An update on two things... 1. I forgot to show that there is a swatch card inside the cardboard packaging slipcover - Handy! 2. Woomer have also responded about my confusion with the pencil names in the Lightfast Test, this is their reply; "The reason for the discrepancy in the model number you referred to is that it was the pencil core that was sent in for testing. So the results are written with the core model number corresponding to the factory, while the number on the colored pencils corresponds to the final product that was produced." Interesting! Need to find that lightfast Goldenrod! 😉 And finally... these pencils are not yet available on Amazon UK 😕 but Woomer have provided a 10% discount code off the pencils on Amazon US via this link:- amz.run/9Wru Happy Colouring!
The thing that makes your reviews stand out is how much you honestly care about each medium you test and how thoroughly you test each thing to ensure that we benefit from adding these items to our art collection. 😊 And you are so involved and excited about each step that I need to see the results! It's refreshing to see someone so dedicated to their craft and tools. ❤ You make me want to create! 🥰
Still in the begining of the video but ive seen nothing but good things on these pencils. Ive been excited to get them and excited to see what ur outcome is! I love that youre going so in depth with this... Awesome job!
Phew, that was a mammoth in depth play date brought to you by Inspector Lily of the Yard 🤩 I was thinking that they'd played sneaky buggers and switched out the pencils for that other well known brand, it would be interesting (but far too much work) to see if that other brand's 72 set matched the report🤔 Anyhoo, hope you're all doing well and enjoying your well deserved rest 😘
I am going to also add these remind me a lot of my Derwent Drawing Pencils- that same buttery consistency. I am going to do a page with both of them together, it's fall so they should play nice together. My only complaint about the derwent drawing pencils is I wish there were more of them, they are one of my favorite pencils.
Mmm!! if I needed lightfast not sure I'd trust these so much but that's just me, great you took the time out to do this Lily so much work and time involved thanks for doing this. 😘xx
@crossstitchbutton Thanks twinnie! Yes, it's like me saying "I was timed running a marathon.. that time was 18h". It doesn't really mean anything unless you're up there with the elite athletes! 🥰
Wow, what a wonderfully informative test and video! Thank you so much for all your hard work! The pencils that faded seem to be some of the usual culprits, but i was surprised that more of the reds and pinks didn't fade!
Fantastic testing! As always, thank you for the effort and all the research. This info is very helpful. Yes, the Woomer pencils are higher than average in price, but the fact that they are actually lightfast at all makes them worth the extra cost. I think these are a good value for the money. I can see these being used by those who like to hang up their finished works in places that are not in direct sunlight. (My finished pages don't leave the books they're in, but admittedly, I broke down bought a set of these a few days ago before I saw this review just because I was curious.)
I love watching you test products! Very interesting review. Like you, lightfastness doesn’t matter to me , for the same reasons. Seems to me, that as there are so many “budget friendly artist quality” pencil sets out there, this company paid for a cheap test so they had a unique selling point. Some lovely colours though - 415 is my favourite if anyone’s interested! 🤣x
I noticed some gaps in the numbering, I’m wondering if they plan on expanding the colours in the future? Still watching….regardless of the outcome, you are so dedicated to undertake this sort of test!
Very tempting. At my age these are probably lightfast enough. The color arrangement is a little odd. I did try to post a reply earlier but it seems to have disappeared, if it shows up I'll delete one......
@colorcrazy2944 See I'm not sure the point of lightfast testing, apart from you can say "these have been lightfast tested". But that's like me saying "I've been timed running the marathon". That time was 18h.. but I was still recorded! It kinda means nothing if it doesn't compete with the true athletes...
Considering how well the pencils actually did over a month, I think maybe they didn't do the blue wool test how we expect? The paperwork says Blue Wool Standard 5, and so maybe instead of 8 different strips they tested against a standard with only five? Googling around to vendors that sell blue wool standards, I do see test strips with only five. Because I really think with that many colors holding up that well over a full month, surely at least one of them would have scored a 6 or 7 at least if they were doing the test we are presuming? Liked and subscribed, thanks for putting in the time to do this testing. I'm going to buy the set.
I told myself I was not going to buy another cheap set of pencils but was curious about them, but what is one more set right? LOL. I like them a lot better than Prisma, they are definitely the softest pencil I own, softer than both Prisma and Holbein. I don't put a lot of faith in their so called lightfast testing because the names are not matching the pencil (AZ is an abbreviate for a pigment). I also wonder if the test is published in the actual Blue Wool testing or the ASTM testing libraries? Companies pay a lot of money to have them tested AND publicly published that is why Luminance and Lightfast are so respected. With that said they are fine for a easy traveling set and easy on the pocket book. The best cheap set I have to date, better than Arrtex, Brutfuner and Faber Castel Black Edition. They work well in Rita Berman's books on her slick paper. Thanks for going to all this trouble testing.
@KessaWitdaFro They're not hard hard... not as hard as Polychromos but they did seem harder than other Chinese pencils. They blended beautifully though.
I've never tried the Schpirerr Farben as I'm not a fan of hard pencils so have avoided purchasing them. I'll have to dig out/find my Cezannes to remind myself what they are like. Although I might have given them away (which I did with any pencils that were in the "harder than I'd like" category)
I live in Phoenix Arizona and if I could afford to get those I would do the other half of the light fast testing that is done by the industry because it's done here
That's correct, they have been out a while in the US. I'm not trying to be the first to review them 😅 Woomer contacted me and sent me the pencils to test & review in preparation of their European release. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Help!!!. Are we still doing this? Did the Woomer vendor realize what he was asking? We're talking about $30 pencils! $30! The pencils are great for colorist. Anyone selling art wouldn't consider using an unknown product such as this...right? Anyway, for the price, these pencils are able to hold their own against any other $30 pencil. I acknowledge only the minimal four weeks of testing took place and if they were left out longer, the test may have shown lightfastness closer to the Blue Wool Standards results. Also the pencils have obviously gone through a bit of change since testing... may be they were improved, which presents better than not being able to live up to the rating assigned. Some of the other pencils on your list should improve or lower their rating. For example Stephanie Kilgast did light fast testing for several brands of pencils, some for 2 years and some for 1 year, before presenting results. She recommends Caran d’Ache Luminance(1) and Royal Talens' Van Gogh (2) for lightfastness. Ms. Kilgast found Prismacolor's ASTM rating to be is spot on, so users can just check the pencil before using it for their purpose. However Polychromos results were "disappointing to say the least". She acknowledged Faber-Castell's test to be 20 years old, but in my opinion for the price paid in the U.S., the user shouldn't have to question the the accuracy of this product's rating. At least with Prismacolors, you know exactly what you're getting. Since even the new Polychromos pencils tested all faded, Ms. Kilgast wouldn't recommend the brand for anyone who holds lightfastness important. Google/youtube presents other testers who received similar results, which is the reason Caran d'Ache Pablo weren't recommended. Another youtuber, name I can't remember, said looking at the Pablo pigment list allows artist to easily see which colors have a chance of fading. He stated Pablo (also, Supracolor and Prismalo) ratings seem to be based on short-time artificial UV tests which don’t provide accurate results about the products lightfastness in normal household lighting. No matter the testing, colored pencil vendors/manufactures aren't forthright with ratings. This makes it difficult to assume how a pencil will perform longterm and even what information the vendor is attempting to present. For example Lisa Lachri explained Faber-Castell's Star System is based on "the Blue Wool Scale of 1-8". If that's true, why not just use the Blue Wool Scale? You mentioned the ASTM scale has 5 ratings while other artist are now saying the newer ASTM consists of 4 ratings... And maybe this is what Caran d'Ache is using???? I agree with the guy who's name I can't remember. Anyone who wants to be absolutely sure should place their swatches on a sunny window for the entire summer. That should be enough time to tell the really bad colors from useful ones. Most artist know fluorescent pigments like BV10, which makes opera rose beautiful, are fugitive and synthetic/organic pigments such as Phthalo PG7 are stable, so they could test the questionable ones. By now you should be able to tell I've watched way.... too many "lightfast" rating videos not to be getting paid for art.🤣🤣🤣 Are colorist legally able to sell artwork done using another artist's line drawing? And what about artist who conflate alcohol markers with color pencils... which negates the colored pencil's lightfastness anyway? Maybe I need more data, or less.🧐😵💫😵💫😵💫😵🥴 Anyway, much love to you for taking on this endeavor. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@ArtJourneyUK 🤣🤣🤣 Started as a joke, then last years memories of trying to decide Luminance or Lightfast came flooding back. Great content, Great Channel
4 weeks is not enough to test lightfastnees. I was told it should take st least 3 months ofintence sun (summer months) or 6 months of non-summer months to test it
@katsmith8263 It's enough to get an idea of which colours are very fugitive. Also, the official test only rates them as 4-5 anyway (as I showed) which isn't considered lightfast to the same degree as Luminance and Derwent Lightfast pencils 🥰
Been eyeing the pencils since I watched Sugahsweets reviews on them. Unfortunately the discount code is not for international Amazon and only for US …….. costs even more if I were to buy from the US site.
@@ArtJourneyUK Yes you did mention in the video. I was too excited watching your shorts hearing the word discount that i jumped straight over to your video for the code before watching the full video. I wanted to give it a try as my local amazon in asia does drop ship from the US amazon and was hoping it would work. Its on my local amazon, i wanted a discount but too bad it didn’t work. Didn’t mean to be rude if i was, sorry.
@nywf1824 When I get back from holiday, I'll ask Woomer if they can give me a Global Amazon code instead. Will let you know. No promises I'll get one though! 🥰
I would NEVER depend on a $30 Chinese pencil set for anything lightfast. if someone truly needs lightfast materials for commissions and important projects I hope they are buying a few pencils from the trusted legacy brands instead. That being said this was an interesting test. I think the pencils overall look nice and I like the orange tin. One thing I didn’t like is how some is the pencils look very similar to each other… especially since this is a 72 set.
An update on two things...
1. I forgot to show that there is a swatch card inside the cardboard packaging slipcover - Handy!
2. Woomer have also responded about my confusion with the pencil names in the Lightfast Test, this is their reply; "The reason for the discrepancy in the model number you referred to is that it was the pencil core that was sent in for testing. So the results are written with the core model number corresponding to the factory, while the number on the colored pencils corresponds to the final product that was produced."
Interesting! Need to find that lightfast Goldenrod! 😉
And finally... these pencils are not yet available on Amazon UK 😕 but Woomer have provided a 10% discount code off the pencils on Amazon US via this link:- amz.run/9Wru
Happy Colouring!
The thing that makes your reviews stand out is how much you honestly care about each medium you test and how thoroughly you test each thing to ensure that we benefit from adding these items to our art collection. 😊 And you are so involved and excited about each step that I need to see the results! It's refreshing to see someone so dedicated to their craft and tools. ❤ You make me want to create! 🥰
Aww thanks Sheri! What a lovely comment 🥰
Talk about an “in depth study” I’d be dolally by now 🤪🤯 Thank you for taking the time to do this 🤗🤗
Still in the begining of the video but ive seen nothing but good things on these pencils. Ive been excited to get them and excited to see what ur outcome is! I love that youre going so in depth with this... Awesome job!
thanks for sharing.... going down the rabbit hole and the extra mile . happy coloring and crafting xxxxx 🥰😂🤣
Phew, that was a mammoth in depth play date brought to you by Inspector Lily of the Yard 🤩
I was thinking that they'd played sneaky buggers and switched out the pencils for that other well known brand, it would be interesting (but far too much work) to see if that other brand's 72 set matched the report🤔
Anyhoo, hope you're all doing well and enjoying your well deserved rest 😘
@purplelorain6180 ...did you not see the other well known brand being sun-tested too 😉
@@ArtJourneyUK Duh me lol, I didn't click 🤣💜
@@purplelorain6180If I'm gonna do... I might as well go all in 😅
I am going to also add these remind me a lot of my Derwent Drawing Pencils- that same buttery consistency. I am going to do a page with both of them together, it's fall so they should play nice together. My only complaint about the derwent drawing pencils is I wish there were more of them, they are one of my favorite pencils.
What a brilliant video, you had me hooked start to finish xx
@janetjackson2157 Thanks Janet 🥰
I love how in-depth your reviews are❤
Gotta review them properly! There's no point otherwise! 🥰
We need heartfelt product reviews like this, it's sooooo wonderful!
@alisazou Thanks Alisa 🥰
Mmm!! if I needed lightfast not sure I'd trust these so much but that's just me, great you took the time out to do this Lily so much work and time involved thanks for doing this. 😘xx
@crossstitchbutton Thanks twinnie! Yes, it's like me saying "I was timed running a marathon.. that time was 18h". It doesn't really mean anything unless you're up there with the elite athletes! 🥰
Wow, what a wonderfully informative test and video! Thank you so much for all your hard work! The pencils that faded seem to be some of the usual culprits, but i was surprised that more of the reds and pinks didn't fade!
Thanks Christine! Yes, there wasn't too many that faded. Especially some of those rated with the 3 stars
Fantastic testing! As always, thank you for the effort and all the research. This info is very helpful.
Yes, the Woomer pencils are higher than average in price, but the fact that they are actually lightfast at all makes them worth the extra cost. I think these are a good value for the money. I can see these being used by those who like to hang up their finished works in places that are not in direct sunlight. (My finished pages don't leave the books they're in, but admittedly, I broke down bought a set of these a few days ago before I saw this review just because I was curious.)
@@back2antiochagain287 nice! They are good pencils. 😊
This is so cute, a fantastic review ☺☺
I love watching you test products! Very interesting review. Like you, lightfastness doesn’t matter to me , for the same reasons. Seems to me, that as there are so many “budget friendly artist quality” pencil sets out there, this company paid for a cheap test so they had a unique selling point. Some lovely colours though - 415 is my favourite if anyone’s interested! 🤣x
Yes, I agree! 😉
Wonderfully detailed review!! 🤗😍
Thank you 🥰
@@ArtJourneyUK You're welcome!! 🤗
I noticed some gaps in the numbering, I’m wondering if they plan on expanding the colours in the future? Still watching….regardless of the outcome, you are so dedicated to undertake this sort of test!
@spare_room_studio I wondered that too. Wonder if the set will expand to 126... 😉😅🥰
Very tempting. At my age these are probably lightfast enough. The color arrangement is a little odd.
I did try to post a reply earlier but it seems to have disappeared, if it shows up I'll delete one......
@colorcrazy2944 See I'm not sure the point of lightfast testing, apart from you can say "these have been lightfast tested". But that's like me saying "I've been timed running the marathon". That time was 18h.. but I was still recorded! It kinda means nothing if it doesn't compete with the true athletes...
@@ArtJourneyUK I agree but most of them did so well it would be interesting to see how they after a year. Not that I want anyone to do that.
Morning Huni, Hope Your Well? It Is Chucking It Down. Great Video. X
Sun is shining here Debs! 🌞
@@ArtJourneyUKI got wet through taking dogs out this morning.
Interesting video, the fugitive colour pencils definately faded in the sun.
Absolutely. Interesting that the others marked with a 3 rating did not though. 🤷🏻♀️
Well done. Very interesting ❤❤❤❤❤bravissima
Thanks 🥰
Considering how well the pencils actually did over a month, I think maybe they didn't do the blue wool test how we expect? The paperwork says Blue Wool Standard 5, and so maybe instead of 8 different strips they tested against a standard with only five? Googling around to vendors that sell blue wool standards, I do see test strips with only five. Because I really think with that many colors holding up that well over a full month, surely at least one of them would have scored a 6 or 7 at least if they were doing the test we are presuming?
Liked and subscribed, thanks for putting in the time to do this testing. I'm going to buy the set.
@wanderingbishop Could be! That would definitely make a difference to the scores and you're right some should have scored above 5. Enjoy the pencils 🥰
I think these fellows sent their pencils to the wrong person😂 Thanks for doing this for us!
@diamondslashranch Ha! I do like to be thorough! 🥰
I told myself I was not going to buy another cheap set of pencils but was curious about them, but what is one more set right? LOL. I like them a lot better than Prisma, they are definitely the softest pencil I own, softer than both Prisma and Holbein. I don't put a lot of faith in their so called lightfast testing because the names are not matching the pencil (AZ is an abbreviate for a pigment). I also wonder if the test is published in the actual Blue Wool testing or the ASTM testing libraries? Companies pay a lot of money to have them tested AND publicly published that is why Luminance and Lightfast are so respected. With that said they are fine for a easy traveling set and easy on the pocket book. The best cheap set I have to date, better than Arrtex, Brutfuner and Faber Castel Black Edition. They work well in Rita Berman's books on her slick paper. Thanks for going to all this trouble testing.
@@PursuingHeaven Glad that you are enjoying them 🥰
I've heard good things about these but I don't usually like hard pencils. Mb for detail work?
@KessaWitdaFro They're not hard hard... not as hard as Polychromos but they did seem harder than other Chinese pencils. They blended beautifully though.
@@ArtJourneyUK thanks for the reply. Would you say they're harder or softer than shpirrer farbens/cezannes?
I've never tried the Schpirerr Farben as I'm not a fan of hard pencils so have avoided purchasing them. I'll have to dig out/find my Cezannes to remind myself what they are like. Although I might have given them away (which I did with any pencils that were in the "harder than I'd like" category)
@@ArtJourneyUK Ah ok. Those are the type of hard pencils I like because they're really smooth- almost slippery! I like them better than polys 😂
I live in Phoenix Arizona and if I could afford to get those I would do the other half of the light fast testing that is done by the industry because it's done here
@@ArtandDiamondsWithEskies oh that would be cool!
I do 1 year window tests personally. Only the most fugitive colours will show a difference after only a month….
@valasafantastic1055 Sadly Woomer didn't want to wait a year for the video 😅
@@ArtJourneyUK true but they could leave them up a year and do another future update video…
@16:14: that looks proper scientific, Lily! 😜
Hahaha! Can't afford a proper lab! 😂
I just luv your reviews. Lily. Pencils. Coloring. Books. Pens. Etc. Pa. America. 🐞😀🌞🦋🌻🌷🌹❤️🌸🌺🌼🏵️💮
@cindysabin8612 Thanks Cindy! 🥰
These have been out for some time now, another youtuber got them a few months ago and reviewed them!!
That's correct, they have been out a while in the US. I'm not trying to be the first to review them 😅 Woomer contacted me and sent me the pencils to test & review in preparation of their European release. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@ArtJourneyUK what I was meaning to say is are these the same or did they change the formula to make them lightfast sorry.
These are the same, same lightfast as when reviewed by other youtuber.
Help!!!. Are we still doing this? Did the Woomer vendor realize what he was asking? We're talking about $30 pencils! $30! The pencils are great for colorist. Anyone selling art wouldn't consider using an unknown product such as this...right? Anyway, for the price, these pencils are able to hold their own against any other $30 pencil. I acknowledge only the minimal four weeks of testing took place and if they were left out longer, the test may have shown lightfastness closer to the Blue Wool Standards results. Also the pencils have obviously gone through a bit of change since testing... may be they were improved, which presents better than not being able to live up to the rating assigned. Some of the other pencils on your list should improve or lower their rating. For example Stephanie Kilgast did light fast testing for several brands of pencils, some for 2 years and some for 1 year, before presenting results. She recommends Caran d’Ache Luminance(1) and Royal Talens' Van Gogh (2) for lightfastness. Ms. Kilgast found Prismacolor's ASTM rating to be is spot on, so users can just check the pencil before using it for their purpose. However Polychromos results were "disappointing to say the least". She acknowledged Faber-Castell's test to be 20 years old, but in my opinion for the price paid in the U.S., the user shouldn't have to question the the accuracy of this product's rating. At least with Prismacolors, you know exactly what you're getting. Since even the new Polychromos pencils tested all faded, Ms. Kilgast wouldn't recommend the brand for anyone who holds lightfastness important. Google/youtube presents other testers who received similar results, which is the reason Caran d'Ache Pablo weren't recommended. Another youtuber, name I can't remember, said looking at the Pablo pigment list allows artist to easily see which colors have a chance of fading. He stated Pablo (also, Supracolor and Prismalo) ratings seem to be based on short-time artificial UV tests which don’t provide accurate results about the products lightfastness in normal household lighting. No matter the testing, colored pencil vendors/manufactures aren't forthright with ratings. This makes it difficult to assume how a pencil will perform longterm and even what information the vendor is attempting to present. For example Lisa Lachri explained Faber-Castell's Star System is based on "the Blue Wool Scale of 1-8". If that's true, why not just use the Blue Wool Scale? You mentioned the ASTM scale has 5 ratings while other artist are now saying the newer ASTM consists of 4 ratings... And maybe this is what Caran d'Ache is using???? I agree with the guy who's name I can't remember. Anyone who wants to be absolutely sure should place their swatches on a sunny window for the entire summer. That should be enough time to tell the really bad colors from useful ones. Most artist know fluorescent pigments like BV10, which makes opera rose beautiful, are fugitive and synthetic/organic pigments such as Phthalo PG7 are stable, so they could test the questionable ones. By now you should be able to tell I've watched way.... too many "lightfast" rating videos not to be getting paid for art.🤣🤣🤣 Are colorist legally able to sell artwork done using another artist's line drawing? And what about artist who conflate alcohol markers with color pencils... which negates the colored pencil's lightfastness anyway? Maybe I need more data, or less.🧐😵💫😵💫😵💫😵🥴 Anyway, much love to you for taking on this endeavor. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@beatricenowell8207 hahaha lots of info there Beatrice! 😄
@@ArtJourneyUK 🤣🤣🤣 Started as a joke, then last years memories of trying to decide Luminance or Lightfast came flooding back. Great content, Great Channel
Luminance or Lightfast...hmm.. get both! I've seen people say they work well together. 🥰
4 weeks is not enough to test lightfastnees. I was told it should take st least 3 months ofintence sun (summer months) or 6 months of non-summer months to test it
@katsmith8263 It's enough to get an idea of which colours are very fugitive. Also, the official test only rates them as 4-5 anyway (as I showed) which isn't considered lightfast to the same degree as Luminance and Derwent Lightfast pencils 🥰
Been eyeing the pencils since I watched Sugahsweets reviews on them. Unfortunately the discount code is not for international Amazon and only for US …….. costs even more if I were to buy from the US site.
@nywf1824 Yes, I did say these are not available to the UK & EU yet and the code is for Amazon US.
@@ArtJourneyUK Yes you did mention in the video. I was too excited watching your shorts hearing the word discount that i jumped straight over to your video for the code before watching the full video. I wanted to give it a try as my local amazon in asia does drop ship from the US amazon and was hoping it would work. Its on my local amazon, i wanted a discount but too bad it didn’t work. Didn’t mean to be rude if i was, sorry.
@nywf1824 When I get back from holiday, I'll ask Woomer if they can give me a Global Amazon code instead. Will let you know. No promises I'll get one though! 🥰
@@ArtJourneyUK that’s so kind of you 💕🌹 thank you
I would NEVER depend on a $30 Chinese pencil set for anything lightfast.
if someone truly needs lightfast materials for commissions and important projects I hope they are buying a few pencils from the trusted legacy brands instead. That being said this was an interesting test. I think the pencils overall look nice and I like the orange tin.
One thing I didn’t like is how some is the pencils look very similar to each other… especially since this is a 72 set.
@LeeDee5 Hopefully you watched the video through already where I talked about the different lightfast ratings... and how these compare 😉