What the hell is this man saying? Someone has gone to jail for life based on his testimony and now he isn't sure he saw anything and he didn't record anything? And it isn't even clear he got the right nurse from the corrected door swipe access data? In his words it was all based on the absence of any other explanation. But we now know there are other explanations don't we?
As a Consultant - and as he has previously admitted to - he knows who to escalate concerns to and there are other bodies within the NHS and external (Coroner, Child Death overview) he could have done this to. Baby K - at the very least he could have submitted a DATIX - this would have triggered an investigation into the tube being dislodged. An hour long meeting with the CQC, a perfect opportunity to ask for support, to speak of his fears and unease over the increased mortality rate. Speaking directly to the Coroner. As a Consultant he ABSOLUTELY should have been speaking to the Coroner. All he does is apologise for not doing better, uses other people “ I thought / assumed they had done XYZ’. At not point did he make any effort, but seems to speak quite eloquently that he did his best and apologises for it not being good enough. The very clear reason here, is that Lucy Letby was a scapegoat and the Drs are covering up mass failings at the hospital. It is easier to apologise now when the life of another is sat behind behind bars and ruined. All while they get in their Jaguars and drive home to their families with smug grins on their faces. It is simply incomprehensible what has transpired here, but it is the greatest miscarriage of justice that we will ever see.
The person @dmg used the term "horrifying" ........ i feel that it is for everybody ....... (i admit .... we all get "ill") . All he had to do was a reasonable job 😞 . Then the "linierage" would have been the truth .... and that would have determined the whole trial . (i know that ... and i'm thick)
Baby K's endotracheal tube was not "dislodged". Ravi Jayaram went into the room with the intention of replacing the tube. He invented a reason to replace it. He didn't want to admit to the fact that medical mismanagement caused the first tube inserted to be TOO SMALL (size 2) and LEAKING (leaking around the outside of the tube which did not fit snugly in the baby's trachea). It meant the baby was deteriorating due to leaking oxygen - suboptimal oxygen delivery and suboptimal lung expansion. This would have been picked up by experienced doctors at Arrow Park where the baby was about to be transferred, had the tube not been replaced. To save his reputation Ravi Jayaram changed the tube to a size 2.5 (aided by Dr Smith?) prior to the baby's transfer out to Arrow Park. NB. TWO guidelines flouted here. ONE: Dr Smith, a locum, (by his own admission) was allowed to have 5 attempts (3 unsuccessful) at inserting the endotracheal tube. Dr Smith should have handed over to Dr Jayaram after second unsuccessful attempt at intubation. Babies are NOT there to practice on !!! TWO: Guidleines state the correct SIZE of tube to be inserted according to the weight and gestational age of the baby. It should have been a size 2.5 or 3.0. An experienced doctor would have managed this? It was easier for Dr Smith to insert a smaller tube. Again, the tube was not replaced due to "dislodgement". It was intentionally removed and another inserted by Dr Smith - under instruction/supervision by Ravi Jayaram, to protect their arses. On top of all this there is very good evidence (see Pauline Relf's amazing video) to suggest that Lucy Letby wasn't even working in that room (!), that Jayaram mistook another nurse (Caroline Oakley - a blonde nurse who looks very much like Lucy Letby) for Lucy Letby. No wonder Lucy Letby has no memory of the dislodgement episode! I can't imagine just how uncomfortable all this is for Ravi Jayaram. Oh what a tangled web we weave ... NO "dislodgement" took place. That tube needed to be replaced for other reasons - and was replaced.
I would like to know more about this dr smith. I've read that there was a locum doctor that the nurses on the neonatal unit did not want back on the ward. Why was this? Presumably it was because they thought he/she was incompetent
Baby K was labelled by Jayaram as “stable” and he failed to diagnose kidney failure, lung disease, uncontrolled low blood pressure, uncontrolled bg (blood gases) which were immediately picked up by the neonatal team at Arrowe Park.
@ginnythwaite good point. Dr Brearey intimated today in a roundabout way that neonates are never stable. Oops. The wheels are falling off the wagon. Liars have to be able to cover their tracks. Double Oops. For him and Jayaram.
Thanks for posting this - do you know if we are going to hear from Doctor B, the female doctor who gave evidence at the trial and who is responsible for the manslaughter of Noah Robinson in 2014?
Police do not prosecute doctors for errors it is a legal minefield ,so much easier to blame some one in the lower ranks as they do in all organisations esp state run
Oh my goodness he’s a lier He talks far far to much Look at me, listen to me I’m the centre of attention now I’m the important one in the room. I’ve got all the answers and gee I’m a bit of a rumour monger but super clever you know I don’t understand or realise, after all my training and experience in my own words the importance of documentation and I don’t know how to action mandatory reporting either but I can spot a serial killer from Across The room ( it makes me hysterical and irrational) even though in all probability I actually saw somebody else and not Lucy I could be a celebrity on tv you know I’m so full of it
Well his so called evidence is flawed. other nurses say the alarm was sounding he says it was not to create a myth of guilt . He didn't say anything at the time because it did not happen as he said he just wanted her to be convicted so he exaggerated and lied
One day hopefully the truth will come out. They (Jayaram and company) thought Letby was the evil person in a fairy story, but the evil is in their minds.
The KC should have asked Jayarem if the reporter tripped up when he asked J a question that elicited J's answer about how 4 or 5 babies might be alive. This is the time when Jayaram stopped and held his face. Did the reporter trip up? He asked J about the "enormity" of the part he played in the Letby case. This is worth a question because the reporter may have been revealing his concealed thoughts about the case.
Something becoming obvious is he was largely absent when collapses or deaths occurred, ordered Insulin/C-peptide and didn't follow up, away for days or on leave. How much correlated with when he was away, and who was covering for him? Baby K was the one he had his moment of fame with, and this is the best he could shamelessly come up with.
Ah so it’s ok to give incorrect information to an administrator because they are ‘just’ an administrator Where is the record of speaking to the consultant accepting the transfer (there should be one) What did he say to that person Also the nursing transfer handover sheet - what does that say
An alarm can't go off if it wasn't on. I believe that an alarm could be silenced on the moment of attendance. This means that a person did attend the alarm. A print can be obtained from the monitor set up to show how many alarms had not been attended. "LL standing there doing nothing" could have been the result that there was no plan written in babies notes of what action to take rather than being in attendance to observe for the next course of action. Someone should ask Dr Jayaram of what was he expecting LL to do? When he was there to take action himself.
I'm listening to this again amonth after having first heard it. The ai voice is not doing him any favours at all. It is making him sound like a complete fool.
I'm listening to this again a month after having first heard it. The ai voice is not doing him any favours at all. It is making him sound like a complete fool. Hs is speaking clearly, but churning out verbal diarrhea.
Baby dislodged the tube. He and others are guilty of negligence. Great stuff Jabe.
This entire case is built on a whole bunch of nothing. Thoughts, speculations, emotions... zero evidence.
Exactimo, still no smoking gun. Statistics have been manipulated . There is more going on here , at that hospital, with staff , docs
Jayaram has never sat good with me since the beginning, just my gut feeling.
What the hell is this man saying? Someone has gone to jail for life based on his testimony and now he isn't sure he saw anything and he didn't record anything? And it isn't even clear he got the right nurse from the corrected door swipe access data? In his words it was all based on the absence of any other explanation. But we now know there are other explanations don't we?
As a Consultant - and as he has previously admitted to - he knows who to escalate concerns to and there are other bodies within the NHS and external (Coroner, Child Death overview) he could have done this to. Baby K - at the very least he could have submitted a DATIX - this would have triggered an investigation into the tube being dislodged. An hour long meeting with the CQC, a perfect opportunity to ask for support, to speak of his fears and unease over the increased mortality rate. Speaking directly to the Coroner. As a Consultant he ABSOLUTELY should have been speaking to the Coroner. All he does is apologise for not doing better, uses other people “ I thought / assumed they had done XYZ’. At not point did he make any effort, but seems to speak quite eloquently that he did his best and apologises for it not being good enough. The very clear reason here, is that Lucy Letby was a scapegoat and the Drs are covering up mass failings at the hospital. It is easier to apologise now when the life of another is sat behind behind bars and ruined. All while they get in their Jaguars and drive home to their families with smug grins on their faces. It is simply incomprehensible what has transpired here, but it is the greatest miscarriage of justice that we will ever see.
thank you karenmaria
perfectly said...its horrifying
The person @dmg used the term "horrifying" ........ i feel that it is for everybody ....... (i admit .... we all get "ill")
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All he had to do was a reasonable job 😞
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Then the "linierage" would have been the truth .... and that would have determined the whole trial
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(i know that ... and i'm thick)
Thankyou for this
Incompetence and lies.Thanks for recreating this part of the enquiry.
1:28. He's tripping over himself. Is this a Freudian slip or what? "it comes back to the misplaced belief that you have to have evidence".
Jayaram: 'There was a misplaced belief that you had to have evidence.' Sums up this whole case.
Scary, but evidently true.
You couldn't make this up, honestly... Put that in a novel? No way...
@@turquoiseblue228 Exactly!
Dr breary
Dr Breary..Dr Breary
Baby K's endotracheal tube was not "dislodged". Ravi Jayaram went into the room with the intention of replacing the tube. He invented a reason to replace it. He didn't want to admit to the fact that medical mismanagement caused the first tube inserted to be TOO SMALL (size 2) and LEAKING (leaking around the outside of the tube which did not fit snugly in the baby's trachea). It meant the baby was deteriorating due to leaking oxygen - suboptimal oxygen delivery and suboptimal lung expansion. This would have been picked up by experienced doctors at Arrow Park where the baby was about to be transferred, had the tube not been replaced.
To save his reputation Ravi Jayaram changed the tube to a size 2.5 (aided by Dr Smith?) prior to the baby's transfer out to Arrow Park.
NB. TWO guidelines flouted here.
ONE: Dr Smith, a locum, (by his own admission) was allowed to have 5 attempts (3 unsuccessful) at inserting the endotracheal tube. Dr Smith should have handed over to Dr Jayaram after second unsuccessful attempt at intubation. Babies are NOT there to practice on !!!
TWO: Guidleines state the correct SIZE of tube to be inserted according to the weight and gestational age of the baby. It should have been a size 2.5 or 3.0. An experienced doctor would have managed this? It was easier for Dr Smith to insert a smaller tube.
Again, the tube was not replaced due to "dislodgement". It was intentionally removed and another inserted by Dr Smith - under instruction/supervision by Ravi Jayaram, to protect their arses.
On top of all this there is very good evidence (see Pauline Relf's amazing video) to suggest that Lucy Letby wasn't even working in that room (!), that Jayaram mistook another nurse (Caroline Oakley - a blonde nurse who looks very much like Lucy Letby) for Lucy Letby. No wonder Lucy Letby has no memory of the dislodgement episode! I can't imagine just how uncomfortable all this is for Ravi Jayaram. Oh what a tangled web we weave ...
NO "dislodgement" took place. That tube needed to be replaced for other reasons - and was replaced.
I would like to know more about this dr smith. I've read that there was a locum doctor that the nurses on the neonatal unit did not want back on the ward. Why was this? Presumably it was because they thought he/she was incompetent
Baby K was labelled by Jayaram as “stable” and he failed to diagnose kidney failure, lung disease, uncontrolled low blood pressure, uncontrolled bg (blood gases) which were immediately picked up by the neonatal team at Arrowe Park.
Weren't all the babies labelled "stable" to create their parallel construction?
@ginnythwaite good point. Dr Brearey intimated today in a roundabout way that neonates are never stable. Oops. The wheels are falling off the wagon. Liars have to be able to cover their tracks. Double Oops. For him and Jayaram.
@@ginnythwaite Yep babies needing critical care on ICU unit couldn’t be guaranteed one on one care due to staff shortages????
Thanks for posting this - do you know if we are going to hear from Doctor B, the female doctor who gave evidence at the trial and who is responsible for the manslaughter of Noah Robinson in 2014?
She's Dr V at the Thirlwall Inquiry and was there on 7th October.
@@JabesAllowed Thanks - sorry did I get the letter wrong above, or was she B at the trial?
Yes, Dr B in the trial was called Dr V in the Thirlwall Inquiry.
Why?@@JabesAllowed
Police do not prosecute doctors for errors it is a legal minefield ,so much easier to blame some one in the lower ranks as they do in all organisations esp state run
Oh my goodness he’s a lier
He talks far far to much
Look at me, listen to me I’m the centre of attention now I’m the important one in the room. I’ve got all the answers and gee I’m a bit of a rumour monger but super clever you know
I don’t understand or realise, after all my training and experience in my own words the importance of documentation and I don’t know how to action mandatory reporting either but I can spot a serial killer from Across The room ( it makes me hysterical and irrational) even though in all probability I actually saw somebody else and not Lucy
I could be a celebrity on tv you know I’m so full of it
Talk about leading questions, holey moley. Is this an enquiry or a circular confirmation session?
It's just a tick list. They don't care about if its just or fair.
@@HENNAtabasun1990 I think it is exposing the fakery from Jayaram.
I think the woman was pretty straight here...let him babble..then asked him a straight question again
First, the guy's "both hands are left," as we say. He can't place the tube correctly. Not "was dislodged." "I placed it wrong." @richardmullins44
Thank you, dear Jabe. :-)
2:55 ''It (the baby) had done it passively'... Moron and oxymoron!
He was told he needed evidence.
He catches Nurse Death 'virtually red handed'.
He goes back with 'evidence'.
Well his so called evidence is flawed. other nurses say the alarm was sounding he says it was not to create a myth of guilt . He didn't say anything at the time because it did not happen as he said he just wanted her to be convicted so he exaggerated and lied
One day hopefully the truth will come out. They (Jayaram and company) thought Letby was the evil person in a fairy story, but the evil is in their minds.
The KC should have asked Jayarem if the reporter tripped up when he asked J a question that elicited J's answer about how 4 or 5 babies might be alive. This is the time when Jayaram stopped and held his face. Did the reporter trip up? He asked J about the "enormity" of the part he played in the Letby case. This is worth a question because the reporter may have been revealing his concealed thoughts about the case.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE !!!! unbelievable....too busy being on tv
Something becoming obvious is he was largely absent when collapses or deaths occurred, ordered Insulin/C-peptide and didn't follow up, away for days or on leave. How much correlated with when he was away, and who was covering for him? Baby K was the one he had his moment of fame with, and this is the best he could shamelessly come up with.
This is like a soap opera 🤦♀️
Ah so it’s ok to give incorrect information to an administrator because they are ‘just’ an administrator
Where is the record of speaking to the consultant accepting the transfer (there should be one) What did he say to that person
Also the nursing transfer handover sheet - what does that say
An alarm can't go off if it wasn't on.
I believe that an alarm could be silenced on the moment of attendance.
This means that a person did attend the alarm.
A print can be obtained from the monitor set up to show how many alarms had not been attended.
"LL standing there doing nothing" could have been the result that there was no plan written in babies notes of what action to take rather than being in attendance to observe for the next course of action.
Someone should ask Dr Jayaram of what was he expecting LL to do? When he was there to take action himself.
Nurse Joanne Williams testified that the alarm WAS sounding. It's only Jayaram that says it wasn't.....
Does he have tics, or is constantly high on something?
quick to throw others under the bus
I'm listening to this again amonth after having first heard it. The ai voice is not doing him any favours at all. It is making him sound like a complete fool.
I'm listening to this again a month after having first heard it. The ai voice is not doing him any favours at all. It is making him sound like a complete fool. Hs is speaking clearly, but churning out verbal diarrhea.
Liar