in your life and were good acquaintances for a couple of years and that’s it. Maybe he had friends he had deeper connections with than the one he had with Drake but maybe to Drake he WAS the friend he had a deeper connection with. Sometimes you feel like you’re on the same page with someone but you’re not & for some people that’s really hard grasp & let go of the fact that the friendship you cherish so much & think is so special, is something that didn’t mean that much to the other person. To him it’s like a 10 year friendship down the drain, it’s understandable he’d be so affected by it.
@@orangegreen3769 I think also Drake and Josh had two totally different experiences during that time. They literally were their characters. Drake loved where his life was at and Josh wanted to change his.
Drake's wife has such a weird energy. She feeds into the drama more than Drake himself
someone had to say it!!
Yes! And how she keeps roping herself in saying "we" when it was just drake and Josh doing something. She seems very controlling
Thank you!!!! Clout chaser
Just goes to show she only married him cause he was famous.
Yessss
It makes sense now why Drake wanted to hold onto that relationship now… he didn’t get to experience it the way he wanted and it was a difficult stage in his life.
When Josh said “Because while he (David) is a bad person, he helps all of our careers.” At 35:21 that right there went over a lot of people heads just because of the tone that he used.
Josh strikes me as extremely smart and calculated, not necessarily a bad guy either but one who's maybe better at acting when people don't realize he's acting, I have to wonder if he purposely wrote such a racist script to solidify a reboot would never happen
I think this is a perfect example of the kinda of person Josh is, I'm not saying Drake is innocent or anything, but Josh's lies are scattered all over the internet. In conclusion I think they are both shitty people is just so happens that one is also a criminal
@@arikray7030 I think Josh is a bit of a fake person. I don't blame him for cutting ties with Drake, but to completely act that they were never friends just seems like a flat out lie. We don't know how close exactly they were, but Drake and Josh have both taken plenty of photos hanging out in the early 2010s years after their original show ended.
@@arikray7030 I tend to think he purposely wrote it that way, not only so it would never be aired, but also as a dig towards Drake
@@arikray7030 thats really disturbing tho lol
I don’t blame Josh for not wanting to continue the “comedy duo” act because he didn’t want to play backup to Drake. Calling yourself Dean Martin and your friend Jerry Lewis is saying “I’m the more successful actor and singer and he is my funny man.” The reason Martin & Lewis broke up because Martin didn’t want Lewis having a day in what they did, and went his own way, which hurt Lewis and ended their friendship. Why would Josh want to follow that lead?
@@TheFirstHurrah you're a drake stan we get it
In the end, both of them seem to be relatively unpleasant. One is far too focused on recreating his past, while the other was far too focused on redefining his past. In the end, it’s the fans who lose.
The fans will always have the show. For me, it's totally ok for them if they want to move on with their lives, they don't have to be best buddies forever just because they were costars when kids and have to please these fans for the rest of their lives. It's ok for them to grow out of it
After quiet on set, all of the new information makes all of this even more sad.
I feel for Josh because Drake reminds me of a obsessed friend I had who loved being around me, but they were super cruel. I actually wonder how Drake treated Josh behind the scenes.
Drake likely dismissed him often bc Josh used to be the "overweight" stereotype while Drake was the "hot" stereotype. Also they were kids and I'm sure egos were involved and bc Drake was the "hot" one, he likely mistreated Josh, even if it was just subconsciously. However Josh now has quite the ego himself and let's not forget, he eagerly participated in SEVERAL racist, sexist, problematic videos with David Dobrik.
Of course Drake is a disgusting predator who has preyed on multiple MINORS and so I'm not defending Drake here. In my eyes, Drake is disgusting and Josh has the ego the size of someone like Christian Bale would have... despite not having even half the acting under his belt. Also in this video, Josh made a racist/stereotypical script about Mexico for the "Josh & Drake" reboot. Drake is worse but I'm not a fan of Josh either.
I wonder the same thing
drake was clearly projecting onto him. when he talks about everything he planned to do with him i wonder if that was even a conversation between them or if he just assumed josh would want to be his right-hand man forever. it sounds like the latter. his plan would only benefit him. it doesn’t seem like he even considered what josh wanted for his career.
I agree with you guys, however, that script Josh wrote for their new show is really weird
Honestly one of my favorite episodes of D&J was the one where Josh finally put his foot down and stopped taking drakes shit. A reboot where Josh is the successful one would have been a nice twist. Drake just wanted Josh to be the same punching bag he was and Josh wasn’t having it lol
i kind of feel like Josh wrote the script that way and refused to change it so he could be like “well i tried” and not have to go through with a reboot. It really seems like he was pushed into it & that it was something he really did not want
He was obviously trying to detach himself from the Drake and Josh universe for good. It really seems like he was trying to make Drake hate him.
Josh seems to be so two-faced, omg... He says he loves Drake, but he definitely don't. He showed what he thinks about Drake when he wrote that script.
Damn it’s so heartbreaking to see how drake wants nothing more than them to be together, and how he doesn’t hold it against josh but he’s clearly hurt that josh doesn’t feel the same
He came out and tried to shit on him multiple times ruining his image but Josh never did it to him till he kept on and kept on
I have to agree with Josh that “he had the secret sauce” for Nickelodeon. His delivery has always been impeccable. No pun intended.
That's doing Amanda Bynes (his precursor and former senior actress/comedian at Nick) so dirty. She was the leading light of the channel.
@@pendafen7405 true, but amanda left by the time josh was starting to shine. i like to think she passed the torch to him
@@lilmisslizzyc Josh on his best day couldn't hold a candle to Amanda. She was another level of precocious comedic talent. Countless writers and producers were comparing Amanda to Carol Burnett, when Amanda was just 12 years old.
@@pendafen7405 you’re weird for caring enough to have such a strong opinion on this but… sure
@@lilmisslizzyc it's just that I'm passionate about championing female excellence, and feel like I want to speak out when men try to steal the shine of brilliant women.
They have a weird relationship (even before the actual criminal activity situation). But Josh obviously sees this as an old coworker or childhood friend from back home that you enjoyed but have moved on from. And Drake very much has the door open to rekindle the relationship. Neither are wrong but it's a tough situation to be in.
Also Josh is definitely wayyyy smarter than he let's on. I mean look how he avoided the whole vlog squad scandal. Not saying he's a bad or fake person but he must know so many secrets about people in the industry and he just keeps it very positive. (I saw a comment that maybe he might have wrote the script badly on purpose)
@@user-ki1xj5fl1i huh?
@@bruhsoundeffect787 simple answer Shane Dawson loves cats that’s all
I mean just five years ago Josh was still saying they would probably be friends forever and they were like real brothers.
Oh he def does. The whole Jeanette situation proves it. Also gave me major ick how he kept calling himself a “good/nice guy”
I feel like he wrote Josh and Drake horrible on purpose so there's no reboot at all.
Drake definitely clung to an ideal reality in his mind for years, not really thinking about anyone else. And Josh just wanted to move on with his life and explore new things. Drake’s perspective actually reminds me of what it was like to be a kid, and you and your friends would be like, “We’ll move in together, and then move into houses next to each other, and have bbqs every week, etc etc”
It feels like this is going to need some revising post- Quiet on Set
Can we just appreciate that "I was born during the Great depression. My mother's." is amazing
That's a really old joke.
@@thisismyyoutube1846 Not everyone has heard it before, and since when does age take away from whether a joke is good?
Hilarious
@@thisismyyoutube1846 ok?
Can someone explain this joke to me? I don’t get it
The problem I think is that Josh never had the guts to tell Drake that he was just a co-star. Everyone in the comments seems to be putting Drake in this stalker, too attached field but it honestly just seems like Josh never told Drake, "look, I don't want to do anything with you past that." because Drake wouldn't have been hanging on so much if he would have just came out and said he wasn't friends and didn't want to be.
right. they both had different views on their relationship. i don’t think drake was being a crazy stalker. he was someone who thought somebody was genuinely his best friend doing this, not an ex-coworker
I agree.
I don't think that's the case though. I think there actually may have been a bond there but jealousy got in the way. Josh wanted to distance himself from the chubby "loser" kid he felt he was, the supportive role to Drake. Drake reminded him of a past self he wished to truly forget.
I think Drake not being invited to Josh’s wedding was a clear sign that Josh did not consider him to be close friend. Drake can feel sad about that, sure, but the fact that he called him out on Twitter for it and ruined the day for Josh & his wedding is not excusable, and reveals the crappy kind of person Drake is.
@@celineypie Drake called Josh out the day after the wedding when pictures were posted, Josh is the one constantly trying to say it was on his wedding day. To his defense, Drake did delete it within the day. It doesn't help that very visibly Josh tries his best to push Drake as far out of his life as possible, but always has it in him for a quick PR stunt with the guy when his fans turn on him.
The fact this video was made without knowing the whole story makes this all wrong
My thoughts exactly, this makes me think if Josh knew what happened to drake
@@dancooper2377highly doubt it
To me it seems like Drake can’t let ‘Drake & Josh’ the show go. That was the only thing he has ‘successfully done’. Always having to be a pair, but never solo or going into his own adventures. I mean his own podcast is called ‘Drake & Janet’ with the logo being a copy of Drake & Josh. Also why is Drake’s wife trying to act like she is a victim, she never was apart of ‘Drake & Josh’ the show? Has she ever even met Josh, she’s fighting her husbands ‘problems’?
I agree, he peaked there and it’s been a slow decline.
Also while I grew up watching the show, Drake’s Character always pissed my off, yeah I thought he was hot but I would never hang out with someone like him. I always liked josh because he seemed really nice.
I mean even if relatively small he wasn't unsuccessful in mexico, and his wife is like his lifepartner. That's like the closest person you could ever have. Of course she's invested in his life and with his problems and wishes. I also don't understand why josh life streamed their meeting. But otherwise I do agree that he really seemed to be unable to let it go. And he seems to lie a bit. Josh seems a bit weird about it, too tho.
Janet was really annoying here. Kept talking over and interrupting Drake.
@@jjjonse idk how sis is proud to be w a pedo & have a whole ass child w them but she was talking alot during that podcast
That’s not true. He was very successful as a musician in Mexico - he certainly did that on his own.
Josh seems to be doing very well for himself. It is incredible how talented he was: at the young age of 10. With standup comedy no less.
Most definitely doing very well for himself and yeah, no way I'd be standing up infront of so many people at 10 and not completely freeze up lol. Very talented
Not only that, but he was very smart from a young age, too; how many ten year olds would have known that Italians didn’t develop pasta, much less see that metaphor.
Yes, but he needs to work through his own feelings of feeling 'lesser than' because he was the bud of the joke. He thinks that made him 'lesser than' as if everyone couldn't tell that this was an act and that the act needed somebody to be the protagonist.
My smartest friends are also the wackiest and self-depreciative-funniest, their humor is a sign of intelligence. He really needs to separate his feelings towards Drake and that feeling of 'lesser than'.
That line about being born during the Great Depression is fantastic
Exactly... my God stand-up is hard for adults even ( really it's not just a anyone can do it actually not a whole lot of ppl succeed at li ) but he had the stage presence & control of the crowd & delivery the timing just all of it that's why seeing him do it at 10 blew me away u could tell he was born to be funny I mean look at him as a young kid he knew how to make ppl just laugh.
So Drake irl is basically like Josh in the show, and Josh irl is like Drake in the show. Got it.
I think some people just have a hard time understanding that friendship doesn't need to be forever. A lot of times you have a friendship that serves you for a specific amount of time and then you grow out of it. That happens and it's ok to happen.
Seeing their real-life relationship play out the way it has is heartbreaking but sometimes, you outgrow some friends and you go on different paths.
I feel like Drake has a weird dependency on Josh. Like he seems to feel superior to Josh and needs him around to feel better and relevant.
Yes I sensed this too!
Yeah that's the vibe I'm getting too. Like Drake is supposed to the the "cool guy" and Josh is the "clumsy goofball" or something.
I think as a teen and early 20s he thought that but late 20s it became apparent that he needs josh more than josh needs him.
Reminds me so much of the episode “Josh is Done” from the Drake and Josh show.
If he felt superior to Josh he wouldn't need him around to feel better
Seeing this now after watching quiet on set, makes you realize a lot…..
Can we appreciate the editing of this video? It was so good and the way the Drake & Josh theme song played at the end of this video was just gold it felt so inappropriate but so right lol. Like this relationship they had across the years was a weird dumpster fire and all we could do is remember what they had onscreen back in the day with that iconic theme song that felt haunting in this vid (at the end)
I don't really think Drake understands that Josh was literally the joke in their original series. Drake got to be cool, everyone like him, and Josh was the fat goof. I don't blame him for not wanting to revisit a time like that.
That was in universe
In real life everyone saw drake as a selfish idiot because that’s what his character was written to be. Josh, the nerdy goof with genuine feelings, and drake the talented attractive guy who’s dumb and a womanizer(that attracts dumb women)
@@TheFirstHurrah hardly considering josh still got treated like shit-
Fr! Especially as the show was getting older, there was moments where Josh got treated cold and I would go “Aww poor Josh”. For example: in Really Big Shrimp, there was the ending credits scene where even Helen’s brother just says to him “mmmmhmmm” to him so rude after all Josh did was introduce himself to him super nicely
Josh was the one who ended up in a stable relationship by the end of the show.
@@wakkaseta8351 and even in real life, got married before Drake did.
We can't act like Josh is any angel now even though the heat is only on Drake. I am 100% Josh is aware of all the gross things the vlog squad does but he keeps his mouth shut so he can still benefit from the relationship
10000%. Was hoping at least someone would mention this in the comments.
Yes!! People are skimming over all the nasty things Josh did, like the mockery of Mexican culture in the script he wrote. As well as being a bootlicker to problematic people like David Dobrik
true, but like, being friends with an asshole and being a literal convicted child predator are WAY different
@@darylsalinasexactly I’m on Drake side… Drake did other shows… but still had alot of respect for Josh and Josh treated him like crap in the end… couldn’t even invite him to his wedding and that’s pretty fucked up
@@angelicapeterson2249idk Drake getting involved w/ minors is fucked up too 💀
False Fact on 37:38
Drake Bell confirmed on the Yordi Rosado podcast that his change of last name to 'Campana' was blown out of proportion; he simply google translated his last name to know what it would be in spanish and was shocked at the news outlets jumping conclusion to him legally changing his name.
The way Josh have always painted Drake as the bad guy and the one who doesn’t want anything to do with him, while in fact, Drake LOVES Josh and it’s obvious he sees him as family.
drake bell is weird but the “I’m always on tour, he’s always at David Dobrik’s house” made me cackle 💀
I seriously remember feeling extremely uncomfortable with Drake constantly making out with girls on the show...I was honestly shocked it was allowed
SAME!!!
Iirc sometimes it got really close to the mark, like showing a few seconds of Drake grabbing ass or one of his girlfriends moaning during makeouts. Then again, this sometimes would happen on other 90s & 2000s teencoms, like 'Boy Meets World' & 'Zoey 101'.
Same honestly. I would have rejected Drake.
I would be PRAYING my mum wouldn't walk in, I felt like I was watching something I wasn't supposed to
They kiss in Disney movies too. It’s not a big deal lol
"You know, you remind me of my stepbrother..."
"Oh, is he awesome?"
"No, no, he's in jail for stalking Oprah."😂😂😂😂
Excellent work. Held my attention the entire time. Really good pacing and structure. Excellent use of media to support the intended communication.
You hit the nail on the head right at the end. Its simply came down to Josh not liking Drake like Drake liked Josh. Josh grew a grudge against Drake for being the fat kid butt of the joke stereotype and it never left him. He hated it so much its literally whats let him to get in shape and once he did that he started feeling himself and happily walked away from what he saw as a bad experience. Sad really. Hope the best for Drake and Josh and hopefully they can both move past their struggling
I honestly see parallels to the Arianna and Jennette relationship, like even if they may not despise each other, I’d be pretty upset too if I was speaking about the abuse me and my coworkers went through and the people “allegedly “ getting abused the most didn’t even want to speak out… all I’m saying is I see patterns.
It really is unfortunate how everything unfolded between the two. Drake and Josh’s on-screen chemistry was honestly incredible and always fun to watch. It’s pretty clear to see that Drake has a “peaked in high school” vibe to him where he really couldn’t move on from his time on Nickelodeon which led to him eventually depending on Josh and became the root for a lot of his controversies and eventual downfall. I don’t think Josh is innocent either, where in a lot of cases Josh comes off as disingenuous. I genuinely think that Drake wanted to maintain a strong friendship with him after the show ended but I definitely understand why he wants to distance himself from the show due to the trauma he experienced while he was on the show as well as distance himself from Drake later on with all of his issues and drama. It would be nice to see them reconcile but it seems pretty unlikely now. It’s pretty clear that their egos will get in the way of that happening where Drake plays the innocent card and likes to think that it’s still 2006, while Josh will continue to downplay his friendship with Drake and history on Nickelodeon while he proceeds to be on the iCarly reboot which I think is a subliminal diss towards Drake with the D&J reboot falling through. It’s really just frustrating and petty on both ends
I think Drake hid who he really was on camera and Josh knew the real him. Drake never considered Josh’s feelings about being a duo and Josh didn’t want any conflict but Drake wanted all the smoke over trivial things. Drake isn’t entitled to Josh, if Josh wants to go on his own path he has every right to. Drake is just self centered and always playing the victim. He had to make everything public to get hate on Josh when he could’ve had a private convo with him. Clearly he never cared what Josh wanted he only wanted his imaginary “Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin” duo. That’s not what Josh wanted. If Drake was mature he could’ve seen that and laid off. If drake was mature he could’ve gone at things a way different way than he did. Josh setting boundaries and not wanting Drake around is valid. Again Drake is not entitled to Josh.
I am with you for the most part, except it feels more like he wanted josh to be his sidekick for the rest of their lives.
Josh including racist stereotypes on the parody taking a stab at Drake is petty and childish too. Being bullied for your weight as a kid gives you no right to spew racist bs because you haven't gotten counseling to get over your childhood trauma. And all these comments are missing that. They're saying Drake isn't over the show, but clearly Josh isn't either.
@@asha_vere Recently Josh has gotten into some hot water too, with Jennette McCurdy blocking him on Instagram over something on his podcast. Again, not trying to defend Drake, but this just adds to the fact that Josh isn’t innocent either and is very fake
How he can't let it go? He's literally only mentions his take on doing a reboot when asked during interviews. I'm sure after the interviews he continues with his own career and life not concerned with Josh!!🤣
It’s interesting, when I was younger I thought Drake wanted to distance himself from Josh to be taken seriously as a musician but after all the interviews it seems like Josh was the one distancing himself. They have such good chemistry together- what a shame that they couldn’t keep up their comedic duo. I mean Ben Still and Owen Wilson team up a lot, and so does Adam Sandler and Rob Snider. They could have kept it up.
listen the way y’all made “i ran over oprah” fade out was so funnnyyyyyyyyyy
Josh’s standup from his youth is incredible.
“I was born during the Great Depression… my mother’s” killed me 😂
Drake saying ‘I can’t believe he’d write me in the script as the bud of the joke’ and not realizing that’s exactly what Josh had to endure for so long literally blows my mind. Yea Josh, it’s ok to have you be the ‘fat insecure comedy guy’ while I was the ‘hot guy who gets girls and is cool’ for your entire life but I can’t believe you told me to go hug myself… like whu? Drake makes me feel so uncomfortable.
This doesn't quite track though, when you remember that they *both* played a duo of goofy loser sidekicks with equal social status (lesser to the lead actress and the guest stars) as young teens on The Amanda Show, years before they ever had their own sitcom and leading roles. And iirc on TAS, Josh's weight & looks rarely ever came up as a punchline.
Well not really. Drake even said that he would've been okay with playing a failed actor. It's obvious that he was against the reboot because he was in fact a relatively successful musician in Mexico and the script was a total parody of his real life and ridiculing his fan base. It really sounded like Josh was mocking Drake's career. Why else would he want him to play a failed musician and include all of these completely derogatory elements concerning Mexicans and Mexico, when, like Drake said, he could've played a failed actor in NY instead. He would've been a complete idiot if he'd agreed to do it. Edit: Some people in the comments mentioned that Josh might have done that on purpose in order to deter Drake from wanting to do a reboot with him, which I can totally see. Nonetheless, I think it's unfair to suggest the reason as to why Drake didn't want to take part in the reboot was because he would've been the butt of the jokes. Possible? Yes for sure. But as it stands he had plenty of other good reasons for refusing.
@@ASAMB12 he actually said he’d be happy if he was a failed musician OR BOTH of them were.. I doubt he would accept any script that wrote him in a bad light. Have no qualms with what he said about the cartel part, I agree with that :) hence why I didn’t talk about it in my rant lol
I don’t think drake is mad about being the bud of the joke for the reboot. He even said he’ll be a failed whatever Josh wants. He was upset that Josh essentially mocked and stereotyped Mexico which is a country drake really cares about. And honestly in drake and Josh both of them were the bud of the joke. Drakes character was extremely stupid while Josh’s character excelled at school and work. And Josh’s character had the happy ever after with the long term girlfriend. And in many episodes drake expressed his love for Josh.
Josh was dodging Drake's attempts to get back together for years and if it wasn't for the rabbid fans pitching a fit, I doubt he'd be doing the "look we're still friends!" vlogs. He clearly doesn't want to go back to that dynamic.
I personally think he did the script like that on purpose to bury the idea for good by forcing Drake to back out himself. It worked.
Wow, I've got so invested in your video. You really did an amazing job storytellingwise. I had no idea about them two not getting along very well
Ive always found this so sad. Drake obviously really loved his time on the show and cherished his relationship with Josh who seemed to want to get away from bejng "Drake and Josh", which is understandable wanting to be seen as a more serious actor but dont leave behind the people who were there before. I dont know what hapoened behind the scenes as there could be issues between them that no one but they themselves know about but I will say it always sucks to lose someone you've been so close to for so long just to find out they didnt invite you to such an important event as a wedding. John Stamos' tweet was just childish and unnecessary
Drake reminds me of the friend I had that literally brings up being the main role in 6th grade every chance she could. She always said yeah you're my right hand and we'll always be best friends. I haven't seen her since high school. When I announced I was pregnant 4 years ago she bit my head off for not telling her first. I haven't talked with her beside through Facebook since graduation. 🤷♀️
when you said "role in 6th grade" i thought you were in high school, but the fact that youve been graduated for years is yikes
This is why I honestly can't be sympathetic for Drake. I have been seeing many comments saying he should have said something. Clearly you never had to delt with a toxic friend even if you tell them they are still not going to listen. I feel bts Josh did try to tell him and he kept pushing.
People are terrified when they find out where they really fall on the pecking order of people’s lives. They find out just how inconsequential they are.
Same. I had a friend from the age of 6 to the age of 8. We met went I moved to her town. They my mum and I moved to another different country and she keeps pestering me for not telling her about my life. Ma'am, it's been 20 years! I know nothing about this woman but she calls me her best friend. It's weird. Don't do that
Some of these responses are sad. I don't like to think I'm that toxic friend but even after high school is over I still like keeping in touch with my pals. Sometimes I even get sad cuz I'm the only one checking up but thats who I am. I can see why Josh wanted to switch rolls tho but it kinda sucks he did it that way. Since he felt like shit back then now he needed to make drake feel like he did.
Sadly, he was typecasted for so long and it is probably very difficult to break out of that. Josh mentions someone like Zendaya who has been very strategic of what roles she takes, never playing the same type of characters. Her character on Disney also was not a common archetype that is hard to get out of. She was a dancer which is pretty transferable in roles. Someone like JLO was able to break out of the dancer role and get into acting too.
I don’t feel sad for Josh he’s literally a bootlicker who uses people for clout. He also has said and done tons of problematic and racist shit. Not to mention how he benefited from the vlog squad for years by keeping his mouth shut about all the fucked up things they were doing. He has no morals
Thank you for the upload!
This video needs way more views. Incredible work
The whole wedding situation just seemed so irrelevant. I understood that it’s been several years without being by each others side, but if you aren’t close anymore then you aren’t close. Josh not wanting to invite Drake to the wedding because of their relationship being separated by time is fine! They split apart, it happens. It felt like a overreaction to something really simple, idk.
Yeah drake was such a drama queen acting like that people move on
Yeah when that happened, so many people were upset, and I was talking about it with some people and I asked, "Well are they even still close?" Like if they had still been hanging together all the time, I would've understood Drake. But y'all haven't talked or hung out in years. I had friends I was close too, but now We're just social media buddies. If I saw that one of them got married, I'd just be like, "so happy for you old chum."
It absolutely was. Obviously you’re going to feel some type a way when you find out your relationship wasn’t as close as you thought but that’s not something you air out on a huge platform!
It's not even that.
It's that Josh continued to let Drake think everything was cool between them and that they were still pals.
And then he suddenly announces his wedding the day of and it's revealed he not only didn't invite Drake, but he never even told Drake about it.
Yeah drake overreacted he deleted the tweets because he realized it was silly. He probably thought he was having a huge wedding that everyone but him was invited to.
Josh is so talented even as a little child wow
hi BJ 💖💖💖 love you mean it
Agreeeeed ❤
And so cute with his lisp and child appropriate jokes ❤❤
Oh shit BJ! YOU DA BEST! 💕
as a Mexican (and a non-drake bell fan) I actually applaud him form declinin' that reboot, that narcos thing is SO insensitive and kinda racist tbh... and now I don't like josh peck...
I relate to both of them so much. Sometimes we have a soft spot for people who don't even like us. And sometimes those people have their own situation going on and just want to move on. The people we love aren't ours. 😢.
the tragic noise every time dan schneider is mentioned has me CACKLING HAHAHA
I had to scroll so far down to see this, thought it was just me 💀
drake is so obsessed w the sitcom he did in the 2000s truely irl bojack
Most comments here seem to be on Joshes side but I’m actually more empathetic toward Drake. No excuse for his behaviour with women though. But Drake truly treated Josh like an old true friend, growing up together and not talking for awhile but having each others back. Whereas Josh’s friendship seems a lot more calculated he stands by him when it’s good publicity and throws him under the bus the very moment he falls from grace. Kind of feel bad for Drake..
100% agree
This is exactly my take. Not trying to excuse the situation Drake was in with a 16 year old but I feel like the more I see Josh talk the more fake and calculated he seems and Drake seems less calculated and more from the heart on his take. I can see why Josh would have animosity with being the "fat" one in the show and wanting to move forward but i also understand why for Drake, it was just great times. Idk. Sad that they do not seem to really be friends in a literal sense at this point.
@@sinbient Drake didn't even know her age though.
@@controversialopinion5722He's an adult, he should ask for her damn age
Josh clearly holds a grudge against Drake because he hated being the "dorky fat kid". Pretty fucked up that he takes that shit out on Drake.
I cant help but think Josh was bitter about how he was portrayed by Nickelodeon and is taking it out on Drake.
Yee
He's taking it out on Drake for not letting him let go. In all of these instances and interviews he lowkey makes Josh look like the bad guy who hates the public bc he doesn't want to do the show again, when he has every right to it. Drake was the one who ruined his wedding days by making ppl online get mad at Josh for not inviting him when he... didn't have to??? It's been clear that for Josh they were not super tight and barely speak to e/o, but Drake is so attached to what they did together that he keeps on publicly punishing Josh for not wanting the same things as him, for not having the same fond memories of those times.
that is exactly it!
I really don’t like Drake’s wife… she seems to enjoy slandering Josh more than Drake does
She’s weirdly jealous
Me neither, she also interrupts Drake every second of that podcast episode 🙄
frrrr
yes shes annoying but drake is an actual convicted abuser. while she does defend him and def has pick me attitude lets not forget who the real problem is here
i was looking for this comment… i’ve only seen whatever was in this video and i already can’t stand her …
Josh took out his insecurities on Drake. Being the butt of the joke due his weight had to do with the writers not Drake.
I hope with all the details of the new doc that everyone involved is able to heal moving forward .
Miranda is such a class act
Josh paved a career for himself. Drake can't let a sitcom from 2004 go.
neither of them could have predicted their career trajectories. they were both free falling for awhile, but it seems Josh landed a little more gracefully.
Right
It's cause drake's trauma bonded, they molest and rape lot of kids even boys
I don't think its about "Drake and Josh" the show, it was about both of them wanting to go forward together, until one of them didn't. I honestly believe that if Josh would have told Drake he wasn't wanting to ever hanging out or do anything again, the whole thing would have went differently...instead of skating around the issue for so many years.
Drake is the real life Bojack
And now drake has a doc about being SA on set. Teenage fame is not all it seems
Children going through abuse are, more often than not, not fun to be around. They can be erratic, inappropriate, or turbulent. To expect Josh, as a child, to bear the weight of that relationship when full grown adults were causing all the damage is insanity. These were children. They were not responsible for each other then, and they arent now.
I agree, but the difference now is that they are adults. If Drake is expected to get help for his issues, and evaluated negatively for his poor behavior (which he is), then Josh should be held to the same standard. And it just seems like the way he's taking out his issues on Drake now is cruel and undeserved.
Drake genuinely cares. The fact that he said it’s not gonna be the same thing as every other reboot at the time. “It’s not us in college” or like “fuller house” the fact that he said that directly, makes me genuinely think this would’ve been a successful project.
There is so much demand for it and so many fans are open to any kind of continuation that it would have been difficult to make it a flop or a disappointment. That's why Josh's alleged script has shocked people to their core.
I think Josh wrote it to be a “F U” to Drake and to make Drake hate him. He got sick of him and sick of hearing about a reboot. Especially after he pulled all the drama stuff after his wedding and the constant begging for attention I don’t blame him. Drake wanted Josh to be his side kick for the rest of his life.
Josh is funny as hell and I always thought he was the attractive one ❤
I second literally all of this!
The operative line in the script was “Hug yourself, f***head.”
@@matthewbrodnitz1047 Lmao right
Totally Josh is so handsome now
I had a crush on Josh when he was chubby though
How anyone can defend Josh is telling. Smh, Josh Peck is a resentful and hateful person. And funneled his insecurities onto Drake bell in a mean spirited and hateful way.
I really hope Drake can recover and become successful w/o his past. Because his fault was holding onto something that is long gone.
Drakes wife just seems to love gettin involved, shes smirking and laughing at questions as if she is Drake, she answers for him too like.... girl it aint about you
Man she was annoying me the whole video 🤣
Exactly 😂
i was obsessed with the show and personally always preferred josh, he was/is super talented, never seen old videos as I was a toddler during the Amanda show but from the start wow he always had the talent. also love your videos!
It was one of my favorites at the time and even just the way the character Drake behaved (especially early on) had no redeeming qualities. Character Drake was one note and, even when he did change, it was more just "oh yeah, I should be a decent human." It's like they gave him a simple character because he couldn't hand any more - not saying that's what happened, it's just how it felt to me. Like we get it, he's self-absorbed and and only cares about seeing hot girls, it was such a worn out trope even back then.
Character Josh was both funnier and far more sympathetic; his character arc from oblivious/doormat into a person confidence and refusal to allow certain things, like when he is standing up for him more and holding his boundaries better... That's a real world kind of arc, far deeper of a role. Even with that goofy comedy, he made character Josh real.
I dunno, I just think it emphasizes Josh's skill as an actor. I know he was typecast as the "funny fat friend" but in that show, he did have a deeper character behind that than those roles typically have (especially in sitcoms).
@@sourgreendolly7685 completely agree!!
I agree, I always liked Josh’s character and didn’t see why girls liked Drake. Drake didn’t have a job and used Josh as a punching bag.
I think the saddest thing about adult hood in terms of tv is learning and realizing what kid actors went through back then on set and then seeing some of them today completely out of their minds or becoming abusers. The golden age of child’s entertainment was so good and some of our best memories, while it was some of their worst. It’s just upsetting
Really great video! There's been a lot of manipulation on each side of the argument (Drake's side and Josh's side) trying to turn the narrative in their favor, and I think you did an amazing job at summing it all up, without forgetting any detail.
Personally, I don't really believe Josh has resentment toward Drake. I think he really was trying to distance himself from him as fast as possible, following all of the abuse allegations that came up, and exaggerated the whole 'we were never close' thing. Both of them seem very disingenuous to me, and I think we'll just never know the full truth about this. I used to be a big fan of the show, but now I don't have a lot of love left for either of them after what happened. It's kind of sad.
If anything, I'm just glad Miranda Cosgrove was not caught in the crossfire and very smartly avoided making any comment on it. Good for her, good for her!
But also, Josh did invite random people from his "current" work to his wedding and the fact that he chose to not stay in contact w Drake was mostly his decision as well...
No really, he's deflecting so much
I'm literally blocked by Drake on Twitter for calling him a pedo so do not think I am defending that mf about those subjects. HOWEVER. This actually broke my heart for Drake.
He loves Josh, Josh is his family. Josh calls it, "It's like we both worked at Coffee Bean at 16." What the fuck?
That relationship was so much more than that. I understand Josh has trauma from Drake being "the hot one" and him being "the fat one" and feeling overshadowed by his co-star. That doesn't make the dynamic Drake's fault. Just as Josh couldn't help his appearance, neither could Drake. Neither of them chose that. Seems Josh needed a villain in his story in order to succeed and is obsessed with himself. He comes off incredibly dishonest and manipulative. His WHOLE vibe, as a FULL GROWN ADULT & HUSBAND & FATHER, reminds me of Cole Sprouse's "surprise! it's a human experiment!" Tumblr post from eons ago now.
I agree, thank you for putting it into words
"He loves Josh." Yes, pure and simple that is the truth. And in a way, the problem. Because it's not really in a 'family' way...
between Josh's ego and Drake's legal troubles, my childhood is in shambles
@bo rick yup
Not mine. I know how to disassociate 😂
Idk who Janet is but she seems weirdly jealous of the relationship Drake had with Josh?
Yeah and there were a lot of "we" statements from her...
That’s his wife lol
@@melanie1825yeah?? when drake was talking about not wanting to offend his fans in latin america he said “everything i’ve built” and she kind of corrected him and said “we”???? like????
did they invite Josh to THEIR wedding?
@@samanthajones3493 They are married
i find so much justice in this new view of josh. we all loved him & saw drake in the light that josh painted (jealous/bitter). now we're realizing who really was those things & drake is getting the love & support he deserved. i feel for josh..all his childhood emotional trauma. but like, he's an adult + an influencer of sorts + a DAD! it's time to get therapy & heal, my guy. this ain't a good look. & EVERYTHING he does is recorded 😭
Gotta see quite on set. you get more answers on drake and this time of his life and why he holds that time on drake and josh so close
Josh wouldn't like looking back at a time when he was a fat butt of the joke while drake was seen as cool and always seen as hot. Like he's missing that .its probably not giving Josh the same warm feelings as it did for drake plus he kept wanting him as a side kick type character. He doesn't want to be that anymore. Or be seen that way. 🤔 that's definitely hard for someone who's never experienced being laughed at picked on or bullied to see. Drake was cool in high-school and Josh was lame but drake can't understand why Josh hates thinking about high-school or trying to relive it
But what was cheap on joshes part was the way he wanted drake to play a "failed musician " 😒 like really bruh. You got something you wanna say. Like that was lame. No need to pull the I have the better life type shit. 😌 no need at all.
@@seriousblakk yea exactly that was a politically correct jab at Drake...... Josh has always secretly not liked Drake since they were kids, and hes loving that Drake fucked up.... And the whole sweet guy act is fucken gross...... They are both fucked up in the head.
This doesn't quite track though, when you remember that they *both* played a duo of goofy loser sidekicks with equal social status (lesser to the lead actress and the guest stars) as young teens on The Amanda Show, years before they ever had their own sitcom and leading roles. And iirc on TAS, Josh's weight & looks rarely ever came up as a punchline.
@Penda Fen yea but they blew up with their own show. At that point they had more fame and attention. Plus the age difference. Back then they were silly kids. By the time the show came around. "Girls" and "popularity probably became more important to both. By then Josh was still seen as more goofy while drake was gaining more of a sex appeal as a character. They played that up as the show continued
@@seriousblakk 'Girls and popularity probably became more important to both'---just girls? Because I've heard some...different stories.