5 Reasons You SHOULD Buy a 90s MTB!
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- The reasons why I think you should buy a 90s mountain bike
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Awesome. I love the different perspectives. “Like adult legos.” Awesome
Have always described my bike/parts bin to my wife as grown up legos. :)
Old enough (OG retrogrouches) viewers would find adult "erector set" suits as well.
The difference between a man and a boy is the price of his toys 🤣🤣🤣
And I thought I had this "original" argument for my wife, Lego for adults! LoL. All I can say is that great minds think alike!
lol, I like that.
The biggest reason to get a 90s mountain bike for me is finding a great chrome moly frame. There are some outstanding steel frames out there that should be getting ridden but aren't. Not any steel frame. But those built from high quality dbl butted chrome moly by the great designers of the lost art of frame building. These frames were created with compliance and resilience that is a joy to experience. Do your homework and locate one of these special bikes with the right geometry for your purpose, maybe put on some riser bars and tinker till you have your own special ride.
Double butted is for beginners ;-) True Temper OXII for the win, triple butted! (as used in my 1996 Gary Fisher x-caliber trailworthy resto-mod)
@@martinkrautter8325 True, lol.
Lost art? Man, there are frame builders out there doing amazing things now. Don’t insult them.
Fancy tubing is great but is surprisingly over emphasized with regards to ride enjoyment, capability or durability. Appropriate design, fit and frame alignment effect riding enjoyment of a bike far more than the tubing sticker. Once upon a time the most hyped up steel tubing was round straight gauge (without the option of ovalization) named Aermet.
Hey, does anybody have some 90s mountain bikes that you can recommend for those interested in getting started? Hopefully bikes that would be ridden.
Yes! Russ is becoming a retrogrouch. Sheldon Brown’s spirit lives!
Becoming? 😀
@@PathLessPedaledTV Sheldon Brown left some big shoes to fill. he was always my source for 70's French bike boom info, but now that I have gotten into 80's and 90's mountain bikes and also pre war American cruisers, I see he documented those too. Keep up the good work Russ!
Thanks for the shoutout! I think it is always great to share different opinions & discuss even if people don’t always agree - because that’s how we all learn at the end of the day, and people can weigh up both sides for themselves! nice vid cheers! 👍
I bought a 90s Gary Fisher for all the above reasons. During the pandemic, I needed a frame that fit my now 4'8" elder woman height, and something I could learn to maintain on my own, since I ride solo most of the time. With the help of my bike geek brother-in-law, and my local bike shop, I have rebuilt a nice, comfortable bike for riding rail-to-trails, and can climb the hills of the paved state highways between myself and the trails. It doesn't have all the braze-ons of touring bikes, but I don't pack as much as I did in the 80s and 90s when I did week long rides. It's a solid ride, but on my lazy days it's great getting out my very first new bike purchase from 1985, my Cannondale road bike with a big ol' granny gear, and really moving out with wind in my hair (preferably at my back!)
Indeed, my 90's MTB has perfectly functioning shifters (3X7, Shimano XT) and brakes. These components are bullet proof.
My dad's 90s Peugeot ATB (XT) shifts better than my 5 year old hybrid and the only parts he's replaced are cables, quality kit
@@tobygreenwood5036 so his bike from the 90s probably cost the same (back then) as your bike does now. It should be better.
@@koreydeese890 true, but I recently bought a surly and I don't expect that to be in perfect working condition in 25 years
Have a Ritchey P22, Rides great.
I'm, collecting all of the small ones of my old fav's as possible. They must be saved and loved.
The last reason is absolutely true for me. I picked up the wrenching hobby during lockdowns. Nothing has been more satisfying than getting around the parts shortages, tearing down, cleaning, lubing and rebuilding a vintage mtb to its newfound glory. Plus there’s a whole supportive community out there with Oldshovel, Gary’s Projects, monkeyShred and Toasty Rides just to name a few.
30 years old Marin Team Marin, Tange prestige with xt components, is my one and only bike last 19 years. Pure joy to ride.
Alexander Pope who was my favorite poet while I was in High School, created so many quotable lines, like the couplet, "To err is human, To forgive divine," also said, "No one should be ashamed to admit he is wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that he is wiser today than he was yesterday." In your case, you were not really wrong, you just produced an unfinished essay that needed a sequel. You were already very wise. Now you are wiser.
Your recent video scenario also illustrates that one of the most wonderful, valuable phrases in the English language is, "on the other hand." All the best.
I just got an old diamondback response sport, and I'm having the time of my life seeing what fits on it, coming up with cookey ideas, and just building a bike I want to ride! It's teaching me so much about bike maintenance I never knew too!
That’s a good bike! I had one until some s.o.b. stole it
Welcome to the diamond back club! 💪💪
I recently bought a 90s cannondale MTB, and at first I thought I hated it. After getting some more miles in the saddle though I'm absolutely head-over-heels for it. Its versatility is astounding, perfectly good for a comfortable commute thanks to the 2.3" Rene Herse tires, but nimble and capable of flattening steep hills and off-road shenanigans. Truly a do-almost-it-all bike that puts a big stupid grin on your face every time you ride it.
I love the old mountain bike that I bought and redid 10 years ago to this day. It is a bit heavy but bomb proof. Rides really well street or trail, on sunny days, rainy days and snowy days as well as at night. It was fun to convert it to the all rounder that it is with an internal 8 speed, front dyno - drum brake, roadster bar, B67 and the ability to carry lotsa stuff with mostly parts bin bits and pieces.
I bought a 90s mountain bike...in the 90s! And it's in my basement. Hoping to add a 650B fork with disk brake bosses and bikepack with it.
I'm still rocking my Schwinn Mesa GSX circa 1999.
I recently added a 1983(!) Trek 850 to my herd and I absolutely love it! It takes me back to my teenage years when I first fell in love with mountain biking. For me, there are definitely more smiles-per-mile on my old school ride than any of my newer bikes. Cheers to the joys of riding.
Turned my 90s Crossroad Specialized into a touring bike. Lots of gear space, holds 700c wheels, and wide tires. Perfect touring bike for crossroad adventures
I have a ‘96 Gary Fisher and it’s great! Fully rebuilt with a 1 x 10 drivetrain and a long travel fork gets the front up. 👍
My newest bike is an old bike, my older bikes are even older. Thanks for the pep talk!
In 2011 I turned my 99 Specialized Hardrock mountain bike into a cargo bike with a Xtracycle FreeRadical conversion kit, Surly rigid fork to replace the RockShock, CETMA 5-Rail front rack, Stokemonkey mid-drive electric assist kit, Velo Orange swept back bars and... some other stuff I'm forgetting.
It works great! I can haul tons of stuff and I can climb 20-25% grades with a passenger on the back. I I love it.
My XT cantilevers are the late 80s versions, They cleanup and look brand new, Still and work great with decent blocks
I recently purchased a 90s mountain bike. I use it for commuting , errands and leisure riding and am enjoying it. May try bikepacking.
Such nostalgia for this GenX'er. I really miss my old college Trek MTB. Heavy and inferior in many ways, but had a lot of fun on that thing. Maybe my fondest memory is really just being young, invincible and with fewer responsibilities or body aches...
I went on a steep learning curve putting together a revamped GT tequesta in 2020. It has taught me a lot about bikes. As a project, it was worthwhile for the experience.
I love 90's MTBs, I have three Konas, but have recently rediscovered 90's hybrids. I bought a Trek 750, double butted tubing, full STX groupset and 700c wheels for £40, in cracking condition. It rides a treat!
I was just looking at a 98 Trek catalog, so those MultiTracks are basically rugged road bikes with a flat bar and more tire clearance?
@@davetbassbos yes, I have a 1996 720 and it's such a gem
The early 90s hybrids were quite often that manufacturer's one-and-only touring frameset with flat bars, semi-knobby tires, and new stickers.
I had a 1991ish Cannondale H300 hybrid, that I bought for under a hundred bucks, that had the same frame and fork as the T2000 full-dress touring bike from the same year. The 1990-1994 Trek MultiTrak bikes are the same, only in True Temper steel instead of aluminum.
@@SMenkveld Interesting, I saw the Trek 520 touring model in the 98 catalog probably not that different from the current 520 touring model aside from the disk brakes. I ignored the hybrids at the time because of the old person image, but now that I'm old, they look they would make great commuters!
@@davetbassbos Trek just quietly discontinued their longest running touring model - the 520. In fact they no longer make ANY steel bikes - they dropped steel from their lineup because the marketers convinced the masses that aluminum is the best. It's a damn shame. Source - I work for Trek and desperately wanted a new steel 520 frame but cannot get one.
I started out on a 90s mountain bike and it was stolen! I’ve considered buying it all over again … even for the same price I paid back in 1995. But I still haven’t been able to. I really miss that bike!
I still love and ride my 1999 Oryx 125 MTB. Added ATB swept back bars and planing on adding friction shifting with a clutch derailleur. Keep up the great work Russ.
There is another quite similar category of bikes from the 90s, which is the "cross/hybrid" bikes of that time. With 28" wheels, but also using all the MTB components and also often using the same kind of high-quality tubing. For example, I got myself a Panasonic CB-4000 mixte from the early/mid-90s, with Tange Infinity tubing. These tend to be much easier to get for a good price here in Germany.
i bought a frame like this for 15 quid. the owner said it takes 700c wheels but it looked like a mountainbike frame to me? anyways it's a 700c for sure but all the other measurements are like mtb standard. the guy recommended i build a gravel bike out of it. it's still laying around in parts cause i'm missing a bb and some other stuff.
Mtb 90s had durable bike components despite it is old and the patina of the old chromoly frame is still amazing... Great bike project for those who loves retro😍⭐⭐⭐🤙
Nice job! 90’s MTB are just a fun bike to enjoy a ride.
Lol. Love some controversy and also love you being a funny/good sport and never taking TH-cam too seriously. :)
I live on the east coast and have rescued my share of great old bikes. It’s so rewarding bringing a cast aside bike back to life. I have many rescued old steel bikes, two have Reynolds 531 frames.
Surest sign you've gone full Fred: "I'm starting to really like cantilever brakes"
Thank you! On your other video I had to bite my tongue and see if there was going to be a change and you pretty much hit the good stuff on 90's mtb. My go to bike for the past 25 years is a 1992 Trek 950 set up with drop bars, bar-end friction Suntour shifters, fenders, rack, lights and bags. My true allrounder, gravel, trails, street, commuter, touring bike. I have also ridden on quite a few 100k to 200k brevets on it. Not the fastest but the most no worry bike I own. And my final say on these bike, it the easiest to maintain.
I recently got a Schwinn Paramount 30 PDG, it's a beauty. I agree they can be adapted to mostly anything you want.
still riding Scott comp racing 1997 and I love it.
Someone was throwing away a 90s Trek Mountain XC 850 bike, and I've been modifying it into a back packing bike.
You're right about the cantilever brakes, they're fantastic, and very simple to work on.
Now hold on right there, bud! There should be no modification of triples. Triples are triples and they stay and I'm pretty sure there is a sticker about that on the frame.
I still have the 88 Schwinn ProjectKOM I raced in the 80s/90s, the 88 Schwinn Cimarron I toured on and the 93 Zaskar I raced in the 90s. Original owner, all 3 American. Still love riding them as much as my newer bikes.
I have converted a few 90s to 650b road wheels and drops for some cyclocross fun.
I had the 87’ Cimarron back in college. Loved that bike!
I just score a 1991 Rocky Mountain Hammer with Ritchey logic super tube set and it comes with Suntour XC ltd groupo that I never even knew existed. and here you are with a bike that has the same brakes.
Amen Russ - good points. I do have some challenges with fit but I have short legs and a long torso so that is a big part of my issue. Love 90s MTB as a project bike and it is so versatile; commuter, all rounder, grocery getter, gravel grinder etc.
Genesis geometry on the old Big Sur's. Might be what your after. Git one, mine has been brilliant mountain biking and bikepacking, on any terrain (for me)with some new school mods and a bigger front end. It slacks things out perfectly.
My wife has a Trek Antelope 800 that she doesn't ride anymore. I have fiddled with it and added a rear rack, I even put Christmas lights on it last December. I'll jump on it to go to the grocery store, post office, or any other short ride. I've thought about changing the saddle, and handlebars, but not sure what direction to go. This has been a fun debate. Thanks for stirring things up a bit. 🙂
Love the old MTBs, save one thing: rim brakes. That would be non negotiable for me. Would have to convert to disk.
yeahh i think so!
I too started to work on, and ride, bikes in the early 2000's. There were plenty of 80's and 90's bikes in So Cal. I started with hybrids, then Japanese road bikes, then mountain bikes. The mountain bike handlebars, shifters and brake levers worked well with the road bikes. I too think of bikes as a kind of Lego toy. I still have some frames and parts to play with when the mood strikes!
its a great list, i would of talked about the practicality of the bike more but all your points are why I like mine. It's nice knowing you can built up a really great bike and it'll last so long that you can probably pass it on to someone else and it'll last for them as well.
Something like long-term economics or sustainability should be included, yeah.
@@cjohnson3836 what parts? theres always going to be rim brakes and shifters by companies like microshift or sunrace
@@cjohnson3836 do you want me to also say that theres always going to be people selling wheels and tires and stems too, maybe even pedals
@@cjohnson3836 what parts are you thinking of? I recently ordered a casette (8x) for a 90s bike and found it cheaper than a 10x would be. Friction shifters give you a lot of flexibility and you don't have to stick to period-correct parts if you just want to ride.
Another great video.
I have my / your FURTHER stickers on all three of my bikes.
Thank you
4:21 but fiddling with your bike is part of being an enthusist
Well this discussion has inspired me to look though some 90s MTB catalogs online. I will say the the dual suspension bikes look pretty weird, I'm willing to consider the current ones are better. But the steel hardtails are as cool as I remember!
My first bike touring/ bikepacking rig was a '92 Giant ATX 770. Fully rigid and fun as hell. It was an easy convert back then, but now it would be a project, which is always fun if, like you said, have the time.
Looks good. One Item I find a true luxury on rough roads, if you don't mind an extra pound, is your favorite type of suspension seatpost, along with your favorite saddle. You can change the seatpost anytime depending on your ride. You did forget one reason that is perhaps the most important. The 90's MTB is friendly. You can ride with friends in town, country roads, or on rail-trails in a social manner. A girlfriend or just a friendly comrade may want to ride with you, that is far more important than how fast you go. It is good you can ride comfortable, so your friends enjoy the ride.
Love watching Old Shovel restoration videos! Have a 97 GT Karakoram Clydesdale fork build. It’s a fun ride! Have a 92 GT Karakoram frame I’m not sure what to do with yet, but this gives me ideas. Great stuff!!
One of my favorite 90's mtn bike is my Breezer Lighting which is almost as light as my Salsa Warbird. Full rigid and super fast on single track courses where you don't need suspension. Right now, I have some road slicks on it and use it occasionally on pavement. Take care!
Nice intro shot of the bars / friction shifter / brake handle. It's like art...
The 93'/94' GT Zaskar with the rock shox quadra is the high water mark for 90's mtn bikes imho, that bike still shreds.
I totally understand the last video you made. Love em, lots to do regarding them. If you like to have a project going, do it! I also learned how to maintain a bike on my 1986 Trek Antelope. Finding them for cheap is getting a bit tougher, along with them not being readily available
I still got my dad's 1991 Marin Bobcat Trail 3 n the ride quality hardly change. Feels like today's flat bar gravel bike 😁
I have a 90s mtn bike, but it's an Alu frame with rockshok fork. Trek 3000 maybe the number wore off. it lives on with 5 inch riser bars racks etc. I think it was a cross country model.
it's now my tour packing mostly rail trail bike.
I preordered the categorical imperative sticker
😂
I still own my haro extreme full suspension mtb, from 1997. Its in great condition I must admit. The frame is rock solid. I recently completely slipped it down and fully upgraded it, except for crankset snd derailleurs with worked fine.
Now has front air shock, full disc brakes, new rims and xc tyres, dropper post and rear air shock. Was a great project and works great
spot on Russ - you make great points here.
My first bike was an early 90s discount club MTB that had some nice Suntour components on it. I rode it almost exclusively on road/paved trails. Then I got another bike with a Judy in the late 90s and did a lot of shredding around north central Kansas. I’d like to get my hands on a mid 2000’s Gary Fisher, which I’ve been lusting after for 20 years. Perfect for riding around town and locking up and forgetting.
Just did a resto-mod on a 93’ GT Palomar. Switched to a 1x11 Deore but kept the original Weinmann 26ers. I had to find a modern Shimano hub that had the exact same dimension and then un-lace the freewheel and re-lace with the Shimano freehub. Also switched to new v-brakes. This thing is awesome!
I have 3 90s mtbs. A Panasonic Team 1989 a specialized hard rock 1994 a sprick mtb 1994
Working on an old bike is like taking a trip. It's it's own reward.
After years of modern fancy mountain bikes with air suspension and hydraulic disc brakes. With the price of bikes nowadays that outweigh some cars and motorcycles, I bought an early 90s CCM shockwave with dual suspension, all original other than a more comfortable saddle in NEAR MINT condition from an older gentleman who couldn't ride anymore due to sialis problems. It was by SHEER LUCK that I only paid $250 for a pratically brand new bike from the 90s.
Looks so good with the 650b
Good points about simplicity and parts longevity. I had a couple mid level late 90s steel GT hardtail with I think Shimano LX? Very reliable and great on singletrack. The single track hasn't changed and I'm not sure how one of the modern 1X-carbon-29"-tubeless tire wonders would feel any better on the trail? I put 1" slicks on and commuted for a couple years, people do world tours on what are basically 90s MTBs It's possible late 90s MTB were the practical evolution of the type, who knows?
I like the early Dawes full 531 double butted frame and fork mtbs, Ranger / Countryman etc, super slack, coplient and will take 700 x 50mm knobby tyres if ya like. Pretty lugged lightweight frames that look funky as hell with 26" wheels. Cheap alternative to a 26" Surly or Roberts frame and rides like a dream loaded up.
Welcome back!~
Paint jobs are so much cooler on old vs new bikes!
I was born in 1980 and by the time I got my first bike brand new it was a 21 speed Shimano, frame was Dignity I think it was steel CrMo circa 94. Whilst my dad bought him self not one but two downhill bikes for him self. A Panasonic MC-Pro DH and a Nishiki FS3. My Dignity bike was sadly stolen long ago but both my dad's bikes were still in his house. So during the priod of the first pandemic, I took a bit of time to see my dad's bikes and surprisingly all were in good shape and as per catalogue. Even still have that Panaracer Dart and Smoke from back in the days! Since then, I try to learn what my dad used to fix his bikes him self and paddle my way until now. 90s MTB has a place in my heart, for sure.
I don't know if you mentioned it but the looks. They can look so cool and fast.
I love the soma dream bars! One of my fav non drop bars.
Your second to last point is my favourite. Although I may add, no time no money.
My 2000 Gary Fisher Tassajara still going strong as an all around. Changed tires to Schwalbe marathon plus, changed seat and added a riser stem. This bike can do everything! Wish I could post a pic.
I’ve got the same bike, and I bought it new in 2000. It’s a great bike that I still ride, and use for tours.
My $50 craigslist MTB is what brought me back to biking in general. It was the gateway for me. Now I have 3 more specific bikes!
Now you're talkin! Will I be doing serious trail riding with my old bikes? Nope. To me, these bikes represent a great platform for building a bike that I want to ride. Being an un-racer is also part of it. I think a lugged steel frame is a thing of beauty.
I'm really not into the planned obsolescence of today's bicycles. I like the interchangeability thing. I guess I'm an Eli Whitney fan.
I have those exact soma handlebars on my 90's mtb, they're sweet.
Fit a quill stem adapter to take modern stems and you can run all manner of setups, even BMX bars which is the future FYI. If you’re crazy tall like me a long seat stem and bmx bars makes a small mtb frame something to behold.
Totally agree with giving 90s mtbs some love.
In the UK and have just finished refreshing a free-to-good-home '95 Ridgeback 700series. Great quality Tange tube frame and nice shimano components & wheelset.
I was a teen in the mid 90s and have had a massive nostalgia trip in sourcing period correct bars, stem, brake boosters tyres etc. It rides in a way I'd forgotten about after years on modern hardtails with alloy frames and geometry.
It's just a shame it's a 20in frame and I usually ride a 16-17.5... top tube clearance issues means its likely going to be for sale - and probably at a loss unless I find the right buyer.
I turned my old mountain bike into an e-bike with a bafang kit, I love it now as a cargo bike. (I still have non e-bike road, gravel and touring bikes before you judge!)
I really liked your last video- you're like the Jerry Springer of bicycle channels! =)
"adult bike kit", I like that one
Once upon a time, I enjoyed repacking all the bearings twice a year. Those days are long gone…
Awesome video, in my own personal opinion, well said
Right On! Right On! Right On! ...and now I hate you for driving the price of 90s MTBs up with your exposure!
Some more I'd add: they make for great lockup bikes! +1 on frames - .9.6.9 tange prestige steel rides great. Also, if you pick one that's easy - i.e., 11/8th head tube and 135mm standard spacing and a 27.2mm stem - there no wild goose chases to be had. A win win :)
With all of the online resources available today, I think scavenger hunt is a more appropriate analogy than “wild goose chase”. (Another former English major here). 😄
Also, no offense to the sturdy burro featured in this video, but there were also some refined and gorgeous steel hardtails in the late 90s: Bontrager, Kona and many more. Also the XTR groupset from that period was perfect if you look at it scientifically!
Of course a few of just never sold our 90’s mountain bikes …or our 80’s bikes….. or our 70’s bikes…. N+ 1
Apply this idea to pawn shop rescue bikes as well. I found a Trek Verve 2 step thru for cheap knowing it needed work to build up an ebike project out of it. I have saw Treks and Cannondale several times for great deals especially if you or someone you know can haggle well.
I’ve bought a couple mid 90’s MTBs for real cheap, a Specialized and Raleigh got them both road worthy for friend to choose from, he wanted an all around bike but didn’t want a piece of junk nor spend a lot of money, he chose the classic black, lugged Raleigh
Took them both out on fire roads and slightly technical single track, both were very impressive for sub$100 dollar bikes, (including steel wool and wd40 😂
but compared to my favorite era bikes, early to mid 2000s not nearly as capable.
Moms a landlord with tons of these for me…for free
Well, recently I got a hold of a year 2000 Cube limited edition MTB for free. Pretty nice - Rockshox Judy Coil fork in great condition, Magura HS33, IS2000 Disk Brake Mounts on the frame which makes a potential upgrade to disk brakes possible (although the HS33 are working flawlessly and performing fantastically), A-Headset. I managed to unseize the BB, did a complete fork service, put a 780mm wide Handlebar on and successfully converted the 3x9 LX/XT shifters to 1x9 with a 40T cassette and a derailleur extender and a proper 1x chainring. It rides far better than would have expected - it has a nice, long reach, a rather slack headangle and strikes a good balance between stability and agility. At some point I gonna put an airfork and a dropper seatpost on it. Maybe disk brakes but since the HS33 are still in great working order I'll keep them as long as possible.
I've got a few 1994 Dawes Kickback comp (a reproduction of my childhood bike) a 1995 Marin indian fire trail (a reproduction of my Dads bike) a 1995 specialized S works team FSR (a reproduction of JMCs bike) and a 1996 Specialized stumpjumper (I found this for my sister in law then decided it was a bloody nice bike so bought it for myself)
Love your show you the best
My bike project is a Trek 950 (steel & rigid fork). Easy to work on, and great looks imho. It looks a lot like the new Ritchey Ascent. I wished they made 90's MTBs, with modern technologies, like disc brakes and carbon forks. Nowadays, you cannot find a new 26' MTB frame with a rigid fork at all.
Reliability! I bought a 1994 Cannondale M300 new (same frame as all 1994 M series with cheap components). Used to have more time than money and figured I’d replace the “cheap Alivo crap” when it wore out… I still plan to replace it when it wears out!
They are Adult Legos. Recently bought a 1990 Cannondale SM500 for $60. Everything was original except the paint! I’m having fun going through each part with a toothbrush, polishing compound, etc.
After enjoying both videos, I'm left wondering what is the ride like on 26ers? how did the paramount compare to similar frames? & how different does it feel with modern tires?
I think you should do a duo project with Oldshovel; it would be interesting I imagine!