I admire your channel for showing me new tools I would never hear about otherwise. One subscription on youtube and I am up to date with all the new cool stuff. Also you are great in video editing, your videos are fast and go straight to the point. Love it. Thank you.
Not gonna lie, I thought he was a paid Google shill at first, because his name is so similar to Firebase, and I only knew of him through his videos talking about Angular.
@Jack Clayton Literally the channel's name was AngularFirebase, you can see that in the videos uploaded about 4 years ago. What a great channel was and is.
Trying out Supabase after I was unpleasantly surprised by the fact that Firebase doesn't provide text search. So far, I'm amazed, it works so well by abstracting the boilerplate code of relational databases (the API simply gives you the JSON), while supporting search and being relational.
this is a valid reason to not edit my new video for the next 9 minutes! I've been talking and reading through some supabase stuff. Excited to watch this!
It's the other way around. Google monitors your searches, and Google owns TH-cam, so that may be how you got this video recommended, assuming you weren't already subscribed.
I'm a die-hard self hoster, which has been the major deterrent with firebase for me. I also have my own server in my garage, so the idea that I could run supabase on it, and maybe even earn money running it as a SaaS to people wanting to use it is great, and creates price competition in the market.
Used Supabase, did a full backup of a huge project, downloaded it to my computer, didn't pay a thing. I definitely will stay with Supabase after 2+ years with firebase. Waiting for cloud functions to close the circles in the prod environments.
@@Abhishek-fc7fy I learned how to use postgres functions. So far cron jobs, reactive fn from DB changes and http fn are working very well. But I didn't manage to run custom JS libraries inside the function, I'm still using firebase for this connected to supabase. (for instance, image auto compression). And for other things I use netlify direct and background functions. I wish I can do 100% of the job in one place but not yet. Appart from Functions. I found some bugs/lacks when querying nested data. But luckily these were solved in December with an update of PostgREST, for instance. Joined tables with filtered data were not being counted properly. Anyway, many of these really needed features now they are fixed. Im still not in production stage but so far now I am 90% of the time in the rest of the app rather than the DB as the data works as my needs requires without bigger issues
Open source for the win! Especially since you can self host. Although this kind of application might be intended so that you don't need to host it yourself, many of the tools it comes with would still speed up development. I like self hosting and the freedom it provides but find dealing with backend databases tedious. Something you can just spin up in a docker container that is meant to act like Firebase? Yes please!
And honestly self-hosting something dockerizable does not seem to be that big of a deal? I honestly dont know, since I have never hosted anything used by somebody else than me, but getting a docker container up and running is pretty painless..
@@mthf5839 On the surface, it's not. But it can get complicated if you make it that way... One thing that I'm actively fighting with is monitoring application uptime. I host a docker app for friends and family that can be accessed on the open net but that's where things get... interesting. There's other docker apps that can monitor service uptime like UptimeKuma and that's fine. But when you're hosting stuff on the web, can get messy quickly. You got a static or dynamic ip? How bout domain names? Hosting multiple apps on the same port? How bout ddos protection and keeping this secure... There's methods and systems for all the above but it's a chunk of time to get it set up and configured properly.
@@isaach.1135 Hmm, yeah, setting up uptime monitoring and log aggregation is something I have not done yet that a PaaS will have for 'free'. The log aggregation worries me more, since I notice my gitea container is getting a lot of random ssh login attempts. Being able to check for login succeses and such would assure me than I have setup everything successfully, even though I dont supose I messed the ssh keys so bad a bot will get shell access. IP addresses and DNS have not caused me any issues so far, but maybe that is what I can expect for workloads than fit into VPS free tier..
My heart has balanced for a while between fear of young solution and fear of lock-in with a Cloud overlord. And decided to postpone my project a bit, and go for Supabase later on.
@@ShaferHart lol. It's a personal project that can wait a few months. But when I start, I want to fully invest myself in it (with the goal of starting a business out of it) and want to use of the features that are not yet in place know in Supabase.
The thing I'm going to like the most about supabase is that functions is free to use. I can finally freely use a firebase like architecture as my backend without worrying about creating lambdas. Eagerly waiting for its release.
Great video as always! I would love to see a video comparing GoTrue (used by Supabase) and other standalone OAuth2 solutions. Securing a REST API is always a headache.
The fact it's not Google is a pretty enticing point honestly. That combined with the self-hosted option means it's an option for European companies (that need GDPR compliancy).
Can you please focus on cost control / billing more? I think what most beginners are scared off is the risk of unexpected costs after putting in your credit card. As a hobbyist who might just try it once and then forget about it this is an unacceptable risk.
@@mecode7850 Cool, nobody asked. You said it was a "mega company" and I told you that's wrong. If you want to cry about why you were wrong go to a local bar.
I was looking at supabase last week and you just read my mind. I totally agree with you, Please firebase add SQL database and easy way to create secure REST API
I recently used Firebase for a work project, all is well until we face problems that we really need a SQL database, that's the point where I really start to consider Supabase... my experience with hosting a SQL database on the cloud is really expensive as you pointed out, but the deal Supabase offering right now is just killing it.
I would love to see this video remade for 2024. I just started using Supabase for the SQL (as mentioned in the video) since firebase still doesn't have an option for that. Additionally, I'm learning Flutter and was ecstatic to see that supabase has an SDK for Flutter!
supabase main advantage is being able to add what the community wants like graphlish , sql , also any server side things would also be great coz mongodb has a lot of hassle to setup a Hackathon project for example , if they added all features of firebase + what we dev want and that too with the simplicity of firebase ill start using supabase all the time
Wow, I just started using Supabase yesterday for a project and was wondering what you think about it. And there’s the video. 😅 Great and comprehensive video. For me Privacy is definitely a big deal. In Germany with the GDPR it’s difficult to sell a project that is build on top of a google blackbox and stores data on googles servers. Even though firebase is probably clear with the GDPR, an open source project is a bit easier to explain to clients.
1:32 The thing is for us who live in countries restricted by trade embargo (Syria, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and ...) Google really does the thing and shuts down the business anytime it wants.
Well, if they host everything in AWS, Amazon can easily make them stop supporting any business that "goes against the rules". Like what happened with Parler for example.
The moment Firebase adds a relational database option, I'm swtiching to Firebase. Otherwise, Supabase is good for relational databases only. I like to use both Firebase and Supabase, supabase for database related actions (auth, realtime, etc), and Firebase for other things (analytics, crash reports, etc).
Supabase is very promising since of the open source which make this attractive to enterprise applications, this is why firestore never took off in big orgs due to the vendor lockin. What's interesting is I wonder if supa api was build off of aws amplified seems so similar but love it. Good Video
Would you make a video like this for Appwrite? Appwrite looks very polished and also claims to be Firebase alternative but selfhosted. We would love to see that video.
I really love to have a full postgres database (which I know well) on Supabase, It's so much more features than what you have on firebase (typical example is geospatial data or fulltext search)
While there aren't any SDKs besides the JS SDK for Supabase, the platform does provide a REST API out of the box so it would be somewhat trivial to use it with other stacks.
Looking forward for your hasura video. One of the most exciting products out there in my opinion. Kinda feel like it did not yet receive the attention it deserves in the community.
I have many subscriptions on TH-cam but the Fireship ones I always view as you cover so much in such a short amount of time. Your ability to summarize is truly incredible.
For me the only reason to use Firebase was Cloud Messaging for mobile devices.The moment I have the ability to send Push Notification on Apple/Android without Google, I'm automatically all in.
I never learned how to use SQL Databases, and honestly... i liked the Supabase ideia and project someday if i got to learn SQL i'm jumping in his product. But i'm just loving Firebase and it uses, it's almost the "Perfect" alternative for MongoDB and Atlas
Great video , Supabase will be my goto option for my next projects , With supa base i can get client side libraries for any language like C#, Rust I no longer need to depend on google , I will have option to develop libraries myself.
So sure, we don't want to self host it. But being open source opens the option for different providers to host it. So you can choose a provider, as you can for Nextcloud for example.
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"Because we definitely all know that Google doesn't have a reputation of killing of products"... thank you!
I was hired by Google in 2009 to work on a product _already on the way to be killed_ ("Google Gadgets")
mark my words...google stadia is next. any google product i end up really getting into has a 50-50 shot of getting killed.
Didn't google+ die?
@@jti107 you called it
@@jti107 ding ding ding lol
I admire your channel for showing me new tools I would never hear about otherwise.
One subscription on youtube and I am up to date with all the new cool stuff.
Also you are great in video editing, your videos are fast and go straight to the point. Love it.
Thank you.
Exactly. Came here for flutter and firebase. Stay for all the new&cool stuffz.
Completely agree: PLEASE ADD A SQL DATABASE TO THE FIREBASE PLATFORM!
And now it's finally here(almost)...
Last time I was this early, Fireship didn't use Firebase yet
Not gonna lie, I thought he was a paid Google shill at first, because his name is so similar to Firebase, and I only knew of him through his videos talking about Angular.
@Jack Clayton Literally the channel's name was AngularFirebase, you can see that in the videos uploaded about 4 years ago. What a great channel was and is.
Fireship only has 650k subs?? I thought this man was in the millions already! Easily one of the most premium programming TH-camrs out there.
Now he is!
@@softwarelivre2389
Now he is!
Now he is!
Trying out Supabase after I was unpleasantly surprised by the fact that Firebase doesn't provide text search. So far, I'm amazed, it works so well by abstracting the boilerplate code of relational databases (the API simply gives you the JSON), while supporting search and being relational.
"Now that's extremely unlikely if you do what you're told". 1:42
Oh boy, I see what you did there... Definitely something to be wary about. lol
this is a valid reason to not edit my new video for the next 9 minutes! I've been talking and reading through some supabase stuff. Excited to watch this!
Great coverage! Thanks Jeff!
And that was hell of CSK there 0:34
haha Dhoni😍😍
MI fans unsubscribed the channel
0+3+4=7
Thala for a reason.
If Supabase manages to sustain itself for another year then I'll probably switch to it
@@YoloMonstaaa Can't seem to find any evidence of that. Can you link me an article?
@@YoloMonstaaa you mean $6M?
They will most certainly sustain themselves for much longer than that, because many many people are sick with Google, myself including
@@YoloMonstaaa 6 Billion?
@@andikaandrianto2803 Million, not Billion.
Ha, when I first heard about Supabase a few days ago, I thought of this channel first. Great video, too! Very fair.
Angular Firebase | supabase
1 hour knowledge in 8 minutes...
Salute bro 👍🏻👍🏻
"...if you do what you're told" - I like this remark
I'm convinced this guy is monitoring my Google searches for tips on his next videos. You won't take me alive, Jeff.
It's the other way around. Google monitors your searches, and Google owns TH-cam, so that may be how you got this video recommended, assuming you weren't already subscribed.
@@genjii931 Been subscribed since before the name change.
I'm a die-hard self hoster, which has been the major deterrent with firebase for me. I also have my own server in my garage, so the idea that I could run supabase on it, and maybe even earn money running it as a SaaS to people wanting to use it is great, and creates price competition in the market.
Used Supabase, did a full backup of a huge project, downloaded it to my computer, didn't pay a thing. I definitely will stay with Supabase after 2+ years with firebase. Waiting for cloud functions to close the circles in the prod environments.
How are you doing with Supabase now? I'm planning to use it for my project...
@@Abhishek-fc7fy I learned how to use postgres functions. So far cron jobs, reactive fn from DB changes and http fn are working very well. But I didn't manage to run custom JS libraries inside the function, I'm still using firebase for this connected to supabase. (for instance, image auto compression). And for other things I use netlify direct and background functions. I wish I can do 100% of the job in one place but not yet.
Appart from Functions. I found some bugs/lacks when querying nested data. But luckily these were solved in December with an update of PostgREST, for instance. Joined tables with filtered data were not being counted properly. Anyway, many of these really needed features now they are fixed.
Im still not in production stage but so far now I am 90% of the time in the rest of the app rather than the DB as the data works as my needs requires without bigger issues
Open source for the win! Especially since you can self host. Although this kind of application might be intended so that you don't need to host it yourself, many of the tools it comes with would still speed up development. I like self hosting and the freedom it provides but find dealing with backend databases tedious.
Something you can just spin up in a docker container that is meant to act like Firebase? Yes please!
And honestly self-hosting something dockerizable does not seem to be that big of a deal? I honestly dont know, since I have never hosted anything used by somebody else than me, but getting a docker container up and running is pretty painless..
@@mthf5839 On the surface, it's not. But it can get complicated if you make it that way...
One thing that I'm actively fighting with is monitoring application uptime. I host a docker app for friends and family that can be accessed on the open net but that's where things get... interesting.
There's other docker apps that can monitor service uptime like UptimeKuma and that's fine. But when you're hosting stuff on the web, can get messy quickly.
You got a static or dynamic ip? How bout domain names? Hosting multiple apps on the same port? How bout ddos protection and keeping this secure... There's methods and systems for all the above but it's a chunk of time to get it set up and configured properly.
@@isaach.1135 Hmm, yeah, setting up uptime monitoring and log aggregation is something I have not done yet that a PaaS will have for 'free'. The log aggregation worries me more, since I notice my gitea container is getting a lot of random ssh login attempts. Being able to check for login succeses and such would assure me than I have setup everything successfully, even though I dont supose I messed the ssh keys so bad a bot will get shell access.
IP addresses and DNS have not caused me any issues so far, but maybe that is what I can expect for workloads than fit into VPS free tier..
You are on top of your gif game, my friend.
Z calls us gif millennials
"I like that it returns an error instead of raising an exception"
(Rob Pike has entered the chat)
gophers assemble
if err != nil {
// do something
}
My heart has balanced for a while between fear of young solution and fear of lock-in with a Cloud overlord. And decided to postpone my project a bit, and go for Supabase later on.
Let me get this straight, you postponed your "project" to wait for a third party over which you have no control? Be honest, you have no project lol.
@@ShaferHart lol. It's a personal project that can wait a few months. But when I start, I want to fully invest myself in it (with the goal of starting a business out of it) and want to use of the features that are not yet in place know in Supabase.
Yooo the SQL to JS code snippets based on your data structure is absolutey 🔥 innovation
Supabase it's a really promising product, I'll hope that even more developers want it to adopt it 🤞
switching it now
I think we all agree that you are James Brown of any software related topic ❤️
Yup we do
The thing I'm going to like the most about supabase is that functions is free to use. I can finally freely use a firebase like architecture as my backend without worrying about creating lambdas. Eagerly waiting for its release.
This is awesome. The ability to self host makes it ideal for learners, or someone testing the waters of entrepreneurship.
I am so hooked I might even start a yt channel called supaship. Isn't that a beautiful name?
No one's gonna talk about dhoni? 0:33 ❤️🔥
I am :D
Fireship is a CSK supporter.
Great video as always! I would love to see a video comparing GoTrue (used by Supabase) and other standalone OAuth2 solutions. Securing a REST API is always a headache.
how do you make such high-quality videos so fast
The fact it's not Google is a pretty enticing point honestly. That combined with the self-hosted option means it's an option for European companies (that need GDPR compliancy).
Would love to see a video about Appwrite vs Firebase. We are heavy Firebase users at work, but got to have back ups just in case
I just wrote a comment asking him to checkout and compare appwrite with firebase too
Can you please focus on cost control / billing more? I think what most beginners are scared off is the risk of unexpected costs after putting in your credit card. As a hobbyist who might just try it once and then forget about it this is an unacceptable risk.
Supabase: Dark Mode
Firebase: Light Mode
Bruh 😂
Google, take notes
I love the chapters for longer videos. Makes finding where I left off so much easier. Also when reviewing a previously watched video of yours. Thanks!
“If they decide that’s what should happen” Gosh these scripts are so great, Incredible useful content!
I just want a serverless platform that isn't ran by evil mega cooperations.
Mozila is not evil, but mega Company
@@mecode7850 uhh no it isn't. It has less than 1k employees, that's a tiny ass company. Intel, adobe, etc all have 100k+
It's completely free company, it relies on the donation. You can't hire 100k employees with donations
@@mecode7850 Cool, nobody asked. You said it was a "mega company" and I told you that's wrong. If you want to cry about why you were wrong go to a local bar.
@@mecode7850 …yet
I started using supabase for a mini side project a week ago. I’m in love with it!!!
I was looking at supabase last week and you just read my mind. I totally agree with you, Please firebase add SQL database and easy way to create secure REST API
I recently used Firebase for a work project, all is well until we face problems that we really need a SQL database, that's the point where I really start to consider Supabase... my experience with hosting a SQL database on the cloud is really expensive as you pointed out, but the deal Supabase offering right now is just killing it.
That feeling when a TH-camr you follow uploads a vid on the thing you took an interest in hours earlier...
Awesome Video. In depth analysis. Super cool! Thanks Jeff!
Appwrite is a another cool open source alternative to firebase!
This looks INCREDIBLY promising. Can't wait to see how it goes! The lack of a vendor lock-in is the most appealing.
I'm using Supabase for some projects and it's really nice
I would love to see this video remade for 2024. I just started using Supabase for the SQL (as mentioned in the video) since firebase still doesn't have an option for that.
Additionally, I'm learning Flutter and was ecstatic to see that supabase has an SDK for Flutter!
I have been watching supabase repo for many months now. Time to dust off my backup hdd and restart working on my side project.
supabase main advantage is being able to add what the community wants like graphlish , sql , also any server side things would also be great coz mongodb has a lot of hassle to setup a Hackathon project for example , if they added all features of firebase + what we dev want and that too with the simplicity of firebase ill start using supabase all the time
Wow, I just started using Supabase yesterday for a project and was wondering what you think about it. And there’s the video. 😅
Great and comprehensive video. For me Privacy is definitely a big deal. In Germany with the GDPR it’s difficult to sell a project that is build on top of a google blackbox and stores data on googles servers. Even though firebase is probably clear with the GDPR, an open source project is a bit easier to explain to clients.
How does this guy know exactly what I'm thinking, I literally just started building an app with SupaBase yesterday.
I wanted to build a similar platform, but then I found Supabase!
Ayyy that CSK fan at 0:35. You got meeeee
Great content
Quick question, Are the Pro features available when we self host? (Without paying the 25$ pro fees)
what about that Hasura thing? Would like to seem a video about it.
YES! The lack of SQL with Firebase is the worst thing about it. It seems absurd.
Why?
@@LarsRyeJeppesen what so you mean? It's massively limiting. SQL is solid, battle tested, popular, and useful. Why wouldn't we want it?
Really cool explanation. As you said - this thing resembles Hasura a lot. Can't wait for your next video!
1:32 The thing is for us who live in countries restricted by trade embargo (Syria, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and ...) Google really does the thing and shuts down the business anytime it wants.
This is honestly a fuckin valiant attempt. If they can keep this up this is an awesome product.
Well, if they host everything in AWS, Amazon can easily make them stop supporting any business that "goes against the rules". Like what happened with Parler for example.
Then they can migrate to another provider
Amen to those first 30seconds in your video, I'm now going to watch the rest of it
The moment Firebase adds a relational database option, I'm swtiching to Firebase. Otherwise, Supabase is good for relational databases only. I like to use both Firebase and Supabase, supabase for database related actions (auth, realtime, etc), and Firebase for other things (analytics, crash reports, etc).
Supabase is very promising since of the open source which make this attractive to enterprise applications, this is why firestore never took off in big orgs due to the vendor lockin. What's interesting is I wonder if supa api was build off of aws amplified seems so similar but love it. Good Video
Would you make a video like this for Appwrite? Appwrite looks very polished and also claims to be Firebase alternative but selfhosted. We would love to see that video.
I really love to have a full postgres database (which I know well) on Supabase,
It's so much more features than what you have on firebase (typical example is geospatial data or fulltext search)
The sarcasm at 7:16 to 7:22
While there aren't any SDKs besides the JS SDK for Supabase, the platform does provide a REST API out of the box so it would be somewhat trivial to use it with other stacks.
True
Good to see OSS coming into it's own!
Looking forward for your hasura video. One of the most exciting products out there in my opinion. Kinda feel like it did not yet receive the attention it deserves in the community.
Yep! In my opinion it’s even better because it only deals with data and isn’t opinionated about Auth, so you can even use GoTrue! Plus, GraphQL.
I 100% agree. I've been using Hasura for almost 2 years now and it's been amazing.
I have many subscriptions on TH-cam but the Fireship ones I always view as you cover so much in such a short amount of time. Your ability to summarize is truly incredible.
Just heard of it last week, and yet Fireship arrived!
This is something I HAVE to learn next month, seems so intuitive
I never understand the people who put a dislike , great video as always
SQL on firebase would be the dream. Default values, joins, geoqueries, TTL, ...
Thoughts on appwrite?
I always assumed you were paid by Google, your videos are so slick!
appwrite vs supabase which one is better in which situation and why it's better?
There is one GIANT plus that supabase has: IT IS NOT OWNED BY GOOGLE. That alone outweighs every single benefit that firebase might have had.
i would be super interested in a comparison between firebase and appwrite
I like the auto genereted database
For me the only reason to use Firebase was Cloud Messaging for mobile devices.The moment I have the ability to send Push Notification on Apple/Android without Google, I'm automatically all in.
Oh man, That Fan in Yello Dress is Fan of Dhoni, best Captain of my Generation.
Also, thanks for updating us with latest tech.
"If you're a PM at Firebase, please add a relational database". Loooool this is so true.
Hi, just wanna say I like your content, and after you've shown yourself to be a fan of open source software, I like your content even more. 😄
I never learned how to use SQL Databases, and honestly... i liked the Supabase ideia and project someday if i got to learn SQL i'm jumping in his product. But i'm just loving Firebase and it uses, it's almost the "Perfect" alternative for MongoDB and Atlas
You should compare Parse & Firebase!
I was contracting at Facebook when they pulled the plug on Parse. Is it still going? Seemed like it didn’t compare even back then.
My prediction.
Too good to be good.
In the future it will lock out many "features" behind a pay wall
Can be self-hosted, it doesn't matter
Aws amplify has gotten really competitive in the last year tbh
I'm in with supabase as soon as they are ready with better real-time updates and functions support..
Great video , Supabase will be my goto option for my next projects ,
With supa base i can get client side libraries for any language like C#, Rust
I no longer need to depend on google ,
I will have option to develop libraries myself.
I have used both of them in multiple projects and I must say Supabase is something even better than Firebase.
great video , anyone noticed csk's fan lol (nice job fireship)
Firebase function was removed from free and now required to add a payment method. Why...
To make you pay. It's a business.
Didn't moved from free to paid! But they required a payment method to be setup doesn't mean you will get charged
If you don't exceed their free quota you won't get charged, but maybe just $0.1 dollar to build the function
i'm moving to subabase
Support Open Source, break monopolies.
Yes, it may cost more but it's a price I'm willing to pay to avoid giving power to monopolies.
was ready to start testing supabase just to see if it is legit.. once again fireship saved me some extra time..
It's been a year now, and so glad that Supabase is more stronger than with funding more that $ 100 Million !
So sure, we don't want to self host it. But being open source opens the option for different providers to host it. So you can choose a provider, as you can for Nextcloud for example.
Can you look into AppWrite?
Omg waiting for that hasura video, one of my favorite tools
Will definitely check database feature as we need cheap firestore alternative
This, but with a graph database instead of postgres, would be even better! Love your videos ❤️