I have 2 of the 2019 certates, fantastic reels. First time my reels have survived longer than 2 years. Love that the bail doesn`t accidently close when i cast, biggest reason why i stopped buying shimano.
Thank you for your comment, interesting. The issue you mentioned that the bail accidently close at casting was the issue that I experienced by DAIWA's reels while ago. Anyway that's good you love those :)
Well personally, the Vanquish has slightly better the cast feel, distance and smoothness of reeling to me. Those are a little different in concept, but Certate is more for extra durability, and Vanquish is more for the case if you need lightness and sensitivity.
Wow, it's an amazing review and comparison. From Your experience which reel would be the best option for sea bass fishing from coasts & using the same reel for heavy spinning/shore jigging against 2-10kg Bluefish/Amberjack/Mahi Mahi ? I guess a 4000-5000 sized reel would work for both of them ? *And as an idea, You can make charts for comparison for different reels. Based on your experience you can describe and show which reel is better on which scenarios and what's their week and strong sides using a grade scale on chart.
Thank you very much :) For this movie I would only compare 24 Certate and 24 Twin Power, and in your suggested case, I would use 24 TwinPower and have spare spools - 4000 (or 4000M) + C5000, though both reel can be used. If the jigging target is around / up to 5kg class, or excluding amberjack, I would use 24 Cerate LT4000-CXH or LT5000-CXH depending on the spooled line, as it's well balanced of power and lightness. I would not use any lines heavier than #1.5 (normally I use #1 - #1.2) for seabass, and #1.5 is also quite enough for bluefish and mahi mahi to me. But up to 10kg class amberjack is different, they swim down to the bottom to snag your line as soon as they bite, and often they bite on the bottom, you'll need to have torque to pull up as soon as possible, and will select TP for the reason. In this case, I would spool #1.5 for 4000 spool and 2.5 for 5000 spool, and good point for the TP is that the one size body can share the different size spools. Hope this helps :)
@@jpfishingtacklenews195Thanks a lot, that's so informative and helpful. If I am not mistaken that 4000 and 5000 body TP is same body just spool changes. I know that sea bass love slow retrieving and for heavy fishes like amberjacks the 4000 PG version could be more powerful to handle them. Just I am not very sure about the line tangles in windy situations which 4.4 ratio reel could not be fast enough to wrap the line correctly to the spool. And shore jigging fish loves fast retrieving most of the time, could this be achieved on PG reel if it's reeled fast enough? *I have seen Penn Authority and Van Staal Vr50-75 but I am not sure if they would fit that good like a Seabass reel TP..
@@Seconds155 Yes that's right, 4000 and C5000 have the same body just different spools. Actually, 24 Certate also has the same body for 4000-C and 5000-C, but still would select TP though. And yes PG should be more powerful. To be honest I haven't used PG, so not sure about casting as I do not need that slow gear at all. From my experience the line management is quite important, such as feathering, and tip up at the beginning of winding after casting. I am sorry but I only use JDM tackles therefore not quite sure about Penn.
Did you mean the spool adjustment washers? Then you take off the spool and the washer will go to the main shaft to adjust the position of spool so that the line can be spooled correctly.
its not the magseal oil but the gearing coating, old certates spin very freely. the gear needs wearing in. unlike shimano, the gears are very strong. shimano i have to replace gears yearly, so annoying to keep them smooth. i replace shimano gears after spooling under tention, they get too rough to use
Again I am sorry for you experienced such things. We were all informed both good and bad experiences for both reels so we can't just simply say which is better really. But of course, if you don't like Shimano and stick with Daiwa then that's your absolute choice :) Again, I haven't had gear replacement for at least 5 years since I bought each one.
Oh I was wondering I saw your comment; was just going to comment about the 2024 not being a saltwater model despite every review I've seen from saltwater targeting people Will await the sw with baited breath.
Thank you for your comment :) Well not quite sure of inside for Daiwa reels honestly. Torque, I'm with you there's nothing changed drastically. For the feeling, I personally felt the reeling is smoother and lighter. Durability is not yet clarifeid. This review is of course just my opinion :)
you make some pointless comparisons..such as between Shimano models with metal body and rotor and Daiwa with ultralight rotor...a Daiwa with locomotive system will never beat even the cheapest Shimano with wormshaft system..the same as never Daiwa will not have such precise line management thatand at Shimano... I also noted the profile of the rotor on this new Daiwa model: it is shamelessly copied after Shimano's MGl rotor, models that have been on the market for many years... finally, the corners where the line hangs are missing and the profile is as it should be..shimano is undeniably superior to Daiwa in terms of quality and ergonomics...but really...what's with that sound in a top-of-the-range Daiwa?...you'll never hear something like that in a Stella,Vanquish or TP...
Thank you for your comment :) As you mentioned, surely Shimano has its own strengths. Especially in the gear system, Shimano's long history as a gear manufacturer gives it an advantage, and its cross-gear mechanism is a highly advanced oscillating system that ensures smooth retrieval. However, this does not mean that cam systems are inferior. In fact, Shimano uses cam systems in low price range like Nasci, and larger models of Stradic SW, where it helps keep the mechanism simple and lightweight. It's also often noted that, particularly in the mid to lower price ranges, some people find Daiwa’s drag system to be smoother. Both brands have their own strengths and weaknesses, in my opinion. Therefore, if you prefer Shimano, it’s absolutely fine to stick with it, and you should cherish that preference. The reason for comparing Certate and Twin Power is that they are both marketed with similar concepts, and many people have expressed interest in comparing these two models directly.
But the vanquish feels shit under load. All shimanos except for the saltwater infinitydrive reels feel crap compared to the daiwa counterparts. I've tried everything on the market for real. 24 TP, 21 TP XD, 23 Vanquish, 20 Vanford, 24 Certate, 23 Airity, 21 Twinpower SW, 20 Saltiga, BG MQ, 23 Saltiga, Saltist. Most MQ Daiwa's feel super rigid and solid under load.
Certate is one of my favorite reels, great and detailed review 🤙🤙
Thank you very much for the lovely comment :)
I have 2 of the 2019 certates, fantastic reels. First time my reels have survived longer than 2 years.
Love that the bail doesn`t accidently close when i cast, biggest reason why i stopped buying shimano.
Thank you for your comment, interesting. The issue you mentioned that the bail accidently close at casting was the issue that I experienced by DAIWA's reels while ago.
Anyway that's good you love those :)
Le certate est mon moulinet préféré, j'en possède plusieurs modèles 19 et un 24 ❤
Great! Yeah that's such nice model :)
Great review! Very underrated channel, keep it up 👍🏼
Thank you! We'll try our best!
Thank for another great review!
Thank you very much hope you liked this :)
would you recommend the vanquish or the certate in terms of casting ability and smoothness of retrieve
Well personally, the Vanquish has slightly better the cast feel, distance and smoothness of reeling to me. Those are a little different in concept, but Certate is more for extra durability, and Vanquish is more for the case if you need lightness and sensitivity.
Wow, it's an amazing review and comparison. From Your experience which reel would be the best option for sea bass fishing from coasts & using the same reel for heavy spinning/shore jigging against 2-10kg Bluefish/Amberjack/Mahi Mahi ? I guess a 4000-5000 sized reel would work for both of them ?
*And as an idea, You can make charts for comparison for different reels. Based on your experience you can describe and show which reel is better on which scenarios and what's their week and strong sides using a grade scale on chart.
Thank you very much :)
For this movie I would only compare 24 Certate and 24 Twin Power, and in your suggested case, I would use 24 TwinPower and have spare spools - 4000 (or 4000M) + C5000, though both reel can be used.
If the jigging target is around / up to 5kg class, or excluding amberjack, I would use 24 Cerate LT4000-CXH or LT5000-CXH depending on the spooled line, as it's well balanced of power and lightness. I would not use any lines heavier than #1.5 (normally I use #1 - #1.2) for seabass, and #1.5 is also quite enough for bluefish and mahi mahi to me.
But up to 10kg class amberjack is different, they swim down to the bottom to snag your line as soon as they bite, and often they bite on the bottom, you'll need to have torque to pull up as soon as possible, and will select TP for the reason.
In this case, I would spool #1.5 for 4000 spool and 2.5 for 5000 spool, and good point for the TP is that the one size body can share the different size spools.
Hope this helps :)
@@jpfishingtacklenews195Thanks a lot, that's so informative and helpful. If I am not mistaken that 4000 and 5000 body TP is same body just spool changes. I know that sea bass love slow retrieving and for heavy fishes like amberjacks the 4000 PG version could be more powerful to handle them. Just I am not very sure about the line tangles in windy situations which 4.4 ratio reel could not be fast enough to wrap the line correctly to the spool. And shore jigging fish loves fast retrieving most of the time, could this be achieved on PG reel if it's reeled fast enough? *I have seen Penn Authority and Van Staal Vr50-75 but I am not sure if they would fit that good like a Seabass reel TP..
@@Seconds155 Yes that's right, 4000 and C5000 have the same body just different spools. Actually, 24 Certate also has the same body for 4000-C and 5000-C, but still would select TP though.
And yes PG should be more powerful. To be honest I haven't used PG, so not sure about casting as I do not need that slow gear at all. From my experience the line management is quite important, such as feathering, and tip up at the beginning of winding after casting.
I am sorry but I only use JDM tackles therefore not quite sure about Penn.
Where do the washers go?
Did you mean the spool adjustment washers? Then you take off the spool and the washer will go to the main shaft to adjust the position of spool so that the line can be spooled correctly.
its not the magseal oil but the gearing coating, old certates spin very freely. the gear needs wearing in. unlike shimano, the gears are very strong. shimano i have to replace gears yearly, so annoying to keep them smooth. i replace shimano gears after spooling under tention, they get too rough to use
Again I am sorry for you experienced such things. We were all informed both good and bad experiences for both reels so we can't just simply say which is better really. But of course, if you don't like Shimano and stick with Daiwa then that's your absolute choice :) Again, I haven't had gear replacement for at least 5 years since I bought each one.
they are not spare drag washers, rather spacers to adjust line lay
I am sorry that's my bad, yes that's the washer to adjust the line spooling. Thank you for letting me know it!
Just heard the new sw 2024 just came out. I’m glad I didn’t buy this LT
Yes it's been announced, coming soon :)
Oh I was wondering I saw your comment; was just going to comment about the 2024 not being a saltwater model despite every review I've seen from saltwater targeting people
Will await the sw with baited breath.
nothing realy has changed, different shap rotor and gold coating on gear, thats about it
Thank you for your comment :) Well not quite sure of inside for Daiwa reels honestly. Torque, I'm with you there's nothing changed drastically. For the feeling, I personally felt the reeling is smoother and lighter. Durability is not yet clarifeid. This review is of course just my opinion :)
you make some pointless comparisons..such as between Shimano models with metal body and rotor and Daiwa with ultralight rotor...a Daiwa with locomotive system will never beat even the cheapest Shimano with wormshaft system..the same as never Daiwa will not have such precise line management thatand at Shimano... I also noted the profile of the rotor on this new Daiwa model: it is shamelessly copied after Shimano's MGl rotor, models that have been on the market for many years... finally, the corners where the line hangs are missing and the profile is as it should be..shimano is undeniably superior to Daiwa in terms of quality and ergonomics...but really...what's with that sound in a top-of-the-range Daiwa?...you'll never hear something like that in a Stella,Vanquish or TP...
Thank you for your comment :)
As you mentioned, surely Shimano has its own strengths. Especially in the gear system, Shimano's long history as a gear manufacturer gives it an advantage, and its cross-gear mechanism is a highly advanced oscillating system that ensures smooth retrieval.
However, this does not mean that cam systems are inferior. In fact, Shimano uses cam systems in low price range like Nasci, and larger models of Stradic SW, where it helps keep the mechanism simple and lightweight.
It's also often noted that, particularly in the mid to lower price ranges, some people find Daiwa’s drag system to be smoother. Both brands have their own strengths and weaknesses, in my opinion.
Therefore, if you prefer Shimano, it’s absolutely fine to stick with it, and you should cherish that preference. The reason for comparing Certate and Twin Power is that they are both marketed with similar concepts, and many people have expressed interest in comparing these two models directly.
But the vanquish feels shit under load. All shimanos except for the saltwater infinitydrive reels feel crap compared to the daiwa counterparts. I've tried everything on the market for real. 24 TP, 21 TP XD, 23 Vanquish, 20 Vanford, 24 Certate, 23 Airity, 21 Twinpower SW, 20 Saltiga, BG MQ, 23 Saltiga, Saltist. Most MQ Daiwa's feel super rigid and solid under load.
The wormshaft oscillation has so much power loss associated with it compared to the S camshaft.