Everything Josh says here is absolutely true. I wouldn't mind betting that many 5-string players spend more time trying to control the B string while playing on the other four strings than actually playing the 'extra' notes. Carol Kaye is on record somewhere as saying that too many 5-string players were buying them not for the extra low notes but to ease things for the left hand by making it possible to play the ordinary range of the 4-string starting in the fifth position. She also said 'get your playing together so you can play a whole bass on the four-string first, then you can graduate to a five-string if you want to; it’s not the other way around.' I've always found that all notes played on the B string have a different timbre, too. Carol thought that they tended to change a band's balance, and not in a good way. Maybe that isn't true on high-end instruments: but for most people, their first instrument isn't going to be expensive.
notes on any string have a different timbre to one another That's not something specific to the B string but literally true for any string Playing something in 12th fret position compared to 2nd fret 2 strings down sounds wildly different on any pitch, even worse on guitar than on bass Yes, you need the scale length to make it sound not shitty and muddy B strings sound muffled as shit
@@dutchdykefinger I mean that’s what the extended multi scale basses are for, specifically ones with a 37” B string. Makes it a lot more of a note than a rumble. Check dingwall bass videos for examples if you haven’t heard it before, it’s quite distinctive. The problem is that a vast majority of players look at multi scale as metal only. I mean lee sklar plays a dingwall but other than him I don’t know any others doing it. That being said, the average 34” B string is muffled as hell. I’ve had a 5 string PJ for a little over a year now and you have to be very specific with the B string, it’s just not capable of that clarity that the others can do, so it instead almost just becomes a low note regardless of if it’s the right note or not. 5 string foderas seem to be a bit clearer somehow, but like you said that is hardly a budget instrument. Same can be said for dingwall, but maybe multi scale will start to become more prevalent and therefore more affordable.
@@dutchdykefinger All this is true. However, the differences between the upper four strings and the low B are very obvious on many basses - particularly inexpensive ones that typically are not extended scale or multiscale. It can almost sound like the player has switched to a different instrument every time they go to the B string. Minimising that effect is one of the things you are paying for with a quality instrument, I guess.
Thanks sharing Paul, I agree with Carol on both counts. I know a lot of people like playing a low F on the 6th fret of the B instead of the 1st fret of the E... but sometimes it just isn't the right tone/timbre.
Playing fretted E rather than open E is the reason I got my 5. As for tone, B5 and open E sound the same. I also play one song where I do a run that includes B7 instead of E2 because it's a passing note between E5 and E10. Just easier fingerings. But B7 and E2 sound the same. Maybe I just got lucky because my 5 is a cheap Rogue III I got 2nd hand for $100. Then again, I had it set up, too, instead of playing it straight from factory.
I’m a bass newbie learning on a five string. The only thing I could play before was my stereo. Two months in and I’m progressing slowly but steadily. I sooo enjoy it. For anyone new who wants to learn 5 string, don’t let this vid discourage you.
Idk if u got a teacher or anything, but i could drop my discord tag if you felt u needed/wanted some guidance. I usually dont do this 😅 but idk ive been at this for 15 years and keeping most of what i know to myself
My first bass is going to be a 5 string, so yea i basically have to ignore this video lol. Kinda doubt its going to be much harder than a 6 string... Which is what ive been learning on anyway.
Great advice. Seriously regretting buying the 16 string bass now. Everything Josh mentioned is true. At the same time, if you want it, whether you need it or not, get it.
I told the guitar center dude. I want a 5-string. He said, uhh that’s not recommended for beginners. I said, it’s what I want to learn. He’s like, okay!
For anybody playing in those metal subgenres mentioned near the end: Consider whether you need the full range of a five-string or whether all you need is to go lower than a four-string in E standard can. If it’s the latter-that is, if you need a low B, A, or whatever you’re tuning to, but you don’t need the high notes on a five-string’s high G string-consider just getting a longer-scale four-string. I’ve got a 35-inch scale four-string right now, and it’s been good so far. It’s got a tighter low A than my 34-inch five-string, and it’s easier to play.
a 5er will still be easier. Longer scales are harder to play, especially for us small hands people. I'd rather use a 5 string. Not sure why you bassists are so close-minded and afraid of change. You basically say that bassists are too stupid to play more than 4 strings. I play guitar and only add bass in the production but man, 6+ strings must be scary for most of you
I experienced this a lot while playing metal in the early 2000s. I was using a 4 string tuned low to high CGCG. I'd have other bassists come up and ask why I didn't get a 5 string, and I'd always reply, "Dude, I'm not paying that much for one semitone."
@@xNachtmahRx I got a 6 with an extended range, my small hands are pretty fine with it. Though my arms are weird and long so that might have something to do with that. The 2 extra strings are nice, especially since I have that c string. I was originally just wanting a 5 but then I was like "but what if more"
I got a 5 string as my first bass in High School and I never had any of these problems with my learning on it. Got used to it super quick and prefer them over my 4 strings any day. If you want a 5 string, go for it when you want to and enjoy the hell out of it
I started on 4 but was forced onto 5. The band im in play a real mix-up of tunes. Its handy having those lower notes so you dont have to retune, its also super helpful for your singers if they need you to drop a step or two to experiment singing in different keys. I appreciate these arnt newb issues and you can always sell your 4 to fund the 5 when you need to. The problem is by then youve mapped the low string to E, not B, and youve also anchored your thumb for muting which is hard to unlearn. I wish Id started with floating thumb. Great video though, I agree with most of it.
@@bazmole i started with 4 but because i also play guitar the string spacing wasn't a problem and i normally mute every string except the one i am playing at that moment so that was easy to get around, but the lowest string not being E took a while to get used to but i applied a bit of what i know from playing banjo to get used to having 5 strings
I have a 5-string with a high C and I love it. It resolves many of the issues that you were talking about, plus, it helps out a lot when playing in the higher octave range.
5-string basses are excellent for beginners. You've got to learn muting anyway, so it's better to learn to position your hand in a way that can be applied to 4 or 5-string basses, rather than learning the wrong way and having to relearn a different way later
I disagree, its like learning guitar, if your first guitar is a 7 string then it will be harder to learn "smoke on the water" then it would be on a 6 string guitar, plus once you learn the 6 string and are comfortable, you can get a 7 string and have 2 instruments, same can be done for bass, instruments are tools so its not bad to have multiple
I was just going to post this. I started on a 7-string and now REFUSE to play anything else. I just ordered my first bass guitar and went with a 5 string because EXTENDED RAAAAAANGE IS EXTENDED! 😅 I'm sure it'll be fine. But I can see how I've been 'learning uphill' this entire time. I guess I like the challenge? (or hate myself?) 🤔😳
@@Quigomy I tend to learn uphill as well. It didn't take me long at all to learn floating thumb technique. It's not really an advanced technique if you just start out learning it. Everything feels difficult when starting out so why not just give it a go?
Four string can be more difficult because you don’t have those lower notes close by on the B string, you gotta be quick to move around and get to them on the other 4 strings. I still learned on a four and I don’t foresee myself ever getting a 5 string bass. I have a bass VI,but that is a completely different animal altogether.
@@donnix1192 not only do you not have them close by You don't have them at all But an octave is only 2 frets and 1 string away, so it's kind of a non argument lol
The editing on this video is phenominal, im going to have to watch this multiple times to admire the hard work. Well worth the wait from the last video
I think the problems you mentioned are actually a good reason to start on 5 string. I transitioned from four to five s couple of years ago and had to relearn much of the habits that were entrenched in my playing from playing four strings for so many years.
Bingo. I almost got a fretless 6 string as my first bass, but I'm not that masochistic. With that though you'd either git gud or just quit so it's a good weeding mechanism if you really wanna git gud
Don't want to discredit this video but I think if you definitely want a 5 string then get one, even as your first bass. My experience starting on a 4 string bass was that I still had the same troubles playing a 5 string bass just because it is different. Even worse when you are accustomed to a 4 string bass then going to a 5 string bass will throw you off even more imo, since you aren't used to that 5th string. I had a hard time adjusting to that. So my honest advice: If you are 100% sure you want a 5 string bass, then get one. Maybe get a teacher that can show you the proper techniques and tell you what you are doing wrong.
Totally agree! This video is a good litmus test - if you watch the whole thing and still want one... then screw this random Josh bass teacher guy and go for it!
I absolutely agree with you. I started on a 5-string and while these seven reasons are completely true, the excitement and joy of owning and doing your thing on that instrument that you like so much reduces all of this to obstacles that we gladly face.
I have been playing for 30+ years and just got my first 5 string last year. I used to use my fingers for songs/musicians that used fingers and picks for players/music that they used a pick. Playing fingerstyle on Beatles/McCartney songs sounded terrible to me! One day I fell and fractured the first, second and third fingers on my plucking hand, and they healed ok but never got the previous strength they had, so I use a pick all the time. I also think if you know you will want a five string and you are just starting out, you should go for it! Otherwise, there is a good chance you will spend many hours playing four string but being distracted by that 'Someday I will get a five'.
My first bass was a 5 string. Sure its tricky controlling the B string at first but thats what practice is for, improving and learning how to control the sound coming out of your instrument. Been a year since I got my bass and ive gotten some real nice sounds out of that B string and have grown used to the extra string
The wider neck of the 5 string ruins it for most people I play a 4 string tuned down to B but the low string sounds dead sometimes because its not extra heavy
Great video. A lot of people read the title and then commented, but Josh does a great job of laying out the argument, then being like "go ahead and do it if you are committed and/or love it". Thanks Josh
Post a provocative, clickbaity title and this is what you deal with. If you rely on the headline to generate engagement, don't be surprised if people will only read the headline and comment on that. Also, the point you make pretty much describes half a shit sandwich. It's like telling someone something hurtful and then following it with "but idk man" thinking that what you said before makes it alright. All those videos that say "X things you should/should not do" are utter horse shit. They just confuse new players, potentially cultivate bad habits and put doubts in their mind for the sake of generating clicks for the channel. If someone wants to start on a 5 string, then they should start on a 5 string. You learn to overcome issues as you learn, just like you do with a 4 string or electric guitar. They don't need all that noise and a lot of points made in the video can be addressed with practice/tweaking equipment. People take too much notice of random bozos online acting like they are some sort of authority on the matter. Fuck this video. Have a great day :)
My first bass I really ever put serious hours in and giggles with was a five string. It definitely made four string easier and six string not as much of a learning curve.
The first bass I picked up was a 5 string, but that was only because it was the cheapest bass there. I mainly used the B string as a thumb rest since the pickups were kinda sunken into the body. Not to mention all of the tabs I was looking at were for four string bass, and the extra string would often leave me disoriented trying to play along with the track, so I highly recommend you start on a 4 string bass
This is a video for beginners and every point is valid. The *only* reason I got a 5 was to do walking baselines with a low E starting on the B5 and not have open string notes. When you look into buying your 2nd bass, adding a 5 is not a bad choice. My 5 is my "go-to" bass, even though I rarely play on the B string. Main reason? BECAUSE THE STRINGS ARE CLOSER. For a beginner it's a problem. If you want to play fast riffs, it's an asset. Plus the neck on my 5 is *maybe* 1/8" wider at the nut than my 4 string which itself has a narrow neck (not all 5-strings have such a narrow neck -- my friend's 5 feels clumsy because it is maybe 1/4" wider than my 5). When you get serious, having basses for different tunings and styles is fine. A 5 in standard tuning, A fretless, a 4 with different pickups for different tone and a 4 in drop D pretty much cover you without having to adjust tuners or your amp eq. My friend is trying to sell me his 6. No thanks. I barely use the 5th I have and the neck on that thing feels like a log.
I just got my first bass and it's a 5 string Yamaha BB235. It is literally the complete opposite of wat I was originally looking for. I originally wanted a short scale 4 string. But I'm actually having a lot of fun, it's not as hard as I actually thought it would be. Might need a bit more tenacity and patience with the way you learn it compared to a 4 string but I'm all for it. The fact that it looks really pretty certainly helps.
Good points (particularly the "slapping problem" w/ 5 strings) but that low-B string makes it easier to play certain things in the middle of the fretboard (which is easier for beginning fingers), i.e., it's easier to play patterns that use lots of low F's, F#'s, G's, and G#'s when you can play them on the 6th-9th frets of the low B rather than on the 1st-4th frets of the E-string.
As a beginner currently learning on a 5-string via the Bass Buzz course, I say follow your heart. Definitely listen to Josh, and if you're not sure, start with 4. But if you feel the pull of a 5-string, then go for it. Yes, it is by definition more challenging than 4, but hey, a 1 string would be super simple and that's not what you want to do, right? You learn to play an instrument because of the sounds you want to get from it, the music you want to play. It would have been much simpler if I was learning piano on a two-octave keyboard with no pedal, but... that doesn't do what I want to do. And if 5-string is the way you want to go, then you'll be more versatile, have access to simpler fingering for notes, and be playing the instrument YOU wanted to learn.
I remember when I got into bass and I really wanted a 5 strings bass... then my dad got me a bass as a birthday present and it was a 4 strings Pbass... at the moment I got disappointed but just a few months later (and for the rest of my musical life) I’m glad it was that way...
When your band want to copy a D song, 5-string is a saviour. Ok I started from a 4-string, and then I join the darkside of the 5-string. and I only consider 5-string.
This. Having more strings is not about extending your overall range (although it's a nice bonus). It is about extending your range in certain playing position. With additional bass string I can play low F without constantly moving my hand to nut positions.
One thing I learned after switching from 4 to 5 strings was that, though those 4 new notes were cool, I just still had a tiny fraction of the talent of all my favorite bassists that were out there killing it with only 4. Eventually, it struck me that as I struggled to figure out good lines to play, people like Geddy Lee, Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, and so many others were playing stuff WAY beyond me with a mere 4 strings. The sacrifice of practice time required to play an instrument with that extra 4 notes left me even further behind those guys, and it was distance I was never going to make up.
One thing I will say is this. I started on a 4 string for about a year, learned the basics, but the bass was really crappy. A $50 bass off of Amazon I think. So after a year of committed playing, I got a 5 string. The learning curve was steep, and there were some frustrating hurdles (muting and slap I'm STILL working on everyday). And even when you get decent at the 5 string, if you've been playing a 4 string for awhile and go back to the 5 string its a little disorienting. But THIS is the cool thing: After playing my 5 string for awhile, when I go back to playing a 4 string... I can absolutely SHRED on it. It's incredible!
I started with a 4 strings. After like 6 months, I was able to distinguish between different bass sounds, so I fell in love with p-bass. But I also wanted to have a 5 strings to play some songs that had that lower D note. So I ended up buying a Fender p-bass V. Since then, I practice with both, 4 and 5, switching between them every other day. Guess what? I still suck with both. So trust Josh: stick to the 4 string. I came to the conclusion that if Geddy Lee did all he did with 4 strings and 20 frets, I should be less pretentious and keep it simple.
I really like your videos, they are very well done and informative. Keep up the good work. I feel compelled to chime-in and say that I played 4-string basses for years until 5-strings became more common and available in the 80's. I still play my 4-string basses on occasion, with students, on sessions and when I'm doing upright bass gigs. For most of my pro gigs I will always prefer the 5-string bass. You are correct to state that 5-strings are well-suited to gospel and metal and it is also the proper bass for modern 'smooth jazz' as well. There's nothing like those low c's and b's when the time is right. I also will conclude by saying that many non-bassists (and even some bassists) don't have a clue about the 5-string's benefits. It's not all about the low notes...sometimes it is very useful to use the B-string in the 5th to 10th fret region for familiar patterns and fingerings.
I love my 4 string. It’s all I need. I agree with the video although I had a hard time watching it because I’m laughing so hard at that “ talking 5 string” bass! Keep up the good work. I’ve learned so much from you!!!
Important thing with 5 string basses is to use them correctly (by playing all the notes that are more easily accessible). Some people just play it for the low B, and at that point just downtune a 4 string.
@@Thurgor_Supreme It's possible to use a heavy gauge e-string as a low B. Oftentimes it works better than than the original B string. Of course it would be more work still to downtune, but having a whole extra string and not using it is also quite a bit of work.
@Adam Then you have some really shitty bass. Mine was the cheapest in the shop(the only one I could afford at the time)and it sounds and plays perfectly fine.
@@KiKfilms yeah Calling bullshit Most low Bs sound like gash even on decent basses, most get it completely wrong The fact you may have a really goos bass or really shitty ears doesnt make their bass bad
I learned on 4 strings but after about 5 or 6 months, I gravitated right to 6 and adapted pretty well. Everyone moves at their own pace to I advise people to always learn on 4 first
I started out with a 4 string first act bass guitar. It's so fun to play and if you have a friend who wants to learn it's a great starting point. I love my 5 string ESP and they definitely play differently. It's all in what you are trying to do.
I usually play guitar but one day bought a Squier P Bass 4 string and I loved it. Now I regret it deeply but I sold it because I didn't play enough. I dreamt every night of playing a bass just for fun. Now I got a 5 string bass and I love it so much. I will never again get a 4 string bass again. I dont know why. But I so extremely love this low B string.
I started on a 4 string, moved to a 5 string after seeing a lot of bass players use them, then I moved back to my 4 string, I just use heavier strings on my 4, I use 110 - 55 set on my Epiphone Thunderbird and love it. Thank you for well being you, and making this channel.
As a drummer and bass player that comparison of over using low notes too over playing a driving drum beat has got to be the best comparison Ive heard and honestly made me understand bass as a instrument a lot better. I know this video is old now but keep up the awesome work man!
This is such an awesome video. I'm more of an intermediate player and have been thinking I would like a 5-string bass and so went here first to see if Josh had done anything on it. These points are so good and has made me rethink my reasons for wanting one. Such a funny video also - had me laughing most of the time. A big thanks Josh!
I started on 5...feels better in my hands...4 strong feels wimpy....and to keep the b string quiet I use my thumb on my plucking hand to rest on it when I'm not playing on the b string....really not that difficult or confusing for someone with the slightest common sense....lol but that's rare now days lol.....good vid as always tho
I'm a beginner, and I bought a 5 string Bass just because of the extra string (Huge mistake). I find myself always accidentally hitting the extra string, because they are so close together, which is nerve racking, and me wanting to smash it into pieces. And I also have long fingers. What the hell was I thinking. So I finally gave up and ordered the 4 string. Not ready for the 5 yet.
I bought a 4string at the suggestion of my tutor, and yes, I want a 5 string at some point. But I’m too busy mastering what I have. You do you. I do me. Let’s JAM!
I picked up my first bass, a 5-stringer, a couple weeks ago. As someone who is new to bass i don't need to adjust and unlearn habits that others would have learned from starting with a 4-string. Some of the points brought up in this video is why I chose a 5 over a 4. Anyway, the B string is nice but I only use it when i play songs with drop tuning. There is no need to re-tune the bass but you need to know that notes you're playing. The cool thing is that the bass strings (EADG) are similar to guitars (EADGBE), and on a 5-string that B is moved to the first (BEADG). So if you come from a guitar background you should already have a pretty solid foundation.
One more advantage is for the 5 string is that you don't have to detune for the lower tunings, this way you can keep string tension normal on the other strings. I tried a few 5 strings basses but as a beginner, I felt more comfortable on a 4 string. That B strings just felt too floppy for me.
I wanna say, everything what you say is absolutely true - but for some people - like me - it just makes more sense. I wanna take a look at every point and make some counter points. First, I'm learning a 5-string bass for a year, coming from playing the trumpet for 10 years and the guitar for a few years as well. 1. Muting - This is the only problem I still struggle with - but due to the style of music I play, I use the lowest string a lot, so the rumble isn't that obnoxious in the wall of noise that is doom metal. 2. Plucking aim - This was really easy for me - after like two months i had no problems with it, but maybe it's because of me coming from guitar, which has even tighter string spacing. 3. Slapping - This is the biggest thing against a 5-string, I'd say. But I just don't slap, because my music genre is mainly played with a pick, or fingerstyle for more soft sounds. 4. More notes to learn - Well.. Yeah, but learning the notes on the bass was easy for me by itself, adding the extra 25% isn't a big issue I'd say. Also I always change tunings, so I always have to learn new notes :D - nowadays I usually play in Drop G. 5. Clunkiness - It's annoying at first, but honestly you just get used to the wider neck and heavier weight - but at the start it's a workout. Floppy B strings? Yes, my hugeass 129 strings for G0 are really floppy, but I find the standart B string pretty okay - you just can't pluck it too hard. 6. & 7. Non-classic & Overusing the low B - This is where you gotta consider your genre a lot - in doom metal, the "classic" is smth like a Drop A 7 string guitar, along with a Drop A 5 string bass - but I also play around a camfire sometimes and it's just about having a musical ear. But this can be a big issue - the constant rumble where it shouldn't be. I'd say i don't have that due to my musical background, but for someone just starting out this can be a huge hastle. So yeah, if you play some extreme metal or hiphop, go for it. If you're gonna play country and pop - please go buy a 4-string.
Personally im glad that I got it early on. Started with a 4 string, but the music I like almost always uses the Low B string, so i love it. Plus, im a pick player. Overall, I love the 5 string a lot more than my 4.
I get what Josh is saying so im not knocking his knowledge at all. What I will say is that if your first bass is a 5 string, then just take the extra time to learn your instrument. I picked up a 5 string maybe 2 months after I started playing and honestly? I love it. I'm pretty much a primary on my 5 now. So just take your time and enjoy the low-ness haha pro tip though? Playing the low B is tempting, but there is a time and place for everything
I'm in the same boat. In the longrun i dont really think it will be that much of an issue. If you love bass you'll find love in a 5 string regardless IMO.
i am learning bass on an old 5 string i got from my cousin since i cant afford my own, and honestly i have been learning just fine. i have been teaching myself how to play fingerstyle and slap by watching others play, and i have been coming along just fine. when i save up some money, im gonna get myself an acoustic 4 string bass because i love acoustic basses
I‘m planning in the future of buying a 6 string and diving in. The extra 2 strings are very daunting but I love the journey of widening the knowledge of the bass. I may have not discovered the secrets of my 4 string, but it‘s always gonna be there if the 6 string wears me out.
What if you're a beginner on bass but have experience on electric guitar? If you have experience with electric guitar already, including string muting a distorted guitar, perhaps the "muting" issues for 5 string bass are lessened? If you're not using a pick, the right hand technique is obviously quite different and you wouldn't be muting quite the same way (more with your thumb than your palm as you indicate), but the "intuition" that you need to mute the strings might still be there, plus the left hand muting techniques should carry over fairly well. You'd definitely need to practice - but maybe you'd pick it up faster? Idk. Just spitballin' here 🙂 Plus, worst case scenario, if you need to perform and don't have time to practice without a pick, then you can use a pick and your guitar right hand muting techniques should carry over even more.
I started on a 6 string bass. Well i built it myself since i had first played guitar. So it made sense for me to have 6 strings. 1 lower and 1 higher than a casual Bass. It was fine for me.
Went from a 4 to a 6, the only problem I had was the string spacing causing my finger to get destroyed when popping. I play a lot of slapping and popping because I'm really inspired by Les Claypool, Ryan Martinie, and Fieldy. It took about a week and then I was fine. It's weird because my hands are tiny. The best thing to do is really get a feel for your instrument, style, etc. It's important that you take into account the differences in what's going on.
Started playing on a 4 string 8 months ago in my late 20s, switched to 5 string after 2 months and never looked back. Everything that a 4 string can do, a 5 can do + more, the cons shown in the video were there for the first 2 weeks. The benefits outweigh the cons, in my opinion. Transcribing options, no need for detuning, lower notes can create interesting lines, B string is a great thumb rest as well and if you're looking to get into professional or serious amateur playing, you have to have a 5 string and know how to play it, since some songs were recorded on 5 strings, especially in modern music. B string being floppy is a real thing on most cheap basses, even my Sire V7 has a muddy B string, but it's usable. Next bass will probably be 35" scale length, because I prefer higher string tension, but starting on 35" would have been a nightmare. When I return to a 4 string now, it feels strange and I see no reason to ever play one.
I started on a 6 string, sure the mix of alternating 4 snd 6 string felt almost impossible for the first couple of months, but you get used to it, at least i did.
You put this up about a month after I bought a 4-string after being dissatisfied with my first bass, a 5-string, for years, and all of these reasons were the reasons why.
I love your channel, but IMO I disagree with most of these reasons - some that are based on (pun intended) assumptions about what style the player wants to play. 1. Disagree - I learned floating thumb as my first muting technique (which I would have wanted to learn later anyway) so muting a 5 string is no problem. 2. Disagree - Plucking aim is incredibly easy to overcome. 3. Slapping - Agreed assuming everyone wants to slap - but not everyone wants to slap (I still don't). 4. Disagree - there are still the same amount of notes and the same patterns continue, but there are more opportunities to play the same notes. 5. Outdated info - my 5 string weighs less than more 4 string which is not uncommon IMO. It also sits much more comfortably than my heavy Fender. With the right strings, the B string doesn't have to be floppier than the others. Dingwalls are an expensive example to give - there are much cheaper multi-scale fret basses that can be found used for less than $1000 (Ibanez EHB for example - I got mine new for $1000). 6. This is assuming that everyone is looking for a classic sound - modern sounding basses are very popular too. 7. You can overuse any string - this is on the player - and not the type of bass. I really wish I would have started on a 5-string - a video like this one dissuaded me not to.
Beginners should start with an ultra short scale 3 string beginner bass. Easier to start out with, then down the road you can get that 4 string bass when you’re ready for a real challenge.
I agree w/ this video. I have a 6 string that I wish I hadn’t bought. Years ago, I started on 4 string. I like both 4 & 5. 4 strings you can thump pop& tap easier w/o banging into the wrong string.
Started on a 5 string. Never played any guitar or bass before this. Been 3 years. Now i find it hard to play a 4 string, neck is too skinny and strings are too far apart. I absolutely love the ability to play non-standard tuning on a standard tuned 5 string without having to change anything. No risk to instrument from going to loose or too tight on the neck to get to drop D or anything else. Learning to do this taught my ear better and helped me know the neck more. It also made my fretting hands much faster due to larger stretches between notes that are avoided with tuning changes. The hardest part about a 5 string, getting good finger exercise technique and stretching your hand across the thicker neck. Muting was a problem early on and still is, more so for the smallest on the end (G string, and who doesn't love g-strings, right?) and less for the b. The only other real problem was the absolute lack of internet and community support for 5 strings vs 4 strings. You're on your own in many cases because every fragile 4 string teacher only does 4 string videos. I have no regret doing 5 string first and i'd tell anybody who wants one to do it. Spend the extra time and practice harder, embrace the suck and don't let videos like this discourage you.
I started out with EADG strings. Several weeks ago I brought my bass to a luthier for a few reasons. On my request he put BEAD strings on it. A few observations: - I had to learn play the instrument all over again. - I use the B-string more often than I used the G-string. - But now the B-string is the one I use least. - So that's a net win; plus I like it that I can vary timbre. Playing a F, Fis or G on the B- iso E-string can sound very cool. - That B-string can be floppy indeed. You're right that that's an extra challenge. Overall I am quite happy with my BEAD bass. Almost all of the advantages and only few of the problems.
I got my first 5-string a little over a year after I started playing, after I figured out the basics. I began to utilize the lower notes, and the different positions. Now I play 5-strings almost exclusively
If you play with horns in keys like Eb, Ab or Bb, it can come in handy. Or even a key like D or even E (common guitar keys) to get to a low D or B easily. Ultimately it's a question of whether you want to go higher or lower when faced with the limitations of a low E. I prefer to go lower at times, so I like the 5th string. If you don't mind going higher to play in Eb or D. , then 4 strings are all you need. You can think of the 5th string as an escape path when I need to get a little lower than E without thinking too hard. Or to continue using simple shapes you know by heart over more of a range than you could with a 4 string. You don't need to think of it as a primary string on a 4 string bass; it's a mental shortcut most of the time for me.
Some of these reasons are EXACTLY why I bought a 5-string after being "bass-less" for about 20 years. One of the reasons I stopped was not putting in the work and sounding like crap. The challenge of learning the 5-string, dealing with the "B" string annoyance (although I make use of it with they style I want to play), and finding that "correct" string push me to be better at what I'm doing. Still learning, but having a lot of fun doing it!
5 string is my go to for 70, 80s, 90s, rock cover bands. Super flexibility for moving the key up or down to accommodate the singers range. Example: sat in with a Buddy's band on a bunch of songs I more or less knew, first song out of the gate was a dropped song that the band was playing up a 1/2 step. I asked if the song was in the original key, the answer was yes. First note was clear there was a problem, second note I played nothing, third note problem solved. Long live 5 strings! 🙂
Another reason is the gear. It is hard to find good beginner 5 string basses, the options are much limited than 4 strings, many don't have a well sounding B string and they are more expensive overall. Plus beginner amps certainly struggle to handle the low notes, and in fact many higher end cabinets can't handle the low B that well either.
I just started playing guitar after 10 years of thinking I would never play again. I bought a Fender Player Plus 5-string two weeks ago because I thought it would be a good complement to my baritone guitar and my current favorite player uses a 5-string as he's part of a certain metal subgenre. I just subscribed and I'm learning a lot!
...or 3 you are already a competent guitarist. I had never enjoyed playing bass until one day by chance I ended up playing my friend's 5-string, and it converted me! The cool thing is that moving to a 4-string afterwards is like taking off a big backpack - suddenly I was faster, cleaner and more relaxed. I still use my 5-string for bands that transpose a lot of songs down, but if I don't need 5, I much prefer 4 now.
Huh, I didn't know that using the your thumb to mute the lower string was a 5 string technique. I self taught on an acoustic fender and I just thought it was the best way to pull it off.
Lol, I’m on the “screw this Josh guy anyway, and all these sexy five string clips…” 😆 my first bass is a five string fender squire, it was love at first sight and I simply couldn’t leave the store without it. But these learning curves are facts, but all your vids are hella informative and helped me a lot.🧡
I am a newbie who comes from the guitar, but I prefer the 5-string bass, because the fingerboard is similar to that of the guitar and for me it is more comfortable. On the other hand, I use a 32" scale, which results in even more comfort.
Well Josh, nice video. I'm addicted to five string basses because of those two reasons you mentioned at the end hehe.But almost 30 years ago when I started, I always missed some deep tones and I didn't know that low B even exist and I didn't even had opportunity to get five string. If I did, I surely would get some. BUT before I got my first five string I discovered that low B exist and changed my four string tuning to B E A D and man, it was a totally new dimension! I can agree with you that four string is maybe better for beginners, but on the other side if the music genre is in matter, then I'd suggest try out with B E A D four string and if this is the thing, move to five string.
While I definitely didn't begin on a 5 string, I definitely moved to one before perfecting a lot of the techniques like muting. Amplifying those skill gaps as well as the 5 string kind of completing a pattern that I always knew was in bass tuning (but now I could get hands on with it) did provide more motivation to learn. Plus extending scales into the low B and carrying out the pattern for longer kinda tickles my brain (and is the reason I want a 6, but I should probably practice more first, though Ibanez does make some very pretty ones...)
When I started back in 1987, I would have bought a fiver but they were all at least $1200 back then. Instead, I found my 1980 Ibanez Roadster at the music store for $300: it has an extra-heavy body and I took it home with the heaviest 5-string set that I could find (Ken Smith 145-110-85-65) and only used the bottom strings to get a nice, low A-D-G-C tuning. Our guitarist used a D-Standard tuning, so my fun was figuring out how to take advantage of the A-string to add dramatic heavy effects. Moving to 2010, I discovered Circle-K strings and re-engineered my axe to start at E0, because 20.6Hz ought to be low enough, right? Well, once we started Hyborian Rage, our guitarist was used to a lower C-Standard tuning and didn't want to go up to E. I had to make a choice since I was using the upper four strings on my friend's fiver during the writing process (avoiding his bottom low-G since I wouldn't have an equivalent.) I could have tuned upward to match the C1-Standard, or... I found the strings I already had were the right gauges for C0-Standard if shifted upward, and putting a .254 (then Circle-K's biggest string) at the very bottom. I took a chance and it paid off. It turns out 16.35Hz is plenty audible especially with my high-speed percussive style, it's just harder to tell the first few notes apart unless I'm doing something fancy with them. I've been happy with C-F-A#-D# for the last decade, but now I'm finally moving to the ultimate five-string for me: ordered a Quake Bass from Kalium with a 39.55" scale length on the lowest string (he offers fanned frets for no extra charge.) In my case, the extra string will be higher since I always had the bottom end covered, and I'm looking forward to exploring the harmonics offered by the longer scale and getting used to the idea of a center string. My abnormally low tuning will sound much clearer and I plan on going a half-step further down so I can have a "B-1 Standard" tuning to make playing with normal instruments (and the radio) much easier, only I'll be an octave lower than a regular fiver: 15.43Hz! The Moody Blues were "In Search of the Lost Chord," so I'll be "In Search of the Brown Chord!" If I can't talk the rest of the band down, it's easy enough to tune-up to C0-Standard again without undue tension. I played around with six-stringers in the music store way back when, but I didn't think I needed that much range since it goes into guitar territory and doesn't justify the extra muting work required, as beautiful as those instruments are. I'll just see if my left-hand technique of grabbing the strings I'm not playing can translate to five, as well as my floating thumb and palm technique on the right hand. I know it will be worth it!
I'm currently building (or rather modding the crap out of) my first 5-string. It's a cheap PoS that i bought for the soul reason that it's neck-tru with 24 frets. I've reshaped the body slightly and will refinish it in black with the neck showing trough in clear, adding gold plated Warwick hardware and EMG P/J pickups and a 2-band EQ for a more elegant look and metal focused tone
Doubted this video as an avid 5-string enthusiast, but you've got some good points here. I came from years of guitar before bass, so the theory (learning notes) and muting/string spacing issues didn't show up as much as if I was a true beginner. But I'll grant that slapping is ridiculously tough, and you make a great point about learning how and when to use that super low end. I still think 5-strings are great, and I still think I feel like they're better to have than a 4-string. But I'll concede that starting on a 5-string is tougher.
The slap part is a problem on a 5 string, other than that it's fine to start from. Also it is easier to transfer from a 6 string guitar, the strings just not too far from each other.
Haha! And I literally graduated from playing a 5 string bass to a 6 string as a beginner. Got a little too excited I guess. But I figured starting with a harder to use 5 string bass would make using a 4 string a easier so I didn't mind. I just got used to it.
Another amazing video, love the production value & the spot on content as always. Great job man, i was so excited to watch this one too & couldn't time till now hahaha.
Im a self taught bassist, I started on a squier pj, idk how I did it but managed to be good enough to play for my church. Only problem is that most songs always have notes achievable with the low B string, and I can’t really do the same for my bass without having to tune the E string all the way down. I’ve been interesting in investing on a 5 string, the only thing stopping from me is price, quality, issues I may come across such as muting the notes, and the fact that I may not like it.
I started out on a 6 string fretless bass. It was probably harder than it would have been on a 4 string fretted, but it was all I had (it belongs to my dad) If someone wants to start on a bass with more strings, I think it's just as valid as starting on a 4 string. There a few things to keep in mind of course, as you mentioned in this video, but I wouldn't consider them a dealbreaker for a beginner.
I personally prefer playing the 5 string but this is very very true. Also I hate thinking of extra strings as needing to learn extra notes. You already know the notes, just the placement and I do think that 5 strings offer a ton of versatility and keep you from needing to down tune which I find worth it on it's own. You should never start with extra strings, guitar or bass. But you should know when to move up to extra strings and why. That's more useful than the 5 string itself.
Four strings are good for beginners. I've been playing for 3 years, but at this point I almost exclusively play on my eight string guitar or my sixth string bass. I just love that extended range. A few points I'll mention real quick, that tension issue with the B string can be alleviated with different string gauges and types. Also, although quite a bit harder to mute, extended range basses can also get an interesting harmonic reverb if you don't mute which is very suiting for some music. However, a four string is more suited to certain kinds of music. Four strings often have a different tone than an extended range basses, even if they use the same materials and electronics, due to the different scale length, wood thickness, and number of truss rods. Because I prefer to play on my six string, I'll often play music that doesn't use the extra strings which is just unnecessarily harder and for some pieces of music and might be impossible to play the conventional way. On the other hand, sometimes I find new ideas playing music that was written for a four string on my six string. Also, if I'm playing with people and I'm trying to show someone what I'm doing, standard range instruments are ideal. It really depends on what you want to do with your bass, if you just want to play classic bass lines you don't need the extended range. If you want to be able to make a wide range of sounds with your bass, you've decided that bass is your instrument and you want to be able to play anything on it, go for an extended range bass and maybe fretless too.
So funny story I was thinking of getting a 5 string soon (probably an ESP or Spector for those intrested) And as i saw this video in my reccomended, my mind had a sudden moment of "oh no, am i worthy" But then as i watched the video all the reasons you had i had already gotten pretty good at Im sure I will have trouble adjusting in the beginning but I think ill get past those Cheers!
My first full scale instrument was a squier jazzbass 5 string and learning on it was a bit of a challenge but i dont regret getting it and learning on a 5 string whatsoever, its really up to prefrence
My 5 string is my favorite bass of the 3 that I own, but I switch between them a lot. When I first started playing 5 string, it was a challenge, because I had been playing a 4 string for 20 years. I actually think it might be easier if you learned to play one from the get go, but that's just my thoughts on it. Great video, BTW.
agreed. If a I had new student come in with his first bass and it's a 5 string, I was always a little bummed. I'd tell them to ignore that B string and focus on the core four for our work - and then when I'd tell them the REAL use of a 5 string (lower notes in higher registered) they were always bummed - they wanted a reason to play dem LOW notes. Which are usually useless.
Ode To The Five String Bass by Nelson Montana (My apologies in advance to my 5 string loving brothers)
There once was a time, when 4 strings were fine, and an E was as low as youd go. But the desire to go deeper, turned out to be a keeper and they added a B as you know. I too joined the crowd, the mantra was so loud The five is the one that will last. But after many a gig, trying vainly to go big, my love of the B was soon past. The notes didnt speak with the clarity that Id seek. And I found that I'd use it less and less. It just got in the way, I keep thinking an E was an A, till finally asking, "is this for the best?" It wasnt for James or Jaco or Chris. Victor Wooton and Steve Harris never fell. Jeff Berlin said Nay and hoped itd just go away and Sir Paul would eschew it as well. The Ox took a stand, amid the demands. as did John Paul Jones and Flea. Rocco didn't veer and Sting just sneered -- unimpressed -- as was Pino and Geddy Lee. Claypool went back, and accepted the fact -- it was good enough for Bootsy and Clarke As did Osborne and Kaye, heading the way, and forever making their mark. Then again, there was Anthony, who played mighty fancifully -- with even more strings than six! Yet there are those, who still propose...he should stick to a four and a pick. Of course theres a case, within the right space, to add some well placed low Ds But these days if thats needed, Ive finally conceded Ill just play it on the god damn keys!
I started learning on a 4 string, then traded my friend for his 5 and every point you made in this video is correct. Muting sucks, knowing when to use the low B sucks, the low B sounds different, and is generally kinda really annoying. I knew I was committed to learning bass before I made the switch, and I don't regret it at all, but honestly, 70% of the songs I learn are written on a 4 string so... But when I need those extra low notes, nothing compares to the 5 string. Amazing video, and I'm glad that the points you made were well thought out. Everything you said is true, and the learning curve is much harder, very well made!
Great video as usual. I have never played a 5-string, but realize the issues you describe are legit. I was kind of bored and recently set up my Fender J-bass B E A D. I took the four low strings from a five-string set. I used lighter gauge flats. It stays in tune great. It's not as nimble as a normal setup, but very playable and fun. It's kind of a novelty and I had a spare bass to do it with. Thanks again for the awesome content!
Everything Josh says here is absolutely true. I wouldn't mind betting that many 5-string players spend more time trying to control the B string while playing on the other four strings than actually playing the 'extra' notes. Carol Kaye is on record somewhere as saying that too many 5-string players were buying them not for the extra low notes but to ease things for the left hand by making it possible to play the ordinary range of the 4-string starting in the fifth position. She also said 'get your playing together so you can play a whole bass on the four-string first, then you can graduate to a five-string if you want to; it’s not the other way around.'
I've always found that all notes played on the B string have a different timbre, too. Carol thought that they tended to change a band's balance, and not in a good way. Maybe that isn't true on high-end instruments: but for most people, their first instrument isn't going to be expensive.
notes on any string have a different timbre to one another
That's not something specific to the B string but literally true for any string
Playing something in 12th fret position compared to 2nd fret 2 strings down sounds wildly different on any pitch, even worse on guitar than on bass
Yes, you need the scale length to make it sound not shitty and muddy
B strings sound muffled as shit
@@dutchdykefinger I mean that’s what the extended multi scale basses are for, specifically ones with a 37” B string. Makes it a lot more of a note than a rumble. Check dingwall bass videos for examples if you haven’t heard it before, it’s quite distinctive. The problem is that a vast majority of players look at multi scale as metal only. I mean lee sklar plays a dingwall but other than him I don’t know any others doing it. That being said, the average 34” B string is muffled as hell. I’ve had a 5 string PJ for a little over a year now and you have to be very specific with the B string, it’s just not capable of that clarity that the others can do, so it instead almost just becomes a low note regardless of if it’s the right note or not. 5 string foderas seem to be a bit clearer somehow, but like you said that is hardly a budget instrument. Same can be said for dingwall, but maybe multi scale will start to become more prevalent and therefore more affordable.
@@dutchdykefinger All this is true. However, the differences between the upper four strings and the low B are very obvious on many basses - particularly inexpensive ones that typically are not extended scale or multiscale. It can almost sound like the player has switched to a different instrument every time they go to the B string. Minimising that effect is one of the things you are paying for with a quality instrument, I guess.
Thanks sharing Paul, I agree with Carol on both counts. I know a lot of people like playing a low F on the 6th fret of the B instead of the 1st fret of the E... but sometimes it just isn't the right tone/timbre.
Playing fretted E rather than open E is the reason I got my 5. As for tone, B5 and open E sound the same. I also play one song where I do a run that includes B7 instead of E2 because it's a passing note between E5 and E10. Just easier fingerings. But B7 and E2 sound the same. Maybe I just got lucky because my 5 is a cheap Rogue III I got 2nd hand for $100. Then again, I had it set up, too, instead of playing it straight from factory.
I’m a bass newbie learning on a five string. The only thing I could play before was my stereo. Two months in and I’m progressing slowly but steadily. I sooo enjoy it. For anyone new who wants to learn 5 string, don’t let this vid discourage you.
That's great Jack, as long as you're enjoying it and handling the challenges then all is well!
I wouldnt say the same. Its not easy to find a cheap bass with a good B string everywhere
Idk if u got a teacher or anything, but i could drop my discord tag if you felt u needed/wanted some guidance.
I usually dont do this 😅 but idk ive been at this for 15 years and keeping most of what i know to myself
@@emaheiwa8174 I'd say the Cort action is a relatively good 5-string budget bass
My first bass is going to be a 5 string, so yea i basically have to ignore this video lol.
Kinda doubt its going to be much harder than a 6 string... Which is what ive been learning on anyway.
Great advice. Seriously regretting buying the 16 string bass now.
Everything Josh mentioned is true. At the same time, if you want it, whether you need it or not, get it.
thanks for the advice mike patton, trey spruance, scott ian, dave lombardo & trevor dunn
At the end of the day, who's going to stop you?
I told the guitar center dude. I want a 5-string. He said, uhh that’s not recommended for beginners. I said, it’s what I want to learn. He’s like, okay!
For anybody playing in those metal subgenres mentioned near the end: Consider whether you need the full range of a five-string or whether all you need is to go lower than a four-string in E standard can. If it’s the latter-that is, if you need a low B, A, or whatever you’re tuning to, but you don’t need the high notes on a five-string’s high G string-consider just getting a longer-scale four-string. I’ve got a 35-inch scale four-string right now, and it’s been good so far. It’s got a tighter low A than my 34-inch five-string, and it’s easier to play.
For beginners not familiar with the term, you'll want to look for a "BEAD bass".
a 5er will still be easier. Longer scales are harder to play, especially for us small hands people. I'd rather use a 5 string. Not sure why you bassists are so close-minded and afraid of change. You basically say that bassists are too stupid to play more than 4 strings. I play guitar and only add bass in the production but man, 6+ strings must be scary for most of you
I experienced this a lot while playing metal in the early 2000s.
I was using a 4 string tuned low to high CGCG.
I'd have other bassists come up and ask why I didn't get a 5 string, and I'd always reply, "Dude, I'm not paying that much for one semitone."
@@xNachtmahRx I play guitar ~and~ bass and you're being a silly goose
@@xNachtmahRx I got a 6 with an extended range, my small hands are pretty fine with it. Though my arms are weird and long so that might have something to do with that. The 2 extra strings are nice, especially since I have that c string. I was originally just wanting a 5 but then I was like "but what if more"
I got a 5 string as my first bass in High School and I never had any of these problems with my learning on it. Got used to it super quick and prefer them over my 4 strings any day.
If you want a 5 string, go for it when you want to and enjoy the hell out of it
I started on 4 but was forced onto 5. The band im in play a real mix-up of tunes. Its handy having those lower notes so you dont have to retune, its also super helpful for your singers if they need you to drop a step or two to experiment singing in different keys. I appreciate these arnt newb issues and you can always sell your 4 to fund the 5 when you need to. The problem is by then youve mapped the low string to E, not B, and youve also anchored your thumb for muting which is hard to unlearn. I wish Id started with floating thumb. Great video though, I agree with most of it.
Same here
@@bazmole i started with 4 but because i also play guitar the string spacing wasn't a problem and i normally mute every string except the one i am playing at that moment so that was easy to get around, but the lowest string not being E took a while to get used to but i applied a bit of what i know from playing banjo to get used to having 5 strings
Spot on dude.
I have a 5-string with a high C and I love it. It resolves many of the issues that you were talking about, plus, it helps out a lot when playing in the higher octave range.
This is my plan, I just ordered a 5 string short scale and the first thing I'm doing is changing it from low B to high C.
The high C string on a bass is terrible I played a Pink Floyd song and the guy ruined it with that high - bass bullshit
5-string basses are excellent for beginners.
You've got to learn muting anyway, so it's better to learn to position your hand in a way that can be applied to 4 or 5-string basses, rather than learning the wrong way and having to relearn a different way later
I disagree, its like learning guitar, if your first guitar is a 7 string then it will be harder to learn "smoke on the water" then it would be on a 6 string guitar, plus once you learn the 6 string and are comfortable, you can get a 7 string and have 2 instruments, same can be done for bass, instruments are tools so its not bad to have multiple
Having spent time with 7 string guitars, I've only ever played 5 string bass and love it.
Makes sense Darien, if the guitarists are adding extra low strings you've gotta keep up. 👅
I was just going to post this.
I started on a 7-string and now REFUSE to play anything else.
I just ordered my first bass guitar and went with a 5 string because EXTENDED RAAAAAANGE IS EXTENDED! 😅
I'm sure it'll be fine. But I can see how I've been 'learning uphill' this entire time.
I guess I like the challenge? (or hate myself?) 🤔😳
@@Quigomy I tend to learn uphill as well. It didn't take me long at all to learn floating thumb technique. It's not really an advanced technique if you just start out learning it. Everything feels difficult when starting out so why not just give it a go?
Four string can be more difficult because you don’t have those lower notes close by on the B string, you gotta be quick to move around and get to them on the other 4 strings. I still learned on a four and I don’t foresee myself ever getting a 5 string bass. I have a bass VI,but that is a completely different animal altogether.
@@donnix1192 not only do you not have them close by
You don't have them at all
But an octave is only 2 frets and 1 string away, so it's kind of a non argument lol
The editing on this video is phenominal, im going to have to watch this multiple times to admire the hard work. Well worth the wait from the last video
I think the problems you mentioned are actually a good reason to start on 5 string. I transitioned from four to five s couple of years ago and had to relearn much of the habits that were entrenched in my playing from playing four strings for so many years.
Bingo. I almost got a fretless 6 string as my first bass, but I'm not that masochistic. With that though you'd either git gud or just quit so it's a good weeding mechanism if you really wanna git gud
totally, learning 4 string parts on a 5 string or 6 string parts on a 7 string guitar forces you to use better technique.
Don't want to discredit this video but I think if you definitely want a 5 string then get one, even as your first bass. My experience starting on a 4 string bass was that I still had the same troubles playing a 5 string bass just because it is different. Even worse when you are accustomed to a 4 string bass then going to a 5 string bass will throw you off even more imo, since you aren't used to that 5th string. I had a hard time adjusting to that.
So my honest advice: If you are 100% sure you want a 5 string bass, then get one. Maybe get a teacher that can show you the proper techniques and tell you what you are doing wrong.
Totally agree! This video is a good litmus test - if you watch the whole thing and still want one... then screw this random Josh bass teacher guy and go for it!
@@BassBuzz Yeah I watched the whole thing and what you said in the end. Just wrote this because most people won't watch until the very end
@@BassBuzz 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I absolutely agree with you. I started on a 5-string and while these seven reasons are completely true, the excitement and joy of owning and doing your thing on that instrument that you like so much reduces all of this to obstacles that we gladly face.
I have been playing for 30+ years and just got my first 5 string last year. I used to use my fingers for songs/musicians that used fingers and picks for players/music that they used a pick. Playing fingerstyle on Beatles/McCartney songs sounded terrible to me!
One day I fell and fractured the first, second and third fingers on my plucking hand, and they healed ok but never got the previous strength they had, so I use a pick all the time.
I also think if you know you will want a five string and you are just starting out, you should go for it! Otherwise, there is a good chance you will spend many hours playing four string but being distracted by that 'Someday I will get a five'.
My first bass was a 5 string. Sure its tricky controlling the B string at first but thats what practice is for, improving and learning how to control the sound coming out of your instrument. Been a year since I got my bass and ive gotten some real nice sounds out of that B string and have grown used to the extra string
The wider neck of the 5 string ruins it for most people I play a 4 string tuned down to B but the low string sounds dead sometimes because its not extra heavy
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 you are true to your name sake
Great video. A lot of people read the title and then commented, but Josh does a great job of laying out the argument, then being like "go ahead and do it if you are committed and/or love it". Thanks Josh
Post a provocative, clickbaity title and this is what you deal with. If you rely on the headline to generate engagement, don't be surprised if people will only read the headline and comment on that. Also, the point you make pretty much describes half a shit sandwich. It's like telling someone something hurtful and then following it with "but idk man" thinking that what you said before makes it alright.
All those videos that say "X things you should/should not do" are utter horse shit. They just confuse new players, potentially cultivate bad habits and put doubts in their mind for the sake of generating clicks for the channel. If someone wants to start on a 5 string, then they should start on a 5 string. You learn to overcome issues as you learn, just like you do with a 4 string or electric guitar. They don't need all that noise and a lot of points made in the video can be addressed with practice/tweaking equipment. People take too much notice of random bozos online acting like they are some sort of authority on the matter. Fuck this video.
Have a great day :)
My first bass I really ever put serious hours in and giggles with was a five string. It definitely made four string easier and six string not as much of a learning curve.
The first bass I picked up was a 5 string, but that was only because it was the cheapest bass there. I mainly used the B string as a thumb rest since the pickups were kinda sunken into the body. Not to mention all of the tabs I was looking at were for four string bass, and the extra string would often leave me disoriented trying to play along with the track, so I highly recommend you start on a 4 string bass
This is a video for beginners and every point is valid.
The *only* reason I got a 5 was to do walking baselines with a low E starting on the B5 and not have open string notes.
When you look into buying your 2nd bass, adding a 5 is not a bad choice.
My 5 is my "go-to" bass, even though I rarely play on the B string. Main reason? BECAUSE THE STRINGS ARE CLOSER. For a beginner it's a problem. If you want to play fast riffs, it's an asset. Plus the neck on my 5 is *maybe* 1/8" wider at the nut than my 4 string which itself has a narrow neck (not all 5-strings have such a narrow neck -- my friend's 5 feels clumsy because it is maybe 1/4" wider than my 5).
When you get serious, having basses for different tunings and styles is fine. A 5 in standard tuning, A fretless, a 4 with different pickups for different tone and a 4 in drop D pretty much cover you without having to adjust tuners or your amp eq.
My friend is trying to sell me his 6. No thanks. I barely use the 5th I have and the neck on that thing feels like a log.
I just got my first bass and it's a 5 string Yamaha BB235. It is literally the complete opposite of wat I was originally looking for. I originally wanted a short scale 4 string. But I'm actually having a lot of fun, it's not as hard as I actually thought it would be. Might need a bit more tenacity and patience with the way you learn it compared to a 4 string but I'm all for it. The fact that it looks really pretty certainly helps.
I want that same Yamaha in a natural finish. They look so good.
Good points (particularly the "slapping problem" w/ 5 strings) but that low-B string makes it easier to play certain things in the middle of the fretboard (which is easier for beginning fingers), i.e., it's easier to play patterns that use lots of low F's, F#'s, G's, and G#'s when you can play them on the 6th-9th frets of the low B rather than on the 1st-4th frets of the E-string.
As a beginner currently learning on a 5-string via the Bass Buzz course, I say follow your heart. Definitely listen to Josh, and if you're not sure, start with 4. But if you feel the pull of a 5-string, then go for it. Yes, it is by definition more challenging than 4, but hey, a 1 string would be super simple and that's not what you want to do, right? You learn to play an instrument because of the sounds you want to get from it, the music you want to play. It would have been much simpler if I was learning piano on a two-octave keyboard with no pedal, but... that doesn't do what I want to do.
And if 5-string is the way you want to go, then you'll be more versatile, have access to simpler fingering for notes, and be playing the instrument YOU wanted to learn.
I remember when I got into bass and I really wanted a 5 strings bass... then my dad got me a bass as a birthday present and it was a 4 strings Pbass... at the moment I got disappointed but just a few months later (and for the rest of my musical life) I’m glad it was that way...
The joy of 5 strings for me is the ability to play two octave arpeggios without shifting positions
When your band want to copy a D song, 5-string is a saviour. Ok I started from a 4-string, and then I join the darkside of the 5-string. and I only consider 5-string.
This. Having more strings is not about extending your overall range (although it's a nice bonus). It is about extending your range in certain playing position. With additional bass string I can play low F without constantly moving my hand to nut positions.
One thing I learned after switching from 4 to 5 strings was that, though those 4 new notes were cool, I just still had a tiny fraction of the talent of all my favorite bassists that were out there killing it with only 4. Eventually, it struck me that as I struggled to figure out good lines to play, people like Geddy Lee, Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, and so many others were playing stuff WAY beyond me with a mere 4 strings. The sacrifice of practice time required to play an instrument with that extra 4 notes left me even further behind those guys, and it was distance I was never going to make up.
I'm intermediate and have no want for a 5-string. I'm just glad that I get to watch another video from Josh
One thing I will say is this. I started on a 4 string for about a year, learned the basics, but the bass was really crappy. A $50 bass off of Amazon I think. So after a year of committed playing, I got a 5 string. The learning curve was steep, and there were some frustrating hurdles (muting and slap I'm STILL working on everyday). And even when you get decent at the 5 string, if you've been playing a 4 string for awhile and go back to the 5 string its a little disorienting.
But THIS is the cool thing: After playing my 5 string for awhile, when I go back to playing a 4 string... I can absolutely SHRED on it. It's incredible!
I started with a 4 strings. After like 6 months, I was able to distinguish between different bass sounds, so I fell in love with p-bass. But I also wanted to have a 5 strings to play some songs that had that lower D note. So I ended up buying a Fender p-bass V. Since then, I practice with both, 4 and 5, switching between them every other day. Guess what? I still suck with both. So trust Josh: stick to the 4 string. I came to the conclusion that if Geddy Lee did all he did with 4 strings and 20 frets, I should be less pretentious and keep it simple.
Who said it was pretentious?
But geddy does play a regular 4 strings bass, what u talking about?
I really like your videos, they are very well done and informative. Keep up the good work. I feel compelled to chime-in and say that I played 4-string basses for years until 5-strings became more common and available in the 80's. I still play my 4-string basses on occasion, with students, on sessions and when I'm doing upright bass gigs. For most of my pro gigs I will always prefer the 5-string bass. You are correct to state that 5-strings are well-suited to gospel and metal and it is also the proper bass for modern 'smooth jazz' as well. There's nothing like those low c's and b's when the time is right. I also will conclude by saying that many non-bassists (and even some bassists) don't have a clue about the 5-string's benefits. It's not all about the low notes...sometimes it is very useful to use the B-string in the 5th to 10th fret region for familiar patterns and fingerings.
I love my 4 string. It’s all I need. I agree with the video although I had a hard time watching it because I’m laughing so hard at that “ talking 5 string” bass! Keep up the good work. I’ve learned so much from you!!!
Important thing with 5 string basses is to use them correctly (by playing all the notes that are more easily accessible). Some people just play it for the low B, and at that point just downtune a 4 string.
Well obviously you would need new strings, nut filing, raised action... You can't just go to BEAD tuning on a whim
@@Thurgor_Supreme It's possible to use a heavy gauge e-string as a low B. Oftentimes it works better than than the original B string. Of course it would be more work still to downtune, but having a whole extra string and not using it is also quite a bit of work.
@Adam They also make 35in scale 4 string basses ment for B standard.
@Adam Then you have some really shitty bass. Mine was the cheapest in the shop(the only one I could afford at the time)and it sounds and plays perfectly fine.
@@KiKfilms yeah
Calling bullshit
Most low Bs sound like gash even on decent basses, most get it completely wrong
The fact you may have a really goos bass or really shitty ears doesnt make their bass bad
I learned on 4 strings but after about 5 or 6 months, I gravitated right to 6 and adapted pretty well. Everyone moves at their own pace to I advise people to always learn on 4 first
I admire the commitment to having 4 AND 5 string versions of the same awesome bass. 👏
I owned 6 5-string basses (including 2 fretless) before buying my 1st 4-string and I have to say that this 4-string Squier JB is the most fun to play.
I started out with a 4 string first act bass guitar. It's so fun to play and if you have a friend who wants to learn it's a great starting point. I love my 5 string ESP and they definitely play differently. It's all in what you are trying to do.
I started on a Squier JB, and I love it so much. I just got a 5-string, but I still play my 4-string
I usually play guitar but one day bought a Squier P Bass 4 string and I loved it. Now I regret it deeply but I sold it because I didn't play enough. I dreamt every night of playing a bass just for fun. Now I got a 5 string bass and I love it so much. I will never again get a 4 string bass again. I dont know why. But I so extremely love this low B string.
I started on a 4 string, moved to a 5 string after seeing a lot of bass players use them, then I moved back to my 4 string, I just use heavier strings on my 4, I use 110 - 55 set on my Epiphone Thunderbird and love it.
Thank you for well being you, and making this channel.
As a drummer and bass player that comparison of over using low notes too over playing a driving drum beat has got to be the best comparison Ive heard and honestly made me understand bass as a instrument a lot better. I know this video is old now but keep up the awesome work man!
This is such an awesome video. I'm more of an intermediate player and have been thinking I would like a 5-string bass and so went here first to see if Josh had done anything on it. These points are so good and has made me rethink my reasons for wanting one. Such a funny video also - had me laughing most of the time. A big thanks Josh!
I started on 5...feels better in my hands...4 strong feels wimpy....and to keep the b string quiet I use my thumb on my plucking hand to rest on it when I'm not playing on the b string....really not that difficult or confusing for someone with the slightest common sense....lol but that's rare now days lol.....good vid as always tho
beginner to badass part 2 please!!!!!
I got a 5 string bass as my first and it’s great. I also have a 4 string bass and I have so much fun playing both.
I'm a beginner, and I bought a 5 string Bass just because of the extra string (Huge mistake). I find myself always accidentally hitting the extra string, because they are so close together, which is nerve racking, and me wanting to smash it into pieces. And I also have long fingers. What the hell was I thinking. So I finally gave up and ordered the 4 string. Not ready for the 5 yet.
I bought a 4string at the suggestion of my tutor, and yes, I want a 5 string at some point. But I’m too busy mastering what I have. You do you. I do me. Let’s JAM!
I picked up my first bass, a 5-stringer, a couple weeks ago. As someone who is new to bass i don't need to adjust and unlearn habits that others would have learned from starting with a 4-string. Some of the points brought up in this video is why I chose a 5 over a 4. Anyway, the B string is nice but I only use it when i play songs with drop tuning. There is no need to re-tune the bass but you need to know that notes you're playing. The cool thing is that the bass strings (EADG) are similar to guitars (EADGBE), and on a 5-string that B is moved to the first (BEADG). So if you come from a guitar background you should already have a pretty solid foundation.
I started on 5 string. I never noticed anything when I switched over to 4.
I don't need a 5-string bass but after this video I know that I need to put googly eyes on my bass.
One more advantage is for the 5 string is that you don't have to detune for the lower tunings, this way you can keep string tension normal on the other strings. I tried a few 5 strings basses but as a beginner, I felt more comfortable on a 4 string. That B strings just felt too floppy for me.
I wanna say, everything what you say is absolutely true - but for some people - like me - it just makes more sense. I wanna take a look at every point and make some counter points.
First, I'm learning a 5-string bass for a year, coming from playing the trumpet for 10 years and the guitar for a few years as well.
1. Muting - This is the only problem I still struggle with - but due to the style of music I play, I use the lowest string a lot, so the rumble isn't that obnoxious in the wall of noise that is doom metal.
2. Plucking aim - This was really easy for me - after like two months i had no problems with it, but maybe it's because of me coming from guitar, which has even tighter string spacing.
3. Slapping - This is the biggest thing against a 5-string, I'd say. But I just don't slap, because my music genre is mainly played with a pick, or fingerstyle for more soft sounds.
4. More notes to learn - Well.. Yeah, but learning the notes on the bass was easy for me by itself, adding the extra 25% isn't a big issue I'd say. Also I always change tunings, so I always have to learn new notes :D - nowadays I usually play in Drop G.
5. Clunkiness - It's annoying at first, but honestly you just get used to the wider neck and heavier weight - but at the start it's a workout. Floppy B strings? Yes, my hugeass 129 strings for G0 are really floppy, but I find the standart B string pretty okay - you just can't pluck it too hard.
6. & 7. Non-classic & Overusing the low B - This is where you gotta consider your genre a lot - in doom metal, the "classic" is smth like a Drop A 7 string guitar, along with a Drop A 5 string bass - but I also play around a camfire sometimes and it's just about having a musical ear. But this can be a big issue - the constant rumble where it shouldn't be. I'd say i don't have that due to my musical background, but for someone just starting out this can be a huge hastle.
So yeah, if you play some extreme metal or hiphop, go for it. If you're gonna play country and pop - please go buy a 4-string.
Personally im glad that I got it early on. Started with a 4 string, but the music I like almost always uses the Low B string, so i love it. Plus, im a pick player. Overall, I love the 5 string a lot more than my 4.
@Adam You'll get used to it in a week of practice.
I like to slap.... but damn I love the sound of a pick on bass.
My parents bought me a 5 string bass as my first one... I didn't thought about that
I get what Josh is saying so im not knocking his knowledge at all. What I will say is that if your first bass is a 5 string, then just take the extra time to learn your instrument. I picked up a 5 string maybe 2 months after I started playing and honestly? I love it. I'm pretty much a primary on my 5 now. So just take your time and enjoy the low-ness haha
pro tip though? Playing the low B is tempting, but there is a time and place for everything
I'm in the same boat.
In the longrun i dont really think it will be that much of an issue. If you love bass you'll find love in a 5 string regardless IMO.
i am learning bass on an old 5 string i got from my cousin since i cant afford my own, and honestly i have been learning just fine. i have been teaching myself how to play fingerstyle and slap by watching others play, and i have been coming along just fine. when i save up some money, im gonna get myself an acoustic 4 string bass because i love acoustic basses
I‘m planning in the future of buying a 6 string and diving in. The extra 2 strings are very daunting but I love the journey of widening the knowledge of the bass. I may have not discovered the secrets of my 4 string, but it‘s always gonna be there if the 6 string wears me out.
What if you're a beginner on bass but have experience on electric guitar?
If you have experience with electric guitar already, including string muting a distorted guitar, perhaps the "muting" issues for 5 string bass are lessened? If you're not using a pick, the right hand technique is obviously quite different and you wouldn't be muting quite the same way (more with your thumb than your palm as you indicate), but the "intuition" that you need to mute the strings might still be there, plus the left hand muting techniques should carry over fairly well. You'd definitely need to practice - but maybe you'd pick it up faster? Idk. Just spitballin' here 🙂
Plus, worst case scenario, if you need to perform and don't have time to practice without a pick, then you can use a pick and your guitar right hand muting techniques should carry over even more.
I didn't learn to play bass on a 5-string. I learnt on a 6-string, tuned low E to high F.
I started on a 6 string bass. Well i built it myself since i had first played guitar. So it made sense for me to have 6 strings. 1 lower and 1 higher than a casual Bass. It was fine for me.
Went from a 4 to a 6, the only problem I had was the string spacing causing my finger to get destroyed when popping. I play a lot of slapping and popping because I'm really inspired by Les Claypool, Ryan Martinie, and Fieldy. It took about a week and then I was fine. It's weird because my hands are tiny. The best thing to do is really get a feel for your instrument, style, etc. It's important that you take into account the differences in what's going on.
Started playing on a 4 string 8 months ago in my late 20s, switched to 5 string after 2 months and never looked back. Everything that a 4 string can do, a 5 can do + more, the cons shown in the video were there for the first 2 weeks. The benefits outweigh the cons, in my opinion. Transcribing options, no need for detuning, lower notes can create interesting lines, B string is a great thumb rest as well and if you're looking to get into professional or serious amateur playing, you have to have a 5 string and know how to play it, since some songs were recorded on 5 strings, especially in modern music.
B string being floppy is a real thing on most cheap basses, even my Sire V7 has a muddy B string, but it's usable. Next bass will probably be 35" scale length, because I prefer higher string tension, but starting on 35" would have been a nightmare.
When I return to a 4 string now, it feels strange and I see no reason to ever play one.
I absolutely agree. 20 year veteran musician.
I agree with both of you. 5 string with low B is the standard bass now. In 20 years it may be 6 or 3 who knows.
I started on a 6 string, sure the mix of alternating 4 snd 6 string felt almost impossible for the first couple of months, but you get used to it, at least i did.
You put this up about a month after I bought a 4-string after being dissatisfied with my first bass, a 5-string, for years, and all of these reasons were the reasons why.
I love your channel, but IMO I disagree with most of these reasons - some that are based on (pun intended) assumptions about what style the player wants to play. 1. Disagree - I learned floating thumb as my first muting technique (which I would have wanted to learn later anyway) so muting a 5 string is no problem. 2. Disagree - Plucking aim is incredibly easy to overcome. 3. Slapping - Agreed assuming everyone wants to slap - but not everyone wants to slap (I still don't). 4. Disagree - there are still the same amount of notes and the same patterns continue, but there are more opportunities to play the same notes. 5. Outdated info - my 5 string weighs less than more 4 string which is not uncommon IMO. It also sits much more comfortably than my heavy Fender. With the right strings, the B string doesn't have to be floppier than the others. Dingwalls are an expensive example to give - there are much cheaper multi-scale fret basses that can be found used for less than $1000 (Ibanez EHB for example - I got mine new for $1000). 6. This is assuming that everyone is looking for a classic sound - modern sounding basses are very popular too. 7. You can overuse any string - this is on the player - and not the type of bass. I really wish I would have started on a 5-string - a video like this one dissuaded me not to.
Beginners should start with an ultra short scale 3 string beginner bass. Easier to start out with, then down the road you can get that 4 string bass when you’re ready for a real challenge.
I started on a 5 string by accident…
Probably why it took me so long to get it
My hands are tiny
But because I play metal that uses it I kinda had to
I agree w/ this video. I have a 6 string that I wish I hadn’t bought. Years ago, I started on 4 string. I like both 4 & 5. 4 strings you can thump pop& tap easier w/o banging into the wrong string.
Started on a 5 string. Never played any guitar or bass before this. Been 3 years. Now i find it hard to play a 4 string, neck is too skinny and strings are too far apart. I absolutely love the ability to play non-standard tuning on a standard tuned 5 string without having to change anything. No risk to instrument from going to loose or too tight on the neck to get to drop D or anything else. Learning to do this taught my ear better and helped me know the neck more. It also made my fretting hands much faster due to larger stretches between notes that are avoided with tuning changes.
The hardest part about a 5 string, getting good finger exercise technique and stretching your hand across the thicker neck. Muting was a problem early on and still is, more so for the smallest on the end (G string, and who doesn't love g-strings, right?) and less for the b.
The only other real problem was the absolute lack of internet and community support for 5 strings vs 4 strings. You're on your own in many cases because every fragile 4 string teacher only does 4 string videos.
I have no regret doing 5 string first and i'd tell anybody who wants one to do it. Spend the extra time and practice harder, embrace the suck and don't let videos like this discourage you.
I started out with EADG strings. Several weeks ago I brought my bass to a luthier for a few reasons. On my request he put BEAD strings on it. A few observations:
- I had to learn play the instrument all over again.
- I use the B-string more often than I used the G-string.
- But now the B-string is the one I use least.
- So that's a net win; plus I like it that I can vary timbre. Playing a F, Fis or G on the B- iso E-string can sound very cool.
- That B-string can be floppy indeed. You're right that that's an extra challenge.
Overall I am quite happy with my BEAD bass. Almost all of the advantages and only few of the problems.
I got my first 5-string a little over a year after I started playing, after I figured out the basics. I began to utilize the lower notes, and the different positions. Now I play 5-strings almost exclusively
Look, kids! A scammer!
LOL! The editing in this video around _Evil 5-string Bass_ was hilarious! 😂 ⚡ *I got sunshiiiiine!!!!* ⚡ 🤣
If you play with horns in keys like Eb, Ab or Bb, it can come in handy. Or even a key like D or even E (common guitar keys) to get to a low D or B easily. Ultimately it's a question of whether you want to go higher or lower when faced with the limitations of a low E. I prefer to go lower at times, so I like the 5th string. If you don't mind going higher to play in Eb or D. , then 4 strings are all you need.
You can think of the 5th string as an escape path when I need to get a little lower than E without thinking too hard. Or to continue using simple shapes you know by heart over more of a range than you could with a 4 string. You don't need to think of it as a primary string on a 4 string bass; it's a mental shortcut most of the time for me.
bass buzz ur videos are by far the best on youtube for lessons. creativity effort and charm radiates from every video.
Some of these reasons are EXACTLY why I bought a 5-string after being "bass-less" for about 20 years. One of the reasons I stopped was not putting in the work and sounding like crap. The challenge of learning the 5-string, dealing with the "B" string annoyance (although I make use of it with they style I want to play), and finding that "correct" string push me to be better at what I'm doing. Still learning, but having a lot of fun doing it!
5 string is my go to for 70, 80s, 90s, rock cover bands. Super flexibility for moving the key up or down to accommodate the singers range. Example: sat in with a Buddy's band on a bunch of songs I more or less knew, first song out of the gate was a dropped song that the band was playing up a 1/2 step. I asked if the song was in the original key, the answer was yes. First note was clear there was a problem, second note I played nothing, third note problem solved. Long live 5 strings! 🙂
Love the gaming references in your videos. Sound effects, background music...Much appreciated. 😊
Another reason is the gear. It is hard to find good beginner 5 string basses, the options are much limited than 4 strings, many don't have a well sounding B string and they are more expensive overall. Plus beginner amps certainly struggle to handle the low notes, and in fact many higher end cabinets can't handle the low B that well either.
I just started playing guitar after 10 years of thinking I would never play again. I bought a Fender Player Plus 5-string two weeks ago because I thought it would be a good complement to my baritone guitar and my current favorite player uses a 5-string as he's part of a certain metal subgenre. I just subscribed and I'm learning a lot!
I've just bought my first 5 string and Love it. low B gives that extra low/drop tuned range I was looking for.
5:31 Flight of the Conchords. That was excellent! I hope there's a longer version of that somewhere
...or 3 you are already a competent guitarist. I had never enjoyed playing bass until one day by chance I ended up playing my friend's 5-string, and it converted me! The cool thing is that moving to a 4-string afterwards is like taking off a big backpack - suddenly I was faster, cleaner and more relaxed. I still use my 5-string for bands that transpose a lot of songs down, but if I don't need 5, I much prefer 4 now.
Huh, I didn't know that using the your thumb to mute the lower string was a 5 string technique. I self taught on an acoustic fender and I just thought it was the best way to pull it off.
Lol, I’m on the “screw this Josh guy anyway, and all these sexy five string clips…” 😆
my first bass is a five string fender squire, it was love at first sight and I simply couldn’t leave the store without it. But these learning curves are facts, but all your vids are hella informative and helped me a lot.🧡
I completely agree with this video. That's why I'm getting a 6 string bass as my first.
I am a newbie who comes from the guitar, but I prefer the 5-string bass, because the fingerboard is similar to that of the guitar and for me it is more comfortable. On the other hand, I use a 32" scale, which results in even more comfort.
Well Josh, nice video. I'm addicted to five string basses because of those two reasons you mentioned at the end hehe.But almost 30 years ago when I started, I always missed some deep tones and I didn't know that low B even exist and I didn't even had opportunity to get five string. If I did, I surely would get some. BUT before I got my first five string I discovered that low B exist and changed my four string tuning to B E A D and man, it was a totally new dimension! I can agree with you that four string is maybe better for beginners, but on the other side if the music genre is in matter, then I'd suggest try out with B E A D four string and if this is the thing, move to five string.
While I definitely didn't begin on a 5 string, I definitely moved to one before perfecting a lot of the techniques like muting. Amplifying those skill gaps as well as the 5 string kind of completing a pattern that I always knew was in bass tuning (but now I could get hands on with it) did provide more motivation to learn. Plus extending scales into the low B and carrying out the pattern for longer kinda tickles my brain (and is the reason I want a 6, but I should probably practice more first, though Ibanez does make some very pretty ones...)
When I started back in 1987, I would have bought a fiver but they were all at least $1200 back then. Instead, I found my 1980 Ibanez Roadster at the music store for $300: it has an extra-heavy body and I took it home with the heaviest 5-string set that I could find (Ken Smith 145-110-85-65) and only used the bottom strings to get a nice, low A-D-G-C tuning. Our guitarist used a D-Standard tuning, so my fun was figuring out how to take advantage of the A-string to add dramatic heavy effects.
Moving to 2010, I discovered Circle-K strings and re-engineered my axe to start at E0, because 20.6Hz ought to be low enough, right? Well, once we started Hyborian Rage, our guitarist was used to a lower C-Standard tuning and didn't want to go up to E. I had to make a choice since I was using the upper four strings on my friend's fiver during the writing process (avoiding his bottom low-G since I wouldn't have an equivalent.) I could have tuned upward to match the C1-Standard, or... I found the strings I already had were the right gauges for C0-Standard if shifted upward, and putting a .254 (then Circle-K's biggest string) at the very bottom. I took a chance and it paid off. It turns out 16.35Hz is plenty audible especially with my high-speed percussive style, it's just harder to tell the first few notes apart unless I'm doing something fancy with them. I've been happy with C-F-A#-D# for the last decade, but now I'm finally moving to the ultimate five-string for me: ordered a Quake Bass from Kalium with a 39.55" scale length on the lowest string (he offers fanned frets for no extra charge.) In my case, the extra string will be higher since I always had the bottom end covered, and I'm looking forward to exploring the harmonics offered by the longer scale and getting used to the idea of a center string. My abnormally low tuning will sound much clearer and I plan on going a half-step further down so I can have a "B-1 Standard" tuning to make playing with normal instruments (and the radio) much easier, only I'll be an octave lower than a regular fiver: 15.43Hz! The Moody Blues were "In Search of the Lost Chord," so I'll be "In Search of the Brown Chord!" If I can't talk the rest of the band down, it's easy enough to tune-up to C0-Standard again without undue tension.
I played around with six-stringers in the music store way back when, but I didn't think I needed that much range since it goes into guitar territory and doesn't justify the extra muting work required, as beautiful as those instruments are. I'll just see if my left-hand technique of grabbing the strings I'm not playing can translate to five, as well as my floating thumb and palm technique on the right hand. I know it will be worth it!
I'm currently building (or rather modding the crap out of) my first 5-string. It's a cheap PoS that i bought for the soul reason that it's neck-tru with 24 frets. I've reshaped the body slightly and will refinish it in black with the neck showing trough in clear, adding gold plated Warwick hardware and EMG P/J pickups and a 2-band EQ for a more elegant look and metal focused tone
Doubted this video as an avid 5-string enthusiast, but you've got some good points here. I came from years of guitar before bass, so the theory (learning notes) and muting/string spacing issues didn't show up as much as if I was a true beginner. But I'll grant that slapping is ridiculously tough, and you make a great point about learning how and when to use that super low end.
I still think 5-strings are great, and I still think I feel like they're better to have than a 4-string. But I'll concede that starting on a 5-string is tougher.
The slap part is a problem on a 5 string, other than that it's fine to start from. Also it is easier to transfer from a 6 string guitar, the strings just not too far from each other.
Haha! And I literally graduated from playing a 5 string bass to a 6 string as a beginner. Got a little too excited I guess.
But I figured starting with a harder to use 5 string bass would make using a 4 string a easier so I didn't mind. I just got used to it.
Another amazing video, love the production value & the spot on content as always. Great job man, i was so excited to watch this one too & couldn't time till now hahaha.
Im a self taught bassist, I started on a squier pj, idk how I did it but managed to be good enough to play for my church. Only problem is that most songs always have notes achievable with the low B string, and I can’t really do the same for my bass without having to tune the E string all the way down. I’ve been interesting in investing on a 5 string, the only thing stopping from me is price, quality, issues I may come across such as muting the notes, and the fact that I may not like it.
I started out on a 6 string fretless bass. It was probably harder than it would have been on a 4 string fretted, but it was all I had (it belongs to my dad)
If someone wants to start on a bass with more strings, I think it's just as valid as starting on a 4 string. There a few things to keep in mind of course, as you mentioned in this video, but I wouldn't consider them a dealbreaker for a beginner.
It’s kinda funny because I learned Can’t Stop a week after I got my first 5 string- I never even thought about learning it when I only had my 4
I personally prefer playing the 5 string but this is very very true. Also I hate thinking of extra strings as needing to learn extra notes. You already know the notes, just the placement and I do think that 5 strings offer a ton of versatility and keep you from needing to down tune which I find worth it on it's own. You should never start with extra strings, guitar or bass. But you should know when to move up to extra strings and why. That's more useful than the 5 string itself.
Four strings are good for beginners. I've been playing for 3 years, but at this point I almost exclusively play on my eight string guitar or my sixth string bass. I just love that extended range. A few points I'll mention real quick, that tension issue with the B string can be alleviated with different string gauges and types. Also, although quite a bit harder to mute, extended range basses can also get an interesting harmonic reverb if you don't mute which is very suiting for some music. However, a four string is more suited to certain kinds of music. Four strings often have a different tone than an extended range basses, even if they use the same materials and electronics, due to the different scale length, wood thickness, and number of truss rods. Because I prefer to play on my six string, I'll often play music that doesn't use the extra strings which is just unnecessarily harder and for some pieces of music and might be impossible to play the conventional way. On the other hand, sometimes I find new ideas playing music that was written for a four string on my six string. Also, if I'm playing with people and I'm trying to show someone what I'm doing, standard range instruments are ideal. It really depends on what you want to do with your bass, if you just want to play classic bass lines you don't need the extended range. If you want to be able to make a wide range of sounds with your bass, you've decided that bass is your instrument and you want to be able to play anything on it, go for an extended range bass and maybe fretless too.
So funny story
I was thinking of getting a 5 string soon (probably an ESP or Spector for those intrested)
And as i saw this video in my reccomended, my mind had a sudden moment of "oh no, am i worthy"
But then as i watched the video all the reasons you had i had already gotten pretty good at
Im sure I will have trouble adjusting in the beginning but I think ill get past those
Cheers!
My first full scale instrument was a squier jazzbass 5 string and learning on it was a bit of a challenge but i dont regret getting it and learning on a 5 string whatsoever, its really up to prefrence
I feel like the floating thumb technique is best learned as early as possible...no matter how many strings. Maybe not a 1 string, I suppose.
My 5 string is my favorite bass of the 3 that I own, but I switch between them a lot. When I first started playing 5 string, it was a challenge, because I had been playing a 4 string for 20 years. I actually think it might be easier if you learned to play one from the get go, but that's just my thoughts on it. Great video, BTW.
agreed. If a I had new student come in with his first bass and it's a 5 string, I was always a little bummed. I'd tell them to ignore that B string and focus on the core four for our work - and then when I'd tell them the REAL use of a 5 string (lower notes in higher registered) they were always bummed - they wanted a reason to play dem LOW notes. Which are usually useless.
5:16 10/10 would listen to a full cover in that low octave and with that singing, they both give it some more aggression
Ode To The Five String Bass
by Nelson Montana
(My apologies in advance to my 5 string loving brothers)
There once was a time, when 4 strings were fine, and an E was as low as youd go.
But the desire to go deeper, turned out to be a keeper and they added a B as you know.
I too joined the crowd, the mantra was so loud The five is the one that will last.
But after many a gig, trying vainly to go big, my love of the B was soon past.
The notes didnt speak with the clarity that Id seek. And I found that I'd use it less and less.
It just got in the way, I keep thinking an E was an A, till finally asking, "is this for the best?"
It wasnt for James or Jaco or Chris. Victor Wooton and Steve Harris never fell.
Jeff Berlin said Nay and hoped itd just go away and Sir Paul would eschew it as well.
The Ox took a stand, amid the demands. as did John Paul Jones and Flea.
Rocco didn't veer and Sting just sneered -- unimpressed -- as was Pino and Geddy Lee.
Claypool went back, and accepted the fact -- it was good enough for Bootsy and Clarke
As did Osborne and Kaye, heading the way, and forever making their mark.
Then again, there was Anthony, who played mighty fancifully -- with even more strings than six!
Yet there are those, who still propose...he should stick to a four and a pick.
Of course theres a case, within the right space, to add some well placed low Ds
But these days if thats needed, Ive finally conceded Ill just play it on the god damn keys!
I started learning on a 4 string, then traded my friend for his 5 and every point you made in this video is correct. Muting sucks, knowing when to use the low B sucks, the low B sounds different, and is generally kinda really annoying. I knew I was committed to learning bass before I made the switch, and I don't regret it at all, but honestly, 70% of the songs I learn are written on a 4 string so... But when I need those extra low notes, nothing compares to the 5 string. Amazing video, and I'm glad that the points you made were well thought out. Everything you said is true, and the learning curve is much harder, very well made!
Great video as usual. I have never played a 5-string, but realize the issues you describe are legit. I was kind of bored and recently set up my Fender J-bass B E A D. I took the four low strings from a five-string set. I used lighter gauge flats. It stays in tune great. It's not as nimble as a normal setup, but very playable and fun. It's kind of a novelty and I had a spare bass to do it with. Thanks again for the awesome content!