loved that intro seeker great work! personaly I love the viggen just such a fun plane but it is not the best in sustained dogfights. But thank you so much for this great vid and I cant wait for the a 10 vid in a few weeks keep up the great work!
At 4:32 you saw the radar latch onto the ground. Thats one of my techniques to avoiding radar missiles is to stick to treetop level which will force the missile to track the ground regardless if youre in PD mode or not. I have no idea if this is a bug, but its been here ever since the introduction of PD radars.
It’s not a bug. iirc this is called “multipath propagation” and basically causes exactly what you said; the radar locks a “ghost target” either above or below the _actual_ target (in War Thunder’s case, always below). More modern radars are able to discern which targets are the real ones and which are false by knowing where the ground is and realizing that the enemy jet can’t possibly be in the ground, so it rejects them.
@@tavolo2969 notching would be flying perpendicular to the launch aircraft in order for the doppler gate to reject you as ground clutter. This is something completely different, as the enemy was flying head on, meaning notching had nothing to do with this situation.
hi! i'm an avid viggen pilot the viggen not having tracers is actually fairly accurate, historically. the fire rate on the gun is really slow, so you can generally prefire VERY early and it won't waste your ammo. the viggen rewards playing passively. i like to call it "the rat playstyle". i scrape along the ground, around the side of the map, and come in behind and get people who are heading home, or just getting out of dogfights. i like to keep my speed above mach and rip through the furball that usually goes on in the middle of the map, mopping up kills as i go. my main goal being to not allow more people to join the main furball. i'd recommend trying this playstyle out as it works really well for me.
19:40 ran outta flares, was paying attention and tried to turn of my engine. I've been loving rhe f5e as you reccomended but got too comfortable spamming flares and that habit got me killed in my f4 a couple games.
The reason why the Viggen has no tracers is because the gun is supposed to be aimed via a lead indicator on the HUD. That indicator is not even present in first person mode. In a War Thunder context this realism aspect is just stupid. A third person lead indicator would obviously be a little silly, so just give it tracer belts Gaijin. Please.
What happened w the missile has to do with how gaijin models radar for very low to the ground targets. For whatever reason if something that’s being locked with radar is very close to the ground the lock won’t break w pulse doppler but the lock will move towards the ground off of the target. This is most noticeable and annoying when trying to radar lock helicopters in ground rb but in air rb what it basically means is that radar missiles will almost always miss super low targets like that a7
It has to do with the fact that since the aircraft is so low to the ground, the reflections of the radar's signals by the ground towards the radar receiver become very significant, making it look from the radar's perspective the aircraft is coming from the ground. The radar's in game can't differentiate very well between this false (ground reflection) return and the correct (aircraft reflection) return, at least not when very close to the ground. And since this false return moves at the same speed as the aircraft, SARH missiles like the sparrow which use speed gates also get fooled by it, I'm not sure about "pulse" signal SARH missiles, but they lose lock anyways due to huge amounts of ground clutter. Google "multipath propagation" for a visual example.
Holy crap that intro was amazing. Wonderfully cinematic. Perhaps with a more classical sound? Something to give it some gravitas because the footage was perfect.
Great to see you take a look at the jet I suggested mate it’s a true diamond in the meta right now…please take a deep look at the J8-b when it comes this patch it will be my fav
The primary reason the viggen has no tracers (at least irl) is because the viggen actually had a system built into its onboard computers that effectively autoaimed the aircraft in order to hit a designated target, this included air targets. Of course in game this mechanic doesn't exist of course but it does need some form of lead indicator to make the gun a bit easier to aim.
Depends on how they come into the game. Currently on the Dev server, the 9L is so gimped that there’s no reason it couldn’t have already been in the game and just given every plane it’s rightful all aspects.
Intro was good. Maybe little long but o/a it was cool. Another great video tho. Love the viggen, its just a hella sexy plane, wish i could fly it like you :(((((((
Would prefer no intro personally. Maybe do short cinematic intros (shorter than in this video) for say your first time reviewing a jet or something but not revisits? Idk, just an idea, I'd rather you just get after it tho, I am here for the gameplay after all, not a cinematic. It's up to you obviously to decide what you want to do. If you do start doing them, that's fine, I won't complain, I'll just skip them.
th-cam.com/video/LL5smkEBBs0/w-d-xo.html This is the video I used.. Edit, some names will break such as the chinese m64 has changed to something like "China_m64_name", aswell as the new challenge names like the winter and summer events.
If I remember correctly the Viggen not having tracers is accurate IRL because the Viggen has a fire-control computer that works with the Radar. So unless Gaijin let's us have that Radar lead indicator back it was a kinda pointless change for them to make.
they should give the viggen AIM9L or radarsights. Also I tested dogfights against all top planes a few months ago and Viggen only lost to the MLD, I have not tested against the MLA, Kifir and J8B
For some reason the viggens gun is one of my fav. Idk why but i do better not seeing for some reason. And watching them spontaneously combust is pretty cool esp in sim
For ze Algorithm. I agree the Viggen needs some tracer rounds, missiles aren't as satisfying as gun kills, but just guessing with the Viggen's gun isnt as satisfying either lol.
i tried the plane last patch - radar dont work -Skyflash keep missing or blowing up since the track gets lost -Sidewidner always gets flared - gun has no wat to aim it...... - not that agile for its tier -Acceleration is bad for its tier It is real garbage plane now specially vs the migs.....
its just not a viable option anymore and thats not a skill issue, i have a lot of experience in it and can easily get 4-5 kills. it's just a lot harder than in other aircraft
I've been having issues with the PD radars locking chaff up too much. My F4E radar performs better than the MiG-23Ms, though that isnt true PD. In the 23M I dont bring radar missiles because I cant get or hold locks. In my F4E my radar will lock targets below me and hold locks through chaff. I went back to it and I'm getting 3+ kills a game because of it
@@Dominator2930 The M and MF only get LD, which isn’t pulse doppler, it just points the radar down (look down). the MLD and MLA MTI mode works similar to pulse doppler and will effectively appear to be the same thing, and filter out stationary objects like chaff. It is only available below 2800m though. Then it only gives you LD
Might as well just lobby Gaijin to give the Viggen tracers. Right now it's historically inaccurate anyway - the Viggen had tracers. The only reason the Viggen doesn't have tracers in game is because it had radar-assisted aim in the dev server. Obviously that never made it into the game but Gaijin were so lazy they couldn't be bothered to give it more belt options with tracers.
If helping the team counted for the grind I would focus on that but they don’t so I need to focus on getting kills so I can help my own grind Bc helping my team won’t help me in the grind
I was in pulse doppler. The reason I was confused is because pulse doppler physically cannot lock on to chaff and isn’t effected by it, yet it appeared to be. We already solved it in the comments though as to what happened
It’s funny that you say the viggen isn’t a good dogfighter, in my opinion and experience of over 250kills, this IS the top tier dogfighter, it can do some absolutely ridiculous maneuvers even at low speed and it holds its energy quite well compared to phantoms and mig-21s, it’s also an insanely good F-14 killer, there is simply nothing the F-14 can do against the viggen.
@@lurtzy_ no, its a p-3. the p-4 and p-5 are all aspect variants of the 9P; the p-4 having the 9L's seeker and the p-5 having an upgraded seeker, comparable to the 9M due to it's IRCCM
can't disagree more with the viggen being semi good at dog fighting. I've done plenty of 1v1's and seen plenty of 1v1 dogfights in the viggen. we're talking hours on hours of 1v1's and the viggen always seems to end up on top, the non staling ability it has just keeps on giving in a 1v1. The viggen beats out the mld, the f4e by far, and only gets beat out in a full on horisontal turnfight with an f5e, but only narrowly. The viggen is absolutely one of the best dogfighters in the game. otherwise pretty much agree, the viggen is one of the few top tier jets I'd take the worst situations in, done plenty of 1v4's 1v3's and so on, the viggen just keeps on giving. I do have 20k games, so I'm not exactly a bad player tho. :D
@@SeekerHead if you wanna do a top tier dogfight hierarchy i’d be happy to warch it, theres been so much added recently and keeping up, even for someone like me with more then 20 thousand games is somewhat difficult, especially when warthunder doesnt show most of the important bits around turnfighintg, wing loading, weight power/weight etc. Wish warthunder added more specific atuff like that instead og a stupid who knows how calculated turntime and climb rate.
loved that intro seeker great work! personaly I love the viggen just such a fun plane but it is not the best in sustained dogfights. But thank you so much for this great vid and I cant wait for the a 10 vid in a few weeks keep up the great work!
At 4:32 you saw the radar latch onto the ground. Thats one of my techniques to avoiding radar missiles is to stick to treetop level which will force the missile to track the ground regardless if youre in PD mode or not. I have no idea if this is a bug, but its been here ever since the introduction of PD radars.
It’s not a bug. iirc this is called “multipath propagation” and basically causes exactly what you said; the radar locks a “ghost target” either above or below the _actual_ target (in War Thunder’s case, always below).
More modern radars are able to discern which targets are the real ones and which are false by knowing where the ground is and realizing that the enemy jet can’t possibly be in the ground, so it rejects them.
That’s notching, and is also used irl to evade missiles or to hide fron radars
@@tavolo2969 notching would be flying perpendicular to the launch aircraft in order for the doppler gate to reject you as ground clutter. This is something completely different, as the enemy was flying head on, meaning notching had nothing to do with this situation.
I really dug the intro. It was short and sweet, and the NASA camo on your Viggen is sick!
hi! i'm an avid viggen pilot
the viggen not having tracers is actually fairly accurate, historically. the fire rate on the gun is really slow, so you can generally prefire VERY early and it won't waste your ammo.
the viggen rewards playing passively. i like to call it "the rat playstyle". i scrape along the ground, around the side of the map, and come in behind and get people who are heading home, or just getting out of dogfights. i like to keep my speed above mach and rip through the furball that usually goes on in the middle of the map, mopping up kills as i go. my main goal being to not allow more people to join the main furball. i'd recommend trying this playstyle out as it works really well for me.
That’s really cool! (If you actually are)
It didnt have tracer since it had a very good radar lead indicator in the hud
I’ll be sure to try this
The fact your slinging missiles in a jet that says NASA on it 😂😂
"Houston, these guys done fucked up"
Not gonna lie, that intro was pretty cool. Would love to see more like that in the future.
19:40 ran outta flares, was paying attention and tried to turn of my engine. I've been loving rhe f5e as you reccomended but got too comfortable spamming flares and that habit got me killed in my f4 a couple games.
Yes i try to rely more on soeed and angles to make missle lose its speer
Brilliant content! Oh, and I simply adored the intro; well done!
The reason why the Viggen has no tracers is because the gun is supposed to be aimed via a lead indicator on the HUD. That indicator is not even present in first person mode. In a War Thunder context this realism aspect is just stupid. A third person lead indicator would obviously be a little silly, so just give it tracer belts Gaijin. Please.
It would be a nice buff if they fixed that soon
or even just practice tracers in test flight/custom
You gotta turn on the ballistic computer to get the lead indicator on the radar lock
@@ILLESTGS really?
@@thatguy7990 no, he's lying
Yes, i did indeed enjoy the Intro
What happened w the missile has to do with how gaijin models radar for very low to the ground targets. For whatever reason if something that’s being locked with radar is very close to the ground the lock won’t break w pulse doppler but the lock will move towards the ground off of the target. This is most noticeable and annoying when trying to radar lock helicopters in ground rb but in air rb what it basically means is that radar missiles will almost always miss super low targets like that a7
As far as I’ve researched it’s actually a feature based on real life and not a bug. Quite annoying though
It has to do with the fact that since the aircraft is so low to the ground, the reflections of the radar's signals by the ground towards the radar receiver become very significant, making it look from the radar's perspective the aircraft is coming from the ground. The radar's in game can't differentiate very well between this false (ground reflection) return and the correct (aircraft reflection) return, at least not when very close to the ground. And since this false return moves at the same speed as the aircraft, SARH missiles like the sparrow which use speed gates also get fooled by it, I'm not sure about "pulse" signal SARH missiles, but they lose lock anyways due to huge amounts of ground clutter.
Google "multipath propagation" for a visual example.
Holy crap that intro was amazing. Wonderfully cinematic. Perhaps with a more classical sound? Something to give it some gravitas because the footage was perfect.
amazing work on that intro you really got me hooked on your vids! keep it up
Great to see you take a look at the jet I suggested mate it’s a true diamond in the meta right now…please take a deep look at the J8-b when it comes this patch it will be my fav
Please do more intros that was really good lmao, sitting here like damn
The primary reason the viggen has no tracers (at least irl) is because the viggen actually had a system built into its onboard computers that effectively autoaimed the aircraft in order to hit a designated target, this included air targets. Of course in game this mechanic doesn't exist of course but it does need some form of lead indicator to make the gun a bit easier to aim.
Lthey did a update post about adding some auto ainers to viggen have you tried it
WHATTT THATS ME AT 4:09 U WERE RECORDING thought u were just playing damn but that was a clean kill
also i lost lock so:/
loved the intro, you should keep doing that :D
(btw, love the "Ratio'd" xD maybe put "Cope" as critical hit)
Love your video! Grinded the EJ Kai after watching your vid, love the vehicle! Keep up the good work
Hello Mr. Seeker
Do you agree to the notion that Phantoms should get the AIM-9L missile? Like the FG/FGR Phantoms and the J
Depends on how they come into the game. Currently on the Dev server, the 9L is so gimped that there’s no reason it couldn’t have already been in the game and just given every plane it’s rightful all aspects.
Intro was good. Maybe little long but o/a it was cool. Another great video tho. Love the viggen, its just a hella sexy plane, wish i could fly it like you :(((((((
Best Fuckin Intro. Wonder who edited that. Shivers climbed down my spine man lmao
the new Chinese top tier jet gets the export version of the Python 3, do you think the Kfir will get them too? if so, how will it affect top tier?
I don’t think gayjin will give the kfir all aspect missles this patch soon tho but not now……
I’ll have to wait and see
That intro looked real!!! Amazing. Do that for every video when you can
Ah glad to see viggen enjoyment
These intros are really nice DAMNN!!!!
Dang it I was 54 minutes late lol. Love you and your vids seeker
Would prefer no intro personally. Maybe do short cinematic intros (shorter than in this video) for say your first time reviewing a jet or something but not revisits? Idk, just an idea, I'd rather you just get after it tho, I am here for the gameplay after all, not a cinematic. It's up to you obviously to decide what you want to do. If you do start doing them, that's fine, I won't complain, I'll just skip them.
I love that intro
Intro was bad ass man!
Lmfaoo did you edit it to say Ratio’d in the video or can you edit it in game?
I appreciate the intro!
fantastic intro !!!! keep it up !! excelent music selection !
That intro was sickk
How do you change the words for when you get a kill
th-cam.com/video/LL5smkEBBs0/w-d-xo.html
This is the video I used..
Edit, some names will break such as the chinese m64 has changed to something like "China_m64_name", aswell as the new challenge names like the winter and summer events.
i loved the intro
i still have the clip where i downed a Viggen with my F8U. I think the most powerful weapon Viggen has is its fear factor
Cool intro
Such a cool intro
Nice intro!
Intro was great
Great plane and a great intro!
If I remember correctly the Viggen not having tracers is accurate IRL because the Viggen has a fire-control computer that works with the Radar. So unless Gaijin let's us have that Radar lead indicator back it was a kinda pointless change for them to make.
They added something to it did you check it out
as always, a very good video. Well done :D
I've been trying to play the viggen and oh lordy the missiles just don't want to work
they should give the viggen AIM9L or radarsights. Also I tested dogfights against all top planes a few months ago and Viggen only lost to the MLD, I have not tested against the MLA, Kifir and J8B
there is 0 reason viggen wins to F5 or J7 other than skill issue on their part
Love the intro
For some reason the viggens gun is one of my fav. Idk why but i do better not seeing for some reason. And watching them spontaneously combust is pretty cool esp in sim
the intro was great
very cool
Great intro!
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I was running 9Bs in the F8U as it was almost stock, GG's and I'll get you next time.
The into was cool
Personally I don’t like the intro I just like the quick overview of the aircraft without the cinematic touch. Good vid tho
that intro is amazing :)
For ze Algorithm.
I agree the Viggen needs some tracer rounds, missiles aren't as satisfying as gun kills, but just guessing with the Viggen's gun isnt as satisfying either lol.
i tried the plane last patch
- radar dont work
-Skyflash keep missing or blowing up since the track gets lost
-Sidewidner always gets flared
- gun has no wat to aim it......
- not that agile for its tier
-Acceleration is bad for its tier
It is real garbage plane now specially vs the migs.....
its just not a viable option anymore
and thats not a skill issue, i have a lot of experience in it and can easily get 4-5 kills. it's just a lot harder than in other aircraft
Nice intro.
intro was cool as fuck
Cool cinematic!
How do you setup the radar to be square instead of the usual arc on the right side of the scrren?
rectangular radar in options
amazing intro
Intro was a bit too long/stale imo :)
(wanted to see the F-4 go boom tbh (( )
nice vid tho, as usual
I've been having issues with the PD radars locking chaff up too much. My F4E radar performs better than the MiG-23Ms, though that isnt true PD. In the 23M I dont bring radar missiles because I cant get or hold locks. In my F4E my radar will lock targets below me and hold locks through chaff. I went back to it and I'm getting 3+ kills a game because of it
I’m my case it started locking the ground bc that’s just how they are. PD won’t lock chaff. The M 23 has no pulse doppler in any form
@@SeekerHead I thought it had a very cheap knock off PD mode, the MTI/LD mode in game?
@@Dominator2930 The M and MF only get LD, which isn’t pulse doppler, it just points the radar down (look down). the MLD and MLA MTI mode works similar to pulse doppler and will effectively appear to be the same thing, and filter out stationary objects like chaff. It is only available below 2800m though. Then it only gives you LD
name of intro song? and also supppppper good intro
dog, it’s in the description 😭
@@SeekerHead damn i feel like a monke now
Intro good
YOUR radar lock was in the ground because he was flying to low. its a very easy way to dodge radar missles like he did
Also great intro still feeling good that u killed me lol
Might as well just lobby Gaijin to give the Viggen tracers. Right now it's historically inaccurate anyway - the Viggen had tracers. The only reason the Viggen doesn't have tracers in game is because it had radar-assisted aim in the dev server. Obviously that never made it into the game but Gaijin were so lazy they couldn't be bothered to give it more belt options with tracers.
No the Viggen never had tracers, SAPHEI, HEI, and training ball ammunition only.
If helping the team counted for the grind I would focus on that but they don’t so I need to focus on getting kills so I can help my own grind Bc helping my team won’t help me in the grind
May just be me but I like it when you get straight into it, intros for informative content dont really do it for me
The reason the Viggen doesn't have tracers is cause the Swedes never made tracer rounds for its gun.
i know, this is a game though
Somehow i find stealth belts easier to aim than tracers
@@SeekerHead it’s annoying they do a historical stuff all the time but can’t give the viggen bullets colors
Change "critical hit" to "Hispano'd"
They chaffed before you fired. Watch in slowmo.
I was in pulse doppler. The reason I was confused is because pulse doppler physically cannot lock on to chaff and isn’t effected by it, yet it appeared to be. We already solved it in the comments though as to what happened
Your targeting is good with the gun but your timing is off, flown alot of russia and I had low velocity problems like with the Aiden's
It's going to change depending on where your vertical targeting is set to, or if you use it at all. Your trajectory isn't going to be my trajectory.
@@SeekerHead that is true, I was saying try firing alil earlier that's all
I think 6-8 fits it... It is good but not great.
12:15 become the missile
It’s funny that you say the viggen isn’t a good dogfighter, in my opinion and experience of over 250kills, this IS the top tier dogfighter, it can do some absolutely ridiculous maneuvers even at low speed and it holds its energy quite well compared to phantoms and mig-21s, it’s also an insanely good F-14 killer, there is simply nothing the F-14 can do against the viggen.
would you mind playing a custom with me so i can demonstrate?
They didnt give it tracers because the SWaF doesnt use them on the guns in real life either, never did
i know, good thing it’s a game :)
Irl it lead indicator tho(and a literall aimbot later on)
I grinding viggen with prem draken its a nightmare xD
The rb24J’s are not aim-9j’s. They are aim-9 p-5’s
they’re identical in game
theyre aim-9p-3s. which is essentially just a 9J for export with a low vis motor and i think a different fuse
@@zahnatom p-5
@@lurtzy_ no, its a p-3. the p-4 and p-5 are all aspect variants of the 9P; the p-4 having the 9L's seeker and the p-5 having an upgraded seeker, comparable to the 9M due to it's IRCCM
Ahh yesss , Hatsune Miku
i didnt really like the into not bc it wasnt good but it seems like everyone is make a cinematic into and its getting pretty old
The radar is nerfed
All radars were nerfed
@@SeekerHead even then, its a x band radar irl and I band ingame. its a digital radar yet somehow barely outperforms much older radars
@@einar8019 its called I band in game because gaijin uses a different naming convention. the frequencies are the same
Ratio'd
I see those pilots flat spin like a mf-er all the time. Them and Kafir pilots. A lot of delta issues.
3 weeks later, this thing is just unbearable. everything around it is better, its not even worth to play anymore
can't disagree more with the viggen being semi good at dog fighting. I've done plenty of 1v1's and seen plenty of 1v1 dogfights in the viggen. we're talking hours on hours of 1v1's and the viggen always seems to end up on top, the non staling ability it has just keeps on giving in a 1v1. The viggen beats out the mld, the f4e by far, and only gets beat out in a full on horisontal turnfight with an f5e, but only narrowly. The viggen is absolutely one of the best dogfighters in the game. otherwise pretty much agree, the viggen is one of the few top tier jets I'd take the worst situations in, done plenty of 1v4's 1v3's and so on, the viggen just keeps on giving. I do have 20k games, so I'm not exactly a bad player tho. :D
IGN? I’ll show you exactly how it loses to the MLD, J7 and F5
@@SeekerHead if you wanna do a top tier dogfight hierarchy i’d be happy to warch it, theres been so much added recently and keeping up, even for someone like me with more then 20 thousand games is somewhat difficult, especially when warthunder doesnt show most of the important bits around turnfighintg, wing loading, weight power/weight etc. Wish warthunder added more specific atuff like that instead og a stupid who knows how calculated turntime and climb rate.
I dislike Viggen. Horrible acceleration. Possible the worst compared to any other jet of the same BR.
Factually incorrect statement
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