This channel is a true gem. Not overly focused on stats and analytics, no out of field media bs either, just great takes on basketball stuff wrapped into some awesome dynamic editing and presented by a host that is both charismatic and intelligent. Thank you for the content, hope you continue to grow and put out great videos.
thats why Tom Thibodeau is so interesting as a coach because everyone in the league says they don't want to play for him but those who have respect him so much
As someone who grew up watching European basketball it was a shock to the system for me to see how NBA coaches are treated nowadays. Always in the backburner and outright disrespected, even after winning a Championship. Just look at Budenholzer and Vogel. Ps. W video bro, keep it up.
@@whatslapsEPL coach turnover tends to be pretty fast but when a coach is actually given the chance and then ends up succeeding they are rewarded for tenures pretty much as long as they want
My ideal coach is 2012-2014 era Pop. He had a legion of veterans and reliable role-players with significant experience playing alongside one another. They knew how to play basketball and didn't need a tutor Pop even joked about it during a coach's workshop, that telling his players that they have to make shots or grab boards is the most obvious, unhelpful advice possible. What he did do is iron out the best rotations, keep players rested and healthy, make adjustments that swung games, call timeouts the moment the other team built momentum, strictly enforce decisive actions on both ends of the floor, and instill mental toughness at all times. Their collective ability to execute at the end of games was second-to-none, and they could even operate with four seconds on the shot-clock better than most teams could with 24.
I think your point about good college coaches not translating well to the big leagues is seen over and over again in the NFL. Legendary coaches like Nick Saban and more recently Urban Meyer sputter and implode after a year because they lose a lot of the control they were used to. A college freshman is much more malleable and actually coachable from a benevolent dictator type approach, and their track records actually give credence to the amount of control they exude. However, that shit doesn't fly with grown-ass men, all of whom were at one point considered 'that guy.' Managing egos and personalities is no easy task. Coaches actually have to treat their players with respect to earn respect; it's not given like in college. I will say that because a player chooses to go to a certain team versus a draft where a player is sent to the team that picks them also muddies the waters. If a player chooses to commit to a school, it's a choice that they are consciously making. All that to say, that's why Pop is the GOAT.
In my opinion this is why the NFL feels more well rounded bcs the coaches job is super important and to mention that they are more in charge while NBA coaches kinda feels like a side gig
Whos calling him a fantastic coach? Everybody seems to acknowledge that this celtics team is primarily a masterclass in team construction. Having 2 current allstars, 2 former allstars in their prime, and 1 former allstar turned high level roleplayer is absolutely nuts. And thats not even mentioning derrick white who might be the best complimentary player in the league and arguably 3rd best player on the team.
@@jojoprocess2820people used this logic to discredit Steve Kerr’s contributions with the Warriors but that’s such a naive way of looking at it. It takes a truly elite coach to maximize the players you have, instill confidence in your players and your philosophies (especially in a locker room with multiple all-stars), not to mention, winning the locker room
In every sport I've watched ive noticed that the best teams usually have coaches who are more friends and peers who cooperate with the team and even players on an individual level. It's really all about building good vibes which can take teams the farthest even as the playoffs place huge pressures on their bodies and minds
Another great video, wondering if you would make one on how the Finals, especially in the past couple of years, have felt more like the regular season in terms of the broadcast side of things. Just doesn't feel as grand as it once used to.
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at the end of the day if you are a PROFESIONAL player it is part of your job to follow the instructions of your PROFESIONAL coach, its his job for a reason
The responsibilities of an NBA coach include12345: Creating strategies for the team Instructing the players Providing mentorship Analyzing strengths and weaknesses of opposing athletes and teams Playing during games to make player substitutions, call plays, and make decisions about strategy Instructing basketball players on proper techniques, sportsmanship, and basketball rules Managing the administrative duties of the job Recruiting top players
I feel like LeBron is showing us a glimpse of what’s going to happen. I feel like players are gonna get traded because of players like LBJ and they’re gonna make the shots like a GM.
Yes NBA coaching does matter. There are so many X's and O's that aren't obvious. Schemes, concepts, chemistry and team dynamics are all on the coach. The difference is that NBA teams can get away with being "good" without a good coaching if they have ridiculous talent. But most teams that win championships are with great coaches.
Dude, coaches matter. People need to be given direction and supervision. If you think people are going to figure out how to work well and together without a "coach" then you probably haven't worked a real job in your life or you were a basic employee who did not pay attention. lol
I’ve been watching the nuggets for a few years and what I’ve seen is how much they appreciate their coach. One of the few teams that feels like that “family” dynamic movies love to portray. Even with the loss I don’t see Mike Malone being fired anytime soon.
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Respect to your channel and grind, but I think this argument is just really flat: - Using LeBron/his career as an example for how a player or the league at large should operate never holds true. He's just such an extreme outlier in every situation. It's true that teams will prioritize stars over coaching but there are maybe 5 guys in the league who have that kind of pull. I think the real reason coaches get canned so much is because it's an easy way to show, as ownership, that you're "doing something" to fix your problems - I wish this video addressed the X's and O's a little more. Coaches have a very real impact on the game; you basically said exactly this when talking about the Bucks dumping Griffin in favor of Doc. The argument that the primary role of a coach is to be a teacher/disciplinarian is just kind of naive lol - I think you kind of float the idea that players don't respect coaches that used to be below average players because "they weren't good players so how would they know how to make a team good" which is also silly. Coaching is a skill and it's distinctly different than playing I like the content and style a lot, but the thesis of this vid is just a miss for me
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Another thing about the weird power dynamic is the contract size, like if a dude making supermax money is beefing with his coach, who's only making like a quarter of that, it's easier to eat the coach's contract than releasing/trading the player Never mind, he did mention the pay difference later
Thanks for the video, great as always my long-lost cousin! I feel like only the elite of the elite coaches matter, and it's about implementing a culture. Just what I've seen as a lifelong Heat fan.
My takeaway of this isn't coaches don't matter (which couldn't be more wrong) but that LeBron is an uncoachable egocentric diva. I agree in the nba tactical coaches like spo and pop only can work in the nba if they have the backing of the organisation. Otherwise it has to be the Phil Jackson buddy style of coaching
I think Coaches provide more value based on the team. A team like the Lakers won't be as affected by the coach while a team like the thunder is heavily influenced by coaching both in game and off the court.
basketball is the one sport where the plays don’t really matter it more skills and on court chemistry can over come the short comings of not having a coach calling plays.
cool vid. would've been nice to bring up some historical context as well. what was the coaching situation like 20, 30, 40 years ago? suggest changing the outro to recommend a healthier food.
The age and success comparison is definitely an interesting factor to consider, I would guess that plays a (significant) role in the decision making of who gets brought on board for a team. Although then again maybe not, the Luke Walton coaching Lebron thing kinda shows that chemistry or "likeability" can be other important parts of trying to help a whole team dynamic work. Wow didn't know about all that David Blatt stuff, that really shows how perspective plays a huge part in how those kind of things work out. Bron's gotta be a tough guy to coach. Also quite curious to see how this Lakers situation plays out. Dude I always love your analysis, your whole breakdown of Adrian Griffin and Jason Kidd stuff were a really cool reveal to me. Scapegoat concept pretty good too. Been a fan for a while now, your stuff is still so cool/good/fun. Thanks again for another one, you stay bein the main man for youtube hoops. Ap👏pre👏ci👏ate👏 you.
I'm hype for the Lakers offseason. I have no hope for them, but it'll be interesting to see what sacrificial lamb they bring into coach the team. I love the whole David Blatt saga. It was such an incredible perfect storm. New arrogant coach with the biggest name in basketball. They should make a movie. Hope Adrian Griffin gets a second chance somewhere. Lakers? lol. Appreciated the support over the years man (it's been years). Stay blessed, brother. hope you're doing well.
I would say it is a shame Lebron never got a legendary coach throughout his career like Kobe and MJ got. Yeah he had Pat Riley but he’s not comparable to Phil Jackson.
@@baron17He’s talking about a coach that is already a legend being hired to coach Lebron. Not a coach that becomes legendary while coaching Lebron. Greg Popovich is a great example of a coach that is already a legend that would’ve been a great coach for Lebron. Lebron isn’t going to sub himself in and out of a game with a coach that he respects.
@@FernServesGod was Phil Jackson already legendary when he started coaching the Bulls? Was Greg Popovich already legendary when he started coaching Tim Duncan? Any coach worth his salt would start benching LeBron until garbage time because that is where he shines
@@baron17 No they weren’t. We’re talking about Lebron though. So I don’t see your point. Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich would’ve been great coaches for Lebron. Any coach within their right mind wouldn’t play Lebron until garbage time.
college sports has always been more about the coaches and pro sports has always been more about the players. However the NBA does have a serious coaching problems with the way organizations handle the coaches. Part of it is the players being largely entitled, spoiled divas who often need to be coddled and who refuse to accept any accountability for their failures so the easiest thing they can do is blame the coach or try to get him fired. Frank Vogel won a championship with the Lakers and got fired not even 2 seasons later. Whether or not you think he deserved to get fired is irrelevant; the way he was fired was very unprofessional. He had to find out from a reporter that the Lakers basically fired him on Twitter. Monty Williams helped reestablish a winning culture for the Phoenix Suns, took them to the Finals and got fired. Mike Budenholzer won a championship with the Bucks and regularly won 50 or 60 games with that team, and still got fired. The Phoenix Suns pretty much set up Frank Vogel to fail when he took over that team because they got Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, but then added Bradley Beal. He wanted the front office to add a Point Guard, they didn't, they get sweeped, and gets axed because of the general incompetence of the Phoenix Suns front office. Its gotten to the point where you can be personally handpicked by the teams star player to be the coach and still end up getting fired as was the case with Adrian Griffin and Giannis. Its funny that a good focus on the video is on Lebron because he is widely known to be a coach killer. Kevin Durant would be the other guy. In particular, the Los Angeles Lakers and Detroit Pistons are such undesireable locations for head coaches. They literally had to ask Monty Williams twice. He said no the first time and they had to increase their offer so he would accept. When he was asked why he accepted the HC offer, he simply was being honest and said the money which is also a bad thing when you have a coach who doesn't really wanna be there and is really only there to get a paycheck which fuels some rumors that Monty was purposely trying to get fired from the Pistons. As for why nobody wants to coach the Lakers, lets look past the fact that outside of the bubble season, the Lakers have been a absolute circus of a team that repeatedly loses in embarassing fashion since Lebron got there from missing the playoffs twice, to losing in the first round twice to getting swept in the conference finals. The real reason why nobody wants to coach the Lakers is because they are not a stable organization. They are officially looking for their 4th head coach in 6 seasons and the teams star player is a nearly 40 year old Lebron who constantly puts the team into win now mode with these "quick fix" moves and if you fail, you get axed. No wonder Dan Hurley turned down that job
I think it's just pro sports. You gotta know what you're getting into when signing with a team. The job pays well, but you're the scapegoat everytime. I'd like to see the Lakers clean house and start from scratch with a coach that is ready to build a culture.
@whatslaps I would like to see the Lakers just start from scratch and build a new winning culture. You know that when the Clippers look like a more stable organization (Tyronn Lue got extended), that the Lakers are officially a clown show. Also forgot about JB Bickerstaff. He was the Cavs coach that took them to the playoffs for the first time since LeBron left that team as a dumpster fire to clean up after his mess. They make the playoffs for two straight seasons, they win their first playoff series since LeBron was there and JB Bickerstaff still gets fired. What do you have to do as a coach to maintain job security in the NBA? You can establish a winning culture and still get fired it seems. Though it's rumored that the firing was heavily facilitated by Donovan Mitchell (no surprise) But all of this goes to show you the difference between the poorly run organizations who constantly have a revolving door at coach vs the mostly well run, stable organizations that almost never have any coaching turnover such as the Golden State Warriors, Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs. Also special mention goes to the Dallas Mavericks. They have only had two head coaches since 2008
@whatslaps but I guess the question is a multifaceted one. A head coach matters in the NBA if you're part of a well run, competent, stable organization. It doesn't matter if you're coaching for a dysfunctional, dumpster fire of an organization. You can have the best coaching resume and still get fired. Just look at the Phoenix Suns, the Milwaukee Bucks and currently the Los Angeles Lakers. The Clippers who have largely been the joke of LA look like a more stable organization than the Lakers because there is no question marks regarding their coaching situation
im a celtics fan so im prolly biased even though i dont like the twerp, but i dont think joe gets enough credit for his defense because everyone just talks about them chucking 3s (which is true but thats what the roster is built to do) also he isnt a player so age doesnt really matter a ton but hes young and i still think he has room to grow. with that all said i cant believe this 3 chucking isoball experiment actually worked
Coaching isn't too important In the regular season but in the post season good coaching is extremely important look at a guy like spo his zone defensive schemes and ability to bring out the best in his players has managed to allow the heat to make it way further in the post season it's why despite the heats disappointing season he's the last person you'll see getting blamed. Then you also have the ego managing aspect a guy like Steve nash wasn't just bad at regular coaching he also was terrible at creating a team first culture which led to a bunch of turmoil and in fighting that led to the implosion of the nets. In reverse of that j Kidd has been able to create a great culture for the mavs who when you look at there actual roster aren't even as good as a most other contenders but he's managed to create a sense of accountability for the team that's lead to guys like luka and kyrie buying in on the defensive side and there role players playing harder then they usually would to do the little things. But with that fit is also a thing Vogel was always an awful fit with the sun's he's a great defensive coach with no primary defenders offensively he's always been average to below that, I don't know what the suns were thinking in hiring him in the first place, where ty lue while he has his flaws is extremely creative with his line ups and schemes, on the clippers it's his biggest strength but on the cavs allot of people would call it a weakness as during the regular season with them he'd throw out some God awful line ups.
I think there is a major gap between NBA player skills and team execution. NBA defensive schemes are still executed very poorly. Offense can be different thanks to an emphasis on iso scoring but generally players still fumble offense too. Maybe it’s because players think they’re done developing? But evidence shows there is still a lot of development available for NBA players. I don’t see many coaches able to fully run a strategy with players fully buying in.
I think it does matter.Ideally the head coach would give the team the best scheme on offense and defense. The BEST scheme based off knowledge of the game. There one person decides the best course of action. Like a leader
If the team is taking bad shots and not getting good contest it’s the coaches fault. Unless players don’t buy in like you said then it’s their fault. I think Boston right now is out coaching Dallas. One team is mismatch and drive and kick. And Dallas is more hero ball. I get their players are less talented but not finding other ways for them to get easier shots is bad coaching. Theirs just standing their taking inefficiency 3’s
I wish anyone who talked about the bucks firing Adrian griffin would mention the bucks had the easiest strength of schedule and was having knockdown drag out games with poverty teams when they were supposed to be at worst the 3rd best team in the league
🤣🤣Ah I remember when my little cousin was spamming these same garbage ass take when he was in High school and College. Now it's ''sorry ass players don't want to be coached'. There's a reason you have someone to teach you how to hone a craft/material. Good Video
How do teams like the hornets rebuild coming from a hornets fan how do we rebuild we have a good enough roster for the play in but injuries and we never have a good pick
@whatslaps You put out a lot of content, so it's understandable. I'd love to see you do a video about the phenomenon of bigs now taking on traditionally pg roles and its impact on MVP and other reward races. Maybe even sprinkle in how the reverse (smalls playing like bigs) has seen little success/hasn't been pulled off correctly. Appreciate you ❤️
@@whatslaps I agree w what u said in the vid, but the same arguments applied to Nash and he still became hc I guess only time will tell also cuz Monty Williams has been linked too and he’s prob a better fit
This channel is a true gem. Not overly focused on stats and analytics, no out of field media bs either, just great takes on basketball stuff wrapped into some awesome dynamic editing and presented by a host that is both charismatic and intelligent. Thank you for the content, hope you continue to grow and put out great videos.
Thanks for the praise, man! Glad you're enjoying the content!
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thats why Tom Thibodeau is so interesting as a coach because everyone in the league says they don't want to play for him but those who have respect him so much
I never understood why thibs didn't take the side of jimmy in minnesota
players want to play man, who would NOT want to play 40 minutes a game every other night?
As someone who grew up watching European basketball it was a shock to the system for me to see how NBA coaches are treated nowadays. Always in the backburner and outright disrespected, even after winning a Championship. Just look at Budenholzer and Vogel.
Ps. W video bro, keep it up.
NFL turnover is even faster. Coaches get no respect. EPL turns over managers pretty quick though too right?
@@whatslaps Let's not forget about the NHL turnover, too...
@@whatslapsEPL coach turnover tends to be pretty fast but when a coach is actually given the chance and then ends up succeeding they are rewarded for tenures pretty much as long as they want
@@whatslapsepl managers do have high turnover but its usually poor performance. when they are in charge they garner a LOT of respect.
Posting right before Hurley resigned with UConn is funny 😂
had to get this sucker out quick
Wise fellas.
They waved a bunch of money in front of him to hide the bullet he would have taken 😂
My ideal coach is 2012-2014 era Pop. He had a legion of veterans and reliable role-players with significant experience playing alongside one another. They knew how to play basketball and didn't need a tutor Pop even joked about it during a coach's workshop, that telling his players that they have to make shots or grab boards is the most obvious, unhelpful advice possible. What he did do is iron out the best rotations, keep players rested and healthy, make adjustments that swung games, call timeouts the moment the other team built momentum, strictly enforce decisive actions on both ends of the floor, and instill mental toughness at all times. Their collective ability to execute at the end of games was second-to-none, and they could even operate with four seconds on the shot-clock better than most teams could with 24.
End of game is definitely where a coach needs to know what's going on and how to plan. Football even more so, you gotta do so much math on the fly.
You're saying that with bias to the Spurs
@@whatslapsmore so not
I think coaches matter when the team is actually coachable. I think most of the work is done during training, not on game day. It pays to prepare.
exactly.
Right? Its pretty evident when you have a team thats cohesive and flows with good strategy and understanding between teams and coaches
Dan Hurley and Lebron are going to be an interesting pair.
Edit: 45 minutes after I posted this, he turns down the Lakers job 😂
It wouldn't have worked it would have been a nightmare for him.
he watched the video and noped out
@@InnocuousInes-pe8mkdamn, so they going with JJ??
I think your point about good college coaches not translating well to the big leagues is seen over and over again in the NFL. Legendary coaches like Nick Saban and more recently Urban Meyer sputter and implode after a year because they lose a lot of the control they were used to. A college freshman is much more malleable and actually coachable from a benevolent dictator type approach, and their track records actually give credence to the amount of control they exude. However, that shit doesn't fly with grown-ass men, all of whom were at one point considered 'that guy.' Managing egos and personalities is no easy task. Coaches actually have to treat their players with respect to earn respect; it's not given like in college. I will say that because a player chooses to go to a certain team versus a draft where a player is sent to the team that picks them also muddies the waters. If a player chooses to commit to a school, it's a choice that they are consciously making. All that to say, that's why Pop is the GOAT.
that's true. also with college football recruiting is half the job.
In my opinion this is why the NFL feels more well rounded bcs the coaches job is super important and to mention that they are more in charge while NBA coaches kinda feels like a side gig
NFL is more captain of a ship and NBA is more dude driving the speed boat.
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theres something so perfect about the combination of how you edit and speak
I'm blushing.
1 year ago: "New celtics coach can never replicate Ime, they lost their defensive identity"
Now: "What a fantastic coach"
I know. The celtics had a killer squad whole time.
Whos calling him a fantastic coach? Everybody seems to acknowledge that this celtics team is primarily a masterclass in team construction. Having 2 current allstars, 2 former allstars in their prime, and 1 former allstar turned high level roleplayer is absolutely nuts. And thats not even mentioning derrick white who might be the best complimentary player in the league and arguably 3rd best player on the team.
@@jojoprocess2820people used this logic to discredit Steve Kerr’s contributions with the Warriors but that’s such a naive way of looking at it. It takes a truly elite coach to maximize the players you have, instill confidence in your players and your philosophies (especially in a locker room with multiple all-stars), not to mention, winning the locker room
Left a comment last video saying about how you should do more abstract nba concepts, and this is exactly what I mean. Good stuff.
yeah, I like that kind of stuff. the shelf life is long too.
In every sport I've watched ive noticed that the best teams usually have coaches who are more friends and peers who cooperate with the team and even players on an individual level. It's really all about building good vibes which can take teams the farthest even as the playoffs place huge pressures on their bodies and minds
yeah, it's a matter of the right coach for the right team
Another great video, wondering if you would make one on how the Finals, especially in the past couple of years, have felt more like the regular season in terms of the broadcast side of things. Just doesn't feel as grand as it once used to.
You'll like Monday's video for sure, man.
Yea the last finals that felt like the actual finals was 2022
I’ve always questioned myself how can a coach train the team and build the chemistry on a league that there is a game each day
that is true. more of a glorified wrangler during the season.
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will do! can't see without em!
Video suggestion: Why Jayson Tatum's shooting doesn't matter (With the "his team would still win" meme template as the thumbnail)
Or just "Why Jayson Tatum's team would still win"
Love the editing man! these videos show you know your stuff and make it engaging keep up the work!
thanks! Glad you're digging the vids, player.
at the end of the day if you are a PROFESIONAL player it is part of your job to follow the instructions of your PROFESIONAL coach, its his job for a reason
but once a player's ego gets inflated, he can't see it that way.
@@whatslaps And most of the time, its the players fault.
The responsibilities of an NBA coach include12345:
Creating strategies for the team
Instructing the players
Providing mentorship
Analyzing strengths and weaknesses of opposing athletes and teams
Playing during games to make player substitutions, call plays, and make decisions about strategy
Instructing basketball players on proper techniques, sportsmanship, and basketball rules
Managing the administrative duties of the job
Recruiting top players
Exactly. I'd say about 20 percent of a team success is a result of the head and staff
I think basketball is the one sport with this where coaches are barely talked about. I barely know coaches outside of the legends.
football coordination is way more important to a team.
Basketball is the one sport where a generational talent can will a team to victory. Football, Baseball, soccer require good coaching to be successful.
I feel like LeBron is showing us a glimpse of what’s going to happen. I feel like players are gonna get traded because of players like LBJ and they’re gonna make the shots like a GM.
Yeah, it never works. I understand letting a player like Lebron weigh in on a decision, but letting him make calls is foolish
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me too, man. me too
editing is really good
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Yes NBA coaching does matter. There are so many X's and O's that aren't obvious. Schemes, concepts, chemistry and team dynamics are all on the coach.
The difference is that NBA teams can get away with being "good" without a good coaching if they have ridiculous talent. But most teams that win championships are with great coaches.
that's true. that's true.
I pretty much watch every video and seeing you consistently growing makes me smile hopefully this accelerates you deserve it!
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Dude, coaches matter.
People need to be given direction and supervision.
If you think people are going to figure out how to work well and together without a "coach" then you probably haven't worked a real job in your life or you were a basic employee who did not pay attention.
lol
for sure. the title is just click baiting mostly. I'd say coaches are about 20-30 percent of a team's success.
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haha, I'm sure I had major influence.
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I've actually Brazil. Went to Paraty, Isla Grande and Rio. had a blast
I’ve been watching the nuggets for a few years and what I’ve seen is how much they appreciate their coach. One of the few teams that feels like that “family” dynamic movies love to portray. Even with the loss I don’t see Mike Malone being fired anytime soon.
I agree. The best coaches create a culture.
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Getting me paid ain't cringe at all, my man.
Maynard James Keenan has a NBA youtube channel?? Excellent.
I'll take it.
@@whatslaps it's a compliment
Respect to your channel and grind, but I think this argument is just really flat:
- Using LeBron/his career as an example for how a player or the league at large should operate never holds true. He's just such an extreme outlier in every situation. It's true that teams will prioritize stars over coaching but there are maybe 5 guys in the league who have that kind of pull. I think the real reason coaches get canned so much is because it's an easy way to show, as ownership, that you're "doing something" to fix your problems
- I wish this video addressed the X's and O's a little more. Coaches have a very real impact on the game; you basically said exactly this when talking about the Bucks dumping Griffin in favor of Doc. The argument that the primary role of a coach is to be a teacher/disciplinarian is just kind of naive lol
- I think you kind of float the idea that players don't respect coaches that used to be below average players because "they weren't good players so how would they know how to make a team good" which is also silly. Coaching is a skill and it's distinctly different than playing
I like the content and style a lot, but the thesis of this vid is just a miss for me
Sorry man. Maybe you'll like next week's video 🤞
You can’t convince me that their isn’t 6 coaches coaching 5 nba teams each
what do mean?
@@whatslapsit’s a joke my friends and I made because it seems like the same 6 coaches are just bouncing around the league
5:19 omg hes just like me
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jj reddick gonna be back to podcasting in less than a year
give it two seasons
@@whatslaps unless jj has a "no scapegoat firing" clause i can't imagine 2 years being possible
Hey man, one day you WILL have a million subs. There is no way you can make videos that are THIS high quality and original without blowing up eventually 🔥 im happy to be along for the ride
thanks man! channel has been growing a lot lately.
As a hornets fan, I will gladly take an ECF sweep
Start with a playoff birth and take it from there ;)
I swear to god. That was excellent commentary. I love your videos
god bless. thanks man
Another thing about the weird power dynamic is the contract size, like if a dude making supermax money is beefing with his coach, who's only making like a quarter of that, it's easier to eat the coach's contract than releasing/trading the player
Never mind, he did mention the pay difference later
I should have gone in on it a bit more.
Thanks for the video, great as always my long-lost cousin!
I feel like only the elite of the elite coaches matter, and it's about implementing a culture. Just what I've seen as a lifelong Heat fan.
It's the culture and system the coach builds that matters.
Love your videos man. Been binging them them the past week.
that's what's up. glad you dig em
My takeaway of this isn't coaches don't matter (which couldn't be more wrong) but that LeBron is an uncoachable egocentric diva. I agree in the nba tactical coaches like spo and pop only can work in the nba if they have the backing of the organisation. Otherwise it has to be the Phil Jackson buddy style of coaching
exactly Phil Jackson would probably be the only coach Lebron would treat as an authority figure.
@@whatslapsPat Riley says hello egg brain
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I'm glad too.
This concept is wild and probably why so many talented NBA teams underperform given they don’t understand the value of a coach.
I think Coaches provide more value based on the team. A team like the Lakers won't be as affected by the coach while a team like the thunder is heavily influenced by coaching both in game and off the court.
Pop is only real coach in the league and he is treated as one.
I'd say spo too
No. Smooth brain
This channel is gonna get big
feels big to me now tbh
Yuge
@@whatslaps I imagine you being one of the biggest nba yt channels
basketball is the one sport where the plays don’t really matter it more skills and on court chemistry can over come the short comings of not having a coach calling plays.
yeah way more improvisation than most sports
Yeah keep telling yourself that
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You are the reason I'm getting into Basketball... so thanks.
happy to hear it man! glad you're enjoying the game.
cool vid. would've been nice to bring up some historical context as well. what was the coaching situation like 20, 30, 40 years ago?
suggest changing the outro to recommend a healthier food.
that could be good. good shelf life on that video. unlike the corndogs
The age and success comparison is definitely an interesting factor to consider, I would guess that plays a (significant) role in the decision making of who gets brought on board for a team. Although then again maybe not, the Luke Walton coaching Lebron thing kinda shows that chemistry or "likeability" can be other important parts of trying to help a whole team dynamic work. Wow didn't know about all that David Blatt stuff, that really shows how perspective plays a huge part in how those kind of things work out. Bron's gotta be a tough guy to coach. Also quite curious to see how this Lakers situation plays out. Dude I always love your analysis, your whole breakdown of Adrian Griffin and Jason Kidd stuff were a really cool reveal to me. Scapegoat concept pretty good too. Been a fan for a while now, your stuff is still so cool/good/fun. Thanks again for another one, you stay bein the main man for youtube hoops. Ap👏pre👏ci👏ate👏 you.
I'm hype for the Lakers offseason. I have no hope for them, but it'll be interesting to see what sacrificial lamb they bring into coach the team. I love the whole David Blatt saga. It was such an incredible perfect storm. New arrogant coach with the biggest name in basketball. They should make a movie. Hope Adrian Griffin gets a second chance somewhere. Lakers? lol. Appreciated the support over the years man (it's been years). Stay blessed, brother. hope you're doing well.
Heyo video idea: Small market team building vs big market team building and why it’s funnier when big teams fail
that's pretty good. compare the business models between the two and profitability.
Thanks!
Muchos gracias, mi amigo. the support means a lot.
hi whatslaps thank you for the morning video, it makes monday fun
Monday rule.
I love this channel bro
I love you 😳
@@whatslapsong bro? 😳
I would say it is a shame Lebron never got a legendary coach throughout his career like Kobe and MJ got. Yeah he had Pat Riley but he’s not comparable to Phil Jackson.
I know. I don't think they were interested in working with him though.
How would a coach become legendary if LeBron just do whatever he pleases and subs himself in and out whenever? Btw Erik Spoelstra is up there.
@@baron17He’s talking about a coach that is already a legend being hired to coach Lebron. Not a coach that becomes legendary while coaching Lebron. Greg Popovich is a great example of a coach that is already a legend that would’ve been a great coach for Lebron. Lebron isn’t going to sub himself in and out of a game with a coach that he respects.
@@FernServesGod was Phil Jackson already legendary when he started coaching the Bulls? Was Greg Popovich already legendary when he started coaching Tim Duncan? Any coach worth his salt would start benching LeBron until garbage time because that is where he shines
@@baron17 No they weren’t. We’re talking about Lebron though. So I don’t see your point. Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich would’ve been great coaches for Lebron. Any coach within their right mind wouldn’t play Lebron until garbage time.
Ayeee don’t forget Steve Nash and that quick ass stint w/ the nets 😳
I should have brought up KD asking for everyone to be fired. lol
The nets are just dysfunctional overall
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@@whatslaps hell yeah bro great work!!
I’m going to eat a corn dog.
Hope you enjoy
You're so real for this.
enjoy my friend
i hope you are good to your mother
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college sports has always been more about the coaches and pro sports has always been more about the players. However the NBA does have a serious coaching problems with the way organizations handle the coaches. Part of it is the players being largely entitled, spoiled divas who often need to be coddled and who refuse to accept any accountability for their failures so the easiest thing they can do is blame the coach or try to get him fired.
Frank Vogel won a championship with the Lakers and got fired not even 2 seasons later. Whether or not you think he deserved to get fired is irrelevant; the way he was fired was very unprofessional. He had to find out from a reporter that the Lakers basically fired him on Twitter.
Monty Williams helped reestablish a winning culture for the Phoenix Suns, took them to the Finals and got fired.
Mike Budenholzer won a championship with the Bucks and regularly won 50 or 60 games with that team, and still got fired.
The Phoenix Suns pretty much set up Frank Vogel to fail when he took over that team because they got Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, but then added Bradley Beal. He wanted the front office to add a Point Guard, they didn't, they get sweeped, and gets axed because of the general incompetence of the Phoenix Suns front office.
Its gotten to the point where you can be personally handpicked by the teams star player to be the coach and still end up getting fired as was the case with Adrian Griffin and Giannis.
Its funny that a good focus on the video is on Lebron because he is widely known to be a coach killer. Kevin Durant would be the other guy.
In particular, the Los Angeles Lakers and Detroit Pistons are such undesireable locations for head coaches. They literally had to ask Monty Williams twice. He said no the first time and they had to increase their offer so he would accept. When he was asked why he accepted the HC offer, he simply was being honest and said the money which is also a bad thing when you have a coach who doesn't really wanna be there and is really only there to get a paycheck which fuels some rumors that Monty was purposely trying to get fired from the Pistons.
As for why nobody wants to coach the Lakers, lets look past the fact that outside of the bubble season, the Lakers have been a absolute circus of a team that repeatedly loses in embarassing fashion since Lebron got there from missing the playoffs twice, to losing in the first round twice to getting swept in the conference finals. The real reason why nobody wants to coach the Lakers is because they are not a stable organization. They are officially looking for their 4th head coach in 6 seasons and the teams star player is a nearly 40 year old Lebron who constantly puts the team into win now mode with these "quick fix" moves and if you fail, you get axed. No wonder Dan Hurley turned down that job
I think it's just pro sports. You gotta know what you're getting into when signing with a team. The job pays well, but you're the scapegoat everytime. I'd like to see the Lakers clean house and start from scratch with a coach that is ready to build a culture.
@whatslaps I would like to see the Lakers just start from scratch and build a new winning culture. You know that when the Clippers look like a more stable organization (Tyronn Lue got extended), that the Lakers are officially a clown show.
Also forgot about JB Bickerstaff. He was the Cavs coach that took them to the playoffs for the first time since LeBron left that team as a dumpster fire to clean up after his mess. They make the playoffs for two straight seasons, they win their first playoff series since LeBron was there and JB Bickerstaff still gets fired. What do you have to do as a coach to maintain job security in the NBA? You can establish a winning culture and still get fired it seems. Though it's rumored that the firing was heavily facilitated by Donovan Mitchell (no surprise)
But all of this goes to show you the difference between the poorly run organizations who constantly have a revolving door at coach vs the mostly well run, stable organizations that almost never have any coaching turnover such as the Golden State Warriors, Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs. Also special mention goes to the Dallas Mavericks. They have only had two head coaches since 2008
@whatslaps but I guess the question is a multifaceted one. A head coach matters in the NBA if you're part of a well run, competent, stable organization. It doesn't matter if you're coaching for a dysfunctional, dumpster fire of an organization. You can have the best coaching resume and still get fired. Just look at the Phoenix Suns, the Milwaukee Bucks and currently the Los Angeles Lakers. The Clippers who have largely been the joke of LA look like a more stable organization than the Lakers because there is no question marks regarding their coaching situation
@@masterchiefwasdonedirty9705Vogel won no chip with the Lakers
Whose here when JJ is now the lakers coach
@d0ppelk0rn showed up
Every Monday I wake up excited
I don't even sleep on sunday
what do you use to edit your videos my man? Top quality stuff
just final cut pro
im a celtics fan so im prolly biased even though i dont like the twerp, but i dont think joe gets enough credit for his defense because everyone just talks about them chucking 3s (which is true but thats what the roster is built to do) also he isnt a player so age doesnt really matter a ton but hes young and i still think he has room to grow. with that all said i cant believe this 3 chucking isoball experiment actually worked
they chuck so they can get back for transitions defense. It's a pretty cool strategy.
@@whatslaps 🤷idk man thank god or jrue holiday or smtn
Blatt deserves that '16 ring
I think they gave it to him. he refused but eventually took it.
Coaching isn't too important In the regular season but in the post season good coaching is extremely important look at a guy like spo his zone defensive schemes and ability to bring out the best in his players has managed to allow the heat to make it way further in the post season it's why despite the heats disappointing season he's the last person you'll see getting blamed.
Then you also have the ego managing aspect a guy like Steve nash wasn't just bad at regular coaching he also was terrible at creating a team first culture which led to a bunch of turmoil and in fighting that led to the implosion of the nets.
In reverse of that j Kidd has been able to create a great culture for the mavs who when you look at there actual roster aren't even as good as a most other contenders but he's managed to create a sense of accountability for the team that's lead to guys like luka and kyrie buying in on the defensive side and there role players playing harder then they usually would to do the little things.
But with that fit is also a thing Vogel was always an awful fit with the sun's he's a great defensive coach with no primary defenders offensively he's always been average to below that, I don't know what the suns were thinking in hiring him in the first place, where ty lue while he has his flaws is extremely creative with his line ups and schemes, on the clippers it's his biggest strength but on the cavs allot of people would call it a weakness as during the regular season with them he'd throw out some God awful line ups.
I think coaches matter. Like you said with Vogel sometimes the choices feel a bit arbitrary. Same with the firings.
as a pistons fan, coaching matters 💔
yeah, true. especially with a young team.
I think there is a major gap between NBA player skills and team execution. NBA defensive schemes are still executed very poorly. Offense can be different thanks to an emphasis on iso scoring but generally players still fumble offense too. Maybe it’s because players think they’re done developing? But evidence shows there is still a lot of development available for NBA players. I don’t see many coaches able to fully run a strategy with players fully buying in.
Exactly. I think college players come in ready to grow and get better.
Great video
thanx mane
i always thought coaches served little to no impact unless the team is younger and needs more experience
I'd say 13 percent for vet teams and 40 percent for young teams
criminally underrated
someone really should arrest me.
starting to definitely seem like the coach doesnt matter as much as it used to
that's a good point. It'd be interesting to see a team run without a coach.
@@whatslaps maybe just have a guy to just sub out players every once in awile
you filled the motown noah void and for that we thank you
Is motown noah on hiatus?
The Lakers did not offer Hurley more money than Uconn or Kentucky either. Easy choice for Hurley.
Dang. Lakers should have ponied up.
@@whatslaps this coming from a team that applied for the PPP loans lol
*Doc River enters the chat*
sup?
@@whatslaps hard to place a word when he’s always choking
I think it does matter.Ideally the head coach would give the team the best scheme on offense and defense. The BEST scheme based off knowledge of the game. There one person decides the best course of action. Like a leader
It matters. I think the coaches just get blamed way too much.
If the team is taking bad shots and not getting good contest it’s the coaches fault. Unless players don’t buy in like you said then it’s their fault. I think Boston right now is out coaching Dallas. One team is mismatch and drive and kick. And Dallas is more hero ball. I get their players are less talented but not finding other ways for them to get easier shots is bad coaching. Theirs just standing their taking inefficiency 3’s
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these ones are from zenni optical
i send these to my girlfriend and she loves them, she isn’t even a huge ball head
Nice! I'm sure she'll come around 🏀
coaches have little impact, so when coaches are bad or make mistakes its a little more obvious than a good coach
I agree. no one notices the coach until things go wrong.
I am still peeved on how dirty LeBron and the cavs axed Blatt.
In fairness to Lebron and Cleveland, he did make a lot of mistakes.
@@whatslaps didn't they have one of the best records in the league when he was fired?
Do a video on the thunder if you haven't already
a few weeks ago, there's a video about rebuilds. you'll like it.
I wish anyone who talked about the bucks firing Adrian griffin would mention the bucks had the easiest strength of schedule and was having knockdown drag out games with poverty teams when they were supposed to be at worst the 3rd best team in the league
True. Still a bad look. hope AG gets another chance.
Yawn
I wanna see Jose Mourinho type coach try coaching Lebron
Spo seems close I think
Jose rules, but he's know Harry Redknap.
Oh this is an unhinged title slaps, I like it.
can't watch a video, if you don't click on it.
The celtics coach has done some magic this year...kidd had moments vs lue mark and he owned finch but yeah he is overrated...
Joe Maz needs a coach of the year award.
Yawn
People always forget that the mavericks were tanking
yeah, true. but the point that they had a disappointing season still stands.
Watch any video by the channel “awful coaching” and you will see why coaching 100% matters
true true. you definitely can't suck totally.
JASON KIDD, criminal, nepostism,we live in NORTH KOREA coaching vs celtics game 2
if jj becomes the lakers head coach i genuinely believe his coaching career is gonna be over before it even begins
I'd like to see him in Cleveland. I thought he was a shoe in for the Nets, not sure if they interviewed him even.
So in which way do coaches matter?
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Yes, unless you’re Lebron or Giannis
or KD
🤣🤣Ah I remember when my little cousin was spamming these same garbage ass take when he was in High school and College. Now it's ''sorry ass players don't want to be coached'. There's a reason you have someone to teach you how to hone a craft/material. Good Video
haha, we all think we know.
@@whatslaps Fr got Humbled early and fast 😂
How do teams like the hornets rebuild coming from a hornets fan how do we rebuild we have a good enough roster for the play in but injuries and we never have a good pick
Brandon Miller looks good, but the Bridges thing derailed everything. Along with the Hayward injuries. stay strong man.
Jamal mosley coach of the year
Mosely got the juice
Ayyy!!! Awesome video, my dude. Appreciate you listening to comments :)
I have to. I'm out of ideas.
@whatslaps You put out a lot of content, so it's understandable. I'd love to see you do a video about the phenomenon of bigs now taking on traditionally pg roles and its impact on MVP and other reward races. Maybe even sprinkle in how the reverse (smalls playing like bigs) has seen little success/hasn't been pulled off correctly. Appreciate you ❤️
If this were true there would be a lot of winning teams with bad coaches. And there are not.
yeah, they matter some. title was big time clickbaitin.
@@whatslaps lol I ain’t mad at ya, got to get that algorithm jumping somehow
best day of the week
you and me both brother
Isn’t JJ gonna be the lakers coach now that Hurley turned it down
I bet he doesn't take it.
@@whatslaps I agree w what u said in the vid, but the same arguments applied to Nash and he still became hc
I guess only time will tell also cuz Monty Williams has been linked too and he’s prob a better fit
Monty would definitely bail on Detroit for sunny LA if they match his pay the Pistons gave him@@HenryZhoupokemon