Time Stamps 1:03 Meryl Davis wedding 3:15 Gracie Gold (social media clips, motivation, Vincent) 13:00 Karen Chen, USFS is not supportive, Sean Rabbitt (what top 6 U.S. man is a leftie?) 22:20 Jonathan is a reality TV star (Worst Cooks in America) (Dave was also contacted) 26:45 Commission on Patreon! 28:00 Bad Guy-Bille Eilish-Zagita-Danny G choreography controversy (Russian exhibitions in general, skating twitter) 38:20 Polina Tsurskaya interview (coaching based in shame - generational?) 42:10 Colorado Broadmoor open (Rika’s quad sal, Vincent going to Brown, Tom Z leaving, Young You) 48:45 Eunsoo 50:00 Alysa Liu 57:00 Olympic team event 59:41 Trusova interview 1:03:00 Hanna Harrell 1:04:48 Jason and Camden at Peggy Fleming Trophy (mention of Josh Farris)
TheSkatingLesson oops sorry, I was rushing trying to get this up before going out haha so the quality of these time stamps is definitely more dubious than usual
Daniil didn’t use choreo from the music video, he used an independent choreographer’s work without even asking for permission. That’s extremely disrespectful and unprofessional. You may not like the music or the choreography (I don’t like it either) but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was pretty serious.
exactly... and I don’t think it would’ve been that hard for Daniil to reach out and ask for permission to use it; she most likely would’ve said yes and this whole “plagiarism” scandal wouldn’t be as big as it is/was. It’s like saying that Medvedeva can use Alina’s “survivor” exhibition without getting any hate for it.
@@ericawashington310 ,no it's about two different things-one thing is dancing on ice (in ice-arena),but other thing is dancing in the hall (on the floor,i mean).Liza used almost 100% choreo from Britney's "Toxic" (from scene- stewardess with the glasses to pretending herself into provocative showgirl);but nobody calls Liza "plagiarist",because she was dancing on ice,in ice-arena(although Liza named herself as choreographist of her ex program),Danil used just two sequences from JoJo (it's about 20 seconds of his choreo) and somebody used it to make drama.
Nenena sveks yes, Liza used almost all Britney’s chores but she’s not as well known as Alina is. I’m not saying that she’s (Liza)right for stealing the chores but the thing is that no mentioned it. The same rules apply to every skater and dancer but some people decide to pick and choose who they want the hate to go towards and that’s one of the problems I have with figure skating. Plagiarism isn’t right in ANY scenario no matter how well known the person is or what sport or hobbie they do.
@@ericawashington310 ,agree with you about plagiarism;but Liza is also well known as Alina is.Liza was GPF gold,European & Worlds gold during 2014/15, season.
Nenena sveks okay but Alina has more fans than Liza... and she won the Olympics and is world standing number one. Liza missed a good chunk of last season due to her being sick (I’m glad she’s better). All I’m saying is that, Alina has more recognition in the world but mostly in Russia and Japan then Liza.
You prolly didn't research much about the Bad Guy choreo plagiarism thing that happened. Jojo Gomez was an independent choreographer who did a whole choreography for a song on youtube, she's not that famous. So for Daniil to use exactly the choreography that she did on her own and take credit for it without even saying BEFORE that he got inspired by the dance video IS plagiarism. The choreography was shown in shows in Japan and televised with people thinking that was his own choreography because you know, unlike Gangnam Style or Backstreet Boys, this wasn't a dance made by a famous artist.
Re: Jojo, I don't agree that the situation is the same as doing the moonwalk or the YMCA those are famous moves from iconic songs. This is a relatively new song and the choreographer ( isn't the artist ) even with that many followers isn't exactly famous or a household name. She had every right to try to get some publicity because it wasn't just the moves he really just lifted the concept altogether. Publicity is currency in this modern world, why shouldn't she eat? He didn't credit her until she made the post and in 2019 I'm never going to fault a woman standing up for herself saying "hey that's my idea/work"... the fuss she made is the only reason she got the credit. Also, you don't have to like jojo work to respect her those ending comments were ugly and ironic as hell considering what people say about this show.
i dont agree with your thoughts about the jojo gomez thing. even if you dont like her choreography, shes not in the same situation as the examples you mentioned. daniil already admitted he copied her choreography, yet you still defend him and mock her for even making a stance. the thirst is real aint it
@@maryelle1927 I live in Santiago, Chile. It is the capital of Chile, and it's a large 7 million people city, located in a valley inbetween the andes mountain range.
Santigo de chile me muero por ir .Me enganche a sus realities de mega y tambien a veces veo intrusos y al rojo vivo.Los chilenos son personas maravillosas.Vives en un pais precioso😍😍
I have to say I normally enjoy your snarkiness but the comments towards JoJo's choreography were quite cruel. While I personally am not a fan of her choreography there is a thin line between actual criticism and cruelty. Also what Danny G did is plagiarism (though I agree Alina is not to blame for this situation).
there is no plagiarism in dancing world-what about Liza and her "Toxic" interpretation? She used many movements and sceenes from Britney 's video (choreo) of "Toxic"-like sceene with the glasses,welter on the floor (in Liza's case-ice).movements during her dance,..etc,but nobody calls Liza "plagiarist",although Liza named herself as a choreographer of "Toxic".Yes,Danil took just one or two parts from JoJo's choreo ;it's about 25 seconds of Alina's ex program (and the worst-my opinion).Don't take me wrong,i respect Liza and enjoy watching her on ice;but the main point is- attack on Danil
I will say about the zagitova drama, though it may not legally break “copyright law” because I’m not sure she ever copyrighted those moves, but it’s a different situation than doing a Michael Jackson move or a Gangnam style thing. When you do those moves, everyone knows that it’s a tribute to those artists. Everyone recognizes where it comes from. The moves that zagitova did were not in the Billie eilish music video, they were the choreographer’s dance moves. It would have been a different situation if the moves had come from the music video and people recognized that it was a tribute to eilish but that’s not the case. It was more than shirt biting that zagitova did. The first 20 seconds and several other parts of the were also take from the video. Jojo specifically stated that she did not blame zagitova but daniil because he should have known better. I think the reason why jojo got so worked up was because she isn’t a highly known choreographer and she would have liked the opportunity to choreograph and go to Japan instead of having someone else use her moves. Yes it was a bit immature on her part but I don’t think her feelings are as “ridiculous” as you guys have made them to be. She’s definitely in her right to feel mad imo
@Mila Roberts - I absolutely agree with you. Also, Daniil gave an interview praising his choreography and then he turns around and copies choreography....
I wonder if Jo Jo had permission from Billie to chorrograph to her copyrighted music. Anyway, can't Danii give her half credit on Wikipedia or something, to sush this up?
@Lg lg I wouldn't call jojo gomez unknown... her choreo for that song has 1.8M views, she has 1.3M subscribers, and some of her videos have over 6M views.... She's definitely way more known that Daniil. I'm a huge skating face and a huge dance fan and I recognized that choreography instantely (not that every dance fan would since obv not EVERYONE knows jojo, but I happen to and that's straight up copying, not an homage, not anything else)
Kamila Valieva is miles ahead of Alysa, and I expect the JGP to go in her favor. Kamila has beautiful spins, great extension, and skates so much faster than Alysa. I may not like Eteri, but she knows how to package her juniors better than whatever the Americans are doing. Alysa is so slow and her jumps are so scary. I trust Kamila’s quad toe more than Alysa’s sketchy quad lutz.
Alysa is a great great talent and i expect medals from her this season, but not only is slow and the rotation on her jumps is a bit cheated but i noticed the landing is also a bit like Radionova's jumps always with that free leg close to touch the ice which may become a big problem going forward. While Kamila Valieva looks already perfection: speed, skating skills, spins, transitions is all there, the only thing is that we haven't seen her quad toe in competition yet so we don't know how consistent that element is.
Kamila has been with Eteri only one season ..one ..her coaches did a pretty good job with her and at one point she was even coached by kudriatsev, wife and him ...a legend even hamada said that she will like to be like him.
@@maryelle1927 what a load of crap. i'm hearing how eteri haters repeating this bs over and over again. whenever it's skater that they don't like, then "bad technique" and other stuff are always an eteri's fault. they don't care if a skater just spent with eteri 2 months. everything bad that she's doing was teached by eteri. and if they are talking about the girl that they like, it's the other way around. all the good stuff is coming from some unknown genius. even 5 years with eteri is not enough to learn something. have you ever followed kamila career, prior to eteri? of course you don't. but i've actually followed her. so i can say with all honesty that you have not the slightest idea on the matter. kamila always was great artistically. but as a skater, before eteri she was hopeless. if someone told me 2 years ago that kamila will become number 1 in the russian junior team, and will be jumping quads, i would thought that the person is nuts. the girl was taking 15-17 places at local moscow competitions of her age. and i don't know what hamada have told you, but dudakov is an actual kudryavtsev student. he's in very close relationship with kudryavtsev and teaching the jumps the same way as viktor nikolaevich. kamila has nothing to do with kudryavtsev. she was coached by kudryavtsev wife at the age of 8 and that's the end of their relationship. for the most of her time in the "moscovite" club she was coached by natalya dubinskaya.
Kamila is damn amazing. She could compete with senior girls while Alysa stills looks like a novice throwing out jumps she can barely do. That might work in the US to win, but it won't work everywhere else.
Jojo is a choreographer, Daniil is a choreographer. They both have the same job. Daniil was completely in the wrong here - I’m so over y’all not properly researching what you talk about. It’s not a famous choreography - it’s a single woman choreographing her own material to dance to. Alina is innocent but Daniil was completely in the wrong.
I think its impossible not to be outraged about what Daniil did if you know all the facts. Your comments are ill informed and very cruel for no reason at all. I am very dissaponted in you and thats coming from a big fan of yours.
It's baffling to me how Alysa's team wants to rush everything with her. She's only 13, and she needs to improve a lot in everything she does, two 4Lzs and 3As is completely unnecessary at that age, especially with that very bad technique she has. None of the those were clean at Broadmoor either. Don't forget that she already had a hip operation too. She could do less but work on quality, instead of quantity. At the rate she's going...I wonder if she makes it to Beijing.
Unfortunately skating is now in the culture of bigger jumps as soon as possible. Alysa could stick to 3-3 combos but she'll never win--the rest of her skating isn't that remarkable...she'll need the 3A and possibly a quad to compete. The past few years have taught us that PCS are a complete and total joke and that the only way to get noticed if you're not Russian is to throw out a big trick. Land the big tricks and the PCS will magically rise. I hate that Alysa is rushing all of the big elements but she will likely be the ONLY American in contention for a medal this season on the junior level. Without the bigger tricks she wouldn't stand a chance.
@@herm712 I don't say she should only do 3-3 combo and that's it. But two triple Axels and quad Lutzes are WAY too much and unnecessary. One would be more than enough - she could be more consistent with a safer layout, and we know that with consistency and the US flag next to her name would do wonders with her PCS anyway, independent from the actual quality of her skating, choreo, IN/PE, or the amount of transitions. With this complete recklesness I wonder if her technique survive until she turns senior.
I do think that if she wants to keep on medalling at seniors those quads are necessary, but tbh she's losing so many points bc of the quality of her jumps right now so she has more important things to work on
Im starting to notice you guys love to comment on something you are not completely aware of. Daniil copied a choreography of an indenpendent choreographer. Not the choreography in the music video of Billy Eilish. Its not the same as gangnam style that had an official choreography in the music video. Daniil claimed the piece to be choreographed by him and did not credit Jojo. If your a chereographer you should be aware of the ethics in the industry. I guess you guys love to defend people who are publicly bullied or scrutinized. You can do that but dont discredit other people in doing so. Jojo was right to defend her claim in her masterpiece. Daniil was wrong to claim it to be his. Plagiarism it is. If your not fully aware of an issue just dont comment on it or do your research more.
I have never seen "Bad Guy", so I don't know what the video is. However, Dave and Jonathan, even I know that stealing someone else's work and passing it off as your own is PLAGIARISM. Daniil G. was pretty stupid to do what he did - he's a choreographer himself, and more, he's an adult. He put Alina Zagitova in a terrible position with his reckless, disrespectful, and irresponsible actions. Even if it isn't copyrighted, it's still important to give someone credit for the work they do. Jojo is in the right to accuse Daniil on his actions. If anyone's reputation should be questioned and damaged, it should be his, and not Zagitova's.
Does anyone pay attention to 10% rule mentioned by TSL? There were less than 10% moved in the performance, so no plagiarism. Daniil appologized to JoJo because he is a gentlemen and wanted to do things right, but come on, JoJo got more popular after this drama! So, she did not loose anything, she gained popularity among figure skaters.
@@olgab4767 The fact of the matter is, and why many others are upset by this, Daniil did NOT credit the actual choreographer. He did NOT ask for permission from said choreographer AT ALL. This could have been avoided very easily if he had simply ASKED to use a small segment of the choreography from Jojo, but he didn't. As a choreographer, artist or writer, being a creative force in your own right is terribly important.What Daniil G. did shows that he has no integrity, and equally worse, has no actual creative expression of his own. It shows that he was lazy, couldn't be bothered to do his own work (he's a fucking choreographer!), and sloppy. The consequences of his actions can lead to others doubting his abilities, as well as Alina Zagitova, and anyone else he choreographs for. This is why plagiarism is a serious issue, and not one to joke about in the slightest. Being more popular isn't so much the issue here as the blatant DISRESPECT and INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY served to Jojo Gomez. It seems like you're trying to downplay Daniil's actions. This kind of reasoning doesn't make for good justification. Jojo more popular from it? This is hardly the kind of thing anyone would appreciate. Look down at Evan Perilstein's link on plagiarism, or do some research for yourself.
@@ericawashington310 Zagitova is a teenager who trusts her coaches and choreographer. It's not her fault her choreographer screwed her over. This is not the way to treat your country's Olympic champion. Dave and Jonathan need to get someone who knows copyright law to speak about this instead of trying to justify what they think they know.
The problem was the video daniil took choreography from wasn’t Billie Eilish’s video, it was a separate choreographer who choreographed a dance to her song
@Lg lg its just that they keep saying music video, which is bringing billie into it. it has nothing to do how morally wrong it is, which it is. they are just correcting TSL
i am very very disappointed that you guys talked on the topic without making slightest effort to research you are definitely competent when it comes to skating, but obviously not when it comes to urban/hiphop/street dance scene jojo is one of the biggest choreographers out there, and people constantly stealing choreo is a HUGE problem, not only for her, but for a other choreographers she will not get any money from her TH-cam videos, all of it goes to billie managment, so the only valuable thing is choreo itself sadly, it cannot be protected under copyright law(which is not ok for me) and it all would've been fine if he credited her from the beginning , as not doing so is very disrespectful (imagine some skating choreographer copying Daniils choreo for someone, what fuss it would've been) people are not idiotic jojo had every right to protect her work and call him out. and you only look ignorant talking like that. hopefully you will look into the issue more to get what's wrong! p.s.: I'm very sorry for horrible grammar that may be present and my mediocre English skills!
Nadya Vasileva Really??!! “Biggest choreographers out there”... 🤨 I doubt it!!! ‘Cause, I’m from America, and I just heard about her since this media frenzy. At the end, she is being “famous” now, because of the 2 sec “stole choreo”
@@jesuisleslie8509 I talk not about dance scene, not general public. let's be honest most choreographers are not known generally and they could be LEGENDS for dancers.
Not going to lie. I just binged watched the last 3-4 videos (excluding the new programs) today and I was just ending the interview with Gabriella and Guillaume when this showed up. I thought I was finally going to be caught up, but at least now I have something to watch tonight. That and it wasn't posted at 12am, so I might get some decent sleep. Love you guys!
At full stick, too..... I thought that was reserved for real estate listing photos, LOL. Steinway or Yamaha? JB strikes me as more of the Bosendorfer type. Exquisite but not pretentious. Me: Yam C7X.
Guys, great news! Alina has given a big interview to one Russian fs magazine. Really informative and she's said lots of smart things. Hope you can find it translated in the near future
Daniil and JoJo were both in the wrong in this situation. Daniil was in the wrong for copying the choreography, which was more than just the beginning. And Jojo was being unnecessarily childish. Also, I don’t understand why Daniil put blame on Alina? He called her his “muse” but mentioned that he showed Alina the video and she knew that it wasn’t his original choreography. That just directed more hate towards her. Anyways, though Medvedeva was childish for her drama, I guess she was right - their team is a “COPYCAT” or whatever that horrid song is. Also, both Daniil’s and Jojo’s choreography was awful. I hope Alina gets a better ex.
I'm not a fan of these recent exhibition skates, and I am terrified that Alena is using hers as an ACTUAL PROGRAM! She's probably the best Russian and maybe even the best period, artistically, and this short program is insulting. How can she truly reach her potential when her short program is trash? I mean I'm a fan of the bands, and the music, but its not skating music!
@Spirals & Sequins its the most junior program I have ever seen, being assigned to their most 'mature' skater, to debut her senior year. I think Eteri is doing it on purpose so stop her from besting Alina and the quad girls.
Antes de andar hablando tonterias al menos investiguen, se ve de lejos como prejuzgan sin al menos investigar un poco, en 1er lugar ¿por qué creen que kostornaia se cambió con Eteri? ¿por qué no siguió con su antigua entrenadora? ¿sabian que sus entrenadores le recomendaron mantener el SP de la temporada pasada? ¿sabian que Kostornaia dijo en entrevista que ella se aburria de hacer lo mismo, no le gusta repetir programas? ¿sabian que son los patinadores de Eteri son quienes eligen la mayoría de las veces la música que patinarán? ¿saben que porcentaje de aterrizajes en práctica realizan estas chicas antes de ponerlo en competencia? ¿saben al menos que actualmente Alina tecnicamente es superior a Alena, al menos hasta que Alena domine y ponga en competencia el 3A?
@@userbunny14 like sabotage. I really worry they don't value AK that much since she has no quads. Even the new juniors get them, but not her. It's a sad situation because AK is AMAZING as she is.
Подрыв Устоев yes, she's only 15. All of the fans have been talking about ТЩК during all this year, I mean "they are too young to have such a content" and now "it's such a junior program". Maybe they should select something one
We need a skater that can stay on top for longer time like Michelle, Yuna and Mao, I don’t like to see a skater who peaks on one event (all hope peak at Olympic) and disappears. Alysha’s axel does not seem easy, once her body changes, hopefully she will get through that.
I'm pretty shocked you guys are dismissing Daniil's complete rip off of Jojo Gomez's choreography so easily. Doing the Moonwalk or the YMCA dance or the Gangnam Style dance or even ALL of the choreography from Single Ladies isn't the same as what Daniil did. Those are dance moves/choreography done by the actual artist of the song and made popular by that artist. They are easily recognizable and people immediately associate the artist with it, so there's no question about who the credit goes to. Whenever someone does those moves it's imitation... This situation was a choreographer coming up with original choreography on her own, only to have another choreographer slap his name on it. Gomez is not associate with Billie Eilish. Her choreography for that song isn't easily recognizable by people as belonging to her. Most people looked at the beginning of Alina's program and assumed Daniil is the one who came up with that choreography. That's him tacitly accepting credit for someone else's work. Had he said from the beginning the program was inspired by Gomez's choreo, there wouldn't have been a problem--he'd be giving credit to the creator and it'd be clear he was imitating rather than trying to pass it off as his own work. Gomez was right to address it and fans were right to jump on him about it. It's plagiarism, plain and simple. And as Daniil barely has an original or unique choreographic thought in his head, it looks really bad that he stole from another choreographer and only gave her credit AFTER people called him out on it. NO ONE wants someone taking their idea or brain child and passing it off as their own. This had nothing to do with Alina and whatever fan wars are going on.
RayaRay we watched the side-by-side comparison. The entire thing was tasteless to begin with. Then you add in a lack of skating skills and we are too bored to care.
@@TheSkatingLesson Lol, I understand and agree completely. Still, you know skating fans LURRVE a scandal, and this was pretty scandalous in figure skating terms. As such, you guys probably should have just passed on covering it completely if you didn't want to really get into what happened. Everyone knows Daniil has modicum of talent and the only reason he's well-known is because the skaters he choreographs for manage to land jumps. And that's the only reason... But yeah, the off season is death. It will get worse before it gets better, lol.
Guys, admitting you didn't know Billie Eilish makes you look old, sorry. :D She is a superstar now. And you really should have find out that the choreo was not from official music video. Also, even if you don't like someone's work, pay some respect to the person that is highly appreciated in the community of choreographers. The way you insult any music or choreo from respected artists, just because you don't like it, doesn't look professional at all. It's different to say it's not your cup of coffee and it's something else to make fun of it in the worst way...
You guys are obviously misinformed on the Billie Eilish situation about a pretty important detail in that Jojo’s video wasn’t official choreography. That being said, I agree the reaction was a little venomous especially toward Alina but I do think what Daniil did was wrong. Even the smallest nod would have sufficed but he (admittedly) took someone else’s idea and felt comfortable passing it off as his own, which may not be illegal but is kind of icky...
Can't we get Frank back full time to nurture Alysa properly, full time? He's proved he can do it & keep a skater healthy. I worry Karen has no experienced oversight as well. I was at that Glacier Falls before the Olympics, where she looked FANTASTIC. But then went to that competition the next week (which she be shouldn't have done) where she hurt herself & she's never gotten back to that level since.
@@evanperilstein5308 Artur is very talented but not as consistent which has been the tale of so many russian men at this point: Kolyada, Aliev,... I'm more confident in Petr Gumennik.
It would be nice to see him growing, regardless of his future Olympic plans. Wish him all the best luck in sports, but health is far more important in the long run than any medals.
Simtopia 23 well, Daniil does all quadruple jumps and combination lutz+loop. Isn't it enough? The Older he becomes the more quads we see in his programs
i won't call it "actually". she's a tatar. tatars are very similar to russians. most of them are considering themselves muslims, but it's more a cultural thing, just like russians, they are not really religious, in soviet times many of russians and tatars became atheists. so people are calling themselfs muslims or christians, to please their grandparents, while being atheists. and even if they are not atheists, they just believing in some abstract "higher power" and don't care about an actual religion. i'm 100% sure that zagitova had never read a quran. an actual muslims in russia are living in the north caucasus (chechens, avars etc.). those people are really religious.
You guys wrong. When someone uses recognizable image based on MJ moves, Britney videoclip or famous ballet it’s okay. Because all of this was inspired by. It’s not okay if Danny G presented as his own creative, author’s choreography. normally inspired by someone else, it is not normal to give someone else for yours. I know my English is awful, sorry for this.
thanks for speaking on the whole Billie Eilish / Jojo drama! I think what pissed me off the most was how Jojo went after Alina and liked comments blaming her for the situation. So petty and unnecessary
maryelle19 she went over to Alina’s insta and commented on her pics asking her to dm, and she also liked comments which said that Alina was responsible / involved w/ stealing the choreo
My Wattpad Writes i saw on a figure skating account that Alina knew that the choreo was jojo’s (she saw it on yt or sm) so im guessing they told her and well she went on to blame alina too
Also i dont know for jojo a 17 year old its almost an adult (usa) that makes her own decision ...its something cultural because i remember that 10 YEARS OLD GIRLS FROM DANCE MOMS KNEW THAT TO STEAL CHOREO WAS WRONG 😱😱😱and they were like ..10 ?? But wherever
I'd like to learn more about copyright in skating tho. There was a whole thing with Kevin Reynolds not being allowed to use Joe Hisaishi's music without permission which was confusing.
I don't know about copyright use either. I do know that Yuzuru sent the person who put his "SEIMEI" music together to Joe Hisaishi's corporation to ask personally if Yuzu could use "View of Silence" & "Asian Dream Song" for his "Hope & Legacy" program. Joe had to be asked and after some discussion about how the music would be put together, he gave approval for 1x only.
@Barbara Kay Did you delete your comment? Anyway I saw part of it in my notifications. I think it was H&L that Hanyu had to contact Joe Hisaishi personally to see if he was ok with the edits, but Hanyu is special tho. I’d like to know how and who normally handle music copyright for other skaters cuz I doubt most skaters have time to learn all these laws, and I don’t think Kevin speaks Japanese or knew how to contact Joe Hisaishi to begin with.
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Hi, I think all of my post is available now. Sometimes I can take awhile to complete them. YES i AGREE With You about skater's not knowing the technicalities involved. Just for your benefit I would like to add that Keven speaks almost fluent Japanese but that doesn't change the circumstances about gaining access to music.
LOL at the part where Dave says: WHO GIVES A SHIT to people stirring about skaters trying to skate to the same music & at the end of the Video: You're copying me with his epic cute face at 1:10:27 Honestly there are many skaters skating to the same music every season, even at a single competition there can be 3 skaters skating to the same music so Medvedeva's reaction calling them copycat was uncalled for. Moreover, she didn't announced she was skating to " Bad Guy" either.
@@TheSkatingLesson Evgenia reacted on Instagram after Daniil announced Alina's new EX music. Two or three weeks before that she gave an interview in a Russian TV show (and I guess it's somewhat famous in Russia; they drive people around in a car and ask them questions while sometimes singing - the format sounds familiar, I know 😂) and she said that her favorite song was "Bad guy" from Billie Eilish. Reacting on Instagram she said something like "when your EX music idea gets stolen" and posted another song from Billie "copycat" 🤣🤣. I thought the whole thing was hilarious!
I had never heard of Billie Eilish until Evgenia made a few posts liking her music on Instagram. It’s not really my taste at all, but perhaps I’m too old to appreciate her music.
Can you turn your volume up next time Dave? It was better for awhile, but your always super low compared to Jonathan's voice, especially when you do your asides! Lol. Thanks! 😉
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one that doesn’t watch most exhibitions. I did not get Matteo Rizzo’s ghostbusters ordeal. I also have no idea who Billy Eilish (sp?) is, to tell you the truth.
Billie eilish is a really popular artist fight now. Personally I really like her music and think you should check it out but if it's not ur thing that's cool too lol
Laughing at your reaction to Matteo’s program. I showed it to my boyfriend before viewing it in its entirety. He’s a huge 1980’s Ghostbusters fan and he thought it was just stupid!
I am 100% +5 in agreement with you about Vince and Gracie. It's icky. I'm rooting for Karen, I want her to do well. I'm glad she looks in great shape right now and hope she can find the balance she needs to strike at Cornell. I think she's the kind of athlete who overtrains when she has too much time on her hands and it might serve her well to learn lessons in time management and less on-ice time. But I'm not an elite skater or a coach and I don't know how she works, so I don't want to speculate. But if she's like many Cornelians I work with, she may just surprise us. I hope to run into her on the quad and give her some pep talks!
Both the adults, daniil and jojo were wrong in this case. One because both of them try to include the blame on the teenager in this feud when she probably didnt know what she was doing was wrong. Did she even has a voice to refute daniil choreography or music choice in the first place ??? No ! So how come both of them have the nerve to put the blame on her as well. Sure someone need to tell her that copying part of the choreography without giving the credit to the original was wrong but should they do it online with so many haters already on the bay to swallow her up ??
@@maryelle1927 Don't compare, with Alina is a different situation, I feel she only trusts and obeys her coaches and feels everything is all right with them, she probably didn't imagine that this could be a serious thing... Daniil on the other hand should be more careful !!!
1:10:12 - Lol. I would actually be entertained by someone skating to that. I also could've sworn Kaori Sakamoto skated to the Sister Act soundtrack as an Exhibition fairly recently... Close enough?
I kind of know what Gracie feels, I think. Back when I was in college, I was always in a musical. I played Elphaba before and it was good, but when I started working, I wan't able to join musicals again and then I stopped singing. I can sing when I'm with my friends or people I know and it would be awesome, but when we had a reunion in our theater org and we were invited to sing in a crowd and I saw how great my org mates are, every ounce of self confidence I had just melted down, I was was watched by a lot of people I don't know and it scared me, and I think that's what Gracie feel right now, she's good when it's just her and a few other people, but put her in a competition where she knows every jump counts and she's watched by so many people just waiting to criticize her and it scares her. She needs to believe in herself more and it sound easy, really, but it's hard. It's a step-by-step process. It may take long but I hope she feels better soon, :)
I think the assessment of Alysa is all wrong. I saw her at broadmoor last year, and this year. She has grown about 4-5 inches in that year, put on leg muscle, and added 2 quad lutzes. I think she’s going to be just fine. In person she looks strong and healthy and happy, which is much more than anyone can say for the Russian girls like valieva, who need I remind you hasn’t actually competed with a 3A or a quad yet while Alysa has for over a year. She has more work to do on her edge quality and posture but I definitely saw a huge difference. I’m here to promise you all Alysa is going to be just fine. No need to be skeptics or haters in her direction.
Oh, Dave... You’ve made great contributions through your shows re: skating, but your comment about Brown U. makes me a bit sad-as more women, LGBTQ and people of color choose to attend Brown over other Ivies...which has unfortunately been cited as the reason for the perception you note. Plenty of people choose Brown over other Ivies, let alone Stanford. Emma Watson, who got into all of the Ivies to which she applied-incl. Harvard and Princeton, chose to attend Brown, for instance, citing its strong advocacy for social justice. Lots of young people watch this show, so I do hope these stereotypic views won’t be planted into their heads...
I think teachers are into the Vera Bradley bags. They sell them at the Hallmark and stationary stores. Plus you can get more stuff now like scarves, tumblers and beach towels.
That box of wine won’t delegate itself. She skates like a goddess On loan from heaven Her emotions on “open” Like 7-11 A hop, a skip She runs down the ice Michelle on Mt Rushmore Would be 4th of July nice
With Gracie something to consider is that with the amount of weight she gained that she will have loose skin that will make her look heavier than she actually might be. Especially in the midsection. I say this from sad experience and it never went away with diet and exercise until I had it snipped off. So looking in shape and being in shape are two different things. And this might end up being a sad reality.
I do think she would get too much hate by posting it on her own page. Vincent's page is more of a safe zone because he can read and delete anything that is truly bad. It makes sense.
This is a random question, but can someone explain what the actual rhythm/pattern is for the RD? Broadway could mean anything. Which makes it so fun to think of songs different ice dancers should skate to, but I can't imagine that all of the pantheon of Broadway and opera could work for the assigned pattern.
I wonder why Jonathan doesn't look as though he's in more actual physical pain when Dave breaks into Dream Girls repertoire. There's probably a special numbing shot he gets in preparation beforehand.
48:48 I thought Dave said that Eunsoo is going back to train in Korea. Does Dave want to indicate that he made a false statement? Or was it not his fault?
@@TheSkatingLesson What I was meaning to say is that it seemed like you said that Eunsoo will train under her former Korean coach/es again in an older this and that. Now you ask by whom she is coached, even though you once said she's back in Korea. This made me question wether you kind of wanted to take your old statement back or something like that. English is not my first language so I hope there are no misunderstandings because of that.
Can a kind soul please explain how Broadmoor works and how there are separate categories/competitions? I'm also curious as to who won each of the competitions.
Adele Peng for senior, you can register for the short program (sp) only event or for the combined event. Karen Chen won the sp only event. The combined event had two qualifying groups where the skaters did their long programs for the qualifying round and then did their short and long programs for the final round. Alysa Liu and Hanna Harrell won each of their qualifying groups, but in the final round Alysa won (although Young You was leading after the final round short program).
Bad Guy Billie Eilish song chreograph by Jojo Gomez. The skating fans was saw this stunning similarities to that routine you know daniil reputation. You can see the link thru your message in TSL ig.
It was wrong, Danil didn’t ask permission to use Jojo’s step sequence. But, honestly...make a big fuss in private! At least, she is being known because of them🧐
TB she basically gave her credit in the description box where it says who’s song it is, the name of the song, etc. and anyways all artists including figure skaters, dancers, choreographers use songs like that so..,.
Jason Brown is a clown, and that's his problem. He's always joking and smiling and being so damn chest. Compare him to Josh Farris. Josh is a serious guy. It seems like Jason is just wanting to be the good guy and be friends with everyone, but to be a champion, you MUST make enemies. This is competition. This is war.
I think it's interesting that you guys would consider Alysa's quads to be less consistent "tricks" than Trusova's, even though she seems to be landing her jumps more consistently in competition (comparing her triple axel last season, I think she was more consistently landing it than even Rika?). Although I agree that they appear more inconsistent, I wonder if it's because of the size of the jump and prerotation as opposed to the actual "success rate" of landing the jump.
Ok, I might have to stop watching TSL after you've said that Jason creates some of the most beautiful pictures and positions! 😱 His lines are very ugly, so many unaestethic angles, and not only in his legs, but most importantly his arms and hands are horrible! (One of several reasons why I don't enjoy his performances) But I agree with the second part, because I also often don't see the connection to the piece or the intent of those poses and choreographic details that he does, so I might give you a pass... ;D. With him there's always so many exaggerate hand gestures, that are so overdone on top of it, or that split jump, which is the worst... gives me a circus horse vibe, and pretty much never fits the music, except for his Cotton-Eyed Joe Exhibition maybe.
Time Stamps
1:03 Meryl Davis wedding
3:15 Gracie Gold (social media clips, motivation, Vincent)
13:00 Karen Chen, USFS is not supportive, Sean Rabbitt (what top 6 U.S. man is a leftie?)
22:20 Jonathan is a reality TV star (Worst Cooks in America) (Dave was also contacted)
26:45 Commission on Patreon!
28:00 Bad Guy-Bille Eilish-Zagita-Danny G choreography controversy (Russian exhibitions in general, skating twitter)
38:20 Polina Tsurskaya interview (coaching based in shame - generational?)
42:10 Colorado Broadmoor open (Rika’s quad sal, Vincent going to Brown, Tom Z leaving, Young You)
48:45 Eunsoo
50:00 Alysa Liu
57:00 Olympic team event
59:41 Trusova interview
1:03:00 Hanna Harrell
1:04:48 Jason and Camden at Peggy Fleming Trophy (mention of Josh Farris)
Natalie Wiens I wasn’t contacted first. I think we were both contacted and I forwarded it to Jonathan.
TheSkatingLesson oops sorry, I was rushing trying to get this up before going out haha so the quality of these time stamps is definitely more dubious than usual
Natalie Wiens thank you for your Christian service. We really appreciate it.
What social media was Gracie jumping?
@@mikelara2151 instagram
Daniil didn’t use choreo from the music video, he used an independent choreographer’s work without even asking for permission. That’s extremely disrespectful and unprofessional. You may not like the music or the choreography (I don’t like it either) but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was pretty serious.
exactly... and I don’t think it would’ve been that hard for Daniil to reach out and ask for permission to use it; she most likely would’ve said yes and this whole “plagiarism” scandal wouldn’t be as big as it is/was. It’s like saying that Medvedeva can use Alina’s “survivor” exhibition without getting any hate for it.
@@ericawashington310 ,no it's about two different things-one thing is dancing on ice (in ice-arena),but other thing is dancing in the hall (on the floor,i mean).Liza used almost 100% choreo from Britney's "Toxic" (from scene- stewardess with the glasses to pretending herself into provocative showgirl);but nobody calls Liza "plagiarist",because she was dancing on ice,in ice-arena(although Liza named herself as choreographist of her ex program),Danil used just two sequences from JoJo (it's about 20 seconds of his choreo) and somebody used it to make drama.
Nenena sveks yes, Liza used almost all Britney’s chores but she’s not as well known as Alina is. I’m not saying that she’s (Liza)right for stealing the chores but the thing is that no mentioned it. The same rules apply to every skater and dancer but some people decide to pick and choose who they want the hate to go towards and that’s one of the problems I have with figure skating. Plagiarism isn’t right in ANY scenario no matter how well known the person is or what sport or hobbie they do.
@@ericawashington310 ,agree with you about plagiarism;but Liza is also well known as Alina is.Liza was GPF gold,European & Worlds gold during 2014/15, season.
Nenena sveks okay but Alina has more fans than Liza... and she won the Olympics and is world standing number one. Liza missed a good chunk of last season due to her being sick (I’m glad she’s better). All I’m saying is that, Alina has more recognition in the world but mostly in Russia and Japan then Liza.
You prolly didn't research much about the Bad Guy choreo plagiarism thing that happened. Jojo Gomez was an independent choreographer who did a whole choreography for a song on youtube, she's not that famous. So for Daniil to use exactly the choreography that she did on her own and take credit for it without even saying BEFORE that he got inspired by the dance video IS plagiarism. The choreography was shown in shows in Japan and televised with people thinking that was his own choreography because you know, unlike Gangnam Style or Backstreet Boys, this wasn't a dance made by a famous artist.
Re: Jojo, I don't agree that the situation is the same as doing the moonwalk or the YMCA those are famous moves from iconic songs. This is a relatively new song and the choreographer ( isn't the artist ) even with that many followers isn't exactly famous or a household name. She had every right to try to get some publicity because it wasn't just the moves he really just lifted the concept altogether. Publicity is currency in this modern world, why shouldn't she eat? He didn't credit her until she made the post and in 2019 I'm never going to fault a woman standing up for herself saying "hey that's my idea/work"... the fuss she made is the only reason she got the credit. Also, you don't have to like jojo work to respect her those ending comments were ugly and ironic as hell considering what people say about this show.
i dont agree with your thoughts about the jojo gomez thing. even if you dont like her choreography, shes not in the same situation as the examples you mentioned. daniil already admitted he copied her choreography, yet you still defend him and mock her for even making a stance. the thirst is real aint it
My boyfriend just left to buy some pastries, it's winter, I'm drinking some hot chocolate and a new TSL episode. Life is amazing right now.
Winter ???
@@maryelle1927 I live in Santiago, Chile. It is the capital of Chile, and it's a large 7 million people city, located in a valley inbetween the andes mountain range.
Santigo de chile me muero por ir .Me enganche a sus realities de mega y tambien a veces veo intrusos y al rojo vivo.Los chilenos son personas maravillosas.Vives en un pais precioso😍😍
@@maryelle1927 ohh que bacan!! de donde eres? yo vivo justamente en el centro de santiago. que bueno que te gusten los chilenos y chile
I have to say I normally enjoy your snarkiness but the comments towards JoJo's choreography were quite cruel. While I personally am not a fan of her choreography there is a thin line between actual criticism and cruelty. Also what Danny G did is plagiarism (though I agree Alina is not to blame for this situation).
there is no plagiarism in dancing world-what about Liza and her "Toxic" interpretation? She used many movements and sceenes from Britney 's video (choreo) of "Toxic"-like sceene with the glasses,welter on the floor (in Liza's case-ice).movements during her dance,..etc,but nobody calls Liza "plagiarist",although Liza named herself as a choreographer of "Toxic".Yes,Danil took just one or two parts from JoJo's choreo ;it's about 25 seconds of Alina's ex program (and the worst-my opinion).Don't take me wrong,i respect Liza and enjoy watching her on ice;but the main point is- attack on Danil
I will say about the zagitova drama, though it may not legally break “copyright law” because I’m not sure she ever copyrighted those moves, but it’s a different situation than doing a Michael Jackson move or a Gangnam style thing. When you do those moves, everyone knows that it’s a tribute to those artists. Everyone recognizes where it comes from. The moves that zagitova did were not in the Billie eilish music video, they were the choreographer’s dance moves. It would have been a different situation if the moves had come from the music video and people recognized that it was a tribute to eilish but that’s not the case. It was more than shirt biting that zagitova did. The first 20 seconds and several other parts of the were also take from the video. Jojo specifically stated that she did not blame zagitova but daniil because he should have known better. I think the reason why jojo got so worked up was because she isn’t a highly known choreographer and she would have liked the opportunity to choreograph and go to Japan instead of having someone else use her moves. Yes it was a bit immature on her part but I don’t think her feelings are as “ridiculous” as you guys have made them to be. She’s definitely in her right to feel mad imo
@Mila Roberts - I absolutely agree with you. Also, Daniil gave an interview praising his choreography and then he turns around and copies choreography....
Whatever, I don't think Jojo can sue anyone with what she has, Daniil apologized and invited her to Russia, i think the drama is a bit unnecessary.
I wonder if Jo Jo had permission from Billie to chorrograph to her copyrighted music. Anyway, can't Danii give her half credit on Wikipedia or something, to sush this up?
@Lg lg I wouldn't call jojo gomez unknown... her choreo for that song has 1.8M views, she has 1.3M subscribers, and some of her videos have over 6M views.... She's definitely way more known that Daniil. I'm a huge skating face and a huge dance fan and I recognized that choreography instantely (not that every dance fan would since obv not EVERYONE knows jojo, but I happen to and that's straight up copying, not an homage, not anything else)
@Lg lg same type of movements and same exact movements isn't the same thing
Kamila Valieva is miles ahead of Alysa, and I expect the JGP to go in her favor. Kamila has beautiful spins, great extension, and skates so much faster than Alysa. I may not like Eteri, but she knows how to package her juniors better than whatever the Americans are doing. Alysa is so slow and her jumps are so scary. I trust Kamila’s quad toe more than Alysa’s sketchy quad lutz.
Alysa is a great great talent and i expect medals from her this season, but not only is slow and the rotation on her jumps is a bit cheated but i noticed the landing is also a bit like Radionova's jumps always with that free leg close to touch the ice which may become a big problem going forward. While Kamila Valieva looks already perfection: speed, skating skills, spins, transitions is all there, the only thing is that we haven't seen her quad toe in competition yet so we don't know how consistent that element is.
Kamila has been with Eteri only one season ..one ..her coaches did a pretty good job with her and at one point she was even coached by kudriatsev, wife and him ...a legend even hamada said that she will like to be like him.
@@maryelle1927 what a load of crap. i'm hearing how eteri haters repeating this bs over and over again. whenever it's skater that they don't like, then "bad technique" and other stuff are always an eteri's fault. they don't care if a skater just spent with eteri 2 months. everything bad that she's doing was teached by eteri. and if they are talking about the girl that they like, it's the other way around. all the good stuff is coming from some unknown genius. even 5 years with eteri is not enough to learn something.
have you ever followed kamila career, prior to eteri? of course you don't. but i've actually followed her. so i can say with all honesty that you have not the slightest idea on the matter. kamila always was great artistically. but as a skater, before eteri she was hopeless. if someone told me 2 years ago that kamila will become number 1 in the russian junior team, and will be jumping quads, i would thought that the person is nuts. the girl was taking 15-17 places at local moscow competitions of her age.
and i don't know what hamada have told you, but dudakov is an actual kudryavtsev student. he's in very close relationship with kudryavtsev and teaching the jumps the same way as viktor nikolaevich. kamila has nothing to do with kudryavtsev. she was coached by kudryavtsev wife at the age of 8 and that's the end of their relationship. for the most of her time in the "moscovite" club she was coached by natalya dubinskaya.
Kamila is damn amazing. She could compete with senior girls while Alysa stills looks like a novice throwing out jumps she can barely do. That might work in the US to win, but it won't work everywhere else.
LaB it’s eteri.......which means her skaters can have none of the technique and all of the goe. i feel for valieva’s longevity tho
Jojo is a choreographer, Daniil is a choreographer. They both have the same job. Daniil was completely in the wrong here - I’m so over y’all not properly researching what you talk about. It’s not a famous choreography - it’s a single woman choreographing her own material to dance to. Alina is innocent but Daniil was completely in the wrong.
This has opened my eyes on how dangerous it is to discuss things based on assumptions.
I think its impossible not to be outraged about what Daniil did if you know all the facts. Your comments are ill informed and very cruel for no reason at all. I am very dissaponted in you and thats coming from a big fan of yours.
It's baffling to me how Alysa's team wants to rush everything with her. She's only 13, and she needs to improve a lot in everything she does, two 4Lzs and 3As is completely unnecessary at that age, especially with that very bad technique she has. None of the those were clean at Broadmoor either. Don't forget that she already had a hip operation too.
She could do less but work on quality, instead of quantity. At the rate she's going...I wonder if she makes it to Beijing.
Unfortunately skating is now in the culture of bigger jumps as soon as possible. Alysa could stick to 3-3 combos but she'll never win--the rest of her skating isn't that remarkable...she'll need the 3A and possibly a quad to compete. The past few years have taught us that PCS are a complete and total joke and that the only way to get noticed if you're not Russian is to throw out a big trick. Land the big tricks and the PCS will magically rise. I hate that Alysa is rushing all of the big elements but she will likely be the ONLY American in contention for a medal this season on the junior level. Without the bigger tricks she wouldn't stand a chance.
@@herm712 I don't say she should only do 3-3 combo and that's it. But two triple Axels and quad Lutzes are WAY too much and unnecessary. One would be more than enough - she could be more consistent with a safer layout, and we know that with consistency and the US flag next to her name would do wonders with her PCS anyway, independent from the actual quality of her skating, choreo, IN/PE, or the amount of transitions.
With this complete recklesness I wonder if her technique survive until she turns senior.
@@herm712 she's still a junior, clean triple axels can get her a medal anywhere, what she needs to do is improve everything else, not just funny quads
I do think that if she wants to keep on medalling at seniors those quads are necessary, but tbh she's losing so many points bc of the quality of her jumps right now so she has more important things to work on
59:40 Trusova needs a haircut...but... what if she’s like Samson and her power is in her hair. 😂
TitaniumLiquids I personally don’t think she should. I think she should do a Tangled routine with extra PCS for skating with hair flying in her face.
Not a fan of the hair, and with her tiny features, it overwhelms her face.
I don't think hair that long ever looked good on anyone.
@nightwishnemo I don't 🙋🏼♀️
@@coletterobichaud3465 not me either, it's a pain lol
Im starting to notice you guys love to comment on something you are not completely aware of. Daniil copied a choreography of an indenpendent choreographer. Not the choreography in the music video of Billy Eilish. Its not the same as gangnam style that had an official choreography in the music video. Daniil claimed the piece to be choreographed by him and did not credit Jojo. If your a chereographer you should be aware of the ethics in the industry.
I guess you guys love to defend people who are publicly bullied or scrutinized. You can do that but dont discredit other people in doing so. Jojo was right to defend her claim in her masterpiece. Daniil was wrong to claim it to be his. Plagiarism it is.
If your not fully aware of an issue just dont comment on it or do your research more.
I have never seen "Bad Guy", so I don't know what the video is. However, Dave and Jonathan, even I know that stealing someone else's work and passing it off as your own is PLAGIARISM. Daniil G. was pretty stupid to do what he did - he's a choreographer himself, and more, he's an adult. He put Alina Zagitova in a terrible position with his reckless, disrespectful, and irresponsible actions. Even if it isn't copyrighted, it's still important to give someone credit for the work they do. Jojo is in the right to accuse Daniil on his actions. If anyone's reputation should be questioned and damaged, it should be his, and not Zagitova's.
Spinel your right. Alina’s not to blame here. She just said that she liked the song and wanted to skate to it. That’s it.
Does anyone pay attention to 10% rule mentioned by TSL? There were less than 10% moved in the performance, so no plagiarism. Daniil appologized to JoJo because he is a gentlemen and wanted to do things right, but come on, JoJo got more popular after this drama! So, she did not loose anything, she gained popularity among figure skaters.
@@olgab4767 The fact of the matter is, and why many others are upset by this, Daniil did NOT credit the actual choreographer. He did NOT ask for permission from said choreographer AT ALL. This could have been avoided very easily if he had simply ASKED to use a small segment of the choreography from Jojo, but he didn't. As a choreographer, artist or writer, being a creative force in your own right is terribly important.What Daniil G. did shows that he has no integrity, and equally worse, has no actual creative expression of his own. It shows that he was lazy, couldn't be bothered to do his own work (he's a fucking choreographer!), and sloppy. The consequences of his actions can lead to others doubting his abilities, as well as Alina Zagitova, and anyone else he choreographs for. This is why plagiarism is a serious issue, and not one to joke about in the slightest. Being more popular isn't so much the issue here as the blatant DISRESPECT and INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY served to Jojo Gomez. It seems like you're trying to downplay Daniil's actions. This kind of reasoning doesn't make for good justification. Jojo more popular from it? This is hardly the kind of thing anyone would appreciate. Look down at Evan Perilstein's link on plagiarism, or do some research for yourself.
@@ericawashington310 Zagitova is a teenager who trusts her coaches and choreographer. It's not her fault her choreographer screwed her over. This is not the way to treat your country's Olympic champion. Dave and Jonathan need to get someone who knows copyright law to speak about this instead of trying to justify what they think they know.
Spinel I never blamed her for her choreographers mess.
The problem was the video daniil took choreography from wasn’t Billie Eilish’s video, it was a separate choreographer who choreographed a dance to her song
@Lg lg its just that they keep saying music video, which is bringing billie into it. it has nothing to do how morally wrong it is, which it is. they are just correcting TSL
Why is anyone listening to this song?!??
TheSkatingLesson the tension and the release
@@TheSkatingLesson that's generation z for you
@@TheSkatingLesson We like it? Lol.
i am very very disappointed that you guys talked on the topic without making slightest effort to research
you are definitely competent when it comes to skating, but obviously not when it comes to urban/hiphop/street dance scene
jojo is one of the biggest choreographers out there, and people constantly stealing choreo is a HUGE problem, not only for her, but for a other choreographers
she will not get any money from her TH-cam videos, all of it goes to billie managment, so the only valuable thing is choreo itself
sadly, it cannot be protected under copyright law(which is not ok for me) and it all would've been fine if he credited her from the beginning , as not doing so is very disrespectful (imagine some skating choreographer copying Daniils choreo for someone, what fuss it would've been)
people are not idiotic
jojo had every right to protect her work and call him out.
and you only look ignorant talking like that.
hopefully you will look into the issue more to get what's wrong!
p.s.: I'm very sorry for horrible grammar that may be present and my mediocre English skills!
Nadya Vasileva
Really??!! “Biggest choreographers out there”... 🤨 I doubt it!!! ‘Cause, I’m from America, and I just heard about her since this media frenzy. At the end, she is being “famous” now, because of the 2 sec “stole choreo”
@@jesuisleslie8509 I talk not about dance scene, not general public. let's be honest most choreographers are not known generally and they could be LEGENDS for dancers.
Nadya Vasileva
I’ll not get into this feud! All I’m gonna say is this is just media frenzy. ✌🏻
Well I'm glad Jojo found out. What if he claimed that he created all of it.. This is not like mj or YMCA.
anais950 if he claimed that he created those moves, she probably could’ve sued especially if she had all rights reserved.
Not going to lie. I just binged watched the last 3-4 videos (excluding the new programs) today and I was just ending the interview with Gabriella and Guillaume when this showed up. I thought I was finally going to be caught up, but at least now I have something to watch tonight. That and it wasn't posted at 12am, so I might get some decent sleep. Love you guys!
it wasnt from a music video, it was a fan of billies who did a dance video on it
Love the grand piano in the background
Ben Bailey 💯
At full stick, too..... I thought that was reserved for real estate listing photos, LOL. Steinway or Yamaha? JB strikes me as more of the Bosendorfer type. Exquisite but not pretentious. Me: Yam C7X.
I am heartened to see Gracie's progress, but I agree I would feel more positive about it if she was posting it herself.
Her jumping ability is undeniable and she knows what good transitions are. Let's see if she can pull it all together.
Thanks for watching. I think all want Gracie to do well. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
Guys, great news! Alina has given a big interview to one Russian fs magazine. Really informative and she's said lots of smart things. Hope you can find it translated in the near future
These two queens hate Alina. Don't you know?
T I've written it for fans not for these two
hey. Did somebody translated it? I would love to read.
Justyna Żółkiewska can you give me your instagram? I'll translate if I have some time. I'm not kidding and can do it just for you, haha
@zolkiewska_official большое спасибо 😊
Daniil and JoJo were both in the wrong in this situation. Daniil was in the wrong for copying the choreography, which was more than just the beginning. And Jojo was being unnecessarily childish. Also, I don’t understand why Daniil put blame on Alina? He called her his “muse” but mentioned that he showed Alina the video and she knew that it wasn’t his original choreography. That just directed more hate towards her. Anyways, though Medvedeva was childish for her drama, I guess she was right - their team is a “COPYCAT” or whatever that horrid song is.
Also, both Daniil’s and Jojo’s choreography was awful. I hope Alina gets a better ex.
I might be the only person here who likes the song and knew who Billie Eilish is, but I agree both choreographies to the song are pretty awful.
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 I like the song too. Have you seen the Owl Kitty parody?
@@tb4522 just watched it. 😂
Jojo didn't do anything wrong. She only called Daniil not Alina out for stealing her moves. As a choreographer he should've known better.
Jojo did nothing wrong
I'm not a fan of these recent exhibition skates, and I am terrified that Alena is using hers as an ACTUAL PROGRAM! She's probably the best Russian and maybe even the best period, artistically, and this short program is insulting. How can she truly reach her potential when her short program is trash? I mean I'm a fan of the bands, and the music, but its not skating music!
@Spirals & Sequins its the most junior program I have ever seen, being assigned to their most 'mature' skater, to debut her senior year. I think Eteri is doing it on purpose so stop her from besting Alina and the quad girls.
@@userbunny14 Maybe she is not as matured as a skater as her fans want her to be.
Antes de andar hablando tonterias al menos investiguen, se ve de lejos como prejuzgan sin al menos investigar un poco, en 1er lugar ¿por qué creen que kostornaia se cambió con Eteri? ¿por qué no siguió con su antigua entrenadora? ¿sabian que sus entrenadores le recomendaron mantener el SP de la temporada pasada? ¿sabian que Kostornaia dijo en entrevista que ella se aburria de hacer lo mismo, no le gusta repetir programas? ¿sabian que son los patinadores de Eteri son quienes eligen la mayoría de las veces la música que patinarán? ¿saben que porcentaje de aterrizajes en práctica realizan estas chicas antes de ponerlo en competencia? ¿saben al menos que actualmente Alina tecnicamente es superior a Alena, al menos hasta que Alena domine y ponga en competencia el 3A?
@@userbunny14 like sabotage. I really worry they don't value AK that much since she has no quads. Even the new juniors get them, but not her. It's a sad situation because AK is AMAZING as she is.
Подрыв Устоев yes, she's only 15. All of the fans have been talking about ТЩК during all this year, I mean "they are too young to have such a content" and now "it's such a junior program". Maybe they should select something one
You're spoiling us.
goldburnm
We need a skater that can stay on top for longer time like Michelle, Yuna and Mao, I don’t like to see a skater who peaks on one event (all hope peak at Olympic) and disappears. Alysha’s axel does not seem easy, once her body changes, hopefully she will get through that.
Michelle- chinese mao japanese kim Korea. where USA skaters?
@@АбылсеиытМамадалиев Michelle is a Chinese American, born and live in USA.She is an American. Let us respect that.
@@xiangnibian8473 where european skaters USA GolD Wagner ?
I'm pretty shocked you guys are dismissing Daniil's complete rip off of Jojo Gomez's choreography so easily. Doing the Moonwalk or the YMCA dance or the Gangnam Style dance or even ALL of the choreography from Single Ladies isn't the same as what Daniil did. Those are dance moves/choreography done by the actual artist of the song and made popular by that artist. They are easily recognizable and people immediately associate the artist with it, so there's no question about who the credit goes to. Whenever someone does those moves it's imitation...
This situation was a choreographer coming up with original choreography on her own, only to have another choreographer slap his name on it. Gomez is not associate with Billie Eilish. Her choreography for that song isn't easily recognizable by people as belonging to her. Most people looked at the beginning of Alina's program and assumed Daniil is the one who came up with that choreography. That's him tacitly accepting credit for someone else's work. Had he said from the beginning the program was inspired by Gomez's choreo, there wouldn't have been a problem--he'd be giving credit to the creator and it'd be clear he was imitating rather than trying to pass it off as his own work.
Gomez was right to address it and fans were right to jump on him about it. It's plagiarism, plain and simple. And as Daniil barely has an original or unique choreographic thought in his head, it looks really bad that he stole from another choreographer and only gave her credit AFTER people called him out on it. NO ONE wants someone taking their idea or brain child and passing it off as their own. This had nothing to do with Alina and whatever fan wars are going on.
RayaRay we watched the side-by-side comparison. The entire thing was tasteless to begin with. Then you add in a lack of skating skills and we are too bored to care.
RayaRay the off season needs to end.
@@TheSkatingLesson Lol, I understand and agree completely. Still, you know skating fans LURRVE a scandal, and this was pretty scandalous in figure skating terms. As such, you guys probably should have just passed on covering it completely if you didn't want to really get into what happened. Everyone knows Daniil has modicum of talent and the only reason he's well-known is because the skaters he choreographs for manage to land jumps. And that's the only reason...
But yeah, the off season is death. It will get worse before it gets better, lol.
Guys, admitting you didn't know Billie Eilish makes you look old, sorry. :D She is a superstar now. And you really should have find out that the choreo was not from official music video. Also, even if you don't like someone's work, pay some respect to the person that is highly appreciated in the community of choreographers. The way you insult any music or choreo from respected artists, just because you don't like it, doesn't look professional at all. It's different to say it's not your cup of coffee and it's something else to make fun of it in the worst way...
You guys are obviously misinformed on the Billie Eilish situation about a pretty important detail in that Jojo’s video wasn’t official choreography. That being said, I agree the reaction was a little venomous especially toward Alina but I do think what Daniil did was wrong. Even the smallest nod would have sufficed but he (admittedly) took someone else’s idea and felt comfortable passing it off as his own, which may not be illegal but is kind of icky...
Can't we get Frank back full time to nurture Alysa properly, full time? He's proved he can do it & keep a skater healthy. I worry Karen has no experienced oversight as well. I was at that Glacier Falls before the Olympics, where she looked FANTASTIC. But then went to that competition the next week (which she be shouldn't have done) where she hurt herself & she's never gotten back to that level since.
@@lawsonung Yes he did. He just didn't know what to do with her mentally.
Danny G needed to apologize since he took the choreo but most people agree that it's not alinas fault and nobody should attack her
57:00 Daniil Samsonov might well be the consistent russian boy who will go to the Olympics.
He will his technique is amazing
@@evanperilstein5308 Artur is very talented but not as consistent which has been the tale of so many russian men at this point: Kolyada, Aliev,... I'm more confident in Petr Gumennik.
It would be nice to see him growing, regardless of his future Olympic plans. Wish him all the best luck in sports, but health is far more important in the long run than any medals.
Simtopia 23 well, Daniil does all quadruple jumps and combination lutz+loop. Isn't it enough? The Older he becomes the more quads we see in his programs
Did you guys know Zagitova is actually Muslim? I'm surprised I only just found this out yesterday! It's not even on her Wikipedia page!
Interesting, where did you get this information from??
@@BlueNight349 here's the link: th-cam.com/video/k3Rh0OJhH6M/w-d-xo.html
Yes she is a tatar muslim and her mother is name lysan a common name in the muslim religion
@@maryelle1927 Really? Why hide it? It would encourage Muslim skaters!
i won't call it "actually". she's a tatar. tatars are very similar to russians. most of them are considering themselves muslims, but it's more a cultural thing, just like russians, they are not really religious, in soviet times many of russians and tatars became atheists. so people are calling themselfs muslims or christians, to please their grandparents, while being atheists. and even if they are not atheists, they just believing in some abstract "higher power" and don't care about an actual religion. i'm 100% sure that zagitova had never read a quran.
an actual muslims in russia are living in the north caucasus (chechens, avars etc.). those people are really religious.
so many vidoes......thank you for all the content
You guys wrong. When someone uses recognizable image based on MJ moves, Britney videoclip or famous ballet it’s okay. Because all of this was inspired by. It’s not okay if Danny G presented as his own creative, author’s choreography. normally inspired by someone else, it is not normal to give someone else for yours.
I know my English is awful, sorry for this.
Johnathan at 51:54 is literally gold ( by the way I totally agree with him EVERYONE STOP WYNING)
Karen Chen has had some rough time and not so great accomplishments in her career, but imho she's the most talented US skater since Sasha Cohen.
@@evanperilstein5308 of course Sasha was a supertalent, that's why I wrote "since Sasha Cohen"
Sasha koen ukianian .mirai japanese where USA? P.Chan N.Chen.Karen Chen .Jackie Chen Chinese ?
Oh Yippee!! Skating news and gossip..My favorite subjects .TY much guys..
Jonathan’s piano melts my heart❤️🎹
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Yes!! You guys are awesome
Tyler C
thanks for speaking on the whole Billie Eilish / Jojo drama! I think what pissed me off the most was how Jojo went after Alina and liked comments blaming her for the situation. So petty and unnecessary
Really ?? She only mentioned daniil iirc
maryelle19 she went over to Alina’s insta and commented on her pics asking her to dm, and she also liked comments which said that Alina was responsible / involved w/ stealing the choreo
My Wattpad Writes i saw on a figure skating account that Alina knew that the choreo was jojo’s (she saw it on yt or sm) so im guessing they told her and well she went on to blame alina too
It was danill who said that he and Alina liked jojo and decided to do the ex like that
Also i dont know for jojo a 17 year old its almost an adult (usa) that makes her own decision ...its something cultural because i remember that 10 YEARS OLD GIRLS FROM DANCE MOMS KNEW THAT TO STEAL CHOREO WAS WRONG 😱😱😱and they were like ..10 ?? But wherever
I'd like to learn more about copyright in skating tho. There was a whole thing with Kevin Reynolds not being allowed to use Joe Hisaishi's music without permission which was confusing.
I don't know about copyright use either. I do know that Yuzuru sent the person who put his "SEIMEI" music together to Joe Hisaishi's corporation to ask personally if Yuzu could use "View of Silence" & "Asian Dream Song" for his "Hope & Legacy" program. Joe had to be asked and after some discussion about how the music would be put together, he gave approval for 1x only.
@Barbara Kay Did you delete your comment? Anyway I saw part of it in my notifications. I think it was H&L that Hanyu had to contact Joe Hisaishi personally to see if he was ok with the edits, but Hanyu is special tho. I’d like to know how and who normally handle music copyright for other skaters cuz I doubt most skaters have time to learn all these laws, and I don’t think Kevin speaks Japanese or knew how to contact Joe Hisaishi to begin with.
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Hi, I think all of my post is available now. Sometimes I can take awhile to complete them. YES i AGREE With You about skater's not knowing the technicalities involved. Just for your benefit I would like to add that Keven speaks almost fluent Japanese but that doesn't change the circumstances about gaining access to music.
LOL at the part where Dave says: WHO GIVES A SHIT to people stirring about skaters trying to skate to the same music & at the end of the Video: You're copying me with his epic cute face at 1:10:27
Honestly there are many skaters skating to the same music every season, even at a single competition there can be 3 skaters skating to the same music so Medvedeva's reaction calling them copycat was uncalled for. Moreover, she didn't announced she was skating to " Bad Guy" either.
Mi Lim ❤️❤️
Where was her reaction?
@@TheSkatingLesson Evgenia reacted on Instagram after Daniil announced Alina's new EX music. Two or three weeks before that she gave an interview in a Russian TV show (and I guess it's somewhat famous in Russia; they drive people around in a car and ask them questions while sometimes singing - the format sounds familiar, I know 😂) and she said that her favorite song was "Bad guy" from Billie Eilish. Reacting on Instagram she said something like "when your EX music idea gets stolen" and posted another song from Billie "copycat" 🤣🤣. I thought the whole thing was hilarious!
I had never heard of Billie Eilish until Evgenia made a few posts liking her music on Instagram. It’s not really my taste at all, but perhaps I’m too old to appreciate her music.
Can you turn your volume up next time Dave? It was better for awhile, but your always super low compared to Jonathan's voice, especially when you do your asides! Lol. Thanks! 😉
Wait, aren't you guys close to each other now? You should do a show (dum, dum) n the same room! Lol.
I remember when I had to graduate from vera Bradley.. It was a sad moment
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one that doesn’t watch most exhibitions. I did not get Matteo Rizzo’s ghostbusters ordeal. I also have no idea who Billy Eilish (sp?) is, to tell you the truth.
L. Jose you’re not missing out!
Billie eilish is a really popular artist fight now. Personally I really like her music and think you should check it out but if it's not ur thing that's cool too lol
Laughing at your reaction to Matteo’s program. I showed it to my boyfriend before viewing it in its entirety. He’s a huge 1980’s Ghostbusters fan and he thought it was just stupid!
That outtake was everything.
I am 100% +5 in agreement with you about Vince and Gracie. It's icky. I'm rooting for Karen, I want her to do well. I'm glad she looks in great shape right now and hope she can find the balance she needs to strike at Cornell. I think she's the kind of athlete who overtrains when she has too much time on her hands and it might serve her well to learn lessons in time management and less on-ice time. But I'm not an elite skater or a coach and I don't know how she works, so I don't want to speculate. But if she's like many Cornelians I work with, she may just surprise us. I hope to run into her on the quad and give her some pep talks!
Happy for Meryl.
This whole Bad Guy situation was a 100% disgusting absurd. Thank you for saying it out loud.
Whoever made this thumbnail is doing a good job
Jenna Powers thank you!
Both the adults, daniil and jojo were wrong in this case. One because both of them try to include the blame on the teenager in this feud when she probably didnt know what she was doing was wrong. Did she even has a voice to refute daniil choreography or music choice in the first place ??? No ! So how come both of them have the nerve to put the blame on her as well. Sure someone need to tell her that copying part of the choreography without giving the credit to the original was wrong but should they do it online with so many haters already on the bay to swallow her up ??
The girls from dance moms were 10 and they knew it was wrong ...it depends in this case i dont think the skater really was aware
@@maryelle1927 Don't compare, with Alina is a different situation, I feel she only trusts and obeys her coaches and feels everything is all right with them, she probably didn't imagine that this could be a serious thing... Daniil on the other hand should be more careful !!!
Wowww! How prolific! Tx!
DuniaR 🙏
1:10:12 - Lol. I would actually be entertained by someone skating to that.
I also could've sworn Kaori Sakamoto skated to the Sister Act soundtrack as an Exhibition fairly recently... Close enough?
I kind of know what Gracie feels, I think. Back when I was in college, I was always in a musical. I played Elphaba before and it was good, but when I started working, I wan't able to join musicals again and then I stopped singing. I can sing when I'm with my friends or people I know and it would be awesome, but when we had a reunion in our theater org and we were invited to sing in a crowd and I saw how great my org mates are, every ounce of self confidence I had just melted down, I was was watched by a lot of people I don't know and it scared me, and I think that's what Gracie feel right now, she's good when it's just her and a few other people, but put her in a competition where she knows every jump counts and she's watched by so many people just waiting to criticize her and it scares her. She needs to believe in herself more and it sound easy, really, but it's hard. It's a step-by-step process. It may take long but I hope she feels better soon, :)
I think the assessment of Alysa is all wrong. I saw her at broadmoor last year, and this year. She has grown about 4-5 inches in that year, put on leg muscle, and added 2 quad lutzes. I think she’s going to be just fine. In person she looks strong and healthy and happy, which is much more than anyone can say for the Russian girls like valieva, who need I remind you hasn’t actually competed with a 3A or a quad yet while Alysa has for over a year. She has more work to do on her edge quality and posture but I definitely saw a huge difference. I’m here to promise you all Alysa is going to be just fine. No need to be skeptics or haters in her direction.
Why didn't they approach Jenny for Worst Cooks in America? I still remember some of those insta stories. (No shade intended! I love Jenny).
Oh, Dave... You’ve made great contributions through your shows re: skating, but your comment about Brown U. makes me a bit sad-as more women, LGBTQ and people of color choose to attend Brown over other Ivies...which has unfortunately been cited as the reason for the perception you note. Plenty of people choose Brown over other Ivies, let alone Stanford. Emma Watson, who got into all of the Ivies to which she applied-incl. Harvard and Princeton, chose to attend Brown, for instance, citing its strong advocacy for social justice. Lots of young people watch this show, so I do hope these stereotypic views won’t be planted into their heads...
I think teachers are into the Vera Bradley bags. They sell them at the Hallmark and stationary stores. Plus you can get more stuff now like scarves, tumblers and beach towels.
Dog Stuff too like leashes and bowls.
just don’t know why you hate Zagitova that much. You’re always making fun of her, being unnecessarily sarcastic. Did she hurt you?
Dont worry it's not just Zagi, it's Med in the past, they just dislike things associated with Eteri lol
They are getting more and more objective. I have to give it to them.
Wow! Your hypothesis is right. Alysa can’t do her 3A and quads now that she grew.
That box of wine won’t delegate itself.
She skates like a goddess
On loan from heaven
Her emotions on “open”
Like 7-11
A hop, a skip
She runs down the ice
Michelle on Mt Rushmore
Would be 4th of July nice
With Gracie something to consider is that with the amount of weight she gained that she will have loose skin that will make her look heavier than she actually might be. Especially in the midsection. I say this from sad experience and it never went away with diet and exercise until I had it snipped off.
So looking in shape and being in shape are two different things. And this might end up being a sad reality.
I do think she would get too much hate by posting it on her own page. Vincent's page is more of a safe zone because he can read and delete anything that is truly bad. It makes sense.
Gracie didn't gain nearly enough weight for loose skin to be an issue...
This is a random question, but can someone explain what the actual rhythm/pattern is for the RD? Broadway could mean anything. Which makes it so fun to think of songs different ice dancers should skate to, but I can't imagine that all of the pantheon of Broadway and opera could work for the assigned pattern.
Marisa Suescun it is actually the Finn Step!
@@TheSkatingLesson Ah, thank you!! So perhaps something uptempo is needed...
At this point the ivies might just start their own figure skating association. Probably better prize money.
I wonder why Jonathan doesn't look as though he's in more actual physical pain when Dave breaks into Dream Girls repertoire. There's probably a special numbing shot he gets in preparation beforehand.
Maybe because he knows it is for comedic effect?
48:48 I thought Dave said that Eunsoo is going back to train in Korea. Does Dave want to indicate that he made a false statement? Or was it not his fault?
Dustin M huh? I said she has been training in Korea. You Young trains with Tom Z. Where is the false statement?
@@TheSkatingLesson What I was meaning to say is that it seemed like you said that Eunsoo will train under her former Korean coach/es again in an older this and that. Now you ask by whom she is coached, even though you once said she's back in Korea. This made me question wether you kind of wanted to take your old statement back or something like that. English is not my first language so I hope there are no misunderstandings because of that.
A.Liu fake quads 100%UR 4lz 180°
Pcs 59 real gpf 50-55
Tech 84 .real 3 UR 70-72+55=(125) clean total
Are you high? We know that quad lutz for girls are like quad floops nowadays anyway.
Can a kind soul please explain how Broadmoor works and how there are separate categories/competitions? I'm also curious as to who won each of the competitions.
Adele Peng for senior, you can register for the short program (sp) only event or for the combined event. Karen Chen won the sp only event. The combined event had two qualifying groups where the skaters did their long programs for the qualifying round and then did their short and long programs for the final round. Alysa Liu and Hanna Harrell won each of their qualifying groups, but in the final round Alysa won (although Young You was leading after the final round short program).
Looking for the clips of Gracie. Her instagram seems to have some old ones.
neoh mike81 Look for the reposts on the TSL channel. They’re being uploaded by her coach, not her.
@itscoachvincent has the most recent ones (it's her coaches account)
26:50 Wait. I am willing to commission! You never sent me your email.
Matthew Hines I did send it. It’s theskatinglesson@gmail.com
What gymnastics documentary is Dave talking about? The new one on hbo?
No. Do you have a gmail?
I so am interested too. 🤗
My gurls be like pop oopie op
Wait, did you say Restencourt posted his abs? Where?
Vera Bradley are old ladies bags. Not little girls.lol
GRACIE GOLD IS NOT A CHILD. She is making her own decisions.
Where are the last two videos of “was Yunas robbed?” I was really looking forward to those.
Bad Guy Billie Eilish song chreograph by Jojo Gomez. The skating fans was saw this stunning similarities to that routine you know daniil reputation. You can see the link thru your message in TSL ig.
We are on the same page on Evita, lol. Why have Madonna when you can have Patti?
Andrea Goldstein I couldn’t believe someone would actually use the Madonna Evita-who does that?!?
I've been wanting to know what this elevator music in the intro is called. And who picked it up for the intro.
Wizard5 it’s an homage to a famous soap opera and styled to match because skating is our favorite soap opera!
I can answer this, as my mom used to watch this soap. It's Days of Our Lives! Lol
@@tb4522 It's from the Young and the Restless.
@@missj794 Oh, crap! You are right. Mom watched that one too! Should've known Dave would pick something with a gymnastics connection! Lol.
hudson won an oscar but beyonce winning in life. just sayin
It was wrong, Danil didn’t ask permission to use Jojo’s step sequence. But, honestly...make a big fuss in private! At least, she is being known because of them🧐
Did Jo Jo have permission from Billie to choreo her own version of Billie's copyrighted song?
She's better known than Daniil lol. She has some really good dancers dance to her choreos. She had every right to call Daniil out like that.
TB she basically gave her credit in the description box where it says who’s song it is, the name of the song, etc. and anyways all artists including figure skaters, dancers, choreographers use songs like that so..,.
Um, that's a slippery slope
Jason Brown is a clown, and that's his problem. He's always joking and smiling and being so damn chest. Compare him to Josh Farris. Josh is a serious guy. It seems like Jason is just wanting to be the good guy and be friends with everyone, but to be a champion, you MUST make enemies. This is competition. This is war.
Whoaa, why blame the personality?
Why do they keep saying "USFS" instead of "USFSA"?
That's how they identity themselves now. Which is confusing for those of us who grew up with USFSA.
They dropped the A
@@tb4522 Thank you
@@TheSkatingLesson Thank you
@@tb4522 USFSA migrant skaters ?
Trusova totally needs a haircut! I can't.
Why does her haircut worry people so much? It's not your business. I say it without any anger but I really don't understand
Hey does Sean have a British great great grandparents we will embrace him in Britain
I think it's interesting that you guys would consider Alysa's quads to be less consistent "tricks" than Trusova's, even though she seems to be landing her jumps more consistently in competition (comparing her triple axel last season, I think she was more consistently landing it than even Rika?). Although I agree that they appear more inconsistent, I wonder if it's because of the size of the jump and prerotation as opposed to the actual "success rate" of landing the jump.
Yay
please, Hong Kong has our own team in sports and in this aspect, is separate from China. Yi Christy will represent Hong Kong.
Thanks guys for explaining your view on the jojo&danil drama. Some people on ig still have strong opinion without having basic knowledge.
Ok, I might have to stop watching TSL after you've said that Jason creates some of the most beautiful pictures and positions! 😱
His lines are very ugly, so many unaestethic angles, and not only in his legs, but most importantly his arms and hands are horrible! (One of several reasons why I don't enjoy his performances)
But I agree with the second part, because I also often don't see the connection to the piece or the intent of those poses and choreographic details that he does, so I might give you a pass... ;D. With him there's always so many exaggerate hand gestures, that are so overdone on top of it, or that split jump, which is the worst... gives me a circus horse vibe, and pretty much never fits the music, except for his Cotton-Eyed Joe Exhibition maybe.