Making Greek Vases
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ย. 2010
- In ancient Greece, the phrase "to make pottery" meant to work hard. While all Greek pottery was made by similar methods, the pottery techniques of Athens are especially well understood. The typical Athenian pottery workshop was a small establishment consisting of a potter and several assistants. The potter prepared the clay, threw or formed the vases, and oversaw their firing. He may also have decorated the vases himself, or employed vase-painters to decorate his wares.
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I'm studying Greek pottery in my current Art History class, and this video was extremely helpful in understanding the black figure painting process! Thank you!
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I study archeology and this was extremely helpful! It's one thing to learn in theory and another to actually get to see the process!
Coming from a family of potters it makes me happy that someone else makes our clay :)
You are a wizard, Harry.
"Potter and clay that lays the exquisite, definitely excellent and lavish in so many ways, it is an object of admiration and purification"
As a PhD student in Classical Archaeology, this video was really helpful in visualising the process of black figure painting. I have heard lectures about the process during my BA and MA studies, but haven't seen it done in a video.
i certainly like this. I can use this in my art classes. Thanks gettymuseum.
Beautifully explained and illustrated!
As an amateur Cartoonist, I always wanted my own Greek vase. We did some sculpting in school, but were never able to paint it...
I’m glad I found this channel. Love all the videos
Lot's of different videos on how they were made ancient greek pottery...I'll stick to this!
This video is still relevant today, I'm studying celtic pottery and it helps a lot understanding how their neighbors crafted their vases :D
i like this video because it has 4:20 minutes
I'm glad we have our priorites straight.
I've seen the same technic used still today on pottery in my region. Is really astouding to see how old they are.
Can you explain how the extra fine clay for the black parts is made? I am trying to recreate the process, but have not managed to get a slip that turns glossy and captures the carbon..
@@sliceofbread2611 I just saw some demostrations, and the black was just clay slip, but a different clay than the pot. I remember because it was surprising to me. I understood they collected that clay somewhere else, not that they added anythin special.
They also made totally black pottery, without the added slip, just firing in low oxygen (Exactly like in the video) and it was not gloss at all. So... no idea. The clay they used for the slip, must have something different.
the clay paint is called "slip" its clay mixed with water and vinegar
extremely enlightening
mind blown
That was interesting..... I thought they just painted the red and black.
передаём спасибо за знания Гоголеву Дмитрию Александровичу, вы замечательно и очень интересно ведёте (извините что иногда опаздываем, нам стыдно честно 😅)
attiki clay is rather bright , due to kaolin illite. how ever the black gloss slip, was not made from this. these slips where seen as Sacred earth, , aside from this , why did german chemists research this in ww2. one clue in ancient greek vase. is this green patina. a sometimes sparkly patina. what is it, it comes out of the slip settling. it's a boron. this material turns green in the kiln under reduction. ancient greek potters did use this material on their vases.
dynamic understatement
this is what im currently studying in art history.
Kenneth Jeffrey same I am too
What made the painted parts turn glossy but not the main body of the pot? Clay composition or something else?
i think it is a slip made from a finer clay. but i am not sure.
I think the reason might be because of the drying process before they painted it. Because they put the pieces in before the “paint” dried, the wet clay acted as a glaze. Through the three step firing process, the wet clay had different properties when exposed to high heat and the reintroduction of oxygen in the last step.
If you think about it, it’s similar to modern pottery in a way. The raw clay the pot is made of stays a similar color even after it’s fired, but the glaze on top changes color and consistency when exposed to high heat.
I also forgot to mention:
The “slip” they used to paint the pots was a different clay found in the same area dissolved in a water and vinegar mixture. This reacts with the carbon from the leafy fuel in the second step, and creates a glossy finish.
My apologies for any misinformation. It is very early for me, and I had to watch the video again to fix my initial answer
That’s a lot of fire 🧍♀️
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utube powdered metallurgy , the ancient greeks appear to have been doing this to. and it is possible that the potters and painters had direct access to slips that had a duality roll. 30 years ago, when studying the ancient greek pottery at university, i was asked to make tiles in this black gloss, but what i found was not pottery persay. these reduction kiln firings are metals based. and if one is truely interested look at oxfords science park "bedbroke" nanosilicates in ceramics.
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are you sure?
woooo
what was the slip made of?
Eheh...they obviously missed to say that ;)
Дмитрий Александрович, здравствуйте! Сижу на паре истории и пишу этот комментарий, отправляю весточку 😀
3:41 How do you increase the temperature of the kiln while simultaneously suffocating the flame in it?
this is something i also fail to understand.. especially since they are adding green wood which has lots of water in it..
the same theory is also on wikipedia, where it is claimed that green wood and leafy material is added, and temperature raised..
i feel like it would be more logical to raise the temperature so that the slip melts. then blocking airflow to get a reduction atmosphere, turning the slip black (with soot?) and then the temperature reduces, solidifying and sealing the black slip. and then allowing an oxidizing atmosphere again.
I think there was a separate section of the kiln where the fire was fed, and the part where the clay pieces were heated was a different section. Many people forget this, but stone is a very good conductor. Not for electricity, but for heat. If you have a fire that’s hot enough, you can put it by a stone enclosure and the inside will heat up and reflect the heat inside very well if given enough time.
This is how most modern kilns work in fact. They’re filled with sections of stone shelves to put clay pieces on and are lined with stone. The heating element is usually on the other side of the “loading area” for safety.
@@charbird20 I don't think the ancient vase firing kilns had different sections for the fire and for the vase. In the video they say the vase turned black when the fire was suffocated "creating an oxygen poor environment" (3:33), which sounds like smoke to me (and like @sliceofbread2611 said, "soot") , and I guess that smoke/soot made the vase black, which would mean the fire was in the same section as the vase.
I think the real reason for the temperature increase is closing the vents (3:29) which prevents heat from escaping from the kiln.
Watching this in 2021
They don’t make them like they used too
one second too short
Vuhzzz
am i the only one triggered by the way he says vase
Yes
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