also, he always looks good early in the season and then every single year he gets figured out. i remember when kyler murray was looking like an mvp candidate in the early-mid part of the year with kingsbury a couple times and then they fell off a cliff. the same thing has happened with jayden daniels. he is not a good coach.
Yeah I just feel he's too one sided as a HC. He was like eberflus in a sense, just a glorified coordinator. Unfortunately the man for the job was harbaugh. Would of been perfect for caleb and the team at the same time. Have to get a coach that can attach to caleb this way if we lose an OC (due to success) we keep the foundation intact. I say ben Johnson because his creativity and understanding of what the offense needs to produce impresses me. Just not sure of how he can be a general of a team. They talk about a leader of men but that's wrong. If men need leaders then they're not men because a man will lead himself if he has integrity. What we need is a general that can help create the best situation and demand the best of the man. We need our napoleon.
This BS about a “leader of men”is such a bunch of overblown nonsense. If the coach doesn’t know how to put the players in the best position to be able to play fast then he will never be a leader. The best coach is a winner…that is who the players are going to FOLLOW…PERIOD!!!
Well when you have a HOF QB thats one of the announcers of the game point out situations where Caleb had receivers open and didn't pull the trigger, that let's you know some of the Offensive struggles have been on him. Yes, I have no problem admitting that but we all know Offensive Line, Play calling and Head Coaching have definitely been an issue too!
It's multiple things that are true at once. It's Caleb, it's the Oline, it's the WR knowing what they're doing and lack of effort, it's coaching, All the coaches. People are narrow minded if they blame EVERYTHING on ONE guy.
I think its more of CW being humbled than losing confidence in his abilities. I think he believes he will be a great QB but it won't be via the blueprint he came into the league with. Experiencing this downward spiral can be good for the next season cause there are certain red flags he can identify and now hopefully have a stronger voice to not just point them out but have the management and coaches make the correct changes to address them. The one thing Caleb will have to do that Justin couldn't do that good was thread the needle of criticism of the mistakes without sounding like he is just being a complainer or difficult player.
Facts. You are spot on about alot of these supposed Bear's fans. Many want Caleb to fail so bad because of their love for Justin. I liked Justin also but I'm a Bear's fan before a player fan. Most of these ppl are delusional as hell!
I'm with you on fans and the media having too high of expectations on Caleb and thinking he wouldn't need to develop. But the sad part in all of this is that if you look at the decision to hang on the Eberflus as well as the hiring of Shane Waldron, not to mention putting together a descent OL to protect the QB, I think the biggest culprit in believing in all the hype and thinking you could just drop a QB in here and fix everything may be Ryan Poles.
we need an offensive minded head coach. i hate the idea of having to get the coordinator right, and then if that coordinator does well, they're gone for a head coaching job and we're back to square one again. most likely scenario though is that we don't even get the coordinator right. caleb and the offense need continuity over the course of a couple of years and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't, but you have to figure out if it will work. right now it's impossible to evaluate because of the coaching chaos and how this season has gone.
Fix the coaching will help fix the mistakes and a few little things going the right way can change a hole game to win, the add wins like this year where over 5 games this year are wins we missed making players feel bad. I see good things could have happened, one play changes games
Was saying it from the beginning that I wamted CW to push it a lil more, be risky with the biscuit. Now he's in this weird spot where he feels like a pick is devastating. Its a part of the game.
I had no expectations going into this season. So I have no disappointment for this year. The Broncos and Commanders are winning with rookie QB'S. Oh yeah, they were drafted after Caleb.
I knew the "generational" tag was BS! I also knew that picking him 😂would set us back 3 yrs. minimum because I SAW him play at USC and watched him crumble when the chips were down! He was going to be like every other rookie QB with special talent.
I'm sorry I just think that's what a fan supposed to do just be blindly optimistic and you go with the flows of a season year to year that's what makes it worth the while as you go through several years of your team just being garbage and then win the super bowl
Haize…calm down, most people watching podcasts need an outlet because they lack confidence. Please keep your composure and talk to your followers like me that know everything is not as bad or good as it may seem and know something about FOOTBALL!!!
Couldn't agree more witchu haize Caleb Williams has been great and terrible as well in different situations this year even in a dismal ass season he broke all Chicago Bears quarterbacks statistics gotta keep showing development and progression just need to refine some things and upgrade the line in a meaningful aspect
and ima tell u where all this came from everything comes from somewhere but that int thing came from jay cutler he came here with that gunslinger mentality and it stuck and then greenbay helped it by talking about jay and his ints and then mitch came and he was a lil better but he still had a int problem but it was from reading defenses not gunslinger and then justin came and he vowed to take care of the ball and he had the reading defense problem and he was interception prone and now caleb is up and he come and now he vows to stop the ints but now he so cautious with it because he dont want to be lableld with the rest of them so he not taking chances he scared to pull the trigger so this is where all this int thang came from jay cutty started it
I think we forget that the sports analyst is entertainment there ain't a right or wrong way to build a team but it's more entertaining to get the fan base up in the uproar because we still haven't realized the main people that be talking don't know what the fuck they be talking about they just want to get a rise out of the Chicago bears fan base probably the biggest fan base in the NFL and obviously he hated fan base
Looking from the outside (I'm not a Bears fan) this organization failed Caleb by not being 100% sold on the Head Coach (if they were he would still be there and not fired mid-season) at the start of the 2025 season Caleb will be on his 3rd HC and 3rd OC and any true football fan knows that is a recipe for disaster. The 2nd issue was the media hype - Caleb has been touted as the No. 1 pick since he was a Freshman (Colin Cowherd said it while he was at Oklahoma) and this "generational talent, next Mahomes" label was simply not fair to the kid and you can tell Caleb is rattled I just hope these last 3 games don't kill this kid before he gets started. We have seen this QB story before unfortunately..
Look at rookie qb stats over past decade even longer c.williams isn't bad especially with all the cahos does he need to improve yes what rookie don't get a qb so God damn protection!!!!!
Just like all the other teams in Chicago ownership has to stay out of it until mccaskey learns this nothing is gonna go right A good example is Jerry Jones in Dallas but the difference is Jones is a Fann mccaskey isn't
What decisions do we KNOW McCaskey has made in the last 2 years? Is he an idiot? Yes, but blame him for what we know he has done, not for decisions he might have maybe made.
Dont forget our receivers end up right next to each other throughout their routes which is some junior high football bullshit. Its still waldrons system and its broke as fuck
I’m not sure what their is to gain by playing Caleb these final 3 games?? It’d be entirely diff if the bears started out slow and then gradually started to intermittently play better. But that’s not the case. I’d sit the kid. Explain to him how important he, and his health are to the franchise. Let him watch the final 3 weeks. Get your new HC/OC situated. And start fresh next year.
Really? The Bears have become a cream puff organization. We are the least physical team in the NFL. Ryan Poles is the worst GM in all of pro football including arena league, USFL& WFL. Poles will have the bears drafting top 8 EVERY year. Our fanbase is delusional. The bears front office is dysfunctional
I hope they don't have kittens. The alimony alone is going to set him back. That's what he gets for thinking he could slide on down the way. Probably thought the rain would cover up the scent.
So when it comes to Caleb Williams holding the ball a little too long can we also look objectively added to that the receivers get held way too much and way too often and there's no calls like we saw the same stuff with Justin fields and no one wanted to point out the fact that his receivers get healed a lot Mark Sanchez I believe that was on the Arizona game pointed that out in the first quarter that the receivers was getting held and the referee wasn't calling nothing and they just going to keep holding the receivers I'm not saying it's an excuse but it factors in a lot in my opinion especially when the media wants to say oh he holds the ball too long we're almost here in the same thing they were saying about Justin fields
Not an excuse ?? “But if it wasn’t for all the unfair play going unpenalized, then Caleb wouldn’t have to hang onto the ball so long. Why isn’t this being discussed?” 😑
Nah the only way the Bears hold themselves accountable is if A. Virginia McKaskey old ass fire George McKaskey or B. George McKaskey himself steps down as chairman and is replaced with someone more competent with football knowledge. Until then, I don’t want to hear that shit 🐻💯
I'm sorry that's what fans are supposed to do regardless we're supposed to get excited about our team we're not supposed to be so encapsulated in what goes on in the front office that we forget that we're fast and not general managers team presidents and owners analytics have took over the game when we experience or worrying about things that we should not be worrying about in my opinion we're fans half of us don't even go to games what are you doing a little too much you criticizing the players in the front office and stuff and not really knowing what's going on because we get bits and pieces and fake stories from the media and we instantly believe a story that someone who is quote-unquote a credible source in the media who has lied plenty of times before but yet we'll take that word before we take the word other people who are actually working for the team in question
It’s not “weird” to call Caleb out on things we saw before he was drafted. And saying “I saw XYZ before he was drafted and knew it wouldn’t be right” is fine because you saw it. I think someone unable to hear that is a weirdo. Dude is playing like shit and yall wanted him. Now you gotta eat it. Deal with it
I think someone who didn't process what was said is a weirdo because where did I said it was weird to call him out on the things he wasn't doing? I actually said the opposite of that multiple times... Comprehension is hard for you when you're triggered huh. Hit dogs bark. You're not very smart deal with it
Hard pass on Cliff Kingsbury... He's continued to fail upward way too many times... I'd prefer they hire someone like Brian Flores or Vrabel if he doesn't got to New England, then pair them with a offensive head coach who has been fired but was a good OC like Frank Reich or Peterson in Jacksonville.
Poles is the worst GM in bears history has 2 most loosing teams in bears history …busted coaches , treads , draft pick ..all the rumours how stupid he is and they keep him and let him mess up again ….😂😂😂😂😂bears are so bears …George is a joke ? Fire poles
Kingsbury would be a mistake. He lost the locker room when he was in Arizona
also, he always looks good early in the season and then every single year he gets figured out. i remember when kyler murray was looking like an mvp candidate in the early-mid part of the year with kingsbury a couple times and then they fell off a cliff. the same thing has happened with jayden daniels. he is not a good coach.
Yeah I just feel he's too one sided as a HC. He was like eberflus in a sense, just a glorified coordinator. Unfortunately the man for the job was harbaugh. Would of been perfect for caleb and the team at the same time.
Have to get a coach that can attach to caleb this way if we lose an OC (due to success) we keep the foundation intact. I say ben Johnson because his creativity and understanding of what the offense needs to produce impresses me. Just not sure of how he can be a general of a team.
They talk about a leader of men but that's wrong. If men need leaders then they're not men because a man will lead himself if he has integrity. What we need is a general that can help create the best situation and demand the best of the man. We need our napoleon.
This BS about a “leader of men”is such a bunch of overblown nonsense. If the coach doesn’t know how to put the players in the best position to be able to play fast then he will never be a leader. The best coach is a winner…that is who the players are going to FOLLOW…PERIOD!!!
Well when you have a HOF QB thats one of the announcers of the game point out situations where Caleb had receivers open and didn't pull the trigger, that let's you know some of the Offensive struggles have been on him. Yes, I have no problem admitting that but we all know Offensive Line, Play calling and Head Coaching have definitely been an issue too!
It's multiple things that are true at once. It's Caleb, it's the Oline, it's the WR knowing what they're doing and lack of effort, it's coaching, All the coaches. People are narrow minded if they blame EVERYTHING on ONE guy.
Excellent show Haize, thank you
I think its more of CW being humbled than losing confidence in his abilities. I think he believes he will be a great QB but it won't be via the blueprint he came into the league with. Experiencing this downward spiral can be good for the next season cause there are certain red flags he can identify and now hopefully have a stronger voice to not just point them out but have the management and coaches make the correct changes to address them. The one thing Caleb will have to do that Justin couldn't do that good was thread the needle of criticism of the mistakes without sounding like he is just being a complainer or difficult player.
Facts. You are spot on about alot of these supposed Bear's fans. Many want Caleb to fail so bad because of their love for Justin. I liked Justin also but I'm a Bear's fan before a player fan. Most of these ppl are delusional as hell!
So true my friend
I'm with you Haize - I will believe the W-column - only stat that holds any truth
I'm so glad you said it. So many Bears fans want Caleb to fail just so they can say " I was right" it's sad so sad.
They need a head coach who balls to tell management what’s up
That's not happening. Remember the Mckaskey's trying to protect the brand as being a respectable organization outside of the football operations.
Background 🔥 big dawg
And the wide receiver drop a lot of passes as well don’t forget them
I'm with you on fans and the media having too high of expectations on Caleb and thinking he wouldn't need to develop. But the sad part in all of this is that if you look at the decision to hang on the Eberflus as well as the hiring of Shane Waldron, not to mention putting together a descent OL to protect the QB, I think the biggest culprit in believing in all the hype and thinking you could just drop a QB in here and fix everything may be Ryan Poles.
The play calling is a bit strange at times as well. All the receivers all stacked up in routes. Every defender in the area it looks ridiculous.
we need an offensive minded head coach. i hate the idea of having to get the coordinator right, and then if that coordinator does well, they're gone for a head coaching job and we're back to square one again. most likely scenario though is that we don't even get the coordinator right. caleb and the offense need continuity over the course of a couple of years and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't, but you have to figure out if it will work. right now it's impossible to evaluate because of the coaching chaos and how this season has gone.
Fix the coaching will help fix the mistakes and a few little things going the right way can change a hole game to win, the add wins like this year where over 5 games this year are wins we missed making players feel bad. I see good things could have happened, one play changes games
It's definitely a combination.And I wasn't a "Caleb" guy.
Was saying it from the beginning that I wamted CW to push it a lil more, be risky with the biscuit. Now he's in this weird spot where he feels like a pick is devastating. Its a part of the game.
Accountable? That'll be the day!
I had no expectations going into this season. So I have no disappointment for this year. The Broncos and Commanders are winning with rookie QB'S. Oh yeah, they were drafted after Caleb.
caleb has all the skills he just needs better coaching to teach him how to read the field faster that is things that are learnable
I knew the "generational" tag was BS! I also knew that picking him 😂would set us back 3 yrs. minimum because I SAW him play at USC and watched him crumble when the chips were down! He was going to be like every other rookie QB with special talent.
Get your goofy ass outta here
IF they can FINALLY get the GM and coach right….that would be helpful
I'm sorry I just think that's what a fan supposed to do just be blindly optimistic and you go with the flows of a season year to year that's what makes it worth the while as you go through several years of your team just being garbage and then win the super bowl
Caleb is a champ
Haize…calm down, most people watching podcasts need an outlet because they lack confidence. Please keep your composure and talk to your followers like me that know everything is not as bad or good as it may seem and know something about FOOTBALL!!!
Im not listening to the hype either until proven, I also drank the kool-aide this year, what a joke
Couldn't agree more witchu haize Caleb Williams has been great and terrible as well in different situations this year even in a dismal ass season he broke all Chicago Bears quarterbacks statistics gotta keep showing development and progression just need to refine some things and upgrade the line in a meaningful aspect
and ima tell u where all this came from everything comes from somewhere but that int thing came from jay cutler he came here with that gunslinger mentality and it stuck and then greenbay helped it by talking about jay and his ints and then mitch came and he was a lil better but he still had a int problem but it was from reading defenses not gunslinger and then justin came and he vowed to take care of the ball and he had the reading defense problem and he was interception prone and now caleb is up and he come and now he vows to stop the ints but now he so cautious with it because he dont want to be lableld with the rest of them so he not taking chances he scared to pull the trigger so this is where all this int thang came from jay cutty started it
Sooo does this mean Ryan Poles is firing himself?
I think we forget that the sports analyst is entertainment there ain't a right or wrong way to build a team but it's more entertaining to get the fan base up in the uproar because we still haven't realized the main people that be talking don't know what the fuck they be talking about they just want to get a rise out of the Chicago bears fan base probably the biggest fan base in the NFL and obviously he hated fan base
Looking from the outside (I'm not a Bears fan) this organization failed Caleb by not being 100% sold on the Head Coach (if they were he would still be there and not fired mid-season) at the start of the 2025 season Caleb will be on his 3rd HC and 3rd OC and any true football fan knows that is a recipe for disaster. The 2nd issue was the media hype - Caleb has been touted as the No. 1 pick since he was a Freshman (Colin Cowherd said it while he was at Oklahoma) and this "generational talent, next Mahomes" label was simply not fair to the kid and you can tell Caleb is rattled I just hope these last 3 games don't kill this kid before he gets started. We have seen this QB story before unfortunately..
Look at rookie qb stats over past decade even longer c.williams isn't bad especially with all the cahos does he need to improve yes what rookie don't get a qb so God damn protection!!!!!
Just like all the other teams in Chicago ownership has to stay out of it until mccaskey learns this nothing is gonna go right A good example is Jerry Jones in Dallas but the difference is Jones is a Fann mccaskey isn't
What decisions do we KNOW McCaskey has made in the last 2 years? Is he an idiot? Yes, but blame him for what we know he has done, not for decisions he might have maybe made.
Dont forget our receivers end up right next to each other throughout their routes which is some junior high football bullshit. Its still waldrons system and its broke as fuck
I’m not sure what their is to gain by playing Caleb these final 3 games??
It’d be entirely diff if the bears started out slow and then gradually started to intermittently play better. But that’s not the case.
I’d sit the kid.
Explain to him how important he, and his health are to the franchise.
Let him watch the final 3 weeks.
Get your new HC/OC situated.
And start fresh next year.
The boi not losing confidence. He just frustrated. Anybody would be.
Why doent national media talk about the lack of talent on o line over past decade lol
Really? The Bears have become a cream puff organization. We are the least physical team in the NFL. Ryan Poles is the worst GM in all of pro football including arena league, USFL& WFL. Poles will have the bears drafting top 8 EVERY year. Our fanbase is delusional. The bears front office is dysfunctional
Yeah this whole post is reactionary cry baby nonsense
Only person delusional is YOU
I hope they don't have kittens. The alimony alone is going to set him back. That's what he gets for thinking he could slide on down the way. Probably thought the rain would cover up the scent.
So when it comes to Caleb Williams holding the ball a little too long can we also look objectively added to that the receivers get held way too much and way too often and there's no calls like we saw the same stuff with Justin fields and no one wanted to point out the fact that his receivers get healed a lot Mark Sanchez I believe that was on the Arizona game pointed that out in the first quarter that the receivers was getting held and the referee wasn't calling nothing and they just going to keep holding the receivers I'm not saying it's an excuse but it factors in a lot in my opinion especially when the media wants to say oh he holds the ball too long we're almost here in the same thing they were saying about Justin fields
Not an excuse ??
“But if it wasn’t for all the unfair play going unpenalized, then Caleb wouldn’t have to hang onto the ball so long. Why isn’t this being
discussed?”
😑
Nah the only way the Bears hold themselves accountable is if A. Virginia McKaskey old ass fire George McKaskey or B. George McKaskey himself steps down as chairman and is replaced with someone more competent with football knowledge. Until then, I don’t want to hear that shit 🐻💯
The problem is the McCaskeys
All these names for HC surfacing is typical of Poles. He misdirects and shuffles shit to add drama and keep any info coming out at rumor level.
I'm sorry that's what fans are supposed to do regardless we're supposed to get excited about our team we're not supposed to be so encapsulated in what goes on in the front office that we forget that we're fast and not general managers team presidents and owners analytics have took over the game when we experience or worrying about things that we should not be worrying about in my opinion we're fans half of us don't even go to games what are you doing a little too much you criticizing the players in the front office and stuff and not really knowing what's going on because we get bits and pieces and fake stories from the media and we instantly believe a story that someone who is quote-unquote a credible source in the media who has lied plenty of times before but yet we'll take that word before we take the word other people who are actually working for the team in question
It’s not “weird” to call Caleb out on things we saw before he was drafted. And saying “I saw XYZ before he was drafted and knew it wouldn’t be right” is fine because you saw it.
I think someone unable to hear that is a weirdo. Dude is playing like shit and yall wanted him. Now you gotta eat it. Deal with it
I think someone who didn't process what was said is a weirdo because where did I said it was weird to call him out on the things he wasn't doing? I actually said the opposite of that multiple times... Comprehension is hard for you when you're triggered huh. Hit dogs bark. You're not very smart deal with it
Hard pass on Cliff Kingsbury... He's continued to fail upward way too many times... I'd prefer they hire someone like Brian Flores or Vrabel if he doesn't got to New England, then pair them with a offensive head coach who has been fired but was a good OC like Frank Reich or Peterson in Jacksonville.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO KINGSBURY!!!!!
The Bears need a No man as in will tell ownership ..
I will believe bears do shit diff when I see it we can't believe them
I don't trust anything they do anymore & you shouldn't either.
Poles is the worst GM in bears history has 2 most loosing teams in bears history …busted coaches , treads , draft pick ..all the rumours how stupid he is and they keep him and let him mess up again ….😂😂😂😂😂bears are so bears …George is a joke ? Fire poles
Keep the McCaskeys out of football decisions
We?
Cannot get pulls another draft.Come on, we as barefoons need to stand up and take charguard.S why impulse needs to go he's the problem