Home Alone? - Someone They Knew with Tamron Hall

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  • After a work party went late, Ramona Krotine decided it was time to call it a night. But she never made it home-or did she? When her body is found the next day in the trunk of her own car, police have to reconstruct what happened in the intervening hours, and who she ran into along the way.
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  • @ScoobyDoozy
    @ScoobyDoozy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    “Jeff wasn’t one to express a great deal of emotion”. * Jeff bawling he wants to go home* Nah, he has emotions. His emotions are for him. Greed is a feeling, too. As is contempt, hate, jealousy, disgust, and fear of losing control. Typical malignant narc.

    • @kim-lusteenkamp4866
      @kim-lusteenkamp4866 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scooby Doo 🐕 where are you

    • @nisefavored
      @nisefavored 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ❤❤❤Yesssssssss Indeed❤❤❤

    • @_Meng_Lan
      @_Meng_Lan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "And he would have got away with it if it hadn't been for thos pesky kids" 🥲 oops detectives. 😊

  • @KCsFunHouse
    @KCsFunHouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    God how awful for the poor brother to have found his sister dead in her trunk abandoned. What a horrific murder

    • @readdeeply9278
      @readdeeply9278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Odder still that he knew exactly where her body was. 99 times out of 100 only the killer himself can pinpoint the location of the body that quickly.

    • @chattahuffman5117
      @chattahuffman5117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@readdeeply9278 i thought it was odd that he just rushed to break into the car and the trunk. Why think she was in there? Put his prints all over.

    • @littlesthobo182
      @littlesthobo182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@chattahuffman5117 It is quite common for killers to put their victim's bodies in their cars. So if your loved one is missing and you then find their vehicle, it's not a strange thought that they might be in the trunk.

    • @chattahuffman5117
      @chattahuffman5117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@littlesthobo182 1st of all I never said it wasn't uncommon. The fact is she was only gone a matter of hours at that point so For him to be that frantic So quickly when it is still logical that There would still be rational reason for her to just not be with her vehicle. He should have called the police immediately and not touched the vehicle. Instead he went out of his way to be over specific about why his prints were all over that vehicle. A reasonable person would conclude that behavior seems a bit suspicious.

    • @littlesthobo182
      @littlesthobo182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@chattahuffman5117 I believe she had been gone for a bit longer at that point

  • @Jennylouise87
    @Jennylouise87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Love when the lawyer says, "I'm not saying she drank too much or partied too hard". Yes you are. That's exactly what your saying. Her poor brother.

    • @chrismatthews3637
      @chrismatthews3637 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      RIGHT ! and what if she did drink "too much" which who is to say what THAT amount is!??? She can do it if she wants. These people!

    • @damienhodges9761
      @damienhodges9761 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      3 times 3 not guilty’s. Let it go

    • @kim-lusteenkamp4866
      @kim-lusteenkamp4866 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but

    • @albertan6634
      @albertan6634 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A defense attorney would defend the devil.

  • @mandyadler4536
    @mandyadler4536 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    NO murder victim EVER gets justice.They can never be brought back to life.

  • @annazaman9657
    @annazaman9657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Guilty. The room renovation convinced me. Plus if he was healthy enough to chop up a headboard, he could have easily walked home. Plus he does not ask anything about his wife when in police station, it's all about him. Bringing sister in law with him because he's so ill, who would be thinking about that. And that putting on the shoe over bloodstained sock, a robber wouldn't do that. Also you don't need to hit someone in the head 7 seven times and then shoot them to rob them.

    • @JD-dh7bk
      @JD-dh7bk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly. I've watched a lot of true crime stories and he definitely behaved like a man that killed his wife. And then used the money he stole from her to renovate the bedroom.

    • @Aries-tx3zz
      @Aries-tx3zz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. Any other case. Blood..room clean up.
      The person is the murderer..Period!

    • @junemarshall-kingsley566
      @junemarshall-kingsley566 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The old "everyone grieves differently" doesn't really work when you are chopping up the headboard and burning it. He could have put it curbside for the municipality to pick up or for someone to find and re-use. Such aggressive hacking and burning doesn't look good and doesn't fit into any experience of grief I have ever encountered. This is why we need to change the jury system and go with the majority vote instead of insisting on every single positive vote.

    • @kjova251
      @kjova251 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@junemarshall-kingsley566 Exactly, if you don't want memories or if you even want to redecorate you donate the stuff you don't burn it up in your fireplace.
      Plus the daughter didn't seem to hear much when he was chopping up the headboard so how credible is it that she's the proof nothing was done to her mother when I skull would be quieter than wood.

  • @annalievosloo2006
    @annalievosloo2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Guilty. Who burns a headboard because of grieve? Why not also the cupboard doors? Or anything else for that matter 😒

  • @shayhoff7064
    @shayhoff7064 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    If Jeff was in as bad health as they're claiming how in the devil could he manage an extramarital affair along with maintaining a marriage?

    • @J24J
      @J24J 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Right. They made it seem as though he could hardly walk a couple feet without problems.

    • @janedoe7229
      @janedoe7229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good question I didn’t even think of that.

    • @buddysmom9494
      @buddysmom9494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Where there's a will there's a way.

    • @sookie4195
      @sookie4195 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where there is Viagra there is a way. Or he was asexual.

    • @prechagirl
      @prechagirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or kill someone for that matter without help

  • @truckinfam2207
    @truckinfam2207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Poor Ramona,will there ever be justice. Rest in Paradise. Every knee will bow.

  • @cyankirkpatrick5194
    @cyankirkpatrick5194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I wonder now just how many "wonderful husbands" have done this and have gotten away with murder before someone started paying attention and others, same goes for grieving black widows.

  • @Lvnshyrn07
    @Lvnshyrn07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The daughter is talking about her mother as if she's a separate person from the family. That's weird.

    • @ituC1008
      @ituC1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you see her swallowing spit when asked if she would ever betray her mother by lying?

    • @prechagirl
      @prechagirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Totally distanced herself from her mother, wouldn't even call her mum. Maybe she had some involvement

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She is like her father, detached from feelings, strange people, but that does not mean he killed Ramona.

    • @kjova251
      @kjova251 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought the same to refer to her own mother as "his wife"

  • @123hgardner
    @123hgardner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Has anyone ever noticed how they say, "everyone grieves differently" when they're referring to a murderer? We may all grieve differently, but we all pretty much follow the same process. Murderers don't feel grief or remorse, so naturally their response looks different.

    • @tracyrasmussen8117
      @tracyrasmussen8117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's interesting..

    • @marlenemcmillan8891
      @marlenemcmillan8891 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes..good point

    • @ciku-ciku7194
      @ciku-ciku7194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I beg to differ. I’ve lost close relatives including my parents. Reality and grief usually dint hit me until months post their deaths. I’m usually the calm one at that time.

    • @readdeeply9278
      @readdeeply9278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I once saw a detective say "It's not our job to speculate" lol I'm like What? It is precisely your job to speculate! People may grieve differently, but that doesn't usually involve destruction of the crime scene lol

    • @joanmarks2096
      @joanmarks2096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes! Check out his behavior in court. An innocent person would be a nervous wreck. He appears to be annoyed AND detached at times. Just my humble opinion

  • @Riley0509
    @Riley0509 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a despicable husband to let his daughter try to comfort him instead of the other way around.

  • @Vitagirl
    @Vitagirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That was a weird interaction between then the sister in law and Jeff! I know she is being supportive but it was still weird

    • @susandurrant6357
      @susandurrant6357 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I agree...she couldn't stop touching him

    • @ediegal1009
      @ediegal1009 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was an RN. She was consoling him and monitoring him, both including touch

    • @janedoe7229
      @janedoe7229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed. I’m like why does she continually rub his back lol.

  • @sincitygiggles13
    @sincitygiggles13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    There's something wrong with Jeff...
    It always blows my mind a bit when people, police, etc think someone couldn't possibly sleep through a party, a thump, a door bell, a fire, a loud fight, a robbery, gun shots, barking dogs, a cop knock, a swat team...
    Even 5 minutes of research on the science of our bodies at sleep will prove how one can sleep through a bulldozer.

    • @loriburnip
      @loriburnip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Very true. With me it simply depends. Often I'll be woken by the smallest sound, like the floor gently creaking when my upstairs neighbor walks from his bedroom to bathroom, but sometimes someone could shake me & say my name yet they'll still have a tough time waking me. Depends on how deep you're sleeping, if you'd taken medication that causes more drowsiness, if you were overtired when you fell asleep etc... Lots of factors there.

    • @alexburke1899
      @alexburke1899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The argument the daughter would definitely hear something didn’t make sense to me because blunt force injuries don’t necessarily make a loud sound, and she might have been knocked out on the first blow. I kind of think the jury was right and there was reasonable doubt. I think he did it but proving it is another thing.

    • @patriciacorcoran4582
      @patriciacorcoran4582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I sleep through everything I've never complained about a loud party 🥳.

    • @OregonSingles
      @OregonSingles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very well studied blaring fire alarms don't wake up a majority of children but smoke detectors that have Parents voices recorded calling out the kids names will make their sleeping brains much sooner.

    • @peterjongsma2779
      @peterjongsma2779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@patriciacorcoran4582
      Your lucky.
      I hate loud partying.

  • @charlotteallison5786
    @charlotteallison5786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When he was in the interview room him getting ill all of a sudden was a total act

  • @kayjay407
    @kayjay407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    As for him appearing "emotionless" in regards to her death, he obviously wasn't in love with his wife anymore. I say that because of the affair and his anger when discovering she hadn't come home. Maybe they were both finished with the marriage? One thing that is strange; they lived in the house for 17 years and the ONLY blood they found was Ramona's. That seems so improbable. No one ever had a cut, or other things? How likely is that? This is a strange case and it seems like so many details don't match up or even exist. He doesn't appear to be a likable man, but that doesn't mean he's guilty. What we do know, she was obviously a lovely person and a great Mother. Condolences to her family, friends and community.🙏🙏🙏

    • @shumetesam7407
      @shumetesam7407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Finally somebody I couldn’t agree more Kelly your observation was clear and unbiased. It’s just so mixed up us to whether he did it or not and hopefully there will be just soon once they test up that blood

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 ปีที่แล้ว

      Based on the statistics, the chances she was murdered by anyone but her husband are slim to zero!

  • @dancer49lives6
    @dancer49lives6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Jeff Krotine had some part in his wife's death. That is one extremely cold pissed off dude. I think he was "going to get her" for cheating even though he was cheating also.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is possible he hired someone to killed her at that location. But he is a cold dude, my gosh. I am not 100% convinced he is behind the murder, one think is sure, he didn’t do it with his own hands, his heart would give it up on him, I suppose.

  • @LizzieMc
    @LizzieMc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Who the hell is rubbing his back? Poor woman. He isn’t bothered at all about her.

    • @Carylina1
      @Carylina1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      His sister who is a nurse.

  • @gospel4303
    @gospel4303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Thank you Tamron Hall! You are my absolute favorite broadcast journalist! The only time I watched Fox News in the a.m., and WFLD was due to your great reporting and personality. 💕

    • @shrutefarms4741
      @shrutefarms4741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Really, I can’t seem to understand why she’s even on this series.. to each their own I guess

    • @cheryl5994
      @cheryl5994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@shrutefarms4741
      ARE U JEALOUS???

    • @mainstreamnemesis1086
      @mainstreamnemesis1086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shrutefarms4741 HAHAHHAHAA!!!! Why you watching it then?!?! 😂🤣🤣😂

    • @mainstreamnemesis1086
      @mainstreamnemesis1086 ปีที่แล้ว

      "With Tamron Hall"

    • @gospel4303
      @gospel4303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cheryl5994 Exactly!

  • @lisayork2624
    @lisayork2624 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I live in the greater Cleveland area and remember this case when it happened. Everyone I spoke with about it all felt the husband was guilty, especially other workers from the I-X Center.

  • @loisannlovelace8988
    @loisannlovelace8988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sometimes these killers are so stupid they don’t even remember to ask how their spouses died. Ill health or not, it appears he was acting and laying it on thick in that interrogation room, especially when he asked to wrap it up. He really didn’t seem too broken up to me

  • @hanytalya5322
    @hanytalya5322 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    defense attorney sound like he's gonna burst into tears any minute...

  • @rogernighbert5436
    @rogernighbert5436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Thank You Tamron you are very good about telling these stories. You are like a Rock Star. God Bless!

  • @JD-dh7bk
    @JD-dh7bk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The daughter's testimony Wtf ? Weird.

  • @Angelofloveandhappiness
    @Angelofloveandhappiness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh when he said she didn't have a cell phone, he caught himself.

  • @dannschmit8604
    @dannschmit8604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We all grieve differently and we grieve differently for each of those we grieve over. When one of my best friends passed away, I immediately rearranged my furniture in my house. Every room. I have no idea why. He didn't live there. He had his own house. I just felt the need to change the way my rooms looked. Maybe because now, with him not here anymore, it was a change. Maybe I needed to keep changing things because my life was now forever changed with him no longer in my life. I don't know. Just a theory. Maybe that is what the husband was feeling too.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When one friend of my and my ex husband passed, I was sobbing like I was the widow, didn’t manage to go to the wake or funeral, I was a mess. Someone could think something about us, and it was genuine friendship. The guy just turned 39, I was devastated for him and his family. I bet his girlfriend wasn’t crying like me, but so what? We are so different. My personal feelings about this guy is he is a cold person, but that’s all. Can’t say it he is a murderer.

    • @CDG1228
      @CDG1228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe so...if he had only just rearranged furniture.
      He hired a cleaning crew (made them start in the bedroom), replaced the carpet, painted the walls, and BURNED the headboard.

  • @corkidecat6449
    @corkidecat6449 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I like the pace of these stories. Crime, investigation, arrest, trial prep, trial and verdict. A real life episode of Law & Order. Even including horrid verdicts.
    Thank you, Ms. Hall. Well done stories.

  • @russianaloha4576
    @russianaloha4576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Hmmm 2 people seen at the scene, I wander if its the father & daughter. The daughter rubbed me the wrong way... this is a sad story either way. 😔 I hope Ramona gets justice ⚖️

    • @tracyrasmussen8117
      @tracyrasmussen8117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Noooooo way! C'mon
      This is the weakest case ever! I cannot believe the DA even tried it.

    • @sookie4195
      @sookie4195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When he died, in his obituary, the daughter Jennifer had disowned him.

    • @prechagirl
      @prechagirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sookie4195 like she seemed to do with her mum on the stand

  • @johnkidd5070
    @johnkidd5070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Tameron hall is born for this stuff

    • @mwari-wa-nyagah
      @mwari-wa-nyagah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Her sister was killed in 2004 · She left behind a son who is still looking for answers · I think that's why she's Soo good at it cos she relates.

  • @reganhunt3204
    @reganhunt3204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    He looks guilty? Yeah... great evidence lol

  • @malcommalik7874
    @malcommalik7874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jennifer...................Freudian slip! She smelled "varnish". She referred to her mother as his wife. Strange..

  • @iamthevioletgirl
    @iamthevioletgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Damn. Here we go again Cleveland.

  • @flawlessgemini1476
    @flawlessgemini1476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The prosecution is the reason this woman didn't get justice. The whole case, their argument, and evidence was trash! Smh

    • @letsgococo288
      @letsgococo288 ปีที่แล้ว

      Half of this series shouldn’t have been tried by the prosecutors knowing they couldn’t prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Do their research better to make their case! They rely of jurors emotions to convict.

  • @c.erine78
    @c.erine78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Tried 3 times! I imagine if enough doubt can be placed into the minds of jurors, the more likely the outcome will be like Ramona Krotine's. Thank you for another interesting story.

  • @gamunozm1
    @gamunozm1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The daughter would've heard the argument if it was as heated as the prosecutors portrayed it to be. I don't think the prosecution did a good job here. If i were a juror i would have a hard time deciding on a verdict. Some of the prosecutor's statements seem very forced , like they tried to create all these facts to fit their theory. I don't feel sympathy for the guy, but the facts, as stated by the prosecutors, don't convince me of his guilt.

  • @trudehunnicutt8214
    @trudehunnicutt8214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 1st thing her husband says in his interview is "let's get this done...I just wanna go home". REALLY! that's what he's concerned about...going home?!

  • @TheSybil47
    @TheSybil47 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, now he's passed away, and took his secrets with him to his grave. The losers are those poor children. Their mother will never see their own families. It's just too sad for words. Did they ever investigate the mistress? I mean, mistresses can also kill, or conspire with others to kill an obsticle in their way.

  • @chattahuffman5117
    @chattahuffman5117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This should never have been brought to trial in the 1st place. Highly circumstantial evidence with speculation. Not saying he didn't do it but they did not meet their burden of proof. Also I find it odd that the brother just automatically breaks into her car and finds her in her trunk. So definitely other suspects to explore but of course they had tunnel vision.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always the husband theory, in my opinion, the guy is a jerk, but not a murderer. Waist of money.

  • @marsharowaihy6725
    @marsharowaihy6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I watch a lot of true crime shows and I’ve come to the conclusion that the main reason, besides corrupted 👮‍♀️, is that the people to decide someone’s fate is a jury of people such as: Librarian, plumber, Dr, cashier & so on are the ones to judge. Doesn’t make sense! We need professionals that are experts in human behavior & mental health. I say this bc I just have a degree in social work and while watching crime shows it’s BLOWN MY MIND when I’ve heard juror’s discuss behavior of the Defendant that might not make sense to them since they don’t have knowledge of psychology or how trauma can have an effect on someone.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am waiting for Scott Peterson to get a new trial, because one of the only thing media was worried about the time of Laci’s death, was that he had a mistress, he was a liar and a cheater. The evidences on his case is not much different from this case. I wouldn’t convict someone on feelings.

    • @totallyterri
      @totallyterri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@laurenmay2098 but wasn't she found where he had gone fishing the day she disappeared? And didn't the cement anchors he made disappear? And didn't he keep secret the fact that he had bought a boat that he took out that day? And didn't he say he had gone to play golf before he had been seen taking the boat out? And wasn't he planning on skipping out with his brothers license, thousands of dollars of cash, gaming gear, burner phones etc? There are so many things that causes one to come to the conclusion that he's guilty. It's going to be interesting to see these things explained away if he does get a new trial. I'm just glad I don't have to decide anyone's fate.

    • @chattahuffman5117
      @chattahuffman5117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Except psychology really is not an exact science either. You cannot say FACTUALLY a person did something because you believe it could fit into what behavior that particular person may or may not be capable of.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chattahuffman5117 there is one case of cold case files, or forensic files that showed to me how you can be telling the truth and some of the so call “circumstantial evidence “ being there to make you look it guilty. This guy gave another guy a ride, then the guy wanted him to drive to an area that he new to be not safe, he said no and asked him to leave his car. He got upset and took it a screw driver that was in the motorist truck and try to stab it him with. The truck owner was able to fled the attacker and didn’t go home, afraid of the guy learning where he lives and try to attack it him again. As he was driving around he sees the guy again, he call the police and tell them what happened. After driving for few minutes, he thought was safe to go home, as he enters his home, he notice something was wrong. The guy he gave a ride, was wondering around and chose a house to break it in, guess what house he chose? The guy who gave him the ride. But it was randomly, he killed the mother of the trucker and who was to say it it wasn’t her son? Because she was stabbed with the screwdriver he took it from his truck at the time of the ride, long story short, he was arrested, he told the story, the police don’t believed him. Later it was proven he didn’t do it, but he had no alibi, the screwdriver was his, he had opportunity, it was crazy, innocent people do go to prison because of bad police work, and over zealous prosecutors.

  • @intentionallyqueen.478
    @intentionallyqueen.478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    So enjoying Tamaron on this show.

  • @elizabethgrogan8553
    @elizabethgrogan8553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Tamron Hall is the perfect presenter for this channel. She is professional throughout. This case was so difficult because the husband was so erratic in his testimony. Yes, I understand his wish to clean up the blood stains, but I don't think that would be my reaction. I couldn't continue to sleep in that bed or even the house. I really hope justice arrives for Ramona.

    • @ALWAYSTONED303
      @ALWAYSTONED303 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is good but honestly says like 50 words max a episode

  • @amyyoung8669
    @amyyoung8669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Y'all 5 specks of blood shouldn't send anyone to prison especially when you have lived in that house for 17 years

    • @SUN-it6rf
      @SUN-it6rf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have lived in my house for 40 years and there is absolutely no blood in any of my 3 bedrooms.

  • @sarahallenhumboldt2638
    @sarahallenhumboldt2638 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That woman rubbing him during the interview is being so inappropriate; who does that?!

  • @julesthecat.
    @julesthecat. ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How that even went to the first trial is insane.

  • @bonniecreighton4163
    @bonniecreighton4163 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The guy who later came forward and "witnessed" her alleged attack in the parking lot area.....why would they do that? I don't remember anything in the story about money she may have had with her being missing.

  • @marygoff3332
    @marygoff3332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I would never convict this man on such flimsy 'evidence' - no way.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For some reason not having emotions and an affair for investigators are signs of guilt. He is a cold man, but I can’t convict it on that. Their marriage was over, he was having an affair, when he said he wasn’t going to sleep with another woman in the same bed he slept with his wife, I believe he was sincere, he wants his mistress in the house, but not in the same bed. I remember watching this case before and the prosecutor was just not having, his ego was hurt and he wanted convicted someone, even if it was an innocent. There is so much reasonable doubt, can’t convict.

    • @littlesthobo182
      @littlesthobo182 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laurenmay2098 Signs of guilt also include blood splatter.

  • @meghanbarton5532
    @meghanbarton5532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A previous client of mine lost his wife (she had been terminally sick for a long time). Very quickly he got rid of their bed, dishes that were gifted at their wedding, all her belongings, repainted the house, changed the carpets. He loved her so much, but was grieving and wanted to get rid of everything that made the house remind him of her.
    Opposite to that I've known people to loose their spouse and keep everything of theirs exactly where it was, including a toothbrush laying on the bathroom counter.

    • @Aries-tx3zz
      @Aries-tx3zz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh Kay. But was his wife blood slatterd on the items he got rid of?

    • @meghanbarton5532
      @meghanbarton5532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Aries-tx3zz we don't know that they were, and we only know they discover a few teenie tiny drops which most people would have in their home.

    • @junemarshall-kingsley566
      @junemarshall-kingsley566 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was fooling around on her, so how could he have loved he so much he had to deep-clean the house and get rid of carpeting?

    • @meghanbarton5532
      @meghanbarton5532 ปีที่แล้ว

      @junemarshall-kingsley566 everyone grieves different, and people cheat for different reasons.

  • @marilynglazier9794
    @marilynglazier9794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The defense attorney is literally foaming at the mouth.

  • @violagentsch
    @violagentsch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    30:54 his wife being murdered??? Not my mother? Red 🚩

  • @Mosby55
    @Mosby55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No murder weapon, daughter says the house is not the crime screen, no evidence motive because no one said Ramona wanted a divorce or anything like that, Jeff extremely sickly, NOT GUILTY!!!!

  • @michillene
    @michillene 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HE'S GUILTY, WHENEVER YOU HEAR ABOUT AN AFFAIR WITH ANOTHER, IT USUALLY POINTS TO GUILT.

  • @Blanche0507
    @Blanche0507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why was the blood under the handle never tested and they said it wasn’t her blood?

    • @HoneyHoneyBaby
      @HoneyHoneyBaby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Things that make you go 🤔 hmmm‼️

    • @madi4481
      @madi4481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So the police/prosecutor could convict the wrong man, and not submit the DNA evidence that exonerated him. Pretty typical of filthy criminal prosecutor of the rotten prison industry.

    • @HoneyHoneyBaby
      @HoneyHoneyBaby 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madi4481 Great points 💯 sad ‼️

  • @joanmarks2096
    @joanmarks2096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who gets mad and says they are annoyed when a wife doesn't come home. When I stay out late with my girlfriend I call my husband if it goes past midnight. It's about RESPECT!!!

  • @judycunningham5687
    @judycunningham5687 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think that police department needed and wanted the husband to be guilty and he wasn't. This is how innocent people go to jail for crimes they never committed!!

    • @cyankirkpatrick5194
      @cyankirkpatrick5194 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤦🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏿‍♂️🤯🥺🙄🤪🤣🤦🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🤯🤣🤣🤣

    • @cyankirkpatrick5194
      @cyankirkpatrick5194 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then why don't you start a half way home for felons their innocent right you said that were

    • @samantham8696
      @samantham8696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cyankirkpatrick5194 What a bizarre response to her statement.
      Statistically she is correct. There are a lot of people that end up being released because they were not actually guilty.

  • @KCsFunHouse
    @KCsFunHouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Yeah that entire house would have been covered in blood, if anyone should know that people mourn differently it should be the cops. I usually think circumstantial evidences is great in cases but I’m not sold that the husband did this. I think a lot of the official story is reaching.

    • @scottaznavourian3720
      @scottaznavourian3720 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some people are in shock...tom meager clint hiechel maggie haynes come to mind. Russ fauria got screwed over cause they thought he was TOO emotional....people need to follow evidence and not be the emotion police

    • @marceasusanna7749
      @marceasusanna7749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It seems to be hard for some men to convict other men. Just wait till u pass and then u can apologize to Ramona.

    • @laurenmay2098
      @laurenmay2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I missed if the money was in the car, but robbery is more likely.

  • @jenniferb590
    @jenniferb590 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That lady prosecutor was so over the top banging seven times that it just suggests to me that they didn't have enough hard evidence to convict him and knew it. As for getting rid of the bedroom stuff my son, who loved his father dearly burned all of his clothes in a matter of days after his death because it hurt him to see them. He said no one else can have them now. We do all grieve in different ways.

  • @molliemae6855
    @molliemae6855 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cleveland was named after General Moses Cleaveland. I don’t think it has anything to do with the word cleave and the river cutting the city in half!

    • @littlesthobo182
      @littlesthobo182 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And cleave is spelled with an A.

  • @jodyross6185
    @jodyross6185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is Jeff wearing a snap on rug?..figures..he prolly thinks he's fooling us..lol

  • @TheLadycountry
    @TheLadycountry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They didn't prove it, the prosecutors, the daughter said she heard nothing, he was found not guilty, so don't waste money on another trial for the husband. It's just the fact that they lost, wanted to win.

  • @chryssyshuntae8655
    @chryssyshuntae8655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    THIS WAS SOOOOO GOOD!

  • @LisatheGreatest
    @LisatheGreatest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Guilty. Who’s the squeaky guy trying to defend him?

    • @kayadelarenta4554
      @kayadelarenta4554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was asking myself the same thing. The evidence is overwhelming.

  • @srichey444
    @srichey444 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love how they try to give excuses for why this Murderer had little to no emotion. Psychopaths do that. He had no emotion because he saw nothing wrong with killing his wife. It's not Rocket Science that he not only murdered her, but tried to cover it up. One day he will stand before The Ultimate Judge on his Judgement Day. No one gets away with anything. You pay on this side of Eternity, or the other. RIP to this poor lady. 🙏🏽💕✝️

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fantastic post, 100% TRUTH.

  • @renpilak6048
    @renpilak6048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do not expect for the law enforcement to test the blood on the car door handle because it will exonerate their TARGET 🎯 person and will put their work into shame! They’d rather have the cloud hover his reputation. That is their only and ultimate victory.

    • @madi4481
      @madi4481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

  • @phyllisburris7093
    @phyllisburris7093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sister on law & Brother were involved. Never have I heard of a sister in law accompanying a husband to police station to talk about the murder of their wife.
    His lover brought he back home.

  • @peterjongsma2779
    @peterjongsma2779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jennifer not hearing anything is strange.
    Beating someone to death must be very noisy.
    Thumping and screaming.
    And the blood was a few tiny droplets.

  • @straightforward
    @straightforward ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder, if the parking lot was the crime scene...did they get all of the evidence around, before they towed the car? Did Jeff have a car, and met her at the parking lot? Otherwise, how would he get back to the house? The state did not provide an answer for that. I agree, too many unconnected dots. I think the police missed some evidence. So sad.

  • @jackykidwell
    @jackykidwell ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I honestly don't believe it was the husband. Watched this 3 times at it is stuck in my head. Read some articles. I don't believe it was the husband and i would have found him not guilty if i was on the jury. I would be taking a closer look at the brother. But they have dna so why aren't they solving this case once and for all. The brothers statement " I felt her body to make sure it was cold" was just weird to me.

  • @katgrey6239
    @katgrey6239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    God knows if Jeff is guilty. If he's guilty, then he will receive his punishment. Sad for her loved ones.

  • @vikaz3408
    @vikaz3408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont think he did it……. First, he has a very poor health, it would be too hard for him to carry unconscious/ dead person out to the car…… second, if beating happened at home, it wont be just 5 specks of blood they would find…..
    Im sometimes in awe how some lawyers cant make up stories as to what they believed happened….

  • @danahsutton101
    @danahsutton101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    We know this is true crime so you don't need to warn us crime scenes. We are adults and can handle it.

    • @always_b_natural703
      @always_b_natural703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's legal protection. Just like those warnings on ceiling fans not to put your head in the moving blades.

    • @elizabethgrogan8553
      @elizabethgrogan8553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@always_b_natural703 I agree. My new washing machine came with a comprehensive booklet. One piece of advice stated, in tiny lettering, "any attempt to interfere with the plug on this device will result in the automatic cancellation of the warrenty"

    • @scroogemcduckrich9705
      @scroogemcduckrich9705 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      such a small petty thing to take issue with.. bet you’re fun at parties

  • @nicoleloves9483
    @nicoleloves9483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love this show.

  • @margwalker6606
    @margwalker6606 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    O PLEASE, THE HUSBAND IS GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY. WITH ALL THAT WORK, REMODELING, CLEANING JUST AFTER HIS WIFE WAS MURDERED. HE LOOKED SO GUILTY FOR SURE

  • @gingmolinaminoza7419
    @gingmolinaminoza7419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wonder why mr.twinning never called the police or 911 of what he he saw that night

  • @iamthevioletgirl
    @iamthevioletgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He worked for State Farm and so did I at the time and when you have any type of cleaning that you want to do the first company that you think of are the ones that you referred to your clients for insurance claims I always used Servpro because I was familiar with their services

  • @Zakariah1971
    @Zakariah1971 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How did that brother know exactly where to go and find his sister and how would he know to break into the car and open the trunk. Call a locksmith? No break the window and check the trunk. Suspect numero uno.

    • @carolynlove3786
      @carolynlove3786 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And... he also said he felt her body in the trunk to "make sure she wasn't still warm". Huh? The normal thing to say would be to " see if she wss still warm"

    • @Zakariah1971
      @Zakariah1971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carolynlove3786 super suspicious. All new 21st century cars need to have dash cams, trunk cams, and audio to start recording some of these murders. Like cell phones, wired cars could help police solve so many cold cases if dash cams, trunk cams, and audio were mandated automobile safety features! Same with homes!

  • @omadjourney
    @omadjourney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You gotta admire defense attorneys, they sprout so much shite that they themselves don't believe lol.

  • @rosej5029
    @rosej5029 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Im staying single. So many episodes of husbands murdering their wives instead of divorcing them in court. It's crazy to kill someone as alternative to just breaking up and moving on!😮

  • @terrymac2780
    @terrymac2780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Jennifer was the getaway driver? 🤔🤔🤔

  • @rainaeasley7863
    @rainaeasley7863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow ! They thought he was guilty and killed her in the bedroom but when a witness came forward and said that they basically seen it happen at the hotel now they change their story to it was killed in the hotel by an accomplice it really sounds like they want to make it him

  • @peregrinemccauley5010
    @peregrinemccauley5010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guilty .

  • @tracyrasmussen8117
    @tracyrasmussen8117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    3 separate sets of jurors couldn't find him guilty. His children didn't think he was guilty (of murder, anyway) and after watching this I don't see the guilt either! So let's just say he really didn't do it (not 100% sure on this) think how many more injustices became because of the cops chasing the wrong robber. His life was ruined after this, in many ways. The 'real' killer (s) very well may have killed again. The list goes on. Very sad

  • @roaddog137
    @roaddog137 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And the cops blew it.

  • @lavonneevans988
    @lavonneevans988 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If the husband/ father is innocent , why is this story on “Someone They Knew”?😂

  • @horsluva0758
    @horsluva0758 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That defense attorney is in denial!!!

  • @daCubanaqt
    @daCubanaqt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh man, I have to find this trial to watch. The evidence shown in this episode isn’t super convincing to me.

  • @cherietillapaughhott1012
    @cherietillapaughhott1012 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually don't think he had anything to do with it. I think that affair put him in the spotlight. Should be a lesson for everyone! Affair doesn't equal murder, but since the odds are against you if your significant other winds up dead...just sayin'.

  • @ang1696
    @ang1696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Luv Tamron HALL!! 👍 Great reporter 👏 👏✌️😷🇨🇦

  • @karlay455
    @karlay455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some people myself is also sensitive to noises even if it’s in the basement and I’m on my first floor sleeping this is just is tragic story.

  • @Aries-tx3zz
    @Aries-tx3zz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any other case..
    Blood+Crime Clean up=
    Murderer.
    Period.

  • @ruthallen1159
    @ruthallen1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh you defense attorneys. You should be ashamed of yourselves; you know better. Bunch of excuse makers. How do you sleep at night?

    • @mn-bf6ym
      @mn-bf6ym 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So what? Just let the prosecutor do a bad job? Its not the DA that's bad..a DA is there so that prosecutor would be more focus and professional..no solid evidence, soft motif and all...wtf is the prosecutor doing? Sleeping?

    • @LadyAngela678
      @LadyAngela678 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ive wondered the same.

  • @franmellor9843
    @franmellor9843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Suggestion: Elizabeth Bazzara case

  • @triplezzz916
    @triplezzz916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So much of this going on.

  • @rahla53
    @rahla53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate unsolved crimes~

  • @nervouscowjerky1388
    @nervouscowjerky1388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this kid has the perfect voice for radio and voice overs advertising and with his life experiences at such a young age I know family rejection is extremely harsh from personal experience I'm homeless but thankfully I don't have a hard drug addiction jus weed I hope your still alive and doing better

  • @gmock9427
    @gmock9427 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did the father and the doughier have tea or coffee together before the daughter went to sleep? Because if she was drugged, then she would not have heard anything.

  • @angelamccrackin5243
    @angelamccrackin5243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For jeff being a loner i dont believe he would have that good of friend......

  • @OttawaAndy
    @OttawaAndy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good show!

  • @trudehunnicutt8214
    @trudehunnicutt8214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Halfway in & they didn't mention using luminol in the bedroom. I think he's guilty.

  • @IzzyMariel
    @IzzyMariel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched the whole trial, not just this video. He didn't do it

  • @jodyross6185
    @jodyross6185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love Tamron Hall's Wardrobe, so far every outfit is classy and sexy..fabulous woman..

    • @tiffanyandrzejak8141
      @tiffanyandrzejak8141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seriously? She looks cheap and her clothes don’t fit her well at all. Her earrings look like she got them from dollar general lol