Batwing Doors in Old West Saloons
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- The Famous Batwing Doors in Old West Saloons
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Everytime one of these opens a pianist is forced to stop. It's part of their Pianist Vow.
Just don't shoot the Piano Player.
Right! In the rulebook.
Also if a gunfight happens, stop playing, and when the fight is over, immediately go back to playing!
The Gunfighter coming in might want to sit in and play like a concert trained classical pianist. Then after some Mozart and Beethoven turn and challenge the Gambler to a duel. For that script use a search engine for "The Shooting of Dan McGrew".
A dog with one arm in a sling stomped in through the bat wing doors.
The piano player stopped playing, the barkeep stopped wiping the bar and the dealer stopped dealing the cards. The smokey room fell silent. All eyes were locked on the dog as he scanned the room through squinted eyes and said:
"I'm lookin' for the man that shot my Paw"
LOL!
That's one of those jokes that I've heard hundreds of times and it still makes me laugh.
My great grandfather fell out of his crib laughing at that joke.
Oh that's a good one
_Ouch._
We had some of those doors entering the kitchen in a house I grew up in. I’m sure my mom got tired of all my cowboy entrances.
HA! Cool.
Ha Ha! Loved it! 😃 Didn't expect to see that TRex on my range! Thanks for covering this subject. I plan on building a closing inner door set on my saloon sometime this year. When I installed my doors was the first time I observed a set of double spring hinges. They are a very complex mechanism compared to a simple hinge.
DUDE!! I love your videos!
there he is folks the fastest gun ever
Gonna have to stop in for a whiskey But I'll be packing TUCO
Glad you enjoyed it, Tuco. Yeah, Bommer did a good job with those.
@@branson626 🤔🤔mr bob mundans here ????,😮😮
A these years of watching westerns and I thought they were just called swing doors. Thanks, Santee.
You're welcome.
They were called 'Café doors' in the building industry since the 1970s. More specifically: "Arch top Café doors" (if solid); "Café doors" (if solid with a flat top); Arch top louvred Cafe doors (with ventilating louvres) and yup, you guessed it, Louvred Café doors (square top door with ventilating louvres)
In a Victorian design book I have from 1904, they are labeled as "swinging saloon doors" and sold from $3.90 to $5 per *pair* in pine. if 1-1/8" thick. Add 20% if you wanted 1-3/8 Also available in oak (no prices listed)
Nice videos. 5 minutes. No long winded oratories, no long intros, direct and to the point. 🤠
Thank You!
I installed a set of these doors between my kitchen and the living room in a small cabin I rented many years ago. Instead of Bommer hinges I used Gravity Hinges. They are much simpler (read: cheaper) and what were probably used before the Bommer double acting spring hinge was invented.
Very true. I didn't think about gravity hinges being used in the 19th century but they sure might have been!
In Lebanon Oregon in the 1950s one saloon had swinging doors,you could hear the laughter and holler a halve block away.mom would make us hurry past so we wouldn't see what was going on behind those swinging doors.
HAHA!
Still better security than Walgreens.
HA!
Definitely, I use to work at one.
The pizza parlor I frequented as a kid had these doors and my best friend was having his 10th birthday there. As I walked through the saloon doors I said very loudly, "Belly up to the bar, boys, the drinks are on me!"
The entire restaurant cracked up. To this day, I have no idea where my 10-year-old self got this line. 😂😂
LOL!!!
It was High Noon, just outside the Gotham Saloon. A devious outlaw named Joker the Kid was standing in the center of the street. Deputy Robin B. Wonder seen him and ran for help, and then suddenly a horse blacker than a chunk of coal in a barrel of oil came racing up the street and stopped suddenly.
Sheriff Bruce W. Manbat stepped down and approached the fiend. The outlaw shouted DRAW! Sheriff Manbat jumped out of the way before Joker the Kid could hit him, did a roll and shot an outlaw that was up in the windows with a rifle pointed at him. The Joker was shocked, but even more shocking, a saloon girl: Kitty the Lady, pulled a gun and shot a goon who was about to blast Manbat with a shotgun!
Finally Joker the Kid raised up his gun, put his finger on the trigger… but it was too late. Sheriff Manbat got him! Gotham was saved once again!
Somehow the joker managed to slip away again before he could be hogtied.
Okay, now I really want a 19th Century Wild Western Batman/Justice League spin-off so badly! Although if it already exists, I'd love to know the name of it!
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There is a Batman story that's set in the 1880s called Gotham by Gaslight first came out as a comic book in '89 and they made it into a animated movie in 2018. The story is about Batman going after Jack the ripper
watch pit for US Attorney Dent, he goes by the tribal name of Two-Face
@@deadhomer8468there’s several stories involving Batman set in the old west as well, most recently in Return of Bruce Wayne
I used to have those doors in my kitchen! I LOVED them!
So cool!
Also a great addition to any kitchen 👌 🤠
Yes indeed!
I love the look of Bat wimg doors
Me too
My great grandma had a set of these in her house and they were one of my favorite things about visiting her as a kid.
They were installed on the addition of the house that my great grandpa had built by himself sometime in the 60's I believe. The addition was a large living room that had a pool table in the middle so you'd walk through the "cowboy" doors to go play pool.
Fun memory
Reminds me even more of my great times working in the Ghost Town shows dept, at Knott’s Ghost Town, back in the day! There’s nothing like the feeling of walking through those swinging, double doors, especially when heeled, & dressed in a “close enough to period correct” manner, unlike our farby, golden-throated pard, Buster Scruggs! (Or, Marty McFly, for that matter.)
I surely do miss the experience of just how it feels to lean on the double spring hinges, just enough for them to kinda roll out, pulling them away from the door frame, without damage, or injury to m’self!
Another terrific video, pards!
Keep yer powder dry!
Thanks, man! Glad you have those great memories.
Another great start to my weekend 😊
Glad to hear it!
I LOVE the batwing doors in the old Saloon scenes
Ain't they cool?
The house we grew up in had these going into the kitchen. Major finger pincher . Our walls were made with lava rock. The open spiral staircase to the basement was the best. good memories
Interesting!
You really winged it on this one. A real swinging bit of history
HAHA!
I never thought about there being anther door accompanying the bat wings. I never thought about it because it makes perfect sense.
HAHA! Yes.
I'd hate to be the janitor sweeping up all the sand and dried mud LOL
I'm sure they didn't move all the whiskey from the shelves every time they closed, but even in the movies it can seem like they never close and there's a packed party 24/7. And while they always show the wild west in the summer, it's America...there's very few places without at least some winter weather, and even summer can have some pretty chilly nights.
These doors have the power to even make Santee seem threatening, 😨. Those would be the days.
Well, I have threatened and followed through many times. Heck, I've been a manager!
Santee, these really are about the best, most entertaining videos on TH-cam. My hat is off to you!
Thank You! Hope you are learning stuff as well.
Interesting. Based on the 1886 patent, the ubiquitous (in Hollywood Westerns, much like the 1894 Winchester), double hinged, batwing saloon door would not have been around in cowtowns during the days of the great cattle drives.
Except you could get the same effect using leather or canvas for the hinges. These weren't storm doors or exterior doors, but more like the equivalent of a screen door today.
@@mattlien5844 No really. Simple leather or cloth hinges still only allow the door to swing one way due to the wood of the door being flush with the edge of the jamb.
Therein lies the issue.
@@gravemarker I was thinking of a screen door on an old cabin we used to stay at when fishing. The screen door was a couple of inches from the jamb. The gap was covered with a strip of loose canvas that ran the length of the door. It allowed the door to open either way without letting too many bugs in.
Yes. The patent. Not everything had a patent when it was first being used
I never knew the name of these doors. Never even really gave it much thought but now I know. I love when Saturday's come because it means another great video from santee. Thank you so much 🤠🤠
Glad you like them!
That was so cool. I love your audio/visual clips, Santee. You ALWAYS add just the right ones. NOONE does it better, IMO. 🤠🤗👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks so much!!
I imagine they are also handy as an easy exit for when a drunk finally decides it is time to go.
Yes.
also seems like a good way to even when the normal doors are open to indicate the separation from the public walking spaces and the inside of the saloon.
Yes
Another good one!
Glad you think so!
They can be mounted with the high part of the arch in the middle (as shown) or more correctly with the low part in the middle and the longer side of the door mounted to the frame. The latter makes for a longer lasting door. Hinges farther apart with less weight supported in the centre. Carpenters of the day knew how to make things last!
Very true!
And Don’t let the Door hit in the a** on the way Out it all makes sense Now
Yep
In the old movie ‘The Terror of Tiny Town’ there’s a scene where one of the ‘cowboys’ literally walks completely under the doors. But yet he reaches up and swings the doors anyway. Yeah, I know. I’m going to hell for laughing at that. 😂😂😂😂
They meant for you to laugh at it!
Thanks for the great Info! We have a set of these coming up at one of our Estate Sales this week, they came out of a saloon in San Francisco. Our client bought them at auction years ago for almost $10k!
That is awesome!
Ha this is the first time I've come across your channel! Wonderful! This is a quality, funny, informative, well-put-together production. You got my sub.
And whoever that is that's profiled at the end there, he looks like a really good kid. Reminds me of my grandson.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have over a hundred photos of Old West saloons, but not one of them shows a batwing door. I will look more closely at the photos from the interior vantage point to see if there are batwings hung behind the regular doors. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, like I mentioned photos of them are pretty rare (but clearly they existed). Trouble is in those black and white photos the doorways are always really dark
Santee, Thank you very much for the fun education of the Old West. Love it. You and Mrs. Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. Your Gunslinger Brother
Same to you!
Nice to know. I have lived Arizona much of my life, even when forced to move east for years (¡Sin trabajo, no hay virilidad!!).
Oh ok.
A lot of places in Idaho City still had these when I was a kid. It was fun.
Cool!
Thanks for teaching me something else that I didn't really know much about. Never really thought much about batwing doors. I wonder if Batman has a set down in the batcave, well anyway thanks again, Santee, from your old Rebel pal, aka the Gray Rider, or just plain ol' Eric from the Great and Sovereign State of North Carolina.
You are so welcome!
Great selection of movie clips!
Thank You!
Then in the 1980's they made a comeback. Their creak denoting when a patron in the video rental store was entering the "unique" section of filmography.
HAHA!
I feel like I need to put a set of these on one of the doors around the studio, just for that
ambience. 🤠
Maybe, Jedi.
They do make nice ambience, but more for structures leading from outdoor to indoor that will be constantly moved through. Inside, it's less appealing because you eventually get tired of all the extra effort of pushing through some doors that can smack you or get caught on something you're wearing, and they're not quiet either. Not necessarily loud, but not quiet. That compared to the simplicity of simply walking through an open doorway, the open doorway wins when it's an indoor room to room transition. Would make sense for a walk-in closet though, as it could then even offer some privacy if one changes clothes in there. Or for something like a man cave room, personal bar, etc. But for things like kitchen, living room, etc....they're more trouble than they're worth.
Thanks again Santee & Co.
You're welcome.
Then watching Arizona ghost riders for a few years now, what's happy to see you on there. Hopefully it will help to get you out there a little further. Good Job Mr.
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that intimidation factor may be based in truth, you hear the hinges or the doors opening so you have a glass ready for whatever they order when they get to the bar
and the ghost is a great character, thank him for us if you can 🤣 he got me to subscribe 😎
Thank you.
I used a different type of hinge on my doors, the gravity type. I don't know how authentic they are or how long they've been around, but they worked in my situation. I did have some high winds catch one and rip it off though!
Yikes!!!
seen those too
I believe that there were also several places, not sure about saloons, but in several places you would have an entryway with a more standard set of double doors in an enclosed area where they open inwards with a set of batwings just past them, essentially giving a space where patrons would be expected to kick stuff off of your boots and shoes to help keep the interior cleaner.
Good point!
@@ArizonaGhostridersIt's the same kind of thing as you see in a lot of shops now with the double set of doors for entry/exit if you think about it. Less work to clean everything and it would also add another potential barrier point for other things that might be loose in the streets since most would have something there as well for the doors from a step up to other options from the porch/boardwalk areas.
Wow, I never thought about saloons, like any other business, need to lock up at night. I never noticed those double doors behind the swinging ones.
Glad you learned!
Good topic. I’ve seen this kind of doors almost exclusively in western movies, and in “Old West” themed establishments built in imitation of movie sets. I’ve looked at a lot of old photos of barrooms, and, as your narrator confirms, not many of them show “bat wing” doors. Not that they didn’t exist, but they don’t seem to have been the norm.
Thanks for sharing your research!
Decades ago I worked in the desert southwest. Many of the road houses had boards up outside the door. They went from the knees to above my head. Somebody told me that saloons put these up so a cowboy could stand outside and let his eyes adjust to either the sunlight or the dark without being ID'd before walking away from the building. This kept him from getting bushwacked right away when he couldn't see. Don't know if it's true or a drinking story somebody told me.
Cool story!
There was a tavern in Bucoda, Washington that had those, this was back the late 1980s early 90s. I had never gone through one so I did the classic fling them open and step through... got chewed out by the bartender...
HAHA!
Nice. I almost expected Batman to show up, but I guess he was busy lol!
I guess
Tuco! I love his channel too! Awesome.
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Thank you Santee. I sure do learn a lot watching your videos. Have a super weekend. :)
Glad to hear it
New to the channel, but I've checked out a videos, and I love the content!! I've loved Westerns and Cowboys since I was a kid, so it's cool to find a channel like this.
So glad you like it.
gotta appreciate the work and effort that goes into that video production.
Thank You!
I plan to get some Batwing doors for my room one day, I think that would be so cool!
Yes
Bill took a big risk speaking that way to the Runt from Reata Pass, even if he already left the Used-To-Be.
Yep
I haven’t been to many bars/saloon/ places that have these doors but when I did it’s satisfying to open the door with both hands & entering or exiting in the center. It’s really about the cool factor.
Fun, eh?
agree with you
Great video as always, interesting how many uses the batwing doors had.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video Santee. I found myself hinged on your every word.
I swung the info in there for ya.
Another great swinging episode, Santee.
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Great one, Santee! Good info. Adam West loved those doors I understand.
Ha!
The ones in the historical photo seem a lot more substantial than the Hollywood version. In particular, they seem to cover a lot more vertically--I can believe they'd keep some dust out while still allowing a breeze.
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Great video.
Yesterday I bought a black powder revolver with a cartridge conversion. It know that they existed in the old west. A friend has an original Remington pocket pistol in 32 rimfire. If you haven't already, that might be a good subject for a video. Maybe even one on percussion cap revolvers still being used in the old west. They had em, you know.
Have a blessed day.
Congratulations!! Yes, I have done that video.
3:01 - Rustler's Rhapsody should be ranked alongside classics like Airplane! and Blazing Saddles...
Absolutely.
So happy I was recommended this channel. Short and sweet and super interesting. Anything over 10 minutes I can’t abide, not enough time for those kinda channels. Great work and funny to boot.
Awesome! Thank you!
They were just cool
yes.
(humming to some obscure tv theme song of the 60s) Bat-Wing! doors!
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Uh ... Bat Masterson?
As I recall, the lyrics went:
Back when the West was very young,
There lived a man named Masterson.
He wore a cane and derby hat.
They called him Bat ... Bat Masterson.
Masterson was played by Gene Barry. And that's all I remember because i couldn't have been more than 8 or so.
I think they could also deter a stray horse or curious donkey from just wondering inside.
Yes
Batman goes into a Bar ohhh I like that design for the doors I got an idea 😀😀😁😁😁
HA!
Those doors are just as iconic as the single action army in my opinion
Yes
Howdy Santee, I've been watching for a few years, I love the videos and history you expose. I'm from your neck of the woods and always felt a "draw" to the old west. Albeit, I don't know much about it. I had a few ideas, im unsure if they have been covered but may be interesting.
Big nose Kate, mail and correspondence how it worked, pony express?, and the battle of picacho pass/peak being the western most Civil War Battle.
Keep it up! And before you ask, yes it's my real name, and yes John b is in some way my ancestor haha
Thanks for watching. Some of those requests I've done. Picacho is on the list too.
And their still as popular as ever in the restaurant communities here in Europe, it really makes bringing over hotplates easy, let me tell you that, not to mention carts filled with food for breakfast,
I'm sure it does. Where in Europe do you live?
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3:31 .. "Pin and Hole" gate style hinges (still used on stake trucks to this day) would have served ss double swing hinges before the invention in question. And a simple double "Gravity Ramp" design could be added/created by any Blacksmith to make them self centre easily.
Yep, they were around. I've just found no evidence they were used for the batwing doors.
Tuco and the Ghost Riders! My western favorites together in one great video!
Thank You!
Absolutely!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
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Great content no one really thinks of about these doors. Them thar doors driving you batty? Did you do yer own stunt at the end? Love the shots of the Terror of Tiny Town!
Yes, I can still roll around on the ground...but it's slow!
Go in go out...go in go out...and that goes a old west saloon ! Another one boy's...a great weekend Santee and all ghostriders
Thank You!
The rdr2 saloon music at the beginning was funny
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Charming video! Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
I like tuco. I have had a old west town Halloween display for a few years now, and i made my saloon doors from old window shutters. Peck
Yep
Fascinating!
Yep
Great is as Great Does and You My Friend are Great !!!!!
Many thanks!!
Hello Arizona Ghost Rider. Ted from Texas. I definitely enjoy looking at your episodes. Thank you man
Much appreciated.
Thanks for another great look into the ol’ West!
You bet!
i grew up walking through those kind of doors most of my life, my grandparents had a restaurant and those were the doors you had to go through to get in and out of the kitchen
Very cool!
Thank you for your videos which are always a great pleasure to watch 🤠
Glad you like them!
Glad to see you open the door on this subject. I also like that your videos hinge on historical accuracy.
Glad you like them! Had to spring into action on this one.
Just the subject matter I was wondering about!
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Interesting… Thank you
You bet
Town Marshal: "Stay away from them swingin' doors, son. There's nothin' in there for you."
Urchin: "But my Daddy's in there!"
"There's nobody in there but an old drunk."
"That's my Daddy!"
LOL!
Very cool the company that started makin those hinges still do❤❤❤
Yes they do
Another great one!
Glad you think so!
Thanks for another great video.
You're welcome.
Good info
Thanks
Great video Santee, and as always enjoy your videos.
I appreciate that!
I love this channel so much
Why thank you!
"My name is Randall Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggg."
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Thanks Santee!
You bet!