Kuv agree tsw tau 100% ntsug koj. Kuv txwv peb yog moob xaignabouri. My maternal side is moob muas pheeb and my maternal gramma always told me and my siblings that “peb has lug tsi meej”. for the longest time, I thought she was right. However, after talking to an uncle whose like in in 90s - puab yeej ib txhwm nyob saab naj neeb thab saab xaignabouri - and listening to moob thaib speak, I realized we were just speaking differently from moob muas pheeb. Plus, I realized that the majority of the people in Thailand don’t use the “r” and rarely use the “i” as well - I understand that moob thaib is not something you covered but moob xaignbouri is technically still part of laos and puab has lug sw thooj; peb le tes peb has tas “nam thab txwv” ,“peb tsw moog ua sw” , “suav qas dlawg luas qas ntxhw” thab peb muab “miv ntxhais nkauj quas taab” hu ua “miv ntxhais nkauj qas taab.” I see and understand how it can be problematic but I’m fine with how I speak - it’s like people in the south speaking with an accent. Also, you should know that the Hmong in China have this very same problem as I have read up on this before :)
cal, cov hmoob laus nyob moospheeb (95% of them) ces yeej hais meej lawm...temsis 95% of cov hluas from moospheeb hais tsi meej li. kuv xav mas cov laus tsi qhia meej rau cov hluas xwb. sometimes ua ua ces, cov hluas tsi paub ces xij muab "ua tsaug" hloov mus rau "ua raug" lawm thiab, which has a totally different meaning. the mistake that we should not make is..."peb yeej hais li no"....which is totally an assumption due to their own misinformation.
Neej Yag this is Xeem. This issue has been with our Moob Leeg community for a long time. Some people don't know about it. Some people knew about it, but they don't make an effort to change it. I started learning Qeej, Lug Txaj, and Zaaj Tshoob when I was 16 years old. Didn't realized the pronunciation of the words you mention until I was 22 years old and after I completed Txiv Xaiv. One time after hearing me has txiv xaiv, my mom's brother Txiv Dlaab Ntsuab Cawv Thoj came and told me about the difference pronunciations and meanings. I took his advice and start listing the words on paper. I then start practicing signing cov zaaj tshoob txiv xaiv and qeej and boy, there was a big difference. Now days, only the people that realized the different can tell if other are speaking correctly or not. Sometime I mention this issue to our Moob Leeg youth, but it seem like they haven't fully understand it yet. But as for the case of cov Moob Tab Dlub and Moob Thaib, I agreed with moob naavtabdlub, so far I have not heard anyone who can pronounce the "r" sound in their daily speaking.
people have their own "beliefs"...but i do believe that cov moob naav tab dlub claim to not have the "r" only becuse they were not taught correctly. the reason why i say such a thing becuz all of us took on different paths peg xeev lug xwb. it is not possible for all of us branch off from xeev...but certain group claim that they "yeej ib txim has le hov"...this is very illogical. what they meant to say was "yes, thaus u peb has li hov, but now, peb has le nuav lawm"...
qhov koj hais ko nws tsi thwj toob lawm. vim moob leeg hab moob dawb tsi yog dialect. moob leeg refers to chaw nyob xwb. and moob dawb refers to clothing.
Tus phooj ywg koj has yog kawg lawm tab sis koj tug kheej kag los Koj twb has yaum kev lawm hab ne.Koj sim noog zoo zoo mas the tsis yog lawm hab os kwv tij.
Lu has tas PHIV. Ib tsis yog lug Hmoob. Ob has tau tsis meej. Muaj tseeb, naj nub nwg nuav Hmoob tsis khaws Hmoob tej lug zoo le lawm has ua dlog ua dlig. Hmoob tua Hmoob tug NtsujPlig Lug yaam Hmoob raag tsis txug Hmoob txhaj has lug tsis muaj hwjchim. Tim Meskas Hmoob txheej nuav has lug hais zoj hais zaag le meskas. naj nub nwg nuav Hmoob tej neeg txawj ntse, has lug Nplog, lug Meskas txuam lug Hmoob. Txaus tu sab heev.
txiv ntxawm neej, qhov kuv yuav nug koj nuav... koj puas qha tau los yog puas paub txug yog vim le caag peb haiv hmoob nua txha le muaj has lug hmoob dlawb hab hmoob leeg? kuv xaav paub vim tas kuv tseeg tau koj yog ib tug person ua muaj alot of knowledge hab experience txug keeb kwm hmoob... kuv xaav kuam koj explainob qhov difference nuav. nyob le lwm yaam moob ua dlub, txaij, dlaaj, lab tej ntawd mas tsi explain lo tau vim tas cov ntawd nwg yog mix lug ntawm cov hmoob dlawb hab hmoob leeg lug xwb.... hab tsi taag le ntawd lo cov hov nwg tsi exist nwgqhov language nrug peb hmoob america naj nub nua. thank you os
I'm glad you brought this to everyone's attention as I'm struggling to write the words you mentioned like roob/tsoob, rag/tsag, rhu/tshu, etc. But nearly every Mong Leng I spoke to speak in the way you said it's inaccurate. How do we do if they are right or you are? In my opinion when it comes to writing, it's a matter of preference whether to use roob or tsoob, rag or tsag, rhu or tshu, etc. For White Hmong though, only roob, riam, or rho are right based on how they pronounce these words. Are you saying we should pronounce these words and write the same way as White Hmong? I think the only Mong Leng group that speak a little different are those who came from Xayabury, Laos. For example, "money" they call it "nyiaj" instead of "nyaj." Hey, I also heard you say "ib txhiab cuaj pua" instead of "ib txhab cuaj pua." Are you more right in this instance? I'm just curious as I wanted to learn more. Thanks for sharing!
i'm talking about cov tsiaj ntawv "r, ts, rh, tsh, nrh, tsh...etc"...i'm not referring to the different "various" acccent of certain words...yes, some call it kuv txiv, some call it kuv txwv, ua si, ua sw..kev kiv..etc...but this is not what im referring to. let me ask you this..koj hu "knife" le caag? tsag or rag?
seb mej mej hu ua tsag los rag ma??? i'm refering to the knife.... i'm not talking about "kev"..or "kiv"...ua si..or ua sw...etc...i'm talking about the cov niam tsiaj ntawv "r, ts, rhu, tsh, rh, etc" xwb.
Well, as I had previously said, we don't use the "R" at all in our speech and we rarely use the "I". So yes, "roob" tes yog "tsoob", "rag" tes yog "tsag". Tsw yog has tas ob peb paab moob es txhas has le xwb na, taag ntsho ib sab nam teb chaws thaib has lug le hos and you're going to say that's wrong? Now if you said that the moob nplog and moob thaib spoke differently then I could agree. But you saying that Moob Muas Pheeb hab Moob Xeev txhas le has lug moob meej - that, sir, is not something I can agree with.
could it be that it is exactly like i said? some people are taught wrong..and over a few generations or so...the kids say "peb yeej has li hov"... it is just not logical to to have mountain as tsoob....and personally i do not buy the idea that some people do not have the "r" sound, espcially if all the words with ts, ntsh, nts, etc have TWO MEANINGS for each word...it just doesn't fall into ordinary languages. the only conclusion is...the kids are taught wrong and not realizing it. similar to english words such as "knife"...in the olden days it is pronounced as "k'nife" with a "k" at the beginning..but now, it is pronounced as "nife"...this doesn't mean that we had always pronouce it as "nife"...its just means that we changed it from "k'nife" to "nife". but if we are not taught of the changes, then we woudl have never known that it used to be "k'nife". if we are not taught correctly (regardless of how we pronouce now), then our kids would say "peb yeej ib txim has le hov laiv"...in your case, sub nim tsi yog le kuv has nuav os? it goes back to the fact that it doesn't make sense for all the mong words that begins with "ts, nts, ntsh, etc..." to have to meanings for each words. there had to be distintive pronunciatioin...temsis cov kids tsi paub meej..and over the years, they "accepted" that there was not orginal pronuncciation xwb. thanks.
Ya Her koj puas tau nov cov moob leeg es has tas "txaab txag" nua mas? peb cov moob has lug tsw sib thooj nua tes nwg yeej muaj nwg ib co nyob ntsaag suav lug lawm - tsw yog hab tas lug txug nplog maam hloov cov lug. kuv tug uncle es muaj 90 xyoo nua, kuv yeej ntsug nwg thaam kag thab noog nwg zoo zoo lawm. nwg yeej has tas peb tej puj yawm tawm ntsaag suav lug tes yeej tsw dlhau plawg lug tsua saab thaib. hab kuv noog has tas moob xaingabouri nua puas has tas "hluas nkauj hluas nraug", nwg teb tas puab yeej tsw has le, yeej tsuas yog has hluas nkauj, hluas ntsaug. puab yeej has puab nam puab txwv tej lug xwb. however, if you don't believe that there are hmong people out there who don't use the "r" then koj nov moov has lug tsw txhwj tsw txhua, vim has tas peb cov moob xaingabouri nua yeej tsw swv tug "r" hlo le - yog has tas has lug moob dlawb hab has lug le kws moob puas pheeb has nua tas txhas muaj xwb. taag ntsho kuv cuab kwv tij, cov puj yawm, puab yeej tsw has tug "r" le. kuv yeej noog qas ntsoov puas has lug le. koj moog noog zoo zoo moob has lug txaj moob thaib thab cov qas laug kws nyob tsua saab naj neeb has lug meb, koj yeej tsw nov tug "r" - muaj los, yeej muaj tsawg tsawg. kuv yeej tsw yog has dlaag, peb yeej tsw has tug "r" tag tag le. koj yuav has peb cov lug nua, koj txawj has thab os... but thats just my two cents :)
moob naavtabdlub nov mas...cov has le ko yog moob thaib xwb...temsis qhov tseeb kuv nov xwb, tsi tau tham with them so kuv tsi paub meej. temsis keep in mind, kuv has to the words that begins with "r/ts, nrh/ntsho, etc" xwb... kuv muaj ib tug yawm lug saab naaj neeb lug..nws yeej has meej meej laiv...nws has "roob" laiv..he just passed away 10 years ago...he probably came to moospheeb in 1940...i'm sure you know who he is...nyajlwm hawj in sacramento..and i think he is more related to u than you think. tej nuav los kuv tub thaam rua nws lawm hab..nws yeej has le kuv has laiv...the only difference is..nws muab "kev" hu ua "kiv" nua xwb. temsis he distinctively pronounce "ts/r" along with teh other tsaj ntawv. this is why i believe you must have been taught wrong.
but i do see that you used "ntsug"...overtime, a person will accept a certain mistake as truth....and it falls to exactly as i said. but surely...i do not believe that yhou call mountain "tsoob"....
peb yog cov has tsi meej lawm uatsaug nawb
zoo kawg nkaus kws koj muab peb cov Moob Leeg cov lug kws pheej has tsis meej cog lug moog thaam qhas rua txhua tug tau paub, vim muaj coob leej kws has tsis meej los yog has tau lus lug twg twg tsis zoo noog xws roj hab tsoj, vaam tas txhua tug nyag yuav moog xyum nyag kom has lug meej ua tsaug ntau rua koj nawb tij laug nawb.
Thank you Mr. Ya her for your lesson. I am Hmoob dawb.
Kuv agree tsw tau 100% ntsug koj. Kuv txwv peb yog moob xaignabouri. My maternal side is moob muas pheeb and my maternal gramma always told me and my siblings that “peb has lug tsi meej”. for the longest time, I thought she was right. However, after talking to an uncle whose like in in 90s - puab yeej ib txhwm nyob saab naj neeb thab saab xaignabouri - and listening to moob thaib speak, I realized we were just speaking differently from moob muas pheeb. Plus, I realized that the majority of the people in Thailand don’t use the “r” and rarely use the “i” as well - I understand that moob thaib is not something you covered but moob xaignbouri is technically still part of laos and puab has lug sw thooj; peb le tes peb has tas “nam thab txwv” ,“peb tsw moog ua sw” , “suav qas dlawg luas qas ntxhw” thab peb muab “miv ntxhais nkauj quas taab” hu ua “miv ntxhais nkauj qas taab.” I see and understand how it can be problematic but I’m fine with how I speak - it’s like people in the south speaking with an accent. Also, you should know that the Hmong in China have this very same problem as I have read up on this before :)
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Warrior....yeej yog le koj has. Sov yog le caag peb feem coob sis ncaim peg noom hej txij le 1850-1950 xwb...tau 2 tam xwb j, ib leeg moog ib qho lawm....ua caag ib leeg has txawv ib qho lawm hab. Yog tsi qha tag tes cov hluas yuav tas "peb yeej ib txxim has le hov" nua hab. Kuv ntseeg tas cov kwvtij naav tab dlub los teebmeem tshwm lug ntawm cov laug tsi qha meej xwb.
Kuv muaj ib tug yawm suab moog rua saab sayabori xyoo 1850....huas kuv ceg tes lug rua moospheeb lawm. Xyoo 1950 kuv tug yawm hov maam le lug rua moospheeb lug nrhav peb. Thaum lug txug puab yeej has meej le qub. Temsis ua caag taamsim nuav cov neejtsaa kws puab lawv moog rua sayabori hov ho has txawv lawm. Ua caag tuaj txug meskas teb nas puab ho has tas puab yeej ib txim has le hov. Qhov nuav yog poob rua qhov kws puab cov llaug tsi qha puab meej xwb. Vim dlha ib tam xwb cov hluas tsi paub qhov tsseeb tes puab laam tas puab yeej ibtxim has le hov xwb.
oh....tij laus... puas yog maj txhai tau ha ta kuv ha phiv ib txwm lus les lauj
Uncle.... kuv nug coob tus cov hmoob lees laus los lawv pheej hais tsis meej li. Zoo li nej cov hmoob lees ces koj ib leeg thiaj pom txog qhov yuav kev no xwb.... kuv xav kom suav daws yuav tau hais li koj hais mas thiaj meej. Vim ob kwv tij xwb tabsis nyias hais nyias li. Koj hais yog lawm. Ib txhia mas pheej sau ntawv hais tias "ua raug" Thank you... yuav kev loj dhau lawm....
cal,
cov hmoob laus nyob moospheeb (95% of them) ces yeej hais meej lawm...temsis 95% of cov hluas from moospheeb hais tsi meej li. kuv xav mas cov laus tsi qhia meej rau cov hluas xwb.
sometimes ua ua ces, cov hluas tsi paub ces xij muab "ua tsaug" hloov mus rau "ua raug" lawm thiab, which has a totally different meaning.
the mistake that we should not make is..."peb yeej hais li no"....which is totally an assumption due to their own misinformation.
ua koj tsaug tus kwvtij hmoob leeg. kuv txhawb nqa koj cov lub qhia txog me hmoob leeg cov lus tsis meej. kuv nkag siab qhov tseeb lawm. Yog li ntawm hmoob leeg pheej hais tias: Ib, ob, peb, plaub, tsib, TSAU ne? lawv puas hais yog thiab. kuv hnov ntau tus hais mas kuv yeej confuse heev. ua tsaug
lawd hais tsi yog lawm...tsi yog tsau..yog rau...cov lus no yog cov kuv hais tias muaj qeej leej hais tsi yog lawm.
Neej Yag this is Xeem. This issue has been with our Moob Leeg community for a long time. Some people don't know about it. Some people knew about it, but they don't make an effort to change it. I started learning Qeej, Lug Txaj, and Zaaj Tshoob when I was 16 years old. Didn't realized the pronunciation of the words you mention until I was 22 years old and after I completed Txiv Xaiv. One time after hearing me has txiv xaiv, my mom's brother Txiv Dlaab Ntsuab Cawv Thoj came and told me about the difference pronunciations and meanings. I took his advice and start listing the words on paper. I then start practicing signing cov zaaj tshoob txiv xaiv and qeej and boy, there was a big difference. Now days, only the people that realized the different can tell if other are speaking correctly or not. Sometime I mention this issue to our Moob Leeg youth, but it seem like they haven't fully understand it yet.
But as for the case of cov Moob Tab Dlub and Moob Thaib, I agreed with moob naavtabdlub, so far I have not heard anyone who can pronounce the "r" sound in their daily speaking.
people have their own "beliefs"...but i do believe that cov moob naav tab dlub claim to not have the "r" only becuse they were not taught correctly. the reason why i say such a thing becuz all of us took on different paths peg xeev lug xwb. it is not possible for all of us branch off from xeev...but certain group claim that they "yeej ib txim has le hov"...this is very illogical. what they meant to say was "yes, thaus u peb has li hov, but now, peb has le nuav lawm"...
kOJ TWB HAS LUG HMOOB PHIV LAWM HAB NE!HAHAHA.
seb has tsi thwj lu twg? temsis ncu ntsoov kuv has txug "meej" xwb..
Koj hais yog kawg nawb
Tab sis koj yuav tau hais cov hmoob Suav thiab nawb
Vim lawv hais ib kuag lus hmoob dawb ib kuag lus hmoob lees
Tab sis lawv tseem tias lawv thiaj yog cov hais meej no laiv hahaha
qhov koj hais ko nws tsi thwj toob lawm. vim moob leeg hab moob dawb tsi yog dialect. moob leeg refers to chaw nyob xwb. and moob dawb refers to clothing.
Oh... nyob zoo Uncle, nuav yog tub Zaam nyob peg Madison, WI na. Zoo kawg kws ntsib koj huv nuav hab, qhov koj has tes yeej muaj mas, tej txha kwvtij naaj nub nua nrug yug sib thaam tes yeej has tsis tshuam meej le koj ha kov tag. 4 xyoos dlhau moog lawd... txiv ZaamXeem twb hu peb 2-3 tug (include yawm TsujHuas, TxijZaaj) hab cuav hluas tuaj moog sib thaam txug qhov ko... yawd twb sau tau ib dlaim list txug cov lug peb has yuav kev kod hab..
Tus phooj ywg koj has yog kawg lawm tab sis koj tug kheej kag los Koj twb has yaum kev lawm hab ne.Koj sim noog zoo zoo mas the tsis yog lawm hab os kwv tij.
qhia ma
Tsaa hawj...yog li koj has. Phiv tsi yog lug moob...temsis kuv tub tas kuv has txug cov lug kwv pib tug tsaj ntawv r ts nts nr ntsh nrh xwb nuav ne. Tsi taag le...has txug qev lug coj lug siv ntawm lwm haiv neeg...tsi yog moob xwb....txhua haiv yeej ua taagnrho hab. Feemcoob moob meskas tes yeej has lug moob txuam aaskiv...tsi yog txuam lug meskas. Es koj nyob twg tuaj tug kwv.
Uncle, if you have time, please do more word correction. I like to learn the correct words and the different meaning of those words.
Lu has tas PHIV. Ib tsis yog lug Hmoob. Ob has tau tsis meej. Muaj tseeb, naj nub nwg nuav Hmoob tsis khaws Hmoob tej lug zoo le lawm has ua dlog ua dlig. Hmoob tua Hmoob tug NtsujPlig Lug yaam Hmoob raag tsis txug Hmoob txhaj has lug tsis muaj hwjchim. Tim Meskas Hmoob txheej nuav has lug hais zoj hais zaag le meskas. naj nub nwg nuav Hmoob tej neeg txawj ntse, has lug Nplog, lug Meskas txuam lug Hmoob. Txaus tu sab heev.
txiv ntxawm neej,
qhov kuv yuav nug koj nuav... koj puas qha tau los yog puas paub txug yog vim le caag peb haiv hmoob nua txha le muaj has lug hmoob dlawb hab hmoob leeg? kuv xaav paub vim tas kuv tseeg tau koj yog ib tug person ua muaj alot of knowledge hab experience txug keeb kwm hmoob... kuv xaav kuam koj explainob qhov difference nuav. nyob le lwm yaam moob ua dlub, txaij, dlaaj, lab tej ntawd mas tsi explain lo tau vim tas cov ntawd nwg yog mix lug ntawm cov hmoob dlawb hab hmoob leeg lug xwb.... hab tsi taag le ntawd lo cov hov nwg tsi exist nwgqhov language nrug peb hmoob america naj nub nua.
thank you os
I'm glad you brought this to everyone's attention as I'm struggling to write the words you mentioned like roob/tsoob, rag/tsag, rhu/tshu, etc. But nearly every Mong Leng I spoke to speak in the way you said it's inaccurate. How do we do if they are right or you are?
In my opinion when it comes to writing, it's a matter of preference whether to use roob or tsoob, rag or tsag, rhu or tshu, etc. For White Hmong though, only roob, riam, or rho are right based on how they pronounce these words. Are you saying we should pronounce these words and write the same way as White Hmong?
I think the only Mong Leng group that speak a little different are those who came from Xayabury, Laos. For example, "money" they call it "nyiaj" instead of "nyaj." Hey, I also heard you say "ib txhiab cuaj pua" instead of "ib txhab cuaj pua." Are you more right in this instance? I'm just curious as I wanted to learn more. Thanks for sharing!
i'm talking about cov tsiaj ntawv "r, ts, rh, tsh, nrh, tsh...etc"...i'm not referring to the different "various" acccent of certain words...yes, some call it kuv txiv, some call it kuv txwv, ua si, ua sw..kev kiv..etc...but this is not what im referring to.
let me ask you this..koj hu "knife" le caag? tsag or rag?
seb mej mej hu ua tsag los rag ma??? i'm refering to the knife....
i'm not talking about "kev"..or "kiv"...ua si..or ua sw...etc...i'm talking about the cov niam tsiaj ntawv "r, ts, rhu, tsh, rh, etc" xwb.
Well, as I had previously said, we don't use the "R" at all in our speech and we rarely use the "I". So yes, "roob" tes yog "tsoob", "rag" tes yog "tsag". Tsw yog has tas ob peb paab moob es txhas has le xwb na, taag ntsho ib sab nam teb chaws thaib has lug le hos and you're going to say that's wrong? Now if you said that the moob nplog and moob thaib spoke differently then I could agree. But you saying that Moob Muas Pheeb hab Moob Xeev txhas le has lug moob meej - that, sir, is not something I can agree with.
could it be that it is exactly like i said? some people are taught wrong..and over a few generations or so...the kids say "peb yeej has li hov"...
it is just not logical to to have mountain as tsoob....and personally i do not buy the idea that some people do not have the "r" sound, espcially if all the words with ts, ntsh, nts, etc have TWO MEANINGS for each word...it just doesn't fall into ordinary languages. the only conclusion is...the kids are taught wrong and not realizing it.
similar to english words such as "knife"...in the olden days it is pronounced as "k'nife" with a "k" at the beginning..but now, it is pronounced as "nife"...this doesn't mean that we had always pronouce it as "nife"...its just means that we changed it from "k'nife" to "nife". but if we are not taught of the changes, then we woudl have never known that it used to be "k'nife". if we are not taught correctly (regardless of how we pronouce now), then our kids would say "peb yeej ib txim has le hov laiv"...in your case, sub nim tsi yog le kuv has nuav os?
it goes back to the fact that it doesn't make sense for all the mong words that begins with "ts, nts, ntsh, etc..." to have to meanings for each words. there had to be distintive pronunciatioin...temsis cov kids tsi paub meej..and over the years, they "accepted" that there was not orginal pronuncciation xwb.
thanks.
Ya Her
koj puas tau nov cov moob leeg es has tas "txaab txag" nua mas? peb cov moob has lug tsw sib thooj nua tes nwg yeej muaj nwg ib co nyob ntsaag suav lug lawm - tsw yog hab tas lug txug nplog maam hloov cov lug. kuv tug uncle es muaj 90 xyoo nua, kuv yeej ntsug nwg thaam kag thab noog nwg zoo zoo lawm. nwg yeej has tas peb tej puj yawm tawm ntsaag suav lug tes yeej tsw dlhau plawg lug tsua saab thaib. hab kuv noog has tas moob xaingabouri nua puas has tas "hluas nkauj hluas nraug", nwg teb tas puab yeej tsw has le, yeej tsuas yog has hluas nkauj, hluas ntsaug. puab yeej has puab nam puab txwv tej lug xwb.
however, if you don't believe that there are hmong people out there who don't use the "r" then koj nov moov has lug tsw txhwj tsw txhua, vim has tas peb cov moob xaingabouri nua yeej tsw swv tug "r" hlo le - yog has tas has lug moob dlawb hab has lug le kws moob puas pheeb has nua tas txhas muaj xwb. taag ntsho kuv cuab kwv tij, cov puj yawm, puab yeej tsw has tug "r" le. kuv yeej noog qas ntsoov puas has lug le. koj moog noog zoo zoo moob has lug txaj moob thaib thab cov qas laug kws nyob tsua saab naj neeb has lug meb, koj yeej tsw nov tug "r" - muaj los, yeej muaj tsawg tsawg. kuv yeej tsw yog has dlaag, peb yeej tsw has tug "r" tag tag le. koj yuav has peb cov lug nua, koj txawj has thab os...
but thats just my two cents :)
Ya Her
kuv xaav has tas tej zag koj thab kuv wb nua tes nyam noog toob faab ib yaam :) koj ko puas yog moob hawj phuaj ees?
moob naavtabdlub
nov mas...cov has le ko yog moob thaib xwb...temsis qhov tseeb kuv nov xwb, tsi tau tham with them so kuv tsi paub meej. temsis keep in mind, kuv has to the words that begins with "r/ts, nrh/ntsho, etc" xwb...
kuv muaj ib tug yawm lug saab naaj neeb lug..nws yeej has meej meej laiv...nws has "roob" laiv..he just passed away 10 years ago...he probably came to moospheeb in 1940...i'm sure you know who he is...nyajlwm hawj in sacramento..and i think he is more related to u than you think. tej nuav los kuv tub thaam rua nws lawm hab..nws yeej has le kuv has laiv...the only difference is..nws muab "kev" hu ua "kiv" nua xwb. temsis he distinctively pronounce "ts/r" along with teh other tsaj ntawv. this is why i believe you must have been taught wrong.
moob naavtabdlub
tsi yog...kuv yog moob roob xyoob...temsis ku vpaub cov phuab eess zoo mas...hab tejzag kuv tseem paub koj hab pob...
but i do see that you used "ntsug"...overtime, a person will accept a certain mistake as truth....and it falls to exactly as i said.
but surely...i do not believe that yhou call mountain "tsoob"....