One thing to note about the tail end of Timmy D’s career is rather than “not caring”, he was simply taking care of his body to battle the young stars of the time. If y’all recall, that spurs team was the first to blatantly load manage and was fined $250,000(!!!!!) for resting their starters in a televised game.
that warriors not winning a majority of the rings take got to be one of the worst I have ever heard man. Since we seen the warriors win a ring 2 years ago without durant and none of them in their prime.
I think lebron stuck with the Cavs for so long and they didn’t do anything to help him he’s scared to wait bc he doesn’t want to be in the same boat he was in in Cleveland
Basketball is a team sport so saying that Tim Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5 of all time because he was "just" part of the Spurs system and was surrounded by great players is like saying that Lebron James shouldn't be in the goat debate because he played with Wade, Kyrie, and AD throughout his career. There has to be something said about staying with the same organization throughout your whole career and creating a wining culture rather than just leaving your team every time you think they aren't good enough to get to the Finals. Yes, the organization helped make Duncan as good as he was, Pop coached Duncan like coach should and that shouldn't make you look at Duncan any less. MJ had a great coach and Jerry Krause put a great team around MJ and he is still in the top 3 on most lists. When it comes to Lebron being looked at as a top 3 NBA player, people always say look at his accolades, so lets do the same with Duncan.
I think there’s a distinction between playing with one or two other high caliber players vs playing within a system and you can it in comparisons like this even tho people argue it a lot less Jordan and pippen, Kobe and Shaq and duos of that nature while they get arguments against each other it’s genuinely argued they are both in high regards and it’s not really a system so the context of their accolades are looked at differently and as more individual compared to Duncan and the spurs. A more accurate comparison in this take then Lebron and Ad would be KD and the warriors . Yes KD has the Rings, the finals mvp and it looks great individually on paper but you need the context of the system the warriors had and that changes the way you see Durants individual awards for his time with GsW just like how the video mentioned it was The spurs and not Duncan and the spurs you can say the same here how it Wasn’t Steph and the warriors or KD and the Warriors it was just the Warriors. Because as great as they are individually the system they operated in was so much bigger than just two high caliber players willing their way through the competition. Now obviously Steph won without KD eventually but in that time frame The warriors system was bigger than Steph or KD as individuals.
i think from 2014 to 2020 you could argue kawhi, curry, durant, and lebron as the best player in the world as they all won multiple rings during that period. durant was the best scorer and most unstopable scorer, kawhi was the best 2 way player and was the only player who ever gave the warriors trouble, lebron was the most physically dominant player and the most gifted player, and steph was the best shooter and most explosive scorer
yea i rather this & praise to all players rather than shooting them down for sure . i think a lot of people realize their mistake in hating too much once players retire like some ppl with kobe n lebron lol. i will say i dont think Kawhi had an argument until maybe 2015 or 16 but def had one until 19 and id still push for him now if he just wasnt injured too much in recent yrs
@@CliqueClips i just believe the difference between all four is razor thin in terms who would be considered the best of that era. like lebron is the best but the ball did bounce the right way for lebron a couple times
i’ll drop my hot take steve nash’s 2005 mvp seems to be the most widely panned mvp of the last 40 years, if not ever, but i’d argue his 2006 mvp was a lot more egregious nash averaged 15.5 and 11.5 in 2005 on 50/43/89 splits, which doesn’t pop by any means, but the suns went from 29-53 (21-40 under d’antoni) the year before, to 1st in a tough west with 62 wins, in large part to nash orchestrating the 7 seconds or less offense. 2005 was one of the weaker mvp pools ever. this was a pool that saw “pj brown”, a 35 year old on the new orleans hornets averaging 11/9/2 on 45% shooting, get an mvp vote the majority of the candidates were rather on winning teams and had underwhelming numbers for mvp standards, were seen as second fiddles to the leaders of their team at the time (like wade or amare), or were players with the better stats that lacked team success the era’s voters required. this season lebron and ai put up the best stats (depending on how you feel on ai’s efficiency), but each won 42 and 43 games respectively in my opinion the only clear player robbed by nash in 2005 was ironically dirk, who averaged 26/10/3 on 46/40/87 splits while leading his mavericks to 58 wins, which was 6 more wins than the previous season *despite* losing the eventual mvp from their roster 2006, however, makes zero sense. nash had better numbers than the year prior, but he had 0 right winning over lebron averaging 31/7/7 while leading the cavs to 50 wins, dirk (again) averaging 27/9/3 winning 60 games, kobe averaging 35 (although i understand the era win tax), or even wade averaging 27/5/7 with 52 wins hell, even elton brand lead *the fucking mid 2000s clippers* to 47 wins, 7 less wins than nash that year, while averaging 25/10/3 now why the hell did my high ass write 8 paragraphs on this? idk. but the context of the 2005 mvp race kinda fascinates me and i still can’t believe pj brown got an mvp vote
@@TippedScale i can respect a cult legend but it’s still wild to me he got an mvp vote that year 😂😭 as far as my 2006 mvp i think i’d say that should’ve been bron’s, he had the best stats/winning combination imo - it was kind of his breakout party and the first year the cavs broke through. if you were to argue 3rd best team in the conference still wasn’t enough winning in that era for mvp consideration, bc it was pretty strict back then, then i’d say dirk again
That 2017 Warriors team would dominate this era. They got 2 MVPs in their prime, a DPOY and a all-NBA player on top of it with a good bench. The '23 Suns pushed the Nuggets to 6 games. But instead of Booker, you have prime Curry. Instead of 37 years old CP3 facilitating, you have DPOY Draymond and as a bonus you just get Prime Klay, Iguodala and Livingston instead of Payne, Okogie and Craig. '17 Warriors in 5. The '22 Warriors are just a worse version. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5. The '21 Bucks almost got beat by KD and half Kyrie and half of not fully healed Harden. Also went to 6 against the Hawks and Suns, who the '17 Warriors are way better than. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5. The '20 Lakers just cant keep up. Even if you say Steph/KD = Lebron/AD, they are just outclassed down the roster, compared Draymond, Klay, Iguodala, Livingston to KCP, Danny Green, 34 year old Rondo and Kuz? The '17 Warriors even have a younger McGee, who was the Lakers starting Center. '17 Warriors in 5 maybe 6. You can do it for every Current contender and it still wouldn't be close. If you take their current version '24 Warriors with KD instead of Wiggins and Kuminga. It would be a discussion.
The only problem that I have with this take is that there was no spurs system and pop coaching before Tim Duncan. He won 2 chips without proper allstar help and then afterwards he had incredible finals performances
I don't hate Lebron but I'm also not a huge Lebron fan but there is something to be said about Lebron making random players (teammates) relevant. Also the Lakers just didn't know how to use Westbrook cause Westbrook just came back from being out (the Clippers were on a loosing streak) and now the Clippers are on like a 7 game winning streak (just saying 😅).
It's not that he had good coaching. It's that he was consistently in a fantastic system with fantastic teammates and an All-Time level coach for his entire career, with very few breaks in-between plus a ton of great luck. It's rare that anyone gets that kind of consistent excellence in their basketball environment, much less for like 15 years straight. Look at Lebron. His first stint in Cleveland was marred by incompetent management and terrible teammates. His stint on the Heat was good, but then he went back to the Cavs and started having some issues at the latter half, and then the Lakers basically chucked their entire championship roster out the door after they won. Duncan had the perfect storm forming around him from day one, and while he was definitely a massive part of his own success, it's not like he didn't have help. Still a top 10 player of all time easily, but calling him a GOAT candidate is a bit difficult when others have done similar despite even further hardship.
@@blazefactor6849 well i see the system/management as part of the coaching. Also tim duncan was the face of spurs he made everyone around him look better. Im sure he had huge influence on the franchise. He was lucky but every goat candidate was "lucky". mj had pippen and phil jackson. lebron could join a team with wade and bosh and later he had kyrie and love thats lucky. Luck isnt something you can measure or even define.
@@blazefactor6849my question is this, if we placed tim duncan in another player's shoes (say kevin garnett on the timberwolves) wouldn't it have achieved the same effect?
@@TippedScale His first 3 chips were tim duncan ball, you can argue garnett could do the same, but duncan ball was run perimeter players off their spot towards duncan and offense was run sets through him/give him the ball then let him pass out of it. You could argue others could do it, but the spurs system until they really let parker cook after 05? That's a tall order that duncan answered emphatically.
Have you seen what this video has done to NBA twitter. They are spadering this man JxmmyHighroller and calling him a bad youtuber. Im not gonna stand for this, hes stated so many times that he likes analytics and they dont paint the full picture. Jxmmy one of the goats of basketball youtube
14:27 okay but just like ppl saying Lebron could’ve won without leaving …. He’s so good they would be contenders every year . Yes free agents come but no draft picks . No Tyler hero just Lebron
Thats why the corner 3 is the easiest shot in the game because its most of the time a wide open set shot i think jimmy defeated his own purpose with that one.
Man the corner three is not the best shot, I totally agree with jimmy here. Whenever I played basketball the fact I couldn't use the background made my perception of where to shoot and how to shoot it change, and I mean change in a bad way....
Westbrook was one of the best players when he won the MVP award and at the same time you could say he was a detriment to the Thunders that year because he had the ball too much and didn't get his teammates enough touches which could be looked at as him not actually being a valuable player. The Thunders only won like 47 games that season. The MVP award isn't for the best player, it's for the the most valuable and if Westbrook couldn't get his team more than 47 win then was he really that valuable. Also KD left the Thunder that year so you could say that Westbrook had to carry his team and they only won 47 games because he didn't have any help carrying the team.
prime steph kd and draymond would be ahead of okc in the west rn.They also had klay iggy and javale mcgee, they dogwalk current west and east with no bench
I gotta disagree with the 2017 Warriors being the best team of all time - 2014 Spurs would have handled them due to their insane defense IMHO. And their offense was poetry in motion. Go back and watch the finals that year - it was magic.
The LA lakers players after the chip wanted the bag specially dwight. Cousins has pride, kuz also got pride but shoots awful, the rest looks shit aside from lbj and AD. So don't blame bron if you really watch Lakers
A lot of Lebron detractors have been saying that he can't be the greatest because of those choices. HIS decisions to leave teams and chase instead of helping build teams up is a mental failure that doesn't matter for most superstars, but if you're making the claim that you're the greatest to ever do it, that's a fundamental part of being a leader, and the lack of that quality is enough for me, and many others, to shut the argument down entirely.
Dude trippin how tf did Tim Duncan come into such a great culture that never existed before him ? When he got the spurs Greg was a rookie head coach and the spurs were poverty asf he changed how the nba viewed that team. Yes he has had some great teammates but name me a top 20 player that hasn’t 🤣
him acting like Duncan isn't the 4th maybe even 3rd best player ever actually angered me and i hate the spurs so much but he genuinely made 3 HOFers respectfully
@@princepayne4262 Easy. MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, or Shaq. Nobody thought for a second that Tim was the best player when he played. Meanwhile these guys dominated their respective eras.
@@flamefusion8963 Tim dominated his era too what do you mean? 5-1 in the finals don’t mean nothing? I’ll give you Bron, MJ, KAJ (in that order) but no way you can possibly believe magic, Bird, and shaq I better than Tim. Tim has more in every stat other than points than shaq. His counting stats are better than the last three guys you named while also having better accolades 15 all nbas, all stars, and all defensive teams 3 finals MVP and 2x MVPs while winning rings in 3 different decades and just like Shaq he should have multiple DPOYs. I wanna say after all this tho I respect the opinion there’s no ill will in my reply I just think it’s crazy that Tim is responsible for 5 HOF careers His, Tony, Manu, Kawhi, and Pop and still people won’t give him is respect
@@princepayne4262 saying tim dominated his era is like saying curry dominated his era like no the warriors dominated just like the spurs did its the team
For me Russell Westbrooks MVP was pretty bad. Stat padded rebounds and a lot of turn overs to get the asssits. Not the worst - probably bottom 3-4 MVPs. But you make a good point about Nash, I'm gonna say that was the worst. The season after his two MVPs was actually his best year. So based off Westbrook; D Rose is probbaly worst 4-5th thos century.
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The "Hell No!" And pause just made me wake my girl up 😂
One thing to note about the tail end of Timmy D’s career is rather than “not caring”, he was simply taking care of his body to battle the young stars of the time. If y’all recall, that spurs team was the first to blatantly load manage and was fined $250,000(!!!!!) for resting their starters in a televised game.
"are injuries off" 🤣
Bro ngl the short hair really suits you
No Diddy. I agree tho. Kinda wanna see bro style it up a bit. Tie it or whatever you know. Try some shit
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that warriors not winning a majority of the rings take got to be one of the worst I have ever heard man. Since we seen the warriors win a ring 2 years ago without durant and none of them in their prime.
Him reacting and making a comment about it is the Hottest Takes parts especially the Warriors in this video.
1000% agree with you
"are injuries off" gotta ask jimmy if he went into simulation settings 😭
we need a jimmy 2k video, honestly, him overanalyzing literally everything would be funny
Jimmy's "no" 34:58 sounds so cold wtf
Fact
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I wish you would react to his we are done with the 90s video
still can !
@@CliqueClips can’t wait to see it! It’s a good one
2004 olympics is my answer to you saying Manu would not have made HOF.@@CliqueClips
bros ADHD is off the charts 😂
I think lebron stuck with the Cavs for so long and they didn’t do anything to help him he’s scared to wait bc he doesn’t want to be in the same boat he was in in Cleveland
Basketball is a team sport so saying that Tim Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5 of all time because he was "just" part of the Spurs system and was surrounded by great players is like saying that Lebron James shouldn't be in the goat debate because he played with Wade, Kyrie, and AD throughout his career. There has to be something said about staying with the same organization throughout your whole career and creating a wining culture rather than just leaving your team every time you think they aren't good enough to get to the Finals. Yes, the organization helped make Duncan as good as he was, Pop coached Duncan like coach should and that shouldn't make you look at Duncan any less. MJ had a great coach and Jerry Krause put a great team around MJ and he is still in the top 3 on most lists. When it comes to Lebron being looked at as a top 3 NBA player, people always say look at his accolades, so lets do the same with Duncan.
Tim Duncan is not top 3 with all Due respect
@@Kirby_ethan02 I respectfully disagree
I think there’s a distinction between playing with one or two other high caliber players vs playing within a system and you can it in comparisons like this even tho people argue it a lot less Jordan and pippen, Kobe and Shaq and duos of that nature while they get arguments against each other it’s genuinely argued they are both in high regards and it’s not really a system so the context of their accolades are looked at differently and as more individual compared to Duncan and the spurs. A more accurate comparison in this take then Lebron and Ad would be KD and the warriors . Yes KD has the Rings, the finals mvp and it looks great individually on paper but you need the context of the system the warriors had and that changes the way you see Durants individual awards for his time with GsW just like how the video mentioned it was The spurs and not Duncan and the spurs you can say the same here how it Wasn’t Steph and the warriors or KD and the Warriors it was just the Warriors. Because as great as they are individually the system they operated in was so much bigger than just two high caliber players willing their way through the competition. Now obviously Steph won without KD eventually but in that time frame The warriors system was bigger than Steph or KD as individuals.
i think from 2014 to 2020 you could argue kawhi, curry, durant, and lebron as the best player in the world as they all won multiple rings during that period. durant was the best scorer and most
unstopable scorer, kawhi was the best 2 way player and was the only player who ever gave the warriors trouble, lebron was the most physically dominant player and the most gifted player, and steph was the best shooter and most explosive scorer
yea i rather this & praise to all players rather than shooting them down for sure . i think a lot of people realize their mistake in hating too much once players retire like some ppl with kobe n lebron lol. i will say i dont think Kawhi had an argument until maybe 2015 or 16 but def had one until 19 and id still push for him now if he just wasnt injured too much in recent yrs
@@CliqueClipsput harden in there
@@CliqueClips i just believe the difference between all four is razor thin in terms who would be considered the best of that era. like lebron is the best but the ball did bounce the right way for lebron a couple times
Manu would have made HOF even without Duncan just because of 2004 olympics.
ive watched like 4 reactions to this exact video already but my feed is so ass i clicked on another one
clique has to make a video now about the 2017 warriors in the modern era on 2k
that kawhi take is HEAT
The 3 bears…and the wolf who blew there house down😭😭
i’ll drop my hot take
steve nash’s 2005 mvp seems to be the most widely panned mvp of the last 40 years, if not ever, but i’d argue his 2006 mvp was a lot more egregious
nash averaged 15.5 and 11.5 in 2005 on 50/43/89 splits, which doesn’t pop by any means, but the suns went from 29-53 (21-40 under d’antoni) the year before, to 1st in a tough west with 62 wins, in large part to nash orchestrating the 7 seconds or less offense.
2005 was one of the weaker mvp pools ever. this was a pool that saw “pj brown”, a 35 year old on the new orleans hornets averaging 11/9/2 on 45% shooting, get an mvp vote
the majority of the candidates were rather on winning teams and had underwhelming numbers for mvp standards, were seen as second fiddles to the leaders of their team at the time (like wade or amare), or were players with the better stats that lacked team success the era’s voters required. this season lebron and ai put up the best stats (depending on how you feel on ai’s efficiency), but each won 42 and 43 games respectively
in my opinion the only clear player robbed by nash in 2005 was ironically dirk, who averaged 26/10/3 on 46/40/87 splits while leading his mavericks to 58 wins, which was 6 more wins than the previous season *despite* losing the eventual mvp from their roster
2006, however, makes zero sense. nash had better numbers than the year prior, but he had 0 right winning over lebron averaging 31/7/7 while leading the cavs to 50 wins, dirk (again) averaging 27/9/3 winning 60 games, kobe averaging 35 (although i understand the era win tax), or even wade averaging 27/5/7 with 52 wins
hell, even elton brand lead *the fucking mid 2000s clippers* to 47 wins, 7 less wins than nash that year, while averaging 25/10/3
now why the hell did my high ass write 8 paragraphs on this? idk. but the context of the 2005 mvp race kinda fascinates me and i still can’t believe pj brown got an mvp vote
pj brown is goated, idk what to tell you
but to be serious here, who do you think should've won MVP in 2006 if not for steve nash?
@@TippedScale i can respect a cult legend but it’s still wild to me he got an mvp vote that year 😂😭 as far as my 2006 mvp i think i’d say that should’ve been bron’s, he had the best stats/winning combination imo - it was kind of his breakout party and the first year the cavs broke through. if you were to argue 3rd best team in the conference still wasn’t enough winning in that era for mvp consideration, bc it was pretty strict back then, then i’d say dirk again
Breaking up that 2020 Lakers championship team shattered my Heart.
That 2017 Warriors team would dominate this era. They got 2 MVPs in their prime, a DPOY and a all-NBA player on top of it with a good bench.
The '23 Suns pushed the Nuggets to 6 games. But instead of Booker, you have prime Curry. Instead of 37 years old CP3 facilitating, you have DPOY Draymond and as a bonus you just get Prime Klay, Iguodala and Livingston instead of Payne, Okogie and Craig. '17 Warriors in 5.
The '22 Warriors are just a worse version. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5.
The '21 Bucks almost got beat by KD and half Kyrie and half of not fully healed Harden. Also went to 6 against the Hawks and Suns, who the '17 Warriors are way better than. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5.
The '20 Lakers just cant keep up. Even if you say Steph/KD = Lebron/AD, they are just outclassed down the roster, compared Draymond, Klay, Iguodala, Livingston to KCP, Danny Green, 34 year old Rondo and Kuz? The '17 Warriors even have a younger McGee, who was the Lakers starting Center. '17 Warriors in 5 maybe 6.
You can do it for every Current contender and it still wouldn't be close.
If you take their current version '24 Warriors with KD instead of Wiggins and Kuminga. It would be a discussion.
Clique really talking about seed when comparing the last 5 rookie seasons
The only problem that I have with this take is that there was no spurs system and pop coaching before Tim Duncan. He won 2 chips without proper allstar help and then afterwards he had incredible finals performances
Why does TH-cam keep recommending this vid over and over again
I grew up watching Timmy basically from 03 to his retirement I def have him interchangeable from 7-10
34:26 another player who had a crazy rookie was Micheal Carter-Williams. Almost had a quadruple double in his first game
my goat mcw
I don't hate Lebron but I'm also not a huge Lebron fan but there is something to be said about Lebron making random players (teammates) relevant. Also the Lakers just didn't know how to use Westbrook cause Westbrook just came back from being out (the Clippers were on a loosing streak) and now the Clippers are on like a 7 game winning streak (just saying 😅).
kd was better than bron in 2017 kd outplays bron like 95% of the time they see eachother
Saying that tim duncan is overated becouse he had good coaching is really funny. I dont get it.
It's not that he had good coaching. It's that he was consistently in a fantastic system with fantastic teammates and an All-Time level coach for his entire career, with very few breaks in-between plus a ton of great luck. It's rare that anyone gets that kind of consistent excellence in their basketball environment, much less for like 15 years straight.
Look at Lebron. His first stint in Cleveland was marred by incompetent management and terrible teammates. His stint on the Heat was good, but then he went back to the Cavs and started having some issues at the latter half, and then the Lakers basically chucked their entire championship roster out the door after they won. Duncan had the perfect storm forming around him from day one, and while he was definitely a massive part of his own success, it's not like he didn't have help. Still a top 10 player of all time easily, but calling him a GOAT candidate is a bit difficult when others have done similar despite even further hardship.
@@blazefactor6849 well i see the system/management as part of the coaching. Also tim duncan was the face of spurs he made everyone around him look better. Im sure he had huge influence on the franchise. He was lucky but every goat candidate was "lucky". mj had pippen and phil jackson. lebron could join a team with wade and bosh and later he had kyrie and love thats lucky. Luck isnt something you can measure or even define.
@@blazefactor6849my question is this, if we placed tim duncan in another player's shoes (say kevin garnett on the timberwolves) wouldn't it have achieved the same effect?
@@TippedScale His first 3 chips were tim duncan ball, you can argue garnett could do the same, but duncan ball was run perimeter players off their spot towards duncan and offense was run sets through him/give him the ball then let him pass out of it. You could argue others could do it, but the spurs system until they really let parker cook after 05? That's a tall order that duncan answered emphatically.
Have you seen what this video has done to NBA twitter. They are spadering this man JxmmyHighroller and calling him a bad youtuber. Im not gonna stand for this, hes stated so many times that he likes analytics and they dont paint the full picture. Jxmmy one of the goats of basketball youtube
Kareem can play with Oscar and Magic but Timmy can’t play with Tony Parker? And young Kawhi Leonard? Really?
I didn’t realize how mucho he rants
Jxmyhighroller is back!
Yes sir
Dwight said he wantwd a bigger role but they was like nah
Absolutely see that top 10 list ranking around 13:30 that had a list with GINOBILI at 3. Lol
Westbrook actually wa cooking the 2 half of the season. He actually helped up
14:27 okay but just like ppl saying Lebron could’ve won without leaving …. He’s so good they would be contenders every year . Yes free agents come but no draft picks . No Tyler hero just Lebron
Thats why the corner 3 is the easiest shot in the game because its most of the time a wide open set shot i think jimmy defeated his own purpose with that one.
jokic having a crazy efficient szn too
Man the corner three is not the best shot, I totally agree with jimmy here. Whenever I played basketball the fact I couldn't use the background made my perception of where to shoot and how to shoot it change, and I mean change in a bad way....
Kawhi was #2/3 with curry from '16-'20 (Minus the injury time)
Exactly. I’ve been wondering if anyone else saw that LOW clip. Early spurs Pop was not that good. He was good but wasn’t the Pop we know now
the three bears blew down their house my favorite childhood fable
my favorite second channel of yours
just got you on akinator clique
But it's only based off their rookie season so you wouldn't know if lebron would have got injured or not.
Westbrook was one of the best players when he won the MVP award and at the same time you could say he was a detriment to the Thunders that year because he had the ball too much and didn't get his teammates enough touches which could be looked at as him not actually being a valuable player. The Thunders only won like 47 games that season. The MVP award isn't for the best player, it's for the the most valuable and if Westbrook couldn't get his team more than 47 win then was he really that valuable. Also KD left the Thunder that year so you could say that Westbrook had to carry his team and they only won 47 games because he didn't have any help carrying the team.
What’s good clique
prime steph kd and draymond would be ahead of okc in the west rn.They also had klay iggy and javale mcgee, they dogwalk current west and east with no bench
Imo if stayed n Miami he wouldn’t have gotten two more rings
Idk abt the LeBron heat thing, the heat are what they are because that big three fell apart so idk
I gotta disagree with the 2017 Warriors being the best team of all time - 2014 Spurs would have handled them due to their insane defense IMHO. And their offense was poetry in motion.
Go back and watch the finals that year - it was magic.
Ngl clique you were yapping 6:00
clique you looking tasty bro
Hot take.. I’m picking Kevin Garnett over Tim Duncan
Mf talkin bout the 3 little bears
Idk why but I feel like Victor would sauce Tim up 😭
Link to his video bro, it's only fair.
The LA lakers players after the chip wanted the bag specially dwight. Cousins has pride, kuz also got pride but shoots awful, the rest looks shit aside from lbj and AD. So don't blame bron if you really watch Lakers
WHO HAVE THOUGHT
that a young blood like you
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Warriors take at the end was shit ngl
14:25 had disagree
Tim Duncan the GOAT
(I don't actually believe this I'm just a spurs fan)
Tim Duncan Top 5!!
A lot of Lebron detractors have been saying that he can't be the greatest because of those choices. HIS decisions to leave teams and chase instead of helping build teams up is a mental failure that doesn't matter for most superstars, but if you're making the claim that you're the greatest to ever do it, that's a fundamental part of being a leader, and the lack of that quality is enough for me, and many others, to shut the argument down entirely.
You clearly don't know what 'arguably' means
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Dude trippin how tf did Tim Duncan come into such a great culture that never existed before him ? When he got the spurs Greg was a rookie head coach and the spurs were poverty asf he changed how the nba viewed that team. Yes he has had some great teammates but name me a top 20 player that hasn’t 🤣
It’s not that crazy to say Timmy a top four player of all time. Why is that crazy?
For the same reason people always says. Because he’s so boring and not flashy enough🙄🙄
Very incoherent in the end there lil bro
him acting like Duncan isn't the 4th maybe even 3rd best player ever actually angered me and i hate the spurs so much but he genuinely made 3 HOFers respectfully
meh, I think he is maybe 6 or 7 but not 5.
@@flamefusion8963 who is 5 guys that’s better than him and please don’t say Kobe because that’s just not true
@@princepayne4262 Easy. MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, or Shaq. Nobody thought for a second that Tim was the best player when he played. Meanwhile these guys dominated their respective eras.
@@flamefusion8963 Tim dominated his era too what do you mean? 5-1 in the finals don’t mean nothing? I’ll give you Bron, MJ, KAJ (in that order) but no way you can possibly believe magic, Bird, and shaq I better than Tim. Tim has more in every stat other than points than shaq. His counting stats are better than the last three guys you named while also having better accolades 15 all nbas, all stars, and all defensive teams 3 finals MVP and 2x MVPs while winning rings in 3 different decades and just like Shaq he should have multiple DPOYs. I wanna say after all this tho I respect the opinion there’s no ill will in my reply I just think it’s crazy that Tim is responsible for 5 HOF careers His, Tony, Manu, Kawhi, and Pop and still people won’t give him is respect
@@princepayne4262 saying tim dominated his era is like saying curry dominated his era like no the warriors dominated just like the spurs did its the team
Curry was the weakest mvp ever when he averaged 23 and 7 😂😂😂 harden got robbed
Please watch basketball they still won the series without Kevin Durant
You should watch the rustybuckets kevin durant hater video lol
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Tim Duncan isnt overrated
He clearly is top 5 all time
W vid
For me Russell Westbrooks MVP was pretty bad. Stat padded rebounds and a lot of turn overs to get the asssits. Not the worst - probably bottom 3-4 MVPs.
But you make a good point about Nash, I'm gonna say that was the worst. The season after his two MVPs was actually his best year.
So based off Westbrook; D Rose is probbaly worst 4-5th thos century.
Magic won finals mvp as a rookie 😂
B cuz of one game… kareem was the best player on the lakers for the series. League just wanted to set up their new star
It’s funny how the most agreeable one clique said was the hottest