@@pavelp3442 Oh oh oh I thought y'all meant since release! But they haven't REALLY been nerfed. abus guns shoot faster (buff: rate of fire increased from 3.5 to 3) they have a smaller multiplier against artillery (they still absolutely wreck cannons) so I'd call that a buff overall Jannisaries are now cheaper but they lost 25 hit points. Those are launch day changes and abus gun spam still shreds just about everything except cav. protect them from melee cav and you win
@@Mistersheeaun I don't know man, 25 less hp seems like quite a downgrade to me (Ottomans don't spend food on villagers anyway). Also, the abus gun rate of fire change is a slight nerf I think - ''reload time (ranged attack ‘rate of fire’) increased to 3.5s (from 3s)'' - meaning they shoot every 3.5 seconds instead of every 3 ;)
The Halberdier does do one thing better than the Ruyter, but just one. It's got massive siege damage, while the Skirmisher and Ruyter have terrible siege damage. If you need that or a damage sponge against enemy hussars, it's worth building, but otherwise the other two are more useful.
@@vegannegan9652 infinite South African card increasing unit hitpoints by +5%. Yes. Infinite. Since the halberdier has the greater health pool, +5% has more impact on him than other units
for the longest time I was thinking, what are these routers he's talking about. finally i figured out you were talking about the Ruyters. (in modern dutch spelled as Ruiters). its funny hearing others pronounce it.
Im a dutch only player since so many months. The problem of the revolution is you have non imperial units with low ammount of damage. If your opponent goes imperial and upgrade his units he could kill your units faster than you can spawn them. In that case your best option is spawn only mass of ryter and cannons. What i usually do is tower rush (semi-FI) in min 16-18 with 30 Musk, heavy cannons, 17 ryter card, 13 ryter card and 14 skirm cards. When I hit imperial in minute 21-24 (with 2 heavy cannons politician) im able to resend those cards and make a huge pressure on enemies. Of course this technique is more focused on boom and push than eco because passed the minute 35, the other civs start having more resources and points. PD: if you get South África revolt in a map where there is any Sufi mosque is OP because you will be able to spawn more settlers and more coureur des bois :0 (take This upgrade after the revolt and the coureur des bois card for this advantage).
THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SHITTING ON ME FOR Dutch Ruyters + Halbs are just so powerful with Wanderlust! And it applies to Mercs too so you can run 4000hp Mamellukes with ease
Sorry but not realistic You would need to ship wanderlust about 33 times to get such mameluks Aswell as having luck to get them on a map Wander lust takes ages to be superior to normal imp age So if you expect a 5 houer treaty game dutch can def be one of the best civs in treaty
How does late game work for you? I find my opponents imperial units wreck my revolution units even if I ship the unit health card several times, send infantry combat before revolting, and use arsenal upgrades :/
How does a Dutch South African eco with all their banks, vills and CDB's compare to say, a regular civ with 99 vills and the Capitol eco upgrades? Is the South African eco still better?
Yes, french villagers gather 20% more resorces so basicly you have more than 99 villies if you count the banks and one extra factory is a huge deal specialy when you spec at least one of them for heavy cannons. That way you close the only weakness the dutch have in combat, poor siege (because both skirms and rythers have bad siege). Where this revolt loose its strength is when your opponents gets Imperial upgrades.
It is average at best. 99 Imperial vills are a bit better, and if you have civs like brits which can cow or sth on top of that (in treaty), the divide becomes even bigger. But it is better than the regular dutch imperial eco.
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 Yes you have more than 99 villies but civs with capitol eco upgrades also have 150 industrial vills essentially, while you only have 56 vills + 30 cdbs which equate to about 38 vills + 5 banks (or 7 with church) which probably are about 3 industrial settlers each so + 15 = 109. This plus the 10% bonus to vill and bank gather rates gives us 120 industrial vills, now we need to take into account the 3 factories which are about 7 industrial vills each probably, so + 21 = 141. summa summarum depending on how you do the maths your eco as south africa is a bit worse than 99 imperial vills. And the thing is you need to send lots of cards to reach that.
I prefer to use my headset as I don't have control over post-processing in live broadcasts, and the background noise on the blue yeti is quite high! Thank you
@@AussieDrongo That makes sense. Im so happy to see you rising so quickly, you deserve it man. Also I know it might not be your style but if you could give some tips on how to use iron troops viably or how to deal with a lot of cav as China Id love to hear it :)
Full screen doesnt really get full screen to me, wondering which res you recorded this, quality is good, just doesnt get that full screen on a 1920x1080 monitor
Dutch have always been my favorite aoe3 civ. I'm not so good with real mobile or sprawling civs like the sioux or japanese. I like my compact Fort Neuw Amsterdam, and I like gold. 👌 simple
I played a game where a Dutch player, in Imperial Age with all the cards, have Imperial Stadswachts (Halberdiers) that have *61* base attack with over 600 hitpoints. Not sure if anything is an effective counter for that.
I'm confused because he had 15 settlers! He hit 100 coin with 9 settlers then moved them all to food so he could hit age 2 9 settlers + 1 from the 100 gold + 3 from a shipment = 13 settlers?
Ya know it makes sense that the Dutch are good on the south Africa map considering they did colonize the area before the Netherlands kingdom stopped existing and the boers ( dutch colonists who were now stateless) were eventually taken over by the english
It's best to have it on heavy cannons, but then wood and then coin and then food last. But it can depend on what you need at the time, as even sometimes I too put it on food.
@@awellner3285 Yeah but if they go imperial, they get +50% to units, and thats where zerging dies a painful death. You dont need dutch SA revolution eco to hold indefinitly with +50% HP/ATK units. It's just too massive.
@@jeromemartel3916 you dont get those units for free, you need 8000 res to go imperial, 5000 more than revolting costs. Then another 3000 res (mostly wood) for every unit you use. Aussie used skirmishers, hussars and ruyters. Thats 9000 res to get them upgraded. To get the full 50% benefit you need to float 14000 resources. Not to mention the economic benefits this revolution brings like the extra factory and 30 CDB.
@@awellner3285 But aging to 5th age is +50% to ressources collection rate too which is > than his whole economic setup. The only good point about this revolt is you can get to it really early. But if the enemy hold, you most likely loose.
@@jeromemartel3916 +50% isnt a lot when stacked with the other upgrades and/or cards. Especially when it only affects 50 villagers. +30 CDB essentially multiplies your villagers by two. Much more impactful than 50% stacked with all the other farm/plantation upgrades.
I mainly play Ottomans, and usually come back to them, but I've been trying to branch out and so far the Dutch are a lot of fun. I'm not very rush-focused, and usually play Ottomans as fairly boom-focused, but the Dutch definitely do a great job leaning into that playstyle. Also never forget the Dutch committed genocide for nutmeg. Worth making sure people know.
Yes definitely, with the infinite +5% HP card they are very strong, you can have units with huge HP pools. One person on discord showed a 700 HP halberdier army they had.
@@AussieDrongo correct me if im reading the math incorrectly. But you'd need to send the wanderlust card 10 times just to equal the imperial unit upgrade wouldn't you?
@@Eggy88 You have the time to do it in treaty if you save all your cards for it. In 40-minute Treaty (NR40), without TP, you get around 11 cards before end of treaty. You can use most of them for that.
@@fupopanda ok but the. You’re still down the 50% damage boost from the imperial upgrade as you just spent 10 cards on health to match half an upgrade point. In a 49 minute treaty you could have 10 banks, all imperial upgrades, army of Elmeti/Ryouters with cannon support all imperial. Using imperial mercs in age up to 5 gives them a hefty boost and gives Dutch a musketeer unit with 102 attack, a cav unit that wrecks infantry and has about 1400hp to go with your cheap Ryuters and Cannons. I still think that army wins your revolution. The revolt seems to only work if that push wins the game. In which case you’re better to have a military revolt to give you a better chance.
He deletes them because: Each pillar costs 5 wood If you build the wall correctly, they can't walk through the gap Not sure if the mechanic still exists, but destroying a pillar breaks both wall pieces on either side of it, without pillars a smaller gap is created every time an enemy destroys a piece of the wall.
@@bigmike6179 Yea pillars are very buggy, there's also been an issue where if you damaged a pillar to almost 0 hp and then attacked a nearby pillar down the line, the damage would spread, and you could destroy a huge section of wall that way. They're just bad design. Maybe pillars would not be deleted if they made it so wall segments without pillars had less hp or took less to break or something, but as it stands, pillars are pointless.
@@joytarafder7485 The Chinese can go Taiping or Boxer (but boxer revolution is a card already), India can Revolt into the Mughal and change the COnsulate into an isolation or buff the export but losing the option with the british, and Japan can decide to wether go Imperial or go Shogunate and change the countries it can negotiate (and add or change one or two units -Cav and Inf-)
Bruh did you steal my deck ,the only difference I do is that I don’t send the church card so early ,I think I send the 4 settler shipment because I’m usually good on gold at that point
4 settler shipment is a strong shipment but I avoid sending it when doing fast industrial, as I'd prefer to ship bank of amsterdam / rotterdam so that my lategame is stronger.
Not if I kill my enemy before they can hit age 5 :) and even if I do, I have infinite +5%hp shipment as well as economy to outmass them, essentially Dutch becomes Russia 2.0.
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Friendship ended with Sweden.
Dutch is Aussie-Bae now.
And all it took was a Torp nerf...
Gekoloniseerd!!
Maintaining 200 Pop while handing out recourse to BOTH your allies, basically Jeff Bezos Playing AOE3 DE
These videos are just pure gold to watch.
Especially the Dutch civ videos
Last time I was this early, I was rushing with the Ottomans
Did the ottomans get nerfed i am not having much sucess with them these days.
@@sohamdas7314 Looks like it. Both janissaries and abus guns got nerfed
@@pavelp3442 what are you talking about? I don't see this indicated in any patch notes
@@pavelp3442 Oh oh oh I thought y'all meant since release! But they haven't REALLY been nerfed.
abus guns shoot faster (buff: rate of fire increased from 3.5 to 3) they have a smaller multiplier against artillery (they still absolutely wreck cannons) so I'd call that a buff overall
Jannisaries are now cheaper but they lost 25 hit points.
Those are launch day changes and abus gun spam still shreds just about everything except cav. protect them from melee cav and you win
@@Mistersheeaun I don't know man, 25 less hp seems like quite a downgrade to me (Ottomans don't spend food on villagers anyway). Also, the abus gun rate of fire change is a slight nerf I think - ''reload time (ranged attack ‘rate of fire’) increased to 3.5s (from 3s)'' - meaning they shoot every 3.5 seconds instead of every 3 ;)
The Halberdier does do one thing better than the Ruyter, but just one. It's got massive siege damage, while the Skirmisher and Ruyter have terrible siege damage. If you need that or a damage sponge against enemy hussars, it's worth building, but otherwise the other two are more useful.
Its also best affected by Wanderlust of the bunch getting 10hp everytime a Wanderlust is sent.
@@TchaikovskyFDR wanderlust??
@@vegannegan9652 infinite South African card increasing unit hitpoints by +5%. Yes. Infinite.
Since the halberdier has the greater health pool, +5% has more impact on him than other units
@@s0ltinsert782 thanks for answering:)
for the longest time I was thinking, what are these routers he's talking about. finally i figured out you were talking about the Ruyters. (in modern dutch spelled as Ruiters). its funny hearing others pronounce it.
since you told me to revolt as SA at the weekend BBQ, I've had even more of a blast playing Dutch! :) :) :)
Im a dutch only player since so many months.
The problem of the revolution is you have non imperial units with low ammount of damage.
If your opponent goes imperial and upgrade his units he could kill your units faster than you can spawn them.
In that case your best option is spawn only mass of ryter and cannons.
What i usually do is tower rush (semi-FI) in min 16-18 with 30 Musk, heavy cannons, 17 ryter card, 13 ryter card and 14 skirm cards.
When I hit imperial in minute 21-24 (with 2 heavy cannons politician) im able to resend those cards and make a huge pressure on enemies.
Of course this technique is more focused on boom and push than eco because passed the minute 35, the other civs start having more resources and points.
PD: if you get South África revolt in a map where there is any Sufi mosque is OP because you will be able to spawn more settlers and more coureur des bois :0 (take This upgrade after the revolt and the coureur des bois card for this advantage).
Yo I didn't even notice your thumbnails have artwork now. Your channel's really come into its own, congrats
Man, It's nice to rewatch some of your old videos. I'm missing your AoE 3 DE content.
show some more games with revolutions please!
With Chile if is possible!
I´d love a portugal rev into brazil with 5 to 6 tc´s
Dutch is the meta right now. Lots of players are going dutch recently. Even though they used to be underwheleming back in he day.
Yeah, we rock nowadays! Cheers from the Netherlands!
Dutch were always cool. Access to early skirmishers and banks was awesome
@@markhunter3533 ya but no musketer unit...weak ass dragoon unit. I mean they were good lategame no doubt but early game they were pretty weak
@@sohamdas7314 The Ruyter was week? I always considered it good and they were cheap too.
@@markhunter3533 i dunno man i always felt dragoons performed far bettwr for their cost.
Dutch dabs ruyter swag skirms
THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SHITTING ON ME FOR
Dutch Ruyters + Halbs are just so powerful with Wanderlust!
And it applies to Mercs too so you can run 4000hp Mamellukes with ease
Sorry but not realistic
You would need to ship wanderlust about 33 times to get such mameluks
Aswell as having luck to get them on a map
Wander lust takes ages to be superior to normal imp age
So if you expect a 5 houer treaty game dutch can def be one of the best civs in treaty
@@KleinerGrenadier Im sorry but you gain 74hp everytime sent - I got to 3400hp very quickly.
Please I know what im talking about on this ....
@@TchaikovskyFDR 74 x 33 = 2442. Mams are 1450 hp. 2442 + 1450 = 3892 hp. You would need to send it 35 times to reach 4k hp.
@@Harrier_DuBois probably he is referring to treaty
Love your content could you maybe make a series where you introduce all civilizations with strenghts and weaknesses. kinda like a basic guide?
1 Lakota didn't like how you called his civilization
They will always be the Sioux in my heart
Lakota was apart of the Sioux nation!!!
How does late game work for you? I find my opponents imperial units wreck my revolution units even if I ship the unit health card several times, send infantry combat before revolting, and use arsenal upgrades :/
This revolution looks pretty op with Dutch 🧐
I'm a British & German player but ended up just playing Dutch so much instead!...great video btw! Keep it coming!
Using Dutch Way before the meta
The abilities to have more factories is op. Also there needs to me an option to revolt at end of age 3
I just went up against a Dutch player whilst being Dutch. I went Age V, he revolted, destroyed me, and told me to watch this video xD
Hahaha . Hilarious
Great addition to show the situational deck at the end!
Gives my right clicking finger tendinitits by just watching this play XD.
I'm from South Africa bro nice one.
How does a Dutch South African eco with all their banks, vills and CDB's compare to say, a regular civ with 99 vills and the Capitol eco upgrades? Is the South African eco still better?
Yes, french villagers gather 20% more resorces so basicly you have more than 99 villies if you count the banks and one extra factory is a huge deal specialy when you spec at least one of them for heavy cannons. That way you close the only weakness the dutch have in combat, poor siege (because both skirms and rythers have bad siege). Where this revolt loose its strength is when your opponents gets Imperial upgrades.
It is average at best. 99 Imperial vills are a bit better, and if you have civs like brits which can cow or sth on top of that (in treaty), the divide becomes even bigger. But it is better than the regular dutch imperial eco.
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 Yes you have more than 99 villies but civs with capitol eco upgrades also have 150 industrial vills essentially, while you only have 56 vills + 30 cdbs which equate to about 38 vills + 5 banks (or 7 with church) which probably are about 3 industrial settlers each so + 15 = 109. This plus the 10% bonus to vill and bank gather rates gives us 120 industrial vills, now we need to take into account the 3 factories which are about 7 industrial vills each probably, so + 21 = 141. summa summarum depending on how you do the maths your eco as south africa is a bit worse than 99 imperial vills. And the thing is you need to send lots of cards to reach that.
How much gathering boost south Africa revolution gives ?
What happened to your crystal clean microphone on the H2O game? :( Loved your commentary by the way!
I prefer to use my headset as I don't have control over post-processing in live broadcasts, and the background noise on the blue yeti is quite high! Thank you
@@AussieDrongo That makes sense. Im so happy to see you rising so quickly, you deserve it man.
Also I know it might not be your style but if you could give some tips on how to use iron troops viably or how to deal with a lot of cav as China Id love to hear it :)
Loving all the Dutch strategies! Ruyters are my favorite.
You make it seem so easy :p
Full screen doesnt really get full screen to me, wondering which res you recorded this, quality is good, just doesnt get that full screen on a 1920x1080 monitor
Dutch have always been my favorite aoe3 civ. I'm not so good with real mobile or sprawling civs like the sioux or japanese. I like my compact Fort Neuw Amsterdam, and I like gold. 👌 simple
I played a game where a Dutch player, in Imperial Age with all the cards, have Imperial Stadswachts (Halberdiers) that have *61* base attack with over 600 hitpoints. Not sure if anything is an effective counter for that.
I'm confused because he had 15 settlers!
He hit 100 coin with 9 settlers then moved them all to food so he could hit age 2
9 settlers + 1 from the 100 gold + 3 from a shipment = 13 settlers?
Hi
I have difficulty in telling which is better pls help me out
Ruyters or Zamburaks???
Why dont you use TEAM cards?
You made a tier list with Dutch at the lowest level, and now you said Dutch is one your favorites civs? Is Dutch playable at high level?
LOOOOOVE the dutch YAAAAAS
Would this work for treaty?
Ya know it makes sense that the Dutch are good on the south Africa map considering they did colonize the area before the Netherlands kingdom stopped existing and the boers ( dutch colonists who were now stateless) were eventually taken over by the english
Great video Drongo.
Ruyter is pronounced rey - tur though. XD
@ 5:19 *To God units. 😂😂
I have a question should I use my factorys for coin or other ressurces aswell?
It's best to have it on heavy cannons, but then wood and then coin and then food last. But it can depend on what you need at the time, as even sometimes I too put it on food.
Also I didn't use heavy cannons in this game because they have Lakota who can kill cannons very easy with their explorer.
And you can have 2 factories so you can do one on food and one on cannons
your army (hussards, carabinier, skirms) can't really destroy buildings, why don't you add some canons, mortar or petards ?
Wow Amazing
Aoe 4 ?
hi do you have recorded game file of this match
Thanks lots for those amazing videos!
555th like, awaiting for the next 111 ones
South africa is such a power spike, but then you need to finish because I lost some games when the enemy goes imperial
It does also have infinite 5% health scaling potential. This gets out of hand quickly
@@awellner3285 Yeah but if they go imperial, they get +50% to units, and thats where zerging dies a painful death. You dont need dutch SA revolution eco to hold indefinitly with +50% HP/ATK units. It's just too massive.
@@jeromemartel3916 you dont get those units for free, you need 8000 res to go imperial, 5000 more than revolting costs. Then another 3000 res (mostly wood) for every unit you use. Aussie used skirmishers, hussars and ruyters. Thats 9000 res to get them upgraded. To get the full 50% benefit you need to float 14000 resources. Not to mention the economic benefits this revolution brings like the extra factory and 30 CDB.
@@awellner3285 But aging to 5th age is +50% to ressources collection rate too which is > than his whole economic setup. The only good point about this revolt is you can get to it really early. But if the enemy hold, you most likely loose.
@@jeromemartel3916 +50% isnt a lot when stacked with the other upgrades and/or cards. Especially when it only affects 50 villagers. +30 CDB essentially multiplies your villagers by two. Much more impactful than 50% stacked with all the other farm/plantation upgrades.
South Africa is so good
I love the Dutch.. cause of the gold lol.
I mainly play Ottomans, and usually come back to them, but I've been trying to branch out and so far the Dutch are a lot of fun. I'm not very rush-focused, and usually play Ottomans as fairly boom-focused, but the Dutch definitely do a great job leaning into that playstyle.
Also never forget the Dutch committed genocide for nutmeg. Worth making sure people know.
dutch seem so strong
Can multiple european players revolt at the same time?
Yes they can, each european civ can revolt independently
good video!
Any takes on Treaty with Dutch, using South Africa instead of going Imperial? and always cheers on the constant high-quality videos.
Yes definitely, with the infinite +5% HP card they are very strong, you can have units with huge HP pools. One person on discord showed a 700 HP halberdier army they had.
@@AussieDrongo correct me if im reading the math incorrectly. But you'd need to send the wanderlust card 10 times just to equal the imperial unit upgrade wouldn't you?
@@Eggy88 You have the time to do it in treaty if you save all your cards for it. In 40-minute Treaty (NR40), without TP, you get around 11 cards before end of treaty. You can use most of them for that.
@@fupopanda ok but the. You’re still down the 50% damage boost from the imperial upgrade as you just spent 10 cards on health to match half an upgrade point.
In a 49 minute treaty you could have 10 banks, all imperial upgrades, army of Elmeti/Ryouters with cannon support all imperial. Using imperial mercs in age up to 5 gives them a hefty boost and gives Dutch a musketeer unit with 102 attack, a cav unit that wrecks infantry and has about 1400hp to go with your cheap Ryuters and Cannons.
I still think that army wins your revolution. The revolt seems to only work if that push wins the game. In which case you’re better to have a military revolt to give you a better chance.
Can anyone tell me what he's doing with the pillars and why?
He deletes them because:
Each pillar costs 5 wood
If you build the wall correctly, they can't walk through the gap
Not sure if the mechanic still exists, but destroying a pillar breaks both wall pieces on either side of it, without pillars a smaller gap is created every time an enemy destroys a piece of the wall.
@@bigmike6179 Yea pillars are very buggy, there's also been an issue where if you damaged a pillar to almost 0 hp and then attacked a nearby pillar down the line, the damage would spread, and you could destroy a huge section of wall that way. They're just bad design. Maybe pillars would not be deleted if they made it so wall segments without pillars had less hp or took less to break or something, but as it stands, pillars are pointless.
Why are you destroying the wallconnectors?
To hit the dab on the wallconnectors
Since he hats them
Increases the build speed of the walls, and reduces the cost of the wall, and prevents pathing issues.
Need a mod that allow you revolt after going imperial.
Asian civs need revolt too i feel like.
@@sohamdas7314 into what?
@@joytarafder7485 The Chinese can go Taiping or Boxer (but boxer revolution is a card already), India can Revolt into the Mughal and change the COnsulate into an isolation or buff the export but losing the option with the british, and Japan can decide to wether go Imperial or go Shogunate and change the countries it can negotiate (and add or change one or two units -Cav and Inf-)
European civilization too similar to each other revolution kinda make them different now that why revolt after imperial.
1rd
Fird
Bruh did you steal my deck ,the only difference I do is that I don’t send the church card so early ,I think I send the 4 settler shipment because I’m usually good on gold at that point
4 settler shipment is a strong shipment but I avoid sending it when doing fast industrial, as I'd prefer to ship bank of amsterdam / rotterdam so that my lategame is stronger.
@@AussieDrongo understandable
This is a bad strategy, bro. You're going to get demolished by some Age 5 fully upgraded units.
Not if I kill my enemy before they can hit age 5 :) and even if I do, I have infinite +5%hp shipment as well as economy to outmass them, essentially Dutch becomes Russia 2.0.
@@AussieDrongo Haha wait what, there's an infinite +5% hp shipment? That's pog
I feel like the Dutch units are so mehhhh that they really need the imperial boost