Metamodernism: Scientism or Religion? - There is another option: Jonathan Rowson & Brendan Dempsey
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- This is the link to what was a very rich conversation between Jonathan and Brendan.
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I'm loving this! I've about a half hour left; good stuff!
I've noticed the issue with "soul" and "spirit": they're easily confused if one forgets the founding principle; body is mixed with spirit and soul is created. I've been saying soul is spirit flowing through body but, body flows with time so, maybe spirit doesn't "flow" so much, and soul is the "gouge" body makes in spirit as body flows through.
At any rate, an interesting consequence is that written word is soul and spoken word is spirit. Also: this is the letter "A"; and we in community are in a position to teach the teacher the meaning of the letter "A". ... Cool, eh?
Fantastic!
This episode has a Masonic resonance being invoked in me. As I listen to the podcast and smile, as I hear children playing in the background [ as a father, I know that the struggle is real], I get flashbacks to my 3 initiation ceremonies of becoming a Master Mason. It's a system of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols. The resurrection is definitely symbolic and metaphorical. It is a tradition that has been celebrated for at least 300 years if not a few millenia. One of the foci of the craft is that of nature and science and the 3 initiation degrees have a specific symbology to 1. Birth 2. Life and 3. Death
I believe the path you are on is one that might have been intentionally hidden for many years.
I really appreciate Jeff responding to one of my questions on Gregg's UTOK channel otherwise I would never have come across the awesome work you both are doing here.
Hi Bill. Glad you found the content stimulating. Interesting to hear that you connect our conversation to Masonic overtones. As we on our own separate journeys approach the central truths, we also inevitably start connecting insights about life that previously seemed impossible.
@billg302 can you remind me which Utok episode I responded to you for context? I do believe you are right. The path was hidden for whatever reason. Steiner clearly made the path open at great risk to himself. I believe he made a crucially right choice in service to humanity at just the right time. Thank you for your intensive response. Next step for us is Steiner's work Christianity as Mystical Fact. One of his foundational works that seems to be just the right time to revisit. Interesting timing for you to join in. Look forward to future engagement.
@jeffbarney3584 it was episode 6 of now UTOKing referring to the self. I asked a question about light and consciousness with no context. You referred me to an excellent series called Truth and Science 5/6, which touched on this subject. Now, I would like to posit the same question but with connection to the double slit experiment where light is both particle and wave. For 23 years, I have been mystified by the phenomenon. Roughly 23 years ago, I was reading Spinoza, Hobbes, and Hegle, and perhaps the resonance I have had to the phenomenon is related. Dr. Joe Dispenza refers to a similar ideology of the mind being both wave and particle. However, I take the stance that the inverse of his theory is true. We don't collapse the wave function when we interact with the world as the self, but we are the wave, and the world is the backdrop in which the interference pattern is visible. When we internalize and reflect on the self, we then collapse the wave function and become the particle. I believe that we continuously oscillate between both wave and particle at the speed of light where we don't notice it. A metaphor for this seamless oscillation would be that of film in a projector, the reel moves so fast that we can't perceive the individual images on the film and as a result the images appear to be moving in real time. We are a point source in which we propagate waves and also interact with others who also have their own wavelength and vibration.
As my Grandfather would say," I am baffling myself with bullshit." And that I need to get back to work. Gregg would probably say the same.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
@@billg302 I love this. And as you can tell from my and Angus' talks I from a psycho spiritual point of view with soul phenomena, am right there with you. I think you would love our little group working through Steiner's Interdisciplinary Astronomy lectures. th-cam.com/play/PLEt-RrSrz7JP5q2RsC0MAf7MNT43j2BGp.html
This might also help concerning the nature of light
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Perhaps it's not the definition of "virgin" that needs to be loosened but, the definition of "birth". Recall Athena, born virgin from the mind of Zeus. Just so, we can witness the birth of Truth in our own mind if one can remove the presemination.
I am onboard with you there. The miracle of the completely disordered ovum by met by an organizing principle in the sperm. Chaos and order (entropy and structure) the essential polairty of existence.
The immaculate conception could also be viewed as an unsullied intuition as to the full conceptual nature of what we experience, be it through our senses or inner soul life.
Well said!
@@TheExceptionalState "the completely disordered ovum met by an organizing principle in the sperm" strikes me as an old and offensive dogma. Care to explain? The way i see it, the masculine aspect is agency, motive; order is part of the feminine, if only the masculine would listen.