The funny thing is when the US talks about China's space project, it always makes it 'space race', actually China is not racing against any nations, China is just going in its own pace, step by step, to achieve its own goals. To collaborate with China in space projects and technologies, the US needs to put down the 'competition' or 'race' in their mind, otherwise it's gonna always be about 'national security' kinda stuff.
There's a bit more to it than that, though. China is an amazing country in so many respects, but it is one with serious human rights challenges from the perspective of Western cultural sensibilities, both in terms of its own citizens' welfare and those of other nations in regions the Chinese hegemony wishes to and feels destined to control. With no internal will to "improve" in these arenas, any incentives in that direction must be imposed externally with whatever leverage is available, both diplomatically and militarily. For obvious reasons, diplomacy is the weighted preference, but this requires a value coveted by the other party which you possess and they don't. Once given away, you no longer have that leverage, so it's not to be squandered, not given away lightly in exchange for mere promises devoid of action. IRT terms used to describe the current situation, this is not so much a race as it is a clash of two mutually exclusive visions of the future. The US currently has an advantage in technological innovation, a virtue not exactly nurtured by an honor culture in which avoiding the shame of possible failure prevails over entrepreneurial risk-taking (especially when bankruptcy of any new venture is actively and severely punished by the regime). What the Chinese do have which the West comparatively lacks is a very long time horizon in which they plan their future. Slow and steady has been a winning strategy. They are accomplishing milestones at a measured pace, slowly gaining ground while the US's human spaceflight goals have languished. Plans change from administration to administration, with no singular vision or the leadership to commit to one compelling enough to override default congressional mandates of job security for regional constituents (as seen with SLS/Constellation/Artemis, etc). Minus clear leadership and incentives, "business as usual" has prevailed, with only LEO for astronauts to aspire to. Apart from the revolution in reuseable launch systems we are living through, perhaps the best thing to happen to shake things up stateside would be a 'Sputnik-level threat", and what better country than China to provide it?
@@DrMackSplackem I agree. The US healthcare and welfare are the best in the world. The entire history of US hegemony has been peaceful. We never meddled in any war or take innocent lives. Our people are also the smartest in the world. 🥰
@@celxoirealyx we never meddled in any war or taken any innocent lives?! Are you honestly talking about the same USA? our healthcare system is also a joke! It's all about quantity over quality, driven by money hungry pharmaceutical companies. There ARE some programs that attempt to be helpful, but there's always some sort of corruption, even in them. I'm an American also BTW.
The phrase "昨日你对我爱答不理，今日我叫你高攀不起" can be translated as: "Yesterday, you ignored me and barely responded to my love; today, I am beyond your reach." It conveys a sense of turning the tables, where someone who was once overlooked has now achieved a position of unattainable success or prominence.
Yes I agree , but then again I beleive there is also a been there done that sort of attitude. Let's face it , there is really nothing out there we need. As far as furthering knowledge goes , I think money is better spent on things like Webb , which in my opinion has returned a treasure and continues to do so.
Right, the US wastes immense amount of money with little to show for it if it weren't for unicorn companies like SpaceX that are not representative of what most US spaceflight spending is centered on. The only results that the US got were under Kennedy, and Apollo had an even more immense budget associated with it. China is playing catch-up and it is doing so fast, for much less money.
waste of huge amounts of resources. u can send 20 rovers who can operate for decades and do science OR 1 human for a day or two - for the same resources. its such a waste. moonrace was never really about science, but about politics and "FIRST!"
@@SirHefferlot581 I believe the USA has spent something like $22 trillion just on war since the early 2000's. And can you tell me what is a bigger waste of money please?
Not to mention it now is about resources and what comes with resources, war. We do have a no arms treaty in place to stop countries from weaponizing space but we will see how long that lasts. Russia already made weapons for space and well the documents on performance weren’t declassified. They did set up a base but possibly never sent people there. Or they did but they didn’t make it back home. Those documents weren’t declassified either.
The United States can’t even play by internationals rules and laws here on earth , do you seriously expect the US to play by , if there’s one for space ?
@@Targe0 In fact, the United States doesn't even follow the rules of the Earth. It led the creation of the United Nations, but its ally, Israel, is going on a rampage to break the rules of the United Nations, and the United States has been condoning them.
@@Targe0historically it's been the USA war mongering killing innocent civilians and children...and now they are part of history forever as participating in Genocide and stealing land called Palestine
Western world that thinks that it has some sort of monopoly over science and technology and tries utmost to stop other nations from get ahead of it, is poised for a very rude awakening. US trying its utmost to keep China or any other non-white nation from developing & competing with it but the more US tries the sooner China develops because it makes them to be more self reliant and grow technologies at home and hence get better deeper understanding and get past USA.
You’re correct but this is true of the Soviet Union as well. While the US got top scientists like von Braun the Soviets got many scientists plus nearly all the engineers and nearly of the V2 and related hardware. US, Russian, Chinese, European, etc. all the show DNA of German rocketry. For example, Scott Manley has a good video and how the rocket engines on the Soyuz booster, which is still being used now, are extremely similar to the engines on the V2.
and where did you get your sources for that? they were recruited voluntaliry as the allies advance toward germany and were given amnesty for their work in the case that they were affilliated with you know who. besides both side does this, so does it even matter? as truman said, "this has to be done and was done."
15:01 US $73.2 billion, China $14.5 billion But China is so much more cost effective that we would need to know if those $14.5 billion buy you just as much or more than the US's space budget can buy in the USA and Europe, which are overpriced and over rated!
the same applies for India and China space budget, India with way less budget achieve the same stuffs with much lower cost but does it make india ahead of china
India should settle border disputes with its neighbors ASAP and stop cuddling upto Western ballsacks... India needs to have some dignity for ONCE! Millions of Indians were starved to death by Churchill during WWII to feed British troops in Europe! They forgot so quickly!
@@tluangasailo3663 India has tons of cheap laborers but does not have the supply chains or materials production or technology that are present in China... They'd have to import everything from China, which will just take away the savings in labor costs and make the whole operation more ineffective and costly! Let alone the quality of labor. Apple tried it and got burned.
Space exploration shouldn't be a competition but a cooperation. But humanity, ie their leadership, is too selfish to work together for the greater good of all of us.
That's right -- it will remain like that at the very least until we've established ourselves in space. A perspective shift is needed. And in the meanwhile, you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. And in that world, technological competition drives us to greater heights than cooperation.
@@skycloud4802 China is always open to cooperation. It has proposed exchanging moon samples with the US, but the US refused. According to US regulations, NASA cannot cooperate with Chinese entities. The US government has implemented lots of rules targeting China, such as 10043, which bans most PhD students and researchers from top Chinese universities in the STEM fields from receiving US visas. Before 2020, nearly half of the STEM PhD students in US universities were Chinese, but now top Chinese students prefer to stay in their own country. Additionally, China is the only country in the world with its own space station because Western countries like the United States prohibit Chinese nationals from entering their "international" space station.
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause When China leads: should cooperate. How hypocritical do you have to be?
Communism, covid, microplastics, ethnic cleansing, air pollution, rampant ip theft, involuntary organ harvesting, exploitation of poor nations through the belt and road initiative, human rights violations, disregard for international law, disregard for international Court rulings, continuous violation of the sovereignty of its weaker neighbors, cyber crime, constant interference in foreign elections, a steady stream of outwardly aimed propaganda, currency and global market manipulation....these are just a few things china has been involved in , in just the last 20 years. It is justifiable in every sense to distrust and dislike the cop. They have no defense.
I understand that history and competition often drive innovation, but we must question whether this path will lead us to the stars or result in our own destruction. It’s also a reminder of the unshakable evolutionary baggage we carry. Only time will reveal where this leads us. I remain optimistic but our current trajectory raises some concerns.
The press tells you day and night about the starvation made by Mao. Forgetting totally the starvation made by the British empire that killed 100 million people in India and all over the world. All these Imperial wars made Britain very rich and the British people loving its Queen and King so much that they could afford to have unarmed city police man.
China’s dominance in most fields is practically an inevitability, given the size of their population and access to resources. There will come a time when isolating them from shared western technologies simply becomes counterproductive and results in western self isolation. Given the West’s reliance on commerce, self isolation isn’t likely to last long.
Also picking up a fight for no good reason is not a good thing in the long term. USA is doing exactly that. China was banned from international space programme. But they didn't whined, but worked on it for themselves. Now they are the most advanced and resourceful in this field and no country can dictate what to do.
If your theory is right, india will dominant the world, not china. India not only have people more than china, western countries are not banning tech from india like that they did in china
@ You might be right. But I don’t think that India has China’s resources and historically India has not been very good at making the most of its home grown talent. Many of whom are held back by its cast system. But hopefully that can change, it’s a great nation.
"Let me kmow what you think" I thoroughly emjoy your ACTUAL middle of the road take. This and other episodes have been perfectly done. The exact opposite of propaganda, that weve sadly been accustomed to.
100% same. I was honestly expecting the typical kind of fearmongering about what the so-called "communist party" did or would do, so getting a straightforward, fact-focused reporting of the history and current events was really refreshing.
14:50 NO! The best outcome is absolutely NOT stopping the competition. The last time we focused everything on 'cooperation' in space, we did managed to get a single space station, but then we had nearly 20 years of utter industry stagnation likely driven by some amount of malice. DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN!
Getting to moon is 60s was just political stunt. It was so insanely expensive that had little future purpose. What it really did is spur technology on Earth. Now it's far cheaper. The real drive that will cause the drive is what they find on Mars and the Moon.
A lot of that has to do with the Cold War ending but it’s clear there is a new Cold War so I wouldn’t worry about lack of funds as much. We just need politicians to feel threatened again… any day now.
Competition results in accomplishments. Cooperation results in committees... Without competition, NASA has been sitting back on its laurels. It's nice to see a new contender to humanity's exploration of the universe.
@@Jake1702 competition is only needed because politicians do nlt value science unless they fear of missing out. It is a flaw of the political system to need an incentive based on insecurity and fear. Funding should be persistent regardless of competition and political landscape.
Anyone who's read Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" knows that whoever controls the Moon is also capable of making a truly terrifying kinetic weapon even more destructive than the biggest nukes.
@@anzov1n For starters, the yield of the warhead you would need to vaporize an incoming house-sized chunk of Moon rock would be orders of magnitude larger than that of your typical anti-missile missile. It would _definitely_ alter the strategic equation.
@@damonroberts7372 In some ways it may be harder to intercept (in other ways potentially easier) a big extra-orbital object but, even currently, there is no reliable way to intercept ICBMs at scale. Introducing yet another way to deliver destruction is completely unnecessary and doesn't alter the strategic equation in a meaningful way. For a sci-fi concept its definitely plausible and interesting, no argument there.
@@anzov1n So you say. Deflecting a rogue rock from the asteroid belt is one thing (and even then we only have "proof of concept"). Deflecting one intentionally propelled from the lunar surface is quite another. I know that such a scenario is likely decades from being technically feasible... but let me be clear... I know what the PRC is doing right now in the Asia-Pacific, and in Antarctica, and I _do not_ trust their ambitions, down here on Earth, or in space. The US in particular would be foolish to dismiss the possibility.
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Don't know if you noticed, but the U.S. Intelligence Agencies are having a current credibility problem, with all the mal-information that they've been putting out the last decade or two.
Global warming is far from the existential threat the far left makes it out to be. The world will adapt to the change just as it always has. There's been far more extreme heating and cooling periods and life goes on just as it always has.
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause When China leads: should cooperate. How hypocritical do you have to be?
Scientists the world over are mostly interested in mutual cooperation for the discovery of the secrets of nature. Politicians, on the other hand, are more interested in mutual conflict for the discovery of weaknesses in their opposition.
I appreciate hearing about advances in space technology, science, and exploration irrespective of the nation funding it. 95% of the world does not live in the USA, but a majority of the content on youtube is about NASA with occasional reference to ESA. Please produce more content like this covering the wider space community
I wonder why the majority of content on TH-cam is about NASA? It’s almost like they’ve had the majority of successful space missions or something…weird 😂
Why is there the need to be worried? China's space ambition will be for the good of humanity and NOT for self serving dominance 🤷♂️ They're proud of what they've achieved but never boastful.
I feel like the whole cost discrepancy argument lacks the context that us Americans are ravaged by the military industrial complex for our advanced technologies while China’s efforts are all in house, state owned for efficiency (achieved or not ) , not necessarily profit
Considering how advanced the Tiangong is, and how quickly China is advancing while NASA languishes in private contract deals, falling further and further behind schedule, I think the best outcome would definitely be for the US to provide its intel to China so that they can actually get the results we all want or maybe even need. On the other hand, it would be necessary for China to open up about their processes and results, which they may be reluctant to do. It certainly feels like national/governmental priorities are holding back the scientific advancement of all humanity in this regard.
It is the United States' legislation that prevents the cooperation between United States and China in the space tech & research. In 2013, the United States even refused to issue visas to Chinese aerospace experts to participate in the International Astronautical Congress held in the United States. To blame China is unwilling to cooperate is disingenuous and immoral.
The United States prohibits cooperation with China and imposes sanctions and blockades on China in all aspects of science and technology. When China achieves success, it must share it with the Americans. This approach is very American.
No, no, no, China's space technology is not as advanced as India's space technology. India should be allowed to publicly disclose its space technology and results😄
The prospect of space and science uniting us - Chinese, American, European, Russian, Egyptian... is deeply enticing - as much as the prospect of space and science dividing us is appalling.
They do occasionally do those too! About a month ago a video on JAXA's SLIM Lunar mission, and some time earlier this year there was one about the ESA x JAXA Mercury mission BepiColombo. The thing is though, there isn't a whole lot else there to talk about. These space agencies operate at a much smaller scale, and mostly do smaller satellites for Earth observation or telescopes. JAXA did do a recent launch on the H3 rocket, but it was simply a military communications satellite. Even the first flight of the new Ariane 6 rocket feels a little bittersweet what with how outdated it feels right away compared to the Falcon 9 and soon New Glenn.
Originally Space was for everyone. Until US decided they want to dominate Space like how it has dominated the World. US thought stopping China participation would work, but China decided they have to go its own way to survive and stop being bullied by US.
How in the heck was the US able to make a law without sending it thru congress?! I don't claim to know much about political affairs, but it sounds to me like the US is just a big bully! And BTW, I'm American. Idk if I'm proud to be one, especially considering all the messed up stuff I've heard over the years about our government. I feel like we ought to be trying to set an example of being open to collaborating with other countries for the greater good of all humanity. Competition between countries has cost our world more $ than anything & millions (or more) lives. We're all human, so I'll never understand why we feel the need to create enemies of other countries. Why can't we, instead, aim to make the world better for everyone?
Seeing all the people in these comments bashing spending on social services makes me sad for my homeland. The US is rapidly descending into the pit of being a third-world shithole, and people like the "hurr hurr people don't deserve a safety net" crowd are a large part of the reason why. :/
A dystopian nation becoming dominant in space development and colonization sounds equally frightening and unlikely. One factor in off world success is going to be willingness to sacrifice lives and environment. China has a big advantage there. However the need to decentralize skill and innovation for a frontier colony to succeed I just don't see.
One other thing that has caught my interest from CSA proposals is the _Shensuo_ programme, their "answer" to the Voyagers, apparently two probes set to explore the "nose" and "tail" of the heliosphere
A lingering problem NASA has yet resolved is whether the far side of the Moon is always dark or not. Nearly 25% of its budgets is spent on this one dilemma.
im not sure a budget comparison is a good metric to gauge future success - the US' spending on space projects is notoriously inneficient and vulnerable to political meddling. im sure we would be way farther ahead if the space budget was actually managed properly
China does have more corruption though, I think if we include private firms like SpaceX, America I believe to be more efficient. ESA probably will keep falling behind though :(
The US budget for space includes profit for shareholders of various companies. China's efforts are operated by their government much more, eliminating so many middlemen. The actual product created by the US budget is not that much more than that of China.
I'm Chinese. I think there's a high possibility that we won't have to wait until 2045. As early as between 2035 and 2040, China's overall scale of aerospace and its space transportation capacity could be on a par with that of the United States.
This could have done without the propaganda, and it's the US that has been known to cut corners on safety (though whether China does too or not I can't speak to). The Challenger disaster is perhaps the most famous example, where engineers told them not to launch but the bosses wouldn't listen.
If you compare the U.S. budget and the Chinese budget for space programs, most Chinese projects cost about one-fifth of what similar U.S. projects do. Therefore, claiming that the U.S. is ahead in the space race solely based on its higher spending is flawed. Today, the U.S. is still struggling to return to the Moon despite claiming to have already been there. This raises the question: given their previous achievements, why is there still such difficulty in reaching the Moon again? One might even doubt whether the earlier explorations were entirely genuine.
I have a relative who worked for NASA until he retired. He was an engineer and discovered how one of the sub-contractors for NASA would fudge information on a product so that his company could charge NASA as high a price as they could. He managed to cancel NASA's contract with that company in the end - a contract that was worth millions. One only wonders how many other sub-contractors have been over charging NASA and adding to the over spending bill. People also tend to believe that the high prices NASA pays for their projects equals high quality when such is not the case. One only has to look at the current fiasco with Boeing and its CST Starliner.
Great video! Intriguing analysis. I hope we can become a unified team moving out into space and building a new place for us to live and thrive. The show Space Force was hilarious.
Bill Nelson, NASA's Administrator, has publicly stated that he is worried that China will make territorial claims on the moon the same way they have in the South China Sea. China has stated that they accept the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which prohibits such claims, but this ignores they way that their terrestrial territorial claims have often violated international standards--just ask anybody from Tibet!
Yeah, the countries that the US has bombed, invaded, occupied, stolen land and resources, did regime changes, armed terrorists over 75 yrs are all laughing heartily at your international law and standards joke. I can show you the picture of US base on stolen land in different countries including mine.
They also said that about the antartic treaties that prohibit teritorial claims in the arctic but now they are tailoring them to help the PLA in through their research. Dont be suprised if we see military domes there soon.
You have never seen Tibetans or communicated with them, and you have not even been to Tibet. Why do you swear that Tibetans are not living well? Tibet is developing very well, the living standards of Tibetans have improved a lot, and Tibetans support China.
Collaboration, even outside of the political domain, is essential in the exploration of not only what we dint understand on our tiny blue planet but whats beyond. If we are to ever expand humanity it will need collaboration from all nations. Not just the US and China. Each nation brings its own unique ideas and perspectives and its own level of intellect and due diligence.
I'll just have to copy and paste my comment. Chinese astronauts are called "Yuhangyuan" it means travellers of the universe. Taikonaut was the name given by the west.
6:15 why hasn't anyone else ever tried this? 6:31 A big leap forwards! Even if the plants were short lived, they still budded which is an insane leap forwards in of itself. 7:58 ah that's why... what a bummer.
@@yuranisbismelly2830 Which is why no alien has made contact with us. They have seen what we do to aliens and they don't want to end up locked up in some dingy dungeon, maybe in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, the Adelanto ICE Processing Center in California, the Aurora Detention Center in Colorado or the South Texas ICE Processing Centre or worse still, somewhere in a vivisection lab in Area 51. 👽👾
The China vs US space race means we're going to see some cool things in the coming years. But imagine how much faster and how much more epic those cool things would be if the US and China worked together as one to get humanity to the Stars.
If America was truly concerned then they would bump up NASA's budget. Instead, it has been decreased for decades. I wonder when we will see a tipping point on that, especially because this is not like catching up with EV technology. Developing reliable space tech is very time consuming, and once you are behind it's hard to catch up, no matter how much money is thrown at it.
Very true. If the US is really that concerned about China's progress why not increase NASA's budget like it used to be in the 1960s, increase the quality of its education, develop a system to encourage more Americans into STEM studies, create more engineering opportunities, make the study of science not only attractive but financially worthwhile and so on? China has far more STEM graduates than the U.S. by a country mile and churns out more every year. What is the U.S. doing itself in building up such human assets?
That's an overstatement. The US has a ton of collaborations with most of the world. It's a shame we aren't collaborating with China but the CCP repeatedly showed that it uses collaboration to steal technology to a level that very few other countries do so we refused to work with them. (I am aware that countries steal tech from each other all the time but China's industrial espionage was at a level that was really unprecedented in modern times) We're seeing a new cold war forming between authoritarian governments and globalist/free trade countries and this space race is going to largely be between the two most powerful actors in both blocs. I do wish that it were practical for the US and China to work together on space exploration. China has a surprisingly good space program. (Along with the Indians, another country I wish we were doing more collaboration with)
Lol. That’s just Astrum’s spin on it. Which is weird, because it’s factually inaccurate. The U.S. collaborates scientifically with many nations, on earth, and in space. It just won’t be with China, because they’re thieves.
@@danheidel And they dont care and would do it every single time to our faces. Better to stop letting them steal everything and just put a china stamp on it like they always do. Which is why China will NEVER lead in space because they have to steal everything first and you cant be first if you rely on stealing the tech to keep up.
We definitely need a solid and stable permanent site on the moon first. Missions to the rest of the solar system are a lot cheaper and efficient if they start and finish on the moon.
Mars is the only viable gateway to the asteroid belt, too much fuel needed from Earth and would not be enough left for a return, much less delta V needed to get out of Mars gravity well.
Correction: China could complete many programs at much lower prices not because of its cheap manpower (this was definitely true 20-30 years ago), not because of low safety standards (this was what the Soviet Union did), but because of THE most extensive industrial system in the world, which China has been building for decades. According to UNDP, the world's industries can be divided into 44 general categories, and China is the only country with them ALL. This allows China to significantly reduce its production and research costs by a great margin compared to its counterparts, mostly the US, not only in the form of economies of scale, but also with almost unlimited capability of resource integration and mass production power in literally EVERYTHING you can imagine in daily life, from low-end electronics to high-end industrial machinery. This is something small countries like Lithuania or Germany can never imagine and other large countries like the US did not choose to do, and this is exactly why the US hates China so much.
Already the sinophobia in the comments. It's not just worse labor regulations that make the CNSA cheaper than NASA. SLS could have been finished a decade ago but it's the bureaucracy and inefficiencies that drive the price up (A price which is still a pittance to be sure! Penny for NASA!). ISRO is no slouch either and could be second or third in space exploration in the future. With recent developments it's unlikely that NASA is going to be developing many new and ambitious missions for a while. It's just petty nationalism that keeps the USA and China from working together, just like it was petty nationalism that prevented a joint US/Soviet mission all the way until 1975. People are better united and space must be a place free of nations and corporations if we want to get anything done.
people speak out about the CCP operating like a literal cartel, murdering people with fentayl and harvesting people for organs. SiNoPhObIa. hurrr. Sorry to break it to you but calling out mexican cartels doesn't make someone racist against mexicans, and the same is true for the CCP cartel.
I adore your work, though why must the mic be so overly tuned through aperture? It means I must mute and read captions, or heavily reduce volume and listen with pain and effort :(
Competition and co-operation are both key elements of biological evolution and are built into the human genome. In the same way, balance between democratic, often wasteful entrepreneurship and central economic co-ordination produce more effective progress overall. Having two major players with different approaches, funding and philosophies directed towards space exploration and extraterrestrial settlement is optimal. Thank you for expanding my knowledge of the Chinese programmes way beyond what I previously knew.
Like you mentioned, its difficult to find information about China's exploits in space, so this is very interesting indeed. With China's growing economic power and by far the biggest producer of STEM research I am sure there is a lot of interesting things they are doing. It's a real shame there isn't more collaboration around space.........just imagine pooling all the earths top minds to achieve an acceleration in space technology! Great episode.
I would not be surprised, whatever problems there might be in China they have such programs under control. I live in Beijing and there has been mad change here. Think the hunger games and the capital in comparison to the districts. You saying the capital couldn’t achieve anything?
Considering the jump-start the US space program got from acquiring Nazi rockets and Nazi rocket scientists as the spoils of war, I think China has done amazingly well - stolen tech or no - in a much shorter time and at much less expense. Will they bypass the US? That depends on the goals and I'm still unclear about what they are.
I actually prefer to see China make firsts in space exploration, it means there's a new, determined competitor on this small field of players, which should help rekindle our own competitive spirit in the Space Exploration Department.
And let's not forget China is the sole owner of their Space Station. While America is just a tenant of ISS among the five nations. MOON exploration is just the beginning.
Omg Alex this video is so amazing! Your content is ALWAYS phenomenal- but I REALLY love this one, it’s so interesting!! Admittedly, my US-centric knowledge of other country’s space programs is very, VERY limited (even though I actively look up space developments, etc. and have a massive love of it!)
Space really is the final frontier, the first to astroid mining will have a ridiculous advantage over every other country. Hopefully that will be the start of global resource sharing and not further resource ransom
The funny thing is when the US talks about China's space project, it always makes it 'space race', actually China is not racing against any nations, China is just going in its own pace, step by step, to achieve its own goals. To collaborate with China in space projects and technologies, the US needs to put down the 'competition' or 'race' in their mind, otherwise it's gonna always be about 'national security' kinda stuff.
There's a bit more to it than that, though. China is an amazing country in so many respects, but it is one with serious human rights challenges from the perspective of Western cultural sensibilities, both in terms of its own citizens' welfare and those of other nations in regions the Chinese hegemony wishes to and feels destined to control. With no internal will to "improve" in these arenas, any incentives in that direction must be imposed externally with whatever leverage is available, both diplomatically and militarily. For obvious reasons, diplomacy is the weighted preference, but this requires a value coveted by the other party which you possess and they don't. Once given away, you no longer have that leverage, so it's not to be squandered, not given away lightly in exchange for mere promises devoid of action.
IRT terms used to describe the current situation, this is not so much a race as it is a clash of two mutually exclusive visions of the future. The US currently has an advantage in technological innovation, a virtue not exactly nurtured by an honor culture in which avoiding the shame of possible failure prevails over entrepreneurial risk-taking (especially when bankruptcy of any new venture is actively and severely punished by the regime).
What the Chinese do have which the West comparatively lacks is a very long time horizon in which they plan their future. Slow and steady has been a winning strategy. They are accomplishing milestones at a measured pace, slowly gaining ground while the US's human spaceflight goals have languished. Plans change from administration to administration, with no singular vision or the leadership to commit to one compelling enough to override default congressional mandates of job security for regional constituents (as seen with SLS/Constellation/Artemis, etc). Minus clear leadership and incentives, "business as usual" has prevailed, with only LEO for astronauts to aspire to.
Apart from the revolution in reuseable launch systems we are living through, perhaps the best thing to happen to shake things up stateside would be a 'Sputnik-level threat", and what better country than China to provide it?
@@DrMackSplackem I agree. The US healthcare and welfare are the best in the world. The entire history of US hegemony has been peaceful. We never meddled in any war or take innocent lives. Our people are also the smartest in the world. 🥰
That is just Americans think. As if the whole world is merely a reflection of their own greatness.
@@celxoirealyx we never meddled in any war or taken any innocent lives?!
Are you honestly talking about the same USA?
our healthcare system is also a joke! It's all about quantity over quality, driven by money hungry pharmaceutical companies.
There ARE some programs that attempt to be helpful, but there's always some sort of corruption, even in them.
I'm an American also BTW.
They don't even trust each other.
The phrase "昨日你对我爱答不理，今日我叫你高攀不起" can be translated as:
"Yesterday, you ignored me and barely responded to my love; today, I am beyond your reach."
It conveys a sense of turning the tables, where someone who was once overlooked has now achieved a position of unattainable success or prominence.
eh
I love chinese proverbs lol, one for every occasion.
U.S. space programs are plagued by political and public unwillingness to do hard things like Kennedy said in 1960's.
I would say it is more plagued by spending all of it's R&D money on weapons.
That's where the term enshitification comes from. Corporations are more worried about quarter performance than long term investment.
The big problem is overspending. SLS is a money eater, not a viable space transportation technology.
Yes I agree , but then again I beleive there is also a been there done that sort of attitude.
Let's face it , there is really nothing out there we need.
As far as furthering knowledge goes , I think money is better spent on things like Webb , which in my opinion has returned a treasure and continues to do so.
I agree with you!
China is ambitious and very enterprising. I feel so happy for them and wish and hope for the Chinese people every success. Very impressive progression
gauging success by the amount of money spent instead of the results is the most american thing ever
I mean have China relanded rockets like the US/US companies have?
@@Alice-si8uz yes. they have. Recently
Right, the US wastes immense amount of money with little to show for it if it weren't for unicorn companies like SpaceX that are not representative of what most US spaceflight spending is centered on. The only results that the US got were under Kennedy, and Apollo had an even more immense budget associated with it. China is playing catch-up and it is doing so fast, for much less money.
@@MarWeyog name the rockets then.
ok, give me the list of chinese accomplishments in space (or really just technology in general) compared to the west. China is a fυcking shiτhole bro
China and the US being in a space race to the moon means we're gonna see some extremely cool stuff over the next decade.
Or doom. Who knows.
Space-based Organ harvesting is gonna be the boom market of the 2040s
waste of huge amounts of resources. u can send 20 rovers who can operate for decades and do science OR 1 human for a day or two - for the same resources. its such a waste. moonrace was never really about science, but about politics and "FIRST!"
@@SirHefferlot581 I believe the USA has spent something like $22 trillion just on war since the early 2000's. And can you tell me what is a bigger waste of money please?
Not to mention it now is about resources and what comes with resources, war. We do have a no arms treaty in place to stop countries from weaponizing space but we will see how long that lasts. Russia already made weapons for space and well the documents on performance weren’t declassified. They did set up a base but possibly never sent people there. Or they did but they didn’t make it back home. Those documents weren’t declassified either.
NASA afraid of China stealing technology? Soon NASA will be stealing Chinese technology. 😅
LOL
US has copied the Soviet space program to send people into space as well as build a space station.
Not really. Most Chinese stuff is not cutting edge, just derivative although well execued. Well behind in chip manufactture.
Why would NASA steal from China if everything China has is already stolen and known by NASA in the first place 🤣
@@rogerphelps9939 Keep thinking like this US will go far . lol
The United States can’t even play by internationals rules and laws here on earth , do you seriously expect the US to play by , if there’s one for space ?
The United States are the rules. We live on planet America so get over it.
Historically, it has been the US that was setting those rules around space.
@@Targe0 In fact, the United States doesn't even follow the rules of the Earth. It led the creation of the United Nations, but its ally, Israel, is going on a rampage to break the rules of the United Nations, and the United States has been condoning them.
@@Targe0historically it's been the USA war mongering killing innocent civilians and children...and now they are part of history forever as participating in Genocide and stealing land called Palestine
Absolutely NOT !!!!!!!!!!°
Suddenly?I am sorry, the chinese moon programme is going on for nearly 20 years , and the space ship programme even longer,
Western world that thinks that it has some sort of monopoly over science and technology and tries utmost to stop other nations from get ahead of it, is poised for a very rude awakening. US trying its utmost to keep China or any other non-white nation from developing & competing with it but the more US tries the sooner China develops because it makes them to be more self reliant and grow technologies at home and hence get better deeper understanding and get past USA.
Really interested in understanding how China's "cutting corners" on safety. China's space launches seems very successful from my recollection.
Step one: only report succeses.
@@thekaxmax Do you have the link to their failure .
作为太空探索的后来者，自然会学习到美苏太空开拓者的很多经验，过于激进，或者进入太空竞赛，会带来灾难，我们是比较保守的。20年前我们第一个宇航员进入太空
@@thekaxmax Report? China broadcasts every space launch live on television and in the media. BBC journalists can watch rocket launches live.
@@thekaxmax step 2: everything is a conspiracy
8:28 correction: The US would never took off to space without the need of GERMAN SCIENTIST they forced them to collab with the NASA
Those German scientists were praying to be captured by the Americans. The alternative was to go to Russia.
You’re correct but this is true of the Soviet Union as well. While the US got top scientists like von Braun the Soviets got many scientists plus nearly all the engineers and nearly of the V2 and related hardware. US, Russian, Chinese, European, etc. all the show DNA of German rocketry. For example, Scott Manley has a good video and how the rocket engines on the Soyuz booster, which is still being used now, are extremely similar to the engines on the V2.
Currently; Russian technology in spacex and other start up company rockets
Well, that German scientist only ever knew ANYthing because Gleepgloorp and HIS LITTLE GREEN MEN were lederhosen afficianados.
and where did you get your sources for that? they were recruited voluntaliry as the allies advance toward germany and were given amnesty for their work in the case that they were affilliated with you know who.
besides both side does this, so does it even matter? as truman said, "this has to be done and was done."
15:01 US $73.2 billion, China $14.5 billion
But China is so much more cost effective that we would need to know if those $14.5 billion buy you just as much or more than the US's space budget can buy in the USA and Europe, which are overpriced and over rated!
the same applies for India and China space budget, India with way less budget achieve the same stuffs with much lower cost but does it make india ahead of china
India should settle border disputes with its neighbors ASAP and stop cuddling upto Western ballsacks... India needs to have some dignity for ONCE! Millions of Indians were starved to death by Churchill during WWII to feed British troops in Europe! They forgot so quickly!
We have pockets to grease at every step
they use child slaves
@@tluangasailo3663 India has tons of cheap laborers but does not have the supply chains or materials production or technology that are present in China... They'd have to import everything from China, which will just take away the savings in labor costs and make the whole operation more ineffective and costly! Let alone the quality of labor. Apple tried it and got burned.
Space exploration shouldn't be a competition but a cooperation. But humanity, ie their leadership, is too selfish to work together for the greater good of all of us.
There should be a global space agency where every nation puts money and tech into the project for the benefit of all
That's right -- it will remain like that at the very least until we've established ourselves in space. A perspective shift is needed.
And in the meanwhile, you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. And in that world, technological competition drives us to greater heights than cooperation.
Starting from US banning China from the International Space Station?
@@skycloud4802 China is always open to cooperation. It has proposed exchanging moon samples with the US, but the US refused. According to US regulations, NASA cannot cooperate with Chinese entities. The US government has implemented lots of rules targeting China, such as 10043, which bans most PhD students and researchers from top Chinese universities in the STEM fields from receiving US visas. Before 2020, nearly half of the STEM PhD students in US universities were Chinese, but now top Chinese students prefer to stay in their own country. Additionally, China is the only country in the world with its own space station because Western countries like the United States prohibit Chinese nationals from entering their "international" space station.
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause
When China leads: should cooperate.
How hypocritical do you have to be?
Thank you for not hyper-politicizing China in a Sinophobic way. The universe loaned us our earth and it will take it back.
Communism, covid, microplastics, ethnic cleansing, air pollution, rampant ip theft, involuntary organ harvesting, exploitation of poor nations through the belt and road initiative, human rights violations, disregard for international law, disregard for international Court rulings, continuous violation of the sovereignty of its weaker neighbors, cyber crime, constant interference in foreign elections, a steady stream of outwardly aimed propaganda, currency and global market manipulation....these are just a few things china has been involved in , in just the last 20 years. It is justifiable in every sense to distrust and dislike the cop. They have no defense.
I have to ask, given the time frames covered, what do you consider anti-SEA? Or more about anti-west Taiwan?
I would have been so nice to see this as humanity (as a whole) making it's first steps into space colonization rather than a rivalry.
That is a dream I have. That we can all become one people and explore instead of fighting each other to explore.
Rivarly and conflict has always been the prime motivation.
If we could do that we wouldn’t have destroyed our planet to begin with 😅
Competition is the true path to innovation and results.
I understand that history and competition often drive innovation, but we must question whether this path will lead us to the stars or result in our own destruction. It’s also a reminder of the unshakable evolutionary baggage we carry. Only time will reveal where this leads us. I remain optimistic but our current trajectory raises some concerns.
The press tells you day and night about the starvation made by Mao.
Forgetting totally the starvation made by the British empire that killed 100 million people in India and all over the world. All these Imperial wars made Britain very rich and the British people
loving its Queen and King so much
that they could afford to have unarmed city police man.
China’s dominance in most fields is practically an inevitability, given the size of their population and access to resources. There will come a time when isolating them from shared western technologies simply becomes counterproductive and results in western self isolation. Given the West’s reliance on commerce, self isolation isn’t likely to last long.
Also picking up a fight for no good reason is not a good thing in the long term.
USA is doing exactly that.
China was banned from international space programme.
But they didn't whined, but worked on it for themselves.
Now they are the most advanced and resourceful in this field and no country can dictate what to do.
If your theory is right, india will dominant the world, not china. India not only have people more than china, western countries are not banning tech from india like that they did in china
@ You might be right. But I don’t think that India has China’s resources and historically India has not been very good at making the most of its home grown talent. Many of whom are held back by its cast system. But hopefully that can change, it’s a great nation.
@@zlnno There is a reason that the West don't ban tech from India, because they don't think India can ever catch up. China is a different story.
@@zlnno East Asians are at the top of the IQ rankings, Japan, Korea, China. Indians rank last in IQ
"Let me kmow what you think"
I thoroughly emjoy your ACTUAL middle of the road take.
This and other episodes have been perfectly done. The exact opposite of propaganda, that weve sadly been accustomed to.
100% same. I was honestly expecting the typical kind of fearmongering about what the so-called "communist party" did or would do, so getting a straightforward, fact-focused reporting of the history and current events was really refreshing.
Disagree, the video commentary oozes with pro China perspective
I think so too@@robadubbdubb
@@robadubbdubb how so? Can you give specific details?
@nicolethomas7443 how so? I'd really enjoy speaking with you about it
we need to start being able trust each other
I have to update you guys. Chinese astronauts are called "Yuhangyuan" it means travellers of the universe. Taikonaut was the name given by the west.
I loved this! I wanna know what every country is doing in the world of astronomy and cosmology. In the end, we're all on this blue marble together ❤
Some are busy. Getting more wives, others are busy oppressing themselves
Video doesn’t elaborate on anything as to why China is “ suddenly “ interested in the moon.
Great job.
Ten trillion dollars market
@@后宫后 stop releasing hydrogen atoms on the streets man
Sounds like a 20 minute propaganda piece.
Which means it was *not* sudden at all rather gradual increase in effort
clickbait title, clickbait wording
Thankyou, thats the most ive ever heard about chinas space involvement.
Hey if you've seen how crazy things are getting on Earth, you'd be very interested in the Moon too
They are the ones making things crazy here....
14:50 NO! The best outcome is absolutely NOT stopping the competition. The last time we focused everything on 'cooperation' in space, we did managed to get a single space station, but then we had nearly 20 years of utter industry stagnation likely driven by some amount of malice. DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN!
Getting to moon is 60s was just political stunt. It was so insanely expensive that had little future purpose. What it really did is spur technology on Earth. Now it's far cheaper. The real drive that will cause the drive is what they find on Mars and the Moon.
A lot of that has to do with the Cold War ending but it’s clear there is a new Cold War so I wouldn’t worry about lack of funds as much. We just need politicians to feel threatened again… any day now.
Competition results in accomplishments. Cooperation results in committees... Without competition, NASA has been sitting back on its laurels. It's nice to see a new contender to humanity's exploration of the universe.
@@Jake1702 competition is only needed because politicians do nlt value science unless they fear of missing out.
It is a flaw of the political system to need an incentive based on insecurity and fear.
Funding should be persistent regardless of competition and political landscape.
It’s not competition when the Chinese tech is just stolen from USA.
Neil Armstrong: Sorry, I forgot to bring souvenirs.
Nihao ArmSoLong: Don't worry, I got it [offers moon soil].
underrated comment
Here we see the ‘dog whistle’ being used in its most common setting.
Notice the time and effort spent creating that dog whistle.
Cool 😎👍
@ you liked your own comment.
I wish every success to China space endeavours and all the others in the world. They are hopefully doing it for the humanity🙏
Anyone who's read Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" knows that whoever controls the Moon is also capable of making a truly terrifying kinetic weapon even more destructive than the biggest nukes.
True. But I think Ben Bova's Moonwar is a more realistic scenario.
Because nukes are somehow lacking in terrifying destructive power? These kinetic weapons would add little to the overall strategic equation.
@@anzov1n For starters, the yield of the warhead you would need to vaporize an incoming house-sized chunk of Moon rock would be orders of magnitude larger than that of your typical anti-missile missile. It would _definitely_ alter the strategic equation.
@@damonroberts7372 In some ways it may be harder to intercept (in other ways potentially easier) a big extra-orbital object but, even currently, there is no reliable way to intercept ICBMs at scale. Introducing yet another way to deliver destruction is completely unnecessary and doesn't alter the strategic equation in a meaningful way.
For a sci-fi concept its definitely plausible and interesting, no argument there.
@@anzov1n So you say. Deflecting a rogue rock from the asteroid belt is one thing (and even then we only have "proof of concept"). Deflecting one intentionally propelled from the lunar surface is quite another. I know that such a scenario is likely decades from being technically feasible... but let me be clear... I know what the PRC is doing right now in the Asia-Pacific, and in Antarctica, and I _do not_ trust their ambitions, down here on Earth, or in space. The US in particular would be foolish to dismiss the possibility.
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Who is fighting? More like friendly competition
You should re-check your data about China's economy. I am reading the exact opposite of what you claim.
Don't know if you noticed, but the U.S. Intelligence Agencies are having a current credibility problem, with all the mal-information that they've been putting out the last decade or two.
I love you, Alex 🤗
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People desperately need to underestimate china, at least it seems like it.
I wish we could all cooperate in space exploration but above all in nature restoration and global warming mitigation.
Global warming is far from the existential threat the far left makes it out to be. The world will adapt to the change just as it always has. There's been far more extreme heating and cooling periods and life goes on just as it always has.
China is promoting the development of green energy, while US is doing the opposite
And space research is vital to both, now and in the future
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause
When China leads: should cooperate.
How hypocritical do you have to be?
Scientists the world over are mostly interested in mutual cooperation for the discovery of the secrets of nature.
Politicians, on the other hand, are more interested in mutual conflict for the discovery of weaknesses in their opposition.
US economy is already collapsing. Don't forget that nothing is produced in the us, including those precious micro chips that all come from Taiwan
I appreciate hearing about advances in space technology, science, and exploration irrespective of the nation funding it. 95% of the world does not live in the USA, but a majority of the content on youtube is about NASA with occasional reference to ESA. Please produce more content like this covering the wider space community
I wonder why the majority of content on TH-cam is about NASA? It’s almost like they’ve had the majority of successful space missions or something…weird 😂
@@fischer0762Spaceflight is about cooperation. There is no true 100% murican space mission.
Stop your American inferiority complex
Why is there the need to be worried?
China's space ambition will be for the good of humanity and NOT for self serving dominance 🤷♂️
They're proud of what they've achieved but never boastful.
Always love when an Astrum vid drops!!
I feel like the whole cost discrepancy argument lacks the context that us Americans are ravaged by the military industrial complex for our advanced technologies while China’s efforts are all in house, state owned for efficiency (achieved or not ) , not necessarily profit
This video proves the efforts made by Chinese people for technological progress!
中国从月球拿回了月土壤，美国祈求中国给他，中国说，你2011年制订了法律禁止和中国太空合作，打脸。😂
Why is America worried?? Should other countries be worried if the US makes technological progress?
Sick mindset.
Considering how advanced the Tiangong is, and how quickly China is advancing while NASA languishes in private contract deals, falling further and further behind schedule, I think the best outcome would definitely be for the US to provide its intel to China so that they can actually get the results we all want or maybe even need. On the other hand, it would be necessary for China to open up about their processes and results, which they may be reluctant to do. It certainly feels like national/governmental priorities are holding back the scientific advancement of all humanity in this regard.
It is the United States' legislation that prevents the cooperation between United States and China in the space tech & research. In 2013, the United States even refused to issue visas to Chinese aerospace experts to participate in the International Astronautical Congress held in the United States. To blame China is unwilling to cooperate is disingenuous and immoral.
The United States prohibits cooperation with China and imposes sanctions and blockades on China in all aspects of science and technology. When China achieves success, it must share it with the Americans. This approach is very American.
No, no, no, China's space technology is not as advanced as India's space technology. India should be allowed to publicly disclose its space technology and results😄
The prospect of space and science uniting us - Chinese, American, European, Russian, Egyptian... is deeply enticing - as much as the prospect of space and science dividing us is appalling.
haha.....The Egyptians have not completed any global projects for 3000 years, freind.
However, Americans cannot show their heroism without setting up a big villain.
美国不会让任何盟友独立掌握太空技术，因为宇宙是美国人的，任何试图发展这一技术的国家都是对美国的敌对行为。
why do u put egypt, egypt no nothing about space project
I like it. I would love to hear more about the Europe and other groups/nations who are doing space stuff.
They do occasionally do those too! About a month ago a video on JAXA's SLIM Lunar mission, and some time earlier this year there was one about the ESA x JAXA Mercury mission BepiColombo.
The thing is though, there isn't a whole lot else there to talk about. These space agencies operate at a much smaller scale, and mostly do smaller satellites for Earth observation or telescopes. JAXA did do a recent launch on the H3 rocket, but it was simply a military communications satellite. Even the first flight of the new Ariane 6 rocket feels a little bittersweet what with how outdated it feels right away compared to the Falcon 9 and soon New Glenn.
Originally Space was for everyone. Until US decided they want to dominate Space like how it has dominated the World. US thought stopping China participation would work, but China decided they have to go its own way to survive and stop being bullied by US.
Let the China paranoia continue…
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
@@Mr.johninjaxLol. The very definition.
@@Mr.johninjax oh nooooo, they in your backyard next week
@@Broodjemetbeleg Nah those are Haitians ahahahaha
Putting resources into the space program is a wise choice to benefit the people of the world
并不会造福世界，只会造福一小部分国家，没有掌握太空技术的国家只能试验性的开采外太空资源，太空竞赛是对未来国家生存空间进行的投资😢假如你相信了美国的宣传，太空属于全人类那你和你的国家就注定失败了
That feeling when a new astrum video drops😊
That feeling when knee surgery tomorrow😏
Wrong emoji.
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😏 ❌
@@Markaras let me fix that real quick
yt really removed my knee surgery comment
@@Enteropy23 YT will censor all sorts of harmless comments.
How in the heck was the US able to make a law without sending it thru congress?!
I don't claim to know much about political affairs, but it sounds to me like the US is just a big bully! And BTW, I'm American. Idk if I'm proud to be one, especially considering all the messed up stuff I've heard over the years about our government.
I feel like we ought to be trying to set an example of being open to collaborating with other countries for the greater good of all humanity. Competition between countries has cost our world more $ than anything & millions (or more) lives. We're all human, so I'll never understand why we feel the need to create enemies of other countries. Why can't we, instead, aim to make the world better for everyone?
Go China Go! Go China Go!
Seeing all the people in these comments bashing spending on social services makes me sad for my homeland. The US is rapidly descending into the pit of being a third-world shithole, and people like the "hurr hurr people don't deserve a safety net" crowd are a large part of the reason why. :/
- For the humanity-based right to be able to grow weed without government violently stopping it.
You have my vote
Ok says the drug addict.
Imagine some Moonrock produced on the Moon 😂
yup, I am so glad I get to just walk into a dispensary and get what I need AND the state getd a ton of tax dollars! win win bro, win win ❤
@@fouchi3203Moon dust
If we can not find unity on the ground, we don't yet deserve the stars
A dystopian nation becoming dominant in space development and colonization sounds equally frightening and unlikely. One factor in off world success is going to be willingness to sacrifice lives and environment. China has a big advantage there. However the need to decentralize skill and innovation for a frontier colony to succeed I just don't see.
The usa already is a dystopian nation so there would be no change there.
As someone who isn't American or Chinese, the thought of either of these nations becoming dominant in space colonization scares me equally.
So your argument is "Chinese people can't innovate?"
The US isn't a dystopian nation? 😂
@@Seeker7172 US has nothing on China. China chases the "shining path"
One other thing that has caught my interest from CSA proposals is the _Shensuo_ programme, their "answer" to the Voyagers, apparently two probes set to explore the "nose" and "tail" of the heliosphere
the USSR was the first to land rovers on Mars, but they were inoperable. so that would make China the third country to land rovers on Mars.
Come on. The Russian effort was satic and they have been going backwards ever since. The US landed rovers on Mars almost 30 years ago,
@@rogerphelps9939yup!30yrs later youass can't even bring back the astronauts from the space station
A lingering problem NASA has yet resolved is whether the far side of the Moon is always dark or not. Nearly 25% of its budgets is spent on this one dilemma.
im not sure a budget comparison is a good metric to gauge future success - the US' spending on space projects is notoriously inneficient and vulnerable to political meddling. im sure we would be way farther ahead if the space budget was actually managed properly
China does have more corruption though, I think if we include private firms like SpaceX, America I believe to be more efficient. ESA probably will keep falling behind though :(
Forgot an important then:::: China was the world's second poorest country
"Red Moon" (2018 Orbit), by Kim Stanley Robinson, is a good novel that explores the politics of establishing bases on the moon.
The US budget for space includes profit for shareholders of various companies. China's efforts are operated by their government much more, eliminating so many middlemen. The actual product created by the US budget is not that much more than that of China.
Or the 2020 movie Space Force
Lmao I love that you used the Space Pirate scene from Space Force 😂
Humanity should come before country
US should leave middle east along
I'm Chinese. I think there's a high possibility that we won't have to wait until 2045. As early as between 2035 and 2040, China's overall scale of aerospace and its space transportation capacity could be on a par with that of the United States.
While it may happen, it is still dangerous if not tricky to try to predict the future.
Doubt that the Chinese think to be in a space race.
Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth
IRL
This could have done without the propaganda, and it's the US that has been known to cut corners on safety (though whether China does too or not I can't speak to). The Challenger disaster is perhaps the most famous example, where engineers told them not to launch but the bosses wouldn't listen.
If you compare the U.S. budget and the Chinese budget for space programs, most Chinese projects cost about one-fifth of what similar U.S. projects do. Therefore, claiming that the U.S. is ahead in the space race solely based on its higher spending is flawed. Today, the U.S. is still struggling to return to the Moon despite claiming to have already been there. This raises the question: given their previous achievements, why is there still such difficulty in reaching the Moon again? One might even doubt whether the earlier explorations were entirely genuine.
There's just way too much money laundering in the United States. The corruption is insane.
I have a relative who worked for NASA until he retired. He was an engineer and discovered how one of the sub-contractors for NASA would fudge information on a product so that his company could charge NASA as high a price as they could. He managed to cancel NASA's contract with that company in the end - a contract that was worth millions. One only wonders how many other sub-contractors have been over charging NASA and adding to the over spending bill. People also tend to believe that the high prices NASA pays for their projects equals high quality when such is not the case. One only has to look at the current fiasco with Boeing and its CST Starliner.
Great video! Intriguing analysis. I hope we can become a unified team moving out into space and building a new place for us to live and thrive.
The show Space Force was hilarious.
it should be a joint effort by all countries
Bill Nelson, NASA's Administrator, has publicly stated that he is worried that China will make territorial claims on the moon the same way they have in the South China Sea. China has stated that they accept the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which prohibits such claims, but this ignores they way that their terrestrial territorial claims have often violated international standards--just ask anybody from Tibet!
Yeah, the countries that the US has bombed, invaded, occupied, stolen land and resources, did regime changes, armed terrorists over 75 yrs are all laughing heartily at your international law and standards joke. I can show you the picture of US base on stolen land in different countries including mine.
They also said that about the antartic treaties that prohibit teritorial claims in the arctic but now they are tailoring them to help the PLA in through their research. Dont be suprised if we see military domes there soon.
American propaganda sure is effective
You mean like WE* made in the South China Sea?😂
You have never seen Tibetans or communicated with them, and you have not even been to Tibet. Why do you swear that Tibetans are not living well? Tibet is developing very well, the living standards of Tibetans have improved a lot, and Tibetans support China.
Collaboration, even outside of the political domain, is essential in the exploration of not only what we dint understand on our tiny blue planet but whats beyond. If we are to ever expand humanity it will need collaboration from all nations. Not just the US and China. Each nation brings its own unique ideas and perspectives and its own level of intellect and due diligence.
For a country build on roboting and killing in the past and endless wars today. They deserve to lead the world forever? Jinkx
Fair play on what was a great balanced video. It's a shame that the TH-cam algorithm doesn't like it
not many scientist in the comment section
too many commentists in the science section
@@SirHefferlot581lol
Well according to the information we have, China will surpass everyone in space tech like they have surpassed others.
I'll just have to copy and paste my comment. Chinese astronauts are called "Yuhangyuan" it means travellers of the universe. Taikonaut was the name given by the west.
6:15 why hasn't anyone else ever tried this? 6:31 A big leap forwards! Even if the plants were short lived, they still budded which is an insane leap forwards in of itself.
7:58 ah that's why... what a bummer.
A Chinese restaurant for the aliens lol
Those aliens won't find it funny after all the humans has hatred towards each other they'd be disgust
@@yuranisbismelly2830 Which is why no alien has made contact with us. They have seen what we do to aliens and they don't want to end up locked up in some dingy dungeon, maybe in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, the Adelanto ICE Processing Center in California, the Aurora Detention Center in Colorado or the South Texas ICE Processing Centre or worse still, somewhere in a vivisection lab in Area 51. 👽👾
The China vs US space race means we're going to see some cool things in the coming years. But imagine how much faster and how much more epic those cool things would be if the US and China worked together as one to get humanity to the Stars.
Judging from the current situation, it may only exist in a dream.
The US Space Force gets more money than NASA. That would be an interesting subject, if there is any information in the public domain.
This. I don’t think most Americans know this.
Literally a new made up Branch of the US military already has a bigger budget then NASA...damn thats sad.
If America was truly concerned then they would bump up NASA's budget. Instead, it has been decreased for decades. I wonder when we will see a tipping point on that, especially because this is not like catching up with EV technology. Developing reliable space tech is very time consuming, and once you are behind it's hard to catch up, no matter how much money is thrown at it.
Very true. If the US is really that concerned about China's progress why not increase NASA's budget like it used to be in the 1960s, increase the quality of its education, develop a system to encourage more Americans into STEM studies, create more engineering opportunities, make the study of science not only attractive but financially worthwhile and so on? China has far more STEM graduates than the U.S. by a country mile and churns out more every year. What is the U.S. doing itself in building up such human assets?
They hope to find the blueprints for Apollo.
We need to stop fighting over the small stuff and start to work together as humanity for the better of all no matter the country.
It is interesting to see the US choose to isolate itself while China proposed collaboration
China proposes collabs on almost everything, only to steal tech and info..
That's an overstatement. The US has a ton of collaborations with most of the world. It's a shame we aren't collaborating with China but the CCP repeatedly showed that it uses collaboration to steal technology to a level that very few other countries do so we refused to work with them. (I am aware that countries steal tech from each other all the time but China's industrial espionage was at a level that was really unprecedented in modern times)
We're seeing a new cold war forming between authoritarian governments and globalist/free trade countries and this space race is going to largely be between the two most powerful actors in both blocs.
I do wish that it were practical for the US and China to work together on space exploration. China has a surprisingly good space program. (Along with the Indians, another country I wish we were doing more collaboration with)
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Lol. That’s just Astrum’s spin on it. Which is weird, because it’s factually inaccurate. The U.S. collaborates scientifically with many nations, on earth, and in space. It just won’t be with China, because they’re thieves.
@@danheidel And they dont care and would do it every single time to our faces. Better to stop letting them steal everything and just put a china stamp on it like they always do. Which is why China will NEVER lead in space because they have to steal everything first and you cant be first if you rely on stealing the tech to keep up.
Im awaiting the first space broadside.
Colonizing Mars is a fool's game. Colonizing the moon will produce technologies and metamaterials that will help farm asteroids.
We definitely need a solid and stable permanent site on the moon first. Missions to the rest of the solar system are a lot cheaper and efficient if they start and finish on the moon.
Mars is the only viable gateway to the asteroid belt, too much fuel needed from Earth and would not be enough left for a return, much less delta V needed to get out of Mars gravity well.
I would be helpful as “truck stop” for missions to the Jovian moons.
Eventually creating a space base or something of the likes on mars would be great to get to places like moons on jupiter/saturn
Only an actual "Fool" makes such statements.
Correction: China could complete many programs at much lower prices not because of its cheap manpower (this was definitely true 20-30 years ago), not because of low safety standards (this was what the Soviet Union did), but because of THE most extensive industrial system in the world, which China has been building for decades. According to UNDP, the world's industries can be divided into 44 general categories, and China is the only country with them ALL. This allows China to significantly reduce its production and research costs by a great margin compared to its counterparts, mostly the US, not only in the form of economies of scale, but also with almost unlimited capability of resource integration and mass production power in literally EVERYTHING you can imagine in daily life, from low-end electronics to high-end industrial machinery. This is something small countries like Lithuania or Germany can never imagine and other large countries like the US did not choose to do, and this is exactly why the US hates China so much.
Corruption and the unsatiable greed for profits within the U.S. system itself has also inflated the cost of production in the U.S.
yheee, new astrum video
Thanks for everything
Already the sinophobia in the comments. It's not just worse labor regulations that make the CNSA cheaper than NASA. SLS could have been finished a decade ago but it's the bureaucracy and inefficiencies that drive the price up (A price which is still a pittance to be sure! Penny for NASA!). ISRO is no slouch either and could be second or third in space exploration in the future. With recent developments it's unlikely that NASA is going to be developing many new and ambitious missions for a while. It's just petty nationalism that keeps the USA and China from working together, just like it was petty nationalism that prevented a joint US/Soviet mission all the way until 1975. People are better united and space must be a place free of nations and corporations if we want to get anything done.
Yeah, people all over the world are holding hands and singing koom bah yah . 🤫
@ World peace is always an admirable goal. We can't afford to let terrestrial problems spread to other worlds.
people speak out about the CCP operating like a literal cartel, murdering people with fentayl and harvesting people for organs. SiNoPhObIa. hurrr.
Sorry to break it to you but calling out mexican cartels doesn't make someone racist against mexicans, and the same is true for the CCP cartel.
I adore your work, though why must the mic be so overly tuned through aperture? It means I must mute and read captions, or heavily reduce volume and listen with pain and effort :(
Competition and co-operation are both key elements of biological evolution and are built into the human genome. In the same way, balance between democratic, often wasteful entrepreneurship and central economic co-ordination produce more effective progress overall. Having two major players with different approaches, funding and philosophies directed towards space exploration and extraterrestrial settlement is optimal. Thank you for expanding my knowledge of the Chinese programmes way beyond what I previously knew.
Slow and steady always wins the race.
All behind space X
Yes, the one company is going to save the west.
Like you mentioned, its difficult to find information about China's exploits in space, so this is very interesting indeed. With China's growing economic power and by far the biggest producer of STEM research I am sure there is a lot of interesting things they are doing. It's a real shame there isn't more collaboration around space.........just imagine pooling all the earths top minds to achieve an acceleration in space technology! Great episode.
Congratulations Astrum, you've committed the cardinal sin of making a slightly too positive video on China
I would not be surprised, whatever problems there might be in China they have such programs under control.
I live in Beijing and there has been mad change here.
Think the hunger games and the capital in comparison to the districts. You saying the capital couldn’t achieve anything?
His pager is about to expl0de
Lol, he's already seen what happened when John Cena upset China😒 You want to prevent your video from being demonetized, don't insult China😉
Yes it's great he hasn't been sucked into the usual anti chinese racism.
I would like to know more about this. As a US person we never hear about their space program, and they do a lot
Considering the jump-start the US space program got from acquiring Nazi rockets and Nazi rocket scientists as the spoils of war, I think China has done amazingly well - stolen tech or no - in a much shorter time and at much less expense. Will they bypass the US? That depends on the goals and I'm still unclear about what they are.
Long live the Terran Empire! I think the Enterprise series really puts the battle of political ideologies into perspective.
I actually prefer to see China make firsts in space exploration, it means there's a new, determined competitor on this small field of players, which should help rekindle our own competitive spirit in the Space Exploration Department.
Continue being amazing, you can do it!
And let's not forget China is the sole owner of their Space Station. While America is just a tenant of ISS among the five nations. MOON exploration is just the beginning.
Don't be daft. 90% of the ISS is US origin.
These videos go through so many thumbnails and titles, the algorithm chancing is crazy
Omg Alex this video is so amazing!
Your content is ALWAYS phenomenal- but I REALLY love this one, it’s so interesting!!
Admittedly, my US-centric knowledge of other country’s space programs is very, VERY limited (even though I actively look up space developments, etc. and have a massive love of it!)
Space really is the final frontier, the first to astroid mining will have a ridiculous advantage over every other country. Hopefully that will be the start of global resource sharing and not further resource ransom