Which LoRaWAN Gateway Is Best For Me (Comparison)? Part 1
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- LoraWAN is a widely used low-power, long-range network that consists of sensors and gateways. I will provide you with an overview and a comparison of the currently available LoRaWAN gateways, as well as how to select them. Because most gateways use the same chips and should have similar ranges, I will not test it. Still, you will see big differences in capabilities, software, and price.
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Sad to hear about Discka, always nice to see her inn the videos, it gave the videos a warm touch. And the way you talked about here I know you loved here alot and she is deeply missed.. Regard from a fellow cat person.. And yes please make a video about NB-iot..
Indeed, we miss her. But this is live...
I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you (and Discka) for being such a valuable asset to the maker community. I've learned so much from you over the years.
You are welcome!
R.I.P. Diska - thanks for all the lovely appearance on the videos and all the best for you behind the rainbow bridge.
I am sorry to hear about Discka, I feel with you. All the best.
Thank you!
@@AndreasSpiessMy deepest sympathies. I'm also sharing your loss. You are no doubt surrounded by other love.
So sad Diska passed away, such a lovely pet that shows us the great human behind that great techy! Thank you both for the warmest educational videos, keep it up! Greetings from Spain
You are welcome!
A heartfelt thought for Discka, i'm sorry for your loss ! All the best
Very sorry to hear about the loss of your beautiful cat Diska. I have watched you channel regularly for over 10 years and as a 'catty' person myself, Diska added an extra dimension to the entertainment.
Indeed, she belonged to the lab because she was often here...
Thank your for your effort! Currently I have no application for LoRaWAN. but it is used in our community for water supply.
Sorry about Dishka. I grew up in an old farm house (half timbered) and this was also a paradise for our cats.
You are welcome! Indeed, LoRa is now widely used for such applications. I thought I will do a comparison of gateways for the next years...
Dishka was very special, she never went outside the house even when doors were open. Because we got her from an asylum, we did not know, why.
LoRaWAN is currently my favorite technology, Ever since you talked about it way back when, I have LOVED LoRaWAN.
LoRa is getting very popular thanks to all these gadget loving TH-camrs 👍
LoRa indeed is an interesting technology. And the low module prices help, too...
Another great video, thank you for the detailed effort you put in. And sorry for the loss of your family member Diska, her contributions were short but always gave feel good moments. It takes a long time to recover from such a loss.
Indeed, she had a lot of fans ;-)
Sorry for your loss
Great video.
Love to hear more about the topics you mentioned in the video 👍 😀
Thank you for your feedback!
sorry to here of your loss loved to see yours up and down., cats become apart of family am dreading mine going she sits by my side most the day, we both do . take good care, always nice to see you posting
Indeed, she was a lot in the lab. This is why she apeared from time-to-time in a video...
Sad news about Diska. RIP 💕
Informative, as always.
I am sorry to hear of Diska's passing.
Thank you!
I'm really sorry for Diska, she vas really nice appearing in videos to greet us. Hugs to you and your wife.
Thank you!
Thanks as always for your video Mr. Spiess. I've used some of the knowledge from you about LoRa for my graduation thesis
Very good. I like to read that!
This was a great video. Looking forward to the next one on outdoor gateways. We use Mikrotik LtAP with r11e-lte6 and Lora9 mini pci-e cards in industrial applications and I'm excited that Mikrotik has finally released CUPS support in recent versions or RouterOS7.
I'm also quite interested in your upcoming video about lte cat m and NB-IOT.
Fantastic work, as always.
With the newest version (7.14) CUPS seem to work without error messages...
Thank You for LoRaWAN gateway info! Sorry for your loss.
You are welcome!
Thank you for your thoughtful videos. I am remembering Diska.
You are welcome! Indeed, she probalby had more "fans" than me ;-)
Sorry for your loss. She was part of our maker team. :-(
It seems so if I read all the comments!
I'm only just discovering Lora (since Wifi to the garden is impractical and power hungry for my XIAO on battery and solar power!) Thank you for all your amazing content throughout the years!
Thoughts go out to you and may Diska now be in cat heaven
Indeed, if you have a big garden, LoRa is a good alternative.
@@AndreasSpiessI'm on the third floor but the garden extends quite far back. WiFi was possible at a push but power hungry for simple sensor data :)
Sorry to hear about your cat. Never easy losing a family member.
Your videos are very informative and I am learning a lot. Will you also include a local only, not cloud dependent discussion? I am moving as much stuff away from the cloud and primarily using Home Assistant for these type of things. Thank you again for all your videos.
Maybe I will once make a video about Chirpstack. But I support community networks like TTN a lot.
Excellent video! Very interesting... since I'm planning to setup my gateway one of these days/weeks(months...). I plan to use an indoor model (lying around) and make it "outside" proof and powered with solar. I can't wait to see what's coming next week!
So sad that your cat has passed away. Only people who have/had a pet can truly understand...
Thank you. I get a lot of comments about Dishka. Still, we knew she was old.
Thanks for another informative video Andreas. Looking forward to the outdoor one next week. I am a little perplexed about why I would really use Lorawan indoors? I have always found it easier and cheaper to just build sensors on an ESP32 or even an old ESP8266 and use deep sleep to compensate for the power. In most of my cases, a sensor that reports in every 2 minutes (or longer) is just fine. Plus, extending wifi has become so ubiquitous that I would imagine almost everyone here has their home area fully covered. But of course, always still an interesting topic and always appreciated that you make videos about these things. Perhaps you and other subscribers can please educate me if there is something that I am missing about Indoor Lorawan?
PS: So sorry about the cat. I distinctly remember being inspired by her appearance on the catfood scale video - I think an HX711 module? RIP Diska!
I use an indoor gateway for tests. But others use it when sensors are all over the place and in difficult to reach (RF) locations. For example I heared that the Deutsche Bahn uses it in their multi-story building. Or the retailer Coop in Switzerland to survey all their refrigerators in one building (including incoming goods with LoRa temperature sensors).
WiFi sensors usually need mains connection (I have quite a few of them). So Zigbee is a good thing if 2.4GHz works in your situation.
Awesome. We are Right in the beginning of selecting gateways. Thx!!
So you have at least some choice...
Sorry about Diska. Thanks for the new video.
You are welcome!
I've been running packet forwarders for 6 or 7 years, all pointed into a local Chirpstack instance. I use the network for custom built sensors around my house and farm. Unless I'm mistaken, if you want to set the date/time on a device from the LoRaWAN network, you'll need a GPS on the gateway. Maybe there's now support to sync the gateway with an NTP server, but I thought the 1 PPS from the GPS was required. I also haven't looked at Basic Station support yet. I'll be interested to see what this has to offer, and if it's useful as far as moving data to the Chirpstack instance.
For your propretary network, I think there is no need to move to Basic Station. And thank you for the hint about the GPS time. However, I never cared about the time in my gateway and I always got the right time on my messages. I do not know if it comes from TTN or from the net.
@@AndreasSpiess I believe I was mistaken that GPS is required for the time. What it is required for (or was) is supporting LoRaWAN Class B devices.
UDP forwarder should never be used in production environment. Basics Station all the way. LNS time sync is supported in 1.0.4 natively. GPS not needed
Sorry to hear about Diska :( But at least she had a long life!
That said, thank you for the great video!
I can vouch for the Mikrotik Knot device (well, anything by Mikrotik really) - My entire network stack is Mikrotik, and I have two Knots. The MT environment is wonderful, though it can take some getting used to for a lot of people.
Currently I have my Knot LR9 set up as a gateway to TTN. And also just having browsed the product page for the LR8 & LR9, they both support Listen-Before-Talk
Thank you for sharing your experience (and the hint about LBT).
I'm sorry for your loss. I wish you and your family great strength.
Thank you!
Sad news about Dishka. As I'm a cat person too, I always loved it when you included her in your videos. Thank you for giving her a good life and enabling her to spread joy to your viewers.
Indeed, she had a lot of fans if I look at all the comments!
Tips: When testing transmission ability, do not rely upon "cat /proc/net/wireless", instead use iperf3 (need 2 machines running iperf). Don't use cheap antennas, and don't use cheap antenna cables. I found a 10:1 performance difference between an Rpi Zero 2W inside a TICONN case vs. an external antenna via USB. I thought values from "cat /proc/net/wireless" were determinative, but found those were false flags: iperf3 tests provided an accurate performance rating.
Thank you for the addititonal info. Indeed, placing antennas in the vincinity of computers is not a good idea, because they emit RFI. Iperf does not work with LoRaWAN.
Great video, i have a few mikrotik Wap lr8, it has a quiet steep learning curve but it is incredible versitile. You feel like having a enterprise device for the price of a consumer electronic.
I will miss Discka
I had the same experience with Mikrotik!
Sorry about your wonderful pet Diska. Thank you for the LoRaWAN gateway summary. I enjoy the outdoor Mikrotik ones.
Thank you for sharing your experience about Mikrotik!
I converted a Sensecap Helium miner to TTN, it was on the helium deny list so nothing to lose. Works very well, has an sx1302. Sorry to hear about Diska.
I also hear that Helium gateways are decommissioned, because they do not earn the electricity they use. So maybe we will get them for cheap...
We are going to miss her.. Sorry for your loss 😢
Thank you!
I shall miss the cat with the Swiss purr 😢 Dishka always reminds me of my own old cat. As soon as I sit down at my desk she jumps up onto my lap, makes herself comfortable and then starts purring before falling asleep (making it impossible for me to do any work 😜 )
So I was happy that she slept on the desk ;-)
Another useful video! Tks. So sorry to hear about your cat. RIP
You are welcome!
Sorry to hear about Diska. I think you gave her a good life. She will be missed.
Indeed, she came from an asylum and liked to live here...
Very sad to hear about Diska. Our deepest condolences.
Take care. Regards
Good job, Thanks!
My pleasure!
I purchased both the SenseCap M2 and the SenseCap LoraWan Outdoor Gateway. They are not the same product (the software features are different, not sure about the Lora chip). If you want an outdoor version of the M2, they do have an enclosure available.
Sensecap seems to be their overall brand and M2 the particular product. But since I do not have the outdoor version of the M2, I thought they just changed the case.
Aw, so sorry to hear about the loss of Diska - purring makes everything better, even nerdy youtube videos:)
I agree!
Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
Sorry to hear about Diska :(
The WIO-E5 Modules delivered with the SeeedStudio Gateways are Awesome. They can handle the full LoRaWAN Stack
Thanks for the info. I will try them.
Sorry to hear about Diska.
Diska, you were known to geeks around the world, we'll miss you. May many other RFID projects be undertaken in your honor and memory.
Indeed, she had much more fans than me ;-) Without doing a lot...
I have the RAK 7268V2 with the aim of replacing my Chirpstack server. The downside is that RAK dont provide any decoder capability. They have said for the best part of one year that they will provide a Chirpstack decoder capability but as yet the only provide Cayenne.
Indeed, that is a major flaw. So far, I did not check out this functionality.
Thank you for the video. Very sad about Discka, I loved seeing her in your videos and she was a beautiful cat
I agree she was good looking! We got her from the asylum and I choose her ;-)
The ttn indoor gateway is great when modifying it with an external sma port and run it with an external antenna. Takes 30min. Instructions are available on the internet.
Thank you for the additional info!
@@AndreasSpiess You're welcome. Search for "hacking ttn indoor gateway" for example for English instruction.
I did it myself.
Thank Andreas! Good coincidence as I was exploring adding a LORa network for our company. I purchased the SeeedStudio M2 Cap Data Only but it seems not to be compatible with Helium.
I also pourchaed their tracking ID card so we can track assets and employees in case of emergency. Do you have an idea on how to collect the data (Long,Lat) and display it on a custom webpage?
Thanks for your great videos and help ! Danke meine frund !!
You have to distinguish between Helium mining and using Helium as a transport for your data. The M2 should work for data transport.
Nice video. Sorry to hear about Dishka, a much loved pet I'm sure 💖
Are you looking at LoRa Meshtastic system? It's taking off over here in the UK, wondered what your thoughts are?
If you seach on my channel, you will see that I was the first showing Meshtastic a few years back ;-)
@@AndreasSpiess That will teach me to do a search before commenting... lol - Meshtastic is taking off just now in the UK, Heltec can't keep up with the demand for their v3 boards.
I have a few weather stations in the area that interface each with a dedicated receiver and have been wondering if those gateways would be able to also receive and handle those 868mhz signals with an antenna on the roof so that I don't need the dedicated receivers anymore.
These stations most probably do not support LoRaWAN :-(
Sorry for your loss. Now you might have an angle looking after you.
Lets hope!
2:30 Geolocation might not be widely used for your previously demoed usage(sending text messages) but I imagine this is a very desired feature for what LoRa would be most useful for: tracking assets(ex: public transport - offering time predictions without internet) and calling for rescue services with geolocation(ex: mountain bike helmet/regular handler computer/watch with crash detection that calls rescue services).
Most of LoRa trackers have built-in GPS because the location of a pure LoRa system is not very precise. I heard that they do some elephant tracking in Africa with such a method. So, if battery life is important, I agree with your comment.
@@AndreasSpiess If it's not accurate, I could see a use-case where you continuously track for example the general direction of bears and switch to GPS once they get into danger areas, to alert locals or for careful monitoring.
I bought the elecrow hat, which antenna would you recommend? I plan to build an outdoor enclosure for it. I do not have an VNA, so I cannot check if the antenna is ok.
Also, R. I. P. Diska
One of a reputable supplier like RAK.
I hope that I can purchase the Pi HATs now. I gave up on running a LoRaWAN GW since I was not able to get a HAT with EU frequencies for over 6 months.
They should be available now.
Firts question would have been “What is at all a gateway?” For those of us who don’t know it is the video not that relevant. Still, Kind regards and thanks for the videos you make :D
Many viewers on this channel know LoRa (because I made many videos about it). That is why I did not wanted to waste their time ;-)
A web search "LoRa gateway" should answer your question.
There is an excellent "PlayList" on this channel covering many aspects of LoRa.
th-cam.com/play/PL3XBzmAj53Rkkogh-lti58h_GkhzU1n7U.html
A very short introduction, one or two lines, of what you are talking about (what the hell Lorawan is and what it can be used for) would have been very nice.
It took me half of this video to understand what the video was about.
Since there are a ton of LoRa videos on my channel, I did not want to steal the time of most viewers with an introduction :-(
Thank you. Want to build my own minimum 8ch
Enjoy!
Guten Morgen und Danke, sehr interessant. 12.2x: Byte mit Bit verwechselt - aber konsistent 2x ;)
Richtig! Danke.
. . . but that (technical) mistake fully compensated by the use of perfect grammar. If you can count it, use "fewer" if you can weigh it use "less". 😉. You produce excellent videos. The comment section shows how even professionals follow your channel.
Andreas, I thought the RP SMA (F) was the later way to output on wireless units / devices, and have RP SMA (M) on the antenna side.
Logic behind it being you're less likely to drop a physical wireless device such as a gateway etc, so theoretically its better to have the thin pin on the equipment side (such as the gateway) than it is to have it on the antennas which we're more likely to swap out and change during fault finding, experimentation or testing so more likely to drop or have rattling about in a bag or carry case.
Are you saying its better to have the pin on the antenna side using the original SMA (M)?
Are you saying suggesting that so we're less likely to confuse our LoRa antennas with WiFi antennas?
I know realistically it shouldn't matter either way, I'm just curious though.
Thanks..
As far as I know, RP-SMA was developed to prevent people from connecting SMA antennas to their devices to increase signal strength. It is similar to "security screws" like Apple's Pentalobe, or those strange triangular screws you find on power strips.
@dbrgn is right. It was invented in the 1990 when the first Wi-Fi access points ccame to the market to prevent "stronger" antennas.
Can you maybe one day do a comparison between LoRaWAN and Meshtastic? Or did you do one in the past and have I forgotten about that :-)
These are very different concepts. Like apples and bananas...
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I am very sorry about Dishka. I know her memories will warm your hearts forever.
Hello there Andrea, I think that I understand that an end node can transmit to a gateway. If I set up a gateway here at home, I'm guessing I'll atach the gateway to my router. Then it can go out over the internet. Im still wondering how will it be routed over the internet? I'm wondering if I understand things properly?
Maybe you watch my LoRaWAN tutorial?
Sorry to hear that Discka is no longer. I hope good memories can ease the loss.
Thank you!
What about Milesight? They have very capable gateways with built in network server and BACnet gateway for example
I never heard of this company :-(
what do you suggest on connecting two devices that are at least 10km away, the place i'm trying to connect to has no wifi or GSM network.
That depends on many things. With line of sight and low data rate. LoRa could be a solution. Otherwise probably Starlink...
will you make a video about how to use starlink to monitor distant devices?@@AndreasSpiess
So sorry about Discka. Her soul will always be around your sensors and microcontrollers. My respect.
I am not sure she cared a lot about my work ;-) But she liked to stay in the lab.
What happened to diskka? We lost 3 small dogs in the last few weeks. Didn't go looking for gold this weekend. Oh Andreas, I'm so sorry about your cat, all the best from Australia.
She lost her view and did not hear anything. So she fall down the stairs. Then we decided to call the doctor.
@@AndreasSpiess We kept our diabetic dog alive for 6 years. Then when he went to more went the next month. They all lived long life's for dogs of there type.
I was able to get SSH access to the HT-M763.
Good to know. Any tricks needed?
@@AndreasSpiess
I used the following command to access the Gateway:
ssh -oKexAlgorithms=+diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 -oHostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-dss root@ip-from-gateway
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My response get allway filtered.
@@TheMirg90 Did it include a link? Then it is removed by TH-cam
Hallo Andreas, i can not found informations for Mikrotik Knot LR8 and Basic Station Support. Can you Help?
There is no particular info available. Just use the two links I provided (after upgrading to the newest firmware) and you will find LoRa in the IoT section. When you define the server, you can chose CUPS or LNS (both use Basic station).
Sorry for your loss. For her you are are already there with her, for you she waits and will welcome you to heaven.
Discka, please look for my dearest ones when you get settled in to your new place, sweet friend.
LBT has nothing to do with 1% or 10% duty cycle. That number depends on the channel band you use. LBT refers to the CAD ability of LoRa modems.
Thank you for your info.
😻😭 Herzlichs Biileid, ich fühle mit eu. Fellfründe sind die beste.
Danke!
Diska 😢❤
I am big proponent of "no cloud" and I like where Home Assistant goes: all local - that is why me saying: no, thank you, but no, no cloud please
Then the gateways with an integrated Chirpstack server are a good solution, I think.
Condolences from Amy 🐈⬛ and I!
Thank you!
Rip Diska che il viaggio ti sia lieve, sul ponte dell arcobaleno troverei i nostri amati pelosetti ad attenderti 😊
Who knows what happens in this moment...
I'm so sorry on the loss of Diska...
RIP Diska
RIP Discka.
Condolences on the loss of your fur-baby.
Thank you!
R.I.P. Diska Q.Q
The people who named their server type CUPS clearly have never tried to set up a printer in Linux back in the day, or they would have avoided this obvious acronym conflict...
I assume the two topics were considered far appart. Or they were ignorant as you say...
Sorry about your cat Andreas.
Very sorry about Dishka :/
OMG: this is a jungle
What exactly?
@@AndreasSpiess Sali!
Naja, so many devices, capabilities, functions... Thanks for your great video to show a path in the jungle..!
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Shame man. Condolences on your loss.
Thank you!
Maybe not appealing right now Andreas, but sooner you get a new friend the better. The workshop will be empty without.
I agree. But because of other plans, the house will be empty till autumn when another cat from the asylum will get a new home...
Looking forward to see your new furry friend from the animal rescue 😀 @@AndreasSpiess
poor Discka!
Herzliches Beileid. When you‘re making critical decisions in your future projects, think of what Diska‘s opinion might have been, which often influenced the outcome in the past. That will keep her legacy alive in your lab.
And she apears in some videos. So I can go back if I want ;-)
Dear Sir, please try MIOTY base stations, they are more reliable than LoRA GW´s.
I am looking at Mioty. However, it seems to be quite unknown.