correction: the cable length will be fixed in their new generation (v4) of superchargers tesla charging cables being short makes me think of the rumored caveat to apple's usb c compliance [ie. only allowing high speed data transfers on approved usb c cables]. just compliant enough to reap the benefits, but not compliant enough to actually be consumer friendly
Might want to look more into the company’s charging plans instead of making damning claims like this. Tesla’s V4 charging stalls will have longer cables. The first one has been installed in the Netherlands, and they will begin installing them in North American markets soon. V4 stalls will be able to accommodate all EVs, even the ones that have absolutely ridiculous charging port locations.
@@waynelewis9110 I don't follow Tesla news much so I wasn't aware they were planning to release a new generation of superchargers. I (wrongfully) assumed this was as far as they were going to go in terms of allowing other cars to access the network
The CCS spec is for 500A, so when a Tesla can charge at 250kW, it's 25% above the 200kW implied maximum of 400V. A longer cable might complicate things even further.
@@virtual-viking i don't think the cable length will be increasing enough to cause the complications you're thinking of... maybe if it were increased by miles or kilometers, but definitely not by feet
@@virtual-viking How are you doing "the math" in this case to convert the CCS 500A spec to the 400V? (200kV-A / 400V) ? If so, why would u think a larger cable, say by 10-15 feet, would impact the power received by the car battery? Probably there's got to be a self adjustment, either by the charger or the "smart" battery would know better or am I overestimating the "smartness" of either?
UPDATE - Clearly Tesla is getting ready for non-Tesla charging. The map shown at 3:36 is outdated - they've added an option "Supercharges open on NACS" with I think means, if you bring your own NACS adapter, you can use the charger ~ correct?
That's what Telsa should do, open up the charging Network to all EVs. however they should charge non Tesla vehicles more and they will make a profit off of it as well.
@@thibaultmol whats the logic? One word "Proprietary"....... they are not a 3rd party charger..... its an OEM who makes car and charger of their car.... so it logical to charge higher of non tesla.....
They can and should charge nonTesla more because at the beginning of the supercharger startup Elon asked all the other automotive companies to chip in to pay for their implementation. GM said they are not in the electric business others said similar.. Those companies screwed you not Tesla. Tesla chargers about the same as other chargers and charges less to Tesla customers.
Gently Bently... Tesla would be foolish to open all stations instantly to non-Teslas - chaos. In cities, non-Teslas can find a charge point; in the sticks... not so much. As bugs are ironed out Tesla will no doubt open things up, gradually. It makes sense - it's another revenue stream for Tesla. And as we all know, the next generation chargers now being deployed have a much longer cable.
Can you update this pls... u should have started with "there are only 6 available supercharging stations which support this"...In my case (Sept 2023), the app immediately shows "CHARGE YOUR NON TESLA" in the main menu, but I have just started trying and every Tesla supercharging station that shows on the Tesla app says "8-9 KwH max"... so like WTF??? Now I wonder if this is accurate or not... another thing is if this CCS adapters are indeed available in many other stations, but the Tesla app just won't show them... Any useful info, deeply appreciated in advance.
It amazes me the inability of CCS drivers to follow instructions. Push up to remove is not that complicated. Maybe this is why CCS stations are always broken.
Like I've always said, Tesla is going to be making it's money from charging. Make sure there are lots of ev's out there and have them charge at your stations. Voila, easy money.
Can you buy that big adapter and plug it into the regular Tesla charger? That way you're not restricted to only the chargers with the adapter. I'm contemplating the I7 but am a bit hesitant about the availability of compatible chargers on the interstate highways
Roberto, did you change the voltage setting in the menu prior to charging at the Tesla station? I went to this Placerville charging site to try it out for my i4. The adapter worked and fit but the charge wouldn’t start. I’m set on 32V at home for my home charging station. The Tesla app was ready to go with a created account and loaded credit card on the site.
@@LastWish90I know where the weeknesess of an old BMW e46 is!You have to change the whole coolingsystem!You have to do it befor you have a problem!You do it ones right!And only buy a 6 cylinder!Its nice to improve your car and preserve it!Way better then buying a new car!
It's just really sad that the Electrify America charging station was WORSE for the car built to use it whereas the one built exclusively for teslas worked more seamlessly and got you more KW/hr. I'm sorry. 8Kw/hr? that's just pathetic. Step up your game EA.
I have used Electrify, though I tried to stick to EVgo (Im in the east cost) with my Bimmer... So, 8Kw/hour was not accurate in general (probably that specific charger had a problem and creates more "drama" for this video )... anyway, the Tesla supercharging stations are more conveniently located and that's why I am researching how to do it. I don't even have the Tesla app yet installed on my iPhone, but I am gonna give it a try. Still, sometimes even to get juice for 15-20 mins feels to me so unconvenient... but I rush to buy this SUV.
What kind of kable is this? It is not the common CCS standard. The big problem when charging a non-Tesla at a Tesla Supercharger is not the technic or the communication. It´ s their position. Mostly there are these stupid bumpers on the ground to protect the superchargers. But for BMW e.g. the cable is to short and you don ´ t get car close enough, when it is not a V4 charger.
@@skumflum7511well! I think it’s other oem’s problem who agreed to use Tesla supercharging network and decided to start using NACS port on their vehicles from 2025. If they planned for this then it’s logical to relocate the port to match Tesla cars.
That's the whole purpose of this video. Just make sure u have the Tesla app installed, u have set ur credit card to charge, etc, etc... and when u are ready u MUST indicate in the app to get the CCS adapter out when u take the "nozzle" off the supercharging port. I have not tried in my BMW and that's why I am just watching it Today. The location of many other stations is pretty inconvenient.
@craighermle7727 wise, but I am already stuck with BMW... and EVgo (and the poor maintenance of their charging docks, the people answering on support, the price of KW-h depending on the time of day... I am talking about Florida)... Would you mind sharing ur pains?
@brunoheggli2888 a wise decision... should've known better. I still somehow feel the charging is a pain in the arse. Just consider the heavy duty maintenance the companies (including Tesla) need to give to each charging dock. They seem sturdy but without being vandalized, they have a lot of issues (and the blame starts... "it's not the charging - must be your car... " and on and on and on...
@@brunoheggli2888 That is correct, but I moved from my old hybrid to this “extraordinaire” and quite expensive BMW (only electric) naively thinking (since years passed by) that it was time for the shift… With my old hybrid… I did gas a lot and felt like “cheating”
This is a genius move by Tesla to further dominate the EV world. Get on board or fall behind. Just bought more stock to take advantage of all that NEW revenue Tesla will rake in from all the other EV's. Elon is pure genius.
Why is electrify america so bad?
It’s bad because it’s not reliable
Should of bought a hybrid or idk a gas car 🤯
It’s bad because the people running it installed unreliable charging units with lousy hardware/software and it seems like they don’t really care.
correction: the cable length will be fixed in their new generation (v4) of superchargers
tesla charging cables being short makes me think of the rumored caveat to apple's usb c compliance [ie. only allowing high speed data transfers on approved usb c cables]. just compliant enough to reap the benefits, but not compliant enough to actually be consumer friendly
Might want to look more into the company’s charging plans instead of making damning claims like this. Tesla’s V4 charging stalls will have longer cables. The first one has been installed in the Netherlands, and they will begin installing them in North American markets soon. V4 stalls will be able to accommodate all EVs, even the ones that have absolutely ridiculous charging port locations.
@@waynelewis9110 I don't follow Tesla news much so I wasn't aware they were planning to release a new generation of superchargers. I (wrongfully) assumed this was as far as they were going to go in terms of allowing other cars to access the network
The CCS spec is for 500A, so when a Tesla can charge at 250kW, it's 25% above the 200kW implied maximum of 400V. A longer cable might complicate things even further.
@@virtual-viking i don't think the cable length will be increasing enough to cause the complications you're thinking of... maybe if it were increased by miles or kilometers, but definitely not by feet
@@virtual-viking How are you doing "the math" in this case to convert the CCS 500A spec to the 400V? (200kV-A / 400V) ? If so, why would u think a larger cable, say by 10-15 feet, would impact the power received by the car battery? Probably there's got to be a self adjustment, either by the charger or the "smart" battery would know better or am I overestimating the "smartness" of either?
So that means that someone will make up an extension cable and sell it.
UPDATE - Clearly Tesla is getting ready for non-Tesla charging. The map shown at 3:36 is outdated - they've added an option "Supercharges open on NACS" with I think means, if you bring your own NACS adapter, you can use the charger ~ correct?
I enjoyed the video and I enjoy hearing you on the Wheel Bearings podcast. Thanks for the entertainment!
My super charger had someone cut off all the cables over the supper was fixed in 2 days
Whats the name of the app?
so u didn't try another station at electrify america
That's what Telsa should do, open up the charging Network to all EVs. however they should charge non Tesla vehicles more and they will make a profit off of it as well.
Why should they charge non Tesla drivers more? What's the logic there. When you buy a Tesla, you buy the car.
I love to do food videos while smoking weed on my TH-cam channel, to cure people’s boredom bro
@@thibaultmol whats the logic? One word "Proprietary"....... they are not a 3rd party charger..... its an OEM who makes car and charger of their car.... so it logical to charge higher of non tesla.....
@@naieuc I agree 👍
They can and should charge nonTesla more because at the beginning of the supercharger startup Elon asked all the other automotive companies to chip in to pay for their implementation. GM said they are not in the electric business others said similar.. Those companies screwed you not Tesla. Tesla chargers about the same as other chargers and charges less to Tesla customers.
Interesting. But what was the app that was on your phone?
Tesla App
Having to use the wrong stalls to charge is an issue
Only 8 nationwide?
Gently Bently... Tesla would be foolish to open all stations instantly to non-Teslas - chaos. In cities, non-Teslas can find a charge point; in the sticks... not so much. As bugs are ironed out Tesla will no doubt open things up, gradually. It makes sense - it's another revenue stream for Tesla. And as we all know, the next generation chargers now being deployed have a much longer cable.
Tesla is smart to do this become shell to much headache to deal with car repairs just make stations
How do you know it’s a universal Tesla charger
Can you update this pls... u should have started with "there are only 6 available supercharging stations which support this"...In my case (Sept 2023), the app immediately shows "CHARGE YOUR NON TESLA" in the main menu, but I have just started trying and every Tesla supercharging station that shows on the Tesla app says "8-9 KwH max"... so like WTF??? Now I wonder if this is accurate or not... another thing is if this CCS adapters are indeed available in many other stations, but the Tesla app just won't show them... Any useful info, deeply appreciated in advance.
It amazes me the inability of CCS drivers to follow instructions. Push up to remove is not that complicated. Maybe this is why CCS stations are always broken.
It just works.
Cool video! I’m just curious as I have a model Y and wondering if we ever got a BMW IX can I use an adapter with a Tesla wall charger at home?
If I'm not mistaken, I believe you can even buy said adapter from Tesla's own web store.
Yep. You can already use a Tesla home L2 charger for any EV. (All you need is an adaptor.)
Like I've always said, Tesla is going to be making it's money from charging. Make sure there are lots of ev's out there and have them charge at your stations. Voila, easy money.
Big ups for a good video, and for wearing that Nick Cave shirt.
Great video! Appreciate the visit in 916.
Can you buy that big adapter and plug it into the regular Tesla charger? That way you're not restricted to only the chargers with the adapter. I'm contemplating the I7 but am a bit hesitant about the availability of compatible chargers on the interstate highways
Roberto, did you change the voltage setting in the menu prior to charging at the Tesla station? I went to this Placerville charging site to try it out for my i4. The adapter worked and fit but the charge wouldn’t start. I’m set on 32V at home for my home charging station. The Tesla app was ready to go with a created account and loaded credit card on the site.
Was anyone else concerned about the small dog 🥲
My God, Tesla's are so awesome to drive. But I love BMW too.
Buy a classic e46 BMW!
@@brunoheggli2888 Endless money pit, had one for a while as a transitioning car, cuz my old car got totaled, then bought a Tesla.
@@LastWish90I know where the weeknesess of an old BMW e46 is!You have to change the whole coolingsystem!You have to do it befor you have a problem!You do it ones right!And only buy a 6 cylinder!Its nice to improve your car and preserve it!Way better then buying a new car!
@@LastWish90 Even bettee you buy 3 BmW e46!one compleat stock,one mild tuned and one hardcore!
@@brunoheggli2888 E46 last up to 180K miles, transmission goes after
Thank you Tesla
Tesla didn’t open them so Tesla customers can charge vs a non Tesla tying up two spots because their ports can’t get to the Tesla cable.
It's just really sad that the Electrify America charging station was WORSE for the car built to use it whereas the one built exclusively for teslas worked more seamlessly and got you more KW/hr.
I'm sorry. 8Kw/hr? that's just pathetic. Step up your game EA.
I have used Electrify, though I tried to stick to EVgo (Im in the east cost) with my Bimmer... So, 8Kw/hour was not accurate in general (probably that specific charger had a problem and creates more "drama" for this video )... anyway, the Tesla supercharging stations are more conveniently located and that's why I am researching how to do it. I don't even have the Tesla app yet installed on my iPhone, but I am gonna give it a try. Still, sometimes even to get juice for 15-20 mins feels to me so unconvenient... but I rush to buy this SUV.
The EA stations by me range from 150kw-350kw.
What kind of kable is this? It is not the common CCS standard. The big problem when charging a non-Tesla at a Tesla Supercharger is not the technic or the communication. It´ s their position. Mostly there are these stupid bumpers on the ground to protect the superchargers. But for BMW e.g. the cable is to short and you don ´ t get car close enough, when it is not a V4 charger.
Taking up 2 stalls to charge one car.
Teslas problems not mine
@@skumflum7511well! I think it’s other oem’s problem who agreed to use Tesla supercharging network and decided to start using NACS port on their vehicles from 2025. If they planned for this then it’s logical to relocate the port to match Tesla cars.
Love seeing Tesla bros mad.
Awesome & Thanks :)
Can you say passive aggressive
BMW can change at the Tesla Supercharger ..?
That's the whole purpose of this video. Just make sure u have the Tesla app installed, u have set ur credit card to charge, etc, etc... and when u are ready u MUST indicate in the app to get the CCS adapter out when u take the "nozzle" off the supercharging port. I have not tried in my BMW and that's why I am just watching it Today. The location of many other stations is pretty inconvenient.
And this is why I won't buy anything that relies on EVgo or Electrify America. Sorry BMW
@craighermle7727 wise, but I am already stuck with BMW... and EVgo (and the poor maintenance of their charging docks, the people answering on support, the price of KW-h depending on the time of day... I am talking about Florida)... Would you mind sharing ur pains?
I am as well, at leaast fpr the time being. I can't rid of my 440 GC fast enough. Which model did you get?
@@craighermle7727 iX xDrive50 2022 and the dealer offered 1 year of free charges with Electrify America…
Robbie ever since I heard you on Leo your hatred for Tesla was obvious !! Tons of wrong info in your review.
Eight stations? My pronouns are Thanks Elon
Just buy an old nice BMW,no charger needed!
Or he can wake up to a full “tank” every morning…
@brunoheggli2888 a wise decision... should've known better. I still somehow feel the charging is a pain in the arse. Just consider the heavy duty maintenance the companies (including Tesla) need to give to each charging dock. They seem sturdy but without being vandalized, they have a lot of issues (and the blame starts... "it's not the charging - must be your car... " and on and on and on...
@@McFred1065 Pluginhybrids are the answer!We can use still the ice infrastructure if needet until we build the new ev infrastructure step by step!
@@brunoheggli2888 That is correct, but I moved from my old hybrid to this “extraordinaire” and quite expensive BMW (only electric) naively thinking (since years passed by) that it was time for the shift… With my old hybrid… I did gas a lot and felt like “cheating”
This is a genius move by Tesla to further dominate the EV world. Get on board or fall behind. Just bought more stock to take advantage of all that NEW revenue Tesla will rake in from all the other EV's. Elon is pure genius.
Your parked in the wrong stall, if you can’t charge parking like a Tesla beat it. Your blocking chargers for Teslas !