I really enjoyed this video. I'm really happy that the mighty algorithm decided to point me in the way of your channel as I enjoy both KaM and minmaxing. I watched a KaM multiplayer tournament hosted by a twitch streamer that had the following rules: 30 minutes of peace time, the first unit you produce must be a mounted unit. The games took part on a few maps for example Amphibian. I would love to see you approach such a challenge and see how you do.
A lot of good stuff is coming from me. This build was *without* any KaM game-balance tools like: th-cam.com/video/662AS9BhIMs/w-d-xo.html (Part 1) and th-cam.com/video/TZ75ezm5ZDk/w-d-xo.html (Part 2). Or my *Build Order* tool (coming hopefully sooner than later). I will use those tools to do a variety of challenges (and teach everyone how to do the same).
There's even a newer version out which it's much easier to build than in this one! (Starvation is much less of an issue to.) release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/AjTxJWRjmpYD3M4
Wow! absolutely incredible! Tell me, how did you avoid starving to death without any bakeries or mills? Are they not as efficient as sausages? It seems like I starved in like map 5 and (i think) 7 so i always worried about food the most. I especially love the way you selectively placed the roads in the beginning to avoid builders blocking the road for serfs with stone, and to prepare for next building placement. Oh, also, I was already building pikemen with my iron intuitively, but are archers + pikemen really the most efficient unit comp? What about crossbowmen? Also can you explain a bit more about "nested" vs "organized" town? How would "organized" town look?
*Wow! absolutely incredible!* Thanks. *Tell me, how did you avoid starving to death without any bakeries or mills?* Well, I lost villagers due to starvation later. But probably the reason why I didn't lose them to starvation during the first 60 minutes is because: [1] I didn't train units as often as other people do. [2] I built my inn literally as late as one possibly can without losing my initial serfs/laborers to starvation. (So that "bought" me time.) *Are they not as efficient as sausages?* I did an in-depth analysis of the food in the inn for the most up-to-date game versions, but not r6720. But in all versions, sausages are the most filling, yes. *I especially love the way you selectively placed the roads in the beginning to avoid builders blocking the road for serfs with stone, and to prepare for next building placement* Thanks. That's (obviously) one thing to do to help efficiency. *Oh, also, I was already building pikemen with my iron intuitively, but are archers + pikemen really the most efficient unit comp? What about crossbowmen?* Well, an equally efficient would be the reverse of iron and leather: crossbowmen and lance carriers. But I chose pikemen instead of crossbowmen because of the knights in this mission. But you could equally make half pikemen, half crossbowmen, half bowmen, half lance carriers if you wanted to. (26 - 27 of each)
@@4EverTrying Nice. This gives me hope of penetrating through to higher levels of KaM original campaign :D It's like every time i reinstall after a year or two, i get a little closer to beating TSK campaign. So do you ever build swordsmen or knights? Or is it really just a luxury item that wastes time and resources as I imagine? Do you know if anyone is working on the next version of kam remake?
@@uuamenator *This gives me hope of penetrating through to higher levels of KaM original campaign* This is actually one of the hardest missions because you don't start with trees to cut. So I hope that gives you even more hope! *So do you ever build swordsmen or knights? Or is it really just a luxury item that wastes time and resources as I imagine?* Knights are very useful for flanking bowmen/crossbowmen. So in missions where you are getting attacked with many crossbowmen, having at least 6 is a good amount. But in missions where there is a narrow passageway to the enemy's base, where on each side are crossbowmen, they can come in handy too. With people who play in multiplayer (it's really popular right now for r6720 but not later versions), they prefer to make bowmen + swordsmen. (That's the standard army.) *Do you know if anyone is working on the next version of kam remake?* Yes. Currently though, he is taking a break, but the latest version is actually *r14787* . To download it, [1] Make a Discord account. [2] Go to Kamremake.com and click on the Discord invite link (and accept the invite). (The link is under the donation button.) [3] Once you get to the kam remake discord channel, go find the #new_versions tab to the left. Click on it and scroll to the bottom (latest post). There will be a download link. *But* if you don't want to go through all of that trouble, I have *r13651* (a relatively recent version) available in this video's video description th-cam.com/video/h4eFq51-i-Q/w-d-xo.html The newest version is NOT "stable". Meaning something like "it's good for Single Player and Co-op, but not for multiplayer" or something like that.
@@4EverTrying Thanks! Singleplayer is perfect, because that's all i'm interested in with KaM. I might try that discord at some point too. This has been a pleasure, wish all my comment exchanges on youtube were this productive :D Good day to u sir.
@@4EverTrying When coming back to this game as an adult vs when I was a kid, I can see I look at things differently. Rather than waiting for serfs to walk around when blocked by laborers building roads, I did the same thing, selectively placing them down to avoid this. Nice to see I am no alone in thinking this. And indeed, Sausages are the best food source but it might not be the most efficient to produce. You need grain to grow, to send to the swine farm, wait for swine to grow and then make sausage. But from 1 swine you get 3 sausages. Bakery is the same chains: grain - mill - baker, you get 2 bread but it is faster. Wine takes longer to build but it grows faster and you get 2 barrels from 1 harvest. I think wine is the best investment for feeding armies. 0 chains, only vintner needed. Edit: Oops you only get 1 barrel per harvest, my bad :D
If you ever want to try it out again, then what works for me is to have at least 2 inns, both of which contain just *one food type* , preferably sausage, but bread loaves is okay. And putting the inns in the center of the town is also ideal. And if you have a choice to place them near a storehouse (that contains stored food), put it directly above or below it (have the door of the inn and door of the storehouse aligned), so that the serfs will resupply the inn from both sides (have roads on both sides of the inn). There are actually more recent versions than *r6720* , called "beta versions" which include the Town Hall building (and units . . . barbarians, warriors, rogues, vagabonds, and rebels) and many good single maps. For example, *r14787* release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/dPsr3y8ZFGYyxWo . (It's the second-to-most recent version that I happen to have a download link to.) There are other various improvements such as being able to skip forward in replays, "retire"/fire villagers (especially good to get rid of soon-to-be hungry laborers after you're finished building), block a house from getting an occupant, improved graphics and zoom, much improved game stats (resources, units lost distribution, etc., in real-time), etc.
Played it as a child and some what enjoyed it playing now. Problem is that the game is so slow, which you can handle the first missions, but at the final stretch I was literally clawing my eyes out at how slow everything was. At least the expansion was extremely slow as all missions were fairly difficult and you needed at least a decent army. Another thing that kind of sucks with the game is that its developed in a way where you can kind of have to cheese it, at least for me there is no real other way, unless you want to prolong the game even further. So the same scenario happens every time where you lure the enemy army out of the camp where they become a mess.
Assuming you are playing in the Remake, the F6, F7, and F8 keys. Press the F6 to increase 3 fold, F7 to increase 6 fold, and F8 to increase 10 fold. Once you press any of these keys, to make it return to normal, simply press that same key again.
24 builders? makes sense, but were you able to keep from running out of food? sometimes I feel like when I make too many serfs and workers too soon I run out of food.
I would have certainly run out of food if the game would have lasted longer than what it did. *I provided the replay for you to view yourself to see. Check the video description.*
If you don't already have a legal (purchased) copy of Knights and Merchants on your computer (this cannot be played on cellphones, ipads, etc... on computers!), then you must either purchase the original game. (You will not be able to play any version of the Remake if you don't... The Remake developers are against piracy.) You can purchase the game either from GOG: www.gog.com/en/game/knights_and_merchants_the_peasants_rebellion Or the Steam version from: store.steampowered.com/app/253900/Knights_and_Merchants/ Once you do, if you want to play the Remake version that you see in this video (r6720), www.kamremake.com/files/kam_remake_full_r6720-exe/?tmstv=1705663041 But if you want the absolute latest version as of today (r15122), release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/AjTxJWRjmpYD3M4 If you want to play multiplayer, then r6720 is what you want. If you want to play single player and/or co-op, then r15122 is what you want.
I couldn't. This was a build from r6720, where that feature was not yet available (and building efficient towns is much harder than the recent Remake versions).
@@MiloliM *ow I'm playin'this game for 26 years* That's great to hear! I too have been playing it (off and on) for 25 years. *Fanmade update adds hovel, check KaM Expansion v1.0. This is Cultures plus KaM* Oh yeah. I'm aware of that mod, but am currently too busy trying to improve the AI of the official Remake (as well as work on some tools to help with optimizing build) to have any interest to play with the new buildings, the walls, etc., for which that mod has.
looooooooool, i just played THAT same mission and after it found first KAM video and it is same mission. I dont worry that u have no food- its okey, but u dont understand how u get enough wood for lamber and buildings???? i have 16 foresters and its not enough ....... also question - if u place road or buildings on сoal did u lose some of it?
*also question - if u place road or buildings on сoal did u lose some of it* When you build on top of the coal and then destroy the building, the coal will lose its black color, but the coal will not be ruined. (You can put coal mines on that coal, and they will still mine all that could be mined as if you never built on it in the first place.)
preety bad build. In this mission the best is on de hardes difficulty halabardiers chrosbowmans and mass towers and if u wanna cheeky play send 1 horse to towers let them use stones tan attak tower leed them north and run into city of green with 5 horese
*preety bad build* If this is a "bad" build, what army size at 60 minutes is considered "normal" to you? And what army size is considered "good"? *hardes difficultyy* That tells me that you are comparing a build done in one of the Remake versions newer than r6720. It's *harder* to build efficiently in this version. And starvation is a greater threat in r6720 also. *mass towers* I don't recall any player who builds mass towers having any skill to build a sufficiently large army to defend from the enemy. (And good luck with that building style if you ever go to multiplayer.) *and if u wanna cheeky play send 1 horse to towers let them use stones tan attak tower leed them north and run into city of green with 5 horese* I think I already know how to win this mission with "cheeky play". In fact, it is probably you who can learn something from me, if you want to talk about "cheeky play": th-cam.com/video/EFoyeyuZn_Y/w-d-xo.html
@@Eric-yn5nk Thanks, but I'm still curious what army size achieved at 60 minutes is normal if 106 is bad. (I'm trying to improve building.) But if you like my cheeky play, you will probably enjoy this one a lot: th-cam.com/video/jNbHkjPkCyw/w-d-xo.html (Hardest building & fighting map ever made... for latest remake versions.)
this is building a base for multiplayer, in this campaign you can also build for food because it is very simple, but in more difficult campaigns such as The Horror of the Feudal Vanity, building in this way is necessary to complete the missions because they are very difficult @4EverTrying good job, beautiful army my man
Where does the merchants part of this game fit in? Had this on my wishlist since forever but could never bring myself to buy it. The gameplay just looks so sterile and soulless. That and the base building is so messy and unorganized, not to mention ugly. That's saying a lot considering I play mostly old decrepit games.
The original game had no sign of merchants. (And nothing at all from what you see in this mission.) But in the remake, they did add a market building. So that at least makes merchants more relevant. (And custom scripts can/have been written for trading between players, I believe.) But yeah, other than that, I'm as surprised as you about the title of the game.
game gets annoying later wen you must support troops by sending workers to bring food to the army. And each workers can carry food for only 1 unit of troops that's absurd and make me quit the game.
For me, it's great, because the mechanics of the game forces the player to manage every aspect of the fight. On the real battlefield, a topic of chain of supplies is very important, and it isn't very often touched by video games.
![Knights and Merchants TSK 9 [1:10:00] || LOSSLESS](/img/n.gif)
I really enjoyed this video. I'm really happy that the mighty algorithm decided to point me in the way of your channel as I enjoy both KaM and minmaxing. I watched a KaM multiplayer tournament hosted by a twitch streamer that had the following rules: 30 minutes of peace time, the first unit you produce must be a mounted unit. The games took part on a few maps for example Amphibian. I would love to see you approach such a challenge and see how you do.
A lot of good stuff is coming from me. This build was *without* any KaM game-balance tools like: th-cam.com/video/662AS9BhIMs/w-d-xo.html (Part 1) and th-cam.com/video/TZ75ezm5ZDk/w-d-xo.html (Part 2). Or my *Build Order* tool (coming hopefully sooner than later).
I will use those tools to do a variety of challenges (and teach everyone how to do the same).
Used to love this game back then but it took too much time to move and to build. Im glad they sped it up.
There's even a newer version out which it's much easier to build than in this one! (Starvation is much less of an issue to.) release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/AjTxJWRjmpYD3M4
it still runs the same pace. there is a function where you can speed it up to two speeds using the F6 and F7 keys :)
What a time to be alive. So much memories!
how to improve the experience: Open a 2nd tab and play KAM music while watching this video.
I loved this game growing up!
Game of my childhood
Finally found it!
Wow! absolutely incredible!
Tell me, how did you avoid starving to death without any bakeries or mills? Are they not as efficient as sausages? It seems like I starved in like map 5 and (i think) 7 so i always worried about food the most. I especially love the way you selectively placed the roads in the beginning to avoid builders blocking the road for serfs with stone, and to prepare for next building placement.
Oh, also, I was already building pikemen with my iron intuitively, but are archers + pikemen really the most efficient unit comp? What about crossbowmen?
Also can you explain a bit more about "nested" vs "organized" town? How would "organized" town look?
*Wow! absolutely incredible!*
Thanks.
*Tell me, how did you avoid starving to death without any bakeries or mills?*
Well, I lost villagers due to starvation later. But probably the reason why I didn't lose them to starvation during the first 60 minutes is because:
[1] I didn't train units as often as other people do.
[2] I built my inn literally as late as one possibly can without losing my initial serfs/laborers to starvation. (So that "bought" me time.)
*Are they not as efficient as sausages?*
I did an in-depth analysis of the food in the inn for the most up-to-date game versions, but not r6720. But in all versions, sausages are the most filling, yes.
*I especially love the way you selectively placed the roads in the beginning to avoid builders blocking the road for serfs with stone, and to prepare for next building placement*
Thanks. That's (obviously) one thing to do to help efficiency.
*Oh, also, I was already building pikemen with my iron intuitively, but are archers + pikemen really the most efficient unit comp? What about crossbowmen?*
Well, an equally efficient would be the reverse of iron and leather: crossbowmen and lance carriers. But I chose pikemen instead of crossbowmen because of the knights in this mission. But you could equally make half pikemen, half crossbowmen, half bowmen, half lance carriers if you wanted to. (26 - 27 of each)
@@4EverTrying Nice. This gives me hope of penetrating through to higher levels of KaM original campaign :D It's like every time i reinstall after a year or two, i get a little closer to beating TSK campaign.
So do you ever build swordsmen or knights? Or is it really just a luxury item that wastes time and resources as I imagine?
Do you know if anyone is working on the next version of kam remake?
@@uuamenator
*This gives me hope of penetrating through to higher levels of KaM original campaign*
This is actually one of the hardest missions because you don't start with trees to cut. So I hope that gives you even more hope!
*So do you ever build swordsmen or knights? Or is it really just a luxury item that wastes time and resources as I imagine?*
Knights are very useful for flanking bowmen/crossbowmen. So in missions where you are getting attacked with many crossbowmen, having at least 6 is a good amount. But in missions where there is a narrow passageway to the enemy's base, where on each side are crossbowmen, they can come in handy too.
With people who play in multiplayer (it's really popular right now for r6720 but not later versions), they prefer to make bowmen + swordsmen. (That's the standard army.)
*Do you know if anyone is working on the next version of kam remake?*
Yes. Currently though, he is taking a break, but the latest version is actually *r14787* . To download it,
[1] Make a Discord account.
[2] Go to Kamremake.com and click on the Discord invite link (and accept the invite). (The link is under the donation button.)
[3] Once you get to the kam remake discord channel, go find the #new_versions tab to the left. Click on it and scroll to the bottom (latest post). There will be a download link.
*But* if you don't want to go through all of that trouble, I have *r13651* (a relatively recent version) available in this video's video description th-cam.com/video/h4eFq51-i-Q/w-d-xo.html
The newest version is NOT "stable". Meaning something like "it's good for Single Player and Co-op, but not for multiplayer" or something like that.
@@4EverTrying Thanks! Singleplayer is perfect, because that's all i'm interested in with KaM. I might try that discord at some point too.
This has been a pleasure, wish all my comment exchanges on youtube were this productive :D Good day to u sir.
@@4EverTrying When coming back to this game as an adult vs when I was a kid, I can see I look at things differently. Rather than waiting for serfs to walk around when blocked by laborers building roads, I did the same thing, selectively placing them down to avoid this. Nice to see I am no alone in thinking this. And indeed, Sausages are the best food source but it might not be the most efficient to produce. You need grain to grow, to send to the swine farm, wait for swine to grow and then make sausage. But from 1 swine you get 3 sausages. Bakery is the same chains: grain - mill - baker, you get 2 bread but it is faster.
Wine takes longer to build but it grows faster and you get 2 barrels from 1 harvest. I think wine is the best investment for feeding armies. 0 chains, only vintner needed.
Edit: Oops you only get 1 barrel per harvest, my bad :D
Great game. Absolutely loved playing it but no matter what I did I kept running out of food. Hungry Ba@#ards in this game 😆
If you ever want to try it out again, then what works for me is to have at least 2 inns, both of which contain just *one food type* , preferably sausage, but bread loaves is okay. And putting the inns in the center of the town is also ideal. And if you have a choice to place them near a storehouse (that contains stored food), put it directly above or below it (have the door of the inn and door of the storehouse aligned), so that the serfs will resupply the inn from both sides (have roads on both sides of the inn).
There are actually more recent versions than *r6720* , called "beta versions" which include the Town Hall building (and units . . . barbarians, warriors, rogues, vagabonds, and rebels) and many good single maps. For example, *r14787* release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/dPsr3y8ZFGYyxWo . (It's the second-to-most recent version that I happen to have a download link to.) There are other various improvements such as being able to skip forward in replays, "retire"/fire villagers (especially good to get rid of soon-to-be hungry laborers after you're finished building), block a house from getting an occupant, improved graphics and zoom, much improved game stats (resources, units lost distribution, etc., in real-time), etc.
@@4EverTrying very helpful advice. Thanks! Im gonna download it this weekend and give it a go.
Played it as a child and some what enjoyed it playing now. Problem is that the game is so slow, which you can handle the first missions, but at the final stretch I was literally clawing my eyes out at how slow everything was. At least the expansion was extremely slow as all missions were fairly difficult and you needed at least a decent army. Another thing that kind of sucks with the game is that its developed in a way where you can kind of have to cheese it, at least for me there is no real other way, unless you want to prolong the game even further. So the same scenario happens every time where you lure the enemy army out of the camp where they become a mess.
Who else is jamming to this?
how do you zoom in and out ?
It's the remake (not the original game). With scroll on mouse. "KaM Remake".
How do you speed up the game?
Assuming you are playing in the Remake, the F6, F7, and F8 keys. Press the F6 to increase 3 fold, F7 to increase 6 fold, and F8 to increase 10 fold. Once you press any of these keys, to make it return to normal, simply press that same key again.
@@4EverTrying I am, Thank you very much :)
Guys, can anyone help with installing KaM Remake on mac air m1? I would really appreciate your help)
same problem. Without a solution so far...
24 builders? makes sense, but were you able to keep from running out of food? sometimes I feel like when I make too many serfs and workers too soon I run out of food.
I would have certainly run out of food if the game would have lasted longer than what it did. *I provided the replay for you to view yourself to see. Check the video description.*
wow, perfect
plaes help link downlaod game
If you don't already have a legal (purchased) copy of Knights and Merchants on your computer (this cannot be played on cellphones, ipads, etc... on computers!), then you must either purchase the original game. (You will not be able to play any version of the Remake if you don't... The Remake developers are against piracy.)
You can purchase the game either from GOG:
www.gog.com/en/game/knights_and_merchants_the_peasants_rebellion
Or the Steam version from:
store.steampowered.com/app/253900/Knights_and_Merchants/
Once you do, if you want to play the Remake version that you see in this video (r6720),
www.kamremake.com/files/kam_remake_full_r6720-exe/?tmstv=1705663041
But if you want the absolute latest version as of today (r15122),
release.knightsprovince.com/index.php/s/AjTxJWRjmpYD3M4
If you want to play multiplayer, then r6720 is what you want. If you want to play single player and/or co-op, then r15122 is what you want.
There you go Bro for free freegogpcgames.com/1907/knights-and-merchants-the-peasants-rebellion/
why did't you fire unless workers?
I couldn't. This was a build from r6720, where that feature was not yet available (and building efficient towns is much harder than the recent Remake versions).
@@4EverTrying ow I'm playin'this game for 26 years. Fanmade update adds hovel, check KaM Expansion v1.0. This is Cultures plus KaM
I mean this is wonderfiul after this shitty time
@@MiloliM *ow I'm playin'this game for 26 years*
That's great to hear! I too have been playing it (off and on) for 25 years.
*Fanmade update adds hovel, check KaM Expansion v1.0. This is Cultures plus KaM*
Oh yeah. I'm aware of that mod, but am currently too busy trying to improve the AI of the official Remake (as well as work on some tools to help with optimizing build) to have any interest to play with the new buildings, the walls, etc., for which that mod has.
looooooooool, i just played THAT same mission and after it found first KAM video and it is same mission. I dont worry that u have no food- its okey, but u dont understand how u get enough wood for lamber and buildings???? i have 16 foresters and its not enough ....... also question - if u place road or buildings on сoal did u lose some of it?
*also question - if u place road or buildings on сoal did u lose some of it*
When you build on top of the coal and then destroy the building, the coal will lose its black color, but the coal will not be ruined. (You can put coal mines on that coal, and they will still mine all that could be mined as if you never built on it in the first place.)
@@4EverTrying Wow I never knew this as a kid, I always build on the edge of the coal.
where do you download this game?
Steam for the base game. Google KaM Remake for the fan made patch.
TOP!
muy bueno
that doesnt work. PEACE time is 30 minutes and u have nothing at 30 minute
This is not good, you suppose to be running out of food. Where is your farmers and mills and wine????
preety bad build. In this mission the best is on de hardes difficulty halabardiers chrosbowmans and mass towers and if u wanna cheeky play send 1 horse to towers let them use stones tan attak tower leed them north and run into city of green with 5 horese
*preety bad build*
If this is a "bad" build, what army size at 60 minutes is considered "normal" to you? And what army size is considered "good"?
*hardes difficultyy*
That tells me that you are comparing a build done in one of the Remake versions newer than r6720. It's *harder* to build efficiently in this version. And starvation is a greater threat in r6720 also.
*mass towers*
I don't recall any player who builds mass towers having any skill to build a sufficiently large army to defend from the enemy. (And good luck with that building style if you ever go to multiplayer.)
*and if u wanna cheeky play send 1 horse to towers let them use stones tan attak tower leed them north and run into city of green with 5 horese*
I think I already know how to win this mission with "cheeky play". In fact, it is probably you who can learn something from me, if you want to talk about "cheeky play": th-cam.com/video/EFoyeyuZn_Y/w-d-xo.html
@@4EverTrying fine i saw ur link to 14 mission u have some skill
@@Eric-yn5nk Thanks, but I'm still curious what army size achieved at 60 minutes is normal if 106 is bad. (I'm trying to improve building.) But if you like my cheeky play, you will probably enjoy this one a lot: th-cam.com/video/jNbHkjPkCyw/w-d-xo.html (Hardest building & fighting map ever made... for latest remake versions.)
this is building a base for multiplayer, in this campaign you can also build for food because it is very simple, but in more difficult campaigns such as The Horror of the Feudal Vanity, building in this way is necessary to complete the missions because they are very difficult
@4EverTrying good job, beautiful army my man
Sorry but ..naah
Where does the merchants part of this game fit in? Had this on my wishlist since forever but could never bring myself to buy it. The gameplay just looks so sterile and soulless. That and the base building is so messy and unorganized, not to mention ugly. That's saying a lot considering I play mostly old decrepit games.
The original game had no sign of merchants. (And nothing at all from what you see in this mission.) But in the remake, they did add a market building. So that at least makes merchants more relevant. (And custom scripts can/have been written for trading between players, I believe.) But yeah, other than that, I'm as surprised as you about the title of the game.
You just lose every mission it seems 😂
game gets annoying later wen you must support troops by sending workers to bring food to the army. And each workers can carry food for only 1 unit of troops that's absurd and make me quit the game.
For me, it's great, because the mechanics of the game forces the player to manage every aspect of the fight. On the real battlefield, a topic of chain of supplies is very important, and it isn't very often touched by video games.
thats not annoying, thats reasonable. just ignore it