According to the law it is a criminal offence for the paying non resident parents to not pay child maintenance and the CMS will actively chase non resident parents down, seize wages, savings through employers, bank account's etc and in some cases even take the non resident parent to court to recover debts owed to the resident parent with care but when a non resident parent has payed too much child maintenance to the resident parent with care nothing can be done about it and overpayments won't be recovered or when the CMS unlawfully takes child maintenance payments from a non resident parent when they shouldn't have due to false information provided by the resident parent with care in order to keep receiving child maintenance or receive more when they weren't legally entitled to it, it's somehow not considered a criminal offence. Neither the CMS or the parent receiving cms are held responsible for fraudulently taking money they had no entitlement to in the first place. The whole system is a disgrace and needs rethinking.
These men are never taken to court. Never have a hearing and get subjected to the harshest financial penalties we can deploy at the whims of DWP employees. Even the banks themselves are weaponized against men. Calling into question the impartiality of our banks. They are now an extension of government enforcement. Total power with zero checks and balances. It's the definition of tyrany.
Where is the support for all the 'paying parents' (primarily fathers) who are expected to pay when their child is held as a hostage to make them pay more, or when a paying parent is paying, while also providing everything for their children while they stay with them, pretty much equal to what they have while they stay with their primary parent, when the primary parent is receiving money from the paying parent, child benefit service and family tax credits. how is that fair? Fathers who have 'equal rights and responsibilities' are expected to fork out more just to maintain an equal home environment when they get no support from anywhere. there should also be a system for the paying parent to see what their maintenance payments are being spent on to stop the receiving parent abusing the system.
Or you could apply for 50:50 shared custody? I assume there would not be a reason why you wouldn't be allowed this, thus helping your child with this situation. A child arrangement order should help you to be able to legally enforce agreed visitation.
I 100% back your views as my ex spends my money on lavish nights out with also her single parent friends. I’m tired of paying for her lifestyle and see my son with very little in clothing, malnourished and so much more. She took my house, car and basically everything but yet. Her greed for more is unstoppable. Fathers united together must make a stand for our health and mental well-being as male suicide rates are going up but no one will take RESPONSIBILITY “CSA”. Show paying parents where the money paid goes, exactly goes with evidence. Brotherhood of Fathers United we STAND!
@@HzaMoor if you have 50:50 custody then you don't pay child maintenance as you have taken on a fair responsibility for your child. It was £170 to apply to the court last time I looked. Assuming that you have no criminal convictions and where married or on birth certificate and obviously sober etc then you wouldn't even need representation as you would have a clear right to 50:50 custody.
Allow Mothers & Fathers equal access to their child/ children - 50/50 shared care once separated. Set out as a law/ bill. Being recognised as standard arrangement between parents. Without using courts. Equal rights for both parents. Child maintenance would be obsolete.
@@ericbown1551 Exactly. How many non resident parents want to take a day off work to look after a sick child? How many non resident parents want to shop for school uniforms and clothes and wash those clothes?
@@daz.j Well my ex shook our son as a baby and also tried to run me over. Judge refused to believe my testimony, despite the fact that the police listed it as a road traffic accident. He granted unsupervised child contact. Our son went on to be diagnosed with Deficits in:- Attention; Motor co-ordination and Perception with Pragmatic Disorder. I will never know if him shaking our son was responsible for this. My ex used contact as an excuse to continue his abuse of me, but thankfully, he was sporadically failed to show for his son. I recorded all of this and I moved over a hundred miles away. He took it back to court for a variation and I showed the evidence. That was the end of his contact. He went on to remarry a woman from Zimbabwe and spent time on remand on allegations of having s3x with her 15 year old daughter. So I am going to say that I did the right thing in moving away.
@@banana9106 well thats not all of us good dads is it? but no we suffer because of this kind of situation i buy my kids everything and mum decides to go to the csa and deny shes ever had any money from me all in an effort to stop me being able to pay a decent solicitor to be able to fight for access even though shes had thousands over the years .... but god forbit she dosnt have an alcohol budget .........
Child maintence service is an absolute disgrace!! Been off work for up to three months with depression because of them and have to turn to a food bank for support in order to feed myself and my children when they come to stay with me as they leave me with nothing!! No incentive to work for the non resident parent!
Every non-resident parent who is having issues with the CMS we should come together to reform the CMS as this corrupt organisation cannot continue in it's current form. Please get in contact with me.
I’m a single father 6 years and my ex wife abandoned my kids for her “new life”. 5 years of endless bs and lies and manipulation from her, child courts and child maintenance. Two years on and court order was flouted from day one and now no longer in place ! Child maintenance tribunal full investigation taking over 4 years and caught on 15 counts of fraud …there is always other cases of non residents abusing the systems …and easy to do nothing ways ..if your that way inclined.
It’s an absolute mess encouraging mothers to take time away from the fathers. Not taking into account bills such as mortgage going up 400 a month. Or chasing parents who pay absolutely nothing
The CMS is nothing short of a debt collector with the same traits as a debt collector. They don’t realise what damage they cause in their attempts to get them more money out of the paying parent. It’s so unfair and degrades the relationship between paying parent and child.
The issue will only be resolved when there is a political will to do it. This will only happen when enough lives have been destroyed that a large proportion of the population has been directly effected or have close friends and family that have been affected. I think that we might be approaching this critical mass. We need political candidates standing on a platform of abolishing the CMS. How many votes they get will show if we have the critical mass. The alternative is that raising children becomes a function of the state, because families as we have known them in the past will not exist. Perhaps that is the plan?
I have been battling Child support because I don’t agree with the way how they work out how payments are done an example they check someone’s previous years income and use it, someone doing overtime from the previous tax year and they use it with their basic salary. The service is a disgrace I can’t afford what Iv been asked to pay and Iv stopped doing overtime but the mother of my own child has her own business and quit her job and I am making payment but I can’t afford what Iv been asked to pay and it’s driven me into wanting to take my own life.
@@xmrsuperx Not everyone has that option. It's not easy to find C.I.H work that's decent. I certainly ain't doing 12 hour shifts down a immigrant filled carwash...
Of course she wants to ! We live in a greedy world unfortunately. My attitude here in the uk is this - when a couple splits and a child is involved, both parents should automatically have equal rights for custody, if you’re prepared to have custody of your child for at least half the time you should pay absolutely nothing to the other party. If you feel you do not want custody of that child for at least half the time you give up your right to not pay the other party!! Here in the U.K. the mother automatically has the right of custody over the father ! There is only one reason for this - and that is to cause as much pain as possible for both party’s , and to squeeze the father financially for at least 16 - 20 years. It’s big business!! Tony Blair , David Cameron, and a number of other ex and current politicians have shares in this business set up! The CMS actually charge both parents a FEE to collect and receive money from both parents - so you see , they feed off of misery and profit from it! Another corrupted governmental organisation that only serves themselves .
Something needs to be done to the parent who refuses contact with the paying parent just so they can get more money through the CMS. Thousands using their children as cash cows
Yep csa is a blessing for me. Because they force me to go limited and saved alot in tax and caa fees. It was either that or leave the country. The government don't realised how csa affects thier tax revenue.
My ex has 4 kids with 3 different fathers and we all pay Child Support to her. She doesn't work, denies access and is about to pop out a 5th to another man. Nothing is done to her. An absolute disgrace...
Why should only one parent pay to raise a child when there are two parents,and why shouldnt both parents finances be looked into,the system who ever decided on the way maintenance is payed needs to be locked up for the suffering they are causing the one parent even to the point of suicide, dont you understand the payments are way over the amount needed to bring up a child so why do you torcher the parent who is willing to pay for their child ,but you are not giving them a chance to move on in life with another family if they choose to have one,you are leaving them with the bare minimum,while the other parent is laughing all the way to the bank with their extra wage coming in each month,and because of what you have done you have caused the same family to never talk again or be amicable with each other, you have cause anger and total frustration to the parent having to pay everything, it should be split 50/50 any sensible person would say this,they both made the child...and also why take money from their overtime as well when they are trying to make ends meet or even saving for a holiday from all the hard work they do,this also drives the payer to give up work and claim benifits instead of working for nothing,or even working on the side,you really have messed this up,it is totally unfair how you work this out and needs changing asap.
CMS needs reforming. For a start, the fees for collect and pay should be equal. Receiving parents are financially incentivised to reduce contact with the paying parents.
You have brought much more conflict to the parents of the child because of what you have done,maybe you should listen to the one parent who has to pay everything, or are you nor bothered about the trouble you have caused shame on you who think this is right to do..does a man taking his own life not matter to you....and does it not matter to you if a child loses their father because of the pressure you put on him because this is what you are doing...you speak of family hubs,what is the point of that when you have already done the damage with your unfairness ,you also said children need their fathers,I agree but you have lost the children their fathers . .you have made the mothers what they call cash cows...so true. ..
They're talking about Resident Parents being in poverty when plainly Universal Credit Prevents this, and the Resident Parents from what I see live in luxury. Whilst Non Resident Parents get no Universal Credit support and have to pay Child Maintenance which with the cost of living crisis makes having accommodation for the NRP's children to stay almost impossible. Then, NRP's children can't stay with them and so they are charged more CM. It's a spiral of diminishing returns that means being a NRP makes life unviable in this country.
how can you penalise paying parents for not being able to pay maintenance payments due to the covid crisis?? paying parents were likely out of work and struggling to feed themselves also. and to expect them to have to pay more when they do get back to work....they were hit and effected by the pandemic as well....and were likely seeing more of their children during the day, but not being allowed to have them over night as the mothers wouldnt let them as this would drop their payments.......and by the way....a child costs more during the day than at night when they are sleeping.....
National minimum wage\living wage is only enough money to sustain ONE person. Not a person and a child. That's why child support became necessary. So how is it right that a male living away from their child. (ushually not out of choice) suddenly they can afford to give away 25-30%. It's like your OK with men living on 25-30% less than the accepted minimum living standards. It's insane...
Well frankly if you are on minimum wage, then the chances are your ex may not be earning any money or might be on minimum wage, but working part time hours to accommodate child care. She has 2 people to look after, one of which will be continually growing and needing new shoes and clothes.
There on the social and social birds get the equivelent of a 40 k salary. Rent paid council tax child benefit and don’t work as it effects there for just have more kids
@@banana9106 thanks for contributing.This totally irrelevant. To the point. If you have one kid or ten. Minimum wage remains the same. But your child support goes up. The situation of the female does not change. The state maintains her and Child's status. Which is as should be. Since minimum wage. Jobs which can sustain 10 kids literally don't exist.
@@StarBoyyX which is right. Employers literally have no liability at all to pay a wage which sustains a family. But once the bloke is on his own. Suddenly he's eligible for everything. It's a fxxkin swindle. It's not really hard to understand male suicide rate. It's
There are severe penalties for non payment but no penalties it seems for fraud from receivers …. Also recipients are asked to self declare with no evidence or investigation
A mother gets paid more money for alienating their children,from the father, how is this supporting the children, your not protecting them or their right to have a relationship with their father! Wake up, why should a father pay more money, for not being allowed to see their kids, this is hypocritical in itself. Protect the right of the child. 👌🇬🇧⚔️
I dont work but unfortunately the CMS adding more arrears, i informed them but they doesn't want to change it. 3 months now since i reported the changes of circumstances.
The CMS is an incentive for residential parents to get more money and DWP like it because it fills the gap of Child benefits and Child tax credits paid, but at the expense of ruining Paying parents life and career. The % should be reduced or calculated on net income (not gross). If residential parent doesn't allow the paying parent custody rights, then she must go through court to receive child maintenance to justify this. These changes will mitigate the issues for both parents and ultimately for the child/children.
If your a non resident parent and your paying via CMS ..your being forced to pay for your own child..Ie that says more about the non resident parent than the parent with the ultimate responsibility for the children. So when people complain about CMS payments even there is an acrimonious relationship. The non resident parent is saying I’m not responsible ! Ps ya are not gonna be living like a king or queen on CMS payments.
or maybe your paying for them already and the cms decides you havent payed anything even though you have and takes 40% of your wage making it impossible to fight the case to get 50/50 joint care bc you cant afford to go to court ,,,,,,,, every case should be looked at individually with evidence of what you have spent on those kids
The system is a complete mess. Needs urgent reform, and an injection of compassion as the system often says no, when the law says different. Hence the number of cases taken to tribunal.
Sham of a system. A "resident parent" can receive 4/7ths of full CMS payments by only allowing 3 overnights a week. Deny 2 nights a month with the other parent. 4/7th Full CMS Payment. Doesn't add up I'm afraid
Ok I usually just like to watch the videos from the house. But how is it possible that there are comments from 5 days ago? Does the house of lords premiere its videos with a patreon of sorts?
Hi George, We initially uploaded the video as part of a short article on the debate houseofcommons.shorthandstories.com/child-maintenance-service-/index.html before publishing it to TH-cam. We don’t offer any priority access, and proceedings can be watched live as they happen at parliamentlive.tv/lords. Hope that answers your question.
No, the date is clearly stated underneath, oh here everyone is the same aka a youtuber, their is no class system so House of Lords commands no respect in an alleged democratic society. These ancient coffin dodging fogies going on about subjects they have no experience or relation to reality is so bliddy typical of an over bearing class system which has been hated and rejected by the mainstream decades and decades ago. The moment people understand the system, they hate it and want out. The mainstream dispise the house of lords because it is utterly anti democratic and wholly unnecessary. Just another crony hotspot channel for the old Oxbridge mostly upper class boys network. This is evidence.
Just watched this through and find is absolutely disturbing. This service is just thrown in as an after thought. You would think a department which has litteraly driven men to suicide. Forced them out of jobs and caused massive upevil to people's lives would be getting monthly reviews and updates to monitor the progress. Instead you get this half hour review where one lady is aloud to exhagerate the departments performance without even being scrutinised or questioned. Not good enough. There is a complete disconnect between what I see here and reality. Listing one case where they plundered some guy for £80000. Is just appalling. No wonder the guy was running. Since when did it require £80000 to raise a child? Highlights exactly what the problem is. Its about vendictive/gilted women punishing men. That's how the service is set up and that's the outcome they want. This madness must be stopped. No wonder the department is managed by elderly over weight ladys and those of a femanists disposition. The doddery Lord at the beginning seemed genuinely mystified how 'computer systems' could do all this stuff. Talked about computers like they are mystery machines. Is he aware that the failed child maintenance systems he over saw resulted in hundreds possibly thousands of deaths and further mystery. Very disturbed by watching this. You will not improve outcomes until men are getting a fair deal in family Courts and they are getting fair contact with their children.
It needs to be capped so it's manageable, reasonable, proportionate. Mothers should have to declare where the money is spent. Both mother and father must provide evidence of any accusations either way, not to just take the mothers world and require fathers to provide evidence in defense. Mothers should get a lower percentage if she remarried as the children take on a step father. Fathers should get a full breakdown without wishy washy info. If men can go to prison for not paying, mothers should face the same consequence if she withholds the children from the paying father.
Hopefully all these dragons who set up this horrendous service retire soon so a modern service is set up in its place which involves mandatory mediation. They should also try to provide incentives for mothers such as proportioning a percentage of payments directly to children of a certain age to taper them off if a child goes into work or higher education. Half of this panel have conflicts of interest, will never change until they retire and have created a level of intentional obsolescence that is just staggering.
Why is a noble Lord comparing some case from 87 to current times so out of touch. The whole system is so far behind and ruthless towards parents who pay. So corrupt and damaging. Thousands commuting suicide because of this corrupt service
Fundamental right as a parent to pay for your children ..and if you cannot pay say 12% of your salary. You should not have been irresponsible in the first place to have a kid, the average salary at say 12% 30k …that’s peanuts to raise a kid. It would not pay rent …
I just had to laugh about the one about paying for a property with a second bedroom for when the child comes to stay with a non resident parent. If you are the non resident parent, you only need one bedroom, because surely when your kid comes to stay you just go and sleep on the sofa. I know of a resident parent who has 6 kids, she sleeps in the garage on a permanent basis so that her kids can have bedrooms.
Government make sure that slum landlords never miss a bill payment ... But children getting fed or not they just can never get it quite right. Just so you know what their priority is.
The law also needs to change and hold people responsible who knowingly and fraudulently claim child maintenance when they aren't entitled to it, the CMS should also be held responsible and liable for the assistance and participation in those fraudulent activities. Most non resident parents who have paid more than they should have or have been forced to pay when they weren't due anything at all due to fraudulent and untrue information being submitted to the CMS by the receiving parent would be considered fraud under any other circumstance but nothing is ever done about it. The receiving parent receives money they weren't entitled to claim and the paying parent is told sorry tough luck and that money is never recovered.
According to the law it is a criminal offence for the paying non resident parents to not pay child maintenance and the CMS will actively chase non resident parents down, seize wages, savings through employers, bank account's etc and in some cases even take the non resident parent to court to recover debts owed to the resident parent with care but when a non resident parent has payed too much child maintenance to the resident parent with care nothing can be done about it and overpayments won't be recovered or when the CMS unlawfully takes child maintenance payments from a non resident parent when they shouldn't have due to false information provided by the resident parent with care in order to keep receiving child maintenance or receive more when they weren't legally entitled to it, it's somehow not considered a criminal offence. Neither the CMS or the parent receiving cms are held responsible for fraudulently taking money they had no entitlement to in the first place. The whole system is a disgrace and needs rethinking.
100000s agree , this is the future post office scandal save your evidence
These men are never taken to court. Never have a hearing and get subjected to the harshest financial penalties we can deploy at the whims of DWP employees.
Even the banks themselves are weaponized against men.
Calling into question the impartiality of our banks. They are now an extension of government enforcement.
Total power with zero checks and balances. It's the definition of tyrany.
Where is the support for all the 'paying parents' (primarily fathers) who are expected to pay when their child is held as a hostage to make them pay more, or when a paying parent is paying, while also providing everything for their children while they stay with them, pretty much equal to what they have while they stay with their primary parent, when the primary parent is receiving money from the paying parent, child benefit service and family tax credits. how is that fair? Fathers who have 'equal rights and responsibilities' are expected to fork out more just to maintain an equal home environment when they get no support from anywhere. there should also be a system for the paying parent to see what their maintenance payments are being spent on to stop the receiving parent abusing the system.
Or you could apply for 50:50 shared custody? I assume there would not be a reason why you wouldn't be allowed this, thus helping your child with this situation. A child arrangement order should help you to be able to legally enforce agreed visitation.
@@dunkadickteabags5805 it's not everyone can do 50 50. I started work at 4 this morning who'd look after my child
I 100% back your views as my ex spends my money on lavish nights out with also her single parent friends. I’m tired of paying for her lifestyle and see my son with very little in clothing, malnourished and so much more. She took my house, car and basically everything but yet. Her greed for more is unstoppable. Fathers united together must make a stand for our health and mental well-being as male suicide rates are going up but no one will take RESPONSIBILITY “CSA”. Show paying parents where the money paid goes, exactly goes with evidence. Brotherhood of Fathers United we STAND!
@@dunkadickteabags5805 is this free? Applying for 50 50 custody?
@@HzaMoor if you have 50:50 custody then you don't pay child maintenance as you have taken on a fair responsibility for your child. It was £170 to apply to the court last time I looked. Assuming that you have no criminal convictions and where married or on birth certificate and obviously sober etc then you wouldn't even need representation as you would have a clear right to 50:50 custody.
Allow Mothers & Fathers equal access to their child/ children - 50/50 shared care once separated. Set out as a law/ bill. Being recognised as standard arrangement between parents. Without using courts. Equal rights for both parents. Child maintenance would be obsolete.
In an ideal world but most non resident parents want their “cake and eat it “ scenario.
@@ericbown1551 Exactly. How many non resident parents want to take a day off work to look after a sick child? How many non resident parents want to shop for school uniforms and clothes and wash those clothes?
@@banana9106 most of them but so many are refused access to there kids by ex partners out of spite .......
@@daz.j Well my ex shook our son as a baby and also tried to run me over. Judge refused to believe my testimony, despite the fact that the police listed it as a road traffic accident. He granted unsupervised child contact. Our son went on to be diagnosed with Deficits in:- Attention; Motor co-ordination and Perception with Pragmatic Disorder. I will never know if him shaking our son was responsible for this.
My ex used contact as an excuse to continue his abuse of me, but thankfully, he was sporadically failed to show for his son. I recorded all of this and I moved over a hundred miles away. He took it back to court for a variation and I showed the evidence. That was the end of his contact.
He went on to remarry a woman from Zimbabwe and spent time on remand on allegations of having s3x with her 15 year old daughter. So I am going to say that I did the right thing in moving away.
@@banana9106 well thats not all of us good dads is it? but no we suffer because of this kind of situation i buy my kids everything and mum decides to go to the csa and deny shes ever had any money from me all in an effort to stop me being able to pay a decent solicitor to be able to fight for access even though shes had thousands over the years .... but god forbit she dosnt have an alcohol budget .........
Child maintence service is an absolute disgrace!! Been off work for up to three months with depression because of them and have to turn to a food bank for support in order to feed myself and my children when they come to stay with me as they leave me with nothing!! No incentive to work for the non resident parent!
Don't let them win pal. Your not on your own. They have buried enough fathers.
Mps are looking at the CMS at present. Make sure you tell your story to your MP.
Child maintenance is belong to all MPs, they are after the paying parents moneys
Every non-resident parent who is having issues with the CMS we should come together to reform the CMS as this corrupt organisation cannot continue in it's current form. Please get in contact with me.
I’m a single father 6 years and my ex wife abandoned my kids for her “new life”. 5 years of endless bs and lies and manipulation from her, child courts and child maintenance. Two years on and court order was flouted from day one and now no longer in place ! Child maintenance tribunal full investigation taking over 4 years and caught on 15 counts of fraud …there is always other cases of non residents abusing the systems …and easy to do nothing ways ..if your that way inclined.
False accusations of domestic abuse is the silver bullet
It’s an absolute mess encouraging mothers to take time away from the fathers. Not taking into account bills such as mortgage going up 400 a month. Or chasing parents who pay absolutely nothing
The CMS is nothing short of a debt collector with the same traits as a debt collector. They don’t realise what damage they cause in their attempts to get them more money out of the paying parent. It’s so unfair and degrades the relationship between paying parent and child.
The issue will only be resolved when there is a political will to do it. This will only happen when enough lives have been destroyed that a large proportion of the population has been directly effected or have close friends and family that have been affected. I think that we might be approaching this critical mass. We need political candidates standing on a platform of abolishing the CMS. How many votes they get will show if we have the critical mass. The alternative is that raising children becomes a function of the state, because families as we have known them in the past will not exist. Perhaps that is the plan?
I have been battling Child support because I don’t agree with the way how they work out how payments are done an example they check someone’s previous years income and use it, someone doing overtime from the previous tax year and they use it with their basic salary. The service is a disgrace I can’t afford what Iv been asked to pay and Iv stopped doing overtime but the mother of my own child has her own business and quit her job and I am making payment but I can’t afford what Iv been asked to pay and it’s driven me into wanting to take my own life.
It's why I don't ever do overtime bud
@@danny1977 that's why some of us get c i hand
Working for the Square route of nothing really sucks.
@@xmrsuperx Not everyone has that option. It's not easy to find C.I.H work that's decent. I certainly ain't doing 12 hour shifts down a immigrant filled carwash...
Of course she wants to ! We live in a greedy world unfortunately. My attitude here in the uk is this - when a couple splits and a child is involved, both parents should automatically have equal rights for custody, if you’re prepared to have custody of your child for at least half the time you should pay absolutely nothing to the other party. If you feel you do not want custody of that child for at least half the time you give up your right to not pay the other party!! Here in the U.K. the mother automatically has the right of custody over the father ! There is only one reason for this - and that is to cause as much pain as possible for both party’s , and to squeeze the father financially for at least 16 - 20 years. It’s big business!! Tony Blair , David Cameron, and a number of other ex and current politicians have shares in this business set up! The CMS actually charge both parents a FEE to collect and receive money from both parents - so you see , they feed off of misery and profit from it! Another corrupted governmental organisation that only serves themselves .
Something needs to be done to the parent who refuses contact with the paying parent just so they can get more money through the CMS.
Thousands using their children as cash cows
Yep csa is a blessing for me. Because they force me to go limited and saved alot in tax and caa fees. It was either that or leave the country. The government don't realised how csa affects thier tax revenue.
@@stinga_ is this an llc?
Speak for yourself.
My ex has 4 kids with 3 different fathers and we all pay Child Support to her. She doesn't work, denies access and is about to pop out a 5th to another man. Nothing is done to her. An absolute disgrace...
The unfortunate truth. Children are being seriously damaged in the name of doing "the best thing" for the children
Why should only one parent pay to raise a child when there are two parents,and why shouldnt both parents finances be looked into,the system who ever decided on the way maintenance is payed needs to be locked up for the suffering they are causing the one parent even to the point of suicide, dont you understand the payments are way over the amount needed to bring up a child so why do you torcher the parent who is willing to pay for their child ,but you are not giving them a chance to move on in life with another family if they choose to have one,you are leaving them with the bare minimum,while the other parent is laughing all the way to the bank with their extra wage coming in each month,and because of what you have done you have caused the same family to never talk again or be amicable with each other, you have cause anger and total frustration to the parent having to pay everything, it should be split 50/50 any sensible person would say this,they both made the child...and also why take money from their overtime as well when they are trying to make ends meet or even saving for a holiday from all the hard work they do,this also drives the payer to give up work and claim benifits instead of working for nothing,or even working on the side,you really have messed this up,it is totally unfair how you work this out and needs changing asap.
Because charging the non resident parent means that they won't dump a second family and create the problem again.
CMS needs reforming. For a start, the fees for collect and pay should be equal. Receiving parents are financially incentivised to reduce contact with the paying parents.
You have brought much more conflict to the parents of the child because of what you have done,maybe you should listen to the one parent who has to pay everything, or are you nor bothered about the trouble you have caused shame on you who think this is right to do..does a man taking his own life not matter to you....and does it not matter to you if a child loses their father because of the pressure you put on him because this is what you are doing...you speak of family hubs,what is the point of that when you have already done the damage with your unfairness ,you also said children need their fathers,I agree but you have lost the children their fathers . .you have made the mothers what they call cash cows...so true. ..
A cash cow ain’t gonna be a percentile of say 12%… you are not living like kings on that !
"The problem with society is single unmarried men" - Ian Duncan Smith
Hatred towards men is at the very heart of government policy.
Awful system, no one wants it.
There all in the pay pockets of serco etc who run the call center it’s all corruption check James English interview
@@thecultofjohnnydelr.soulsw7010 except jilted mums.
They're talking about Resident Parents being in poverty when plainly Universal Credit Prevents this, and the Resident Parents from what I see live in luxury.
Whilst Non Resident Parents get no Universal Credit support and have to pay Child Maintenance which with the cost of living crisis makes having accommodation for the NRP's children to stay almost impossible. Then, NRP's children can't stay with them and so they are charged more CM.
It's a spiral of diminishing returns that means being a NRP makes life unviable in this country.
how can you penalise paying parents for not being able to pay maintenance payments due to the covid crisis?? paying parents were likely out of work and struggling to feed themselves also. and to expect them to have to pay more when they do get back to work....they were hit and effected by the pandemic as well....and were likely seeing more of their children during the day, but not being allowed to have them over night as the mothers wouldnt let them as this would drop their payments.......and by the way....a child costs more during the day than at night when they are sleeping.....
National minimum wage\living wage is only enough money to sustain ONE person. Not a person and a child.
That's why child support became necessary.
So how is it right that a male living away from their child.
(ushually not out of choice) suddenly they can afford to give away 25-30%.
It's like your OK with men living on 25-30% less than the accepted minimum living standards.
It's insane...
Well frankly if you are on minimum wage, then the chances are your ex may not be earning any money or might be on minimum wage, but working part time hours to accommodate child care. She has 2 people to look after, one of which will be continually growing and needing new shoes and clothes.
There on the social and social birds get the equivelent of a 40 k salary. Rent paid council tax child benefit and don’t work as it effects there for just have more kids
@@banana9106 thanks for contributing.This totally irrelevant. To the point.
If you have one kid or ten.
Minimum wage remains the same.
But your child support goes up.
The situation of the female does not change. The state maintains her and Child's status. Which is as should be.
Since minimum wage.
Jobs which can sustain 10 kids literally don't exist.
@@StarBoyyX which is right. Employers literally have no liability at all to pay a wage which sustains a family.
But once the bloke is on his own.
Suddenly he's eligible for everything.
It's a fxxkin swindle.
It's not really hard to understand male suicide rate.
It's
Employers have being laughing all the way to the bank.
If the court refuses access then they've no right to demand payment imo. Its a slapnin the face.
There are severe penalties for non payment but no penalties it seems for fraud from receivers …. Also recipients are asked to self declare with no evidence or investigation
A mother gets paid more money for alienating their children,from the father, how is this supporting the children, your not protecting them or their right to have a relationship with their father!
Wake up, why should a father pay more money, for not being allowed to see their kids, this is hypocritical in itself.
Protect the right of the child.
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I dont work but unfortunately the CMS adding more arrears, i informed them but they doesn't want to change it. 3 months now since i reported the changes of circumstances.
The CMS is an incentive for residential parents to get more money and DWP like it because it fills the gap of Child benefits and Child tax credits paid, but at the expense of ruining Paying parents life and career.
The % should be reduced or calculated on net income (not gross).
If residential parent doesn't allow the paying parent custody rights, then she must go through court to receive child maintenance to justify this.
These changes will mitigate the issues for both parents and ultimately for the child/children.
If your a non resident parent and your paying via CMS ..your being forced to pay for your own child..Ie that says more about the non resident parent than the parent with the ultimate responsibility for the children. So when people complain about CMS payments even there is an acrimonious relationship. The non resident parent is saying I’m not responsible ! Ps ya are not gonna be living like a king or queen on CMS payments.
I completely agree with that.
or maybe your paying for them already and the cms decides you havent payed anything even though you have and takes 40% of your wage making it impossible to fight the case to get 50/50 joint care bc you cant afford to go to court ,,,,,,,, every case should be looked at individually with evidence of what you have spent on those kids
The system is a complete mess. Needs urgent reform, and an injection of compassion as the system often says no, when the law says different. Hence the number of cases taken to tribunal.
Sham of a system.
A "resident parent" can receive 4/7ths of full CMS payments by only allowing 3 overnights a week.
Deny 2 nights a month with the other parent.
4/7th Full CMS Payment.
Doesn't add up I'm afraid
Actions speak louder than words…. 20 years later
Ok I usually just like to watch the videos from the house. But how is it possible that there are comments from 5 days ago? Does the house of lords premiere its videos with a patreon of sorts?
Hi George,
We initially uploaded the video as part of a short article on the debate houseofcommons.shorthandstories.com/child-maintenance-service-/index.html before publishing it to TH-cam. We don’t offer any priority access, and proceedings can be watched live as they happen at parliamentlive.tv/lords.
Hope that answers your question.
No, the date is clearly stated underneath, oh here everyone is the same aka a youtuber, their is no class system so House of Lords commands no respect in an alleged democratic society.
These ancient coffin dodging fogies going on about subjects they have no experience or relation to reality is so bliddy typical of an over bearing class system which has been hated and rejected by the mainstream decades and decades ago.
The moment people understand the system, they hate it and want out.
The mainstream dispise the house of lords because it is utterly anti democratic and wholly unnecessary.
Just another crony hotspot channel for the old Oxbridge mostly upper class boys network.
This is evidence.
Just watched this through and find is absolutely disturbing. This service is just thrown in as an after thought. You would think a department which has litteraly driven men to suicide. Forced them out of jobs and caused massive upevil to people's lives would be getting monthly reviews and updates to monitor the progress. Instead you get this half hour review where one lady is aloud to exhagerate the departments performance without even being scrutinised or questioned.
Not good enough.
There is a complete disconnect between what I see here and reality.
Listing one case where they plundered some guy for £80000.
Is just appalling. No wonder the guy was running.
Since when did it require £80000 to raise a child? Highlights exactly what the problem is.
Its about vendictive/gilted women punishing men. That's how the service is set up and that's the outcome they want.
This madness must be stopped.
No wonder the department is managed by elderly over weight ladys and those of a femanists disposition.
The doddery Lord at the beginning seemed genuinely mystified how 'computer systems' could do all this stuff. Talked about computers like they are mystery machines.
Is he aware that the failed child maintenance systems he over saw resulted in hundreds possibly thousands of deaths and further mystery.
Very disturbed by watching this.
You will not improve outcomes until men are getting a fair deal in family Courts and they are getting fair contact with their children.
It needs to be capped so it's manageable, reasonable, proportionate. Mothers should have to declare where the money is spent. Both mother and father must provide evidence of any accusations either way, not to just take the mothers world and require fathers to provide evidence in defense.
Mothers should get a lower percentage if she remarried as the children take on a step father.
Fathers should get a full breakdown without wishy washy info.
If men can go to prison for not paying, mothers should face the same consequence if she withholds the children from the paying father.
Hopefully all these dragons who set up this horrendous service retire soon so a modern service is set up in its place which involves mandatory mediation. They should also try to provide incentives for mothers such as proportioning a percentage of payments directly to children of a certain age to taper them off if a child goes into work or higher education. Half of this panel have conflicts of interest, will never change until they retire and have created a level of intentional obsolescence that is just staggering.
Whoever is responsbile for this has to go to prison
Why is a noble Lord comparing some case from 87 to current times so out of touch. The whole system is so far behind and ruthless towards parents who pay. So corrupt and damaging. Thousands commuting suicide because of this corrupt service
So all I'm getting is better off not working
How can someone not be contributing to their children if they live with them? This is ridicules.
Fundamental right as a parent to pay for your children ..and if you cannot pay say 12% of your salary. You should not have been irresponsible in the first place to have a kid, the average salary at say 12% 30k …that’s peanuts to raise a kid. It would not pay rent …
@@ericbown1551 Think that depends on circumstances. I can not work because of my son's disabilities, but ex is playing up about paying.
Typical; money is more important than time....
I just had to laugh about the one about paying for a property with a second bedroom for when the child comes to stay with a non resident parent. If you are the non resident parent, you only need one bedroom, because surely when your kid comes to stay you just go and sleep on the sofa. I know of a resident parent who has 6 kids, she sleeps in the garage on a permanent basis so that her kids can have bedrooms.
We all know that the CMS is belong to MPs
Government make sure that slum landlords never miss a bill payment ...
But children getting fed or not they just can never get it quite right.
Just so you know what their priority is.
Greetings to UK House of Lords.
Absurd how they get away with not paying
You can start by stop eating so much and donate the money to starving children
The law needs to change to make people that dont pay for there children pay.
The law needs to change. Where fathers shouldnt be forces in to being financially responsible for a child, he didn't want or ask for.
Let's hope mum's are made to pay too you can read my case then you might get off your high horse for a bit
The law also needs to change and hold people responsible who knowingly and fraudulently claim child maintenance when they aren't entitled to it, the CMS should also be held responsible and liable for the assistance and participation in those fraudulent activities. Most non resident parents who have paid more than they should have or have been forced to pay when they weren't due anything at all due to fraudulent and untrue information being submitted to the CMS by the receiving parent would be considered fraud under any other circumstance but nothing is ever done about it. The receiving parent receives money they weren't entitled to claim and the paying parent is told sorry tough luck and that money is never recovered.
Women literally sleep with bums or men without careers who can't pay their bills. Then expect them transform into providers when they get preggo. 😂
@@danny1977 Sounds like your in my camp…