Hi Everyone! Many of you have contacted me about the x16 PCIe riser for the R710 server based on this video. Unfortunately, I've completely sold out and they are now very hard to find. I got so many inquiries about this, that I decided I would help you guys out by selling the 2x8 PCIe riser with the PCIe slots cut open so you can use those to run your GPUs in your R710. I made a video about it here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html They are also available in my eBay store. Just checkout the links in the video above. Hope that helps you guys out! :-)
Thanks! Yeah, those GP347 risers are impossible to find. I started offering modified riser boards in this video: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html (Link to item in my store is in the video description) Hope that helps!
Absolutely brilliant, your series is entertaining, still educative, this is a modern saga of the R710, your video series makes R710 a cultic gear of desire. Just like a number of film cameras of old times have a fan community. Or, retro cars.
Your compliments are over the top and gave me a great laugh! Thank you for your kind words and I'm happy to hear that these videos have provided entertainment and education! Thank you for watching! :-)
Hey man, i just wanted to say Thank you for all your helpful video's. I purchased one of the riser cards from you and am up and running with the M2000. I know its not the P2000, but its works well for my UNRAID Plex server!!! GPU transcoding has taken my CPU's from almost maxing out 90-95%, on FreeNAS with 1 transcoding stream, to 8% on UNRAID with GPU Transcodong and 3 transcoded streams running. Now i could get more, but haven't had this up long enough to try.
Just done the same thing to my Dell SC8000 (R720), got the 16x PCIe slot 3 riser and running a Tesla M60, gets the monster GPU over the top of the PSUs, had to improvise with power to it, but works a treat, looking forward to your Plex setup guide, great video's, keep up the good work.
Hey, thanks for the video. I was wondering about the proximity of that fan on the graphics card and the lid of the R710. Will that cause the card to not get enough airflow and cause it to over heat?
That's a good point, but I think it should be okay. The fan wall of the server is always supplying cool air to the PCIe slot, so it should be okay. I do agree, it's not the most ideal GPU cooler for this configuration, but I never did have a overheating problem with the GPU like this. In fact, replacing the GPU cooler with a large passive heatsink might work just as well since the server chassis already supplies the airflow... never tried it, but it could work.
@Shayne Chambers Also, I made a 2x8 riser that would allow you to install the GPU in the lower slot, so that might make a better opening for the airflow into the stock GPU cooler. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I have seen bunch of people saying the gpu x8 slot in r710 is limited to 25w and quadro p2000 needs 75w power, cutting the slot is not an issue, but will the card for power issues ?
I was looking at the spec sheet for the R710, and it says the max power is 25W for efficient cooling. I have a few questions: 1) how much power can the PCI slot deliver to the card since there’s no molex connectors to provide additional power to the card, and 2) would it be better to upgrade the PSU to the 870W version or to get an external PSU and jerry-rig it to power the card? Also, 3) since the main concern regarding power draw appears to be cooling, would it be enough to cut a hole in the case lid where the fan on the GPU sits?
Hey! I'm sorry that this comment is super late, but I'd assume you are locked down by how much power the PCIE slot can supply, as obviously there are no 8 pin connectors available for GPU external power connection available. What are a few good graphics cards like this fine quadro you'd recommend for a windows parsec server?
I don't know what is required for a Windows parsec server? There are several GPUs that don't require external PCIe power connectors. However, if you want to use a GPU that requires additional power, some people have tapped into the PDB to get 12V or spliced into the power cable for the backplane. Those are some options to get additional power to your GPU.
@@ArtofServer I've seen quite a few people tap into the PDB, but I'd be really scared of frying my motherboard and messing up! Parsec really only needs an encoding chip, so my needs are an encoding chip, on a card with no extra power, that isn't completely awful! (Really, a GT 1030 with an encoder is perfectly fine!) Amazing video by the way!
@@zom. are you just using Nvidia nvenc and nvdec functions? if the PDB method is unnerving for you, look into splicing the power cable to the backplane. it should provide plenty of amps on the 12V rail since it's designed to handle 15K RPM SAS HDDs.
Hello ! please in case we can't fin the x16 riser, do you think we can use an NVIDIA GT710 ? it's pcie 2.0 x8 so i think it fits directly. right ? thanx !
I watched all of your videos, you are doing a good job!! I am trying long to get hold of a poweredge r 820- do you have any idea how loud will that go?
Actually Im not sure reading the spec.. D. X16 Express Card Specifications The PowerEdge R710 supports x16 cards that meet the following requirements: • Standard height (4.376") • Maximum length of 9.5" (Half-length cards are 6.6"; Full-length cards are 12.283") • x16 cards can only plug into the optional PowerEdge R710 x16 left riser • Support for full bandwidth of x16 Gen2 link • No support for hot-plug or hot-removal • Maximum power of 25W • The PowerEdge R710 provides +12V, +3.3V, and +3.3Vaux in accordance with Power Supply Rail Requirements (Table 4-1 of PCIe Card Electromechanical Spec, Rev 2.0) • The PowerEdge R710 x16 slot is not compliant with the PCI Express x16 Graphics 150W-ATX Specification • x16 cards must be compliant with the PCI Express Card Electromechanical Specification Rev 2.0 • x16 cards must only occupy the space of one slot. Cards that occupy the space of two slots are not supported • The x16 card is limited to 25W initial start-up power until it is configured as a high-power device. If no value is set for the Slot Power Limit, the card is limited to 25W. The card must then either scale down to 25W or disable operation per PCI Express Base Spec Rev 2.0 • The x16 card must be able to support a maximum operating temperature of 55°C as defined in the Dell PCI Environmental Spec and the PCI Express Card Electromechanical Spec. The PowerEdge R710 provides a minimum transverse air velocity of 100 LFM (linear feet per minute) to the x16 card.
I think it's a lot easier to modify the riser board or buy one of my pre-modified ones. There's not a lot of room in a 2U rack mount chassis to otherwise mount the GPU in some other location.
Thanks for sharing the video. I have an r730xd and would like to add Quadro k4200 to pass through to a MacOS Big Sur vm. seems I need a pcie power cable to support the power consumption of the GPU. Can you recommend what pcie power cable(parts number) i shall be getting? Do you sell any of these?
Hi - A totally off topic question....is there anyway to add additional SATA power cables to the rear of an r720? Theres a spare sata port on board - i thought that would be a good place to add a generic sata ssd for proxmox booting? Ive seen a video (not sure if it was you) of someone adding additional power for a gpu by soldering straight off the back of the hot plug PSU rails. Cheers.
there's always a way... but i would suggest a PCIe card with a SATA port instead... get the power from the PCIe slot, while the data connection will be to the SATA port onboard the m/b. they have such cards with both a NVMe M.2 + SATA M.2 slot and you can use both at the same time.
@@ArtofServer Not sure what you mean....ive actually got a spare generic quad port sata card (Startech i think) but it only has 4 ports (ie theres no power) - i also bought a generic 2port nvme pcie board and stuck 2 128gb nvme cards on there but the server doesnt see that atall...(thanks very much for the reply though)!
@@ArtofServer I Found a way....just for anyone else that has an issue with power....behnd the main fan row there are a couple of power headers to the backplain....grey is 3v, black is earth and yellow is the 12v line. Ive tapped on sata off one of those which has worked. Ill take another feed off the other power cable to the back plain to keep it even. Cheers.
@@ArtofServer No Prob - just to elaborate a little bit more the other backplane cable i converted today - i had a spare modular ITX PSU cable which i cut the cable off (PSU side) and then wired that in giving me 4 standard molex's.
Thanks for this series!! Planning to order a riser soon from you, any thoughts on an inexpensive graphics upgrade for the r710? Trying to find single slot x16 cards that would easily work in s12r2 hyper-v environment. Cheers!!
Yeah, it's a little harder to find a single slot "gaming" card... but there are plenty of such options with the workstation GPUs. thanks for watching!! :-)
@@smarticleco7806 For PLEX, the lowest cost GPU with HEVC codec is Quadro P400 I believe. It's also very low power, but it has artificial limitation of number of NVDEC sessions. The Quadro P2000 does not have that artificial limitation.
Does the pci 16 slot make any performance difference between just doing the Dremel trick on the x8 pci slot? Cheers thanks for sharing this. From another cat lover 😻
The difference between 8 lanes Vs 16 is well known to be SFA. Just mod the slot with hot iron (Safer than a dremel). Now you still have other slot for cards or HBA's.
The intent here is to use the GPU for GPGPU applications, like video transcoding in PLEX, or perhaps to passthrough to a virtual machine. I don't know of a way to have the Dell server use a add-in PCIe graphics card for console output.
@@ArtofServer I have a similar question, so I'll piggyback on this comment. I'm actually using an R720, but the same concept applies. It IS possible to use a GPU for video output from the server, but you lose console video view for the iDRAC and the ability to access the BIOS. After lots of Googling and experimentation, I can confirm this; the way to make it work is to install the GPU, open the BIOS settings --> Integrated Devices, and disable integrated video. Afterwards if you need to restore iDRAC console remote video and access to the BIOS, disconnect the GPU and reboot. An important note, there is NO way to access BIOS settings (from everything I've tried and read) while the onboard video is disabled. However, my questions is slightly different. Related to this video, I have a spare GTX 1050 that conveniently doesn't need external power that I'd like to use just for transcoding. I've noticed without doing the above trick to use the GPU for video output, Linux Ubuntu 18.04 doesn't list the GPU as a video output option. I don't actually need to use it for video output since I just want to use it for compute, so how can I confirm Linux is seeing the GPU and will allow Plex to use it for transcoding?
Do you have to disable the onboard video card in order to enable the PCI-e video card. I have installed a VisionTek 5450 to use as a server monitor using a Samsung TV, but the HDMI port shows as unconnected.
my guess would be yes, but i honestly don't know. i only use the GPU for nvenc acceleration, not as an actual GPU. have you tried that video card in another machine just to verify it works?
@@ArtofServer I have not tried it in another server, my only other machine is a laptop If I disable on board video in the bios and the card still does not work, by resetting the nvram jumper will would that reenable the onboard video? excellent video series by the way.
Would there be any performance impact if you notched one of the x8 ports as you mentioned on the riser card? compared to just using the 16x riser? I was wanting to install an amd fire pro s9100 or s9150 and tapping a power connector on the PSU header.
Depends on your use case. PCIe 2.0 x8 gives you about 4GB/sec max. So if your use case requires more bandwidth than that, then there might be a bottleneck. For the video transcoding use case, I don't think it matters.
@Art of Server I have a Quadro P2000 card, and I'm not able to get any PCI x16 riser on the market, if I buy the modified x8 PCI one does it work with that GPU? I will experience any bottleneck or performance issue?
Hi, I am very beginner I have an inquiry if I purchase a server to support my main computer Do I install programs that require a lot of effort on the server system, or do I install them on my main device In other words, can you take advantage of the power of the server processor on the programs on the primary computer?
That's a question that has a complicated answer. You might want to research client/server computing architectures and also distributed computing as well. The industry has shifted back and forth over the decades between client-side vs server-side and central vs distributed computing. As hardware capabilities evolve asymmetrically, the way software uses those compute resources change over time too...
I have a PowerEdge R510 and wanted to know if the riser board you are using will work on my server? I did some research and found that Dell did sell a Riser 2 PCI-e x16 for the R510 but I cannot find it anywhere. I stumbled upon your video when researching and I've been wanting to use the P2000 GPU. I would truly appreciate any response to this. Thank you and great videos I am glad I subscribed to your channel.
@@ArtofServer Editing my comment as the GP347 part for the R710 will not work for the R510. For anyone else who might want to try this and has the R510. I found the part which was shown a "Riser 2 (for GPGPU ONLY): One PCIe slot (x16 bandwidth and slot)" The part is Y907R - PWA,RSR,SV,DELL,R510,PCIE,2U,2 - Dell PowerEdge R510 2x (1x+1 internal slot) PCIe Riser Option for GP/GPU support (Riser 2) They are not as easily found and did not see any listed on eBay. I will attempt to get it from a server store which was the only one I found that carried it. If anything else I can try the P2000 GPU and see if it works.
@@ArtofServer Hey sorry for all the messages, last thing for sanity check. I saw the p2000 GPU required 75 watts to operate and these servers I believe offer 25 to 30 watts. Do you have to use an external power source or connect to the power supply to get this to work?
I would like to add a GPU to my R710 for video encoding on a jellyfin (similar to PLEX) server. But I'm on a tighter budget than this graphics card allows. What are some less expensive options that may work for my use case?
Hey art, Great content as always. Do you know if there’s anyway I can get a p2000 to work inside a dell R620? The dell R620 is a 1u server and only has half height PCI slots. I have a supermicro 846 DAS attached to the R620 and would like to add the p2000 for better performance. I am thinking I could maybe place the p2000 inside the supermicro if necessary. Any ideas on what parts I would need to make this work?
if you only have half height PCIe slots, I don't think the P2000 is a good option. I mean, anything is possible if you want to fabricate stuff and for example, run a PCIe ribbon cable to some other location to mount the GPU. But, that's a whole lot of trouble for not a lot of gain if there are easier options... And speaking of other options, I would say look at the Quadro P400. It has the 2 nvenc streams limit in the nvidia driver, but there's a way to workaround it, and even if you didn't, it might be enough depending on your use. I'll probably put out some videos about this too in the near future.
Sorry, no idea... I do have an R610 around here somewhere from a DC pull. At some point, I'll get around to making videos about the R610 and then I'll be able to answer your question on it. There's always the option of modding the existing riser to accept x16 cards, like I showed here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
Not sure what your question is getting at. You will not be able to use the video card for console output, that will still go out the onboard VGA. If Windows has the driver for the GPU, it will see the GPU and can use it once the OS is booted up.
Depends on what type of storage controller you want. I used a H200 with LSI IT mode firmware because I was planning using ZFS. If you want RAID, then H700 is the right choice.
So I purchased an R710 with 128GB of ram. a crazy amount of ram... but this unit has the 2.5" SAS drives backplane. Trying to find NAS drives that are 2.5" I am finding a limit of 2TB on WD reds. do you know of any larger drives in the 2.5" format that would work well in this environment, for a ZFS build?? my fear with using laptop drives is, I have read that a lot of times they can not be used in arrays or NAS environment or will fail quicker.
Hmmm... there are 2.5" HDDs that are larger, but not "work well in this environment" ... most larger mechanical drives in 2.5" format are SMR drives and they are not great for things other than archiving data (write once, read many). Also, SMR drives don't seem to survive as long. You can find SSDs that are larger, but they are going to be a lot more expensive. So, unfortunately, I don't have great idea for you. Maybe someone else watching this might have some ideas?
Art of Server heard and tanks so much for the reply. What do you think will be the probability of success in ordering a bare LFF and transferring ram/cpus and other stuff to a LFF from my current SFF? Even if I loose two drives I can get larger NAS drives for the space needed. The SFF I have is fully functioning unit, just want the larger drives, and the ram for virtualization.
you could always add an external port hba or raid card and store your drives of any size in another case. they call this a DAS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-attached_storage
I sell the riser for the R710 that allows GPU to installed. See video description for link. Easiest GPU are those that do not require external power. Success reported with P2000, P2200, and P400.
thats a really expensive card... just looked on ebay and £200-£400. Just wondering who would need a card that can do 10+ streams at 4k. i just got a supermicro server as i was only interested in the 32tb of hdd that came with it. So just seeing what I can do with it in a home / very small business enviroment. When I first turned it on I was shocked by the fan as my current i7 makes no noise. That was like a jumbo jet spinning up.
it's full profile, and about the same length as many other GPUs, but it is single slotted, so the heatsink/cooler doesn't extend into the neighboring PCIe slot like on many modern gaming GPUs.
IIRC Dell specifies a maxmimum powerdraw of 25W for PCIE peripherals. Also, the 870W PSU is needed otherwise the system down clocks the processor and RAM. Thanks for the video.
Yes, i saw that 25W information too. But I don't think it is correct with this riser as i'm pretty sure this GPU will draw more than 25W. Maybe because the 2 x8 PCIe slots are combined, for this riser the limit might be higher.
I'm guessing you're asking about part 5? If so, it's still work in progress. I ran into a few things that don't work as expected, and I want to make sure I share accurate information. That, and dealing with some other unrelated server issues. Appreciate the patience! :-)
After 6 months of searching just came across your video. I own a DELL R720 service tag 7RLVGX1 with upgraded power source and i do not manage to instal a EVGA GeForce GTX 1070ti GPU. I want to use this beefed server ( have 16 hard disks 10.000 rpm and with 128 RAM ) for editingm cutting and color grading 4k video footage. I want a good GPU card that has 4 outputs ( or at least 3 of them ) and there is little to no informations abiut what GPU powerfull cards are compatible. Could you pls help and let me know if you have an PayPal account to compensate for your time. Best regards
I have a r710 wirh X5675 x 2 and 144GB of RAM, 6 sata hd for a total the 10TB and H700. In the riser i add a sound card and 4 port usb3. The sound card i dont't work for now. I buy from you the riser PCIe x16. i can add quadro P2000 for game and top performance wirth photoshop? The power of the riser PCIe don't create problem with all hardware installed in the riser? Thank you.
Hi Everyone! Many of you have contacted me about the x16 PCIe riser for the R710 server based on this video. Unfortunately, I've completely sold out and they are now very hard to find. I got so many inquiries about this, that I decided I would help you guys out by selling the 2x8 PCIe riser with the PCIe slots cut open so you can use those to run your GPUs in your R710. I made a video about it here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
They are also available in my eBay store. Just checkout the links in the video above. Hope that helps you guys out! :-)
mind me asking what the performance difference is if any?
No difference that I know of. Certainly for PLEX transcoding x8 vs x16 lanes makes no difference.
This guide is awesome, i love your channel. Im working on adding a p2200 but haven't had luck finding a riser. Those suckers are rare.
Thanks! Yeah, those GP347 risers are impossible to find. I started offering modified riser boards in this video: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
(Link to item in my store is in the video description)
Hope that helps!
Absolutely brilliant, your series is entertaining, still educative, this is a modern saga of the R710, your video series makes R710 a cultic gear of desire. Just like a number of film cameras of old times have a fan community. Or, retro cars.
Your compliments are over the top and gave me a great laugh! Thank you for your kind words and I'm happy to hear that these videos have provided entertainment and education! Thank you for watching! :-)
Hey man, i just wanted to say Thank you for all your helpful video's. I purchased one of the riser cards from you and am up and running with the M2000. I know its not the P2000, but its works well for my UNRAID Plex server!!! GPU transcoding has taken my CPU's from almost maxing out 90-95%, on FreeNAS with 1 transcoding stream, to 8% on UNRAID with GPU Transcodong and 3 transcoded streams running. Now i could get more, but haven't had this up long enough to try.
that's awesome!
Just done the same thing to my Dell SC8000 (R720), got the 16x PCIe slot 3 riser and running a Tesla M60, gets the monster GPU over the top of the PSUs, had to improvise with power to it, but works a treat, looking forward to your Plex setup guide, great video's, keep up the good work.
Thank you!!
Congratulations, gone over 1k today 👍. Should be higher, because you have some great content! Cheers
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I used a EVGA geforce gtx 1050 on the bottom slot that I cut open with a dremmel and it works great.
That's great! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks buddy I learned a lot! 4/9/2023 10:31pm
Glad this was helpful! :-)
Thanks for your time and effort.
Thanks for watching!
Hey, thanks for the video. I was wondering about the proximity of that fan on the graphics card and the lid of the R710. Will that cause the card to not get enough airflow and cause it to over heat?
That's a good point, but I think it should be okay. The fan wall of the server is always supplying cool air to the PCIe slot, so it should be okay. I do agree, it's not the most ideal GPU cooler for this configuration, but I never did have a overheating problem with the GPU like this. In fact, replacing the GPU cooler with a large passive heatsink might work just as well since the server chassis already supplies the airflow... never tried it, but it could work.
@Shayne Chambers Also, I made a 2x8 riser that would allow you to install the GPU in the lower slot, so that might make a better opening for the airflow into the stock GPU cooler. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I have seen bunch of people saying the gpu x8 slot in r710 is limited to 25w and quadro p2000 needs 75w power,
cutting the slot is not an issue, but will the card for power issues ?
I've had a lot of customers use P2000 in the R710 without issue.
I was looking at the spec sheet for the R710, and it says the max power is 25W for efficient cooling. I have a few questions: 1) how much power can the PCI slot deliver to the card since there’s no molex connectors to provide additional power to the card, and 2) would it be better to upgrade the PSU to the 870W version or to get an external PSU and jerry-rig it to power the card? Also, 3) since the main concern regarding power draw appears to be cooling, would it be enough to cut a hole in the case lid where the fan on the GPU sits?
Love this series! Thanks!
Glad you enjoy it!
Hey! I'm sorry that this comment is super late, but I'd assume you are locked down by how much power the PCIE slot can supply, as obviously there are no 8 pin connectors available for GPU external power connection available. What are a few good graphics cards like this fine quadro you'd recommend for a windows parsec server?
I don't know what is required for a Windows parsec server?
There are several GPUs that don't require external PCIe power connectors. However, if you want to use a GPU that requires additional power, some people have tapped into the PDB to get 12V or spliced into the power cable for the backplane. Those are some options to get additional power to your GPU.
@@ArtofServer I've seen quite a few people tap into the PDB, but I'd be really scared of frying my motherboard and messing up!
Parsec really only needs an encoding chip, so my needs are an encoding chip, on a card with no extra power, that isn't completely awful! (Really, a GT 1030 with an encoder is perfectly fine!)
Amazing video by the way!
@@zom. are you just using Nvidia nvenc and nvdec functions?
if the PDB method is unnerving for you, look into splicing the power cable to the backplane. it should provide plenty of amps on the 12V rail since it's designed to handle 15K RPM SAS HDDs.
@@ArtofServer in theory, yes just that
How would the backplane method be performed? I'd certainly be much much more comfortable with that!
I'd need NVENC/VCE + DirectX 11.1
Hello !
please in case we can't fin the x16 riser, do you think we can use an NVIDIA GT710 ? it's pcie 2.0 x8 so i think it fits directly. right ?
thanx !
You can also get a modified riser that I offer to install a x16 GPU: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
@@ArtofServer okay thanx i will check the link ✌🏻
I watched all of your videos, you are doing a good job!! I am trying long to get hold of a poweredge r 820- do you have any idea how loud will that go?
Thanks for your support!
Actually, I've no experience with the R820 :-(
The R820 isn't that much louder than a 710/720 actually.
Thanks brotherman.
Glad this helped! Thanks for watching!
très bien expliquer, very good demonstration, great job thanks.
thank you for watching!
Great series.
Thank you
Do you plan on doing one with the OS install.
and config
Thank you! Yes, just trying to decide what to install.... ;-)
FYI, OS install video coming up soon... stay tuned!
Quadro GPUs can also be passed through into VMs in ESXi (you neeed a vGPU license, which is quite expensive), while GeForce (consumer) cards cannot.
Tape or glue the sensor down.
Thx I plan on ordering one when I get payed next week if you still have one
I have a box of full of them, so there should be plenty. I don't expect these to sell out quickly.
Thanks for watching! :-)
I was thinking to get a 16x ribbon cable and rig it up somehow, but the next limitation would be there is only 25watts off the 16x bus.
Actually Im not sure reading the spec..
D. X16 Express Card Specifications
The PowerEdge R710 supports x16 cards that meet the following requirements:
• Standard height (4.376")
• Maximum length of 9.5" (Half-length cards are 6.6"; Full-length cards are 12.283")
• x16 cards can only plug into the optional PowerEdge R710 x16 left riser
• Support for full bandwidth of x16 Gen2 link
• No support for hot-plug or hot-removal
• Maximum power of 25W
• The PowerEdge R710 provides +12V, +3.3V, and +3.3Vaux in accordance with Power Supply Rail
Requirements (Table 4-1 of PCIe Card Electromechanical Spec, Rev 2.0)
• The PowerEdge R710 x16 slot is not compliant with the PCI Express x16 Graphics
150W-ATX Specification
• x16 cards must be compliant with the PCI Express Card Electromechanical Specification Rev 2.0
• x16 cards must only occupy the space of one slot. Cards that occupy the space of two slots are
not supported
• The x16 card is limited to 25W initial start-up power until it is configured as a high-power
device. If no value is set for the Slot Power Limit, the card is limited to 25W. The card must then
either scale down to 25W or disable operation per PCI Express Base Spec Rev 2.0
• The x16 card must be able to support a maximum operating temperature of 55°C as defined in
the Dell PCI Environmental Spec and the PCI Express Card Electromechanical Spec. The
PowerEdge R710 provides a minimum transverse air velocity of 100 LFM (linear feet per minute)
to the x16 card.
i.dell.com/sites/csdocuments/Business_solutions_engineering-Docs_Documents/en/poweredge-r710-technical-guidebook.pdf
I think it's a lot easier to modify the riser board or buy one of my pre-modified ones. There's not a lot of room in a 2U rack mount chassis to otherwise mount the GPU in some other location.
Thanks for sharing the video. I have an r730xd and would like to add Quadro k4200 to pass through to a MacOS Big Sur vm. seems I need a pcie power cable to support the power consumption of the GPU. Can you recommend what pcie power cable(parts number) i shall be getting? Do you sell any of these?
Let’s say your application needed to draw 75 watts of power. How would you go about doing this
At this point in time, I think it would be worthwhile to get a more modern server which has accommodations for adding GPUs and PCIe power connections.
@@ArtofServer Oh. I have these thing laying around so it got me thinking
Hard part to find now, would've liked to have added one to my Plex server. Price has tripled on these.
More than tripled! Yes, they are hard to find now.... :-(
Hi - A totally off topic question....is there anyway to add additional SATA power cables to the rear of an r720? Theres a spare sata port on board - i thought that would be a good place to add a generic sata ssd for proxmox booting? Ive seen a video (not sure if it was you) of someone adding additional power for a gpu by soldering straight off the back of the hot plug PSU rails. Cheers.
there's always a way... but i would suggest a PCIe card with a SATA port instead... get the power from the PCIe slot, while the data connection will be to the SATA port onboard the m/b. they have such cards with both a NVMe M.2 + SATA M.2 slot and you can use both at the same time.
@@ArtofServer Not sure what you mean....ive actually got a spare generic quad port sata card (Startech i think) but it only has 4 ports (ie theres no power) - i also bought a generic 2port nvme pcie board and stuck 2 128gb nvme cards on there but the server doesnt see that atall...(thanks very much for the reply though)!
@@ArtofServer I Found a way....just for anyone else that has an issue with power....behnd the main fan row there are a couple of power headers to the backplain....grey is 3v, black is earth and yellow is the 12v line. Ive tapped on sata off one of those which has worked. Ill take another feed off the other power cable to the back plain to keep it even. Cheers.
Thanks for sharing your tip!
@@ArtofServer No Prob - just to elaborate a little bit more the other backplane cable i converted today - i had a spare modular ITX PSU cable which i cut the cable off (PSU side) and then wired that in giving me 4 standard molex's.
Thanks for this series!! Planning to order a riser soon from you, any thoughts on an inexpensive graphics upgrade for the r710? Trying to find single slot x16 cards that would easily work in s12r2 hyper-v environment. Cheers!!
Yeah, it's a little harder to find a single slot "gaming" card... but there are plenty of such options with the workstation GPUs. thanks for watching!! :-)
Is doing this mod really worth it to put a gpu in the r710? I would be using for plex transcoding.
For PLEX transcoding: definitely. CPU transcoding will cost you 10x more power consumption.
@@ArtofServer what low cost gpu would you recommend?
@@smarticleco7806 For PLEX, the lowest cost GPU with HEVC codec is Quadro P400 I believe. It's also very low power, but it has artificial limitation of number of NVDEC sessions. The Quadro P2000 does not have that artificial limitation.
@@ArtofServer thanks ill look into that
Thank you for the video, is there any way to put 4 Nvidia Tesla T4 (PG183) in the Dell PowerEdge R710 ?
I don't know.
Does the pci 16 slot make any performance difference between just doing the Dremel trick on the x8 pci slot? Cheers thanks for sharing this. From another cat lover 😻
I'm not 100% sure, but my guess would be that there's no performance difference.
The difference between 8 lanes Vs 16 is well known to be SFA. Just mod the slot with hot iron (Safer than a dremel). Now you still have other slot for cards or HBA's.
Thanks for the video. Should anything change on the BIOS setup? How do you get the system to use the new Graphic cards as opposed to the onboard one?
The intent here is to use the GPU for GPGPU applications, like video transcoding in PLEX, or perhaps to passthrough to a virtual machine. I don't know of a way to have the Dell server use a add-in PCIe graphics card for console output.
@@ArtofServer I have a similar question, so I'll piggyback on this comment. I'm actually using an R720, but the same concept applies. It IS possible to use a GPU for video output from the server, but you lose console video view for the iDRAC and the ability to access the BIOS. After lots of Googling and experimentation, I can confirm this; the way to make it work is to install the GPU, open the BIOS settings --> Integrated Devices, and disable integrated video. Afterwards if you need to restore iDRAC console remote video and access to the BIOS, disconnect the GPU and reboot. An important note, there is NO way to access BIOS settings (from everything I've tried and read) while the onboard video is disabled.
However, my questions is slightly different. Related to this video, I have a spare GTX 1050 that conveniently doesn't need external power that I'd like to use just for transcoding. I've noticed without doing the above trick to use the GPU for video output, Linux Ubuntu 18.04 doesn't list the GPU as a video output option. I don't actually need to use it for video output since I just want to use it for compute, so how can I confirm Linux is seeing the GPU and will allow Plex to use it for transcoding?
Do you have to disable the onboard video card in order to enable the PCI-e video card. I have installed a VisionTek 5450 to use as a server monitor using a Samsung TV, but the HDMI port shows as unconnected.
my guess would be yes, but i honestly don't know. i only use the GPU for nvenc acceleration, not as an actual GPU.
have you tried that video card in another machine just to verify it works?
@@ArtofServer I have not tried it in another server, my only other machine is a laptop
If I disable on board video in the bios and the card still does not work, by resetting the nvram jumper will would that reenable the onboard video? excellent video series by the way.
Did u encounter membist error on ur r710? I upgraded my cpu and bios diabled my ram slot A3/A6.
No, I have not. Not familiar with that error. Sorry...
Do you have any more?
If you are asking about the x16 riser board, no they are no longer available. I am selling modified x8x8 riser boards that can allow GPU installation.
@@ArtofServer Modified?
see this th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
Would there be any performance impact if you notched one of the x8 ports as you mentioned on the riser card? compared to just using the 16x riser? I was wanting to install an amd fire pro s9100 or s9150 and tapping a power connector on the PSU header.
Depends on your use case. PCIe 2.0 x8 gives you about 4GB/sec max. So if your use case requires more bandwidth than that, then there might be a bottleneck. For the video transcoding use case, I don't think it matters.
@Art of Server I have a Quadro P2000 card, and I'm not able to get any PCI x16 riser on the market, if I buy the modified x8 PCI one does it work with that GPU? I will experience any bottleneck or performance issue?
Hi, I am very beginner
I have an inquiry if I purchase a server to support my main computer
Do I install programs that require a lot of effort on the server system, or do I install them on my main device
In other words, can you take advantage of the power of the server processor on the programs on the primary computer?
That's a question that has a complicated answer. You might want to research client/server computing architectures and also distributed computing as well. The industry has shifted back and forth over the decades between client-side vs server-side and central vs distributed computing. As hardware capabilities evolve asymmetrically, the way software uses those compute resources change over time too...
I have a PowerEdge R510 and wanted to know if the riser board you are using will work on my server? I did some research and found that Dell did sell a Riser 2 PCI-e x16 for the R510 but I cannot find it anywhere. I stumbled upon your video when researching and I've been wanting to use the P2000 GPU. I would truly appreciate any response to this. Thank you and great videos I am glad I subscribed to your channel.
I don't know if the R710 x16 riser works in the R510. yes, these x16 risers for the 11th gen Dell servers are getting harder to find.
@@ArtofServer Editing my comment as the GP347 part for the R710 will not work for the R510. For anyone else who might want to try this and has the R510. I found the part which was shown a "Riser 2 (for GPGPU ONLY): One PCIe slot (x16 bandwidth and slot)" The part is Y907R - PWA,RSR,SV,DELL,R510,PCIE,2U,2 - Dell PowerEdge R510 2x (1x+1
internal slot) PCIe Riser Option for GP/GPU support (Riser 2) They are not as easily found and did not see any listed on eBay. I will attempt to get it from a server store which was the only one I found that carried it. If anything else I can try the P2000 GPU and see if it works.
@@popsgoldenheart7290 thanks for sharing the details!
@@ArtofServer Hey sorry for all the messages, last thing for sanity check. I saw the p2000 GPU required 75 watts to operate and these servers I believe offer 25 to 30 watts. Do you have to use an external power source or connect to the power supply to get this to work?
Hi, what’s the difference between exotic part GP347 and CPVNF that seems to be everywhere?
They are totally different parts?
Any idea on how to make the server output the display signal through the gpu?
sorry, no...
I would like to add a GPU to my R710 for video encoding on a jellyfin (similar to PLEX) server. But I'm on a tighter budget than this graphics card allows. What are some less expensive options that may work for my use case?
Quadro P400, maybe 1050Ti? I'm sure there are many options... but you didn't mention what requirements you have....
Hey art,
Great content as always. Do you know if there’s anyway I can get a p2000 to work inside a dell R620? The dell R620 is a 1u server and only has half height PCI slots. I have a supermicro 846 DAS attached to the R620 and would like to add the p2000 for better performance. I am thinking I could maybe place the p2000 inside the supermicro if necessary. Any ideas on what parts I would need to make this work?
if you only have half height PCIe slots, I don't think the P2000 is a good option. I mean, anything is possible if you want to fabricate stuff and for example, run a PCIe ribbon cable to some other location to mount the GPU. But, that's a whole lot of trouble for not a lot of gain if there are easier options...
And speaking of other options, I would say look at the Quadro P400. It has the 2 nvenc streams limit in the nvidia driver, but there's a way to workaround it, and even if you didn't, it might be enough depending on your use. I'll probably put out some videos about this too in the near future.
Thx for the video, btw could you install a quadro k6000 in a t710?
Don't know the answer, but thanks for watching!
great video! do you have any idea if there are any x16 riserboards for the R610?
Sorry, no idea... I do have an R610 around here somewhere from a DC pull. At some point, I'll get around to making videos about the R610 and then I'll be able to answer your question on it. There's always the option of modding the existing riser to accept x16 cards, like I showed here: th-cam.com/video/sSXA7CBLMCE/w-d-xo.html
If I install windows 10 on the r710 will it see the video card?
Not sure what your question is getting at. You will not be able to use the video card for console output, that will still go out the onboard VGA. If Windows has the driver for the GPU, it will see the GPU and can use it once the OS is booted up.
you would do the same thing for the riser 1 slot correct? If i wanted to add 2 GPUs
unfortunately, i don't think you can fit that riser board into riser 1.
Hi, you used a h200 raid card to use this video card. Will a H700 work as well?
Depends on what type of storage controller you want. I used a H200 with LSI IT mode firmware because I was planning using ZFS. If you want RAID, then H700 is the right choice.
Thanks.
So I purchased an R710 with 128GB of ram. a crazy amount of ram... but this unit has the 2.5" SAS drives backplane. Trying to find NAS drives that are 2.5" I am finding a limit of 2TB on WD reds. do you know of any larger drives in the 2.5" format that would work well in this environment, for a ZFS build?? my fear with using laptop drives is, I have read that a lot of times they can not be used in arrays or NAS environment or will fail quicker.
Hmmm... there are 2.5" HDDs that are larger, but not "work well in this environment" ... most larger mechanical drives in 2.5" format are SMR drives and they are not great for things other than archiving data (write once, read many). Also, SMR drives don't seem to survive as long. You can find SSDs that are larger, but they are going to be a lot more expensive. So, unfortunately, I don't have great idea for you. Maybe someone else watching this might have some ideas?
Art of Server heard and tanks so much for the reply. What do you think will be the probability of success in ordering a bare LFF and transferring ram/cpus and other stuff to a LFF from my current SFF? Even if I loose two drives I can get larger NAS drives for the space needed.
The SFF I have is fully functioning unit, just want the larger drives, and the ram for virtualization.
@@PaulBearer2 Sure, both SFF and LFF R710 basically share the same motherboard so the CPU, RAM, PCIe cards should transfer easily.
you could always add an external port hba or raid card and store your drives of any size in another case. they call this a DAS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-attached_storage
Would this be the same for the r720xd?
A p2000 woks great on a r720xd I have one of these with UnRaid 👍
Hello. Do you sell any graphic card or adapter that can work with the POwerdge r710 ? Also, which card can I use Thanks
I sell the riser for the R710 that allows GPU to installed. See video description for link.
Easiest GPU are those that do not require external power. Success reported with P2000, P2200, and P400.
@@ArtofServer Thabk you, can you send me the link so I can purchase it? Thanks
@@vascovalente3929 link is in the video description.
Great Video. I thought you were going to make another video to show us how the P2000 get configured in PLEX?
Yes, coming soon...
when will you get more of the 16 pcie cards
See my pinned comment.
So? Did it work? My R710 PCIE x16 slot doesn't deliver full PCI-E spec current, so I had to go with a GTX710 (which limits to 2 transcode streams :( )
Yes, the Quadro p2000 works.... Upcoming video will demonstrate it
@@ArtofServer - Excellent :-)
thats a really expensive card... just looked on ebay and £200-£400. Just wondering who would need a card that can do 10+ streams at 4k. i just got a supermicro server as i was only interested in the 32tb of hdd that came with it. So just seeing what I can do with it in a home / very small business enviroment. When I first turned it on I was shocked by the fan as my current i7 makes no noise. That was like a jumbo jet spinning up.
Already installed geforce 1060 to my Dell r910 and now thinking about change it to 1660 and add quadro p2000. P2000 is half size?
it's full profile, and about the same length as many other GPUs, but it is single slotted, so the heatsink/cooler doesn't extend into the neighboring PCIe slot like on many modern gaming GPUs.
thanks ,your reading my mine
IIRC Dell specifies a maxmimum powerdraw of 25W for PCIE peripherals. Also, the 870W PSU is needed otherwise the system down clocks the processor and RAM.
Thanks for the video.
Yes, i saw that 25W information too. But I don't think it is correct with this riser as i'm pretty sure this GPU will draw more than 25W. Maybe because the 2 x8 PCIe slots are combined, for this riser the limit might be higher.
@@ArtofServer But in the line PCIe x16 in ATX conformed don't need 150W?
@@RobertoMarengo73 not always the case... a lot of low power systems often limit the power available on the PCIe slot.
@@ArtofServer Perfect, i want to add gpu on my r710, but i missing PCIe x16 Riser Card Board GP347 0GP347, you have other riser?
@@RobertoMarengo73 yes, i sell them in my eBay store. link in description.
What is the tool used to open the package?
It's a label peeler tool I use for peeling labels off packages, and sometimes to remove stickers or scraping.
For future reference: Scotty Peeler SPN-2 www.scottypeeler.com/product.html
Any update on progress?
I'm guessing you're asking about part 5? If so, it's still work in progress. I ran into a few things that don't work as expected, and I want to make sure I share accurate information. That, and dealing with some other unrelated server issues. Appreciate the patience! :-)
what about external GPU that's bigger?
After 6 months of searching just came across your video. I own a DELL R720 service tag 7RLVGX1 with upgraded power source and i do not manage to instal a EVGA GeForce GTX 1070ti GPU. I want to use this beefed server ( have 16 hard disks 10.000 rpm and with 128 RAM ) for editingm cutting and color grading 4k video footage. I want a good GPU card that has 4 outputs ( or at least 3 of them ) and there is little to no informations abiut what GPU powerfull cards are compatible. Could you pls help and let me know if you have an PayPal account to compensate for your time. Best regards
I think you should find out what GPU is best for the software you are using. I think each piece of software will have different optimal choices.
would this work for 720?
No, this riser is not for R720. But you can install GPU in R720 without it.
@@ArtofServer oh cool nice to know thanks :)
I have a r710 wirh X5675 x 2 and 144GB of RAM, 6 sata hd for a total the 10TB and H700. In the riser i add a sound card and 4 port usb3. The sound card i dont't work for now.
I buy from you the riser PCIe x16. i can add quadro P2000 for game and top performance wirth photoshop? The power of the riser PCIe don't create problem with all hardware installed in the riser? Thank you.
that riser board is 200 dollars on ebay
i was selling it for a fraction of that, but I can no longer source them! :-( sorry...
Dell r710's are cheap! Just Dremel the sh*t out of the case cover and make the F'n double slot GPU card work... ;-)