1:25 i nearly choked on my pop. i can't believe people actually want a cvt. i remember when we all laughed at the rubber band trans. hard pass i'll take honda and its real transmissions anyday.
blows my mind someone would want a noisy belt drive cvt. Its the Manufacturers cheap way out. These dirt trax guys must be paid to say “cvt is the best” by these canook companies like can-am
I bought my 2007 Rincon brand new. Still have it, still reliable and problem free but I still can't believe that in two decades Honda hasn't given their 2023 Rincon "flagship atv" power steering or some modern feature (like a headlight, lol) that almost all other manufacturers have on their ATVs.
True, but Honda charges as much for the Rincon with no gadgets compared to a Can-Am Outlander with more power and far more options. It makes one feel as though you're getting cheated. More times than not, the consumer will want more for the same amount of money.
sldl04 I have a can am my self I'm looking in the next month having a 680 I'm tired of breaking down and having problems with it time to get a bike that lasts not is fancy as ppl said
You are paying for a product that is made better than any flashy atv with the latest gadget. Honda suits people that want the reputation and who rode the old atvs without all the BS
I've owned three Rincons at one time... still have two, a 2003 650 and a 2012 680. I don't think that Luke Lester understands what 'utility' means, seriously. We use our Rincons mostly for trail riding here in the PNW, on state and federal lands. Anything from well-groomed gravel forest roads to rough roads over lava with plenty of baby head rocks and potholes, to Jeep trails and rutted-out two-track. They will go ANYWHERE, have a comfortable ride and eat shallow potholes with the suspension, will reach close to 60 mph (the carburated 650 is slightly faster than the fuel-injected 680, yet we tend to ride between 20 and 25 mph as a safe, relaxing, and comfortable pace, not much above idle in 3rd gear), and are just fun to ride. Yes, without power steering a really rough trail with lots of rocks and tree roots is a workout... the price you pay for not having a power steering unit to fail on you. The automobile-style 3-speed transmission is GREAT... you get engine braking and auto shifting. I generally cruise around in automatic, but will put it in manual shift mode when descending steep, rough trails. The engine braking in 1st gear really helps keep the bike under control without having to ride the brakes. With a CVT, either you don't get engine braking or you get it at the expense of wearing the belt out more quickly. And, with better tires (I run Maxxis Bighorn 2.0s in the factory sizes on all of my Rincons) I have NEVER been stuck... now, I don't try to cross a beaver pond or a deep mud pit with it either. But, water won't make the CVT belt slip (because there is no belt). I've had my Rincons for a decade now, and have had one solenoid (the reverse safety switch) and a couple of batteries go out (I easily fixed these issue), and I've replaced the brake pads on the 2003 and my old 2005. That 2005 had 4000 miles on it and was the strongest of the bunch... barely broken in. I've ridden the other brands. The extra HP you get from similar displacement ATVs comes from revving the engines to a higher RPM... the opposite of comfortable cruising. Honestly, what can one rider do, trail-riding wise, on another ATV with equivalent or larger displacement, that can't also be done on a Rincon? Can you ride for 8 hours on one tank (5 gallons) of fuel on a larger, more powerful ATV? If you're looking to trail ride in quiet comfort, if you're looking for relaxation and enjoyment instead of wanting an ATV that lets you hoon it, if you want to ride out to hunt without spooking game, if you're looking for a reliable, powerful ATV that isn't temperamental or likely to let you accidentally get in over your head and wreck, then the Rincon is it. If you're looking to blast down the trail at recklessly high speeds then buy something with a larger, more powerful engine... and be prepared to spend a lot to maintain it if you horse it around.
Depends on your riding/uses. Between the 2, I would say Kingquad. It has a CVT with a much wider ratio spread, a low range, a front locking differential, more power, optional EPS, more storage. The Rincon lacks or has less of those things. So those things make the KQ better for a larger variety of riding/uses. Another one in this class to consider is the Grizzly. It has all the advantages of the KQ except a tad less power, but the Grizzly does have lower gearing for better pulling/crawling.
Anyone else think that it's about time for honda to build a vtwin so they can compete with some of the other bikes such as the brute force or outlander ect.
Dude since they don't have that crappy centrifugal clutch, in my mind it compares with higher horse power. it's not all about 90 horses it's about how you get that power to the tires. those centrifugal clutches have the most parisidic power loss on the market.
+Ethan Seiley the automotive style tranny has crazy power loss ... that's why the Rincon is such a dog... it might be more reliable than a belt but it doesn't transfer power as well... otherwise every brand would do it
To all ths honda haters out there you need to understand something. In the 80s Honda got massivly popular with their bulletproof engines and trabsmissions. Mostlt farmers had atvs and worked them. Now days the only company you can go to for working an atv is honda. I personally think an atv is not meant for comfort its for work and getting to work in hard places.
I agree %100 Kody Pagel I grew up on honda's, starting off with a 2001 xr100 and rode it hard day in day out in went first kick everyday now im 15 and got a 2012 Honda crf230f I have had it for about 6months now and would never trade it for anything else. I also have a 2011 honda fourtrax 420 it's is an absoulte monster and for all the haters saying that oh hondas are shit there slow there unreliableable well I have had no problems with either of my bikes and will probally never have one
I love my 08 rincon, never left me stranded at all, does need power steering and diff lock but would not trade it for anything else, except an updated rincon. Come on Honda
I see a lot of folks say that Honda is underpowered. I own a Honda 500 Forman.Has ALL the power I will ever need and will go ANYWHERE I want to go!!! You cannot beat the Quality and Longivity of a Honda!!!!!
john how do you like than lose ring pining yamaha has my 420 rancher out does my stepbrothers kodiak so much i have give him plent of rides back to the truck because it breaks something all the time
My mistake was thinking that it was a lot newer.. What happens a lot is that the carb jets get trash/varnish in them, especially if the machine sits very long. Since the problem happens at idle, it could be a partially plugged idle jet. Sometimes the fix is a simple as buying a can of spray carb cleaner, taking the carb apart, and holding the spray straw up against every hole and passage and blasting them clean, with the emphasis being on the jets, which are accessible from the carb bowl.
I have a 07 Rincon and it handles pretty well without power steering , mind you I'm not jumping off rocks or racing down the trails like you show when you guys review quads but I think personally the thing the bike lacks is adjustable suspension and storage. The 680 cc might be underpowered for its class but still pulls pretty good. Just wish Honda would give it a update cause even in 2020 it still looks the same .
@@dirttraxtv Ctv suck cheap tech just a wast and a lazy design no way in truth that a atv cvt is anything but cost savings and a power waster a makes for a hum box for the driver.and plenty of us will buy a real manual just like say a hondas 250 fourman had way back in 1986 and it still works in 2022
I'm glad someone verified what I already knew. The only 450 sport ATV Honda has is the 450R. I've seen some things on the internet too where it was either a 400EX labled as a 450EX, or a 450R labled as a 450EX. I also went to Honda parts sites (3 of them) to look up Honda ATV parts by model, and also found no Honda models called "450EX". I looked back at least 20 years, found no 450 sport listed prior to the 450R. You accused me of not knowing enough. So NOW it's YOU that doesn't know enough.
Yes, that was weird that he'd say that. First he praises a CVT but then he says the 3 speed is his favorite, although he did say among Honda's non-CVT transmissions. Honda does have a hydraulic CVT that works quite well, even if it's more complicated/expensive than a belt CVT. I agree. I would love to see Honda's 5 speed or hydraulic CVT in the Rincon. The broader ratio spread of either would help performance. Why they limit their top utility ATV to 3 speeds (and no low range) is beyond me.
First off, try adjusting the idle speed up a little. Not much, because you don't want the clutch to start engaging at idle. It's easy to do, and may save you a trip to a mechanic. I have no idea how much a carb rejet will cost. That may not even be the problem, it's just one possibility. I only mentioned idle speed and carb jetting because of how new it is, but there are other possibilities. Pretty much any motorcycle shop can do it. It's up to you to find one if that's what it needs.
A 3 speed is going to pull the load it's designed to pull, just like the 3-speed auto in my '93 Dodge truck did. The 3-speed in my Dodge was NOT a sporty transmission. It was work truck transmission that did just fine. This is an analogy that MAYBE you are smart enough to understand. And likewise, the Rincon's transmission will do work. No, it's not a 4 or 5 speed or a CVT. But it will still pull a load. And the 3-speed Rincon trans IS more work oriented than sport oriented. PERIOD.
Yes. The Bayou line is an old, but proven design, and there's not much you can do to harm a Bayou unless you wreck it, or don't change the oil or adjust the valves often enough. Speaking of oil, be careful what oil you use in it. Most car oils have an "Energy Conserving" rating, which means they have an additive, usually molybdenum, that decreases friction. This can cause a wet clutch to slip. Use motorcycle or ATV oil. Some do fine with car oils that don't have the "Energy Conserving" rating.
Energy Conserving oil will have a circle on the bottle with the words "Energy Conserving". If those words aren't there, it's not Energy Conserving. Even at sea level, the problem with occasional stalling could still be the lean jetting from the factory. They do this to help reduce exhaust emissions, but at the same time, it can cause problems idling and reduced power. Simply rejetting it with no other modifications can make it start and run much better and increase power.
well the machine has 8,000 hours on it(previous owner put an hour guage on it) with only one carboretor cleaning. and i raised the idle a bit and it does seem to fix the problem.
@@utahwanderlust700 I agree with what you say but steel holds basically no energy compared to rubber. DCT 100% are better at transmitting power than a rubber band.
I'll respond to this one even though you replied to your own post... I wasn't dodging ANY question. I responded to your question exactly how it was asked. It said "load", not "towing". The racks are made for a load, aren't they? I've moved my 7' by 18' flatbed car-haul trailer around my yard with my Grizzly 550, no problems. The trailer weighs 1800 pounds empty, way more than the Grizzly is rated to tow. And the weight of the tongue barely made it squat, certainly not enough to cause problems.
3 speeds hamper the bottom end of the powerband, and how exactly does a solid rear axle squat under a load??? it doesn't! the tires may squish down...but, a little extra air pressure takes care of that. so how does a solid rear axle squat?
By the way: after all that was said, you totally missed the point of what I've been saying about the Rincon all along. And that point being that the Rincon is in bad need of upgrading. Regardless of the Rincon's purpose, Honda has a 5-speed and a hydraulic CVT that can perform better than the 3-speed for BOTH sport AND utility uses. And likewise, if they added the Big Red's locking front differential. And then adding a low range like every other brand has would help too. THAT was my point.
PART 2: Regardless of how little work you think it can do, the FACT still stands that the Rincon has design/features that identify it with the utility class. After all, the Rincon has racks, 4wd, an optional trailer hitch kit , and an optional winch. Just like utility ATVs do. As far as sport goes, a LOT of utility ATVs are more sport oriented than the Rincon. Brute Force 750, Outlander 650/800/1000 are some I can think of, yet THEY are STILL utility ATVs. I will call the Rincon a utility.
col i do not have very much experience with atv's. i have used them quite a bit but the largest one i have owned up untill 2 months ago was a honda 70 and that thing was very simple. it seems like everywhere i look the bayou has a good reputation. and i can do a wheelie in third gear, so i shouldn't have to worry bout the clutch going out any time soon,right?
Yes, you ARE correct. You cannot compare it to a sport ATV. Very true. Because it IS a utility, with NO sport in it. I clearly pointed out that it DOES have features that make it a utility, which identifies it WITH the utility class. You argued with me. And now, all of a sudden, you AGREE that it DOES have utility features. You didn't say that before.
Ok dirt tracks I'm looking in to a new 680 in the next few weeks I've been told though that the rubicon would be better I do mostly trail and some hill climbing light mudding every once in a while like maybe up to the step that's it and hauling what one is better would the low come in handy at all on the rubi I cane see it being something needed
Consult your owner's manual for valve adjustment information. The problem is probably idle speed adjustment, or maybe the lean factory carb jetting is wrong for your altitude. If setting the idle up just a little doesn't fix it, take it to a mechanic that knows how to jet carbs. It's possible that the cheap oil that you use is cheap enough to not have an Energy Conserving rating. I use non-synthetic motorcycle oil in my Grizzly 550 and Wolverine 450, synthetic motorcycle oil in my motorcycles.
I'm only here because i heard it had a torque convert automatic, thats really dope in my opinion though to be fair they have a quadbike with a hydrostatic transmission.
i just used the plainest oil i could find in the store. i have about 10 hours on the new oil and not a problem yet. i pull around 600 pounds of horse feed when i do use it. if anywhere the clutch would slip there! and my bayou will be idling perfect forever,then just randomly cut out. does it need a valve adjustment?
What was the out come? I have the same problem but it's not tell about an hour or two in to the ride.its like there is water in the gas but there is no water. If I let it sit for about 30 min. She runs fine again tell it starts again .
Yes. My '93 Dodge was indeed a bare-bones workhorse. Just like Chevy used to have a bare-bones 1/2 ton truck they called the WT, which meant work truck. I never said it could do what a 3/4 ton or 1 ton could do. I just called it what it was. And "get a dodge with some nuts" is funny because I haven't owned mine since '97. I only used my Dodge as an analogy to make a point. You accused me of "dancing aroud the subject". What I just quoted is a prime example of you doing the same thing AGAIN.
Just goes to show how little u know. Ever heard of the Goldwing? Its been the raining king of touring motorcycles. Lets see... Weight= over 900lbs, Engine size= over 1800cc 6 cylinder, Power and torque output= way more than any production atv, and transmission type= (drum roll) 5 speed manual that last FOREVER.
The amount of gears DOES matter. Like I clearly said before, back in the day "sports' cars had 4 or 5 speeds, while normal cars had 3. There IS a reason for this. A broader ratio spread and having less of a ratio difference between gears helps performance. And my full size Dodge had 3.50 gears, pretty close to the 3.42 gears you say don't give much pulling torque. And it only had a V6. Yet it pulled quite well.
hey dirttraxtv, I noticed that a lot of issues of your magazines don't have any ads, pictures, or reviews of honda atvs. Is that because they don't sponsor you at all? whats the deal? Im from ontario canada and I really like Dirtwheels magazine. Id like canada to have an unbiased magazine just like Dirtwheels!
anyone know how is the ride with 2 people on the rincon ? im in the market for a atv at the moment and found a really nice rincon for sale in my town but i was wondering if the ride is good when you have someone else with ya on the back seat.
I know you were talking about "ranchers, rubis, and foreman's". That's not my point. My point is how a rear swingarm suspension is more sporty. Which is why all but 2 sport ATVs in ATV history had a rear swingarm. Then factor in the FACT that ALL of the over 650cc utility ATVs have IRS. And most of the under 650cc ATVs have IRS. But THEY are still utility ATVs. Which again, is more evidence that the "sport" in the "sport-utility" claim on Honda's website is only for marketing purposes.
It's amazing how when I mentioned about the 3-speed auto, you ignored it. And what I CLEARLY said is how the Rincon's 3-speed auto hampers it's performance. Which makes it less sporty. And you also ignored what I said before about ANY IRS MACHINE when you add a load: It will squat. For that matter, a swingarm rear suspension will squat. Both of these FACTS make this a moot point. You ignore facts until it's convenient for you to mention them. Again, it's STILL closer to utility than sport.
PART 2: Honda's website calls it "sport-utility". However, Honda's website uses the term "workhorse" to describe the Rincon. And when you use the Honda website model comparison tool, the comparison tool compares it ONLY to UTILITY machines. When you say "load down a rincon's racks...watch the diff get closer...to the ground", that will happen to ANY independant suspension on ANY utility regardless of the load capacity. I'll call it a utility because it compares mostly to a utility. Period.
And "more interested in dancing around the subject"? That was the ONLY time I pointed out something like that which was outside the subject, unlike your name calling.
It'd be a good idea to remove the top cap, which contains the slide and slide needle and clean them and the slide bore and needle. The turn it upside down with the bowl removed, unscrew both jets and spray the holes in the middle and the small holes in the sides of the jets. You can take a small wire and poke it through the middle of the jets. They are brass, and are a precise size and can be damaged if not careful, so don't gouge them. Then spray them again. A thorough job should fix it.
my buddy's 250 honda recon with a 5 speed w/ reverse is geared a bit high. fast as hell but my bayou 250 would out-pull it and they both have a 5 speed w/ reverse and a 238 cc engine. honda tends to make their atv's haul ass. i don't need to go anywhere over 40 though so my kawasaki is perfect for me.
It can have power steering just ask for one and you can get one decked out for 15000$-17000$ I just got one a few months ago and they can be really nice
There are internet forum sites where you can get more answers. Although there some people on these sites that don't know what they are talking about, there's a lot of really experienced people on these sites. One is NYROC, and another is ATVSource. You'll have to join them to post questions, but they are free. You may even be able to look over old posts and tech articles to find what you need.
Oh, and I currently have 2 ATVs. An '06 Yamaha Wolverine 450, and an '09 Yamaha Grizzly 550 EPS SE. I've had several others over the years. And Honda has a 450EX? Never heard of that one. Regardless, Honda's 400EX is a sport ATV because that's obviously the class it's in. I know this to be true because I DO "have a clue".
I've bought my first ATV January 1992, the year you turned 10. I've owned several ATVs, and have ridden several more belonging to friends, family, and an ex-girlfriend. And I've worked on them. And rode one belonging to the military, used for stringing telephone cables and wires for field communications. With you being only 30, I might just have more experience and knowledge than you. Regardless, when you say I don't know enough, don't own an ATV, etc., you are WRONG.
Agreed. ALL Honda's autos are unique compared to other ATVs. So his point about Rincon's auto is moot. Good point about no low range, NO Honda has it. Low range helps with work. And, NO Honda has a locking differential. This ALSO makes ALL Hondas LESS work ready. Ever need to pull a heavy load in 4wd with no locker and had 3 wheels spin? I have. But...since a locker AND low range help with rock crawling (a sport), and since the Rincon lacks BOTH sporting features, it's NOT a "sport"-utility.
only thing you need to do to this if you like to ride in mud is the big red gear reduction kit. it doesnt have enough low end grunt to get the tired turning with bigger tires, and it has not impressed me i dont like it it breaks all the time!
QUOTE: "consider the rincon the 1/2 ton out of the entire "utility" line-up" UNQUOTE Now I can fully agree with that. Basically what the other guy said, which I agree with. It's a lighter duty utility.
I wouldn't be concerned about clutch wear, because it's a wet clutch. In other words, the clutch is inside the engine and is cooled by oil. Although I'm sure an automatic wet clutch can fail, it's a rare failure. And I'm sure Kawasaki designed the clutch to take any abuse the engine can put out.
There are a LOT of IRS ATVs in the utility class. Just because they're IRS does NOT change the "utility" designation. ALL of them will lose ground clearance when loaded down, AND they are STILL utility ATVs. Oh, by the way, you called it a "diff" (as in differential) in the rear. Well they have no "diff". It's a ring and pinion housing. I NEVER said it was AS GOOD at work. In fact, the other guy said it better. He said it "May be a lighter duty utility but still a utility". And THAT is FACT.
Rincon might be their flagship atv. But I’d take the rubicon or foreman any day of the week over the rincon...they don’t even have a light on the handlebars like the others. C’mon Honda update the looks of this beast a little..looks like a early 90’s atv to me
I call it their top utility simply because it's their largest displacement/most expensive utility. Just Like I'd call the Grizzly 700 Yamaha's top utility. Me saying that was in no way a reference to ability to work. The front differential housing does indeed house a differential. So it's called that. Just like my years of experience/knowledge with 4wd trucks tells me the same about trucks.
Rincon got a bodywork update this year, but it is basically just new plastic on top of the exact same frame, engine and everything else. Don't think it even has EPS.
"sport", doesn't mean it's for a particular sport. it means sporty handling, sporty acceleration and top end, sporty suspension, sporty tranny...all of the things that 5-speed, solid axle hondas lack!!!
just to clarify things(you seem to know alot about CVT's according to the comment thread) is there any way to have a cvt powering a 5 speed transmission? because i was playing with the gears and throttle on my kawi bayou 250(5 speed tranny) and it seems to have a cvt. because the speed change between 1500 and 2500 rpm's seems more than possible. if you understand what am trying to explain,please clarify for me thanks in advance! :D
1:25 i nearly choked on my pop. i can't believe people actually want a cvt. i remember when we all laughed at the rubber band trans. hard pass i'll take honda and its real transmissions anyday.
I too choked on the CVT comment.
his credibility was down after I heard it
Oh yea CVTs are terrible
these guys love cvt’s…they like loud as hell non efficient trannys
blows my mind someone would want a noisy belt drive cvt. Its the Manufacturers cheap way out. These dirt trax guys must be paid to say “cvt is the best” by these canook companies like can-am
I bought my 2007 Rincon brand new. Still have it, still reliable and problem free but I still can't believe that in two decades Honda hasn't given their 2023 Rincon "flagship atv" power steering or some modern feature (like a headlight, lol) that almost all other manufacturers have on their ATVs.
Sometimes it's nice to have something simple and last forever than having something with all the fancy gadgets and a bunch of wires.
True, but Honda charges as much for the Rincon with no gadgets compared to a Can-Am Outlander with more power and far more options. It makes one feel as though you're getting cheated. More times than not, the consumer will want more for the same amount of money.
sldl04 I have a can am my self I'm looking in the next month having a 680 I'm tired of breaking down and having problems with it time to get a bike that lasts not is fancy as ppl said
You are paying for a product that is made better than any flashy atv with the latest gadget. Honda suits people that want the reputation and who rode the old atvs without all the BS
10 years later and mine is still going strong
I've owned three Rincons at one time... still have two, a 2003 650 and a 2012 680. I don't think that Luke Lester understands what 'utility' means, seriously. We use our Rincons mostly for trail riding here in the PNW, on state and federal lands. Anything from well-groomed gravel forest roads to rough roads over lava with plenty of baby head rocks and potholes, to Jeep trails and rutted-out two-track. They will go ANYWHERE, have a comfortable ride and eat shallow potholes with the suspension, will reach close to 60 mph (the carburated 650 is slightly faster than the fuel-injected 680, yet we tend to ride between 20 and 25 mph as a safe, relaxing, and comfortable pace, not much above idle in 3rd gear), and are just fun to ride. Yes, without power steering a really rough trail with lots of rocks and tree roots is a workout... the price you pay for not having a power steering unit to fail on you. The automobile-style 3-speed transmission is GREAT... you get engine braking and auto shifting. I generally cruise around in automatic, but will put it in manual shift mode when descending steep, rough trails. The engine braking in 1st gear really helps keep the bike under control without having to ride the brakes. With a CVT, either you don't get engine braking or you get it at the expense of wearing the belt out more quickly. And, with better tires (I run Maxxis Bighorn 2.0s in the factory sizes on all of my Rincons) I have NEVER been stuck... now, I don't try to cross a beaver pond or a deep mud pit with it either. But, water won't make the CVT belt slip (because there is no belt). I've had my Rincons for a decade now, and have had one solenoid (the reverse safety switch) and a couple of batteries go out (I easily fixed these issue), and I've replaced the brake pads on the 2003 and my old 2005. That 2005 had 4000 miles on it and was the strongest of the bunch... barely broken in.
I've ridden the other brands. The extra HP you get from similar displacement ATVs comes from revving the engines to a higher RPM... the opposite of comfortable cruising. Honestly, what can one rider do, trail-riding wise, on another ATV with equivalent or larger displacement, that can't also be done on a Rincon? Can you ride for 8 hours on one tank (5 gallons) of fuel on a larger, more powerful ATV? If you're looking to trail ride in quiet comfort, if you're looking for relaxation and enjoyment instead of wanting an ATV that lets you hoon it, if you want to ride out to hunt without spooking game, if you're looking for a reliable, powerful ATV that isn't temperamental or likely to let you accidentally get in over your head and wreck, then the Rincon is it. If you're looking to blast down the trail at recklessly high speeds then buy something with a larger, more powerful engine... and be prepared to spend a lot to maintain it if you horse it around.
Well said, I own one and love it !!!
@@remotetrapper8991The 700xx with a winch was the closest Honda would offer to other Big Bore Quads.
Depends on your riding/uses. Between the 2, I would say Kingquad. It has a CVT with a much wider ratio spread, a low range, a front locking differential, more power, optional EPS, more storage. The Rincon lacks or has less of those things. So those things make the KQ better for a larger variety of riding/uses.
Another one in this class to consider is the Grizzly. It has all the advantages of the KQ except a tad less power, but the Grizzly does have lower gearing for better pulling/crawling.
That is so true, i have a Honda 450 foreman S (2000 model) and after 12 hard years it is still running like a champ!
Don't need Power Steering, people for decades have been riding without it.
Yea and they hand cranked Model T's to start them too. Guess we don't need electric start either.
Yea they also people for decades have been riding without headlights its better to put gas powered lamps inside
Power steering is nice though..once I tried it it's good..really adds to the comfort
I’ve never had it, so I don’t know what I’m missing. Which is good
Rincon brothers
Anyone else think that it's about time for honda to build a vtwin so they can compete with some of the other bikes such as the brute force or outlander ect.
YES
Dude since they don't have that crappy centrifugal clutch, in my mind it compares with higher horse power. it's not all about 90 horses it's about how you get that power to the tires. those centrifugal clutches have the most parisidic power loss on the market.
+Ethan Seiley the automotive style tranny has crazy power loss ... that's why the Rincon is such a dog... it might be more reliable than a belt but it doesn't transfer power as well... otherwise every brand would do it
cvt is the fastest transmition in atvs
5 years now and still a valid question lol
To all ths honda haters out there you need to understand something. In the 80s Honda got massivly popular with their bulletproof engines and trabsmissions. Mostlt farmers had atvs and worked them. Now days the only company you can go to for working an atv is honda. I personally think an atv is not meant for comfort its for work and getting to work in hard places.
I agree %100 Kody Pagel I grew up on honda's, starting off with a 2001 xr100 and rode it hard day in day out in went first kick everyday now im 15 and got a 2012 Honda crf230f I have had it for about 6months now and would never trade it for anything else. I also have a 2011 honda fourtrax 420 it's is an absoulte monster and for all the haters saying that oh hondas are shit there slow there unreliableable well I have had no problems with either of my bikes and will probally never have one
ha that's funny I started on 2001 xr 100 too, no joke. Im 15 also, but im saving for car so I still ride the ol 100, haven't had one problem using it
aha yeah same, and yeah I ride the 100 round like just if im going on shorts trips or carrying something from place to place
I want to get a Honda car, love vtec
Yeah aye
When i picked up my Grizzly 660 back in the day, it was the BIG Bore ATV.. iv never even heard about a "Hyper Bore" category.
At 1:21 you say you are going to be perfectly honest with us for a second, are you not being honest the rest of the video?
He’s saying that as opinionated. Not straight facts, buddy.
KAREN ALERT
I love my 08 rincon, never left me stranded at all, does need power steering and diff lock but would not trade it for anything else, except an updated rincon. Come on Honda
I see a lot of folks say that Honda is underpowered. I own a Honda 500 Forman.Has ALL the power I will ever need and will go ANYWHERE I want to go!!! You cannot beat the Quality and Longivity of a Honda!!!!!
That's easy to say until you drive something with more power. I upgraded from an '05 rubicon to a '17 yamaha kodiak this year. I'll never go back.
john how do you like than lose ring pining yamaha has my 420 rancher out does my stepbrothers kodiak so much i have give him plent of rides back to the truck because it breaks something all the time
i wish they would show the rincon some love, like they love the foreman(the top dog). they need to made a new model for 2021
Need to change that transmission too
@@shermanbrown3580 exactly
They make a rubicon
@@evanreynolds2898 yup, and its truly the best fourwheeler, sad its only 518 cc, still go farther than any can am or polaria
My mistake was thinking that it was a lot newer..
What happens a lot is that the carb jets get trash/varnish in them, especially if the machine sits very long. Since the problem happens at idle, it could be a partially plugged idle jet.
Sometimes the fix is a simple as buying a can of spray carb cleaner, taking the carb apart, and holding the spray straw up against every hole and passage and blasting them clean, with the emphasis being on the jets, which are accessible from the carb bowl.
I have a 2007 Rincon with over 13,000 km on it. Most reliable piece of machinery i have ever owned !!
Yo ya tengo la mía me gusta mi honda rincón 20 18. Honda is the best
I have a 07 Rincon and it handles pretty well without power steering , mind you I'm not jumping off rocks or racing down the trails like you show when you guys review quads but I think personally the thing the bike lacks is adjustable suspension and storage. The 680 cc might be underpowered for its class but still pulls pretty good. Just wish Honda would give it a update cause even in 2020 it still looks the same .
Agreed!
@@dirttraxtv Ctv suck cheap tech just a wast and a lazy design no way in truth that a atv cvt is anything but cost savings and a power waster a makes for a hum box for the driver.and plenty of us will buy a real manual just like say a hondas 250 fourman had way back in 1986 and it still works in 2022
@@overbuiltautomotive1299Cvt's are just a pain in any application
I'm glad someone verified what I already knew.
The only 450 sport ATV Honda has is the 450R. I've seen some things on the internet too where it was either a 400EX labled as a 450EX, or a 450R labled as a 450EX.
I also went to Honda parts sites (3 of them) to look up Honda ATV parts by model, and also found no Honda models called "450EX". I looked back at least 20 years, found no 450 sport listed prior to the 450R.
You accused me of not knowing enough. So NOW it's YOU that doesn't know enough.
Yes, that was weird that he'd say that. First he praises a CVT but then he says the 3 speed is his favorite, although he did say among Honda's non-CVT transmissions.
Honda does have a hydraulic CVT that works quite well, even if it's more complicated/expensive than a belt CVT.
I agree. I would love to see Honda's 5 speed or hydraulic CVT in the Rincon. The broader ratio spread of either would help performance. Why they limit their top utility ATV to 3 speeds (and no low range) is beyond me.
great review; very well done. The riding outakes really made it useful.
i already did that once,but i think it needs a second. it would only run on ether before i cleaned it the first time!
yeah,that is exacally what i did the first time. i have cleaned many carbs. i will do it again when i get the chance though.
just a lil heads up about that cvt trani. if that belt gets wet,YOU DONT GO NOWHERE!
First off, try adjusting the idle speed up a little. Not much, because you don't want the clutch to start engaging at idle. It's easy to do, and may save you a trip to a mechanic.
I have no idea how much a carb rejet will cost. That may not even be the problem, it's just one possibility. I only mentioned idle speed and carb jetting because of how new it is, but there are other possibilities.
Pretty much any motorcycle shop can do it. It's up to you to find one if that's what it needs.
A 3 speed is going to pull the load it's designed to pull, just like the 3-speed auto in my '93 Dodge truck did.
The 3-speed in my Dodge was NOT a sporty transmission. It was work truck transmission that did just fine.
This is an analogy that MAYBE you are smart enough to understand.
And likewise, the Rincon's transmission will do work. No, it's not a 4 or 5 speed or a CVT. But it will still pull a load. And the 3-speed Rincon trans IS more work oriented than sport oriented. PERIOD.
The Honda will all ways start and run it is trustworthy but antiquated as far as keeping up with the times it leaves a lot to be desired.
Yes. The Bayou line is an old, but proven design, and there's not much you can do to harm a Bayou unless you wreck it, or don't change the oil or adjust the valves often enough.
Speaking of oil, be careful what oil you use in it. Most car oils have an "Energy Conserving" rating, which means they have an additive, usually molybdenum, that decreases friction. This can cause a wet clutch to slip. Use motorcycle or ATV oil. Some do fine with car oils that don't have the "Energy Conserving" rating.
Energy Conserving oil will have a circle on the bottle with the words "Energy Conserving". If those words aren't there, it's not Energy Conserving.
Even at sea level, the problem with occasional stalling could still be the lean jetting from the factory. They do this to help reduce exhaust emissions, but at the same time, it can cause problems idling and reduced power. Simply rejetting it with no other modifications can make it start and run much better and increase power.
well the machine has 8,000 hours on it(previous owner put an hour guage on it) with only one carboretor cleaning. and i raised the idle a bit and it does seem to fix the problem.
I love my rincon. She loves to be on her back tires on land and in water.
yeah, but i was talking about ranchers, rubis, and foreman's...not comparing to sport quads, just honda's other real utility machines.
"CVT is the best ATV transmission"
You've lost all credibility with that statement in my opinion.
@@utahwanderlust700 I agree with what you say but steel holds basically no energy compared to rubber. DCT 100% are better at transmitting power than a rubber band.
@@utahwanderlust700 True true, ill give you props for responding so quickly after a year
@utah wanderlust700 dct are the most efficient way to get power to the ground that why sports cars have
@@nickmcclelland474 that's true unless you're driving an atv which has less horsepower and will do better with a cvt.
I'll respond to this one even though you replied to your own post...
I wasn't dodging ANY question. I responded to your question exactly how it was asked. It said "load", not "towing". The racks are made for a load, aren't they?
I've moved my 7' by 18' flatbed car-haul trailer around my yard with my Grizzly 550, no problems. The trailer weighs 1800 pounds empty, way more than the Grizzly is rated to tow. And the weight of the tongue barely made it squat, certainly not enough to cause problems.
3 speeds hamper the bottom end of the powerband, and how exactly does a solid rear axle squat under a load??? it doesn't! the tires may squish down...but, a little extra air pressure takes care of that. so how does a solid rear axle squat?
I'm a Honda man through and through. You can't kill 'em.
By the way: after all that was said, you totally missed the point of what I've been saying about the Rincon all along.
And that point being that the Rincon is in bad need of upgrading.
Regardless of the Rincon's purpose, Honda has a 5-speed and a hydraulic CVT that can perform better than the 3-speed for BOTH sport AND utility uses.
And likewise, if they added the Big Red's locking front differential.
And then adding a low range like every other brand has would help too.
THAT was my point.
PART 2:
Regardless of how little work you think it can do, the FACT still stands that the Rincon has design/features that identify it with the utility class.
After all, the Rincon has racks, 4wd, an optional trailer hitch kit , and an optional winch. Just like utility ATVs do.
As far as sport goes, a LOT of utility ATVs are more sport oriented than the Rincon. Brute Force 750, Outlander 650/800/1000 are some I can think of, yet THEY are STILL utility ATVs.
I will call the Rincon a utility.
because the 680 was intended to be reliable for longer. a shaft and tie rods are gonna last a helluva lot longer than a power steering unit.
col i do not have very much experience with atv's. i have used them quite a bit but the largest one i have owned up untill 2 months ago was a honda 70 and that thing was very simple. it seems like everywhere i look the bayou has a good reputation. and i can do a wheelie in third gear, so i shouldn't have to worry bout the clutch going out any time soon,right?
Yes, you ARE correct. You cannot compare it to a sport ATV. Very true. Because it IS a utility, with NO sport in it.
I clearly pointed out that it DOES have features that make it a utility, which identifies it WITH the utility class. You argued with me. And now, all of a sudden, you AGREE that it DOES have utility features. You didn't say that before.
Ok dirt tracks I'm looking in to a new 680 in the next few weeks I've been told though that the rubicon would be better I do mostly trail and some hill climbing light mudding every once in a while like maybe up to the step that's it and hauling what one is better would the low come in handy at all on the rubi I cane see it being something needed
Probably because the Rubicon sits up higher than all other Honda line-ups, therefore a little more "top heavy".
Consult your owner's manual for valve adjustment information. The problem is probably idle speed adjustment, or maybe the lean factory carb jetting is wrong for your altitude. If setting the idle up just a little doesn't fix it, take it to a mechanic that knows how to jet carbs.
It's possible that the cheap oil that you use is cheap enough to not have an Energy Conserving rating. I use non-synthetic motorcycle oil in my Grizzly 550 and Wolverine 450, synthetic motorcycle oil in my motorcycles.
Has Honda solved the issue of ground clearance wiht this ATV that has unfortunately been a problem with some of its ATVs in the past?
I'm only here because i heard it had a torque convert automatic, thats really dope in my opinion though to be fair they have a quadbike with a hydrostatic transmission.
i just used the plainest oil i could find in the store. i have about 10 hours on the new oil and not a problem yet. i pull around 600 pounds of horse feed when i do use it. if anywhere the clutch would slip there! and my bayou will be idling perfect forever,then just randomly cut out. does it need a valve adjustment?
What was the out come? I have the same problem but it's not tell about an hour or two in to the ride.its like there is water in the gas but there is no water. If I let it sit for about 30 min. She runs fine again tell it starts again .
Yes. My '93 Dodge was indeed a bare-bones workhorse. Just like Chevy used to have a bare-bones 1/2 ton truck they called the WT, which meant work truck.
I never said it could do what a 3/4 ton or 1 ton could do. I just called it what it was.
And "get a dodge with some nuts" is funny because I haven't owned mine since '97. I only used my Dodge as an analogy to make a point.
You accused me of "dancing aroud the subject". What I just quoted is a prime example of you doing the same thing AGAIN.
Just goes to show how little u know. Ever heard of the Goldwing? Its been the raining king of touring motorcycles. Lets see... Weight= over 900lbs, Engine size= over 1800cc 6 cylinder, Power and torque output= way more than any production atv, and transmission type= (drum roll) 5 speed manual that last FOREVER.
Honda is the best
The amount of gears DOES matter. Like I clearly said before, back in the day "sports' cars had 4 or 5 speeds, while normal cars had 3. There IS a reason for this. A broader ratio spread and having less of a ratio difference between gears helps performance.
And my full size Dodge had 3.50 gears, pretty close to the 3.42 gears you say don't give much pulling torque. And it only had a V6. Yet it pulled quite well.
hey dirttraxtv, I noticed that a lot of issues of your magazines don't have any ads, pictures, or reviews of honda atvs. Is that because they don't sponsor you at all? whats the deal? Im from ontario canada and I really like Dirtwheels magazine. Id like canada to have an unbiased magazine just like Dirtwheels!
ok so i should only use this machine at high rpm's-when the clutch is fully engaged to minimize wear?
anyone know how is the ride with 2 people on the rincon ? im in the market for a atv at the moment and found a really nice rincon for sale in my town but i was wondering if the ride is good when you have someone else with ya on the back seat.
I know you were talking about "ranchers, rubis, and foreman's". That's not my point.
My point is how a rear swingarm suspension is more sporty. Which is why all but 2 sport ATVs in ATV history had a rear swingarm.
Then factor in the FACT that ALL of the over 650cc utility ATVs have IRS. And most of the under 650cc ATVs have IRS.
But THEY are still utility ATVs.
Which again, is more evidence that the "sport" in the "sport-utility" claim on Honda's website is only for marketing purposes.
ok i will look into it. where can i get that done and about how much money will it be?
I'll b seeing those can ams along with those Polaris quads in the shop while I'm out riding my 9 yr old Honda. Never fails every ride I go on
It's amazing how when I mentioned about the 3-speed auto, you ignored it. And what I CLEARLY said is how the Rincon's 3-speed auto hampers it's performance. Which makes it less sporty.
And you also ignored what I said before about ANY IRS MACHINE when you add a load: It will squat. For that matter, a swingarm rear suspension will squat. Both of these FACTS make this a moot point.
You ignore facts until it's convenient for you to mention them. Again, it's STILL closer to utility than sport.
PART 2:
Honda's website calls it "sport-utility".
However, Honda's website uses the term "workhorse" to describe the Rincon.
And when you use the Honda website model comparison tool, the comparison tool compares it ONLY to UTILITY machines.
When you say "load down a rincon's racks...watch the diff get closer...to the ground", that will happen to ANY independant suspension on ANY utility regardless of the load capacity.
I'll call it a utility because it compares mostly to a utility. Period.
And "more interested in dancing around the subject"? That was the ONLY time I pointed out something like that which was outside the subject, unlike your name calling.
here it is 6 years later & still no power steering on this model offered
It'd be a good idea to remove the top cap, which contains the slide and slide needle and clean them and the slide bore and needle. The turn it upside down with the bowl removed, unscrew both jets and spray the holes in the middle and the small holes in the sides of the jets. You can take a small wire and poke it through the middle of the jets. They are brass, and are a precise size and can be damaged if not careful, so don't gouge them. Then spray them again. A thorough job should fix it.
my buddy's 250 honda recon with a 5 speed w/ reverse is geared a bit high. fast as hell but my bayou 250 would out-pull it and they both have a 5 speed w/ reverse and a 238 cc engine. honda tends to make their atv's haul ass. i don't need to go anywhere over 40 though so my kawasaki is perfect for me.
How's she stack up next to the 750 king quad?
It can have power steering just ask for one and you can get one decked out for 15000$-17000$ I just got one a few months ago and they can be really nice
It needs power steering, high and low gearing and locking front axle.
Weird then why does the 2011 rancher have power steering if Honda doesn't have it?
There are internet forum sites where you can get more answers. Although there some people on these sites that don't know what they are talking about, there's a lot of really experienced people on these sites. One is NYROC, and another is ATVSource. You'll have to join them to post questions, but they are free. You may even be able to look over old posts and tech articles to find what you need.
also, how are you qualified to re-categorize previous classification by honda, usa.??? if the website says "sport/ute"...well that's what it is.
would you reomend this or a suzuki king quad?
They still need to make a 1000 atv! There really slow compared to everyone else I mean how long has can-am had a 1000?
Honda would rather have quality machines of quantity, can am and Polaris break a lot more than Honda’s do
same with my '86 trx 70. exept i pulled it over a few times i did not stand it up.
Oh, and I currently have 2 ATVs. An '06 Yamaha Wolverine 450, and an '09 Yamaha Grizzly 550 EPS SE. I've had several others over the years.
And Honda has a 450EX? Never heard of that one. Regardless, Honda's 400EX is a sport ATV because that's obviously the class it's in. I know this to be true because I DO "have a clue".
I've bought my first ATV January 1992, the year you turned 10.
I've owned several ATVs, and have ridden several more belonging to friends, family, and an ex-girlfriend. And I've worked on them. And rode one belonging to the military, used for stringing telephone cables and wires for field communications.
With you being only 30, I might just have more experience and knowledge than you.
Regardless, when you say I don't know enough, don't own an ATV, etc., you are WRONG.
Did I hear the Rincon is small
Agreed. ALL Honda's autos are unique compared to other ATVs. So his point about Rincon's auto is moot.
Good point about no low range, NO Honda has it. Low range helps with work.
And, NO Honda has a locking differential. This ALSO makes ALL Hondas LESS work ready. Ever need to pull a heavy load in 4wd with no locker and had 3 wheels spin? I have.
But...since a locker AND low range help with rock crawling (a sport), and since the Rincon lacks BOTH sporting features, it's NOT a "sport"-utility.
only thing you need to do to this if you like to ride in mud is the big red gear reduction kit. it doesnt have enough low end grunt to get the tired turning with bigger tires, and it has not impressed me i dont like it it breaks all the time!
does anyone know how much cams, programmer and a pipe would pep this up? would it be worth the money?
when will honda offer a locker on their atvs?
hi ive heard stuff about honda not having front differentials in there atvs anyone care to comment on that ?
i dont get it y the rancher at 420, has power steering. but the bigger rincon 680 does not its just weird.
Well it’s 2021 and the rincon is still unchanged. No low range or power steering and no diff lock.
does it do good wheelies?
QUOTE: "consider the rincon the 1/2 ton out of the entire "utility" line-up" UNQUOTE
Now I can fully agree with that. Basically what the other guy said, which I agree with. It's a lighter duty utility.
ok thanks i will look them up
"Where you goin'? NOWHERE!" lol couldn't resist
I wouldn't be concerned about clutch wear, because it's a wet clutch. In other words, the clutch is inside the engine and is cooled by oil. Although I'm sure an automatic wet clutch can fail, it's a rare failure. And I'm sure Kawasaki designed the clutch to take any abuse the engine can put out.
There are a LOT of IRS ATVs in the utility class. Just because they're IRS does NOT change the "utility" designation.
ALL of them will lose ground clearance when loaded down, AND they are STILL utility ATVs.
Oh, by the way, you called it a "diff" (as in differential) in the rear. Well they have no "diff". It's a ring and pinion housing.
I NEVER said it was AS GOOD at work. In fact, the other guy said it better. He said it "May be a lighter duty utility but still a utility". And THAT is FACT.
Rincon might be their flagship atv. But I’d take the rubicon or foreman any day of the week over the rincon...they don’t even have a light on the handlebars like the others. C’mon Honda update the looks of this beast a little..looks like a early 90’s atv to me
so are four wheelers, dirt bikes are the way to go, unless you are doing hauling, or have to carry a lot.
Talking about older Honda's, I know the new ones do.
in about 20 years ago. the pausitraxtion ones.
i have a 420 rancher but Ive herd frm ppl with rincons are geard to high
hard to say. but you simply can NOT beat he older honda's!
I call it their top utility simply because it's their largest displacement/most expensive utility. Just Like I'd call the Grizzly 700 Yamaha's top utility.
Me saying that was in no way a reference to ability to work.
The front differential housing does indeed house a differential. So it's called that. Just like my years of experience/knowledge with 4wd trucks tells me the same about trucks.
The fact that the 700 Rubicon is nearly exactly the same as a 2012 vehicle is just sad.
Rincon got a bodywork update this year, but it is basically just new plastic on top of the exact same frame, engine and everything else. Don't think it even has EPS.
@@dirttraxtv Yep still no power steering even tho the lower 520 model has it, but hey atleast it got an LED headlight.
"sport", doesn't mean it's for a particular sport. it means sporty handling, sporty acceleration and top end, sporty suspension, sporty tranny...all of the things that 5-speed, solid axle hondas lack!!!
just to clarify things(you seem to know alot about CVT's according to the comment thread) is there any way to have a cvt powering a 5 speed transmission? because i was playing with the gears and throttle on my kawi bayou 250(5 speed tranny) and it seems to have a cvt. because the speed change between 1500 and 2500 rpm's seems more than possible. if you understand what am trying to explain,please clarify for me thanks in advance! :D
How much .?
Cuanto cuesta ?