It's so interesting that a child could ever be diagnosed with something that an adult can not be, as if to say that upon their 18th birthday a veil is magically lifted and they are healed.
no. it's that ODD is something that happens in childhood and if not properly treated, evolves into other disorders, likely borderline or antisocial personality disorder.
@@s0yjuice How did you heal it? It's really a problem for me. It's also amazing how professional talk about this as some kind of egocentric and childlike attitude/problem. This problem do more harm to me than to others, and I know it's related to the way my mother treated me.. It's like you want to look strong to avoid shame but inside you feel a mess.
I saw this video years ago whilst in a relationship with a man who had ODD. He REFUSED to seek help, and I quietly left him. I just couldn't suffer anymore. It's sad that he saw that something was wrong but refused to make a change.
I've got ODD and ADHD that has been crippling my life since I was a child. ODD goes far far deeper than just being petulant and contrary. You fight with yourself every day with ODD.
Thanks for insight brother I'm looking for advice, my little brother is 6 and has odd and I see him go through violent arguments and hell hit ppl and then yell and scream and everything but I would like to know how I can handle these situations to improve his mental stability/health and help him
Yes it's the oppositional stands they take that can really drive you insane. They're quick to point out others errors, but have very little ability to reflect on their own behaviors and life choices.
I'm 48 years old with ODD that I self diagnosed about 3 years ago. My sister doesn't know she has it, she's 50, and my father battled with it all his life (deceased). I have lost so many jobs because of this. Some jobs lasted up to 5 years, most less than 6 months and the rest days or weeks. Most jobs ended in a shouting match with an employer and either me storming out or being escorted from the building. I treat people I worked with and my family and the few "friends" I have with anger and contempt if they didn't do or say what I want. I never had many friends at school, would rather do afternoon detention than school work I chose to remain single and no have kids because even in my teens I knew I wasn't "normal" and didn't want kids with the same messed up brain. I have relationship problems with my mother and I haven't spoken to my sister in 28 years. I have attempted suicide at least a dozen times with tablets, alcohol and reckless driving on the list. My current situation is I am mowing lawns to pay bills and not much more. I'm so tired of who I am and my fractured existence
Hi toymotorlux - I hope you are still with us. I want to express my sympathy for your suffering. My twin (55) has ODD complicated with other conditions. He was never diagnosed and has had no life to speak of. I am trying to help him now before his complex condition and the subsequent chronic neglect of his health takes him too early - although sometimes I think maybe that letting him be might the compassionate thing to do. Best of luck to you and your future.
Growing up with a sister with this I learned that I can't trust her with personal or private information, she would always use it against me. Don't even bother with a physical diary or journal, even if it's locked, they'll break into it. Make one on your computer with a password or on a website. Pick your battles, most arguments are just not worth it. Tell them to look things up online, thank God for the Internet. Growing up without it was a pain in the butt with someone with ODD who will make the most ridiculous claims and statements and refuse to believe otherwise!
Man you nailed it. I'm 29, and I over came ODD long ago, but I have ADHD and as a kid, these two "disabilities" ruined my childhood once we were adopted by foster parents who couldn't properly foster. My 30y.o brother and I don't speak because his ODD is in adult stage and he won't allow any advice or criticism from his 29 y.o bro and he gets into a rage and is jealous of my success and demonizes me for having it. Hopefully with your work Doctor, I can shed insight on this matter. Thanks and God bless.
Excellent info on adult ODD. I live with an adult "child" for 30 years. I hope someday he can become enlightened to his unresolved conflicts from childhood and "grow up" to be less self centered and oppositional. (I am not holding my breath since he is now 60 yrs old.) I know he had a difficult childhood. We all have baggage. Now I have to find a way to disengage myself from the power struggles. I am tired of getting angry and hurt. I can't change him. I have to work on me. Thanks Doc.
That's the exact opposite of what the video teaches. you need group therapy. Mostly because you speak like the first 30 years were fine, then from age 30 to 60 he has acted like a "child". Why does he have to change? would you tell an amputee to grow legs? would you tell someone with downs syndrome to act "normal"? would you tell someone with tourette syndrome to stop swearing?? i think you might be the problem trying to control him, you tried for 30 years and it didn't work, maybe try accepting him for who he is and loving him?????
@@CannabisJones So basically we have to coddle these ppl. A developmental disability like down syndrom isnt like ODD. For ODD, the person fights treatment and diagnosis and refuses help BUT put everyone else through hell I have lived with a person like this for 10years and have done everything i could to be understanding. Every attempt to fix things was seen as "controlling" or "defensive" on their part. What I understood is that ppl with ODD will destroy the very fiber of your being and corner you to fight you for anything. Its not about the argument, its about winning. I live with someone who cant even listen to me speak for a max of 40 seconds, I timed it....They have to interrupt and argue. Cant listen to a whole point and without even knowing the point they are ready to argue it down....its ridiculous and debilitating especially when they argue that nothing is wrong with them and its the system that has a problem and adhd and odd are not real
worked with a middle aged woman who i think had this...she was polite, in a kind of superficial way, like it was a fake front of her behavior....but right beneath the surface, she would get a tone of argumentativeness or passive aggressive behavior...it was weird, like onetime she passive aggressively corrected me about how i said Quetzalcoatl...as i said it...an example of how seemingly dumb her behavior was, like really who cares about stuff like that, the pronunciation of an old god..
My sister was diagnosed with this as a child and it manfested itself as an adult into bpd. It was a bitch growing up with her. And therapy was not readily available in the 80's. She was very abusive and did horrible things. It is a serious mental illness. Wish i knew as much about it then as i do now. Thank you for this video
I feel for you my abusive mother has this . i am sick of dealing with her. i cant wait to get away from her again. She is impossible to deal with. I met a guy and found out he has ADHD and hes not angry but he wont listen to anything i say and just argues with me and does the exact opposite of what i say just because. And he wonders why i dont want to be around him and broke up with him.
I know it's hard. The only thing you can do to live a happier life is to stay away from alcohol, tobacco, and all other drugs, pot included. Caffeine is actually helpful, but the other drugs like alcohol and pot will make your odd far worse.
My daughter was diagnosed with this as a young child.It was very difficult trying to deal with her behavior.Sh`e almost 30 yrs old now and the symptoms have not only continued but have become even worse.It is always putting a huge strain on our relationship.Instead of treating me and respecting me as her mother,she talks/preaches/argues with me as if I`m a distant stranger or a neighbor,etc.Hurting my feelings screaming false diagnoses of ME and MY faults is all too common.Blames me 4 everything
babbles45 I can relate. My daughter finally cut me off when I told her that she was not welcome in my home until she could treat me with respect. After ruining two holidays in a row, I am relieved to be rid of her. She was making me ill.
Power dictates what's right and what's wrong. You as the adult have the sense of being the power because you were responsible for her for 18 years. I notice your comment is all about what she did to you, how it affected you, and yet you blame it on her. So maybe she got blaming others from you.
Living with an adult with ODD for 18yrs. The longest relationship he's ever had (me too) I'm about to break. He loves me. I love him. He has a job. He's a good man. But he makes life difficult is an understatement.
Thank you so much for making this video. You've really helped me realize what I need to do to help my husband. Therapy! and lots of it! I hope it works for our 5 year old daughters sake and our marriage, he is my soulmate!
Our sons behaviours became apparant at 9 months when his sibling arrived. Our fault hindsight we took his babyhood. His negative behaviours escalated with him trying to hurt the baby so we moved bub into his big sisters room. We sought help, God did we seek help. We had specialists tell us to remove his bedroom bar mattress, for discipline. Specialists encouraging we ignore his behaviours, throwing his plate of food across the room, kicking thr table at meals etc the more negative a behaviour the better! We tried and thr other siblings thought if it were ok for him etc He didnt fit in school, setting fires, lying, leaving school (socio/physcopath?) Finally behavioural place told us he had serious problems no kidding he wld shut his siblings fingers in doors, knives n matches under his bed hidden, etc We asked for help the lists of wait times were too long. Looking back we have a lot to answer for, we did discipline smacking, he even wrote to his school assembly how we were abusive :( but we cld not get help and felt we did the best we cld. Now an adult he still acts like a child and fits in nowhere. Its bloody awful to watch.
My son is 18 now and as far back as I can remember it always felt like he hated me if I try to show him affection he freaked out but his father could show him affection after our divorce I kind of figured that he was better off with his dad your dad could say the grass is green and he would agree if I said the grass was green I have 101 reasons why I'm dumb and the grass isn't green so I took my other children with me and left him with his Dad we had shared custody but he resided with his father because apparently I don't know what I'm doing with him now that he is older I feel like I have missed out on so much of my child it kills me how do I redeem my relationship with my child who is now a man I've tried everything and looked into everything for years I'm not an argumentative person so I shut down when he starts to argue which in his words makes me weak I don't know what to do
I have adhd and odd. I don't speak to my mum because she's always negative and makes me extremely frustrated. When I read your story I feel I understand what you're going through but also how your son feels. There's not much I can say to help but just somehow make sure your son knows you love him. Don't be too involved unless he wants this. I'm 31 I've been married for 7 years and have a 3 year old girl. I'm trying very hard to be the dad I know she needs. It's so hard. I only ever think/worry about myself. According to my wife. I know she's right I'm also doing a behavioural change program that has helped tremendously. Pls let me know how you go
Sorry I should also mention I don't hate my mum I just can't stand her. I know that sounds horrible bit I do love my mum. I only met my dad in Greece in 2017 and was extremely let down. Found out the fucker has 10 kids from many different ladies all around the world. What a sad sack of a man. Yet I'm just like him it's so frustrating!
I don't understand why this would only be a diagnosis in children and teens. I've been watching a lot of videos and attending therapy, and ODD is the first thing that makes any sense but I'm well past being a teenager.
I have an ODD son who is now 20 and my life has become a living hell. I tried everything when he was younger and compliant. Therapy therapy therapy, testing, psychological evals and he has only gotten worse. Some days I just want to run away and let the police remove him but I know that would ONLY make things worse 😭😭 I’m almost 62 now and in horrible health and worry more abt his future than my death.
My therapist believes I have ODD because of how I feel about finding a job. I explained to her that I don't want to alter my schedule to follow some orders from some employer who only sees me as labor to pay, and not as an individual. I do generally dislike authority, and yes, I can be argumentative, that's also part of the reason why I'm an anarchist. Lol. I also looked up ergophobia, which is either fear of work, or fear of employment, and that seems to check out with me too in some ways.
This is purely my opinion and I could very well be wrong, but I think children with ODD grow up to have a lot of NPD traits or sociopathy. The disorder in itself and how it manifests, is like “childhood NPD” if there is anything like that. The difference is that unfortunately children aren’t permitted to make their own decisions so their parents/guardian have the tough time. It’s also my opinion that they do not want to be “normal” but they want/expect to still be loved and accept with their behaviour. Hopefully no one has to deal with anyone like that. Also, they hardly change or do better even with therapy. It’s an unfortunate mental disorder that affects them and the people around them.
I agree with you between ODD and NPD and how they want to be accepted but the irony is that they don't accept themselves that's why there are many convert- vulnerable narcissist masking their true self with alcohol and substance abuse but it always peaks out just pay enough attention and you will see.....
Hi, I know this comment is 9+ months old but I just wanted to drop a comment. My 10 year old has ODD. It's difficult but he's doing well and we're working on things. Now, obviously it's not your responsibility or anything but maybe you could be a positive influence? It would mean a whole lot to a little boy who probably feels alone. My son felt that way and I've done everything I could to help him. It's just hard for children to deal with. Good luck. I hope he's doing well. ❤️
My mom left my dad for a year and moved away with us kids but after my mom saying “he changed” we’re going back. Lasted maybe 3 days and back to all nighters dad keeping my mom awake with his barrages of why she is so stupid etc etc. physical abuse with a month or two. I have been trying to figure out why she took it except she said she was afraid for us kids.
Thank you! This is a topic that is not acknowledged enough. Many families, schools, spouses, society must deal with people that seem impossible, irrational, or both. There is no obvious solution and the chaos never stops....ever. The people with ODD seem to not respond to the same techniques or motivators as others. It helps when clear boundaries are set and consequences follow immediately when line is crossed. However, we must first understand and discuss the reason for the decision flow.
I was diagnosed with ODD as a teen when I was 14 and I came here and after that everybody was just starting to go all military on me like they were trying to train me to behave or something I didn’t like it it made me rebel even more
I dont like to be oppositional, but why do we being ODD as a complete negative? Surely ODD enables people to question and call out when people in power are full of crap, and not being shy of people in powerful positions.
Is it possible to be self aware of such a disorder or is it comparable to narcissism where the person is incapable of seeing themselves as a problem until everyone around them puts up a wall telling them they need help?
I'm convinced my wife of 40 years has this. I don't give her enough reasons to hate me. Her seething rage, defiance of me, disrespect of me is daily and palpable. She is just a very angry person. I don't know what to do.
LSD Helped me feel an immense love for the world and with meditation and a shit load of weed I was able to relax. I also deal with ODD and high stress environments such as caretaking to the point of life&death choices for my mother. So I have a good reason to need to calm down ALOT. I believe MICRO dosing could help many with this issue we share. Stay safe everyone; you breathing is you best starting point remember that in a rage.
Hi Lon. I was hoping that I could have a chat to you. My son has what I believe to be ODD and I could really use some insight about how he is feeling and also how I can help him. Please contact me
I worked with an "adult" this week who contradicts everything said, and is very negative. It's like watching a 2 year old in an adult body. Fortunately her role is my life is very temporary. My sympathies are for anyone who is stuck with her for a longer period. I know the DSM and all its permutations is unscientific. Supposed "illnesses" are decided upon by committees of committees, and its true purpose is to provide billing codes - $$$$. But there are people who have entrenched issues and who are a pain in the ass to deal with. When it clicked that the "adult" I was dealing with this week was defiant and oppositional, it became easier to think of ways to manage her behavior and keep my peace of mind. Coworkers cannot be chosen, but they can be managed.
I wish there were more information on helping an adult/young adult with ODD. My granddaughter has it and it seems to run in the family. She has a 3 year old and unfortunately he has no say in her bad choices. The good news is that she has an appointment with a therapist and we hope he can help. It's difficult for us to not enable her (which we have done in the past) and still support her. Any words of wisdom for us?
Read The 4 Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin. She identifies The Rebel and you may gain insight and help her too. My son is a rebel. So infuriating. Big sigh!
Where can i find a support group to help me with my 30 year old daughter? She recently moved in with me and she is ODD. Very subside, swears at me like a sailor. In the Detroit area please.
Technically speaking, ODD is a condition of childhood, so you most likely won't find any support groups under that sort of description. The closest thing would be codependency support groups. A web search on those in your area should be productive.
Dr. Sutton, What an awesome video!! The baby boomers did not have as wide spread diagnosis and treatment options and children of today have. Adult ODD, I feel, is troubling many undiagnosed adults today. My husband and I are in support groups, and ODD is very obvious as a center problem. Please give us more of your work on this. Thanks!!!
I think you are over defining the condition. I think the condition really is when someone always immediately disagrees with what you say. They always have a better way to do what you suggest. They always temper what you say. They never accept anything outright. They always have the immediate reaction to say no when confronted with a yes no question. The reason I have an interest is that I am a lawyer and as I had the condition described to me it became apparent to me that many lawyers have the condition. And they see it as a strength when in fact it is a weakness.
My child is 11 and just been diagnosed with ODD could someone please tell me what it's like having ODD, feelings thoughts etc I'm just interested to understand what's going through my child's head
I love this. I have a bf and realize he’s pretty defiant and realized he has all symptoms. I’m going to try the prediction method. Smoking weed all day doesn’t help either😭 thank you so much for this
@@2degucitas he’s smoking weed and he’s trying to stop, but this defiance and irritability is making me crazy. I just need to learn how to respond to it.
If he is actually slowing, remember that withdrawal is the opposite of effect in many cases. So if it makes him happy and or calm, you might get the opposite with abstinence. Dry vaporizing flower might be a method of controlling which chemicals he is getting, and how much at one time. Word to the wise- try it first that day. Smoking is very powerful, you take in so much in so little time. If you've smoked that day you may not notice the effect of vaping as much. Also, dry flower vaporizers tend to not filter enough, meaning solids can get through the tool. Might be a thought if abstinence isn't a good way for him to quit. Stay away from carts. You don't even know what you're taking in with that stuff. Wax is even more powerful, and I feel more addictive. First thing though is he has to want change. If he's happy being stoned from rising to sleeping, he might not be ready to change anything. Also, he's probably got symptoms of numerous disorders. Most people do, from what I'm seeing in these diagnostics. Not a doctor, by the way. Just a citizen trying to figure themselves out.
I have ADHD and went through foster homes as a child, it wasn’t until recently that I have been told that ODD was suggested as to what I have as a child, but I still don’t understand if I am legitimately being fair when I take up for myself or if I am being defiant.
I was diagnosed with ODD as a child, along with ADHD and Asperger's. I'm 35 now and living on my own, but my mother sometimes still believes I never outgrew my ODD because I don't always listen to her, despite the fact that she no longer has authority over me since I have my own place. Additionally, I'm never combative with other authority figures in my life (e.g.: the pastor at my church). Also, my psychiatrist doesn't think I have ODD either. Does anyone have any input for me?
im sorry, what is the difference in temperament & psychological disposition? are they not one & the same? does not an "argumentative temperament" stem from somewhere?
I stayed with my ex for 15 yrs who I swear has ODD. I couldn't hold him accountable for anything. From my understanding ODD is a hereditary trait too. I see it in my daughter too who tends to get upset when people look at her when she gets in trouble. She has an inability to relugate herself much like her daddy. It's very hard to deal with sometimes but having him out of the house is helping. Back to my original point here I've heard stories of my ex's dad about his angery outbursts and lack of responsibility, I've witnessed the same in my ex, and now I'm seeing the behavior manifest in my daughter not necessarily violence but: oppositional, defiant, deflective, and careless. I'll do my best to help her with the advice I get umtil I can get her into counseling. Who knows, maybe it's just ADHD which runs on my family's side. Thank you so much for the information and God bless!!
What do you do if the person feels like they shouldn't change and they know they are hurting people? Like they feel it's part of their identity of who they are.
I have ODD, and i have isolated myself from the world. I keep moving from job to job, getting in trouble with the law. Defying judges , not paying fines, getting arrested. However i pretend not to care about it, i just keep it going waiting for death, when this problems will end
My son was diagnosed with ODD and I am trying to be open minded about it, but I just don't think he has it. He's not a tantrum thrower , never has been, in fact he's much more likely to get sad over something than angry. He got into some trouble with the law but I think it came from him being isolated for too long, having no real friends except the ones he meets online. He was upset when he broke the law but I think he was more depressed than anything else. He used to be the class clown and considered gifted and talented but he got so anxious about school in general that he dropped out. He won't live with me because I have mental health issues but so does he, he is very stubborn and won't listen to adults. He is almost an adult himself now and i worry about him, I think he has ADD and is very impulsive but like I say, just not a hot head as I hear ODD described by "experts" online.
+Damon Hoppe Thats not ODD. Thats NORMAL. Ofcourse racism and mysogony should anger people. Some people are just more passionate about it and therefore more angry. Lots of people get arrested over stuff like that such as activists. If it was un-called for and you were just starting fights with people for no reason, THAT would be a problem. People with ODD cause trouble out of spite. Not out of something justified.
I have been told I must have Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD)or some other similar personality disorder that prevents me from fitting in and even holding down a job. I have nearly been arrested several times because of it. The moment someone starts being a racist or misogynist I cant stop myself getting angry. Not only do I blatantly refuse to participate in racist and misogynist discourse but I defy and oppose them. It makes me feel physically sick and I am unable to calm down for days. I find myself ranting and shouting out about how much I hate racists, etc. I even attempt to protest or stop the racists in some way but this gets me in trouble with the police. I know that Mental illness is a 'deviation from a social norm'. racism, etc is a social norm where I live so I must be unwell. Rather than changing my attitudes and behavior and becoming a well groomed racist I just blame them. I tell them their is no biological basis of race in direct defiance of authority. When they turn me down for a job because they have racist attitudes I blame their racist attitudes rather than accepting the fault must lie with me. I am deeply delusional and seem to be convinced that if I defy and oppose them enough they will be stopped. I desperately want to fit in but my ODD is destroying my life. I don't want to leave the house or speak to people. When I do it is so distressing it take me days to recover.
+Damon Hoppe Defying racism and misogyny is a good thing. Waiting for every person around you to mess up and prove they are bigotted is a time bomb waiting to go off and only YOU can control it. The habit of respecting superiors is a good one to develop. Biting your tongue will be a necessity. You have to learn it. You don't have to be a tough guy running to the rescue all the time.
+2degucitas thank for your response. being accused of odd by people does not mean I have the disorder just that the category is so open to interpretation and therefore abuse. I could equally claim that "normal" people have an antisocial personality disorder. I would assert that it is the duty of all rational beings to uphold morality and reason against the moral turpidude and irrationalism of our masters ie Kants categorical imperative. the simple fact that our masters can find a willing servant who will carry out thier immoral orders means that speaking truth to power is a form of self harm in that it only serves to cause us harm. the racist are firmly in control of not just corporations but our public institutions. the reality of this situation depresses me. depression their is yet another label that is used to make reason a mental illness. what kind of person can witness injustice etc and not be depressed by their powerlessness.
my husband has odd and i always wondered why he and his family didnt know right from wrong and always went out of their way to be very spiteful and were always full of revenge over the slightest little thing. it wasnt until my daughter was diagnosed with it that i realised why they all behaved in such a strange way and their way of thinking is totally different to every one elses. to live with some one who has odd makes me very unhappy
Clever! Awesome! Also can see you being a huge pain if this type of thinking is used to be in average thinkers' faces instead of calming yourself down to not react in a self-harming way when encountering bigotry that you can't change. Which would harm yourself.
Oh my God, seeing the comments... When I was a teen those situations had been my dreaded fears that I really know is coming and I don't know how to deal with it and any way out, even thinking that rather than hurting others I'd rather end myself already but circumstances made me still want to live, like keeping my sister and mother safe and helping them out, despite my mind wanting to end it all up already. Well, thanks for this video, it showed me the silver lining
Looking some information on English language because I speak Spanish and I find this.. I’m a mommy with an adult son with this condition and it’s really hard, I’m desesperate.
I don’t understand if it’s not curable how come these children with a dog grow up into adults and or called the same? Because I know several people that act this very way. It’s quite disturbing and they are impossible.
Oh my goodness, if you haven't already, please leave him! There are so many people in the world to share live and life w, the kind who would care if you were missing. Even if it takes you a while to find them, better to have peace and quiet in solitude. Please take care of yourself.
Helen Richardson I'm having this same issue with my fiance. What's worse is my now 10 year old son was diagnosed at age 4 with ODD & ADHD & it's heartbreaking because I know his therapy can help him dramatically now, but unfortunately, my fiance acts just like my ODD son.
i’m sure this guy I was dating has ODD when i confronted him just on the topic of autism he withdrew I could have reached out but i’m read watching info bc I think i dodged a bullet I know my curiosity can get the best of me ... any tips ??
Bro this legit just happened to me last night with my bf who has ODD. I'm autistic so I was just pointing out similarities I found between him and I that more or less point to him being on the spectrum. That's what finally lead me to educate myself and watch this video. I couldnt understand why he got so upset at me. I still don't know what I'm going to do really. It was slightly relieving to stumble across your comment even though I know its 8+ months old.
I see alot of similarities I'm said by the doctor to have adhd and "autism" and o.d.d my brother also has adhd , o.c.d and o.d.d I see so many similarities My dad's abusive so My brother repetitive behavior, and trouble with socializing I'm better at picking up social cues due to thearpy and my brother misses social cues constantly and gets angery when I point them out.
This can be very difficult in the family when the person is an "in-law" relationship. If that person also suffers from being raised in a focus of social environments less than 300 people it often remains expressed in very infantile mannerisms that are difficult to change. Not many people stop to correct other people's children in very small populations. Especially not in the early 1960's when it's 20 degrees below zero.!
If you know any one with odd my advice is to stay well clear of them. They make your life miserable. They never say sorry, always think they are right and never do anything wrong, hold pointless conversations repeating the same sentences over and over again saying bad things about other people, make you feel worthless, and have nothing in their heads unless it is copied from some one else. keep away they ruin your life and they are no fun to be around, life is too short to spend it with a person with odd
Unfortunately ur right. I have tears in my eyes as I type this. My 18 yr old has it. It’s not his fault...he can’t help it. But he is impossible to live around. So I feel I will have to stay away from him. Limiting association with him for a condition he has no control of is hard to swallow. I can see in his eyes he hurts everyday. He hates having ODD. It’s so unfair.
Do people with ODD (adults) deal with high anxiety? My dad has ADD, major anxiety and what I believe is ODD. He's like a 74 year old child, most of the time. He needles my mom, he cuts in line, he goes down one way streets, he enters doors that say "do not enter" or "personnel only". 😢 It is so odd! (Pun intended!😅) I love my dad so much, but I can't be around him long. I'm no longer friends with him on Facebook because he makes comments on family posts that are taken as insulting but there's a sliver of a way it can be taken good or as nothing at all. It's tricky! Like he means it as a derogatory comment but it has this back door escape hatch or get out of jail free door where he can deny any wrongdoing or intentional hurt! Maddening!!!! He will apologize, say things like "Oh...that must have been embarrassing..." apologize and then he will DO IT AGAIN! 😂😂😂
what if the guy had before always been choosing his worst thinking brain to get where he is now... but now been given a choice to change it all .. by now choosing the best brain...did anyone ever think of that...
I can't keep a job or a relationship.. I've had 38 jobs, often ending in a physical or verbal altercation with the supervisor, owner, or superintendent. Relationships. I resonate with the passive aggressive personality disorder. I can't keep a job to get insurance to get an actual diagnosis and professional help. I'm often barely making it because I can't keep a job. But outside of that I am very very mellow and really avoid people
I'm here as a civilian to learn and try and figure out a little of what I might have in the several months until my appointments. I just want to point out, that the facts the way you laid them out(about 7 minutes in, theoretically speaking to the patient), to a personality like mine, sounds not like you're looking to make them draw a conclusion, but trying to start an argument. Is this tack intended to get a rise out of an aggressive person? Because I think it would.
If I could have children. I would want them beutiful so beutifull that the world would stand still in watching such beutifull children I would want money so much to buy them a rich future I would want them with the peace of mind of a Ghandi or a Buddah And so intellegent that an Einstien would want an autograph Ugly boy I was called stupid by everyone fat no friends sad childhood sad life sad job a suicidal future I decided not to marry or have children I can't give a relationship to a woman love is unknown to me nor close relationship of any kind no friends I distrust them totally the world is an alien planet to me Where were you God ? when it all began. forgive me but I don't know your world . You are my Lord but I don't know your children nor interested in knowing them. Sorry but I have known hell and still there release me so I can be free so that the world would be mine
Another self proclaimed doctor expert.... As, a trial lawyer It amazes me how people will take as gospel truth what someone who has a doctorate proclaims is the truth....
thank you sir.
ODD in adults is a fact. it's a shame so few professionals have addressed this.
stormofshadow dealing with this. Any idea how long and adult with odd stays mad, after a fight, or what I can do if I haven’t heard from him?
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It's so interesting that a child could ever be diagnosed with something that an adult can not be, as if to say that upon their 18th birthday a veil is magically lifted and they are healed.
no. it's that ODD is something that happens in childhood and if not properly treated, evolves into other disorders, likely borderline or antisocial personality disorder.
yay im healed
@@s0yjuice How did you heal it? It's really a problem for me. It's also amazing how professional talk about this as some kind of egocentric and childlike attitude/problem. This problem do more harm to me than to others, and I know it's related to the way my mother treated me.. It's like you want to look strong to avoid shame but inside you feel a mess.
@@s0yjuice was it sarcasm?
It starts as a child. If you don’t get a diagnosis then which I did, and I tried my best to follow everything that was suggested to me and just failed
I saw this video years ago whilst in a relationship with a man who had ODD. He REFUSED to seek help, and I quietly left him. I just couldn't suffer anymore. It's sad that he saw that something was wrong but refused to make a change.
I've got ODD and ADHD that has been crippling my life since I was a child. ODD goes far far deeper than just being petulant and contrary. You fight with yourself every day with ODD.
I just made food and then raged cause it tasted different than I expected and now I'm smoking a joint to calm down.
I fuckin feeeeel it 🤷♂️
Read The 4 Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin.
You may be The Rebel and you can get some insight from her work.
Jesus saves
Thanks for insight brother I'm looking for advice, my little brother is 6 and has odd and I see him go through violent arguments and hell hit ppl and then yell and scream and everything but I would like to know how I can handle these situations to improve his mental stability/health and help him
I went on a date with someone like this
He loved arguing I called an Uber
Yes it's the oppositional stands they take that can really drive you insane. They're quick to point out others errors, but have very little ability to reflect on their own behaviors and life choices.
I'm 48 years old with ODD that I self diagnosed about 3 years ago. My sister doesn't know she has it, she's 50, and my father battled with it all his life (deceased). I have lost so many jobs because of this. Some jobs lasted up to 5 years, most less than 6 months and the rest days or weeks. Most jobs ended in a shouting match with an employer and either me storming out or being escorted from the building. I treat people I worked with and my family and the few "friends" I have with anger and contempt if they didn't do or say what I want.
I never had many friends at school, would rather do afternoon detention than school work
I chose to remain single and no have kids because even in my teens I knew I wasn't "normal" and didn't want kids with the same messed up brain. I have relationship problems with my mother and I haven't spoken to my sister in 28 years.
I have attempted suicide at least a dozen times with tablets, alcohol and reckless driving on the list.
My current situation is I am mowing lawns to pay bills and not much more. I'm so tired of who I am and my fractured existence
can you control being confrontational?
Seek treatment ASAP!
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Hi toymotorlux - I hope you are still with us. I want to express my sympathy for your suffering. My twin (55) has ODD complicated with other conditions. He was never diagnosed and has had no life to speak of. I am trying to help him now before his complex condition and the subsequent chronic neglect of his health takes him too early - although sometimes I think maybe that letting him be might the compassionate thing to do. Best of luck to you and your future.
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Growing up with a sister with this I learned that I can't trust her with personal or private information, she would always use it against me. Don't even bother with a physical diary or journal, even if it's locked, they'll break into it. Make one on your computer with a password or on a website. Pick your battles, most arguments are just not worth it. Tell them to look things up online, thank God for the Internet. Growing up without it was a pain in the butt with someone with ODD who will make the most ridiculous claims and statements and refuse to believe otherwise!
Man you nailed it.
I'm 29, and I over came ODD long ago, but I have ADHD and as a kid, these two "disabilities" ruined my childhood once we were adopted by foster parents who couldn't properly foster. My 30y.o brother and I don't speak because his ODD is in adult stage and he won't allow any advice or criticism from his 29 y.o bro and he gets into a rage and is jealous of my success and demonizes me for having it. Hopefully with your work Doctor, I can shed insight on this matter. Thanks and God bless.
Please help tell me how you overcame . I too am 30 diagnosed as a kid , ruining my life . Thanks
Look into Dr. Ted Broer's work in food coloring.
Excellent info on adult ODD. I live with an adult "child" for 30 years. I hope someday he can become enlightened to his unresolved conflicts from childhood and "grow up" to be less self centered and oppositional. (I am not holding my breath since he is now 60 yrs old.) I know he had a difficult childhood. We all have baggage. Now I have to find a way to disengage myself from the power struggles. I am tired of getting angry and hurt. I can't change him. I have to work on me. Thanks Doc.
Why did you have to live with an adult "child" for 30 years? Why did you have to live a life like that?
That's the exact opposite of what the video teaches. you need group therapy. Mostly because you speak like the first 30 years were fine, then from age 30 to 60 he has acted like a "child". Why does he have to change? would you tell an amputee to grow legs? would you tell someone with downs syndrome to act "normal"? would you tell someone with tourette syndrome to stop swearing?? i think you might be the problem trying to control him, you tried for 30 years and it didn't work, maybe try accepting him for who he is and loving him?????
@@CannabisJones So basically we have to coddle these ppl. A developmental disability like down syndrom isnt like ODD. For ODD, the person fights treatment and diagnosis and refuses help BUT put everyone else through hell
I have lived with a person like this for 10years and have done everything i could to be understanding. Every attempt to fix things was seen as "controlling" or "defensive" on their part. What I understood is that ppl with ODD will destroy the very fiber of your being and corner you to fight you for anything. Its not about the argument, its about winning. I live with someone who cant even listen to me speak for a max of 40 seconds, I timed it....They have to interrupt and argue. Cant listen to a whole point and without even knowing the point they are ready to argue it down....its ridiculous and debilitating especially when they argue that nothing is wrong with them and its the system that has a problem and adhd and odd are not real
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worked with a middle aged woman who i think had this...she was polite, in a kind of superficial way, like it was a fake front of her behavior....but right beneath the surface, she would get a tone of argumentativeness or passive aggressive behavior...it was weird, like onetime she passive aggressively corrected me about how i said Quetzalcoatl...as i said it...an example of how seemingly dumb her behavior was, like really who cares about stuff like that, the pronunciation of an old god..
My sister was diagnosed with this as a child and it manfested itself as an adult into bpd. It was a bitch growing up with her. And therapy was not readily available in the 80's. She was very abusive and did horrible things. It is a serious mental illness. Wish i knew as much about it then as i do now. Thank you for this video
I feel for you my abusive mother has this . i am sick of dealing with her. i cant wait to get away from her again. She is impossible to deal with. I met a guy and found out he has ADHD and hes not angry but he wont listen to anything i say and just argues with me and does the exact opposite of what i say just because. And he wonders why i dont want to be around him and broke up with him.
Im 20 years old and i have odd its really difficult to fight your own everyday
I know it's hard. The only thing you can do to live a happier life is to stay away from alcohol, tobacco, and all other drugs, pot included. Caffeine is actually helpful, but the other drugs like alcohol and pot will make your odd far worse.
My husband is ODD and it has damaged our relationship.
My daughter was diagnosed with this as a young child.It was very difficult trying to deal with her behavior.Sh`e almost 30 yrs old now and the symptoms have not only continued but have become even worse.It is always putting a huge strain on our relationship.Instead of treating me and respecting me as her mother,she talks/preaches/argues with me as if I`m a distant stranger or a neighbor,etc.Hurting my feelings screaming false diagnoses of ME and MY faults is all too common.Blames me 4 everything
babbles45 I can relate. My daughter finally cut me off when I told her that she was not welcome in my home until she could treat me with respect. After ruining two holidays in a row, I am relieved to be rid of her. She was making me ill.
Seems like borderline to me.
Power dictates what's right and what's wrong. You as the adult have the sense of being the power because you were responsible for her for 18 years. I notice your comment is all about what she did to you, how it affected you, and yet you blame it on her. So maybe she got blaming others from you.
Forgive her to her face. Every time. Offer hugs instead of defending yourself. See what happens.
If my mom wrote comments like this about me on the internet I’d probably treat her as a distant stranger as well
Living with an adult with ODD for 18yrs. The longest relationship he's ever had (me too) I'm about to break. He loves me. I love him. He has a job. He's a good man. But he makes life difficult is an understatement.
Thank you so much for making this video. You've really helped me realize what I need to do to help my husband. Therapy! and lots of it! I hope it works for our 5 year old daughters sake and our marriage, he is my soulmate!
Our sons behaviours became apparant at 9 months when his sibling arrived. Our fault hindsight we took his babyhood. His negative behaviours escalated with him trying to hurt the baby so we moved bub into his big sisters room. We sought help, God did we seek help. We had specialists tell us to remove his bedroom bar mattress, for discipline. Specialists encouraging we ignore his behaviours, throwing his plate of food across the room, kicking thr table at meals etc the more negative a behaviour the better! We tried and thr other siblings thought if it were ok for him etc
He didnt fit in school, setting fires, lying, leaving school (socio/physcopath?) Finally behavioural place told us he had serious problems no kidding he wld shut his siblings fingers in doors, knives n matches under his bed hidden, etc We asked for help the lists of wait times were too long. Looking back we have a lot to answer for, we did discipline smacking, he even wrote to his school assembly how we were abusive :( but we cld not get help and felt we did the best we cld. Now an adult he still acts like a child and fits in nowhere. Its bloody awful to watch.
thats not O.D.D.
That doesn't sound like ODD that sounds like antisocial personality disorder.
My son is 18 now and as far back as I can remember it always felt like he hated me if I try to show him affection he freaked out but his father could show him affection after our divorce I kind of figured that he was better off with his dad your dad could say the grass is green and he would agree if I said the grass was green I have 101 reasons why I'm dumb and the grass isn't green so I took my other children with me and left him with his Dad we had shared custody but he resided with his father because apparently I don't know what I'm doing with him now that he is older I feel like I have missed out on so much of my child it kills me how do I redeem my relationship with my child who is now a man I've tried everything and looked into everything for years I'm not an argumentative person so I shut down when he starts to argue which in his words makes me weak I don't know what to do
I have adhd and odd.
I don't speak to my mum because she's always negative and makes me extremely frustrated.
When I read your story I feel I understand what you're going through but also how your son feels.
There's not much I can say to help but just somehow make sure your son knows you love him. Don't be too involved unless he wants this.
I'm 31 I've been married for 7 years and have a 3 year old girl.
I'm trying very hard to be the dad I know she needs. It's so hard. I only ever think/worry about myself. According to my wife. I know she's right I'm also doing a behavioural change program that has helped tremendously.
Pls let me know how you go
Sorry I should also mention I don't hate my mum I just can't stand her. I know that sounds horrible bit I do love my mum.
I only met my dad in Greece in 2017 and was extremely let down. Found out the fucker has 10 kids from many different ladies all around the world. What a sad sack of a man.
Yet I'm just like him it's so frustrating!
I don't understand why this would only be a diagnosis in children and teens. I've been watching a lot of videos and attending therapy, and ODD is the first thing that makes any sense but I'm well past being a teenager.
I have an ODD son who is now 20 and my life has become a living hell. I tried everything when he was younger and compliant. Therapy therapy therapy, testing, psychological evals and he has only gotten worse. Some days I just want to run away and let the police remove him but I know that would ONLY make things worse 😭😭 I’m almost 62 now and in horrible health and worry more abt his future than my death.
How are you doing now? I fear he will end ip in jail. Only then will you get some peace, which you deserve.
ultimately it comes down to people that can't handle not having control and power.
Bull
That’s why I don’t have kids. Problem prevented!
A million good reasons to not have them!
My therapist believes I have ODD because of how I feel about finding a job. I explained to her that I don't want to alter my schedule to follow some orders from some employer who only sees me as labor to pay, and not as an individual. I do generally dislike authority, and yes, I can be argumentative, that's also part of the reason why I'm an anarchist. Lol.
I also looked up ergophobia, which is either fear of work, or fear of employment, and that seems to check out with me too in some ways.
@@richard1311 Very interesting.
@@richard1311 I want to make music.
Get a job
@@DisobeyZOG I've had them before. Every time I had them I wanted to delete myself.
@@comradefreedom8275 ok, well unless you’re a trust fund kid you’re going to need to be able to support yourself financially
This is purely my opinion and I could very well be wrong, but I think children with ODD grow up to have a lot of NPD traits or sociopathy.
The disorder in itself and how it manifests, is like “childhood NPD” if there is anything like that.
The difference is that unfortunately children aren’t permitted to make their own decisions so their parents/guardian have the tough time.
It’s also my opinion that they do not want to be “normal” but they want/expect to still be loved and accept with their behaviour.
Hopefully no one has to deal with anyone like that. Also, they hardly change or do better even with therapy.
It’s an unfortunate mental disorder that affects them and the people around them.
Are you saying that ODD in adulthood is actually NPD?
I agree with you between ODD and NPD and how they want to be accepted but the irony is that they don't accept themselves that's why there are many convert- vulnerable narcissist masking their true self with alcohol and substance abuse but it always peaks out just pay enough attention and you will see.....
My nephew has bad ODD and im scared of how he will be when he grows up hes only 8
Hi, I know this comment is 9+ months old but I just wanted to drop a comment. My 10 year old has ODD. It's difficult but he's doing well and we're working on things. Now, obviously it's not your responsibility or anything but maybe you could be a positive influence? It would mean a whole lot to a little boy who probably feels alone. My son felt that way and I've done everything I could to help him. It's just hard for children to deal with. Good luck. I hope he's doing well. ❤️
Ok treating him like a monster isn't going to solve the problem.
Surely it's not just parental abuse. What if the child is being sent to school and being bullied by children and scorned by teachers?
The Misanthrope Channel our teachers bullied him terribly and mainly because they cld not control. Him
It’s not by parental abuse at all!!!!!
what if it's both?
It's not, it's literally a disorder and it's not trauma related.
My mom left my dad for a year and moved away with us kids but after my mom saying “he changed” we’re going back. Lasted maybe 3 days and back to all nighters dad keeping my mom awake with his barrages of why she is so stupid etc etc. physical abuse with a month or two. I have been trying to figure out why she took it except she said she was afraid for us kids.
Thank you! This is a topic that is not acknowledged enough. Many families, schools, spouses, society must deal with people that seem impossible, irrational, or both. There is no obvious solution and the chaos never stops....ever. The people with ODD seem to not respond to the same techniques or motivators as others. It helps when clear boundaries are set and consequences follow immediately when line is crossed. However, we must first understand and discuss the reason for the decision flow.
I was diagnosed with ODD as a teen when I was 14 and I came here and after that everybody was just starting to go all military on me like they were trying to train me to behave or something I didn’t like it it made me rebel even more
I dont like to be oppositional, but why do we being ODD as a complete negative?
Surely ODD enables people to question and call out when people in power are full of crap, and not being shy of people in powerful positions.
I was diagnosed with ODD as a child and it still affects my daily life so, yeah-
Is it possible to be self aware of such a disorder or is it comparable to narcissism where the person is incapable of seeing themselves as a problem until everyone around them puts up a wall telling them they need help?
I'm convinced my wife of 40 years has this. I don't give her enough reasons to hate me. Her seething rage, defiance of me, disrespect of me is daily and palpable. She is just a very angry person. I don't know what to do.
Leave please.
Get a divorce
I don't want to do that anymore...hits me hard and good.
LSD Helped me feel an immense love for the world and with meditation and a shit load of weed I was able to relax. I also deal with ODD and high stress environments such as caretaking to the point of life&death choices for my mother. So I have a good reason to need to calm down ALOT. I believe MICRO dosing could help many with this issue we share. Stay safe everyone; you breathing is you best starting point remember that in a rage.
Hi Lon. I was hoping that I could have a chat to you. My son has what I believe to be ODD and I could really use some insight about how he is feeling and also how I can help him. Please contact me
I worked with an "adult" this week who contradicts everything said, and is very negative. It's like watching a 2 year old in an adult body. Fortunately her role is my life is very temporary. My sympathies are for anyone who is stuck with her for a longer period.
I know the DSM and all its permutations is unscientific. Supposed "illnesses" are decided upon by committees of committees, and its true purpose is to provide billing codes - $$$$.
But there are people who have entrenched issues and who are a pain in the ass to deal with. When it clicked that the "adult" I was dealing with this week was defiant and oppositional, it became easier to think of ways to manage her behavior and keep my peace of mind.
Coworkers cannot be chosen, but they can be managed.
I wish there were more information on helping an adult/young adult with ODD. My granddaughter has it and it seems to run in the family. She has a 3 year old and unfortunately he has no say in her bad choices. The good news is that she has an appointment with a therapist and we hope he can help. It's difficult for us to not enable her (which we have done in the past) and still support her. Any words of wisdom for us?
Read The 4 Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin. She identifies The Rebel and you may gain insight and help her too. My son is a rebel. So infuriating.
Big sigh!
Where can i find a support group to help me with my 30 year old daughter? She recently moved in with me and she is ODD. Very subside, swears at me like a sailor. In the Detroit area please.
Technically speaking, ODD is a condition of childhood, so you most likely won't find any support groups under that sort of description. The closest thing would be codependency support groups. A web search on those in your area should be productive.
This is a truly amazing video. I recently found out i have this. How can i get treated?
This video was amazing and comforting .. I could listen to you for hours.
Thank you
My ex displays this disorder in most dealings with me
Dr. Sutton,
What an awesome video!! The baby boomers did not have as wide spread diagnosis and treatment options and children of today have. Adult ODD, I feel, is troubling many undiagnosed adults today. My husband and I are in support groups, and ODD is very obvious as a center problem. Please give us more of your work on this. Thanks!!!
Baby boomers, and their children either.
I think you are over defining the condition. I think the condition really is when someone always immediately disagrees with what you say. They always have a better way to do what you suggest. They always temper what you say. They never accept anything outright. They always have the immediate reaction to say no when confronted with a yes no question. The reason I have an interest is that I am a lawyer and as I had the condition described to me it became apparent to me that many lawyers have the condition. And they see it as a strength when in fact it is a weakness.
This is my spouse. Its impossible to deal with him.
My child is 11 and just been diagnosed with ODD could someone please tell me what it's like having ODD, feelings thoughts etc I'm just interested to understand what's going through my child's head
I love this. I have a bf and realize he’s pretty defiant and realized he has all symptoms. I’m going to try the prediction method. Smoking weed all day doesn’t help either😭 thank you so much for this
His smoking weed or you, or both? Hang in there. Leave if it gets bad.
@@2degucitas he’s smoking weed and he’s trying to stop, but this defiance and irritability is making me crazy. I just need to learn how to respond to it.
If he is actually slowing, remember that withdrawal is the opposite of effect in many cases. So if it makes him happy and or calm, you might get the opposite with abstinence. Dry vaporizing flower might be a method of controlling which chemicals he is getting, and how much at one time. Word to the wise- try it first that day. Smoking is very powerful, you take in so much in so little time. If you've smoked that day you may not notice the effect of vaping as much. Also, dry flower vaporizers tend to not filter enough, meaning solids can get through the tool. Might be a thought if abstinence isn't a good way for him to quit. Stay away from carts. You don't even know what you're taking in with that stuff. Wax is even more powerful, and I feel more addictive.
First thing though is he has to want change. If he's happy being stoned from rising to sleeping, he might not be ready to change anything.
Also, he's probably got symptoms of numerous disorders. Most people do, from what I'm seeing in these diagnostics.
Not a doctor, by the way. Just a citizen trying to figure themselves out.
Are there any famous people with ODD?
Charlie Bronson is the most famous person with o.d.d
Hillary Clinton
Trump
All of them probably
The joker in the dark Knight.
I have ADHD and went through foster homes as a child, it wasn’t until recently that I have been told that ODD was suggested as to what I have as a child, but I still don’t understand if I am legitimately being fair when I take up for myself or if I am being defiant.
the information i see on here i found that i may possibly have odd and i would like to know if there is any medication to help me cope with it
I was diagnosed with ODD as a child, along with ADHD and Asperger's. I'm 35 now and living on my own, but my mother sometimes still believes I never outgrew my ODD because I don't always listen to her, despite the fact that she no longer has authority over me since I have my own place. Additionally, I'm never combative with other authority figures in my life (e.g.: the pastor at my church). Also, my psychiatrist doesn't think I have ODD either. Does anyone have any input for me?
im sorry, what is the difference in temperament & psychological disposition? are they not one & the same?
does not an "argumentative temperament" stem from somewhere?
I stayed with my ex for 15 yrs who I swear has ODD. I couldn't hold him accountable for anything. From my understanding ODD is a hereditary trait too. I see it in my daughter too who tends to get upset when people look at her when she gets in trouble. She has an inability to relugate herself much like her daddy. It's very hard to deal with sometimes but having him out of the house is helping. Back to my original point here I've heard stories of my ex's dad about his angery outbursts and lack of responsibility, I've witnessed the same in my ex, and now I'm seeing the behavior manifest in my daughter not necessarily violence but: oppositional, defiant, deflective, and careless. I'll do my best to help her with the advice I get umtil I can get her into counseling. Who knows, maybe it's just ADHD which runs on my family's side. Thank you so much for the information and God bless!!
Ok what do I do to fix it
What do you do if the person feels like they shouldn't change and they know they are hurting people? Like they feel it's part of their identity of who they are.
Did you ever figure it out?
Did you ever figure it out?
How are we defining “worst” and “best” today?
I have ODD, and i have isolated myself from the world. I keep moving from job to job, getting in trouble with the law. Defying judges , not paying fines, getting arrested. However i pretend not to care about it, i just keep it going waiting for death, when this problems will end
My son was diagnosed with ODD and I am trying to be open minded about it, but I just don't think he has it. He's not a tantrum thrower , never has been, in fact he's much more likely to get sad over something than angry. He got into some trouble with the law but I think it came from him being isolated for too long, having no real friends except the ones he meets online. He was upset when he broke the law but I think he was more depressed than anything else. He used to be the class clown and considered gifted and talented but he got so anxious about school in general that he dropped out. He won't live with me because I have mental health issues but so does he, he is very stubborn and won't listen to adults. He is almost an adult himself now and i worry about him, I think he has ADD and is very impulsive but like I say, just not a hot head as I hear ODD described by "experts" online.
Thank you. You helped someone today.
+Damon Hoppe Thats not ODD. Thats NORMAL. Ofcourse racism and mysogony should anger people. Some people are just more passionate about it and therefore more angry. Lots of people get arrested over stuff like that such as activists. If it was un-called for and you were just starting fights with people for no reason, THAT would be a problem. People with ODD cause trouble out of spite. Not out of something justified.
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
I might get this tatted very true
I have been told I must have Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD)or some other similar personality disorder that prevents me from fitting in and even holding down a job. I have nearly been arrested several times because of it. The moment someone starts being a racist or misogynist I cant stop myself getting angry. Not only do I blatantly refuse to participate in racist and misogynist discourse but I defy and oppose them. It makes me feel physically sick and I am unable to calm down for days. I find myself ranting and shouting out about how much I hate racists, etc. I even attempt to protest or stop the racists in some way but this gets me in trouble with the police. I know that Mental illness is a 'deviation from a social norm'. racism, etc is a social norm where I live so I must be unwell. Rather than changing my attitudes and behavior and becoming a well groomed racist I just blame them. I tell them their is no biological basis of race in direct defiance of authority. When they turn me down for a job because they have racist attitudes I blame their racist attitudes rather than accepting the fault must lie with me. I am deeply delusional and seem to be convinced that if I defy and oppose them enough they will be stopped. I desperately want to fit in but my ODD is destroying my life. I don't want to leave the house or speak to people. When I do it is so distressing it take me days to recover.
+Damon Hoppe Defying racism and misogyny is a good thing. Waiting for every person around you to mess up and prove they are bigotted is a time bomb waiting to go off and only YOU can control it. The habit of respecting superiors is a good one to develop. Biting your tongue will be a necessity. You have to learn it. You don't have to be a tough guy running to the rescue all the time.
+2degucitas thank for your response. being accused of odd by people does not mean I have the disorder just that the category is so open to interpretation and therefore abuse. I could equally claim that "normal" people have an antisocial personality disorder. I would assert that it is the duty of all rational beings to uphold morality and reason against the moral turpidude and irrationalism of our masters ie Kants categorical imperative. the simple fact that our masters can find a willing servant who will carry out thier immoral orders means that speaking truth to power is a form of self harm in that it only serves to cause us harm. the racist are firmly in control of not just corporations but our public institutions. the reality of this situation depresses me. depression their is yet another label that is used to make reason a mental illness. what kind of person can witness injustice etc and not be depressed by their powerlessness.
my husband has odd and i always wondered why he and his family didnt know right from wrong and always went out of their way to be very spiteful and were always full of revenge over the slightest little thing. it wasnt until my daughter was diagnosed with it that i realised why they all behaved in such a strange way and their way of thinking is totally different to every one elses. to live with some one who has odd makes me very unhappy
Clever! Awesome! Also can see you being a huge pain if this type of thinking is used to be in average thinkers' faces instead of calming yourself down to not react in a self-harming way when encountering bigotry that you can't change. Which would harm yourself.
As sad as that is...
Thank you for posting!!
Will this prevent you from joining the military
Thank you, I'll use some of these techniques with my clients.
Oh my God, seeing the comments... When I was a teen those situations had been my dreaded fears that I really know is coming and I don't know how to deal with it and any way out, even thinking that rather than hurting others I'd rather end myself already but circumstances made me still want to live, like keeping my sister and mother safe and helping them out, despite my mind wanting to end it all up already. Well, thanks for this video, it showed me the silver lining
Looking some information on English language because I speak Spanish and I find this.. I’m a mommy with an adult son with this condition and it’s really hard, I’m desesperate.
Thank you for all the the info . Most helpful
Thank you. I am grateful I found this.
I don’t understand if it’s not curable how come these children with a dog grow up into adults and or called the same? Because I know several people that act this very way. It’s quite disturbing and they are impossible.
I wish my bf cared if I walked away ..
Oh my goodness, if you haven't already, please leave him! There are so many people in the world to share live and life w, the kind who would care if you were missing. Even if it takes you a while to find them, better to have peace and quiet in solitude. Please take care of yourself.
Its insanity!
My friend is a perfect example of this
I hebe ODD HDHD and PTSD I really need help
Music name at beginning?
My husband may have had this as a child....and now he would he shows the symptom of narcissism
Helen Richardson I'm having this same issue with my fiance. What's worse is my now 10 year old son was diagnosed at age 4 with ODD & ADHD & it's heartbreaking because I know his therapy can help him dramatically now, but unfortunately, my fiance acts just like my ODD son.
@@Southernbellejwhite Don't marry that guy!!
@@Southernbellejwhite you formed child in ODD and now you are suprised your fiancee is ODD?
@@ПОЧИНЮКУКУХУ excuse you?
@@ПОЧИНЮКУКУХУ It's been 3 years since my comment to the original poster. Your comment made absolutely no sense.
Brilliant talk many thanks
i’m sure this guy I was dating has ODD when i confronted him just on the topic of autism he withdrew I could have reached out but i’m read watching info bc I think i dodged a bullet I know my curiosity can get the best of me ... any tips ??
Bro this legit just happened to me last night with my bf who has ODD. I'm autistic so I was just pointing out similarities I found between him and I that more or less point to him being on the spectrum. That's what finally lead me to educate myself and watch this video. I couldnt understand why he got so upset at me. I still don't know what I'm going to do really. It was slightly relieving to stumble across your comment even though I know its 8+ months old.
I see alot of similarities I'm said by the doctor to have adhd and "autism" and o.d.d my brother also has adhd , o.c.d and o.d.d I see so many similarities
My dad's abusive so
My brother repetitive behavior, and trouble with socializing I'm better at picking up social cues due to thearpy and my brother misses social cues constantly and gets angery when I point them out.
This can be very difficult in the family when the person is an "in-law" relationship. If that person also suffers from being raised in a focus of social environments less than 300 people it often remains expressed in very infantile mannerisms that are difficult to change. Not many people stop to correct other people's children in very small populations. Especially not in the early 1960's when it's 20 degrees below zero.!
this was great!
This explains a lot
My sister never grew out of this
If you know any one with odd my advice is to stay well clear of them. They make your life miserable. They never say sorry, always think they are right and never do anything wrong, hold pointless conversations repeating the same sentences over and over again saying bad things about other people, make you feel worthless, and have nothing in their heads unless it is copied from some one else. keep away they ruin your life and they are no fun to be around, life is too short to spend it with a person with odd
Unfortunately ur right. I have tears in my eyes as I type this. My 18 yr old has it. It’s not his fault...he can’t help it. But he is impossible to live around. So I feel I will have to stay away from him. Limiting association with him for a condition he has no control of is hard to swallow. I can see in his eyes he hurts everyday. He hates having ODD. It’s so unfair.
X unhealthy disposition = bad tempers. No one is able to communicate with him.
Do people with ODD (adults) deal with high anxiety? My dad has ADD, major anxiety and what I believe is ODD. He's like a 74 year old child, most of the time. He needles my mom, he cuts in line, he goes down one way streets, he enters doors that say "do not enter" or "personnel only". 😢
It is so odd! (Pun intended!😅)
I love my dad so much, but I can't be around him long. I'm no longer friends with him on Facebook because he makes comments on family posts that are taken as insulting but there's a sliver of a way it can be taken good or as nothing at all. It's tricky! Like he means it as a derogatory comment but it has this back door escape hatch or get out of jail free door where he can deny any wrongdoing or intentional hurt! Maddening!!!!
He will apologize, say things like "Oh...that must have been embarrassing..." apologize and then he will DO IT AGAIN! 😂😂😂
X has never had great relationships with the opposite gender!
what if the guy had before always been choosing his worst thinking brain to get where he is now... but now been given a choice to change it all .. by now choosing the best brain...did anyone ever think of that...
I can't keep a job or a relationship.. I've had 38 jobs, often ending in a physical or verbal altercation with the supervisor, owner, or superintendent. Relationships. I resonate with the passive aggressive personality disorder. I can't keep a job to get insurance to get an actual diagnosis and professional help. I'm often barely making it because I can't keep a job. But outside of that I am very very mellow and really avoid people
I'm sorry you're going through that. It seems you are at least aware of the issues, and that's a start. How are you these days?
I'm here as a civilian to learn and try and figure out a little of what I might have in the several months until my appointments.
I just want to point out, that the facts the way you laid them out(about 7 minutes in, theoretically speaking to the patient), to a personality like mine, sounds not like you're looking to make them draw a conclusion, but trying to start an argument. Is this tack intended to get a rise out of an aggressive person? Because I think it would.
wow.... i've said in recent times... the "Karen" is basically this. ODD kids who made it to adulthood
oh shit ......................!!!
Have compassion. Not judgement
Donald Trump has it! It’s not just young people that’s for sure.
"Disorder" lol.
If I could have children. I would want them beutiful so beutifull that the world would stand still in watching such beutifull children
I would want money so much to buy them a rich future
I would want them with the peace of mind of a Ghandi or a Buddah
And so intellegent that an Einstien would want an autograph
Ugly boy I was called stupid by everyone fat no friends sad childhood sad life sad job a suicidal future
I decided not to marry or have children I can't give a relationship to a woman love is unknown to me nor close relationship of any kind no friends I distrust them totally the world is an alien planet to me
Where were you God ? when it all began. forgive me but I don't know your world . You are my Lord but I don't know your children nor interested in knowing them. Sorry but I have known hell and still there release me so I can be free so that the world would be mine
+KingdomCome 49 Have someone else teach them English.
He has a more serious issue than a command of the English language!
This is the most likely cause of the sovereign citizen movement, as well as the Moorish movement.
nope, it was all started by one guy in Canada, named Robert Maynard, if im not mistaken lol
Criminal? Really? That statement has so many fallacies I don't know were to start. Spoken like a clinical
I'm an anarchist :)
Another self proclaimed doctor expert.... As, a trial lawyer It amazes me how people will take as gospel truth what someone who has a doctorate proclaims is the truth....