Why the Voltron Fandom was TOXIC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- We know that fandom culture can be bad sometimes. But what about the worst of times? Voltron: Legendary Defenders was one of Netflix's greatest animated series, until it wasn't. And the reason it went downhill so fast isn't a mystery. And for once, we can't pin the blame on the studio execs or the writers.
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Remember that one episode where everyone thought Alura was gonna be the white lion paladin only for there to be no white lion mech
It still should’ve happened…
Then again, Shiro’s “death” and getting booted from being black paladin was utter bullshit. Aaaas was the random clone murder to bring him back
Unless you count that white mech from season 7-8
@@spacecat8511 I still can't believe they threw out their show plans as early as season 2! They had to know that was gonna end in failure 😭
The shipping was crazy
Shipping seems to be the downfall of a good show. I don’t mind shipping as long as it make sense, but don’t try to act like your word is law. I mean look at genshin impact
No the shipping was mad… no, even better it was insane, “like what the 🤬 is wrong with you, are you okay?” levels of insane
Ok so I knew I wasn't the only person who knew the fandom was gonna fall the second someone started the lortor x pidge thing
@@Tiredarsonist of course somebody did that and then someone else made it in the “common” consensus
@@Tiredarsonist the hell? Seriously?
And this is why I didnt associate with this. I kept to myself and loved Voltron for how it is anyways.
So true
I started watching it because I knew the fandom was toxic, so started wondering what would the fandom be crying about, then watched the end thought "Yeah, that has to be their problem". If only.
At the time I was still underestimating the shipper/Tumblr stupidity.
Exactly! Love the show for what it is w/o fandom toxicity. That's how I went into it. Does it have flaws? Yeah. But I still love it regardless.
@@orphancripler I was on Tumblr at that time, a lot of the fandom's major complaints were literally just "my ship wasn't canon >:-("
This reminds me of the MHA fandom where they shipped two characters and people suddenly believed it had to be canon, going as far as threatening the creator themselves.
I was only ever on the sidelines, did people ACTUALLY think bakudeku or tododeku was gonna happen?
The thing is, if we're talking about the "BakuDekus threatened Horikoshi" allegations, that was never proven and, if i'm remembering correctly, even the person who first 'reported' it came out and said that they made the rumor up.
Have i seen people threaten Horikoshi? I have, and it was mainly anime bros either trolling or being homophobic.
Why can't shipping just be for fun? That's what I do shipping for. Write fanfics, draw cute fan art, not send death threats to the author because it didn't cone true!
@@abrawolfI shipped Tododeku. I knew it wasn't going to happen (mostly because Japan and Shounen Jump doesn't like the gays) but I thought it was cute and had a lot of drama potentional.
Sometimes people ship characters for the fun interactions, not because we think it will become canon
@@PaintSplashProductions I'm well aware, I'm just surprised that people took shipping that far
Had they not come out and blatantly said that there would be LGBT representation in Voltron, I think marrying Shiro to some random ass guy at the end of the show would have felt like a random decision and not the gut punch it was.
Yes. Plus they did say that there would be rep. And people assumes that it will be for example Keith and Lance, because of the animation style and some parts of they personalities. And fine. But canonically they relationship was always ambiguous.
And that was a last minute choice to marry Shiro off to some random. There was even a drama about illegal leeks about Shiro's ending. And he was ment to marry some other character.
@@GabeKis-fz8tn if they wanted their gay representation, they could have used Veraxca! They didn't set up their relationship with poor communication and write one of them off for half the show, but still try to tell people to ship them!
That's my biggest thing with Klance, Adashi, and Shirtus is that we as the audience don't get to draw our conclusions about the characters or watch them grow together, we're just told to like them.
One thing I have to disagree is needing representation for your show to succeed. You don't need it.
A good chunk of the most well known, liked and talked about cartoons, shows, Anime, etc have no representation and managed to succeed and still stand the test of time very well.
I dunno if the showrunners really made promises to include representation or not, but one thing I noticed from this Fandom and that it is also noticeable in other fandoms, shippers tend to be extremely toxic.
I was on Tumblr when this fandom was big, and from my experience a lot of people were using "representation" as an excuse to harass the creators to make their ships canon.
This. I was obsessive over the 1984 VFOTU as a kid and still watch it now as “comfort viewing”. Just tell a good story and respect the source material. That is all
All that is true, that's exactly what became toxic and unknown to me I was just those half of the fandom that rather watch the show when it comes out and marathon it with our bff's. And who hasn't done that.
I haven’t yet had the opportunity to do that which I have, buuut…
I watched this show completely ignoring the fandom, then when i was done I found the fandom and most of people's complaints about the show have nothing to do with the show itself. its the fandom.
Same, I just love sci-fi, neat characters and big mechs. VLD gave me that
they are always complaining, as well with the stupid ship of klance, I hate it, I always will love allurance, it's the best ship of the whole serie
The fandom is the second reason I've avoided watching this show.
What is the first reason mate?
You can't just leave us hanging like this bro 😭
what has the fandom to do with you watching the show lol
I did the same for a while, then gave in. The show is pretty good. I was expecting a breezy, surface lv kids show but it turned out way more mature.
Kinda surprise that ATLA could survive this long enough without representation
Probably because it's heavily influenced by east Asian cultures.
Remember according to Twitter (X) your series us only racist if it's based on western culture and has more white and straight characters then black and whatever acronyms they are using to represent gay today.
Reminds me of the Shipping wars in Fairytail, FT fans took it far enough to bully and make death threats toward other fans because they shipped characters, it caused so many to no longer enjoy the show because shippers in general can be bitter. I don't think having representation is a solution, because Dreamworks were never at all at fault, the Voltron Shippers were so spiteful that they intimidated voice actors from showing up to cons. Its the fault of Entitled nerds whose head canons were invalidated so they decided to throw tantrums like children and target whoever they can find because they either forgot or never learned basic etiquette and common sense and thats on them if they want to be this way about a show thats intended for children which is Ironic. bitterness and toxicity comes with shippers, Bleach had a explosive issue with shippers for example. I'm not suprised when I get into a new fandom and when the shippers touch it, they either make the fandom toxic or fortunately become a side of a community no one cares about and everyone ignores or laugh at. Shippers are a joke.
I agree lile I maybe a shipper but I would never go far as to threaten creators to make it happen plus those entitle shippers gives us good shippers a bad name and bad experience
The funny thing is about people blaming Dreamworks is that Dreamworks came out after the Adam controversy to state that they knew killing off Adam would be a bad look. They wanted Adam to stay and be a character but the writers said no.
And considering the other shows Dreamworks make like She-Ra being very pro LGBT+, people blaming Dreamworks were so wrong
@@PaintSplashProductions a lot of the show's issues can probably be blamed on the writers. They threw out their "show bible" (basically all the planning) at the end of season 2 and made things up from there, and sometimes it's _very_ obvious.
I really wish people would stop this
there should have been no reason for shipping there should have been a happy ending to Voltron Legendary defender 😂 Nice video keep it coming
okay, honestly, as a relatively new Voltron fan, the fandom isn’t all toxic. when I’m obsessed with shows, obviously I’ll do a deep dive on everything I can. I’ve found that a lot of the fandom isn’t that weird with ships and stuff, but the ones who are a LOT louder. i also keep watching knowing klance isn’t canon, and I don’t really think it’s that big of a deal. I love their relationship, and would ADORE if it was canon, but it’s not. live your wishes though fanfics r smth guys
in conclusion, I just ignore the toxic parts of fandoms I choose to be in, and I love voltron no matter what (thx for listening pookies)🤞🤞
If you want to see a real mind f**k, watch the original ORIGINAL version of Voltron, Beast King Golion
For real. This was like the whole starco fiasco.
That fandom is the reason why I stopped shipping characters together.
I absolutely loved Legendary Defender as someone who grew up with Voltron.
But the fandom are some of the most insufferable people imaginable.
I watched the show but I stayed clear from the fandom. I talked it about with some friends. I still remember when the show ended and oh my god Tumblr had a HUGE meltdown. I was there while it happened. The fandom calmed down like several months or one year later. I feel sorry for the people who worked on the show and the voice actors. The Genshin Impact fandom is far more toxic than Voltron IMO.
If there is actually someone out there who honestly believes Keith didn't have a satisfying, logical and deserved character arc because you're holding out for a klance ship that ultimately makes no sense and would have sidetracked the story, you're missing the whole point.
I agree with you, klance is a shit
The fact this was in my recommended on my birthday is the best thing of my life.
I only got through 5 seasons of voltron because of the coulours and sounds that distracted me from the pain of my nerve rotting
This is why I enjoy what I want without engaging with others to discuss it.
This is what’s happening with mha fandom right now there not one gay person or representation in the show so the fandom goes overboard with ships and in return the fandom is toxic which make people not like mha and not want to watch it 💀
It also got tiring seeing how many people, well I guess this might tie into the “telephone games”, would claim that so and so animator/producer/voice actor/etc outright states that xyz ship was originally going to be endgame, but the thing is, it literally seems like this was said about most ships in the fandom (ie klance, sheith, kallura, shallura, kacxa, allurance, lotura,etc) and I know the show was in production hell but c’mon. Leads me to think shippers just talk and say whatever to get likes and notes for attention, especially after the obnoxious entitled behaviors of one of these groups tainted the show and overall fandom experience, leaving others to resort to being just as petty back. At this point, the “what could have been” claims ultimately do not matter and don’t count, because a) some were not explicitly shown within the show itself and left to MULTIPLE interpretations and b) if more than one of these ships were considered at one point, and they share the same characters (ie klance/sheith vs kacxa/kallura sharing Keith, allurance vs kallura/shallura sharing allura, allurance vs plance/lotura sharing allura and lance,etc) then all that really “proves” is that the writers had many ideas on the table so it seems they gave little nuggets to everybody to interpret as they please and allurance got the big one because Lance already had an established crush on Allura, but I, like many also believe that it could have been handled much better and Allura should have lived. I was much too invested in the story and enjoying these characters to obsess over potential romance between them and watched from the sidelines as a multishipper for lack of a better word. Plus, many also seem to weaponize these “what ifs” only when it comes to ship wars rather than for actual plot points, like character deaths for instance. If you’re going to say a specific ship is “canon” just because the writers considered it at one point, then you also need to acknowledge that a character is technically dead “canonically” because the writers considered killing them off at one point but ultimately didn’t (and no I am not referring to Shiro bc he actually did come back, I am referring to other characters with supposedly rumored deaths for them being “originally” considered but not followed through). It’s all too ridiculous at this point; multiple realities exist in this show, so let your imagination thrive in your desired reality and mind your own damn business while others enjoy theirs.
I finished to watch it yesterday, and I wasn't aware of the whole drama, I didn't expect nothing exceptional (since it's a show about a megazord made by lions 😅) and I was surprised that I was so engaged by it, if you took for what it is, is a good enjoyable show, but after hearing what the marketing was I kinda understand the whole drama, but I still think it's too much hate, imho 🤷🏻♀️
I mean the staff kinda gay baited if I remember well
Kinda? It was confirmed, Keith and lance to be Canon but due to death threats from people, in season eight they scrapped the whole thing and even got new directors
that’s actually not true at all the creators stated early on that they never intended on klance being canon
@@brairbeauty7664 so they did baited, cause their was a lot of tension of rhe romsntic variety
@@adolfocoy7516 Im sorry but they didn’t queerbait y’all with klance. There honestly wasn’t any romantic tension between the two, in fact the whole reason i started watching voltron was because of klance just to be confused on what everyone was talking about. I honestly do not see the “tension” klance shippers were talking about & i’ve rewatched the series 4 times.
@@adolfocoy7516 A fan actually interviewed Lauren & she stated & i quote “I think we had a very natural arc in mind for those two. Which is, they start out at odds, but then they grow to kind of respect each other. And if that leads into people being like-they’re spending time together! Then that’s a ‘thing,’ but…We’re not trying to cater to or bait anyone into anything, we’re just trying to do what’s right for the story.”
*cries in MHA*
i honestly dont even blame the fandom. the producers didnt have a direction when they STARTED the show, they didnt have a direction DURING the show. they made so many empty promises and goaded fans on. the toxicity didnt start until the fandom realized they were being lead on. obviously it went WAY too far, and sending literal death threats is never ever ever okay. but if the producers werent stoking that fire and building up excitement it just would never have gone down that way. everyone was excited to have a well thought out queer relationship, or transgender representation (which the whole foundation was literally set up for pidge to be trans? like all of the fellow voltron fans i knew at the time just assumed she was either trans or nonbinary, ESPECIALLY with having a nonbinary VA…) like it was so weird.
AND ANOTHER THING!! (also i do agree with the video!! the fandom was SUPER toxic, this us in no way disagreeing with the content this short covers, but adding on!) the fact that they BLATANTLY said shiro was gay and had a boyfriend off-screen, but had the on-screen “reveal” be so………. i mean, yall know how it went. i think that really gave fans the greenlight to say “yeah no it was never explicitly stated in the show, but neither was shiro and adam’s relationship and they were together!!” which is also 100% on the showrunners
I think something also important to note for voltron becoming a toxic fandom. It was The Big Fandom just as anti/proship started to become a thing, that's why Shiro's va was harassed for liking sheith. and also while there was def misinfo going around, netflix and crew did do some queer baiting marketing when it came to Shiro. A banner with his silhouette around a rainbow pops to mind ik there was more but its been years. Also the flashback scene between him and his fiance had been leaked at some point with different dialogue then what was released which didn't help with expectations on how rep would be handled
Klance should be Canon
Lance and Alora does not work at all . season seven and eight make no sense.
I love voltron so much but something that is very icky about the fandom is that there was this weird fascination with turning one of the characters into a baby... but keeping the ships
I’m still in the fandom, one of the last non toxics. I don’t ship anyone, I just enjoy the show. I’ve made my own crossover with Wings of Fire but I don’t like the people who attack the others for their own opinions about things. Like Klance, not that big of a fan but it’s what ever floats your boat really.
The Voltron fandom was just me and my friend. And I guess the walmart that sold me the toys
When i first watched it as soon as i saw keith and Lance, i just went, "Yeah, they are totally gonna date." Then they dont, im fine with it, a bit mad, but fine. Then i checked out fandom and screamed, "Holy shi-,"
Im fine with the realashonships we got, but i would have preferred different ships like klance, shatt/miro, Katt (i think that's the ship name, its keith, and Matt), and veronica x acxa. I didn't get why ANY of those happened. sure, they can't make them all (obviously), but at least one would be nice.
Like i said, im fine with what we got though.
I mean technically we DID get a gay character, Shiro literally had a gay wedding scene at the end of the last ep, plus he lived with adam, who we can rightfully assume was at the very least his boyfriend
Am I the only one who started watching the show because they heard about a ship tho 😅
I literally started watching it to see what all the arguing was about 😂
In short, it was toxic because Shiro was gay with the 'wrong person'
Showrunners shouldnt promise lgbtq+ rep unless they know 100% that they are good to go through with it. As in, the episodes that have the rep better be at least be 75% through the animation portion of production before revealing that info. We all know executives are very flakey with different aspects of shows so promising something that you don’t know for certain can lead to an even greater falling (although i heard that dreamworks did say that they were ok with queer characters but i didnt fact check this so take this with a grain of salt)
If fans make shit up about a show and their head cannon doesn't actually happen its not the show's fault.
Can you make a Generator Rex video or Ben 10
Question: which FNDM is more toxic
Voltron or RWBY
The only thing I didn’t like about the show was the green pilot turning out to be a girl
I liked Pidge the whole time because he was different for a boy but then “BOOM! She was a girl this whole time!” And I mean it’s O K A Y I guess but still .3.;
Well yes the fandom is toxic but they also didn’t technically lie, there is shiro who is gay but as far as I know, no trans people were brought into it. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist, in real life most of the time you can’t tell someone is trans unless they are vocal about it. But yes also reason why I don’t look too much into the fandoms, I just watch it myself and enjoy it alone.
Wait it’s a toxic community since when
Wtf is coded short coded what is that
so it's "have representation or else"
i was young when i watched now i cant rewatch
Some character ships are cute. I won't deny. But people need to CHILL out when it comes to them being canon. Stuff doesnt need to always be canon.
I think the show was honestly really good but the religious shippers were the downfall of the fandom. I’ve heard death threats were sent to people and honestly I could see that being true.
i think its because the toxic people wanted everything or atleast most of the characters gay or lesbian
Geez, honestly things don’t need ‘representation’ just let the writers make the material, Fans should act like audience in sports games, in the sidelines and not forcing themselves onto the field to hit a player
Wait they are toxic? I NEVER interacted with the fandom. Never have and likely never will mostly because Voltron is one of the few shows I love but have no inclination to talk about it that much.
Why the need to make it a big deal? Series and stories are either well done or poorly executed. No matter the characters gender identity or sexual preference. I mean, not like people were analyzing Inspector Gadget’s identity or preferences back in the 80’s.
No one needs stupid things inserted into good shows. The show is better without the nonsense.
The telephone happened with the plot too, there was a lot of factors tumblr was getting too comfortable being toxic with their anon messaging/ the advertisment, trailers and twitter of the Voltron crew said one thing butvwatching the season was disappointing. Fandom did magnify and wrote things better so seeing voltron after was meh.
But plot was also a telephone game, compared to pidge and how her story developed and then compared to the other characters? When jeremy said “Lance straight up dies.” We wern’t exlecting it to be so meh, the trailers said keith was going to be black paladin but watching the series? Keith was never with voltron season 4-7 and even 7/8 dont count as they got to earth and were focusing on defense than anything else but keith kinda floated around. They brought back zarkon but it wasn’t really noticable, we thought Lance would use his altean sword, shiro didnt get closure with keith killing sendek and not him, keith had his story just shown to him via a space comet where he and his mother shared memories and it also ‘conviently’ told him shiro was a clone. We wanted to see Lance realise that. Overall comparing pidge and how her development happened how she had more flashbacks/character development family stuff and a goal outside of voltron it felt like the rest were side characters to her show. I know people enjoy voltrin so I think maybe the adverts/ twitter posts probably create a different expectation esp since new fans say they dont see a problem with voltron, but personally I think after s1/2 the writing went downhill compared to them it had weight it mattered it came up and would be explained meanwhile the rest of the seasons it felt like things were just forgotten. Why did shiro have a flashback of a friend of the garrison only to go home and stare at the obituary name of adam sadly then forget about it after? Like what was the point of that? Without romance/lgbt like why introduce a character and kill him? Years later I’m still confused on what the story of voltron was so supposed to be?
Shingeki no fujoshi
Legit just like the rwby fandom dam
agree, honestly, people should stop assuming there will always be a gay character or queer on everything
But yes, i think modern shows should not put any romantic scenes anymore since those seems controversial.
Bro, I am not straight so no one should think i am homophobic
Look Voltron fandom was toxic before 95% of the people watching this video were even born honestly there was a huge split between Voltron Lion and Voltron car people I mean I was like 9 years old when Voltron was on TV and even at that young of age there were people that we shunned because they we're team car. And I'm 9. And they didn't talk to us either cuz we were team lying so any toxicity that shows up 20 25 years later 30 years later is not surprising in the least
So it got woke?
"Representation is important"
If you need to feel represented in a piece of entertainment to enjoy it, only to be disappointed, it's not the entertainment that's at fault.
Representation is the stupidest need.
Same for Nu-Ra
Shera had a main queer relationship
@@andrecarpenter2432
So?
Watching SPoP and VLD was…something else. They quite literally shared so many of the exact same tropes, but in a “VLD copied SPoP’s homework and turned it in first.”
Guess which show ages better. Hint: not VLD.
(Also since both were under Dreamworks, and VLD’s EPs both despised Shiro for being a paragon character so wanted to kill him off and only half-heartedly brought in the clone arc (and clone murder to actually bring him back but “out of their way…”) while ALSO wanting to be patted on the back for making Shiro in canonical MLM relationships while ALSO ALSO ignoring Every Single Warning they were given about what they were doing would be a Bury Your Gays… yeahhhh… I wouldn’t be surprised if my Copied Homework crack theory IS actually legit…)
@@spacecat8511
I’m pretty sure Spop came after.
@@carbootstudios2459pretty sure you can copy someones homework and turn it in first
The reason we're toxic was because there was CLEAR chemistry and hints dropped for multiple ships...
And then season 8 rolls around and dreamworks screws it all up. It just flopped after season 3 and 4.
I rewatched it fairly recently and there _really_ weren't any "hints" for most of the ships, especially not in the first few seasons.