As a small business owner charging 20% tax on top of my price to customers that are already struggling is a joke. And to then have to hand it over every quarter minus the pittance we claim back to a government that throws it at illegal immigrants is sickening
Same here simon, have written several letters to my MP on this and other matters pertaining to the Labour govt policies (he’s labour too) and receive off hand vanilla replies. Bloody infuriating 😤
Way to conflate entirely different issues! But good on you for pointing out that you can claim back the VAT you are charged by suppliers. Thus, the 20% you charge your customers is only on the component of the price that you have added yourself (and it therefore isn't a compounding tax). If you regard your inputs as a pittance whilst the 20% you charge isn't, you must be adding _a lot_ of value by what you do. Good on you for that.
Value Added Tax used to be a tax for better value. If we buy food at Greggs to eat in, we pay VAT, if we take it out, VAT isn't charged. When I had my printing business, VAT was charged on different products at different rates. If I printed invoices for customers with any numbers on, they were a different rate to those without numbers. My rates of VAT were zero, 12%, 15%, and 20%. I used to aim for either exempt or full amount, 20%, the others could be complicated and debatable. My customers paperwork couldn't always cope with 12% or 15%. Zero rated wasn't exempt, they hadn't begun charging the lower rate. I used to encourage customers to have VAT exempt or top rate 20%. I could never understand why what I printed added various rates of increased value?
@@rogerbroadbelt3424 Firstly, that sounds highly illegal! There's really only two rates of VAT you're allowed to charge: 20% and 0%. You can't just start inventing your own VAT rates! But secondly, your Greggs example is interesting. When Australia adopted its Goods and Services Tax in 2000 (GST, which is equivalent to VAT), the government really wanted a 10% tax on everything, no exceptions -but to get it through their upper house, they had to agree to exempting basic food (bread, milk and such like). The 'everything at 10%' is a highly efficient model, of course. Making exemptions left, right and centre merely invites discussions as to whether Jaffa Cakes are biscuits (exempt) or cakes (not exempt), or whether tampons should be exempt when condoms are. Anyway, my point is that there are lots of ways to implement VAT. I would personally prefer a much lower rate (say 10%) charged on absolutely everything, with huge social provision made for those for whom an extra 10% on their food bill would be excessive, for example. That would, at a stroke, dispense with Daniel's rather ridiculous argument that criminal law is an essential, so the government provides legal aid (which you might not qualify for), where civil law isn't! All legal services should charge VAT and if you qualifty for legal aid, that should cover the VAT element too. On the matter of education, however: there is ample _public_ provision made for it. The State regards it as an essential and thus provides it as an entirely free service. Just as it does for hip replacements on the NHS. And if it happens that you, personally, don't want to wait 2 years for a free hip replacement, you're entirely allowed to pay huge private fees to obtain one more quickly. Similarly, if you think your local comprehensive is a bit dodgy and full of people you wouldn't want your children mixing with, that's entirely understandable and you're absolutely allowed to pay private fees to opt out of the state provision. In the case of elective and cosmetic health care, you pay VAT. In the case of essential hip replacements, there'd be no VAT, but the private surgeon's fees are going to be such that you won't care about VAT one way or another! Likewise, if you choose to buy your kid a better education than the state can provide, it's entirely logical that you should pay VAT on the transaction. If you didn't think you were buying a better value-add product, you wouldn't be buying it in the first place, would you? And if there's value add, there ought to be VAT.
yes ! 90 years ago we hardly had any tax in the UK , only after ww2 were we taxed and it's grown since then . i don't think inheritance / de**th tax should even exist 😟😟😟 greedy .
@@nonoyorbusness True when even Agela Rayner pegnant at 15yrs was kicked out by her father and was guiven housing and got a job as a cleaner in a care home but fair play she did take an nvq and managed to be a care worker so she made her way up by being a union rep. The thing is of they get rid of Starmer we could see Angela Raynor as PM THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING :).
Once upon a time any one of these scandals would have been enough to bring down a Government let alone a politician but now it's just Standard Operating Procedure. We get the government we deserve for tolerating such low standards at all levels from local councils to Westminster.
I see they are still planning for the future. This was also the process used in South Africa, including the treatment of Nelson Mandela, who was not at Robbin Island smashing rocks but living in the warden's house and being visited by the likes of Joe Biden; they released a statement claiming that Mandell had been killed Stateside; just to gage the reaction but there was none. Mandella then returned the favour with a visit to the States. The exploitation of critical race theory, the removal of statues, the use of equity and inclusion, and the removal of people more than qualified to carry positions of responsibility with folk least able, which in time led to the liberation of South African wealth by, guess who? The next quote to become infamous from the ER Labour Party and applauded by the conservatives will not be that there is no money left but no country.
Not. The leaders simply seized that power. We do not 'tolerate' the corrupt mess that we have here. We just do not have a say and the English do not like the unknown and rarely do the research for good MP's through laziness. But we are now in a position that a parliament populated by independents and no main parties would force fierce debate and maybe even find a route to agree to. Otherwise it is now simply dictatorship whatever party you vote for. Independents are now our only chance to thrash out a real consensus well and truly argued in the open and even take money out of politics. Illustrating power corrupts in spades. The only worthy MP's left were the stalwart honest people that questioned the jab. Baptism by fire
"No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems - of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind." Thomas Sowell
School is a subset of Training. Training is exempt from VAT. However, training for a job adds value to the employee. An educated child is more valuable to a company than a less, or uneducated child. The thinking is all muddled. This Labour Policy is simply an ideological cash grab to punish private schools with no economic rationale, nor taxation rationale. Labour are idiots.
They should know where the money goes! Didn't Rachel Reeves say She has to account for every penny ?!! Haha I want to know where EVERY penny has gone - public money the public should have a right to know.
@@DavidBrown-sr8di one should be able , as a human being to opt out of being governed! As an honest human being I don't need to be governed, I know the difference between right and wrong and I don't want or need , the fraudulent system , that is the global econom, which is nothing more than a giant ponzy scheme!
Where is the son of a toolmakers child going to study next year? He struggled to study for his GCSE last year so that the son of a toolmakers child needed a friend to offer accommodation to help him study. Animal farm in action?🤮
And he still failed his 'O' levels - an absolute tool just like his father. But no matter, his father's 'contacts' will still ensure he has an easy path through life.
What Starmer has done to the kids who now can’t find a local school - it’s just disgusting. The cabinet is under qualified and the people are just not good at their job. This is all ideological not financial.
Hang on.. Betting is exempt from VAT ? What the bloody hell. The government could make billions of revenue from putting Vat on bookmakers. Who's ever seen a hard up bookmaker. Especially the large ones that always advertise on social media. Tax them now and not tax the schools.
The large betting organisations and /or their owners are large political donors. You don't bite the hand that is handing you millions in "donations" (bribes).
They still get taxed on their profits like any business. There used to be a betting tax which was charged on the stake money but this was abolished by Gordon Brown in 2001.
They have no idea what they are doing because nobody on the front bench is qualified to do the job allocated. Shame on the whole government for targeting children.
And you also pay for education in your rates. So could those parents ask for a refund as they are not using the state schools my guess is a big fat NO!!!
If the rich didn't "take" everything, we'd all be rich. apparently. Even the welfare scroungers, and indeed the country. Mind you, the elites do in fact steal everything, but they are the ones pointing at the "rich", in this case middle class or upper middle class people who aren't multinationals. So the successful, or the lucky, or even the hard workers. Shared misery is equality!
Under a Socialist State the rulers rule, they are not "equal", everybody else is. Thus people who say they are socialists really mean they want everybody else forced to live under socialism while they have the best for themselves. We have seen several very obvious examples of this from spivs and grifters quite high up. How anybody defends such deceit is beyond every reasonable person. John Lennon wrote "Imagine no possession, I wonder if you can" in his Surrey mansion with a Rolls-Royce in the drive. A true socialist.
@@brmh1667 We will end up with "Stakeholder capitalism" that is socialism for us, but not for the elites. It's basically already happening, but think of the elites jetting around the planet to talk about stopping the poors from taking an annual holiday as an example. or EV vehicles being imposed without market success so basically the principle of a planned economy. Because the elites really control the dialogue, you have people thinking the farmers are "rich", whilst actually billionaires plot to buy up their land, they have no power to stop that. The "rich" will be the first to go, as the elites steal everything, much like the robber barons of the past. They are already coming for our meagre savings now. What is it, 3000 now before a 20% tax? That corrected for inflation is more like 500 compared to the past. AS you say, we are ruled, and democracy is becoming a farce, or a theatre.
@@brmh1667I think the socialists are either evil or stupid. The socialist theory doesn't make sense, the goal is a classless society which power positions being transitory. No socialist state has managed to reach this classless end goal, because it can't work, it literally makes no sense. So they are either stupid for not seeing this, or evil because they do and go for it anyway.
That's because it never was that. Purchase Tax was introduced in 1940. It was though renamed VAT (and simplified) when the UK joined the Common Market (the forerunner of the EU) - and I think that is where the Brexiteer sophistry on VAT being an EU tax comes from.
If they recruit anywhere near 6,500 teachers they'll have spent the money 5x over so it doesn't matter if it's ringfenced or not. Seems like a strange thing to get your knickers in a twist about
@@vetinaris1297 You don't want to make the cost of private education expensive. you want to very very strongly incentive people making quality education for a low price. Public sector schooling is a bottomless pit that leads to poor results and by definition makes no attempt to save money. Let people spend the money on the things they want instead of shuttling it to the public coffers constantly.
They will probably have to send their own mutts to private ( WEF approved) schools in mainland Europe so the kids can study in peace.... you know, like ...
I am of an age when we had purchase tax, VAT started in the early 70’s when we joined the EEC. Which seemed a good idea at the time. When I was working in a bank we had a zero rated and a separate exempt rated account. I know the difference now. Horses for courses. This is ideologically driven and could cost more to the economy plus the disruption to children is unforgivable.
Like you I can remember the Purchase Tax days. I seem to recall that when the VAT came in it was at a rate of 8%. Its interesting how the rates have risen with the rising expectations of what the state should provide.
@@linmal2242 20% (yes, really! UK folk just accept whatever is thrown at them by Government and Local Authorities!). Electricity and Gas 5%. Petrol etc is taxed and VAT taken on the tax!!! Current apology for Goverment (Labour) is putting VAT on education (school fees) at 20% wef -1 January 2025. You couldn't make it up!
Wants to keep the masses dumbed down so that there is an adequate supply of factory workers, who are just smart enough to do the job but not smart enough to challenge the status quo. Us and them, in a nutshell !
If they can add VAT to education they can add it to anything. Incidentally, the large supermarkets said they would donate the money they made on charging for plastic bags (when that charge came in) to local charities. Asked my local supermarket about it. They had no idea what i was talking about. I think its worth an investigation.
@@Birdseyeview10 they all fly jets everywhere too, and khan even has the cheek to impliment a “ulez” or “zero emissions zone” charge and gets drove about in a decked out 5 litre Range Rover that some how is exempt from ulez charges, plus whoever else is in convoy. Do they really care about the environment? I don’t think they do 🤷♂️
@@Birdseyeview10 And now plastic bags are made more cheaply they are rarely reusable. We used to get a free plastic bag that could be reused for the shopping for months and then when the handles started to fail you use it for garden waste or bin waste. The free ones compost on the journey home and the ones you buy do not last as long as the free ones they used to give out. A huge fail.
I was state school educated, the biggest problem in state schools is large classrooms. Pushing kids out of private into state is only gonna make that issue worse. The government is damaging both private & state education with this spiteful tax!
Another is the state schools are teaching subjects that are NOT useful in the child's lifetime. I don't want my grandchildren to learn about transgender, blm, diversity as they can learn about things that matter
Yes, children in the State system will suffer. I think it’ll be particularly obvious in September 25 particularly in the entry years of primary and secondary schools, as well as FE colleges all of which will be having to take in far more children applying than in previous years. Children who would previously have got into the school of their choice in the state system might struggle to get a place anywhere. If a couple of private schools close in an area it’ll cause utter chaos with the state system not being able to accommodate the influx but will be legally required to do so. 🤯
I would suggest the main problem in state schools is almost total lack of discipline. Just 3 kids can ruin the education of the rest, but often you have ten in a class now.
One question that must be asked, does this government or any of its ministers even know what they're doing, or what the long term consequences of their policies will mean in the broader scheme of things. Somehow I don't think so.
no they don't have a clue. everything they want to change is a bigger disaster than the titanic. surely someone in government can do basic maths 🤔. so not only will labour end up with less vat than they thought they would have, labour will also have to pay unemployment to all the teachers that will lose their jobs. see this policy adding the mysterious £22 billion deficit. there are far better ways of raising funds for this mysterious £22 billion. stop all MPs pay raises and cut the amount for expenses. if MPs want a second house then that is paid for by the MP not the public or are we entitled to live in their 2nd homes funded by our taxes.
Or do they even care beyond the point of having more money come under their direct control knowing, or believing, that they can use what comes in however they want at the time.
They know exactly what they are doing,their aim is to destroy the country. They aren't worried about the next general election because they know there won't be one.
Even if they tracked it, they will employ the same stupid loophole used everywhere else. - We got 5,000,000 from private school VAT. - We now reduce the budget for state schools by 5,000,000; and then add back what we got from VAT. - We now have 5,000,000 we can use for whatever we please (which coincidentally means lining our/our buddies' pockets) Ta-da! See, we put this money towards state schools.
VAT on private schools is a nasty ill-thought-out tax which ironically disadvantages poorer parents but benefits the better off parents who can afford the increase in fees, thus creating a better education for the wealthy. Labour didn't have the gumption to work this out.
They have gone through every part of tax received to see where they can get more tax from. None of this is planned because they haven’t got a clue what there doing.Labour will never get into power again, not sure if they’ll manage a year, where heading for a recession.🤯🤡
You have said in the past that if a private schooling child can't get a place in a state school, the state may land up having to send them back to a private school, if that happens does the state have to then pay the fees, and if it does i take it they will also land up paying the VAT.
Yes. I read a case last year where a SEN pupil had to leave their indie school due to extra cost, LEA couldn’t provide a place but are legally obliged to so agreed to pay the fees at the indie school. Madness- but a win for the parents!
They need the money for the hotel bills, The pensions (health heating allowance) isn’t enough to pay for it on it own neither is the farmers bank accounts!
I agree that Labour always likes to tax and spend, so why anyone is surprised at that, I have no idea. The fact you (and I) don't like _how_ they choose to spend, however, shouldn't blind you to the logic behind taxing private education. Just as Daniel claims Legal Aid provides a VAT-free way of getting legal representation, so state schools provide a VAT-free way of obtaining an education for your child. Want to sue someone for a civil tort... that will incur VAT (but Daniel's OK with that as, apparently, defending your civil rights isn't an "essential"). Entirely logically similar, if you think sending your child to a private school provides a better education than using the local comprehensive, why shouldn't that attract VAT? Like the TV licence fee, this new tax is easily and legally avoidable: you simply have to _not_ use the relevant services to which the tax applies. I don't see that being an unreasonable proposition.
@linmal2242 Um, what commercial service is being provided by someone who home schools their own child? Could we at least try to keep the debate rational?
Great content Daniel ignore the woke people for them its standard 😮
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If you haven't already done so, please sign the petition for a new general election and encourage everyone that you know to do the same. We only have two days to have our voices heard.
That petition has been deliberately toned down in terms of access to it, hence why it went from 1000s of signatures a minute to 1 every 4 minutes now on average, it should be up in the 10 Million range.
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@@philiphalpin1997 I agree, but it won't prevent me from trying to get the word out, as it is not something that the majority know about.
The money can't be isolated because there is no money. As soon as tax is paid, the money ceases to exist. As soon as the government spends it, it is created.
@rickjensen2717 lending is one method of increasing money supply, but government spending is more sticky. Once debt is repaid, the money supply returns to previous levels, whereas tax has to be collected to counter government spending.
@@fionagregory9147 Banks don't have the ability to print new money; only lend it. With long-term loans, this is similar to printing (especially if the debt is underwritten by the government). If banks have the ability to lend more money over longer periods (ie. 95% mortgages for a 40 year period), then house prices rise proportionately. This makes the population homeless, or enslaves them to the banks. In such a situation, they will delay having children until they can afford it; by which point the women are post-menopausal. Oh look, I've described the experience of older millennials and the future of Gen Z. 🙈 At least we can replace this missing population with Somalis 👍
A child in the private education sector is a virtual zero cost to the State. Those leaving private education and transferring to the state become a cost. Question: Does the VAT revenue raised cover the additional costs to the State for providing State education? What percentage of students in the private sector need to transfer across to State education for there to be a net loss to the Treasury? What estimates have the Government made for the numbers of students transferring to the State education system?
@sueday4131 She probably put down an answer, but she didn't show her "working out" so doesn't get any marks, especially because the answer was SO wrong - a bit like her CV
BalckBeltBarrister addressed a similar question in an earlier video (th-cam.com/video/jHqoBS6rPfY/w-d-xo.html) - briefly he presents figures showing that the extra VAT the government hopes to raise (the actual amount could very well be less) will not cover the cost of an extra 4500 new teachers as the government claims it will.
The plan is to inflate ofsted figures with better educated children.. Obviously, tax is the primary objective, but they also need to pretend to their brain-dead voters that they are improving education.. They want to pretend that children from ilegal migrants won't be a big problem in the 50pupil classroom "because look how we've improved this local comprehensive".. Labour is going for it hard when it comes to conning its voterbase, primed for next election. Reform is the only way.
20k fees = 4k VAT 8k pa for state education Government is okay upto 1/3 of private school pupils going state. But if no ring fenced funds then much lower.
It’s almost as though they don’t allocate tax taken, to its intended purpose. Like, if they actually spent road fund licence and new car tax on building and maintaining roads. It’s all a con.
Generally, all taxes just end up in the Treasury’s coffers. The same applies to National Insurance, there’s no dedicated pot for it to fund pensions or the NHS. It’s all part of the broader system, and what we pay doesn’t directly correlate to specific expenditures.
Vehicle excise duty just goes into the general taxation pool. When the road fund licence came into being, it was directly spent on developing a road network. Not going to happen ever again.
Certain tax streams should be ring fenced though. Then you wouldn’t end up with shortfalls, which conveniently means the state retirement age gets pushed back. Or, the roads are falling to pieces, for example.
It's another tax. It along with other taxes go into the labour black hole of their own making. As long as there's money to throw around they don't care. To hell with the people.
I think that one of the most evil (tax) things any government has done to its citizens was to add the VAT to domestic fuel bills - Gas and Electricity. A pensioner struggles to pay to heat their home and the government makes 20% VAT from them - when they just can not afford it - it is not a 'Luxury'. Personally I wish there was a government that would review ALL the VAT and Taxes that we pay in this country because it is out of control and it ALL needs reviewing.
I believe VAT was added when we joined the Common Market (Pre-EU) by Edward Heath's govt, to align with Europe. It swelled from 7.5% to the outrageous 20%it is today, even though we've left the EU!
@@sahhull There have been several changes to the VAT rates in the UK and sometimes there were 2 or even 3 different VAT rates covering different categories of goods and services, including a 25% rate for "luxury" goods.
@@CharlesStearman Bet your fun at parties.. I know theres variable rates of tax depending on what it is... For the most part... Joe Public knows VAT is 20%
With everyone finally talking about the grooming gangs I am glad that you’re keeping an eye on what else labour are up to… because while we are watching the gg debates labour will feel free to slip through other policies etc etc the weffers are sneaky..! 👏🏻top show thank you
I imagine a lot of short-sighted people will just assume “they’re rich, they can pay for it”, without considering where this precedent leads if Labour get away with it
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David Starkey's Video 'Why Labour's Economic Plans are Doomed' explains what's going on and why Labour are such mess; how Rachel Reeves came up with all of these policies.
Dya like how instead of just shaving the amount of tax money that goes to some nonsense and putting that into the schools, they just kept everything the same and introduced an additional tax on something else.
The same way Car Tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) and other associated vehicle taxes were supposed to be used to repair roads, build new roads, repair pot holes, etc. But as usual it is pissed away in the wind by going into the general pot for squandering.
In other words VAT was originally a way to tax rich people who could afford to buy luxury goods but like all taxes, eventually it gets applied to everything, even crucially needed goods and services in this case.
@ well we can only blame that on Boris and he fat smug friends…I would say Reform have a massive task if they get in power but they are the only party I would trust
Your Parliament passed an Act in 2011 removing the King's right to dissolve it. It passed when Cameron was Prime Minister, who resigned after passing the Leave Act. Cameron was credited for helping to modernise the Conservative Party & reducing the deficit. He then went to work in Rishi Sunak's government from 2023 to 2024. Contact your member of Parliament and demand a vote of "No Confidence" for the Prime Minister.
Do you actually know why Liz truss was bad ? Only giving her supporters cabinet jobs is about all I can see. The Bank of England and the markets have admitted that they manipulated the pound to make it look like it was falling ! Giving tax breaks does not make a bad prim minister. Doing it too fast was not the best idea but her tax cuts did not bring her down. The deep state, led by the banks and the MSM acted against her and the British people.
The older (and wiser) I get, the harder it feels to have a positive outlook on life in the UK.. this government is so corrupt.. quality of life is noticeably worsening every year.. I have a decent job and get paid fairly well and can feel the struggles.. I can’t imagine what others are experiencing out there…
On private schools. Are not most council or public schools now Academies', these have now merged into larger groups having multiple schools run by a group. should these not now be subject to the same school VAT?
VAT is not about raising revenue, it's about controlling the population. It's much more difficult controlling educated people from a working class background.
Yes I have often thought that school teaches many people to get up and go somewhere by a certain time. That, a bit of reading and writing so they drones can follow their instructions and that's education for many people. Learn about public transport and go to work!
@@BaronMichaelDeBlone1066eyes are being opened tho! I know several (particularly older) people who are disgusted by what Labour are doing and what the tories did!
Perhaps it should be raised as a question in parliament. Will the VAT raised from private schools be tracked? Then will the spend be tracked into the state education system? If not ? Why not?
Thank you for what you do. Between yourself, Tousi tv and Andre Walker you guys take big risks to fight the much needed good fight. You have my gratitude. 🙏🏼
Its just a class thing Labour have always been jealous of private education and if they could they would ban it as it is "Not Fair" to what they keep harping on about as working people. I was a working man, and I chose to send my children to a private school because the local state schools were all under performing. It cost me £1000s but I am glad to have managed to do so for the benefit of my children.
My daughter is at private school, we scrape to get the money together, I just want the best for her, the state schools failed me so I want more for her. I completely agree with black belt lawyer, it’s a complete disgrace going after my daughter’s education, the rich children at private schools are not effected, it’s the struggle to afford private school who are the target it seems. 😢
Thank you Daniel. Not only am I with you, that taxing education is abhorrent, what’s also come to light is that children in private schools are also having vat added to additional learning support. Could you please weave in at some point and raise awareness that we are now a country, taxing children accessing help for their disability and special needs! Are there any legal angles that you can see that would make this illegal? (As opposed to just immoral). Thank you.
I benefited from winning a scholarship to a private school in the 60's and the first person from my South London Council Estate to attend University, this was carried out through the school's charitable trust.
@@madmelwood3778 so basically their arses are covered because they'll never be able to be held accountable for any of their sh1tty decisions. That definitely needs to change - currently it's a get out if Jail free situation. It isn't like that for the rest of us, why should MPs be any different ! ?
I was informed that ‘private’ school is an outdated term. The schools now use independent’ schools. I wonder if councils are going to receive compensation from the Government for having to pick up the costs of having to educate children previously from independent schools.
State funded schools receive an amount per year per pupil, calculated by a complex formula. More kids = more money. Why do you think state funded schools advertise for pupils...?
@@pup6728they advertise? Any school worth its salt is impossible to get in because of demand...The shite ones might advertise to gain their funding but end up with the poor unfortunate souls that couldn't get the good one they wanted..So basically schools advertising is a complete waste of time
V.A.T. is a stealth tax that people have come to accept. Someone does work and provides an end product for a price. The government then applies a 20% surcharge. Where is the value in that !
Why? They use the money given by the people so It goes to the poor. And share the gospel. So lives can come back to the truth, Jesus Christ, and be free from sin death judgement and live in Gods love.
I remember when VAT was introduced, it was classed as a luxury tax! Since when was trying to keep warm a luxury as gas and electricity bill include VAT?
Surely it shouldn’t now be illegal to not educate children? I left school at 14. I’m 53 and a £multimillionaire If I was forced to stay at school, as I would be now, I’d most certainly be poorer
I think Art of Law did an article on this. Children have to be in education, not school as such. I think state education is large part childcare so people can go to work.
WEF stooges? againt our indigenous tax paying population ?
As a small business owner charging 20% tax on top of my price to customers that are already struggling is a joke. And to then have to hand it over every quarter minus the pittance we claim back to a government that throws it at illegal immigrants is sickening
Same here simon, have written several letters to my MP on this and other matters pertaining to the Labour govt policies (he’s labour too) and receive off hand vanilla replies. Bloody infuriating 😤
Way to conflate entirely different issues! But good on you for pointing out that you can claim back the VAT you are charged by suppliers. Thus, the 20% you charge your customers is only on the component of the price that you have added yourself (and it therefore isn't a compounding tax).
If you regard your inputs as a pittance whilst the 20% you charge isn't, you must be adding _a lot_ of value by what you do. Good on you for that.
Value Added Tax used to be a tax for better value. If we buy food at Greggs to eat in, we pay VAT, if we take it out, VAT isn't charged.
When I had my printing business, VAT was charged on different products at different rates. If I printed invoices for customers with any numbers on, they were a different rate to those without numbers.
My rates of VAT were zero, 12%, 15%, and 20%. I used to aim for either exempt or full amount, 20%, the others could be complicated and debatable.
My customers paperwork couldn't always cope with 12% or 15%. Zero rated wasn't exempt, they hadn't begun charging the lower rate.
I used to encourage customers to have VAT exempt or top rate 20%.
I could never understand why what I printed added various rates of increased value?
Some might call that "legalised robbery"
@@rogerbroadbelt3424 Firstly, that sounds highly illegal! There's really only two rates of VAT you're allowed to charge: 20% and 0%. You can't just start inventing your own VAT rates!
But secondly, your Greggs example is interesting. When Australia adopted its Goods and Services Tax in 2000 (GST, which is equivalent to VAT), the government really wanted a 10% tax on everything, no exceptions -but to get it through their upper house, they had to agree to exempting basic food (bread, milk and such like). The 'everything at 10%' is a highly efficient model, of course. Making exemptions left, right and centre merely invites discussions as to whether Jaffa Cakes are biscuits (exempt) or cakes (not exempt), or whether tampons should be exempt when condoms are.
Anyway, my point is that there are lots of ways to implement VAT. I would personally prefer a much lower rate (say 10%) charged on absolutely everything, with huge social provision made for those for whom an extra 10% on their food bill would be excessive, for example.
That would, at a stroke, dispense with Daniel's rather ridiculous argument that criminal law is an essential, so the government provides legal aid (which you might not qualify for), where civil law isn't! All legal services should charge VAT and if you qualifty for legal aid, that should cover the VAT element too.
On the matter of education, however: there is ample _public_ provision made for it. The State regards it as an essential and thus provides it as an entirely free service. Just as it does for hip replacements on the NHS. And if it happens that you, personally, don't want to wait 2 years for a free hip replacement, you're entirely allowed to pay huge private fees to obtain one more quickly. Similarly, if you think your local comprehensive is a bit dodgy and full of people you wouldn't want your children mixing with, that's entirely understandable and you're absolutely allowed to pay private fees to opt out of the state provision. In the case of elective and cosmetic health care, you pay VAT. In the case of essential hip replacements, there'd be no VAT, but the private surgeon's fees are going to be such that you won't care about VAT one way or another! Likewise, if you choose to buy your kid a better education than the state can provide, it's entirely logical that you should pay VAT on the transaction. If you didn't think you were buying a better value-add product, you wouldn't be buying it in the first place, would you? And if there's value add, there ought to be VAT.
Lies, lies and more lies. I despise Starmer and his corrupt government
Please add 'detest'. Then I agree with you.
Misleading? That’s an understatement!
yes ! 90 years ago we hardly had any tax in the UK , only after ww2 were we taxed and it's grown since then . i don't think inheritance / de**th tax should even exist 😟😟😟 greedy .
This "government" couldn't be trusted to tell you the time of day.
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They don't know it!
@@ian666if "the time is subject to whatever mood the Cabal that controls the government decides"
@@nonoyorbusness True when even Agela Rayner pegnant at 15yrs was kicked out by her father and was guiven housing and got a job as a cleaner in a care home but fair play she did take an nvq and managed to be a care worker so she made her way up by being a union rep. The thing is of they get rid of Starmer we could see Angela Raynor as PM THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING :).
They are pig skinned sounds like animal farm.
Once upon a time any one of these scandals would have been enough to bring down a Government let alone a politician but now it's just Standard Operating Procedure. We get the government we deserve for tolerating such low standards at all levels from local councils to Westminster.
And for NOT VOTING - get off your arses and vote sheeple!
I see they are still planning for the future. This was also the process used in South Africa, including the treatment of Nelson Mandela, who was not at Robbin Island smashing rocks but living in the warden's house and being visited by the likes of Joe Biden; they released a statement claiming that Mandell had been killed Stateside; just to gage the reaction but there was none. Mandella then returned the favour with a visit to the States. The exploitation of critical race theory, the removal of statues, the use of equity and inclusion, and the removal of people more than qualified to carry positions of responsibility with folk least able, which in time led to the liberation of South African wealth by, guess who? The next quote to become infamous from the ER Labour Party and applauded by the conservatives will not be that there is no money left but no country.
100% agree
Not. The leaders simply seized that power. We do not 'tolerate' the corrupt mess that we have here. We just do not have a say and the English do not like the unknown and rarely do the research for good MP's through laziness. But we are now in a position that a parliament populated by independents and no main parties would force fierce debate and maybe even find a route to agree to. Otherwise it is now simply dictatorship whatever party you vote for. Independents are now our only chance to thrash out a real consensus well and truly argued in the open and even take money out of politics. Illustrating power corrupts in spades. The only worthy MP's left were the stalwart honest people that questioned the jab. Baptism by fire
And the low standards of the population we live amongst
They lied there way to power
They all lie, the tories are just as bad if not worse
hermm,,,, akshually, itssss spelt "their"
"No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems - of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind."
Thomas Sowell
...itssss...needs at least one apostrophe.@@imeatingicecreamrn
@@imeatingicecreamrnactually*
At least eighty million people allowing a handful of people ruin their lives ...
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A large percentage of those couldn't be bothered to vote.
If they had, Khan wouldn't in and neither would Starmer.
Your not persons your a corporation even though your mind is from the universe,they control your mind.
A vote is wasted on too many people. One I know said he voted labour because he always had 😩
@@cynthiastrawson3316 Thats pretty much the whole of Wales.
Look at it another way.
Starmers Labour, when has it NOT been lying to us?
They even lie in their sleep
When has any politician or party not been lying to us?
ALL politicians lie and you know it.
When they said Brexit will & has made us allot poorer
@@1rickslaterI didn't want to be part of the EU.
In Reeve's defence she is a complete liar.
Probably not. … She is not capable enough to be 100% good at anything.
I don't understand how she's still got her job!
😂
She's probably also a very confused male, too.
She admitted to being a plagerist this shows how low she would go to further her ambition.
Simple question. Do universities have to charge VAT? No. How can it be legal to have a two tier VAT system for schools?
School is a subset of Training. Training is exempt from VAT. However, training for a job adds value to the employee. An educated child is more valuable to a company than a less, or uneducated child.
The thinking is all muddled. This Labour Policy is simply an ideological cash grab to punish private schools with no economic rationale, nor taxation rationale.
Labour are idiots.
This is the problem, it’s victimisation, prejudice. If we did the same fees based upon religion, race etc it would be illegal. Strange this????
Just wait. Starmer’s evil will continue…
'Two tier' appears to be a Labour policy......
The politics of envy creates its own vindictive rules.
There is only one word for this Labour ‘governments’ action ‘Spite’
Starmer is a WEF puppet. He will do whatever his WEF masters order, despite the damage caused.
It's far worse than that, I fear.
Theres another word that springs to mind.
Misspelled p = h 👀
They should know where the money goes!
Didn't Rachel Reeves say She has to account for every penny ?!! Haha
I want to know where EVERY penny has gone - public money the public should have a right to know.
RR has taken a fair lump of it to cover her 2nd properties Heating and Council Tax, via expenses claims.
I hope the state schools hold her to account and demand the government pay the schools directly for every child they take on from private schools
Rachel Reeves is 100% a Proven Liar. Anything coming from her mouth, has been a blatant lie..Liar's will always be Liar's.
She stole£10,000 of taxpayers money to pay her bills on a second home
Yes but she is a 'see you next Tuesday' type.
Ps google 'See you next Tuesday'
How do we know Starmer and Reeves are lying? Their lips are moving.
They could be lying using Sign Language.
@lordElpus10their breathing their lying...
Their neurons are firing so they are lying.
One should be able to opt out of Foreign Aid contributions collected in income tax
@@DavidBrown-sr8di one should be able , as a human being to opt out of being governed! As an honest human being I don't need to be governed, I know the difference between right and wrong and I don't want or need , the fraudulent system , that is the global econom, which is nothing more than a giant ponzy scheme!
Where is the son of a toolmakers child going to study next year? He struggled to study for his GCSE last year so that the son of a toolmakers child needed a friend to offer accommodation to help him study. Animal farm in action?🤮
And he still failed his 'O' levels - an absolute tool just like his father. But no matter, his father's 'contacts' will still ensure he has an easy path through life.
@@jamesbarbour8400dad will fix it. Get an ology printed out and get him on the new years honours list 2025
What Starmer has done to the kids who now can’t find a local school - it’s just disgusting.
The cabinet is under qualified and the people are just not good at their job.
This is all ideological not financial.
Student union politics....
Your closing remarks are spot on.
These policies are insane.
Hang on.. Betting is exempt from VAT ? What the bloody hell. The government could make billions of revenue from putting Vat on bookmakers. Who's ever seen a hard up bookmaker. Especially the large ones that always advertise on social media. Tax them now and not tax the schools.
The large betting organisations and /or their owners are large political donors. You don't bite the hand that is handing you millions in "donations" (bribes).
They still get taxed on their profits like any business. There used to be a betting tax which was charged on the stake money but this was abolished by Gordon Brown in 2001.
remember 'Tony Blaire' ?
@@rwkh10 betting keeps everyone poor and therefore must be encouraged
They have to re mortgage and then pay it off.
They have no idea what they are doing because nobody on the front bench is qualified to do the job allocated. Shame on the whole government for targeting children.
And pensioners....and farmers...
@@CAROLECOOK-v3m starmers just cancelled the inquiry I to the grooming gangs scandal. I wonder why?
So much money disappeared into nothing.
Hotels
makes them even worse than the SNP!
Disappeared into paying for your replacement
Why are we paying VAT on electricity and gas?
It's a reduced rate of 5%
Obviously not essential
We should pay no VAT on life essentials period.
Those sound essential to me!
@@Welshlass2024 🤨
An evil tax from an EVIL government.
One point about the fees that are paid to private schools. Those fees are paid out of already taxed income by way of income tax!
Yep
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That goes for almost everything we buy of course - it's compound tax!
Perhaps....
And you also pay for education in your rates. So could those parents ask for a refund as they are not using the state schools my guess is a big fat NO!!!
Good point about how this isn’t being applied to university education. That demonstrates that this move is motivated by spite, not logic.
"Equal" to Socialists ALWAYS means dragging the successful down, not elevating the ones struggling.
If the rich didn't "take" everything, we'd all be rich. apparently. Even the welfare scroungers, and indeed the country. Mind you, the elites do in fact steal everything, but they are the ones pointing at the "rich", in this case middle class or upper middle class people who aren't multinationals. So the successful, or the lucky, or even the hard workers. Shared misery is equality!
Under a Socialist State the rulers rule, they are not "equal", everybody else is. Thus people who say they are socialists really mean they want everybody else forced to live under socialism while they have the best for themselves. We have seen several very obvious examples of this from spivs and grifters quite high up. How anybody defends such deceit is beyond every reasonable person.
John Lennon wrote "Imagine no possession, I wonder if you can" in his Surrey mansion with a Rolls-Royce in the drive. A true socialist.
@@brmh1667 We will end up with "Stakeholder capitalism" that is socialism for us, but not for the elites. It's basically already happening, but think of the elites jetting around the planet to talk about stopping the poors from taking an annual holiday as an example. or EV vehicles being imposed without market success so basically the principle of a planned economy. Because the elites really control the dialogue, you have people thinking the farmers are "rich", whilst actually billionaires plot to buy up their land, they have no power to stop that. The "rich" will be the first to go, as the elites steal everything, much like the robber barons of the past. They are already coming for our meagre savings now. What is it, 3000 now before a 20% tax? That corrected for inflation is more like 500 compared to the past. AS you say, we are ruled, and democracy is becoming a farce, or a theatre.
@brmh1667 Didn't you know some people are more equal than others?
@@brmh1667I think the socialists are either evil or stupid. The socialist theory doesn't make sense, the goal is a classless society which power positions being transitory. No socialist state has managed to reach this classless end goal, because it can't work, it literally makes no sense. So they are either stupid for not seeing this, or evil because they do and go for it anyway.
I was always told Vat is Euro tax to fund the EU. So why are we still paying Vat if we are no longer in the EU.
@@adrianpowell2526 because it's still necessary to keep everyone poor
That's because it never was that. Purchase Tax was introduced in 1940. It was though renamed VAT (and simplified) when the UK joined the Common Market (the forerunner of the EU) - and I think that is where the Brexiteer sophistry on VAT being an EU tax comes from.
taxing any form of education is purely insane - If you want growth - you would never ever restrict people learning
But they don't want growth
Typical, spiteful Labour !
Wrong way round. You'd tax more to give better education to everyone, especially those paying for private advantages over evry other child.
If they recruit anywhere near 6,500 teachers they'll have spent the money 5x over so it doesn't matter if it's ringfenced or not.
Seems like a strange thing to get your knickers in a twist about
@@vetinaris1297 You don't want to make the cost of private education expensive.
you want to very very strongly incentive people making quality education for a low price. Public sector schooling is a bottomless pit that leads to poor results and by definition makes no attempt to save money. Let people spend the money on the things they want instead of shuttling it to the public coffers constantly.
Certain people have always wanted to get rid of elite schools, be they grammar schools or private schools.
They will probably have to send their own mutts to private ( WEF approved) schools in mainland Europe so the kids can study in peace.... you know, like ...
Marxists. They want the ' to educate your child the 'right' way; which is LEFT' !
The grammar schools allow people from poor backgrounds to have a better education based on ability not how wealthy their parents are.
I am of an age when we had purchase tax, VAT started in the early 70’s when we joined the EEC. Which seemed a good idea at the time. When I was working in a bank we had a zero rated and a separate exempt rated account. I know the difference now. Horses for courses. This is ideologically driven and could cost more to the economy plus the disruption to children is unforgivable.
Like you I can remember the Purchase Tax days. I seem to recall that when the VAT came in it was at a rate of 8%. Its interesting how the rates have risen with the rising expectations of what the state should provide.
@@Fanakapan222 Yes, standard rate was 8%. 8%!
@@mikee9765 What is it now? In AUS our GST (general sales tax) is 12 % on everything !
@@linmal2242 20% (yes, really! UK folk just accept whatever is thrown at them by Government and Local Authorities!). Electricity and Gas 5%. Petrol etc is taxed and VAT taken on the tax!!! Current apology for Goverment (Labour) is putting VAT on education (school fees) at 20% wef -1 January 2025. You couldn't make it up!
So basically Starmer doesn’t consider educating children essential.
Wants to keep the masses dumbed down so that there is an adequate supply of factory workers, who are just smart enough to do the job but not smart enough to challenge the status quo. Us and them, in a nutshell !
Only his own and the rest of these corrupt failed politicians, children!
He does when it’s his. Hence his excuse for staying at Lord Ally’s
He might have another reason for being at Lord Ali’s and could be connected to the rumours that his wife is divorcing Starmer.
He would rather children they were ignorant and compliant not erudite and knowledgeable.
If they can add VAT to education they can add it to anything.
Incidentally, the large supermarkets said they would donate the money they made on charging for plastic bags (when that charge came in) to local charities. Asked my local supermarket about it. They had no idea what i was talking about. I think its worth an investigation.
Yep, that began in 2015 with a condemnation of plastic, and five years later, we had plastic money notes in circulation.
@@Birdseyeview10 they all fly jets everywhere too, and khan even has the cheek to impliment a “ulez” or “zero emissions zone” charge and gets drove about in a decked out 5 litre Range Rover that some how is exempt from ulez charges, plus whoever else is in convoy. Do they really care about the environment? I don’t think they do 🤷♂️
@@Birdseyeview10 And now plastic bags are made more cheaply they are rarely reusable. We used to get a free plastic bag that could be reused for the shopping for months and then when the handles started to fail you use it for garden waste or bin waste. The free ones compost on the journey home and the ones you buy do not last as long as the free ones they used to give out. A huge fail.
My Pussy Cat has just registered for VAT as she claims she is providing a Service, which is catching mice.
Advice please. Is this normal?🐱
@@MrbrownWMD Khan is given a knighthood, a mask he can hide behind.
I was state school educated, the biggest problem in state schools is large classrooms. Pushing kids out of private into state is only gonna make that issue worse. The government is damaging both private & state education with this spiteful tax!
Tax ALWAYS damages. We just accepted some of it for police and military. But these days it's totally out of control.
Another is the state schools are teaching subjects that are NOT useful in the child's lifetime. I don't want my grandchildren to learn about transgender, blm, diversity as they can learn about things that matter
Yes, children in the State system will suffer. I think it’ll be particularly obvious in September 25 particularly in the entry years of primary and secondary schools, as well as FE colleges all of which will be having to take in far more children applying than in previous years. Children who would previously have got into the school of their choice in the state system might struggle to get a place anywhere.
If a couple of private schools close in an area it’ll cause utter chaos with the state system not being able to accommodate the influx but will be legally required to do so. 🤯
I would suggest the main problem in state schools is almost total lack of discipline. Just 3 kids can ruin the education of the rest, but often you have ten in a class now.
@ 10 in a class. More like 30.
One lesson we have all learned to our cost. Is that this regime has never cost valued any policy with success to date.
One question that must be asked, does this government or any of its ministers even know what they're doing, or what the long term consequences of their policies will mean in the broader scheme of things. Somehow I don't think so.
no they don't have a clue. everything they want to change is a bigger disaster than the titanic. surely someone in government can do basic maths 🤔. so not only will labour end up with less vat than they thought they would have, labour will also have to pay unemployment to all the teachers that will lose their jobs. see this policy adding the mysterious £22 billion deficit. there are far better ways of raising funds for this mysterious £22 billion. stop all MPs pay raises and cut the amount for expenses. if MPs want a second house then that is paid for by the MP not the public or are we entitled to live in their 2nd homes funded by our taxes.
Politicians only exist for the benefit of politicians.
They are out to destroy the country as per wef requirements. Need to be charged with treason but Charles is one too
Or do they even care beyond the point of having more money come under their direct control knowing, or believing, that they can use what comes in however they want at the time.
They know exactly what they are doing,their aim is to destroy the country. They aren't worried about the next general election because they know there won't be one.
Private schools are considered as a soft tax target by Labour where as universities are not
L is for Labour, L is for Lies, L is for Lice.
low, lamentable, lascivious, letcherous, lunatics. . . .
insurance was exempt from VAT but subsequently Insurance Premium Tax was implemented on all insurance premiums as a new tax.
Everyone knows how involved Starmer is in all this.
What a surprise 😅😅😅. They are out for themselves not for the people .... not for England... they want the money where ever it comes from
Wherever is one word.
Worse than that: they are at war with us. But so were the Tories.
If starman said water was wet i'd have to check to make sure. Lies just fall out of his mouth.
Sir Kid Starver?
Sir OAP freezer
A bit like Camermoron or Borid or any of the others.... ?
@@Anarkey-Mouse all 2 cheeks of the same arse.
@@Anarkey-Mouse 2 cheeks of the same bum hole pal.
Even if they tracked it, they will employ the same stupid loophole used everywhere else.
- We got 5,000,000 from private school VAT.
- We now reduce the budget for state schools by 5,000,000; and then add back what we got from VAT.
- We now have 5,000,000 we can use for whatever we please (which coincidentally means lining our/our buddies' pockets)
Ta-da! See, we put this money towards state schools.
Ref VAT: why were women’s sanitary products considered VATable. 🤷♀️
Also, toilet paper.
And clothes.
But not 2nd homes ...
Great videos - ignore the wokes
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VAT on private schools is a nasty ill-thought-out tax which ironically disadvantages poorer parents but benefits the better off parents who can afford the increase in fees, thus creating a better education for the wealthy. Labour didn't have the gumption to work this out.
They know exactly what they are doing
Keeping the poor as uneducated as possible
I think it’s unfair to describe the tax as I’ll thought out - that assumes that some actual thought was used dreaming it up. Hit the “ rich “!,
Politics of envy and greed.
@@walkazyes I agree with your comment they are following the WEF agenda
They have gone through every part of tax received to see where they can get more tax from. None of this is planned because they haven’t got a clue what there doing.Labour will never get into power again, not sure if they’ll manage a year, where heading for a recession.🤯🤡
You have said in the past that if a private schooling child can't get a place in a state school, the state may land up having to send them back to a private school, if that happens does the state have to then pay the fees, and if it does i take it they will also land up paying the VAT.
Yep
Yes. I read a case last year where a SEN pupil had to leave their indie school due to extra cost, LEA couldn’t provide a place but are legally obliged to so agreed to pay the fees at the indie school. Madness- but a win for the parents!
They need the money for the hotel bills, The pensions (health heating allowance) isn’t enough to pay for it on it own neither is the farmers bank accounts!
I agree that Labour always likes to tax and spend, so why anyone is surprised at that, I have no idea. The fact you (and I) don't like _how_ they choose to spend, however, shouldn't blind you to the logic behind taxing private education.
Just as Daniel claims Legal Aid provides a VAT-free way of getting legal representation, so state schools provide a VAT-free way of obtaining an education for your child.
Want to sue someone for a civil tort... that will incur VAT (but Daniel's OK with that as, apparently, defending your civil rights isn't an "essential"). Entirely logically similar, if you think sending your child to a private school provides a better education than using the local comprehensive, why shouldn't that attract VAT?
Like the TV licence fee, this new tax is easily and legally avoidable: you simply have to _not_ use the relevant services to which the tax applies. I don't see that being an unreasonable proposition.
@@dizwell So, Home Schooling ? Or will they try to tax that too ?
@linmal2242 Um, what commercial service is being provided by someone who home schools their own child? Could we at least try to keep the debate rational?
Where would we be if we were forced to agree and have no allowance for differences of opinion? ... The Labour hellhole we are currently in.
😂😂😂true ❤❤❤
Yep - a Dictatorship !
Great content Daniel ignore the woke people for them its standard 😮
If you haven't already done so, please sign the petition for a new general election and encourage everyone that you know to do the same. We only have two days to have our voices heard.
That petition has been deliberately toned down in terms of access to it, hence why it went from 1000s of signatures a minute to 1 every 4 minutes now on average, it should be up in the 10 Million range.
@@philiphalpin1997 I agree, but it won't prevent me from trying to get the word out, as it is not something that the majority know about.
Which party is going to Ban The Bomb?
@@dod642 Which bomb?
Nuclear bombs. CND symbol on your profile suggests you might know?
The money can't be isolated because there is no money.
As soon as tax is paid, the money ceases to exist. As soon as the government spends it, it is created.
More or less correct. Money is destroyed when debt or tax is paid, and is created when banks lend it to people and businesses.
@rickjensen2717 lending is one method of increasing money supply, but government spending is more sticky. Once debt is repaid, the money supply returns to previous levels, whereas tax has to be collected to counter government spending.
@@christianhall3034 correct ✅️
Banks should print more money.
@@fionagregory9147 Banks don't have the ability to print new money; only lend it.
With long-term loans, this is similar to printing (especially if the debt is underwritten by the government).
If banks have the ability to lend more money over longer periods (ie. 95% mortgages for a 40 year period), then house prices rise proportionately. This makes the population homeless, or enslaves them to the banks. In such a situation, they will delay having children until they can afford it; by which point the women are post-menopausal.
Oh look, I've described the experience of older millennials and the future of Gen Z. 🙈
At least we can replace this missing population with Somalis 👍
A child in the private education sector is a virtual zero cost to the State. Those leaving private education and transferring to the state become a cost.
Question: Does the VAT revenue raised cover the additional costs to the State for providing State education? What percentage of students in the private sector need to transfer across to State education for there to be a net loss to the Treasury? What estimates have the Government made for the numbers of students transferring to the State education system?
Do you think Rachel from accounts did the working out on that?
@sueday4131 She probably put down an answer, but she didn't show her "working out" so doesn't get any marks, especially because the answer was SO wrong - a bit like her CV
BalckBeltBarrister addressed a similar question in an earlier video (th-cam.com/video/jHqoBS6rPfY/w-d-xo.html) - briefly he presents figures showing that the extra VAT the government hopes to raise (the actual amount could very well be less) will not cover the cost of an extra 4500 new teachers as the government claims it will.
The plan is to inflate ofsted figures with better educated children..
Obviously, tax is the primary objective, but they also need to pretend to their brain-dead voters that they are improving education..
They want to pretend that children from ilegal migrants won't be a big problem in the 50pupil classroom "because look how we've improved this local comprehensive"..
Labour is going for it hard when it comes to conning its voterbase, primed for next election.
Reform is the only way.
20k fees = 4k VAT
8k pa for state education
Government is okay upto 1/3 of private school pupils going state.
But if no ring fenced funds then much lower.
It’s almost as though they don’t allocate tax taken, to its intended purpose. Like, if they actually spent road fund licence and new car tax on building and maintaining roads. It’s all a con.
Generally, all taxes just end up in the Treasury’s coffers. The same applies to National Insurance, there’s no dedicated pot for it to fund pensions or the NHS. It’s all part of the broader system, and what we pay doesn’t directly correlate to specific expenditures.
Vehicle excise duty just goes into the general taxation pool.
When the road fund licence came into being, it was directly spent on developing a road network.
Not going to happen ever again.
Certain tax streams should be ring fenced though. Then you wouldn’t end up with shortfalls, which conveniently means the state retirement age gets pushed back. Or, the roads are falling to pieces, for example.
@@chrisblay The state pension age is reportedly being increased due to the claim that people are living longer.
Question any tax and they suddenly claim it's for the NHS. The NHS should be like 5* hotels with all this tax money they get.
It's another tax. It along with other taxes go into the labour black hole of their own making. As long as there's money to throw around they don't care. To hell with the people.
I think we all know what this money is going to be spent on... cough... hotel rooms... cough.
I think that one of the most evil (tax) things any government has done to its citizens was to add the VAT to domestic fuel bills - Gas and Electricity. A pensioner struggles to pay to heat their home and the government makes 20% VAT from them - when they just can not afford it - it is not a 'Luxury'. Personally I wish there was a government that would review ALL the VAT and Taxes that we pay in this country because it is out of control and it ALL needs reviewing.
Technically gas and electricity have always been subject to VAT but they used to be zero-rated so there was no extra charge.
I agree with the sentiment, but VAT on domestic fuel is 5% not 20%.
@@Yossarian-uj9dh Yet!
I believe VAT was added when we joined the Common Market (Pre-EU) by Edward Heath's govt, to align with Europe. It swelled from 7.5% to the outrageous 20%it is today, even though we've left the EU!
It wouldn't suprise me if they raised vat to 25%.
@@sahhull There have been several changes to the VAT rates in the UK and sometimes there were 2 or even 3 different VAT rates covering different categories of goods and services, including a 25% rate for "luxury" goods.
@@CharlesStearman Bet your fun at parties.. I know theres variable rates of tax depending on what it is... For the most part... Joe Public knows VAT is 20%
@@sahhullJoe Public also knows what politicians are. . . . They would be right to hope their security details never “Look the other way”.
With everyone finally talking about the grooming gangs I am glad that you’re keeping an eye on what else labour are up to… because while we are watching the gg debates labour will feel free to slip through other policies etc etc the weffers are sneaky..! 👏🏻top show thank you
Distraction techniques!
Smoke and mirrors
th-cam.com/video/VrXMiCzpmLE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2SoqL9b_NKKuRN4L
I imagine a lot of short-sighted people will just assume “they’re rich, they can pay for it”, without considering where this precedent leads if Labour get away with it
David Starkey's Video 'Why Labour's Economic Plans are Doomed' explains what's going on and why Labour are such mess; how Rachel Reeves came up with all of these policies.
Yes, its quite remarkable that the lovely Rachel is considered the 'Brains' of the current incarnation of Labour.
Reeves implementing Janet Yellen ‘ of course you have to pay shareholders’.
Dya like how instead of just shaving the amount of tax money that goes to some nonsense and putting that into the schools, they just kept everything the same and introduced an additional tax on something else.
We are going to tax payments to education establishments, so we can pay education establishments. Such nonsense from the so-called highly educated.
Starmer’s Labour - government by spite.
No school should ever be charged VAT ever but a betting site are exempt makes no bloody sense at all
The same way Car Tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) and other associated vehicle taxes were supposed to be used to repair roads, build new roads, repair pot holes, etc. But as usual it is pissed away in the wind by going into the general pot for squandering.
As per normal, for any and all govts. !
Including £5million plus per day supporting the ever growing illegal migrants in luxury hotels, having priority NHS services etc! Makes me boil!
VAT was only introduced in 1972 to pay for Britains membership to the EEC
In other words VAT was originally a way to tax rich people who could afford to buy luxury goods but like all taxes, eventually it gets applied to everything, even crucially needed goods and services in this case.
It won't stop until you hold them accountable. You aren't voting your way out of this.
I was under the impression that once we had left The EU we would have VAT FREE Gas and Electricity bills …did I dream this?
We never had VAT before the common market. If we're not paying VAT to the EU anymore, where's that money going? 2TKs black hole?
We have never been free of the EU. Brexit never happened.
@ well we can only blame that on Boris and he fat smug friends…I would say Reform have a massive task if they get in power but they are the only party I would trust
@@Paratus7 Yes it did, and you got exactly what you were warned of.
@@MrDblStopit has not been implemented, it's a case of BRINO !
Funding the boats another 3 word catchphrase invented by Labour Party
Time for Kier Starmer to resign or the King to dissolve parliament! He is worse than Liz Truss and that’s saying something!
Liz was really good by comparison.
Your Parliament passed an Act in 2011 removing the King's right to dissolve it. It passed when Cameron was Prime Minister, who resigned after passing the Leave Act. Cameron was credited for helping to modernise the Conservative Party & reducing the deficit.
He then went to work in Rishi Sunak's government from 2023 to 2024.
Contact your member of Parliament and demand a vote of "No Confidence" for the Prime Minister.
@ I can’t disagree with that.
Do you actually know why Liz truss was bad ?
Only giving her supporters cabinet jobs is about all I can see. The Bank of England and the markets have admitted that they manipulated the pound to make it look like it was falling ! Giving tax breaks does not make a bad prim minister. Doing it too fast was not the best idea but her tax cuts did not bring her down. The deep state, led by the banks and the MSM acted against her and the British people.
Why was Liz worse? She seemed to be moved on extra quick because she wasn’t going to follow orders from the WEF.
The older (and wiser) I get, the harder it feels to have a positive outlook on life in the UK.. this government is so corrupt.. quality of life is noticeably worsening every year.. I have a decent job and get paid fairly well and can feel the struggles.. I can’t imagine what others are experiencing out there…
On private schools. Are not most council or public schools now Academies', these have now merged into larger groups having multiple schools run by a group. should these not now be subject to the same school VAT?
It must apply to them as they are businesses .
If their lips move it's a lie 😡
VAT is not about raising revenue, it's about controlling the population. It's much more difficult controlling educated people from a working class background.
I totally agree with your comment 👍
That’s why state school’s education is just enough to be a worker bee so you don’t question anything
Yes I have often thought that school teaches many people to get up and go somewhere by a certain time. That, a bit of reading and writing so they drones can follow their instructions and that's education for many people. Learn about public transport and go to work!
I think this is the worse government ever
I remember the last time liebour got into power.
That wasn't fun either.
These last two governments have been absolutely disastrous for this once Great Britain. 😔😠
Quite, yet so many people still see a difference between these failed parties.
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Farage it is, then.
@@BaronMichaelDeBlone1066eyes are being opened tho! I know several (particularly older) people who are disgusted by what Labour are doing and what the tories did!
@@BaronMichaelDeBlone1066 That's because they are lied too and believe the lies that they are told.😔
I'm waiting for these corrupted Politicians to go too jail where they belong What's coming can't be stopped God bless all +
God Wins
ha - they have about as much chance as Trump for seeing prison time!
To go to jail.
@suecharnock9369 trump wont see prison because the allegations made against him are nonsense... misdemeanours at most
The labour party are a bunch of amateurs
nah... they are professional liars, professional liberty takers, professional bung takers, and professional shysters.
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and the tories or that far right bunch of idiots are better lol FFS
@@rosehippyguy3402 lightweight......Downright treason!
No they are not. They are paid to be professional liars. So not amateurs because they lie for a living.
Perhaps it should be raised as a question in parliament. Will the VAT raised from private schools be tracked? Then will the spend be tracked into the state education system? If not ? Why not?
And the answer will be "well you just need to trust us" next question.
We live under "The Empire of Lies".
Thank you for what you do. Between yourself, Tousi tv and Andre Walker you guys take big risks to fight the much needed good fight. You have my gratitude. 🙏🏼
Its just a class thing Labour have always been jealous of private education and if they could they would ban it as it is "Not Fair" to what they keep harping on about as working people. I was a working man, and I chose to send my children to a private school because the local state schools were all under performing. It cost me £1000s but I am glad to have managed to do so for the benefit of my children.
Tax. Tax. Tax. All islamist, union paymaster labour party . Liars. Liars. Liars.
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You pay tax on the money your earn. You pay tax to spend your money. You pay tax to save your money. You pay tax to die.
My daughter is at private school, we scrape to get the money together, I just want the best for her, the state schools failed me so I want more for her.
I completely agree with black belt lawyer, it’s a complete disgrace going after my daughter’s education, the rich children at private schools are not effected, it’s the struggle to afford private school who are the target it seems. 😢
Thank you Daniel. Not only am I with you, that taxing education is abhorrent, what’s also come to light is that children in private schools are also having vat added to additional learning support. Could you please weave in at some point and raise awareness that we are now a country, taxing children accessing help for their disability and special needs! Are there any legal angles that you can see that would make this illegal? (As opposed to just immoral). Thank you.
Ed milliband “that’s mine! That’s mine!!”
Paying tax with money that’s already been taxed is theft and don’t even get me started on fuel duty
I benefited from winning a scholarship to a private school in the 60's and the first person from my South London Council Estate to attend University, this was carried out through the school's charitable trust.
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The public outsmarted and shafted again. No one is accountable, and so the cycle continues.
🇬🇧Keep Calm🇬🇧...
And Obey!
Imagine if this was Boris it would be so over the news.
Yep
Given how incompetent they are could Labour be brought up on charges over this?
Nope...something to do with our constitutional law
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@@madmelwood3778 so basically their arses are covered because they'll never be able to be held accountable for any of their sh1tty decisions. That definitely needs to change - currently it's a get out if Jail free situation. It isn't like that for the rest of us, why should MPs be any different ! ?
I was informed that ‘private’ school is an outdated term. The schools now use independent’ schools.
I wonder if councils are going to receive compensation from the Government for having to pick up the costs of having to educate children previously from independent schools.
Will the parents get a refund for the term that they didn't get access to
State funded schools receive an amount per year per pupil, calculated by a complex formula.
More kids = more money.
Why do you think state funded schools advertise for pupils...?
@@pup6728they advertise? Any school worth its salt is impossible to get in because of demand...The shite ones might advertise to gain their funding but end up with the poor unfortunate souls that couldn't get the good one they wanted..So basically schools advertising is a complete waste of time
Isn't it wonderful how people dismiss objective fact and are happy to act with utter contempt when the issue aligns to their political stance.
give us an example
@annother3350 the content of the video is the example.
@@dime124 But Labour have lied and misled the public -- surely you can see that?
Didn't Starmer make misinformation a crime ?
Why isn't anyone facing charges?
There's people who have been put in prison because of misinformation
V.A.T. is a stealth tax that people have come to accept.
Someone does work and provides an end product for a price. The government then applies a 20% surcharge. Where is the value in that !
Religious Organisations being Tax Exempt needs to be changed if anything.
Why? They use the money given by the people so It goes to the poor. And share the gospel. So lives can come back to the truth, Jesus Christ, and be free from sin death judgement and live in Gods love.
Why? Leave them alone.
@andrewjackson8089 I explained above is it still up.
@@Adam-n8y What about private faith schools?
@MrAbstraxsax They don't get any help from state yet pay 20 percent tax. From private tuition fees. Which is wrong.
I remember when VAT was introduced, it was classed as a luxury tax! Since when was trying to keep warm a luxury as gas and electricity bill include VAT?
It replaced Purchase Tax. It was 8%. 8%! There was a much higher rate of VAT on "luxuries". 25%?
They've cut funding for schools and colleges a fair bit already over the years.
Labour hasn’t 🤷♂️
@@alangordon3283Nope but they are making up for it now.
@@alangordon3283 Labour’s budget cut £56 million in cash terms, and £140 million in real terms, from the education budget in Wales 🤷
Surely it shouldn’t now be illegal to not educate children?
I left school at 14. I’m 53 and a £multimillionaire
If I was forced to stay at school, as I would be now, I’d most certainly be poorer
I think Art of Law did an article on this. Children have to be in education, not school as such.
I think state education is large part childcare so people can go to work.