In the sims 2 Lilith was also really neglected. She doesn't have any milestone memories with her parents from when she was a kid but Angela has all of them. She definitely had it really rough. I always imagined her as a sweetie with a hard shell too.
Same, and she is going steady with the guy from the Dreamer family (I forgot the name) he has good grades, so I think he would help Lilith with school, I like the couple
@@XimGato This!!! I so agree with you! Lilith wasn't a bad person and in my Sims 2 games, she found her redemption with Dirk Dreamer who supported the good in her. Like @FakeGamerGirl it also blew my mind that two parents will name a newborn baby with an evil name.
My headcanon is that Daniel and Mary-Sue were expecting only Angela to be born, and only planned for her, which is why Lilith got all the hand-me-downs and grew up badly. I also hc Lilith’s original name was “Lily” but she changed it to be more punky.
When you set your game to other languages some of the townies' names change from the English version, and in Spanish their names are actually Ángela and Lili (their surname is Gentil) so that headcanon is almost canon hahaha
Pretty much my headcanon too. And I think maybe their parents kind of use her as a scapegoat for their issues, like "ugh, we wouldn't have so many problems if we only had to care for one kid!" When really they don't want to take a look in the mirror and realize how much is actually their fault and that they've majorly fucked up their kids.
I headcanon Lilith to be the black sheep (like from a narcissist family) and once she is done with school she will go no contact with them I once did a rags to riches challenge with her and she had twins herself and both loved her and eachother, there a little happy goth family now
The only way I accept Lilith's klepto trait by headcanoning that she just wants something that she can really and truly call her own, as she never got something that was truly hers. Like her sister probably got all the new and pretty clothes while she only got the hand-me-downs and the bargain bin stuff, probably got forced into so many activities because her sister liked them while her interests where ignored, and I can totally imagine in highschool almost any boy she was interested in liked her sister better or boys would get close to Lilith only to ask her to 'put in a good word for them' with her sister. And not even her own house is completely hers, she has to share it with her sister. So she just wants something that can be *hers* and hers only, but she can't obtain it for whatever reason, so she decides to steal whatever she wants because she's already second best/the villain in so many people's minds already...
It's gonna sound silly, but bear with me please In Big Mouth, Jessie is a very smart girl but her parents are going through a divorce because her mom found out she was a lesbian and her dad never stopped being a good-for-nothing stoner and that took a really big toll on her mental health. She does steal things that she has the money to buy, but as an outlet for all that stress and not out of necessity - I personally believe the adrenaline of doing something you're not supposed to, plus the accomplishment of getting away with it, are the things that made the habit so appealing. In my head, considering how Lilith seems to be very neglected by her parents in comparison to Angela, that's why her klepto trait makes sense.
They can, have in the past, but they would have to pay for that outside help and it looks like they are trying to save money because they are prepping to go hard on developing Sims 5
Let’s stop pretending that EA is too poor to hire sims builders - yeah they will charge for their services but it will be a drop in the bucket for them, they just don’t want to. “Project Rene” is definitely taking up some of their creative talents now so I’d say it would make more sense to hire some new people to do the builds or even just to give some “sims building” lessons to the people that usually do this.
I feel like Lillith is the kind of person that you get paired up with in a science class and she actively helps you understand the materials and lessons in class better than the teacher and it results in the two of you hanging out on Saturdays at a karaoke bar. Then there’s Angela who’s nice and compliments your art style and offers to hang out with you at home but then when the final project comes, you see that she completely stole your idea and made her final project so similar to yours that your the one in trouble for it and she’ll pull the “Idk what you’re talking about” excuse
Sounds like Olga and Helga from Hey Arnold. Angela was treated like the "golden child" and Lilith was "just there to make the family look perfect". Almost every story has at least one of those households.
I was playing with the Pleasant household in 2 a few weeks ago and literally the first thing the sisters did when I was managing the parents was to start a fight and beat the shit out of each other. Then they did it again. I switched to Lilith to have her go blast metal in her room or sth and she had a string of "Get Poked" interactions from all family members. The DRAMA>
Also, since only now I got to the section discussing the names - idk how many localisations changed the names to match the names of the language it was being localised to, but in my game Lilith was Lillian since Lilith was not a name one could legally give to a child in the Eastern European country I lived in.
I'm currently playing Sims 4 as the Pleasant household from Sims 3 (Angela and Lilith are teens, Daniel and Mary-Sue's marriage is stable for now but could crumble because of his fear of commitment).
My headcanon is that they both are good people... they're just their best version of themselves outside their toxic family dynamics. Angela is an overarchiever who likes to please people because she inherited that trait from her mom and just have a hard time understanding Lilith rebellious nature (in a way, because she is kinda ignorant to the neglect Lilith has suffered) and she believes Lilith makes everything more difficult with her attitude. She tries to fit into their parents idea of what she should do (her studies, her behavior) and, because she hasn't had any troubles trying to achieve that image of perfection, just does not understand why Lilith can't be the same. She's the daughter that Mary Sue always brings to her parties with her fellow politicians, the one that appears with her on the photos and the one Daniel mentions on his interviews when he wants to give an image of family guy. The one that is good at hiding her emotions in order to maintain peace at home and does not want to tackle with how messed her family life is. She excuses her parents "They're trying their best". Outside home, however, she is much more chill and less restrained. She helps Dustin with the house chores while Brandi is busy being chronically depressed. She cooks while he takes care of Beau or helps him clean (that's where her 3 points in cooking come from) or they just chill in Dustin's bedroom while Beau plays with his toys and they listen to music . In my canon she studies a "prestigious career" (like Laws, Politic Science or Biology) and she does not really like the job she ends up having but enjoys the luxuries that provide for her and her family (Dustin and children). Lilith, on the other hand, never understood what their parents wanted of her. She just does not accept orders unless you explain to her why would she had to make said decision. She is a bad student with problems to find motivation and is, mostly, ignored by their teachers who just consider her (like her parents) a lost cause. She was able to see the cracks on Mary Sue and Daniel practically since she was a child, but she does not know how to call their bulls*it because she is a teenager so she acts out. She started to resent her parents (specially her dad, whom he caught having multiple affairs). Her mother just didn't listen to her to avoid the hard truth and took refuge with work. Lilith sees Angela as someone who is just blinding herself to reality and is helping to maintain a fake image. She sees her sister as a two goody shoes who is "just as fake as everyone in this family is". Lilith is a rebel, a snarky girl with a dry humor, but she is not really mean to anyone and most of the time she use snarkiness to criticize her awful family dynamics. You know, the kind of girl who does not play by the image of perfect happy family on family reunions. She is, in my canon, someone with a hidden heart of gold. She smokes, she does graffitis, she may have done some shoplifting on a dare with friends (Angering her parents in the process, who just think on how their public image will be stained) but does not really do something problematic. In my canon she studies Psychology and becomes a teacher after years working in a restaurant. She is a history teacher whose students think of her as cool, and she hides it but she really loves the job. After graduating she just does not have contact with her family and is the best daughter in law to Darren. ...I rambled again didn't I? Sorry for writing a whole saga about two sims.
I LOVE this take. I might want to add that Lilith might be this rebellious bc she wants the attention of her parents and if she doesn´t get it in a positive way (like she never did unlike Angela) then she will get it in a negative way -> teenage rebellion. But I love this take. Angela is a popularity sim bc she´s a people pleaser (or that´s how she was raised) and she might disagree with stuff her parents do but well she wants to keep the "peace" so she says/does nothing. Like you said she can´t understand why Lilith just can´t stay quiet and obey. Lilith is a popularity sim bc she wants to find people who actually like her *cough* found family *cough* (even if you maybe change her aspiration to family it would fit well with her becoming the mother she wished she had). Liliths rebellion is, like I said, bc of wanted attwntion (even if it´s negative) but regarding her sister she on the other hand can´t understand how Angela just stays quiet and seems to have no problem with the mistreatment (although Angela might be concerned for hr sister but again doesn´t know how to stand up bc while babied by her parents she still was taught to obey them to make them happy)
@@ichbinben. That's funny, I hadn't think about it. In my canon Angela is a little smarter than Quinn tho. Lilith eating pizza and drinking soda constantly and not getting fat, just like Daria, is a headcannon now 😂
@@moritzmartini4132 yeah I always wondered why Lilith would have popularity aspirations being a rebel, but you can always argue that, while Angela looks for recognition and, well, popularity, Lilith looks for companionship and connection. I think your way of looking the aspirations it's a beautiful way to look at the aspirations in sims 2 because, with the limitations of its time, some aspirations (like romance, money or popularity) may seem reductive or vapid and some people (like myself in the past) may tend to avoid them. I like to imagine they are friends with each other boyfriends (Angela with Dirk, Lilith with Dustin) not only because they are similar in personalities but because it's a subconscious way of checking on each other and knowing they are with the right person and doing okay.c
15:45 There is a simmer called PleasantSims that made a The Sims 2 inspired save file! And her excuse was that Pleasantview was flooded and that's why they all moved to Willow Creek! I like her headcannon!
My hc is that the sisters... actually go along well and thats why they live together I can see lilith looking at the amount of clothes angela has and goes "ok, you can keep the closet" And in my hc they start a good relationship after angela stated that she wanted to be a painter, their parents would be like "you can't do arts, you are smart, go get a real degree" or something like that and then they decided to move together
@@annacolwell-w6h yeah ngl i'm kind of against the idea of vilifying angela too much. for me she's another child in the equation (of a bad marriage, etc) and whilst lilith would be ignored, angela is at the center of expectations and of "seeming like everything is okay". if that makes sense?
@@MissSun23 yeah, Lilith's issues seem to be more obvious on the surface and I imagine she starts fights with Angela because she's jealous of the praise she gets "for free", I imagine Angela also starts fights with Lilith because she envies her ability to rebel against authority and not care what others think
I never really thought of either Angela or Lilith as the "bad twin". I tried to make them both sucessfull in ts2, ironically I'd also always send them to university, Angela always to Académie Le Tour because it sounded fucking preppy, and I didn't have a preference for Lilith, it was just "wherever Angela isn't". They would never be friends. With the sims 4 and Angela being a painter I like to imagined that the only thing the twins have in common is something artistic, like if Angela is into painting, then maybe Lilith is into music or goth romances.
The Pleasant sisters kind of remind me of the sisters from 10 Things I Hate About You. Kat is viewed as scary and disliked by pretty much everyone so she rolls with it... that's Lilith. Bianca is the sweet girl everyone loves and wants yet in my opinion she just acts like a spoiled brat... Angela.
I literally just played the Pleasant family (Sims 2) for the first time yesterday! ACR saved Daniel and Mary-Sue’s marriage (that’s got to be a brand-new sentence lmao). Angela and Lilith ended up bonding over their love of swimming, and they’re heading to university now with a couple scholarships each.
What?! Angela was an Art major??? I thought she was in Law, that's how I played it. In my Sims 2 saves, Angela liked to pretend she was the hero to Lilith's villain. I also hated how Lil was treated, I had to protect her from that toxic household. Even when the parents divorced, Lilith soded woth the mom while Angela made the whole process about herself. Lilith moved out with Mary-Sue and Angela didnt want to leave their nice house for a smaller place so she stayed with Daniel and his new wife. Then they grew up, Angela married Dustin in an act of rebellion against Daniel and had a baby. Though they were struggling financially. And Lilith was engaged and working her dream job.
I have an idea for a short film ONLY YOU can make. What if, Lilith's botanical experiments with magic ended up with "Mother Plant" disaster in Strangerville!!!!! OMG ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THISSSS! AND PLEASE MAKE THISSSS!!!
All the twin thoughts made me think of dnd characters my friend and I made together that were twins but one was an aasimar and the other was a tiefling. They were so much fun to play!
I also hate that they gave Lilith the Evil trait and the mischief ambition and major. Honestly, I kind of dislike the Evil trait on principle; it gets rid of so much interpretability in favor of just designating a villain. That kind of thing is why I prefer the personality sliders of Sims 2. My personal headcanon about Angela and Lilith is that they are both deeply damaged by their toxic family situation. Lilith's damage is just more obvious. WARNING: LONG. Daniel and Mary-Sue are obsessed with appearances and putting on the image of a perfect family. They aren't really receptive to things that mess with that vision, which is probably why they've stayed together so long despite not really having the best relationship: they _can't_ get a divorce, it would be too damaging for their reputations. Lilith, from the start, didn't fit with their vision as much for whatever reason. Maybe she was more needy as a baby than Angela. Maybe she used the word "no" more as a toddler or asked more annoying questions. Maybe they just didn't like that they had to deal with twins and took out all the negative sentiments, intentionally or unintentionally, on the younger one. Whatever the reason, Lilith ended up as the scapegoat, and the neglect turned into a vicious cycle with Lilith developing, to get into armchair pyschology, a serious case of avoidant attachment. You can see it in her personality points: she started with four nice points _and lost one._ In-game this happens because of the Encourage action, but in-story, with her memory showing she was never taught her toddler skills and the family screenshots showing that she was always kind of shoved aside, it comes across as someone who's been abused and is lashing out. There are some little silver linings to being the scapegoat, though. For one, I'm pretty sure that at this point Lilith has absolutely no veil over her eyes when it comes to her parents' bad traits. She knows exactly how rotten the Pleasant family is at its core and she hates having to paste on a fake smile for the public... which makes the vicious cycle turn ever faster. On the other side, though, Angela's status as the golden child definitely doesn't spare her. Sure, she has good grades and a good reputation, and I would even go so far as to say that she is genuinely, in most cases, a nice person. However, there is a lot of damage under the surface. Angela's bio says that she dreams of being a fishing boat captain. I guarantee that this is not what she tells her parents when they ask what she wants to do with her life. Being the golden child has conditioned Angela to be a people-pleaser, to mold herself into what other people want her to be so that everything will be okay. She performs the image of perfection so thoroughly that she almost believes it. No, Dad definitely isn't cheating on Mom; he'd never do that because this is the Pleasant family and everything has to be perfect. The jury is out on just how much authentic Angela manages to find its way to the surface, and depends very heavily on what her relationship with Dustin is based on. When the twins get out into the real world, it's Angela who is going to have the hardest time, because she's never developed things like healthy boundaries and a solid sense of her own _self._ That's not to say that Lilith is going to be immediately mentally healthy, because she definitely has a lot of self-worth issues of her own to disentangle, but she has at least established an independent identity. Angela is going to have to do a lot of growth very fast. Ultimately, the root cause of the sister's rivalry is how their particular coping strategies and roles in the family dynamic clash. To Angela, Lilith is the one crack in the perfect facade, the one who won't just get in line. If things go badly for her, well, it's kind of her fault; if she could just play by the rules everything would be okay. To Lilith, Angela is either a spineless puppet of her parents or a fellow abuser, and the line is very thin. I could probably go on about this for hours. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
oh i love it! thanks you for giving angela, who is still a child ALSO caught up in the nasty situation, some grace. some people are mean spirited to her.
@@MissSun23 Yeah, when I was a teenager I was definitely in the "Angela bad, Lilith good" camp, but these days I think they're both decent kids born to terrible parents.
I was inspired by all the townhomes before 4 rent and built the pleasants a renovated duplex style townhome bc i imagined angela would be like spoiled but sweet to her parents and say 'im sure Lilith wouldnt want to live with me' and then imply smth abt all the fights they got in in high school and their parents wouldnt want their precious angel hurt so they did that. Of course Angelas side is full of fancy new furniture and professionally painted walls while liliths is all old and she painted the walls black herself. I really enjoyed building it so it was lovely to see fgg liked her reno of it too
I'm definitely going to try entering this new build challenge but I'll probably end up playing the sims 2 instead of getting references 😂. I do think you should give Lilith and Angela the makeovers they deserve
Me and my little brother (I am 20, he is 18 now) had the tendency to fight eachother. Hair pulling, kickin, bitin, etc. Now days we just give eachother the cold shoulder.
In new saves, I frequently cheat relationships between Lilith and Dirk Dreamer as well as Angela and Dustin so that they are at least ex's and know each other.
Brilliant build, but this video also taught me why rotational gameplay was vital in the sims 2. I literally downloaded it yesterday so, woops, gonna keep that in mind
My childhood Sims 2 expierence was "The Sims 2: Strangetown" and "The Sims 2: Castaway" for the Nintendo DS. And while the buildings' situation is more of a TARDIS one and therefore requires a lot of imagination, I might try to build one of them (again).
I've always assumed that every time you start talking about the build again, it's after a break. Where you're kind of on focus, but then it's off the rails a couple minutes later.
5:21 Yeah they completely misunderstood Lilith and Angela. Especially because of the pics showing Lilith being ignored by her parents at the twin’s birthday party and because Angela was dating a criminal who her dad hates.
From what I remember in the Sims 2, the parents doted on Angela and Lilith did not meet any of her "toddler mile stones" based on her memories in game. I always felt bad for her because it seemed she was shoved aside in favor of Angela. Lilith always had the smaller room and less nice items in it. I always wanted to go in and turn Lilith's life around and make her happy. I even wanted to build the relationship between the sisters, because their parents were the problem in my mind.
lol Sometimes when I see Sarah's thing that she does with the sinks in the counters, I think of sims using them and *clipping their hands through them.* lol I've used a CC sink that slots into counters and wasn't a flat sink, and I can tell you that you will most likely get clipping if the sims can even use Sarah's special sinks, but who said Sarah's builds were usable. lol I'm not bashing Sarah, I'm just being real. I also probably wouldn't enjoy using Sarah's builds even if I did fix the usability issues because then I'd have to move all the clipping objects out of each other so that they'd stop flashing. ;w;
I always figured Lilith was the name she took on, not the one her parents named her with. And whenever I played that family in the Sims 2, I did the same thing, Angela was the "pretty princess" while Lilith was a "goth goddess". Though, I also would usually set the goal for myself of making the twins connect over their parents divorce and become friends, which also makes them being together in the Sims 4 make more sense, though that was unintentional.
Omg I just realized that Angela as in angel and she's supposed to be the good one and Lilith as in the demon mother and she's supposed to be the bad one 💀
I'm glad I'm a step parent since no one should trust me to name anything (all my role playing characters have really dumb names since I find it hilarious)
Lol I always make casual goth Sims always have so same I was a baby bat I'm more rocker in style though and boho \goth as well I played Sims 2 and now Sims 4.
I really enjoy your videos the more I listen, an how honest you are. Thank you an I'm stoned so totally feel like the tv is talking to just me right now.. just saying
The speech at 11:25 oddly made me feel better. I zone out and forget what’s happening a lot so hearing someone talk about it and still managing to make such good content was… comforting?
I always actually liked Angela. I imagine her as someone who was pressured since childhood to be "perfect" in order to "win" her parents love, She was always nice to people in my Sims 2 games while Lilith was out starting shit with other people who weren't Angela (Not her fault, I would have anger issues after being the scapegoat my whole life) Overall, I think that both girls are victims of Mary Sue and Danials awful parenting. They also date boys similar to their sister's personalities (Angela with bad boy Dustin and Lilith with overachieving Dirk) I think part of the reason would be because they secretly want to be friends 😢
I always thought that Angela was oblivious and self-absorbed while Lilith was bitter and abrasive, both due to Angela being the favorite. Neither was evil, and they both had the capacity to be both good or bad. Angela dating Dustin the budding criminal and Lilith dating Dirk the responsible angel on his widowed dad's shoulder kinda made me think so, and that they secretly envied one another's lifestyles. The "family home" made no fucking sense since it's all but canon that Daniel and Mary-Sue break up, so if anything Daniel would move in there with Kaylynn(or however you spell that name I swear) Lagnerak. As for Dustin, I'm guessing that after the divorce, Angela started acting more like Lilith which wore out the charm in Dustin's eyes.
The whole celebrity name thing just reminds me of the Meg from family guy her full name is Megatron griffon 🧍and the fact that chriss has a dead twin named Tmas
I want to add that Lilith might be this rebellious bc she wants the attention of her parents and if she doesn´t get it in a positive way (like she never did unlike Angela) then she will get it in a negative way -> teenage rebellion. Angela is a popularity sim bc she´s a people pleaser (or that´s how she was raised) and she might disagree with stuff her parents do but well she wants to keep the "peace" so she says/does nothing. She can´t understand why Lilith just can´t stay quiet and obey. Lilith is a popularity sim bc she wants to find people who actually like her *cough* found family *cough* (even if you maybe change her aspiration to family it would fit well with her becoming the mother she wished she had). Liliths rebellion is, like I said, bc of wanted attention (even if it´s negative) but regarding her sister she on the other hand can´t understand how Angela just stays quiet and seems to have no problem with the mistreatment (although Angela might be concerned for her sister but again doesn´t know how to stand up bc while babied by her parents she still was taught to obey them to make them happy)
when i think of the Plesant family i keep thinking that Lilith wasn't planed. like Angela was what her parents were expecting, then last minute there's Lilith coming right after. bob and Mary probably expected one child not two. its sad but i see it being why they didn't like Lilith.
You somehow find curtains I don't think I've seen before even though I'm pretty sure I own all the curtains and I have a couple thousand hours of build time under my belt.
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You saying 'glonky' and then disassociating is relateable tbh
Exactly!!!
In the sims 2 Lilith was also really neglected. She doesn't have any milestone memories with her parents from when she was a kid but Angela has all of them. She definitely had it really rough. I always imagined her as a sweetie with a hard shell too.
They also essentially named their kids “angel” and “Lilith”, so she was set up from the beginning to be the “bad” twin!
Same, and she is going steady with the guy from the Dreamer family (I forgot the name) he has good grades, so I think he would help Lilith with school, I like the couple
@@XimGato This!!! I so agree with you! Lilith wasn't a bad person and in my Sims 2 games, she found her redemption with Dirk Dreamer who supported the good in her. Like @FakeGamerGirl it also blew my mind that two parents will name a newborn baby with an evil name.
My headcanon is that Daniel and Mary-Sue were expecting only Angela to be born, and only planned for her, which is why Lilith got all the hand-me-downs and grew up badly. I also hc Lilith’s original name was “Lily” but she changed it to be more punky.
When you set your game to other languages some of the townies' names change from the English version, and in Spanish their names are actually Ángela and Lili (their surname is Gentil) so that headcanon is almost canon hahaha
Pretty much my headcanon too. And I think maybe their parents kind of use her as a scapegoat for their issues, like "ugh, we wouldn't have so many problems if we only had to care for one kid!" When really they don't want to take a look in the mirror and realize how much is actually their fault and that they've majorly fucked up their kids.
@@rockiesapphOmg my name is Lili!
(This comment was hella random)
@@ieatteeth5605 it's such a pretty name! And it's really cool to be called the same way as her, I love Lili :)))
I headcanon Lilith to be the black sheep (like from a narcissist family) and once she is done with school she will go no contact with them
I once did a rags to riches challenge with her and she had twins herself and both loved her and eachother, there a little happy goth family now
The only way I accept Lilith's klepto trait by headcanoning that she just wants something that she can really and truly call her own, as she never got something that was truly hers. Like her sister probably got all the new and pretty clothes while she only got the hand-me-downs and the bargain bin stuff, probably got forced into so many activities because her sister liked them while her interests where ignored, and I can totally imagine in highschool almost any boy she was interested in liked her sister better or boys would get close to Lilith only to ask her to 'put in a good word for them' with her sister. And not even her own house is completely hers, she has to share it with her sister. So she just wants something that can be *hers* and hers only, but she can't obtain it for whatever reason, so she decides to steal whatever she wants because she's already second best/the villain in so many people's minds already...
It's gonna sound silly, but bear with me please
In Big Mouth, Jessie is a very smart girl but her parents are going through a divorce because her mom found out she was a lesbian and her dad never stopped being a good-for-nothing stoner and that took a really big toll on her mental health. She does steal things that she has the money to buy, but as an outlet for all that stress and not out of necessity - I personally believe the adrenaline of doing something you're not supposed to, plus the accomplishment of getting away with it, are the things that made the habit so appealing. In my head, considering how Lilith seems to be very neglected by her parents in comparison to Angela, that's why her klepto trait makes sense.
Sometimes I wonder why EA can't hire people who build beautifully from the gallery
I’ve never understood that either!
They did that for some packs - which just shows that they *can* do it but choose not to!
They can, have in the past, but they would have to pay for that outside help and it looks like they are trying to save money because they are prepping to go hard on developing Sims 5
Also there’s no way those people who can build those beautiful builds won’t charge more money for their services.
Let’s stop pretending that EA is too poor to hire sims builders - yeah they will charge for their services but it will be a drop in the bucket for them, they just don’t want to. “Project Rene” is definitely taking up some of their creative talents now so I’d say it would make more sense to hire some new people to do the builds or even just to give some “sims building” lessons to the people that usually do this.
I feel like Lillith is the kind of person that you get paired up with in a science class and she actively helps you understand the materials and lessons in class better than the teacher and it results in the two of you hanging out on Saturdays at a karaoke bar. Then there’s Angela who’s nice and compliments your art style and offers to hang out with you at home but then when the final project comes, you see that she completely stole your idea and made her final project so similar to yours that your the one in trouble for it and she’ll pull the “Idk what you’re talking about” excuse
I GOT the same vibes from them, probably from my personnel exp.
I would be friends with Lilith
If you look at the family photos, memories, and alterations of personality in The Sims 2, Lilith was heavily mistreated and Angela was THE favorite.
Sounds like Olga and Helga from Hey Arnold. Angela was treated like the "golden child" and Lilith was "just there to make the family look perfect". Almost every story has at least one of those households.
I was playing with the Pleasant household in 2 a few weeks ago and literally the first thing the sisters did when I was managing the parents was to start a fight and beat the shit out of each other. Then they did it again. I switched to Lilith to have her go blast metal in her room or sth and she had a string of "Get Poked" interactions from all family members. The DRAMA>
Also, since only now I got to the section discussing the names - idk how many localisations changed the names to match the names of the language it was being localised to, but in my game Lilith was Lillian since Lilith was not a name one could legally give to a child in the Eastern European country I lived in.
I'm currently playing Sims 4 as the Pleasant household from Sims 3 (Angela and Lilith are teens, Daniel and Mary-Sue's marriage is stable for now but could crumble because of his fear of commitment).
Your headcannon for the twins is very right, Lilith is not evil 😭😭😭
My headcanon is that they both are good people... they're just their best version of themselves outside their toxic family dynamics.
Angela is an overarchiever who likes to please people because she inherited that trait from her mom and just have a hard time understanding Lilith rebellious nature (in a way, because she is kinda ignorant to the neglect Lilith has suffered) and she believes Lilith makes everything more difficult with her attitude.
She tries to fit into their parents idea of what she should do (her studies, her behavior) and, because she hasn't had any troubles trying to achieve that image of perfection, just does not understand why Lilith can't be the same. She's the daughter that Mary Sue always brings to her parties with her fellow politicians, the one that appears with her on the photos and the one Daniel mentions on his interviews when he wants to give an image of family guy. The one that is good at hiding her emotions in order to maintain peace at home and does not want to tackle with how messed her family life is. She excuses her parents "They're trying their best".
Outside home, however, she is much more chill and less restrained. She helps Dustin with the house chores while Brandi is busy being chronically depressed. She cooks while he takes care of Beau or helps him clean (that's where her 3 points in cooking come from) or they just chill in Dustin's bedroom while Beau plays with his toys and they listen to music . In my canon she studies a "prestigious career" (like Laws, Politic Science or Biology) and she does not really like the job she ends up having but enjoys the luxuries that provide for her and her family (Dustin and children).
Lilith, on the other hand, never understood what their parents wanted of her. She just does not accept orders unless you explain to her why would she had to make said decision. She is a bad student with problems to find motivation and is, mostly, ignored by their teachers who just consider her (like her parents) a lost cause. She was able to see the cracks on Mary Sue and Daniel practically since she was a child, but she does not know how to call their bulls*it because she is a teenager so she acts out. She started to resent her parents (specially her dad, whom he caught having multiple affairs). Her mother just didn't listen to her to avoid the hard truth and took refuge with work.
Lilith sees Angela as someone who is just blinding herself to reality and is helping to maintain a fake image. She sees her sister as a two goody shoes who is "just as fake as everyone in this family is". Lilith is a rebel, a snarky girl with a dry humor, but she is not really mean to anyone and most of the time she use snarkiness to criticize her awful family dynamics.
You know, the kind of girl who does not play by the image of perfect happy family on family reunions.
She is, in my canon, someone with a hidden heart of gold. She smokes, she does graffitis, she may have done some shoplifting on a dare with friends (Angering her parents in the process, who just think on how their public image will be stained) but does not really do something problematic. In my canon she studies Psychology and becomes a teacher after years working in a restaurant. She is a history teacher whose students think of her as cool, and she hides it but she really loves the job. After graduating she just does not have contact with her family and is the best daughter in law to Darren.
...I rambled again didn't I? Sorry for writing a whole saga about two sims.
I LOVE this take. I might want to add that Lilith might be this rebellious bc she wants the attention of her parents and if she doesn´t get it in a positive way (like she never did unlike Angela) then she will get it in a negative way -> teenage rebellion. But I love this take. Angela is a popularity sim bc she´s a people pleaser (or that´s how she was raised) and she might disagree with stuff her parents do but well she wants to keep the "peace" so she says/does nothing. Like you said she can´t understand why Lilith just can´t stay quiet and obey. Lilith is a popularity sim bc she wants to find people who actually like her *cough* found family *cough* (even if you maybe change her aspiration to family it would fit well with her becoming the mother she wished she had). Liliths rebellion is, like I said, bc of wanted attwntion (even if it´s negative) but regarding her sister she on the other hand can´t understand how Angela just stays quiet and seems to have no problem with the mistreatment (although Angela might be concerned for hr sister but again doesn´t know how to stand up bc while babied by her parents she still was taught to obey them to make them happy)
Kinda reminds me of Daria and Quinn (from the show Daria), except their parents actually try their best.
@@ichbinben. That's funny, I hadn't think about it. In my canon Angela is a little smarter than Quinn tho. Lilith eating pizza and drinking soda constantly and not getting fat, just like Daria, is a headcannon now 😂
@@moritzmartini4132 yeah I always wondered why Lilith would have popularity aspirations being a rebel, but you can always argue that, while Angela looks for recognition and, well, popularity, Lilith looks for companionship and connection. I think your way of looking the aspirations it's a beautiful way to look at the aspirations in sims 2 because, with the limitations of its time, some aspirations (like romance, money or popularity) may seem reductive or vapid and some people (like myself in the past) may tend to avoid them. I like to imagine they are friends with each other boyfriends (Angela with Dirk, Lilith with Dustin) not only because they are similar in personalities but because it's a subconscious way of checking on each other and knowing they are with the right person and doing okay.c
15:45 There is a simmer called PleasantSims that made a The Sims 2 inspired save file! And her excuse was that Pleasantview was flooded and that's why they all moved to Willow Creek! I like her headcannon!
An angel for this. 🤍
My hc is that the sisters... actually go along well and thats why they live together
I can see lilith looking at the amount of clothes angela has and goes "ok, you can keep the closet"
And in my hc they start a good relationship after angela stated that she wanted to be a painter, their parents would be like "you can't do arts, you are smart, go get a real degree" or something like that and then they decided to move together
FR, they probably made up after realizing that their parents were toxic assholes and realized that nobody was really to blame.
@@annacolwell-w6h yeah ngl i'm kind of against the idea of vilifying angela too much. for me she's another child in the equation (of a bad marriage, etc) and whilst lilith would be ignored, angela is at the center of expectations and of "seeming like everything is okay". if that makes sense?
@@MissSun23 yeah, Lilith's issues seem to be more obvious on the surface and I imagine she starts fights with Angela because she's jealous of the praise she gets "for free", I imagine Angela also starts fights with Lilith because she envies her ability to rebel against authority and not care what others think
18:41 “Some of you may be rejoicing” my favorite part of your videos is your rambling and infodumping i love it sm 😭😭
I never really thought of either Angela or Lilith as the "bad twin". I tried to make them both sucessfull in ts2, ironically I'd also always send them to university, Angela always to Académie Le Tour because it sounded fucking preppy, and I didn't have a preference for Lilith, it was just "wherever Angela isn't". They would never be friends. With the sims 4 and Angela being a painter I like to imagined that the only thing the twins have in common is something artistic, like if Angela is into painting, then maybe Lilith is into music or goth romances.
The Pleasant sisters kind of remind me of the sisters from 10 Things I Hate About You.
Kat is viewed as scary and disliked by pretty much everyone so she rolls with it... that's Lilith.
Bianca is the sweet girl everyone loves and wants yet in my opinion she just acts like a spoiled brat... Angela.
Dementia Darkness Raven Way needs to be made in the sims, please omg i need this.
I literally just played the Pleasant family (Sims 2) for the first time yesterday! ACR saved Daniel and Mary-Sue’s marriage (that’s got to be a brand-new sentence lmao). Angela and Lilith ended up bonding over their love of swimming, and they’re heading to university now with a couple scholarships each.
Tangent-the Cordial sisters in Belladonna Cove are literally the Pleasant twins but as witches? That was on purpose? Their house is so similar too.
What?! Angela was an Art major??? I thought she was in Law, that's how I played it. In my Sims 2 saves, Angela liked to pretend she was the hero to Lilith's villain.
I also hated how Lil was treated, I had to protect her from that toxic household. Even when the parents divorced, Lilith soded woth the mom while Angela made the whole process about herself. Lilith moved out with Mary-Sue and Angela didnt want to leave their nice house for a smaller place so she stayed with Daniel and his new wife. Then they grew up, Angela married Dustin in an act of rebellion against Daniel and had a baby. Though they were struggling financially. And Lilith was engaged and working her dream job.
I have an idea for a short film ONLY YOU can make.
What if, Lilith's botanical experiments with magic ended up with "Mother Plant" disaster in Strangerville!!!!!
OMG ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THISSSS! AND PLEASE MAKE THISSSS!!!
God Lilith's floor is EXACTLY my aesthetic and how I wish my house looked honestly
9:16 omg I was born in spring! It's like you're listening and you're, like, in my walls!
10:47 That’s me finding out other Simmers recited “Sul sul” although I did heard it in the Sims 2 as “soo soo”
All the twin thoughts made me think of dnd characters my friend and I made together that were twins but one was an aasimar and the other was a tiefling. They were so much fun to play!
In my main generation family my starting sim married Angela now they both live in a little cottage 😊
I love the build competitions, and announcing during your speedbuild video puts me in the mood to play, so it's great timing to announce it here.
I also hate that they gave Lilith the Evil trait and the mischief ambition and major. Honestly, I kind of dislike the Evil trait on principle; it gets rid of so much interpretability in favor of just designating a villain. That kind of thing is why I prefer the personality sliders of Sims 2.
My personal headcanon about Angela and Lilith is that they are both deeply damaged by their toxic family situation. Lilith's damage is just more obvious. WARNING: LONG.
Daniel and Mary-Sue are obsessed with appearances and putting on the image of a perfect family. They aren't really receptive to things that mess with that vision, which is probably why they've stayed together so long despite not really having the best relationship: they _can't_ get a divorce, it would be too damaging for their reputations. Lilith, from the start, didn't fit with their vision as much for whatever reason. Maybe she was more needy as a baby than Angela. Maybe she used the word "no" more as a toddler or asked more annoying questions. Maybe they just didn't like that they had to deal with twins and took out all the negative sentiments, intentionally or unintentionally, on the younger one.
Whatever the reason, Lilith ended up as the scapegoat, and the neglect turned into a vicious cycle with Lilith developing, to get into armchair pyschology, a serious case of avoidant attachment. You can see it in her personality points: she started with four nice points _and lost one._ In-game this happens because of the Encourage action, but in-story, with her memory showing she was never taught her toddler skills and the family screenshots showing that she was always kind of shoved aside, it comes across as someone who's been abused and is lashing out.
There are some little silver linings to being the scapegoat, though. For one, I'm pretty sure that at this point Lilith has absolutely no veil over her eyes when it comes to her parents' bad traits. She knows exactly how rotten the Pleasant family is at its core and she hates having to paste on a fake smile for the public... which makes the vicious cycle turn ever faster.
On the other side, though, Angela's status as the golden child definitely doesn't spare her. Sure, she has good grades and a good reputation, and I would even go so far as to say that she is genuinely, in most cases, a nice person. However, there is a lot of damage under the surface.
Angela's bio says that she dreams of being a fishing boat captain. I guarantee that this is not what she tells her parents when they ask what she wants to do with her life. Being the golden child has conditioned Angela to be a people-pleaser, to mold herself into what other people want her to be so that everything will be okay. She performs the image of perfection so thoroughly that she almost believes it. No, Dad definitely isn't cheating on Mom; he'd never do that because this is the Pleasant family and everything has to be perfect. The jury is out on just how much authentic Angela manages to find its way to the surface, and depends very heavily on what her relationship with Dustin is based on.
When the twins get out into the real world, it's Angela who is going to have the hardest time, because she's never developed things like healthy boundaries and a solid sense of her own _self._ That's not to say that Lilith is going to be immediately mentally healthy, because she definitely has a lot of self-worth issues of her own to disentangle, but she has at least established an independent identity. Angela is going to have to do a lot of growth very fast.
Ultimately, the root cause of the sister's rivalry is how their particular coping strategies and roles in the family dynamic clash. To Angela, Lilith is the one crack in the perfect facade, the one who won't just get in line. If things go badly for her, well, it's kind of her fault; if she could just play by the rules everything would be okay. To Lilith, Angela is either a spineless puppet of her parents or a fellow abuser, and the line is very thin.
I could probably go on about this for hours. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
oh i love it! thanks you for giving angela, who is still a child ALSO caught up in the nasty situation, some grace. some people are mean spirited to her.
@@MissSun23 Yeah, when I was a teenager I was definitely in the "Angela bad, Lilith good" camp, but these days I think they're both decent kids born to terrible parents.
Please do that sims 2 save file that would be awesome! Props to future you for sticking to it and making it lol
I was inspired by all the townhomes before 4 rent and built the pleasants a renovated duplex style townhome bc i imagined angela would be like spoiled but sweet to her parents and say 'im sure Lilith wouldnt want to live with me' and then imply smth abt all the fights they got in in high school and their parents wouldnt want their precious angel hurt so they did that. Of course Angelas side is full of fancy new furniture and professionally painted walls while liliths is all old and she painted the walls black herself. I really enjoyed building it so it was lovely to see fgg liked her reno of it too
People who love her speed builds with the announcements raise your hand 🤚✨
Nice! Your not fooling anyone having us build Sims 2 houses for your save file.😂❤
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONEEE, I LOVE THE PLEASANT TWINS
I'm definitely going to try entering this new build challenge but I'll probably end up playing the sims 2 instead of getting references 😂.
I do think you should give Lilith and Angela the makeovers they deserve
Me and my little brother (I am 20, he is 18 now) had the tendency to fight eachother. Hair pulling, kickin, bitin, etc. Now days we just give eachother the cold shoulder.
When Meg from family guys name is actually Megatron
In new saves, I frequently cheat relationships between Lilith and Dirk Dreamer as well as Angela and Dustin so that they are at least ex's and know each other.
I can only imagine that this hall Build took you Like 2 Hours or more to Build, and you managed to fit it in a 20 minute video!🎉 Im amazed 🤯
I uninstalled the sims 4 recently and now you've got me in interested in creating a sims 2 save file in sims 4, gotta install again.
13:12 I’d like to think that TS4 twins get along and have bonded over how shitty their parents were.
I love to see you and Steph0sims make a video togetherrrr
I loooove Liliths room!
You are right they deserved better
Oooh, that save file idea is *sooo cool*
when you did the standing sink into the counter I literally put my hands on my head and yelled "yoo, that's brilliant" wtf
Brilliant build, but this video also taught me why rotational gameplay was vital in the sims 2. I literally downloaded it yesterday so, woops, gonna keep that in mind
oh my god _i_ was born in autumn! it's like you're listening and you're like in my walls!
I definitely want to download this from the gallery
Oh I love ittttt. 😍 it’s actually so perfect. 😮😍🥰
I usually click out by the montage but this was interesting enough to stay for
1:59
As someone who played Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way in a uni pantomime last year, I can absolutely back this statement up 😂😂
no one else watch fgg for the next 20 minutes because THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE 😂😂😂
the My Immortal reference??? I am just two minutes in girl
I have a business management degree, and I can confirm that we had classes in how to be evil.
I love when you build and make builds better
My childhood Sims 2 expierence was "The Sims 2: Strangetown" and "The Sims 2: Castaway" for the Nintendo DS. And while the buildings' situation is more of a TARDIS one and therefore requires a lot of imagination, I might try to build one of them (again).
Mentioning Lilith meaning demon spawn took me down a crazy google rabbithole. =) Thanks and keep up the entertaining videos!!!
In my game I made them creepy vampire twins.
Just so you know, your rambling is fabulous. 😁💙
I've always assumed that every time you start talking about the build again, it's after a break. Where you're kind of on focus, but then it's off the rails a couple minutes later.
As a semi gothic witch, I fully support Lilith being a modern witch, all of your takes are so right.
5:21 Yeah they completely misunderstood Lilith and Angela. Especially because of the pics showing Lilith being ignored by her parents at the twin’s birthday party and because Angela was dating a criminal who her dad hates.
It must be this month. I haven't been able to speak properly all last week and this week (so far), so you're not alone, Sarah!
I started cackling at the whole thing of your depiction of the Angela and Lilith in the retirement home
I actually want to watch your play through with these characters that you're making.
From what I remember in the Sims 2, the parents doted on Angela and Lilith did not meet any of her "toddler mile stones" based on her memories in game. I always felt bad for her because it seemed she was shoved aside in favor of Angela. Lilith always had the smaller room and less nice items in it. I always wanted to go in and turn Lilith's life around and make her happy. I even wanted to build the relationship between the sisters, because their parents were the problem in my mind.
lol Sometimes when I see Sarah's thing that she does with the sinks in the counters, I think of sims using them and *clipping their hands through them.* lol
I've used a CC sink that slots into counters and wasn't a flat sink, and I can tell you that you will most likely get clipping if the sims can even use Sarah's special sinks, but who said Sarah's builds were usable. lol
I'm not bashing Sarah, I'm just being real.
I also probably wouldn't enjoy using Sarah's builds even if I did fix the usability issues because then I'd have to move all the clipping objects out of each other so that they'd stop flashing. ;w;
nah not lillith lol, my sim autonomously woohooed with her, she called us to say she was pregnant but didnt want the baby so I got stuck with it lol
"Ah my first born Lara, and her twin sister OPTIMUS PRIME" i'm dying
"You poor poor sweet summer child who was probably born in autumn or something" I feel so called out LMAO
I always figured Lilith was the name she took on, not the one her parents named her with. And whenever I played that family in the Sims 2, I did the same thing, Angela was the "pretty princess" while Lilith was a "goth goddess".
Though, I also would usually set the goal for myself of making the twins connect over their parents divorce and become friends, which also makes them being together in the Sims 4 make more sense, though that was unintentional.
7:40 where's that one tweet defending parents who dislike and abandon their kids by saying that maybe the kid's vibes were just off?
Meeee. It's me. I'm the one who waits for the middle of random builds on Saturdays to hear the next building competition
~ I'm in, I would love a Sims 2 save file like that!
~ Love the Sims 2, love your quirky style too!♥♥♥♥♥♥
Omg I just realized that Angela as in angel and she's supposed to be the good one and Lilith as in the demon mother and she's supposed to be the bad one 💀
I'm glad I'm a step parent since no one should trust me to name anything (all my role playing characters have really dumb names since I find it hilarious)
Lol I always make casual goth Sims always have so same I was a baby bat I'm more rocker in style though and boho \goth as well I played Sims 2 and now Sims 4.
Dirk Dreamer (Lilith's boyfriend in the sims 2) is also a famous sim townie in the sims 4
16:26 build comp
OMG but like I was born in Autumn and it's like you're like in my walls...
Please please PLEASE!!!!! Do a modern day Sims 2! That would be awesome!
7:15 bro just explained the whole "Hated Child" gacha life movie situation
I see you, FGG. Ten moves ahead, you friggin genius
“Oh look my first child Laura☺️ and her twin sister 👹Optimus prime👺
Every twin Ive met would kill eachother and steal eachothers identity. Im a twin.
I ate my twin in the womb and stole her identity
I really enjoy your videos the more I listen, an how honest you are. Thank you an I'm stoned so totally feel like the tv is talking to just me right now.. just saying
The speech at 11:25 oddly made me feel better. I zone out and forget what’s happening a lot so hearing someone talk about it and still managing to make such good content was… comforting?
I always actually liked Angela. I imagine her as someone who was pressured since childhood to be "perfect" in order to "win" her parents love, She was always nice to people in my Sims 2 games while Lilith was out starting shit with other people who weren't Angela (Not her fault, I would have anger issues after being the scapegoat my whole life) Overall, I think that both girls are victims of Mary Sue and Danials awful parenting. They also date boys similar to their sister's personalities (Angela with bad boy Dustin and Lilith with overachieving Dirk) I think part of the reason would be because they secretly want to be friends 😢
I always thought that Angela was oblivious and self-absorbed while Lilith was bitter and abrasive, both due to Angela being the favorite. Neither was evil, and they both had the capacity to be both good or bad. Angela dating Dustin the budding criminal and Lilith dating Dirk the responsible angel on his widowed dad's shoulder kinda made me think so, and that they secretly envied one another's lifestyles.
The "family home" made no fucking sense since it's all but canon that Daniel and Mary-Sue break up, so if anything Daniel would move in there with Kaylynn(or however you spell that name I swear) Lagnerak. As for Dustin, I'm guessing that after the divorce, Angela started acting more like Lilith which wore out the charm in Dustin's eyes.
The whole celebrity name thing just reminds me of the Meg from family guy her full name is Megatron griffon 🧍and the fact that chriss has a dead twin named Tmas
I want to add that Lilith might be this rebellious bc she wants the attention of her parents and if she doesn´t get it in a positive way (like she never did unlike Angela) then she will get it in a negative way -> teenage rebellion. Angela is a popularity sim bc she´s a people pleaser (or that´s how she was raised) and she might disagree with stuff her parents do but well she wants to keep the "peace" so she says/does nothing. She can´t understand why Lilith just can´t stay quiet and obey. Lilith is a popularity sim bc she wants to find people who actually like her *cough* found family *cough* (even if you maybe change her aspiration to family it would fit well with her becoming the mother she wished she had). Liliths rebellion is, like I said, bc of wanted attention (even if it´s negative) but regarding her sister she on the other hand can´t understand how Angela just stays quiet and seems to have no problem with the mistreatment (although Angela might be concerned for her sister but again doesn´t know how to stand up bc while babied by her parents she still was taught to obey them to make them happy)
This morning alone I was messing up my words when talking to my manager at the end of my shift. It's not just you.
In my main character era because she knows I was born in Autumn 👹 Just say that you’re obsessed with mee
I'm here doe the sims 2 modern day save
The inside definitely got a glow up, but to be honest, I think the outside looked better before the makeover.
I'M SO DOWN TO SEE THAT NEW GAME SAVE PLEASE! STREAM IT
ok but i was actually born on the first day of autumn???
when i think of the Plesant family i keep thinking that Lilith wasn't planed. like Angela was what her parents were expecting, then last minute there's Lilith coming right after. bob and Mary probably expected one child not two. its sad but i see it being why they didn't like Lilith.
You somehow find curtains I don't think I've seen before even though I'm pretty sure I own all the curtains and I have a couple thousand hours of build time under my belt.
Omg, I was literally born in summer, how did she know?!
The amount of old I feel when the simmers I watch haven't even played the Sims 2 when I remember playing the very first Sims game. Ouch
I'm an autumn baby! (If I was born in the northern hemisphere that is lol.)