@9:00_ the second syllable should be pronounced "duhl." It's not supposed to sound different than "da." The second syllable criticism actually applies more to double tonguing because "ka" or "ga" isn't a tongue articulation- it's merely a rebound off the first articulation, and done towards/near the throat. Another disadvantage to double tonguing is, it's hard to ascend partials using "ka" or "ga". Anyways, this is a hard topic to discuss because you can go on and on .....
@@1320_ikimasho thanks for sharing, having them sound the same is indeed the goal. It's important to note that due to the more closed oral cavity during the second vowel ("uhl"), it won't ever quite as open as the first "da" vowel. (This isn't the case with double tonguing.) Regarding "uhl" vs. "duhl," funny this is that when "da'" is followed by an "uhl," it sounds just like a "duhl" since the air passing through the change of oral cavity (from "ah" to "uhl") causes a articulation. Of course, I really hope folks don't limit themselves to these articulaions as they're more guidelines to get started on some of the differences. Lots of exploring and practicing will get rid of many limitations!
Hey Peter , An excellent treatment of the topic and it will be very useful to me as I embark on getting my tonguing on trumpet and also alto trombone into shape . Cheers , Andrew
that's awesome! there's no one correct path, so either way, you can't go wrong. In general, I think starting earlier rather than later is helpful, even if progress is slower at first. Good luck!
TIME STAMPS: PROS Double/Triple Tongue Pro 1: 0:38 Pro 2: 1:38 Pro 3: 2:12 Pro 4: 2:49 Pro 5: 3:12 Doodle Tongue Pro 1: 3:42 Pro 2: 4:47 Pro 3: 5:18 Pro 4: 5:52 Pro 5: 6:23 CONS Double/Triple Tongue Con 1: 7:00 Con 2: 7:38 Con 3: 8:21 Con 4: 8:43 Doodle Tongue Con 1: 9:00 Con 2: 10:36 Con 3: 11:03 Summary and Final Thoughts: 11:34
Very interesting topic, especially as a trombonist. As a jazz trombonist, it makes sense to doodle, but depending on one’s “upbringing” as a trombonist, that may not be the case. Regardless, if one has the time to develop both, it will only help you become a more “complete” trombonist. Btw I’ve been digging some of your content🎶
Let me know if I missed anything or if you agree/disagree with anything!
(See description or my other comment for time stamps.)
@9:00_ the second syllable should be pronounced "duhl." It's not supposed to sound different than "da." The second syllable criticism actually applies more to double tonguing because "ka" or "ga" isn't a tongue articulation- it's merely a rebound off the first articulation, and done towards/near the throat.
Another disadvantage to double tonguing is, it's hard to ascend partials using "ka" or "ga".
Anyways, this is a hard topic to discuss because you can go on and on .....
@@1320_ikimasho thanks for sharing, having them sound the same is indeed the goal. It's important to note that due to the more closed oral cavity during the second vowel ("uhl"), it won't ever quite as open as the first "da" vowel. (This isn't the case with double tonguing.) Regarding "uhl" vs. "duhl," funny this is that when "da'" is followed by an "uhl," it sounds just like a "duhl" since the air passing through the change of oral cavity (from "ah" to "uhl") causes a articulation. Of course, I really hope folks don't limit themselves to these articulaions as they're more guidelines to get started on some of the differences. Lots of exploring and practicing will get rid of many limitations!
Hey Peter , An excellent treatment of the topic and it will be very useful to me as I embark on getting my tonguing on trumpet and also alto trombone into shape . Cheers , Andrew
Great video Peter. I'm putting. Another of time into my double tonguing, but I'm debating starting to work on doodle tonguing as well
that's awesome! there's no one correct path, so either way, you can't go wrong. In general, I think starting earlier rather than later is helpful, even if progress is slower at first. Good luck!
TIME STAMPS:
PROS
Double/Triple Tongue
Pro 1: 0:38
Pro 2: 1:38
Pro 3: 2:12
Pro 4: 2:49
Pro 5: 3:12
Doodle Tongue
Pro 1: 3:42
Pro 2: 4:47
Pro 3: 5:18
Pro 4: 5:52
Pro 5: 6:23
CONS
Double/Triple Tongue
Con 1: 7:00
Con 2: 7:38
Con 3: 8:21
Con 4: 8:43
Doodle Tongue
Con 1: 9:00
Con 2: 10:36
Con 3: 11:03
Summary and Final Thoughts: 11:34
Interesting topic! I’ve always used doodle tongue more as a jazz musician, but have tried to catch up with the double tongue the last couple of years.
Very interesting topic, especially as a trombonist. As a jazz trombonist, it makes sense to doodle, but depending on one’s “upbringing” as a trombonist, that may not be the case. Regardless, if one has the time to develop both, it will only help you become a more “complete” trombonist. Btw I’ve been digging some of your content🎶
Bravo! Txs! 🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶
Thank you, I hope it provided some value or was at least interesting :)
@@jazzbonept interesting. I played trombone in my youth.
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