Hey everyone! Sorry for the day-late upload (1st time in over a year, combo broken!) but we accidentally gave some incorrect information and had to reshoot one of the scenes. (Can you guess which one? :P )
Those were most valuable tips. Thank you. I intend to open an academy here in Niterói, whoever my focus shall be rapiers, sideswords and sabers. You know, elegant stuff.
i love my club. it has this sense of community. makes it feel like we're all just a bunch of people trying to learn a new skill, we all listen to these geeky medieval styles of music in the gym. the instructors are really really nice too, and they have great senses of humour as well, and they happily help and answer our questions. we only officially have longsword for now, some of us do sabre with their own equipment. they might start classes for a second discipline. anyways, its really quite cool. a HUGE improvement over aikido, bullshit techniques that only have justifications and no answers, a stupidly stiff hierarchy. in the HEMA club people arent afraid to say 'i dont know'. and half of our practitioners are doctors/medical students. i miss it.
I'm in North Vancouver, so taking a bus to Burnaby every week isn't possible, but I love what you guys do with a very serious and professional of teaching 👍🏻
That'll be Fiorians, to you Meyer-naisers. Haha! Just kidding, great video guys and gals. You all might just get me to incorporate some Lichtenaur in to my Fiore😉
Amazing video and coincidental. I have been training outdoors for two years and my buddies and I may have finally found an indoor area used by a local Olympic fencing group.
Remember kids: If you need indepth help on techniques there is a patreon teir for single practitioners meaning that for the small cost of your soul you can now learn hema online properly. ;)
As a fencing coach, I touch base with the local HEMA club from time to time. I agree that you should have some formal coaching theory behind the lessons. I have taught some SCA fencers and they had no idea why do you such actions or tactics. Plus you need a core group of dedicated coaches for a club to last. Building coaches takes time and patience.
Hello. Thank you for the great video. Can you advise sources for dagger fencing? I've found some Fiore stuff, but can`t find anything about German dagger.
So, we have one in Springfield, IL. 4 regular members. Everyone has their own equipment. The problem we run into is facility space. We trained at a local outdoor park that is completely free and where the cops don't bother us during the summer months, but now it is winter time in Central Illinois, and outdoor training is becoming problematic. With only for regular members, paying rental fees by charging dues becomes fairly exorbitant. Who did you guys have to partner with in order to find cheap gym space with plenty of overhead room? We aren't part of a local University, and obviously some of the local public schools would have gems, but people get Leary when you talk about a club that involves swinging swords around, and where the members are just people from regular Springfield society and not part of the school.
We mainly use Rawlings at our club and sometimes use feders. I agree that the binding is very different but I'm not sure what bad habits are reinforced by using a Rawlings. If you could let me know I'll try to keep an eye out for that next time we train.
I know you said that you prefer Meyer, but is there a particular translation or version that you prefer? And do you use I.33 for your sword and buckler reference? Thank you for your time!
I know you guys prefer Meyer but, since Meyer focuses on the longsword, what treatise would you recommend to study sword and shield, sword and buckler and sword and dagger (or double swords, if that's a thing)? What about halberds and other pole weapons, should I stick to Meyer or is there a better treatise? And finally, can I use the same techniques for the longsword and the montante?
I am not so much interested in beginning a club. I just am over 100 miles away from the closest club and want to train. Is there a good online course to begin?
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Living in Saskatoon, there are limited options out there. I really appreciate your insight. What are good places to find materials though? Online? Book store?
For things like Meyer, the official book is by far the best, for Lichtenauer I would recommend checking out Wiktenauer. It has a ton of sources and resources on there.
Arthur Herbst I know this is a really late reply but I recently got a blackfencer Rapier and I must say it's a lovely sword - a bit lighter than a steel rapier but that is actually not a bad thing in my opinion especially when starting out it's a bit less exhausting. Especially when you do systems like thibault (or la verdadera destreza in general) where you fight with a right angle arm.
There are lots of great resources online, but we've done a video answering a Patreon question that goes over how to do a proper warm-up here - th-cam.com/video/hJsaMScQVRQ/w-d-xo.html
Oh absolutely. It's a valid concern, but we're of the opinion that it is better to try and save for the proper equipment the first time. Otherwise what happens instead is that the cheaper stuff starts ingraining poor habits, and then you'll have to buy the better stuff anyway. Truth is is that in most other sports/hobbies, gear and equipment gets expensive too. But, at the end of the day, if it's *absolutely* the only option, then yeah! It's way better to get some training in than none :)
Shinai are usually 10 dollars a piece, with some minor mods a quillon can be introduced, and edge alignment can be done, these are nowhere near perfect, but they are the best option if you have next to no money, making the most expensive item to start with your mask, which only run about 60 from absolute fencing. Of course, a mask isnt really needed either. Just wear eye protection and dont spar till youre equipped for it.
Blood and Iron HEMA Completely agree! For myself I saved up to have proper equipment for my personal practice at least, and it's definitely worth it. Getting a group of even a handful of people up to specs is the hard part here. Thanks for the hard work you all do, by the way!
Bearling Yah, I've figured shinai would be best for trying to arm a group of people, and considering how safe they are. But what's a good way to add a quillon to a Shinai?
Lee did do a video about dual wielding swords over on Skallagrim's channel along with Richard Marsden :) - th-cam.com/video/xc8akxwI56s/w-d-xo.html But we may do something in the future
I was thinking of getting into messer. I was considering buying a Rawlings. would you mind explaining why you wouldn't recommend them in more detail? thank you.
(In case they don't respond) they're usually too tip-heavy (unless you get a metal guard/pommel which bumps up the price to equal the other, better options), they're way too slippery so binding feels completely wrong, and they're too floppy (which is safer for thrusting, but people don't think is worth it, and you'll end up practicing with a curved blade a lot of the time). My opinion, they're better than coldsteel and any wooden sword, but they're not good enough to keep on using, so rather than buying a new synthetic after a year just spend a little more to begin with.
You dare insult Italian swordsmanship?! I'm Fiore-ous!! But, seriously, this video was extremely helpful in helping me figure out how to plan out a HEMA club I plan to create. Just one question from a kid with hardly any money: what do you think of a club starting with foam weapons? I don't have a lot of money to burn on both swords and protective equipment, so I'm wondering if that's a viable option.
The reason Meyer guys mock Fiore is that: 1.Hes italian 2.His manuals read like children's books (in contrast to Meyer reading like an engineer's notations) 3.Banter is fun, and also highly germanic.
@Abrar Mukarram Setiawan Well, essay incoming... I still use PVC pipes and motorcycle, paintball gear to spar. Improved a bit so the crossguards and blade portion of the pipe is detachable, replaceble from the hilt/handle, cuz they snap alot. We also tried steel and aluminium pipes. Sometimes under high pressure you forget proper edge allignment and body mechanics since the pipes are so light and rounded. Imported a few blackfencer synthetics. Still saving up to buy protective gear, so for now only low intensity sparring is possible. Gotta buy em in pairs since its just me and one other guy. I tried finding rattan sticks but its just nowhere to be found for longsword length. They are only long enough for stickfighting.
@Abrar Mukarram Setiawan I live in Malaysia and I suspect you might be my countrymen or from Indonesia. There's actually a club here but I live in Sarawak and its in KL so... Funnily enough I did ask around for rattan sticks and they all just told me to go look for in a prison cuz they make alot of those chairs for old people and other kraft tangan. Idk maybe I didn't search hard enough, I was content with pipes and didn't bother after. Thx for the link I'll check it out.
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Hey everyone! Sorry for the day-late upload (1st time in over a year, combo broken!) but we accidentally gave some incorrect information and had to reshoot one of the scenes. (Can you guess which one? :P )
Literally never realized you guys had the same last name before and was wondering why you were all touchy
Same thing man, i just noticed that and read your comment immediately after
There is a lot of grappling in this video.
I love the arm bar Nicole has going at 0:55 . So cute.
I Started my own Hema club last year in Venezuela. Things are going very well :)) we are a group of 5 people now. We just need more swords!!
Where did you got your initial swords from? I would like to start one in Nicaragua hah
I would love to start one in Colombia, where did you get all of the equipment?
So my friend and I are starting a club since the closest one is 8 hours away. Thank you for posting this video.
How's it going now?
Those were most valuable tips. Thank you. I intend to open an academy here in Niterói, whoever my focus shall be rapiers, sideswords and sabers. You know, elegant stuff.
i love my club. it has this sense of community. makes it feel like we're all just a bunch of people trying to learn a new skill, we all listen to these geeky medieval styles of music in the gym. the instructors are really really nice too, and they have great senses of humour as well, and they happily help and answer our questions. we only officially have longsword for now, some of us do sabre with their own equipment. they might start classes for a second discipline.
anyways, its really quite cool. a HUGE improvement over aikido, bullshit techniques that only have justifications and no answers, a stupidly stiff hierarchy. in the HEMA club people arent afraid to say 'i dont know'. and half of our practitioners are doctors/medical students. i miss it.
I'm in North Vancouver, so taking a bus to Burnaby every week isn't possible, but I love what you guys do with a very serious and professional of teaching 👍🏻
That'll be Fiorians, to you Meyer-naisers. Haha! Just kidding, great video guys and gals. You all might just get me to incorporate some Lichtenaur in to my Fiore😉
Amazing video and coincidental. I have been training outdoors for two years and my buddies and I may have finally found an indoor area used by a local Olympic fencing group.
Remember kids: If you need indepth help on techniques there is a patreon teir for single practitioners meaning that for the small cost of your soul you can now learn hema online properly. ;)
As a fencing coach, I touch base with the local HEMA club from time to time.
I agree that you should have some formal coaching theory behind the lessons. I have taught some SCA fencers and they had no idea why do you such actions or tactics.
Plus you need a core group of dedicated coaches for a club to last. Building coaches takes time and patience.
Great video once again.
Hello. Thank you for the great video. Can you advise sources for dagger fencing? I've found some Fiore stuff, but can`t find anything about German dagger.
Great video. Thanks for putting this together for us, and for the other great videos you've produced.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thanks guys.
Sorry, what are you doing with the steels to shred them within 2-3 months??
Good advice and I love your mug😻
Do you Guys teach mainly German and Italian Swordsmanship? Do you Guys incorporate other Traditional European Martial Arts?
Ohhhhh I'd like to start a HEMA club in Brazil so badly
Did you get a chance to check out blackfencers rapiers?
Thanks for sharing .
So, we have one in Springfield, IL. 4 regular members. Everyone has their own equipment.
The problem we run into is facility space. We trained at a local outdoor park that is completely free and where the cops don't bother us during the summer months, but now it is winter time in Central Illinois, and outdoor training is becoming problematic. With only for regular members, paying rental fees by charging dues becomes fairly exorbitant. Who did you guys have to partner with in order to find cheap gym space with plenty of overhead room? We aren't part of a local University, and obviously some of the local public schools would have gems, but people get Leary when you talk about a club that involves swinging swords around, and where the members are just people from regular Springfield society and not part of the school.
Great video! thanks for the info!
PD: Fiore Rules!
We mainly use Rawlings at our club and sometimes use feders. I agree that the binding is very different but I'm not sure what bad habits are reinforced by using a Rawlings. If you could let me know I'll try to keep an eye out for that next time we train.
Question. Who was the first HEMA practitioner and what was their motive for wanting to recreate and safely practice medieval combat?
I know you said that you prefer Meyer, but is there a particular translation or version that you prefer? And do you use I.33 for your sword and buckler reference? Thank you for your time!
Hey, Fiore isn't half bad! Us Fiorists shower daily (I hope). We aren't dirty!
very very motivational!
I know you guys prefer Meyer but, since Meyer focuses on the longsword, what treatise would you recommend to study sword and shield, sword and buckler and sword and dagger (or double swords, if that's a thing)? What about halberds and other pole weapons, should I stick to Meyer or is there a better treatise? And finally, can I use the same techniques for the longsword and the montante?
I am not so much interested in beginning a club. I just am over 100 miles away from the closest club and want to train. Is there a good online course to begin?
Any book for sword and buckler to recommend?
do you guys practice anything from the early medieval period? I noticed you guys practice with the buckler a lot. what about the shield?
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Living in Saskatoon, there are limited options out there. I really appreciate your insight. What are good places to find materials though? Online? Book store?
For things like Meyer, the official book is by far the best, for Lichtenauer I would recommend checking out Wiktenauer. It has a ton of sources and resources on there.
Can you share a link for the armory that you recommended for the rapier?
+Austin Hill: It's castillearmory.com/
I've heard the blackfencer synthetic rapiers are pretty good though.
Arthur Herbst I know this is a really late reply but I recently got a blackfencer Rapier and I must say it's a lovely sword - a bit lighter than a steel rapier but that is actually not a bad thing in my opinion especially when starting out it's a bit less exhausting. Especially when you do systems like thibault (or la verdadera destreza in general) where you fight with a right angle arm.
Hi, i want to train... There are any kind of excrcise por stretchin before start?
There are lots of great resources online, but we've done a video answering a Patreon question that goes over how to do a proper warm-up here - th-cam.com/video/hJsaMScQVRQ/w-d-xo.html
Great thanks
Great video!
Keep in mind though that to start a club $100 for the sword alone can be pricey!
RKcousins625 depends who u are
Oh absolutely. It's a valid concern, but we're of the opinion that it is better to try and save for the proper equipment the first time. Otherwise what happens instead is that the cheaper stuff starts ingraining poor habits, and then you'll have to buy the better stuff anyway. Truth is is that in most other sports/hobbies, gear and equipment gets expensive too.
But, at the end of the day, if it's *absolutely* the only option, then yeah! It's way better to get some training in than none :)
Shinai are usually 10 dollars a piece, with some minor mods a quillon can be introduced, and edge alignment can be done, these are nowhere near perfect, but they are the best option if you have next to no money, making the most expensive item to start with your mask, which only run about 60 from absolute fencing.
Of course, a mask isnt really needed either. Just wear eye protection and dont spar till youre equipped for it.
Blood and Iron HEMA Completely agree! For myself I saved up to have proper equipment for my personal practice at least, and it's definitely worth it. Getting a group of even a handful of people up to specs is the hard part here.
Thanks for the hard work you all do, by the way!
Bearling Yah, I've figured shinai would be best for trying to arm a group of people, and considering how safe they are. But what's a good way to add a quillon to a Shinai?
Fiesta comentary. Good vídeo, i really like hema. Please a vídeo of dual weilding
bboy aquila buda boys crew th-cam.com/video/xc8akxwI56s/w-d-xo.html
Lee did do a video about dual wielding swords over on Skallagrim's channel along with Richard Marsden :) - th-cam.com/video/xc8akxwI56s/w-d-xo.html
But we may do something in the future
I was thinking of getting into messer. I was considering buying a Rawlings. would you mind explaining why you wouldn't recommend them in more detail? thank you.
(In case they don't respond) they're usually too tip-heavy (unless you get a metal guard/pommel which bumps up the price to equal the other, better options), they're way too slippery so binding feels completely wrong, and they're too floppy (which is safer for thrusting, but people don't think is worth it, and you'll end up practicing with a curved blade a lot of the time). My opinion, they're better than coldsteel and any wooden sword, but they're not good enough to keep on using, so rather than buying a new synthetic after a year just spend a little more to begin with.
EuropeanHistories Two videos on the TH-cam channel SKALLAGRIM ('synthetic swords') have some discussion on this.
thank you both
Also, Rawlings cross-guards will stop absolutely nothing from hitting your hands. Ask me how I know...
how do you know? also could you recommend some good messer synthetics?
You dare insult Italian swordsmanship?! I'm Fiore-ous!!
But, seriously, this video was extremely helpful in helping me figure out how to plan out a HEMA club I plan to create. Just one question from a kid with hardly any money: what do you think of a club starting with foam weapons? I don't have a lot of money to burn on both swords and protective equipment, so I'm wondering if that's a viable option.
I like Fiore though
;)
Wait till Richard finds out about this
The reason Meyer guys mock Fiore is that:
1.Hes italian
2.His manuals read like children's books (in contrast to Meyer reading like an engineer's notations)
3.Banter is fun, and also highly germanic.
I could see that
:D
It's gonna take massive amounts of dough just to import these equipment in my country. :( I suppose PVC pipes will have to do for now.
@Abrar Mukarram Setiawan Well, essay incoming... I still use PVC pipes and motorcycle, paintball gear to spar. Improved a bit so the crossguards and blade portion of the pipe is detachable, replaceble from the hilt/handle, cuz they snap alot. We also tried steel and aluminium pipes.
Sometimes under high pressure you forget proper edge allignment and body mechanics since the pipes are so light and rounded.
Imported a few blackfencer synthetics. Still saving up to buy protective gear, so for now only low intensity sparring is possible. Gotta buy em in pairs since its just me and one other guy. I tried finding rattan sticks but its just nowhere to be found for longsword length. They are only long enough for stickfighting.
@Abrar Mukarram Setiawan I live in Malaysia and I suspect you might be my countrymen or from Indonesia. There's actually a club here but I live in Sarawak and its in KL so...
Funnily enough I did ask around for rattan sticks and they all just told me to go look for in a prison cuz they make alot of those chairs for old people and other kraft tangan. Idk maybe I didn't search hard enough, I was content with pipes and didn't bother after.
Thx for the link I'll check it out.
She has a very "teacher" voice
A dawwww.
Why do you always trash the Italian system????
What you need to start a HEMA Club
1. Neck
2. Beard
3. Glasses
4. Ponytail
5. Beer gut
6. Fedora
7. Trench coat
8. Wallet chain
9. Kyphosis
10. Poor hygiene
☻
more like "how to find a potential metokur target"
Aren't those plans more into Katana than Eroupean stuff?