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- Baby Reindeer creator Richard Gadd is the 'real psychopath' and is making money out of lies, claims the 'real stalker'.
Fiona Harvey has told Piers Morgan Uncensored the comedian and actor behind the Netflix show is “making money out of untrue facts”.
She went on to describe Gadd, 34, as "a complete psychopath" who has “done bloody well out of defaming me", on being told he's likely made millions from the series.
The 58-year-old claims to be the inspiration for the character Martha, who is seen bombarding protagonist Donnie Dunn with thousands of emails and showing up at the pub where he works every day.
Harvey was 'outed' within hours of the show premiering on Netflix last month by internet sleuths.
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I wonder when we will stop talking about the stalker and talk about the rapist in the movie. Why is everyone more concerned about trying to find out about the real Martha than finding out who is the real rapist? Where is the rapist who seemed to get away and probably is going on normally about his life...?
And potentially grooming others
Fiona is a lonely, mentally unstable woman that he led on. He enabled her behaviour, he brought that on himself but the predator, nobody seems to care that there is a rapist on the loose praying on young men. How many other victims are there or will be? I don't understand it.
People are actually trying to figure that out as well. It's just harder to figure that out when the rapist is not outing themselves so easily as Fiona is. She is literally going on an interview and such.
When Pierce’s “Martha” interview came up in my recommended videos, my first thought was “ok that’s nice, but who tf is the grooming pusher rapist?”. Hopefully all the eyes on this miniseries keeps him in constant fear and paranoia.
First, the main story is about the stalking. The rape while serious, was not the focus of the series.
Second, people HAVE been talking about it and the assailant, to the point a colleague of Gadd’s was falsely accused.
He's right. My 68 year old neighbour harrassed me for 2 years before i called the police. I would scream at him to leave me alone, and the next day he'd be back as if nothing had happened the day before. This is while he had a tag on his ankle for stalking a 21 year old girl, but he had no concept that he'd done anything wrong to either of us. The judge actually said to him 'i cant dismiss you as an old fool because still here today in court, you dont think you've done anything wrong'. These people are completely deluded and do not recognise how they behave. They genuinely think the other person was into them.
If I would have been your neighbor , he never would have done it a second time
@@Allyourbase1990 thank you. Although many neighbours did go round, but these people live in a crazy reality
@@smch6416hope you are ok now ❤ I have experienced this sort of behaviour I was scared to put my bins out and was terrified he would harm my dogs...thankfully I moved....
@@azillliasmith2734 Thank you. You too! There's some very scary people out there. Thankfully for me, the guy has actually passed away now.
The r****st is definitely a lot worse then the stalker ... definatley needs addressing.
Exactly my thoughts! I cant believe this hasnt been THE main witchhunt!!!
@user-hm3bq9it6n no she groped him and did so much worse overall. She's a horrible person.
They haven’t outed that person because he is well known. Disappointing
@@PMCFrontLinesEven the victim would disagree with you
@@orangemoon9634 Women are wonderful effect. I don't care.
He gave a reasonably full account of his role in it. He encouraged behavior, he tried to set her up, he sought sexual encounters that I'm sure many viewers, like myself, found abhorrent.
His story was of trauma, why trauma encourages and cycles trauma, and how traumatized people seek out, encourage, and don't understand their own repeated traumas.
I think, with his story, he did his best to document what happened to him, as well as the reflections of his own behaviors that contributed to the story. Great piece of storytelling, and reflects how real life is never black and white.
I agree so much!! He helped expose a long misunderstood reality, trauma generates disorderd life choices because of how badly your brain gets re-wired
That's a lot of trauma from reading your comment about trauma.
What abhorrent sexual counters did he seek?
@@vph7he admitted to masturbating over her image which admits some amount of reciprocation in her obsession.
Are you Martha??
The casting for the stalker was dead on a great casting choice
Totally agree, even though they said they'd disguised her so much that she "wouldn't recognise herself ". They could be sisters! Lol
Yes and I read that she studied so hard for the part. She viewed hours and days and weeks of footage and sound of the real psycho Martha. She did an excellent job!! Award worthy IMO 🏆
I disagree because she and Gadd are both in their 30s and look the same age so him calling her older made no sense. The actual stalker was so much older and I would’ve preferred an actress who was older. Know he was in 20s when it occurred but then the actress should’ve been maybe mid 40s. To me Gadd wasn’t believable as in his twenties. So it made sense when the twist of his identity was revealed!
@@fiora5643The actress that would do the best job is who got the part. They were both styled to look older/younger. You weren't supposed to focus on the actual age of the actors.
That actress is extraordinary
So with all these reporters working, none of them can confirm if she went to prison for 9 months?
she didnt. Netflix says directly that this is a fictionalized version of the true story. Richard himself said that she didnt go to jail
@@nekosquealer3423 She did for four months, but under a different name. Her nephew just said.
@@Annsunshine30 Then show us the evidence, until we see the evidence it simply is not true!
Right? It's bizarre. I am not so sure Gadd wasn't really playing this up for, well, sensationalism.
@@KatJ3st againnn.. it doesnt matter if she went or not Netflix mentions after every single episode this is a fictionalized version of true events so some things could likely be false. point of this show is not to incriminate her or to find the culprit; its to show human experiences and ENTERTAIN
I hope she gets Piers' number and he gets messages sent by iphon
Hahaha
I hope not.
Iphoen XD
Don't be so hyperbowlic.
😂 brilliant
This is second season material 😂
lmao
History on the making, perhaps?
Yassssssss!!!
Fiona has already been hired by Netflix - she’s writing as we speak 😂
She goes on Pierce Morgan and proceeds to stalk him. Morgan finally quits the show.
She is doing the same thing she did in the show, trying to smeer his name in public and trying to say its all his fault not hers.
Fiona is responding the way would expect the real Martha to act.
This is so accurate
Exactly! She is clever. She calls him a misogynisy....
Let's not forget she is mentally ill
100%
On what do you basis your opinion, a TV show made for entertainment? No factual evidence just a TV show, good job. Well done, Do better
This movie is not intended to be educational. It is called Baby Reindeer, not Strategies for Dealing with a Stalker. It's a warts and all account of one man's complex, emotional life experiences, including stalking.
It's not even intended to be a true story it's mostly exaggerated.
The actress playing her must have learnt her accent from somewhere maybe the voicemails she left??
scotish accent lol
@@dannysstart2218There's many different Scottish accents.
It's called acting school
It was a generic Scottish accent, plus Gadd is Scottish so she didn't have to go that far, he could have helped her with how particular lines should be said. But, Jessica Gunning most probably was allowed to listen to the voicemails.
He's saying a lot of nothing . Richard Gadd was recognizing his part in it all and felt remorse, went to the police , had a conscience and this is in fact his story , so i feel this mans judgement to be quite unfair . Lets not forget his family was stalked as well .
That criminologist takes A LOT of time/words to say VERY little
Rambles as much as Fiona herself 😂
Thank you for this comment so I don't waste my time. Appreciate ya.
He actually said nothing.
David Wilson is an awful psychologist, but for some reason he is considered an "expert" 🤯
@@julieoluna8887 And yet you expect us to take your word based on nothing but you saying it is so.
Whatever the real life drama etc... or how much was art imitating life ... Baby Reindeer is one heck of a great piece of work and the actors are brilliant ❤️
She could've just stayed quiet and no one would have known. No one believes you, Martha!
i believe her, and many other people do
@@bellababy50505 dummy
You could say the same about him.
@@mysticjen379 that makes no sense ha
No it was soooo easy to find out who she was
In the interview Piers asks her has she been to his show and she says “no” while nodding her head not shaking it ! Body language doesn’t lie
If you knew anything about body language you'd know this is one of the biggest myths & you can't make an assessment based on one thing.
@@aussiejubes Hi , I’m not claiming to know about it , it was just something I saw and thought it was weird, but it is something your body does unconsciously
@michellemcgowan5657 you confidently claimed body language doesn't lie lol. This doesn't mean a thing though & can happen for a lot of reasons, none of which mean anything without a whole bunch of other body language cues to assess too. You'll notice you say yes & shake your head a lot (& vice versa) & you're not lying.
Now ya know.
@@aussiejubes thanks for sharing your take
@@aussiejubes thank you for sharing your veiw
If the FB page I saw is hers, she admits texting, receiving free drinks and him peeping in her windows etc. I really want her to be telling the truth. But if that FB is indeed her.. then she’s already admitted to much of what she is simultaneously denying. Meanwhile Gadd could have blocked the emails and the calls. He didn’t and he admits he encouraged her and here the problem lies… she may have reasonably and genuinely believed they had at the very least a genuine friendship. I meanwhile wish the attention would be directed to the rapist who is allegedly known and being protected like Jimmy Saville was by everyone around him. What a farce!
There is a gag page too.
Lets see his computer/phone history
Think the truth is somewhere in between.
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unDErraTeDd commEnt xx
That criminologist could send a glass eye to sleep!
Yep. He just rambles about nothing.
Bahahahahahahahah
I feel bad for her. This is wild, why's the rapest isn't being made public
I suspect because unless he has clear, documented proof of the sexual abuse, it would open Gadd and Netflix to a hell of a lot of liability. People attempted to find the guy in question and actually misidentified him.
I do too.. he’s exploited a mentally unstable woman for his own gain! Richard Gadd likes playing victim but I think nothing could be further from the truth! I’m extremely dubious about his motives behind all of this
But if the genders were switched you wouldn't
Why are people so hung up on this point? It is his situation to deal with however and whenever he chooses. And if he doesn't, that is his choice as well. The stalking shouldn't be brushed aside because he hasn't outed his rapist. It is funny that if the genders were reversed, people would say the woman is traumatized and didn't feel comfortable reporting her rapist and it is her decision. It goes both ways. You can feel sorry for her but that doesn't excuse the stalking. A lot of stalkers use pity to continue the connection to the victim.
If it is an accurate portrayal, more people will come forward and claim she is a stalker.
Richard Gadd has every right to tell his truth and he did so powerfully and with great dignity.
The stalker has convictions for stalking. Gadd has all the messages saved.
If Gadd needed to talk about her crimes against him and she has convictions she brought it on herself and only has herself to blame. These are crimes.
However, the media needs to stop exploiting Gadd's trauma and the stalker.
My concern (after suffering severe stalking twice - one is now in prison for murder) was that the drama might trigger the stalker into offending against him again because it is an obsession. But that is NOT Gadd's fault or responsibility. He needed to talk about it and I 100% support his dignified, honest and powerful exposure of what he endured.
When I first watched this I felt sorry for this guy.. however when I discovered he was playing himself I began to change my mind about Richard Gadd! As a rape survivor I can’t imagine ANYTHING worse than having to relive that by acting it! Writing it can be cathartic sure.. but I don’t know one person who has been through that who would put themselves through that trauma again by re enacting it .. and it makes me question him and his motives .. I also think if “Martha” Is as bad as he says .. to then exploit her to gain fame and money is sick! He’s not the victim he likes to play and he cynically managed to get a whole host of woke agendas in there to boot! The Martha woman is clearly not the full ticket .. she needs help and instead he set her up for the lynch mob! I think he’s a despicable ruthless fame hungry fraud!
@@Monicablackbelt24 people need to process their trauma in their own way. I wrote an 800,000 word series of novels about mine and I am diagnosed with PTSD. It just couldn't stay silenced in me anymore. It was like screaming it out.
@@Monicablackbelt24 because he didn’t act how you would of acted or took his trauma the way you would of took yours makes you question his truth?
@@Monicablackbelt24I suspect the same.
Gadd put himself front and centre in this drama . No need for that . He could have written this under a false name and an actor cast in the part .
🎯🎯🎯🎯 He's's as much unhinged and an attention seeker just like her.
But how incredibly brave of him in his vulnerability.
Who better to play him and of course he was the centre of the story it was his story.
This is what I find facinating that he starred in it himself under another name but why no focus on the rapist ? That was the most brutal part of this show
@@juliettelynne5861 Indeed. How incredibly brave to use it as a vehicle to fame and allow a serial rapist to walk free so as not to interrupt said fame. What a guy.
He will have played down his part in all of it. She stalked him, I think that is undisputed BUT I do not believe he is telling us the whole truth. I think Fiona frequented the bar and developed a crush on Gadd and for his and his colleagues amusement, he made fun of her and pretended he liked her too. He said himself he led her on but I think he has played things down where his own behaviour is concerned. Playing with the emotions of a lonely, mentally ill woman is not just cruel, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I have no respect for Gadd whatsoever. He used people for whatever he needed at the time. Fiona for his own amusement, Teri he was ashamed of but still needed her and the predator, he went back for more, even after being seriously sexually assaulted to get him to where he needed to be in his career. How many other victims are there or will be? Martha's portrayed as a monster but there's also a rapist on the loose that he would rather cash in on than report to protect others He has made a lot of money out of his story which will be heavily dramatized to sell to Netflix. Not excusing what Fiona did by any means, she needs help but he enabled her by leading her on until he realised he had bit off more than he could chew. He's also a weird horrible man, he brought that on himself.
Totally agree .
He tells on himself way too much and people pretend not to notice.
@@mobwatch8119I thought the same.
Well said.
good and brave comment - thanks
Not many people realize that the stalker plot in the series was used as a device to enter the mind and thinking of Richard. Script-wise, The series is not about Martha but about him. Many other things occured in the series making him react to those awful situations to show us a kind of introspection about part of his life in the past. It seems people prefer focusing solely on Martha which is kind of a psychological freak show and very first degree.
@@LucyStormbringerLastic The public exposed her! And calling her a "Silly C" is shocking! She told her side of this story affter receiving abuse and death threats, and she has a right to tell her side, she is a victim too. The film appears to be extremely problematic - Not a true story as we are meant to believe!
Based on a true story doesn't mean it will all be actual factual from beginning to end. All Netflix was required to do was change the characters names which is what they did. If the internet investigators still found her, that's not their fault. And if she actually did go to prison for stalking Gadd, what exactly is she suing him for?
Not defending her, but no one has been able to prove she went to jail for 9 months like the show is claiming (at least not yet). It should be easy to prove if it is true, but so far no such evidence has been shown that it is.
If.
Won’t the police be able to put this to bed,they’ll have the facts
Don’t think they did anything about it in real life?
Let’s remember first that Richard Gasd is a victim of crime and a victim of abuse. He also happens to be a comedian. The heading to this piece should be remember that.
comedian is a strong word.
Let's remember being victimized doesn't make one a saint.
According to him. So far, no evidence has been produced.
Or he was victim of none of that and actually just hungry for fame...
@@solarralos7102 he will if needed to. Netflix don't bankroll a true story without receipts
The stalking may be overly dramatized. The real Martha never went to jail for 9 months. The thousands of email and harassing the family are also questionable. I think it's important to listen to both sides. We would believe everything in the movie if she didn't appear on Pier Morgan.
I believe she did stalk him but I think he had dramatised it for TV.
that is a very common thing for these sorts of programs
Well, we'll see, won't we, since convictions are public record. We will know if she ever really did go to prison for it, and we will know the truth of the matter. I agree with you that likely something did happen, which was not quite so dramatic, and he exaggerated it, possibly A LOT.
He did say that parts of the show had been dramatised for effect. But I still believe she inundated him with emails and calls, it just might not be 41k emails. But if he has kept all 41k if those emails, they'll be very easy to trace, as Piers mentioned in the interview.
I think he led her on and dumped her and her irrational mind, could understand why or accept it.
@@burlhorse61she is already stalking one of the guys that wrote an article now!
I think it’s a great piece of filmmaking. I was abused from the age of 9 and sought abusive situations like Donny, because that’s what was familiar. Baby Reindeer is about Donny and not Martha. She is much more than his antagonist, she is a walking wound like him. Richard Gadd wrote her with a lot of humanity and he never made himself as the sole victim. The real Martha can’t accept this and wants to make it about herself now. typical of narcissistic behaviour. And Piers thrives in this, because that’s the kind of exploitative journalist he does. What about Piers’s responsibility towards Fiona’s wellbeing and re-ignition of her trauma? Richard has the right to tell his side of his story, like Fiona.
This is exactly it. Thank god you get what the show was about
He is out of line this guy! I beleive that Gadd did not lie and he himself recognize he had a problem too! There are witnesses to all of that!
the guy lied about her going to jail . I wouldn’t trust anything he said
@@MichaelHandyman-bv1odshe DID GO TO JAIL!!!
@@MichaelHandyman-bv1odokay? So it was a bit of dramatisation in an otherwise true story
Most tv shows & films make stuff up for a more cohesive plot
@@Mynameissnot in real life, just in the drama
He did lie, and any claim are absent of any evidence. But it’s a verifiable lie that she was not convicted of assault or stalking, so you’re also a liar.
Just like how there was no evidence of any sexual assault from her or a writer, the entire show is slanderous and defamatory. You are naive to take anything you see on the show as gospel.
She's a stalker..you can tell. She's seeing $$$$$$$ signs.
BR is about stalking and mental illness. Nah, I believe him more then her. But the mini series is fantastic.
how can see sue him if he didn't use her name?
This seemed like an additional episode of the series
Lmao 👍
what people don’t pay attention to is when it says “based” on a true story, which means it is based around a true story and thing are gonna be exaggerated or not true. This show is not his story, it’s based on his story
Exactly! It is not a documentary. It is a tv show.
@@LucyStormbringerLastic Netflix failed in duty of care! It only took 5 mins to work out who the real Martha is! And again someone has already been wrongly accused of rape.
You blind? It literally says, at the beginning of EVERY episode:
"This is a true story."
(No "based on" anywhere.)
@@aliceandfriendsvideos research next time plz
Blame shifting, gastlighting, demeaning comments, lies, manipulation, lack of accountability, lack of boundaries, lack of empty. This woman is clearly a dangerous narcissist.
Do people realise when shows like this are produced, Netflix investigate on the back story. It’s not some TikTok where anyone just uploads their movies.
In other words, you believe the show. You believe she is a convicted, confessed stalker who went to prison. You don't believe Netflix's legal department would greenlight the show if it were lying about that. (Perhaps you think they learned their lesson about liars with Harry and Meghan.)
Making money from defaming her? No one had to know it was her had she not came forward 😂
There are different kinds of stalkers and not all of them are actually delusional, this guy had the opportunity to point that out. Even if he did act towards her in a friendly or even sexual way it doesnt warrant her actions. As per usual because its a female she has a get out of jail "its not really her fault" card, from some people.
This guy is a cop, and he has his angle: we need to teach people to go to police when they are stalked. However, this story is about so much more than only stalking... I agree, from the first contact with police, "Donny" is told that female stalkers are less dangerous because of less physical aggression. As if someone cannot make your life miserable without ever becoming physically aggressive...
@@georgemioch8981 hes not a cop he is a sociologist who used to work in a prison so he does a lot of these opinion peices for tv
If the series severely embellished the stalking to the extent that they did; 40,000 emails etc and the real truth is considerably a lot less then I think they overdramatized the actual events resulting in a very misleading account of the truthful events.
They also portrayed her as a convicted criminal who had gone to prison for 4 years for stalking, and had a long history of it, documented online. This isn't accurate (she has no criminal record) and immediately labels her as dangerous. The court hearing at the end of the show is also fictional. People at large don't differentiate between the character and real person, which is the real danger.
Literally what tf was the old guy ranting about 😂😂
This man badly needs a verbal editor.
Richard Gadd takes alot of accountability in his role in how his stalking got to the level it did. He openly states he suffers from his own mental health demons too. He never just blamed her but after enabling her for so long it was then hard for him to get her to stop when it got scarily out of hand and then became dangerous & frightening. He had every right to tell his story as it raises awareness to different types of people out there who also put themselves in these dangerous positions. He didn't provoke her but he definitely enabled it, but she should have stopped when he wanted to cut ties yet she kept going and going. Fionas interview shows an incredible resemblance to the character of Martha. She contradicts herself continuously, has grandiosity, takes no accountability or ownership for any of her actions that can be proven, she's a hypocrite and a pathological liar who seems to believe her own lies. She demonstrated that she lies multiple times in this interview by changing her story.
She's an unhinged and dangerous woman. Lock your doors Richard Gadd....and Piers, she will be on your tail now too.
I take it Richard Gadd didn’t know how to block her from his emails, Facebook and phone 🙄. What’s worse, sending 41,000 emails, or receiving them without blocking her after the first one 🥴🤥🤣. He didn’t block her because it either didn’t happen, or he wanted it to continue. He’s nothing but a fame hungry attention seeker
@@patriciamckenna3464 so glad to see someone else with this take. I watched the show and didn't even care about Martha. I was absolutely repulsed by the main character. Such a cowardly man who is now being praised and receiving financial gain for his horrific cowardice.
@@rubybonsparkletits2323 But that's the point - he takes responsibility for it. Admits that he encourage it for attention. He is not portrayed as positive character here. The story is focusing on how trauma can cause more trauma, how someone who went through trauma might be lost, lack any self confidence and self-worth, which can lead to making bad decision, engaging in bad relationship like f.ex. with a stalker. It's not a show with a hero and a villian, and he fully admits that so idk why you are making comments like that. It clearly shows you didn't watch or didn't understand what it is about.
@@zelgadisgreywolf8313 I watched the Netflix drama and I agree he didn’t portray himself in a very good light, but then don’t accuse someone of ‘stalking’ you when you actually encouraged it and led her on. According to the drama he was aware of her ‘allegedly’ stalking someone else, but yet he didn’t make any attempt to stop her. Why did he let her send him 41,000 emails? why did he not just block her?
It was obvious he craved attention and fame, and he’s still craving it 🤔
@@rubybonsparkletits2323 Yeh I think the public are more focused on ‘Martha’ sending 41,000 emails and not asking why he allowed it and never blocked her 🤔Also they seem to think that someone who was sent ‘mixed signals’ and maybe thought he liked her, is in some way worse than someone drugging you and raping you 🤷♀️
I just think Richard is caught up in his own self importance and is relishing all the attention and fame which is what he craved.
Wouldn't be surprised if they're both badly damaged people who've become pathological liars and just loving all the attention they're getting now.
Skeptical UNTIL I saw her interview. SO manipulative, imho... she deflected like no one I've ever seen in nearly every question. Super grandiose, lied by omission way too many times imho & came off histrionic AF. This guy "expert" is wrong imho. Her interview sealed the deal for me. Just confirmed she absolutely did do those things.
BUT WHAT about him being RAPED by ANOTHER Music Exec, NOBODY is bringing up this/ Or very few are.
And Morgan should not have agreed to that! She wants attention and she got it!
She’ll probably start stalking him….😮😬
@@foxylady9110 Yeah I wonder.
Morgan hast lost his ethics a long long time.
Yes! Thank you for pointing this out.
Stalkers are known to turn it around to the victim, she sounds very delusional. 🤷♀️
richard gadd has never said it was her..... her taking credit proves he's not lying...
Has he said it’s not her?
@@Skaterbun not really his job to look out for her...
I agree he had made mistakes, making her believe they were in a relationship, but he admitted this, and he didn't realize she has this mental state, and he does too. And yes again, this is a big problem, there are many underlying mental conditions we are undermining, and the world is still not aware of them, people can be dangerous when they get into higher positions in society. And it's contagious, And we all can see it.
The fact people won't leave all this alone is a bad idea. Let it be a show and that's it.
It was a show which was advertised as based on a true story (not a dramatisation). If what it depicts is untrue (her sexual assault on him, '000s of emails, attacking his girlfriend) then she has been defamed & could sue. Given that these things can be factually proven (documentation/eye witnesses) then either she is a delusional liar or he is
Why did she pled guilty then? She can’t say it’s slander or defamation if she admitted to stalking..
"Why did she pled guilty then?" Why did the show CLAIM she pled guilty, is what you need to ask yourself. It's increasingly clear that plea never happened.
This whole situation is kinda sad. I can't help feeling a bit sorry for her
I think the show does that perfectly. Martha is portrayed as a woman who keeps her hope up for a a relationship with Donny, but in the end actually needs help.
And people like you….who make excuse for bad behavior of others…..is exactly what’s wrong with this world. She needs ACCOUNTABILITY before she can ever be healed. Grow up.
@@LizzyL2024where did OP say she didn't deserve accountability? Overly harsh comment. The show itself presents her in a sympathetic light.
@@LizzyL2024 she obviously has mental health issues-that's not just bad behaviour
Me too. Being the victim of stalking is no joke but in this case I think that's what started it, a joke to amuse him and his colleagues in the bar by, making fun of a mentally ill woman with a crush letting her think he felt the same way until it got too hot to handle. He enabled her behaviour, he brought it on himself.
Work of fiction….get over it…it’s a show for people to watch and make up their own minds about……this is being blown completely out of proportion……..at its essence……it is a money making venture for Netflix.
This is stupid. Not only Gadd admits his wrongdoings IN the show, but also, this gentleman is saying what one SHOULD do, what the appropriate action to be taken is, but is is talking about a level headed person capable of recognizing clearly the situation. But the show depicts his action as troubled. He even says so in his characters own mouth. All this is really dumb.
Richard shouldn’t have said he instigated it. Because now she can use his own words against him.. But she pled guilty in court to stalking? Didn’t she?
"Didn’t she?" Did she? Wait, Netflix-the company that brought us Harry And Meghan-wouldn't LIE to us, would they?
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
The series seemed to end with him being comforted by her attention. I mean no wonder she's appearing on Piers Morgan. It's to get him back. This feels like some weird promotional material for season 2 or have we finally crossed the line between fantasy and reality. God help us all :)
It’s that like that black mirror episode where everything she does In real life gets put on Netflix
Both Martha and Gadd are creepy.
I never believe what the Sun says, same with what this guy is jabbering on about. He clearly has gone "I got stalked... this didnt happen to me, so its all BS" Gabb clearly says he - at times - enjoyed the attention as he wasnt getting any, So walking someone home, or taking them for a coffee DOESNT mean theyre in a relationship. No idea where this idiot is getting that idea from. She was known to lie, and claimed they was in a relationship. And he even says, the only way for him to get her to listen, was to go along with her delusion.
He meant that walking her home, taking her for coffee, etc, *in her mind* meant they were in a relationship.
Remember what The Sun did to Johnny Depp
If a man did this... they would call for his head...
Could've been worse - could have been Paul Francis Gadd!!!
You missed the pont that Ricard Gadd was putting across about his own behavior and lonliness
They should be talking more about the creep in the entertainment industry!
He has the messages and e-mails for sure.
Baby Reindeer was not a documentary. It's creative story telling inspired by real events.
She has clear BPD why are you not addressing this ???
Gadd also suffers from it
Bottom line, she revealed herself to the public. The lawsuit will go nowhere.
Gosh just get to the point
The problem here why alot of you hate her and not the rapist!! What a cruel world we live in.. Sad sad sad!!
We can literally hate them both. They both caused trauma and pain.
We don't like either of them
Huh? Most people probably don't like either.
The rapist is a man. She is a Woman in her 50s who is mentally ill, doesn't have any real life support or any wealth to fight the stuff they write about her, so now its the public who are doing the stalking/bulling. Cruel world.
@@AZed-yq5rf Yet its the mentally ill Woman who is being stalked now by everyone, made fun of, publicly humiliated, the rapist isn't even being reported.
Victims should not live in fear and not be encouraged to be kind because stalkers might get encouraged to do more harmful things. Victims should have the right to warn society of the dangerous behavior these stalkers engage in, exposing them without fear, especially once legal proceedings are completed and it is found that stalkers have committed a crime.
What the hell was that man on about? Jesus 🥱
Tell this lady that this is a fictional series based on real events, not a documentary.
She just gave up all credibility!
Do we have the proof of these emails and voicemails? Just playing devil's advocate here.
Of course not it’s not, nobody pressed charges, nobody was tried in real life. So now everyone believes Netflix now cause after all they are right, right? they don’t need to know or care about facts if Richard is making them and himself money out of it.
Was she incarcerated under a different name?
It said it was dramatised . Most true life stories are .
Remember the Dr. Phil interview with Shelly Duvall?
Maybe we should view this with a bit of caution and compassion.
She is a stalker but he’s the one spying her in the window.
Know your enemy.
Richard should have never made this show especially if she was gone and out of his life. He should have continued with private therapy. He only brought her back in his life (what was he thinking!?). By the way she deserves some pay.
Why does she deserve some pay for being a stalker?
It’s not her story-she did not write it and have Netflix buy it and produce it.
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
If society believes that it is better for victims to remain quiet, stalkers will get worse, even d3@dly. I don’t think stalkers should be allowed to keep from being exposed for the criminals they are. I think exposing stalkers will deter further more harmful behavior.
It’s crazy because half of it is true from what she says? Like she’s a lawyer, she saw him at a bar, and so on. So I think she’s lying 🤥
Also the fact she is doing the same behaviour towards a journalist. Harassing him, calling him constantly, threatening him.
He said himself that he was enabling her at times so yeah what’s the point?
I can’t focus on anything except how GORGEOUS your hair looks!! 10/10
Another expert dragged out to state the bleeding obvious.
I think it was a folie a duex for these two. He was in a bad space and so was she. They triggered each other's behavior. They are both at fault
you see. in the show, the name is martha not fiona. neither richard nor netflix mentioned her name. nobody is claiming her to be martha but her lol. if she didn't do these, she can just prove it and move on xD I'd love to watch how that trial plays out like baby reindeer season 2 haha
"If she didn't do these, she can just prove it and move on" If you were her, and you didn't "do it," how would you go about proving that? It's a useful thought experiment. Note that in a court of law, nobody would expect her to prove any such thing. But since we're not in a court of law, I'd be interested to know what your advice to her would be.
Why did Piers give this woman a microphone??
"He would not advise sharing certain information about what actually happened": dude, nobody is asking you, it is not a police report or a legal case, it is a TV show, writer can share whatever he wants.
"She would find it difficult to recognize that the behavior she is engaging in is dysfunctional": well duh! If she was capable to recognize that it was an inappropriate behavior, she would probably not do it... Or like we say in mental health: stalker has no insight into their behavior.
And no, stalkers do not blame the person they are stalking for stalking, but for giving them reason for stalking. Martha believes that her and "Donny" have a relationship, that their short meetings are "dates", that they are going to get married and have children (Eggbert, Keith and Neo 🙄🙄🙄🙄) and since they are "involved", she considers his girlfriend as someone who is a danger to her, Martha, and her relationship with "Donny" and believes she is justified to protect that relationship by any means possible.
In terms of psychopathology of stalking: stalkers may have personality disorder, but it on its own doesn't make them stalk. They frequently suffer from erotomania: it's a belief that another person is in love with them, so by stalking, they feel they are "helping" that person express their emotions and achieve relationship they are longing for. Erotomania is a psychotic symptom, a delusion.
Also, whether the victim encourages the stalker, even out of the best intentions, such as wanting to be friends, feeling sorry for stalker and wanting to help, that doesn't have much effect on the stalker. Stalkers are pretty good in finding "hidden" messages, meanings and signs, rationalizations, justifications, etc. Sure, had "Donny" never given Martha that cup of tea, she wouldn't have started to stalk him. However, that minimal gesture that was really a part of his job as a bartender, started a storm...
This stalker story is specific because "Donny" was trying to be nice to Martha, make her a friend. And that is the point: he had a history of abuse, he was under stress trying to make it as a comedian, he had inferiority complex because of history of sexual abuse, so that made him even better victim for Martha. Stalkers find victims who themselves have issues and needs...
Baby Reindeer is not only a story about a stalker, but it is also a story about bad decisions on the part of "Donny" that end him not only being stalked by Martha, but also sexually abused while trying to become a comedian and writer. Its message is not only "what to do when someone is stalking you", but why was it that "Donny" couldn't do what any reasonable person would do in that situation, and that is go to police, avoid, instead of befriend Martha, protect himself so she doesn't learn where he lives, etc.
She is absolutely delusional 😂😂 she contradicts everything she says in that Pierrs interview
I see where this guy is coming from but at the same time the whole point of the show is to portray the severity of it but also portray what not to do and his own faults in dealing with the situation
I can’t believe we’re shifting the blame here? Why is he supposed to act perfect around people with obsessive behaviours, whilst she is excused because of possible trauma and mental health? I get it, something is definitely wrong with her. She is genuinely sick. Trying to understand how she became that way is helpful for possibly having her stop the behaviour. BUT it does not EXCUSE the hurt, trauma and difficulties she caused someone else. They’re both humans with a past. But the mistakes he made because of it are not comparable to her’s. She ruined his life. He simply did not handle this in the most perfect way, just like any person would i think.
Do you not think the writer rather exaggerated things to make it a better story? I do.
With ask due respect, it’s Richard’s story and we don’t get to tell him what he should be doing with it. There was plenty of “If you’re experiencing this, call this number” type messages in the screen, and it’s bringing awareness to the issues that it depicts with so much rawness and vulnerability. You don’t get to demand that every piece of art, literature, film, be a platform. The show is excellent, it’s doing an incredible job of shedding light on unseen experiences, calling it “naive” is so reductive and just wrong.
Imagine for a second if the roles have been reversed? It would be nothing new and nothing shocking, there would be fuzz about it. However, I'm glad that the guy came out and people are finally speaking about stalking victims.
Plain as the nose on your face that Gadd led her on/played games etc.
Whether he got some perverse sense of amusement from the situation, enjoyed the attention etc he's clearly downplaying his role in this.
She's unstable and unwell but the honest answer is I wouldn't believe a sentence either of them came out with. He's almost as bad as she is...
Holy moly. I'm glad he's not one of my lecturers, or rather wasn't one. I stopped listening several minutes ago and was just reading the comments 🤭
What is so interesting about Baby Reindeer is that most stalking situations involve celebrities (major or minor) or normal folks who somehow come into contact with the stalker. This is the first time we see a stalker fixate on a highly damaged individual.
What a crazy woman, she’s the bad guy not Richard.
I keep seeing alot of people saying we need to focus on the rapist over the stalker and while I’m not disagreeing I think alot of people are overlooking the fact that while he was dealing with that trauma from the rape she came into his life and kept dragging him down further and further so he couldn’t heal from it. He was already dealing with his own torture and she kept pouring gas into the fire essentially.