Anti-baggers when they get hit and end up in 12th on lap 1: "uhh uhhhhhh..." *Drives forward without thinking and loses* But seriously though it's important to know how to do it, otherwise you're actually trying to lose (which is what bagging originally meant lol)
Fun fact: since item probabilities are partially based on distance, if you have a big enough lead then 2nd place starts pulling mushrooms and stars instead of red shells! Basically, get good. JK they start pulling triple reds at that point 😊
This also can be applied to single item boxes if you have a coin already. So if you have a coin in 1st hold onto it if your going through a single box set
Yesssss people ask me this all the time, it's good to spread this knowledge. Generally you should hold a coin if there is a single box coming up, to guarantee a red shell defense
I wouldn't be as upset with a 40% red shell rate if they were closer to how they worked in Wii and not trained US snipers with 300 confirmed kills trained in 38 different martial arts and also knows your ip address
You could dodge red shells entirely in DD!. It required a modicum of skill and timing, and not dodging them was frustrating because it was my fault, not because the game didn't give me a banana or green shell. You couldn't hold items out the back of the kart though. The Wii item distribution was wack. How many times have I been hit by a blue shell right in front of the finish line. Ugh. Felt like playing a slot machine rather than a racing game.
There was this one race I was playing online that I got two coins in first, and I thought it wasn’t possible, but then I saw the person in second holding a coin, and then he used it and had another, and at every item box set for the rest of the race all anybody got was 2 coins. It was also a broken lobby, half of the people playing dced and their karts were just sitting in the middle of the track. Definitely one of the weirdest races I’ve ever played
I had a race where i kept getting double coin and assumed everyone else must be getting either coins or mushrooms (typical lag scenario), but 2nd place pulled red shells and ended me. I got coins for the rest of the race 😊
that has happened to me multiple times and usually occurs when there is a bad connection. Honestly at that point I just start praying it doesn't kick me out at the end of the race and mark me down 35 VR. It will give you double coins in first, and probably double trooms in bottom spots. (triple mushrooms)
I love your content man! I love the passion and excitement you have when playing. Its insane how well you can play and talk, that is a very hard thing to do while managing all the things you need in a race. A few months ago I played Mario Kart just casually, but after seeing a video I had to idea just how deep the mechanics went. You got me back into the game and helped me get way better. Hope you continue to succeed!
Thank you!! On the surface it seems like randomness means less skill, but in reality it means that it takes more skill to adapt to the infinite possibilities. Im still improving at mario kart and it continues to amaze me how much better the best players are
I’m convinced that the people that are always saying bagging is cheating have never played an online race lol, that would explain the “going fast all the time wins you the race” argument since that works with the CPUs usually
I play online all the time and i hate bagging because of the mere concept of winning first by staying last which is counterintuitive. If I ever win by bagging the victory feels empty because I got extra lucky. You are adding an extra layer of skill and luck on top of the skill and luck already needed to win Plus you can still bag and not get good enough items needed so losing feels even worse because you decided to stay back
It’s not necessarily cheating, it’s just cheap. It’s using a catchup mechanic Nintendo put in to make the game fun for 3 year olds as a strategy to let the game cheat for you. Wow that’s amazing you held back and didn’t try to race for two laps until you got a star and a bullet bill, you’re so skilled!
@@jonazo7188 if you still think that bagging is all about getting lucky items, then you don't understand how it works. A bullet bill usually cannot take you from 12th to even 6th if your opponents are good, and that's the best item you are likely to get.
I think the fact that you can pull up to 4 REDS around 2-3rd at an item set while the very best first place can do is a very low (~9%) chance of two defense items with no coins for defense is very jank, even for Mario Kart standards lol.
The funny thing is that 1st place can have a 30% chance of double protection by holding a defense in the 1st slot, and getting another item. BUT this makes you susceptible to the boo 70% of the time, since your defense is in the first slot. Truly jank
@@Shortcat321this reminded me of the idea i never shared with you: Underdogging. Please make a video where you stay in second( or third if unlucky) place for the entire race until the very end and win every time❤ its viable just not tested.😂😂😂
Let us not forget how accurate red shells are. Seriously, it's like aimbot. Nothing seems to be able to crack them. I once saw one coming after me going through a chain chomp. Just throw one, and it's guaranteed to hit the person in front of you. And if not hit, then at least reach.
Yeah i wish there was more counterplay like in mario kart wii. Once the red shell is close enough to you in mkwii, they basically start going straight at you and will break on walls and other obstacles. Also they dont fly. In mk8dx, there are only a few guaranteed ways to dodge it on a wall (rarely), and anything else is basically a fluke
@@Shortcat321this is the case in double dash too. It is very obvious there. You can dodge a red shell just by suddenly making a turn at the right moment (happend to me once but im not good enough to do it consistently
I just remembered that in the ds version the red shell is more dangerous cuz if you try to outmaneuver it unsuccessfully, you can get hit even if you have some type of defence
Is anyone gonna point out just how clean that transition was from grabbing the super horn at the end to prove his point about the blue shell dodging from the clip finishing at the beginning of the loop? Impeccable.
If bagging is cheating, then the Coin percentage is (ironically) highway robbery. I'm fine with the coin chance so that 1st is always a little in trouble plus it factors into saving good items for Boos and a quick way of getting coins back after a Blue Shell hit but 70% when 2nd's rolling reds nearly half the time is kinda bull.
The list of racing events where you should not always go as fast as possible is pretty misleading, though. Most of those are there to preserve either driver or vehicle. When that is not a consideration, go fast. Particularly, on the mention of #3, Formula 1 Pit Strategies, fresh tires are to ensure you don't crash and die from a blown tire going hundreds of miles per hour.
That screenshot LOL Everytime I see someone going like "a racing game where you're not trying to be in first at ALL TIMES is bad design" I'm like bruh that's not how pretty much any race works - if not any competition for that matter lol
@@Chloeprettyoccasionally none, because racing irl doesn't give u boxes with random items like bob-ombs, blue shells, STARS, BULLET BILLS, and the F*CKING SHOCK. In other words, "kart racing" in the context of a video game is ANYTHING BUT REAL LIFE.
I didn't know the probability for the Red Shell was that high for 2nd place. It seems like 2nd place might be the safest place to be for the majority of the race! 😅
At high level (competitive), yes. In worldwides where I play 1st place is often safer because of the varying skill level. You can get extremely far ahead by being a better driver
Honestly I don't mind the amount of red shells but the chance of a defense in first should be at least the same as the percentage of getting red shells
Item strategy is a big part of what you need to learn to perform well in this game. Knowing good lines is great, in time trials. Online, or even against CPU, you get bumped and you have to react and anticipate to when and how item will impact the race.
About that list (Most likely AI generated) "NASCAR Drafting" To win while drafting, you already must be in 1st or 2nd place. "Cycling Time Trials" Just read the name "Formula 1 Pit Strategies" is plane wrong. Also, refueling in F1 has been banned for a while. "Endurance Racing" Correct. Should've used this as an example. "Marathon Running" You cannot really draft a human. Even if possible, refer to "NASCAR Drafting" "Touring Car Racing" Not enough information
People complaining about bagging should not play Mario Kart. Items are an essential method to add cretivity to the race, different strats made on the go while racing. Why would you act like its Colin Mcrae Rally? Its plain stupid.
Would be interesting to see content like this about other kart racers, for example something like the fan game Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers, since in that game you can basicly always choose the items you get, how that affects the balance of races to a strategy level is quite diferent for the experience of things.
cool tip i learned: if you want to avoid getting coins while frontrunning or getting your banana/green shells/super horns booed then hold a coin in the first item slot and the second item will always be something else, keep the coin until it gets booed or you need to use your other item but you need to be fast too
Comparing pit stops, energy conservation, and slipstreams (a mechanic already implemented in mk8), to sitting behind for star power is hilarious cope. Can't wait for the next video about how camping in COD is actually a very fun and sportsmanlike stratgey, which emulates real life war!
One time I did actually did get 2 coins in first place, but it was because of a weird lag situation Everyone else was frozen on the map and I was in first place, I got an item box and it kept scrolling for way longer than it should have, then it gave me 2 coins Not long after, the game kicked me out, it was really funky
Hate how I could (hypothetically) have a blue shell, red shell, bullet bill, and a starman all about to hit me at the same time and the only thing I could get to defend myself is a damn coin.
I figured.outnhow to stop bagging in later games. It's speed and direction dependent. On top of what places you're in. They can add if you're going the appropriate speed for the cc and load out type. And they can see if you're going back and forth to get an item. If you got hit by an item before there will be a single hit freebie that will ignore the speed and direction requirements and only rely on the position of character. But it'll only be active for 5 ish seconds
I’ll say i’m a competitive Mario Kart racer, i didn’t watch any TH-cam videos how to … “bagging”, more me accidentally found that method. 1 day I’m just playing around and trying to win, i usually love to start from the back in the race cause more challenging but i when i do win I’m like, “how did i win, i wasn’t even trying” I choose not to win. lol, Mandy
The 70% Coin and 40% Red Shell is all we can complain about since bagging was removed in an update to MK8D. Well that and the fact that if you play with Items on. Who wins or looses is determined mostly by RNG.
I already learned the hard way how annoying front running can be ESPECIALLY online. Now I will use bagging to crush my family and friends in mario kart, thanks 🙏
In the end, I've done it here and there but I've got to try it. It's a tell that some show they're addicted to their own misery and that they've lost their ability to feel any joy at all.
I actually think getting coins is not the worst thing in the world since without them 1st can feel way more untouchable in comparison to how it feels already
I see no issue with bagging. My issue is that no matter what happens, First place is the worst position to be in. I _should_ slow myself down to be in second place to guarantee myself a win, But I don’t because I want to go _fast._
What Mario Kart fans call "bagging" is a pretty normal part of racing irl. Look at Mazdas 1990 bagging win at Le Mans for example. They detuned their cars by like 30% until the final hours of the race and then took first place after other competitors started crashing out and damaging their transmissions and stuff.
Never forget the one time I was chasing my brother and he was so good I just pulled only reds and even a triple one out of like 4 boxes. 6 red shells incoming!
Idk but one day i was playing mario kart and i kept getting coins, literally the only item i got in the whole game were coins, and i think everyone else also got coins since there was no shock and blue shell.
Or we can address the issue at its core. Mario Cart isnt traditional racing. Why? Because of the items. The items add another layer of complexity to this game. Imagine it like mechanic that wasnt originally intended but works. And if you still dont like it, F1 teams utilise bagging. And they dont even have items.
People might already know this but the blue shell killer also works on red shells, just gotta time it right. I press x to look back and time it right before it hits me
Hey Shortcat! I was watching one of your videos and was wondering how the game knows your off-road, what I mean is like what wheels determine wether or not you’re going to slow down on the grass, is it the back wheels? Or front wheels? I have no idea and I would like to know!
I went into a dudes stream once and he was non stop complaining about how bagging players are “a cult” and it “ruins the game in its entirety”. I’m not sure why he still plays the game if he had this aggressive attitude about it. But i went on to basically say if you wanna not get left behind, you just gotta join em & he went on to ban me 🗿 As stated in the top comment, you just gotta join em. It’s a strategy that’s gonna be used whether you like it or not & it does still take skill to do it right.
Racing is going fast yeah sure but this is racing with magic items and getting the right items and using them right requires a strategy bagging is a strategy
If I'm not mistaken, deluxe's distance based item system is the reason bagging is viable in the first place. All we can do is learn to bag and hope this changes in mk9 😅 No, but really Nintendo, *you better have learned something*
While bagging is a valid strat to adjust your placement and get better items, i do hate heavy bagging like in cheeseland and baby park. More than half of the room are stopping before the first set and tries to out-bag each other. It is ridiculous.
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Everyone always asks "why, Nintendo?" But never "how's Nintendo?"
@@Shortcat321Sometimes I ask "How, Nintendo?" because I really don't understand them sometimes
@@Shortcat321I hope they are well
@@Shortcat321 I ask "What Nintendo?" Because I just get confused what they're trying to even do sometimes
If you can't beat the baggers, join them
Anti-baggers when they get hit and end up in 12th on lap 1: "uhh uhhhhhh..." *Drives forward without thinking and loses*
But seriously though it's important to know how to do it, otherwise you're actually trying to lose (which is what bagging originally meant lol)
I thought this was gonna be a drive through joke so the image of a Mario kart drive through will forever haunt me @@Shortcat321
@@Shortcat321Bagging takes skill
I beat them easily front running so I guess
I'm just better 😁
You were 2 letters away from saying a very bad sentence😅
I feel like every time I get into 1st, 2nd pulls double red shells 🤦♂️
Same, it's a nightmare
@@MaxymilianGamingit feels rigged lol
Or triple reds and greens
@@hanchen267if they get unlucky they can iterally hit theirself with their green shells
Fun fact: since item probabilities are partially based on distance, if you have a big enough lead then 2nd place starts pulling mushrooms and stars instead of red shells! Basically, get good.
JK they start pulling triple reds at that point 😊
This also can be applied to single item boxes if you have a coin already. So if you have a coin in 1st hold onto it if your going through a single box set
Yesssss people ask me this all the time, it's good to spread this knowledge. Generally you should hold a coin if there is a single box coming up, to guarantee a red shell defense
@@Shortcat321also boo protection probs
I wouldn't be as upset with a 40% red shell rate if they were closer to how they worked in Wii and not trained US snipers with 300 confirmed kills trained in 38 different martial arts and also knows your ip address
You could dodge red shells entirely in DD!. It required a modicum of skill and timing, and not dodging them was frustrating because it was my fault, not because the game didn't give me a banana or green shell. You couldn't hold items out the back of the kart though.
The Wii item distribution was wack. How many times have I been hit by a blue shell right in front of the finish line. Ugh. Felt like playing a slot machine rather than a racing game.
@@ujiltromm7358you Can also do something called Wall dodging in mk8d to Dodge a red shell without items
@ujiltromm7358 You can also still block red shells with your items by timing back throws in DD, which adds another layer of depth to the counterplay.
@@ujiltromm7358remember back in Double Dash when accurate homing weapons were *the unique Yoshi item?*
There was this one race I was playing online that I got two coins in first, and I thought it wasn’t possible, but then I saw the person in second holding a coin, and then he used it and had another, and at every item box set for the rest of the race all anybody got was 2 coins. It was also a broken lobby, half of the people playing dced and their karts were just sitting in the middle of the track. Definitely one of the weirdest races I’ve ever played
What VR were they?
@@chilly4496 mine is about 11,000 but idk about the other people. It was in worldwide
I had a race where i kept getting double coin and assumed everyone else must be getting either coins or mushrooms (typical lag scenario), but 2nd place pulled red shells and ended me. I got coins for the rest of the race 😊
@@Shortcat321 luckily for me I was in first when that started happening so I just got to front run the rest of the race
that has happened to me multiple times and usually occurs when there is a bad connection. Honestly at that point I just start praying it doesn't kick me out at the end of the race and mark me down 35 VR. It will give you double coins in first, and probably double trooms in bottom spots. (triple mushrooms)
I love your content man! I love the passion and excitement you have when playing. Its insane how well you can play and talk, that is a very hard thing to do while managing all the things you need in a race. A few months ago I played Mario Kart just casually, but after seeing a video I had to idea just how deep the mechanics went. You got me back into the game and helped me get way better. Hope you continue to succeed!
Thank you!! On the surface it seems like randomness means less skill, but in reality it means that it takes more skill to adapt to the infinite possibilities. Im still improving at mario kart and it continues to amaze me how much better the best players are
I’m convinced that the people that are always saying bagging is cheating have never played an online race lol, that would explain the “going fast all the time wins you the race” argument since that works with the CPUs usually
Yeah, that has to be it. The CPUs are so easy to beat with just good driving. They give you little to no idea what actually competitive play is like
Bagging= pitting for better tyres
I play online all the time and i hate bagging because of the mere concept of winning first by staying last which is counterintuitive. If I ever win by bagging the victory feels empty because I got extra lucky. You are adding an extra layer of skill and luck on top of the skill and luck already needed to win
Plus you can still bag and not get good enough items needed so losing feels even worse because you decided to stay back
It’s not necessarily cheating, it’s just cheap. It’s using a catchup mechanic Nintendo put in to make the game fun for 3 year olds as a strategy to let the game cheat for you. Wow that’s amazing you held back and didn’t try to race for two laps until you got a star and a bullet bill, you’re so skilled!
@@jonazo7188 if you still think that bagging is all about getting lucky items, then you don't understand how it works. A bullet bill usually cannot take you from 12th to even 6th if your opponents are good, and that's the best item you are likely to get.
I think the fact that you can pull up to 4 REDS around 2-3rd at an item set while the very best first place can do is a very low (~9%) chance of two defense items with no coins for defense is very jank, even for Mario Kart standards lol.
The funny thing is that 1st place can have a 30% chance of double protection by holding a defense in the 1st slot, and getting another item. BUT this makes you susceptible to the boo 70% of the time, since your defense is in the first slot. Truly jank
Also, in grand prix mode you can get triple bananas in 1st. For some reason thats not possible in versus mode (including online)
@@Shortcat321 oh yeahhh I always thought that it was just way more rare online to get triples lol, like a 0.01% Chance.
@@Shortcat321this reminded me of the idea i never shared with you: Underdogging. Please make a video where you stay in second( or third if unlucky) place for the entire race until the very end and win every time❤ its viable just not tested.😂😂😂
going in my top 10 reasons I can’t wait for CTGPDX (ctgp for Mario kart 8 deluxe)
Let us not forget how accurate red shells are.
Seriously, it's like aimbot. Nothing seems to be able to crack them.
I once saw one coming after me going through a chain chomp.
Just throw one, and it's guaranteed to hit the person in front of you. And if not hit, then at least reach.
Yeah i wish there was more counterplay like in mario kart wii. Once the red shell is close enough to you in mkwii, they basically start going straight at you and will break on walls and other obstacles. Also they dont fly. In mk8dx, there are only a few guaranteed ways to dodge it on a wall (rarely), and anything else is basically a fluke
@@Shortcat321this is the case in double dash too. It is very obvious there. You can dodge a red shell just by suddenly making a turn at the right moment (happend to me once but im not good enough to do it consistently
I just remembered that in the ds version the red shell is more dangerous cuz if you try to outmaneuver it unsuccessfully, you can get hit even if you have some type of defence
IK this is really off topic, but the url of this video is so clean lol
WLAAY-YMPUE?
Is anyone gonna point out just how clean that transition was from grabbing the super horn at the end to prove his point about the blue shell dodging from the clip finishing at the beginning of the loop? Impeccable.
Ik
Mario kart players: I hate the coin item!
Scrooge McDuck: I love the coin item!
life is like a hurricane here in duckburg
Race-cars, lasers, airplanes it’s a duck-blur
Might solve a mystery, or rewrite history
Ducktales! Uh-uh
me: i hate myself!
This just proves how hard it is to frontrun
If bagging is cheating, then the Coin percentage is (ironically) highway robbery. I'm fine with the coin chance so that 1st is always a little in trouble plus it factors into saving good items for Boos and a quick way of getting coins back after a Blue Shell hit but 70% when 2nd's rolling reds nearly half the time is kinda bull.
Now imagine having 1 item slot like in mario kart 8 wii u
@@Shortcat321 wait... MK8 DIDN'T HAVE DOUBLE ITEM SLOT?!
The list of racing events where you should not always go as fast as possible is pretty misleading, though. Most of those are there to preserve either driver or vehicle. When that is not a consideration, go fast.
Particularly, on the mention of #3, Formula 1 Pit Strategies, fresh tires are to ensure you don't crash and die from a blown tire going hundreds of miles per hour.
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70% chance for a coin in first but 99% chance for a coin when I'm in second.
@@zerotimeleft um I would if I already had one. We're assuming we don't bud
Thank you Shortcat, I honestly didn't know about this strategy and now I'll start to use it when most appropriate
Lol love the real life racing examples! Racing is about strategy as much as it is about going fast
That screenshot LOL Everytime I see someone going like "a racing game where you're not trying to be in first at ALL TIMES is bad design" I'm like bruh that's not how pretty much any race works - if not any competition for that matter lol
Seriously though which actual race do you do anything comparable to this?
@@Chloeprettyoccasionally none, because racing irl doesn't give u boxes with random items like bob-ombs, blue shells, STARS, BULLET BILLS, and the F*CKING SHOCK. In other words, "kart racing" in the context of a video game is ANYTHING BUT REAL LIFE.
@@zerotimeleft I wasn't the one comparing it to real life, I was merely asking the person who did to elaborate, because it's bs.
I didn't know the probability for the Red Shell was that high for 2nd place. It seems like 2nd place might be the safest place to be for the majority of the race! 😅
At high level (competitive), yes. In worldwides where I play 1st place is often safer because of the varying skill level. You can get extremely far ahead by being a better driver
watching these videos bring back memories from the past. they even encouraged me to play the game again.
The thanks nintendo is crazy i always see your vids and they surprise me everyday especially with these
Honestly I don't mind the amount of red shells but the chance of a defense in first should be at least the same as the percentage of getting red shells
Thanks to you my girlfriend fell in love with Mario Kart, and now she’s almost at 10,000 rank! Love your videos thank you 😄
Item strategy is a big part of what you need to learn to perform well in this game.
Knowing good lines is great, in time trials.
Online, or even against CPU, you get bumped and you have to react and anticipate to when and how item will impact the race.
“but you cannot get two coins”
item lag: “you wanna bet?”
Gotta love the consistent Shortcat videos!
“Who knows, you might get blue shell protection and win the race” dang it Shortcat! I had to rewatch and see😂 Sneaky!!
Woah that "I hate baggers" sounds way too close for me 😂😅😂
Thanks Nintendo for making a fun party racing game
Exactly
One of the most fun games I've ever played!
I mean, it *is* a fun party racing game. The issue is that people try to take it seriously / play it regularly
Carlos Sainz Jr in F1 2023 Singapur GP:
You must go fast to win?
“Thanks Nintendo” will never get old
About that list (Most likely AI generated)
"NASCAR Drafting" To win while drafting, you already must be in 1st or 2nd place.
"Cycling Time Trials" Just read the name
"Formula 1 Pit Strategies" is plane wrong. Also, refueling in F1 has been banned for a while.
"Endurance Racing" Correct. Should've used this as an example.
"Marathon Running" You cannot really draft a human. Even if possible, refer to "NASCAR Drafting"
"Touring Car Racing" Not enough information
People complaining about bagging should not play Mario Kart. Items are an essential method to add cretivity to the race, different strats made on the go while racing. Why would you act like its Colin Mcrae Rally? Its plain stupid.
the entirety of MK8DX's design seems to be tailored towards punishing 1st place 😂
im glad jperm is back but dont deny it I saw scs comment on a nold video
Everyone knows “baggers can’t be choosers”
Did you know you can bag in first place
Me: this is why life is meaningless
Me if I made a Mario Kart item thing: “Red Shell chance reduced to 30%, and coin reduced to 35% that seems more fair.”
Would be interesting to see content like this about other kart racers, for example something like the fan game Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers, since in that game you can basicly always choose the items you get, how that affects the balance of races to a strategy level is quite diferent for the experience of things.
cool tip i learned: if you want to avoid getting coins while frontrunning or getting your banana/green shells/super horns booed then hold a coin in the first item slot and the second item will always be something else, keep the coin until it gets booed or you need to use your other item but you need to be fast too
Nintendo really wants Mario Kart to be chaotic, after seeing that percentage....
I never actually bagged in first place so this is very useful. I will now be protected every time I get shocked in first.
I know I’m late on this one but how is no one mentioning the really cool loop? I love that your creative with these!
Lag in the back
: did you forget me?
Comparing pit stops, energy conservation, and slipstreams (a mechanic already implemented in mk8), to sitting behind for star power is hilarious cope. Can't wait for the next video about how camping in COD is actually a very fun and sportsmanlike stratgey, which emulates real life war!
Average GPT answer: Formula 1 pit refueling is apparently allowed again ._.
If bagging is a mechanic in the game, it's not cheating. It's like when people get pressed for counterswapping in hero shooters
Bagging might not be super healthy for MK8DX but it’s definitely not cheap or cheating. It takes skill and a bit of luck to get from 12th to 1st
That's why you don't use that coin right away. If you hold it, the next item is guaranteed to NOT be a coin
me: in first
my friend: in second, pulls out double red shells
me: coin and banana, thanks nintendo
At this point using items is considered ”a form of cheating”
"you can never pull 2 coins"
Lag: ima spawn brb
One time I did actually did get 2 coins in first place, but it was because of a weird lag situation
Everyone else was frozen on the map and I was in first place, I got an item box and it kept scrolling for way longer than it should have, then it gave me 2 coins
Not long after, the game kicked me out, it was really funky
"It was the detour that was our shortest path"-gyro zeppeli
When you started the video I instantly thought if you bag in first maybe you can pull a mushroom or green shell( since bagging is removed)
Hell yeah a 110% chance to get semi-useful items in first place
The definition for bagging has gotten to general 💀
Thats just called having good item awareness lol
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That racing list looks like the UI of an AI website
Okay now we gotta learn how to bagg irl
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Hate how I could (hypothetically) have a blue shell, red shell, bullet bill, and a starman all about to hit me at the same time and the only thing I could get to defend myself is a damn coin.
I dont have such weaknesses
Tour doesnt even allow you to stop
I figured.outnhow to stop bagging in later games. It's speed and direction dependent. On top of what places you're in. They can add if you're going the appropriate speed for the cc and load out type. And they can see if you're going back and forth to get an item. If you got hit by an item before there will be a single hit freebie that will ignore the speed and direction requirements and only rely on the position of character. But it'll only be active for 5 ish seconds
I watch the video where you did the 180 mid air pretty cool
"Bagging in 1rst place haha funny...
Wdym its not a joke?!"
“BaGgING Is a FOrM oF ChEaTInG”
Ok buddy say it to my face, lap 3 last place
I’ll say i’m a competitive Mario Kart racer, i didn’t watch any TH-cam videos how to … “bagging”, more me accidentally found that method. 1 day I’m just playing around and trying to win, i usually love to start from the back in the race cause more challenging but i when i do win I’m like, “how did i win, i wasn’t even trying”
I choose not to win. lol, Mandy
Instructions Unclear: I got double coins from double boxes two times in a row...
The 70% Coin and 40% Red Shell is all we can complain about since bagging was removed in an update to MK8D. Well that and the fact that if you play with Items on. Who wins or looses is determined mostly by RNG.
I already learned the hard way how annoying front running can be ESPECIALLY online.
Now I will use bagging to crush my family and friends in mario kart, thanks 🙏
In the end, I've done it here and there but I've got to try it. It's a tell that some show they're addicted to their own misery and that they've lost their ability to feel any joy at all.
"TERRAIN, TERRAIN, PULL UP *whoop whoop* BANK ANGLE, BANK ANGLE, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10"
That loops was way to clean
"Bagging is cheating"
Same players prolly complain about drift boosts too
Turning off coins so that everyone benefits: Society is good again
As a british person i approve of this music
this is the music for the germany track
another saying in racing is "if ya ain't cheatin' ya ain't tryin'"
Thats useful thanks Shortcat!
I actually think getting coins is not the worst thing in the world since without them 1st can feel way more untouchable in comparison to how it feels already
I see no issue with bagging. My issue is that no matter what happens, First place is the worst position to be in. I _should_ slow myself down to be in second place to guarantee myself a win, But I don’t because I want to go _fast._
What Mario Kart fans call "bagging" is a pretty normal part of racing irl. Look at Mazdas 1990 bagging win at Le Mans for example. They detuned their cars by like 30% until the final hours of the race and then took first place after other competitors started crashing out and damaging their transmissions and stuff.
Never forget the one time I was chasing my brother and he was so good I just pulled only reds and even a triple one out of like 4 boxes. 6 red shells incoming!
If you can’t beat the baggers, join em 💀
Idk but one day i was playing mario kart and i kept getting coins, literally the only item i got in the whole game were coins, and i think everyone else also got coins since there was no shock and blue shell.
Or we can address the issue at its core.
Mario Cart isnt traditional racing. Why? Because of the items. The items add another layer of complexity to this game. Imagine it like mechanic that wasnt originally intended but works.
And if you still dont like it, F1 teams utilise bagging. And they dont even have items.
No one:
Me at 1st place "bagging" for a Horn: Gets *bomb*
People might already know this but the blue shell killer also works on red shells, just gotta time it right. I press x to look back and time it right before it hits me
Hey Shortcat! I was watching one of your videos and was wondering how the game knows your off-road, what I mean is like what wheels determine wether or not you’re going to slow down on the grass, is it the back wheels? Or front wheels? I have no idea and I would like to know!
“I hate baggers” sounds weirdly racial
I went into a dudes stream once and he was non stop complaining about how bagging players are “a cult” and it “ruins the game in its entirety”. I’m not sure why he still plays the game if he had this aggressive attitude about it. But i went on to basically say if you wanna not get left behind, you just gotta join em & he went on to ban me 🗿
As stated in the top comment, you just gotta join em. It’s a strategy that’s gonna be used whether you like it or not & it does still take skill to do it right.
Getting triple red shelled back to back to back is fun in Frantic items
Hey Shortcat can you make a video on all of the shortcuts in the game?
Racing is going fast yeah sure but this is racing with magic items and getting the right items and using them right requires a strategy bagging is a strategy
If I'm not mistaken, deluxe's distance based item system is the reason bagging is viable in the first place. All we can do is learn to bag and hope this changes in mk9 😅
No, but really Nintendo, *you better have learned something*
While bagging is a valid strat to adjust your placement and get better items, i do hate heavy bagging like in cheeseland and baby park. More than half of the room are stopping before the first set and tries to out-bag each other. It is ridiculous.
If it can be done ingame without getting patched or getting you banned, then it is not cheating.
0:16 Well, I'm pretty sure other kinds of racing don't include nitro shrooms, turtle skeleton missiles and targeted thunderstorms.
A message to bagger haters: IT IS A CHILDREN’S GAME