I have the Bad Horsie 2 Contour pedal that I chose because of the different sounds I can get from the contour and level adjustments and of course, I love that you only have to put your foot on it to activate it. I had a horrible wah pedal before (Ibanez wah) that would always switch off if I went for a full sweep. Before I found the Morley, I really wanted a Cry Baby but that button under the pedal kept me hesitant. I'm glad I held out for the Morley.
I have a Bad Horsie, because I really prefer the switchless design, but I really prefer the sound of a Crybaby. I'm sure Morley has some patents on it but if they made a switchless Crybaby that would seal it for me.
Andrew Hofschulte A Crybaby pales in comparison to a Bad Horsie II ( yes, I realize this video is featuring the original Bad Horsie ). With my Bad Horsie II, I've found the variations endless. All the way from subtle wah, to screaming meemies that'd make the average person's ears perk up and say " Well, now that was cool ".
I actually mod my Dunlops like that. Drill a hole at the heel end, right under the rocker. I glue a rubber plunger under the heel, which goes into the hole I drilled. Remove the stock switch on the other end, and run a bolt through it, which will hold a spring. Now, install a switch inside the pedal, at the heel. You'll have to fab up a bracket to hold it. The switch should be in the "Off" position when depressed and the "On" position when let off. The rubber plunger actuates the switch when pedal is stepped on. When pedal is released, the spring up front returns the pedal to its upright position, and pushes the rubber plunger back into the hole/switch. Easy mod and works great! I forgot to mention that the new switch should be wired in to the switch wires, but I figured you'd get te implication. Good luck!
I remember reading that Bad Horsie II has some sort of circuit that preserves part of the dry sound in order to not suck all the bass out of it. That's basically all I ever wanted from a wah pedal - Be able to add some chaka-chaka without sacrificing half the volume.
I got the two older Steve Vai Morley's (Bad Horsie 2 Wah & Little Aligator Volume for around $60/e Ebay) the base for each is nice and square and lends to mounting next to one another, which gives you plenty of foot space between the two pedals and there is entry level simple mods to enhance the sweep depth and taper for both. Nothing beats optical, 1000% reliablility and the contour wah variation is insanely versatile. I also appreciate the minimum volume dial for the volume pedal, you can set your base and use it fast without dipping out of the mix.
Nothing can compare to the Cry Baby’s sweep but the Bad Horsie’s switchless design is absolutely invaluable when you want to add quick wah bursts to rhythm tracks and need fast switching. It’s an awesome feature and overall a very underrated piece of gear.
I own both. the frequency on the cantrell wah can be adjusted higher or lower, he just left it neutral in this video. I actually prefer cantrells wah sound over vai, but the switchless design is why I use the BHII more often
I have had both of these.....and now I use a Screaming Demon.....blows them both away. I still have an 80s Ibanez Wah that is awesome....but it always breaks down.
Once again if you are going to compare pedals you have to put them in a bypass looper switcher as the Morley buffer driver can make the Cantrell sound better than normal, at any rate it's a fundamental control variable, you have to set up a bypass looper. Morley has a couple things going for it many others can't compare, no pot or working mechanism to wear out and get scratchy, auto switchless on, no stomp, and a quality line buffer/driver. Nothing wrong w the Cantrell, hardly a wrong choice in any of the modern new wahs regardless. The Morley design is unique and zero breakdown maintenance can be a real game changer when your pot wears out in the wah, which they always do.
I own and prefer the morley. It's a great feature to not have to click the pedal on and off. I went out and bought the full tone Clyde wha, but I keep going back to the Morley.
+Sean Carroll I had a question about that feature though... When you just want the morley wah on in the sweep mode will it stay on if you put the wah down and take your foot off? Like if I where to do it w the Dunlop wah it would stay on until I clicked it off but didn't continuously sweep it with my foot you know what I mean? Is it once you take your foot off no matter what w the morley it goes off?
+Logan Wilder the pedal stays engaged as long as your foot is on it it turns off about half a second After You released your foot. so you can do sweeps. The only thing you can't do is if you want to play with for a while with the pedal half depressed like Zakk Wylde does
+Sean Carroll oh ok yea I was wondering if there is anyway of keeping it on even if your foot is off of it like w the Dunlop wahs once you click it on itll stay on until you click it off is what I meant so you can use it as a distortion pedal too but I guess you couldn't do that w the morley? I still plan to check one out though I always wanted to try the steve vai wah.
They sound almost identical. And all Morley's with optoelectric versus potentiometers have wider range and less chance of a noisy pot. And if you can adjust the sweep, you can probably limit the range to be that of the Cry Baby. The Morley's are usually strictly plug in whereas Cry Baby's are usually battery. (At least all the Morley's I ever owned.) Bottom line, any great player can make most guitars and effects sound really good just by their talent.
I don't think there could ever be a "verses" when it comes to some pedals. It just depends on the tone you want for the song. Also some songs may require the Wah to be engaged right when your foot touches the pedal.
My first WAH was the Bad Horsie. It’s still my only WAH. I tried several Wahs but dude, this thing still working awesome. It’s optical and switch less. Personally I hate having to switch on a WAH pedal. It’s dumb IMO because it’s engaged at the top of the sweep, and you have to go back to the top to disengage. Like or hate Steve Vai, but he broke the wore out WAH standard for the better. Best WAHs or Morley. They are big but indestructible. Awesome pedals.
IMO, both pedals sound great. Personally I slightly prefer the Crybaby, mostly because of the more "classic" (ie "disco"!) sound, but that's pretty subjective. I'd still take the Morley over many of the others on the market. I think the biggest difference between these two is the DESIGN. Mechanical switch on the Crybaby is either a plus or a minus, depending on your perspective. Mechanical pot on the Crybaby eventually gets "scratchy" and needs to be replaced. Morley optical design lasts longer, and is both easier and cheaper to fix when the bulb eventually goes bad.
Wah is a great way to understand the individuals ear because they utilize tonal nuance and detail that is fairly obvious.Like a tonal sensibility measure? Personally, always felt Vox was the bomb, and it was only when Dunlop started offering so many diff options and inductors that they became a player.These days like the Fulltone Clyde( or the Xotic ), as it offers the Vox nastiness plus the Color sound, more flexible, tones.In the end , you're "matching,," the properties to pickup, amp, and drive types , so the choice is always within this larger context(anyway). Always have a certain affection for those huge Morley (chrome) Fuzz Wah's(like stacking a Fuzz Face on a Muff- holy sh*T), because they were the first.Taught me all those rude, terrible, manners...
Dunlop makes some great stuff but never liked their wahs to me they sound choppy like the potentiometer has dead spots in them. Glad you like it though because that’s all that matters.
I was thinking of swapping my crybaby for a bad horsie purely for the switchless feature but I have a concern. When you're rocking it back and forth every time you hit the "heel down" position is there a probability it will keep switching on and off ruining your run of play? Is it a case of having to be careful that you don't go fully into the "heel down" position?
I still prefer my Boss Dyanmic Wah. Actually, it is 2 Wahs in 1: I plugged my Fender Strat into the Bass Input in order to get that Hendrixy bassy tone without that piercing top end. If I want a Vox wah ( bright and funky tone ) then I use the Gtr Input. I´m not fan of moving screeching pots.
I'm on my second Bad Horsie, and I have microgiveashits for Steve Vai. Morely refers to him as the guitar God. I think that's a bit much for anybody except maybe Jesus and everybody knows, he played a Tele. My current Horsie is a 1999 and cost $39 on ebay and that was a steal- seriously -look them up - the price of it is insane - and that's my one and only critique. IMHPO It's the most extreme, versatile, durable, and clean wha on the market. My 2 cents about CryBaby - The obvious superiority of the switchless pedal design over the big-ass spdt industrial switch mounted at the end of the sweep is indisputable. As an advancement in architecture, it's evolution of the paradigm and for the CryBaby to not employ some sort of equivalent seems like a big FuckYou to their customers - IMHPO
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What ever you like the most is the best. People have different styles they prefer
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I have the Bad Horsie 2 Contour pedal that I chose because of the different sounds I can get from the contour and level adjustments and of course, I love that you only have to put your foot on it to activate it. I had a horrible wah pedal before (Ibanez wah) that would always switch off if I went for a full sweep. Before I found the Morley, I really wanted a Cry Baby but that button under the pedal kept me hesitant. I'm glad I held out for the Morley.
I have a Bad Horsie, because I really prefer the switchless design, but I really prefer the sound of a Crybaby. I'm sure Morley has some patents on it but if they made a switchless Crybaby that would seal it for me.
Andrew Hofschulte A Crybaby pales in comparison to a Bad Horsie II ( yes, I realize this video is featuring the original Bad Horsie ). With my Bad Horsie II, I've found the variations endless. All the way from subtle wah, to screaming meemies that'd make the average person's ears perk up and say " Well, now that was cool ".
I actually mod my Dunlops like that. Drill a hole at the heel end, right under the rocker. I glue a rubber plunger under the heel, which goes into the hole I drilled. Remove the stock switch on the other end, and run a bolt through it, which will hold a spring. Now, install a switch inside the pedal, at the heel. You'll have to fab up a bracket to hold it. The switch should be in the "Off" position when depressed and the "On" position when let off. The rubber plunger actuates the switch when pedal is stepped on. When pedal is released, the spring up front returns the pedal to its upright position, and pushes the rubber plunger back into the hole/switch. Easy mod and works great! I forgot to mention that the new switch should be wired in to the switch wires, but I figured you'd get te implication. Good luck!
I know it’s a 2 year old coment, but the Andreas Kisser Crybaby is a switchless pedal, definitely check it out if you haven’t
Dunlop does make the 95Q switchless design now, but it has a terrible sweep to it.
I remember reading that Bad Horsie II has some sort of circuit that preserves part of the dry sound in order to not suck all the bass out of it.
That's basically all I ever wanted from a wah pedal - Be able to add some chaka-chaka without sacrificing half the volume.
I got the two older Steve Vai Morley's (Bad Horsie 2 Wah & Little Aligator Volume for around $60/e Ebay) the base for each is nice and square and lends to mounting next to one another, which gives you plenty of foot space between the two pedals and there is entry level simple mods to enhance the sweep depth and taper for both. Nothing beats optical, 1000% reliablility and the contour wah variation is insanely versatile. I also appreciate the minimum volume dial for the volume pedal, you can set your base and use it fast without dipping out of the mix.
Jerry’s wah was the best! Love it
Nothing can compare to the Cry Baby’s sweep but the Bad Horsie’s switchless design is absolutely invaluable when you want to add quick wah bursts to rhythm tracks and need fast switching. It’s an awesome feature and overall a very underrated piece of gear.
In between these two pedals is the Lynch
I bought the original Bad Horsie when it first came out. It just has this vocal thing about it. It makes my guitar laugh, moan, or cry.
The Q on the BH is much more in the human vocal range.
I own both. the frequency on the cantrell wah can be adjusted higher or lower, he just left it neutral in this video. I actually prefer cantrells wah sound over vai, but the switchless design is why I use the BHII more often
I have had both of these.....and now I use a Screaming Demon.....blows them both away. I still have an 80s Ibanez Wah that is awesome....but it always breaks down.
Literally came to watch more reviews on both of these pedals glad there is a video with a comparasion badass! Probly the Cantrell for me
If you ever want to get rid of the bad horsie wah, I need a pedal.
Once again if you are going to compare pedals you have to put them in a bypass looper switcher as the Morley buffer driver can make the Cantrell sound better than normal, at any rate it's a fundamental control variable, you have to set up a bypass looper. Morley has a couple things going for it many others can't compare, no pot or working mechanism to wear out and get scratchy, auto switchless on, no stomp, and a quality line buffer/driver. Nothing wrong w the Cantrell, hardly a wrong choice in any of the modern new wahs regardless. The Morley design is unique and zero breakdown maintenance can be a real game changer when your pot wears out in the wah, which they always do.
Wait till you try the standard dunlop bass wah on guitar.
I own and prefer the morley. It's a great feature to not have to click the pedal on and off. I went out and bought the full tone Clyde wha, but I keep going back to the Morley.
+Sean Carroll I had a question about that feature though... When you just want the morley wah on in the sweep mode will it stay on if you put the wah down and take your foot off? Like if I where to do it w the Dunlop wah it would stay on until I clicked it off but didn't continuously sweep it with my foot you know what I mean? Is it once you take your foot off no matter what w the morley it goes off?
+Logan Wilder the pedal stays engaged as long as your foot is on it it turns off about half a second After You released your foot. so you can do sweeps. The only thing you can't do is if you want to play with for a while with the pedal half depressed like Zakk Wylde does
+Sean Carroll oh ok yea I was wondering if there is anyway of keeping it on even if your foot is off of it like w the Dunlop wahs once you click it on itll stay on until you click it off is what I meant so you can use it as a distortion pedal too but I guess you couldn't do that w the morley? I still plan to check one out though I always wanted to try the steve vai wah.
They sound almost identical. And all Morley's with optoelectric versus potentiometers have wider range and less chance of a noisy pot. And if you can adjust the sweep, you can probably limit the range to be that of the Cry Baby. The Morley's are usually strictly plug in whereas Cry Baby's are usually battery. (At least all the Morley's I ever owned.) Bottom line, any great player can make most guitars and effects sound really good just by their talent.
I don't think there could ever be a "verses" when it comes to some pedals. It just depends on the tone you want for the song. Also some songs may require the Wah to be engaged right when your foot touches the pedal.
Tmidiman agreed..
That's kind of the point of comparing them, to see which one you want to use.
My first WAH was the Bad Horsie. It’s still my only WAH. I tried several Wahs but dude, this thing still working awesome. It’s optical and switch less. Personally I hate having to switch on a WAH pedal. It’s dumb IMO because it’s engaged at the top of the sweep, and you have to go back to the top to disengage. Like or hate Steve Vai, but he broke the wore out WAH standard for the better. Best WAHs or Morley. They are big but indestructible. Awesome pedals.
I had the Morley. Always thought the range was too short. Now I have a Roger Mayer Red Lion and a 1985 Italian JEN.
Thank You for this!
IMO, both pedals sound great. Personally I slightly prefer the Crybaby, mostly because of the more "classic" (ie "disco"!) sound, but that's pretty subjective. I'd still take the Morley over many of the others on the market.
I think the biggest difference between these two is the DESIGN. Mechanical switch on the Crybaby is either a plus or a minus, depending on your perspective. Mechanical pot on the Crybaby eventually gets "scratchy" and needs to be replaced. Morley optical design lasts longer, and is both easier and cheaper to fix when the bulb eventually goes bad.
I feel the Cry Baby sounds great!
Wah is a great way to understand the individuals ear because they utilize tonal nuance and detail that is fairly obvious.Like a tonal sensibility measure? Personally, always felt Vox was the bomb, and it was only when Dunlop started offering so many diff options and inductors that they became a player.These days like the Fulltone Clyde( or the Xotic ), as it offers the Vox nastiness plus the Color sound, more flexible, tones.In the end , you're "matching,," the properties to pickup, amp, and drive types , so the choice is always within this larger context(anyway). Always have a certain affection for those huge Morley (chrome) Fuzz Wah's(like stacking a Fuzz Face on a Muff- holy sh*T), because they were the first.Taught me all those rude, terrible, manners...
Dunlop makes some great stuff but never liked their wahs to me they sound choppy like the potentiometer has dead spots in them. Glad you like it though because that’s all that matters.
Great video...Best two Wah pedals made...
I was thinking of swapping my crybaby for a bad horsie purely for the switchless feature but I have a concern. When you're rocking it back and forth every time you hit the "heel down" position is there a probability it will keep switching on and off ruining your run of play? Is it a case of having to be careful that you don't go fully into the "heel down" position?
it has an adjustable "off" delay. when you release or rock fully heel down, it takes a moment to switch off.
thanks james thats exactly the answer i was looking for
nice shoes!
I still prefer my Boss Dyanmic Wah. Actually, it is 2 Wahs in 1: I plugged my Fender Strat into the Bass Input in order to get that Hendrixy bassy tone without that piercing top end. If I want a Vox wah ( bright and funky tone ) then I use the Gtr Input. I´m not fan of moving screeching pots.
Can anybody tell, were to buy replacement spring for BH... Thanks
Is it normal far it to make a little blop sort of noice when it turns off?
Or is there something wrong with mine.
I don't have the pedal anymore. but I didn't notice any noise.
The only reason it sounds similar is probably cause he has placed the morley wah switch in the middle position
the cantrell is set in the middle too. they both have adjustment knobs
Agree with Ryan Kirk.
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Morley sounds better to my ears
you didn't have steve in all the way
I'm on my second Bad Horsie, and I have microgiveashits for Steve Vai. Morely refers to him as the guitar God. I think that's a bit much for anybody except maybe Jesus and everybody knows, he played a Tele. My current Horsie is a 1999 and cost $39 on ebay and that was a steal- seriously -look them up - the price of it is insane - and that's my one and only critique. IMHPO It's the most extreme, versatile, durable, and clean wha on the market. My 2 cents about CryBaby - The obvious superiority of the switchless pedal design over the big-ass spdt industrial switch mounted at the end of the sweep is indisputable. As an advancement in architecture, it's evolution of the paradigm and for the CryBaby to not employ some sort of equivalent seems like a big FuckYou to their customers - IMHPO
I much prefer a switch. Not having one's a deal breaker for me. I'm not sure the Morley is superior.
Man, that was CLOSE, but the Cantrell wins.
Try the George Lynch Wah
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