@@Heresor Well, I think this is what passive perception is for in typical TTRPGs. If the players indicate they're looking, they could roll better than their passive perception - but on a failure they still don't 'know' if there was actually something to find. Otherwise the DM just quietly checks against passive perception and reveals things as needed. At no point do you know there was something to find if you failed to pass the check. But that's difficult to do in a video game as you either just make invisible roles (which some games do) or you trigger automatic roles and tell the players they failed (which does indicate there was something to roll for) or you force the player to constantly make perception rolls manually, which is not terribly fun and could be potentially abused. It's a tough balance.
Invisible rolls are the best option for that, in my opinion. Even if the players are actively checking objects or rooms for "clues or traps", they shouldn't be told if they succeeded or not, but only provided information. That's why it should always be the DM doing these checks for the players, unless you have good roleplayers who don't use the metainformation of having a high or low roll @@t3hsilarn
@@t3hsilarn I mean its rather simple to implement in games, auto do passive checks, but also allow players to do a active checks, For 3d games have your field of vison be the cast area and do a effect like AC eagles vision. When you enter the mode it rolls perception, locking that roll in on all objects in that area, if you passed they highlight, if not they are locked as a fail, same could be done in 2d games but just have if be in a cone in direction your facing. Make it slow your move speed slightly when you activate it, or stop you from moving while focusing vision and players will not want to use it constantly and only using it when they suspect there is somthing. Or just be ok with moving very slowly. You could also only save the rolls for a set amount of time letting them retry later.
The health potions would be hilarious. Ben-"Rowan, can you spare a health potion"? Rowan-"I would but I might need them" Ben-"Ah damn how many do you have? Like 2?" Rowan- *Mumbles 400* Ben- 🤨
There are bodies on the floor they don't look hurt by weapons. Open bottle with cork at the bar but no bartender. They might be dead or the culprit. Most likely a poison or deug in the alcohol. I'm guessing some drug was used to knock out the patronages and the next room contains a secret tunnel to transport them for the mindflayer. Or they poisoned and the body's are being used for a ritual in the next room. Rolls for persuasion...
Sometimes a DM feels like saying roll for perception, and will not reply further other than 'thanks'. :) Even if you succeed, it keeps the metagamers questioning lol
You mean like, clue notes pinned on the clues board bathing in glowing green light which none of them looked at? 0:56 , that's a video game thing right?
I was thinking they missed seeing a huge dragon sleeping just in front of them or something like that. Basically, the same thing that you were thinking. lol
Well that would obviously be the large group of bandits that is just sitting in the room celebrating their latest heist and utterly baffled by the four armed randos that just walked into their lair as if they owned the place and then suddenly started crying about something to do with "perception".
I was hoping that we'd get to see someone sitting at the bar having a drink, trying to talk to the party but the party just keeps failing to notice them
Right? Just like obvious trap triggers and like a poorly hidden enemy or three but they just fail to see them because perception failure. There's nothing I love more than rolling a nat 1 on perception and just coming up with some absurd OOC nonsense "Fuck nat 1 my ranger forgets where he is and gets confused about who all these people around him are" "Nat 1 my dude forgets how to open his eyes for a few minutes" "Nat 1 my character just suffered a stroke and doesn't remember what they just looked at"
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If you have a really good GM, they will just do it randomly and you will sometimes never know if they actually had any real reason for it or not. My husband is a master at it.
@@angelaharris53 Yes, that is exactly what we do. 90% of my throws are either totally red herrings or for meaningless things like who spots what kind of animal in the woods for ambiance. However, you mustn't OVERdo it, because otherwise the skin crawl effect on the players wears off rather quickly.
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Better yet, when the DM would ask one of the players to make a perception check, or just have them roll a d20, and then when they roll a low number the DM would just shake their head and say, "Never mind... So what do you do now?" and all the would players panic!
I had a campaign like that. And DM was good but pushed us hard. Everyone was so scared because they were perceiving EVERYTHING and failing. Including me, I saw the DM getting annoyed and I was like " Fork it" and I ran in. Luckily, the was so happy that someone did something. He went easy on me and even gave me cool gear.
Sometimes, part of the fun comes from YOLOing it. Like, you know that doing it is obviously what the DM wants you to do because it's gotta be a trap or something, but you know, throw them a bone here and there, they deserve some fun too 😊
Just like when the DM asks for a perception check, everyone rolls really low, and then the DM just describes the general vicinity, leaving you in fear nd anticipation
I mean, that's why 5e has passive perception, to avoid informing your group that there's something special to be perceived. One of the few things 5e did right.
@@backslash4141 I mean, players shouldn't roll for perception unless they state they're doing something that requires perception. Beyond that, everything is supposed to be passive and rolled in secret.
And this is why the results of passive perception checks (or even that one was being made) weren't revealed unless someone passed traditionally (DM screens aren't for decoration, they're for the DM to quickly reference all they need to know including about your characters and the coin toss of whether they'll release a tarasque this session)
And thus why, if you're a DM that thinks your player are too complacent or taking too long to get on doing stuff, you can just start rolling a few dice and refuse to explain why.
It's just like Baldur's Gate 3 all over again... four party members simultaneously failing perception checks and making us all paranoid about what we missed xD
That's exactly what I was hoping for too haha. The camera just pans around and there's like 8 orcs drinking some beer staring at them like "are these people serious right now?"
Or if there were people there but because they keep failing their perception checks they can't perceive that there are people there. Barkeep making drinks, patrons drinking.
@@TylerZetaI’m picturing the area being used for two quests, with one having it be abandoned, so they are accidentally failing perception checks for the populated bar within the abandoned bar.
This is why as a DM it’s important to occasionally ask your players to do a perception check for a absolutely no reason. Mumble in a concerned manner and then say nothing more. Make sure you’re prepared to make them find something nice in case they get a nat 20 so they don’t catch on.
my fav thing about failed perception checks in BG3 is when you can actually straight up see the traps ahead of you but its just your characters that dont know its there so you cant disarm them 😫
You can disarm the traps even if you don't get the perception check, some traps are hidden and are only revealed when you pass the check so ofc you won't be able to disarm those, but there are a lot of traps that are visible but are very well blended with the environment and are hard to see, you can disable/destroy those.
More than half of the traps can be disarmed even with failed check. I believe the one that can't be disarmed is trapped chests, you need to succeed the check for chests.
Better than BG1 and 2 where it doesn't even tell you and you trip a wall crusher trap that just instantly kills your main and gives you a game over. Man, that game made me paranoid.
I feel like this comes up more in tabletop when it comes to knowledge of monsters. The players know that weird shimmer is a gelatinous cube but you still have to play your characters who may not have heard of them before.
I remember that one basement in BG3 I entered it and immediately got hit with like 30 perception checks. I didn't even have any idea how many perception checks failed just due to the sheer quantity
I am 100% certain that in BG3 there are a few places where they put impossible-to-succeed perception checks just to make you do the "DM, WHY ARE YOU ROLLING?" thing
pretty sure I didn't find any so far. Although I am amazed whenever I fail a perception check and check the rolls, only to find out I rolled 2 critical fails on the character who has 20 wisdom, perception specialization and advantage on perception rolls.
@@Wyzai I’m playing with low charisma character for the first time and never once rolled critical failure on charisma checks. Instead I always roll something that is just one point lower than what I need lol. Almost uninstalled the game couple times
I stole an idea from a DM I had the once of saying to a random player: "Roll a d20 for me." It's a great way of freaking people out with almost no effort. Even if they work out it's for nothing, the next roll might be...
What failed perception? It just look as if you dont miss clue or interactive element in game. So do you mind telling me? I dont play this kind of game but invested to do so
@@unknownman5090 It's basically the DM doing something in the background and asking the players to check to see if anyone caught it happening. So someone sneaky is hiding in the room, or there is an important item that they're walking past, and the DM is basically looking to see if any of the player characters were able to spot it. Of course when done poorly by the DM it rapidly turns the party into a group of paranoid idiots that are stuck panicking over every action because they keep failing the checks the DM requests and have no idea why... or where the boot the DM has clearly set up is going to fall.
@@unknownman5090 So, in tabletop roleplaying games (and in some computer roleplaying games) you can be asked by your Game Master to roll a dice to see if you can... well, see hidden or hard to notice things. And if you fail, then it means your character is none-the-wiser to whatever was hidden. But you, as a player, can surmise that there is likely something hidden there, since you were asked to roll for perception. And this can make players understandably paranoid or feel like they are missing out on something, even though their characters shouldn't be aware of that at all. It's an easy enough problem to fix though, by simply rolling the dice secretly behind the scenes, so that the players aren't aware that they have failed a dice roll, just like their characters.
Ah, BG3 has a lot to answer for. That panic moment when 3 out of 4 people have failed a roll and you only have 1 person left...maybe BG3 needs random DM rolls.
My boyfriend and I were playing together and we all failed the perception check and every camp character failed too and my bf was sooooo frustrated and I stole a painting in the room and there was a button under it and that opened up the secret passage. Kleptomania for the win
This is educational material for SO many players, technically players should never know they failed their perception check, because that’s kinda meta-gaming in itself. 🍻❤️
I agree with you when it comes to perception checks in tabletop games. Perhaps this is also a critique of Baldur’s Gate 3? They definitely called this interaction a “video game.”
@@brodaczszczuroap7329 Or a gm can make players randomly roll perception checks from time to time with no real reason. Just to keep them from metagaming.
I mean, have you never felt a sense of uneasiness (you must have, I mean, the word exists for something, and this is it) it's a literal real life failed perception check, you know something is wrong but not sure about what yet.
Every DnD character I've made has proficiency in Perception in order to avoid scenarios like this. Whether or not I succeed in my checks is another story.
Yuuuup, this is why DMs should roll Perception behind the screen and not tell players anything when they fail. Toss in some bogus dice rolls so they don't cotton on to what you're rolling and keep them on their toes.
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I was half expecting the tavern to actually be completely fine and full of people just looking at them strange while the party couldn't perceive anyone was there and were constantly bumping into NPCs
That would have been a really funny skit actually. I love these guys in general, but I hate when they only have one joke in a skit and just beat it to death for several minutes.
I was hoping it was a smaller version of that were it was just the bar man trying to get there attention and shaking his head all pissed cus he was being ignored.
Baldur's gate felt similar, until I realised every perception check you fail, is because they're 30+ and they're always about an ambush up ahead. So if you fail a 30+, you already know
In Baldur's Gate 3, it's all reversed. As stated, the failed perception check is essentially a very helpful warning. What ends up being far more frustrating is a successful perception check where you hear the notification... but cannot perceive anything anywhere that was enabled or highlighted. At least with a failed check sometimes another character will succeed. With a success, supposedly they all know but you may not have a clue.
@@ChromaticDragon-uv1uo True. I've found myself annoyed saying things like "What the fuck did I successfully perceive goddamnit?" on too many occasions
Honestly this is such a great video! As a student who studies English i was not familiar with the word perception and this is such a great way to remember it for my whole life! i hope you will make more videos like this 🙏
@Sicod79 Yeah, I do wish they would put a cast list in the video description for any guest stars. But she was so good in her last video (the "Falling in Love with an NPC" one).
Thats EXACTLY how a GM can drive players crazy. (roll a dice behind the screen, say "let's see if you notice anything... No, you failed your test, you didn't notice anything..." :D
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I thought the camera would show the rest of the room and it being full of the enemies still there, watching them, while making half-assed attempt at hiding
One of the biggest fears is knowing that you don't know something and you don't know what impact it's going to have or what's going to happen because of it. It leaves you with a lack of control over the situation, which is what makes it so frightful.
when a spy implants a secret detonation device to be able to rip open the villain's veins at any time if he doesn't behave well in the future, and also tells him about it, but there really is no such device because then he would be able to remove it sooner or later while he now has to live with permanently *failing the perception* of where it is.
Despite never having played DnD or the any of the fantasy games that these are based on, I love your work, even if my perception of what is going on is a bit vague.
Tabletop RPGs are a large genre. Things like perception checks are big in superhero systems (Mutants & Masterminds, Crimefighters, the HERO system, etc...) and sci-fi stuff (Paranoia or any of the various Star Wars systems). I don't know much about fantasy aside from reading some Tolkien/Lewis/Sanderson and playing Skyrim, but the jokes from these cover lots of RPG systems. Also, if your perception is a bit vague, your die needs a trip to dice jail.
Long time ago, had a party having issues finding something because I responded after their roll 'you do not find IT' as if there was something to find.
Lol, I kept rolling 2s for perception and investigation checks the other night in our D&D campaign, and I was like the black storm trooper in "Space Balls" saying, "Man, we ain't found shit!" Funny part was I kept rolling critical success on history checks, and on the athletics checks to carry on my shoulder a wizard teammate who was blind and deaf as he scouted using his owl.
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I bet you they kept failing their perception checks because they failed to notice Byron's stack of dirty laundry that Ben, Britt & Rowan left there the other time 😅 (Rowan obviously forgot, cause he canceled his quests 😉)
This is beautiful, I’ve been tormented for some years(until some days ago) from mixed perception as a symptom of rare case in psychology.. it can be called sentimental breakdown, where I used to mix the perceived events with a recurring thoughts behavior which made me lose perception entirely for like five minutes every now and then.
In real life when you know that you failed a perception check while als freaked out about being not knowing what it is that you haven't perceived, that's the very definition of ADHD mixed with anxiety.😂
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This has all the vibes of a DM rolling their dice behind the screen, then telling the players they don't notice anything, even if their is nothing there.
Yeah, it looks like they were intentionally giving her some emphasis with the amount of lines she had and even a focal point shot at the middle of the video when they first started to go behind the bar. Looks like she's being groomed to be another recurring performer. This is good, the channel needs more people showing up beyond the main 3-4, plus from a visual perspective, a petite dark haired woman provides good visual contrast from the others. Great casting choice. While I couldn't tell for sure from such a short video, it appears she also has decent acting skills as well, which should only improve as she does more with them. I recall how Britt was a bit wooden at first years ago (granted they all were at some point), but now Britt is awesome, so hopefully this new woman sees the same improvement.
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It MIGHT be Madeleine Adams again? She did the 'Romancing an NPC' as well as played Yennefer with Rowan as Geralt. For some reason it doesn't quite look like her but maybe it's just a couple year older + costume, etc.
this is why as a DM you need to randomly ask your party to make perception saves and have litterally nothing to percieve even if they win. just go " just making sure you're keeping a lookout". that way you can REALLY surprise them with this stuff
When I'm DMing and I want to keep the tension higher, I always make the party roll fake perception checks or I roll myself dice without reason behind the screen. There's no better way to simulate in the players the tension the characters should be experiencing.
when I fail in bg3 I am like: OH A challene.. unless it it deception check... I reload and I am not proud of that... second run I want to play without being reloading dick and will try to take it raw it will be more fun... first run is... how to say it... "perfectionist dream fantasy " :D
I'm usually the opposite in videogames. On the first playthrough of games I never reload, never look at guides or do any of that. I fail through the game. Then the second playthrough I normally play with the wiki open trying to be the perfect character.
@@arthand7672 well I never look at guides too :D :D :D I just ... firs play throu I reload if I don't like something :D but oh my god ... even in real life I try to use my brain first... in games tought I have this weird linear thinking that I hate? I KNOW I would rid of it if I played more dnd ... but I played it only once even though I LOVED IT also I acctually never use guides... I maybe sometimes encounter "spoilers" (like firs play through is more like I am NOT knowingly (?) searching for anwears on internet but if it falls in my hands I go for it why not) buuuttt nah otherwise... it is fun tough... I only recently when I was dealing with hag second time I discovered that I acctually can make people unconciouse... and if I search after I do the deed because there is still the mistery... I know I should decide on play throu... becase that " chaos doesn't even make sence"
@@arthand7672 BTW spoiler alert If you play as paladin you can resist the hags mask completly you will have to throw.... what was that realigion? or something? rendering the mask harmless... discovered it just by pure luck
I am so glad that I am not alone on this. From the very start I thought that knowing you failed at a perception roll was so very stupid. Telling the player that they failed to perceive something, alerts them to the very thing that they failed to perceive, and thus makes them away of the thing, which is a successful perception of an unknown thing. It is SO dumb.
"Theoretically we haven't failed, because we know we failed, we perceived the failure." Very accurate depiction of what a meta-game reaction is.
That's why DMs "could" randomly throw dice and have the perception values of all their players. So the players never know what the DM is rolling for.
@@Heresor Well, I think this is what passive perception is for in typical TTRPGs. If the players indicate they're looking, they could roll better than their passive perception - but on a failure they still don't 'know' if there was actually something to find. Otherwise the DM just quietly checks against passive perception and reveals things as needed. At no point do you know there was something to find if you failed to pass the check.
But that's difficult to do in a video game as you either just make invisible roles (which some games do) or you trigger automatic roles and tell the players they failed (which does indicate there was something to roll for) or you force the player to constantly make perception rolls manually, which is not terribly fun and could be potentially abused.
It's a tough balance.
Invisible rolls are the best option for that, in my opinion. Even if the players are actively checking objects or rooms for "clues or traps", they shouldn't be told if they succeeded or not, but only provided information. That's why it should always be the DM doing these checks for the players, unless you have good roleplayers who don't use the metainformation of having a high or low roll @@t3hsilarn
@@t3hsilarn I mean its rather simple to implement in games, auto do passive checks, but also allow players to do a active checks, For 3d games have your field of vison be the cast area and do a effect like AC eagles vision. When you enter the mode it rolls perception, locking that roll in on all objects in that area, if you passed they highlight, if not they are locked as a fail, same could be done in 2d games but just have if be in a cone in direction your facing. Make it slow your move speed slightly when you activate it, or stop you from moving while focusing vision and players will not want to use it constantly and only using it when they suspect there is somthing. Or just be ok with moving very slowly. You could also only save the rolls for a set amount of time letting them retry later.
I saw and read this comment for the first time as the silly man on screen said them
they could also add "danger music" and "pile of health potions" that would be a total freakout
The health potions would be hilarious.
Ben-"Rowan, can you spare a health potion"?
Rowan-"I would but I might need them"
Ben-"Ah damn how many do you have? Like 2?"
Rowan- *Mumbles 400*
Ben- 🤨
@@kylelopez7631 Well, he might have a bad day?
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"But it's literally a final boss and you have 99 potions with you..."
Feels like a Bethesda game, Good job !
What does one do with the empty potion bottle?
The fact even as the audience we never find out what they perception check failed on really sells it.
What do you mean I rolled a natural 20 it's clear as day 😀
There are bodies on the floor they don't look hurt by weapons. Open bottle with cork at the bar but no bartender. They might be dead or the culprit. Most likely a poison or deug in the alcohol. I'm guessing some drug was used to knock out the patronages and the next room contains a secret tunnel to transport them for the mindflayer. Or they poisoned and the body's are being used for a ritual in the next room. Rolls for persuasion...
So you did not see the mouse under the counter eating cheese?
yeah, i dont know what happened either...
Sometimes a DM feels like saying roll for perception, and will not reply further other than 'thanks'. :) Even if you succeed, it keeps the metagamers questioning lol
Lol, I love Rowan's sudden adjustment to avoid bumping into the hanging candle.
He perceived it right at the last moment
I need a part 2 where the thing they're not perceiving is just obvious and huge 😂
You mean like, clue notes pinned on the clues board bathing in glowing green light which none of them looked at?
0:56 , that's a video game thing right?
@@hurktang I was thinking more along the lines of like a big monster in the middle of the room or something like that, but thanks for that detail 😊
I was thinking they missed seeing a huge dragon sleeping just in front of them or something like that. Basically, the same thing that you were thinking. lol
yeah, i've just rewatched Friday the 13th and it's literally the vibe when camera shifts and a massive Jason's figure standing there
There is no part 2... cause _they are still there_ !!1
We need a part two to this and find out what the hell they keep on failing.
It's like, just a rabbit
Someone was crouching right in front of them with high sneak
There's no part two. You failed the perception check. At best, they backtrack quietly, at worst, they are hanging upside down.
Well that would obviously be the large group of bandits that is just sitting in the room celebrating their latest heist and utterly baffled by the four armed randos that just walked into their lair as if they owned the place and then suddenly started crying about something to do with "perception".
@@ark_knight technically I meant in the actual real world the part 2 would be taking place
You know next campaign one of them gonna have a passive perception of 25+.
I see everything… can’t unsee it!!!
they should have bring the blindfold elf. he can perceive things that normally cannot be percieved
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@@ArtflPhenix ya, he’ll be… “don’t u see it. It’s so obvious “
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I was hoping that we'd get to see someone sitting at the bar having a drink, trying to talk to the party but the party just keeps failing to notice them
Sounds like a job for Hamish. "Hey! I'm talking to you!"
Right? Just like obvious trap triggers and like a poorly hidden enemy or three but they just fail to see them because perception failure. There's nothing I love more than rolling a nat 1 on perception and just coming up with some absurd OOC nonsense
"Fuck nat 1 my ranger forgets where he is and gets confused about who all these people around him are"
"Nat 1 my dude forgets how to open his eyes for a few minutes"
"Nat 1 my character just suffered a stroke and doesn't remember what they just looked at"
Maybe that guy Brian? Bran? Brain? He tends to be around but kinda tough to perceive.
Byron 😂
@@jasonkara661 That's the guy. Bruce.
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It's becoming more and more common that I get super invested in the skit then it ends with me desperately wanting to know what happens next.
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I hate it to, it takes less work to write a sketch and to edit so they can make more. There older skits had always closure and you could see they put more work in to it
The open end is better and closer to how you feel in BG3 when that happns in game. WHAT!?WHERE?!WHEN!?
Sorry. You failed your perception check so you can't perceive what happens next.
If they hadn't exploded or got injured by then i'm guessing there's a switch or loose floorboard that they're not perceiving.
If they hadn't exploded or got injured by then i'm guessing there's a switch or loose floorboard that they're not perceiving.
“I feel like such a failure and I don’t even know what I failed”
That resonates so much.
That's the video game equivalent of a DM rolling the dice behind the screen, raising and eyebrow and nodding to himself sagely.
If you have a really good GM, they will just do it randomly and you will sometimes never know if they actually had any real reason for it or not. My husband is a master at it.
@@angelaharris53 exactly.
@@angelaharris53 Yes, that is exactly what we do. 90% of my throws are either totally red herrings or for meaningless things like who spots what kind of animal in the woods for ambiance. However, you mustn't OVERdo it, because otherwise the skin crawl effect on the players wears off rather quickly.
@@angelaharris53 Of course you can always bring out a huge dragon and yell "OK, ROLL FOR INITIATIVE!!!!!"😁
I used to do this back when I was DMing, but would also do it randomly without really rolling for something, just to throw people off.
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This brings back so many memories of playing tabletop DnD and having the party obsessively check for traps and hidden doors every three seconds.
10-foot pole didn't work?
Better yet, when the DM would ask one of the players to make a perception check, or just have them roll a d20, and then when they roll a low number the DM would just shake their head and say, "Never mind... So what do you do now?" and all the would players panic!
I do that IRL
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Yeah, the room was full of hidden, crouched assassins.
But we failed to perceive them 😢
@@VivaLaDirtLeague That's what you got for treating perception as your dump stat 😏
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?
I had a campaign like that. And DM was good but pushed us hard. Everyone was so scared because they were perceiving EVERYTHING and failing. Including me, I saw the DM getting annoyed and I was like " Fork it" and I ran in. Luckily, the was so happy that someone did something. He went easy on me and even gave me cool gear.
Leeeeroy Jenkins!
Sometimes, part of the fun comes from YOLOing it. Like, you know that doing it is obviously what the DM wants you to do because it's gotta be a trap or something, but you know, throw them a bone here and there, they deserve some fun too 😊
Just like when the DM asks for a perception check, everyone rolls really low, and then the DM just describes the general vicinity, leaving you in fear nd anticipation
The old DM trick, "It *appears to be* empty", "It *appears to be* safe"...
I mean, that's why 5e has passive perception, to avoid informing your group that there's something special to be perceived. One of the few things 5e did right.
@thomasbecker9676 Oh, I still randomly get my players to roll perception at times, even if there's nothing to spot.
It's very funny.
I know that fear xD it's horrible
@@backslash4141 I mean, players shouldn't roll for perception unless they state they're doing something that requires perception. Beyond that, everything is supposed to be passive and rolled in secret.
2:14 What videos? I failed my perception check.
And this is why the results of passive perception checks (or even that one was being made) weren't revealed unless someone passed traditionally (DM screens aren't for decoration, they're for the DM to quickly reference all they need to know including about your characters and the coin toss of whether they'll release a tarasque this session)
And thus why, if you're a DM that thinks your player are too complacent or taking too long to get on doing stuff, you can just start rolling a few dice and refuse to explain why.
I’m pretty sure this video in particular is making fun of Baldur’s Gate 3, which has failures pop up like this.
It's just like Baldur's Gate 3 all over again... four party members simultaneously failing perception checks and making us all paranoid about what we missed xD
It's literally BG3 icons and perception check failures, not just like ;-)
On the other hand if you fail a survival check there’s only one thing left for you to do - start digging!
What did we fail?!?
@@VivaLaDirtLeaguePerception check.
@@VivaLaDirtLeagueyou failed to perceive the perception failure
I was so HOPING for the camera pan to reveal the most obvious of obvious traps/monsters/treasure waiting on the other side of the room
Ah, but the audience also failed their perception check, so we don't sense anything either.
I figured there were tables full of people watching them like they were idiots for creeping around in a full tavern.
Or maybe its first person camera and we are the thing they failed to perceive
That's exactly what I was hoping for too haha. The camera just pans around and there's like 8 orcs drinking some beer staring at them like "are these people serious right now?"
I like the idea that Rob the barkeeper is Right There behind the bar having a nap, and the party just all suck at perception checks. 😅
Or if there were people there but because they keep failing their perception checks they can't perceive that there are people there. Barkeep making drinks, patrons drinking.
@@TylerZetaI’m picturing the area being used for two quests, with one having it be abandoned, so they are accidentally failing perception checks for the populated bar within the abandoned bar.
to be fair, he was in bat form for some reason. Who would've expected there to be a bat upside down above the tap?
@@Malum95well the bartenders name is Batrick.
@@hiddendesire3076 Is this a bar in a superposition of states? Schroedinger's Tavern? Otherwise idgi😅
This is why as a DM it’s important to occasionally ask your players to do a perception check for a absolutely no reason. Mumble in a concerned manner and then say nothing more.
Make sure you’re prepared to make them find something nice in case they get a nat 20 so they don’t catch on.
Fantastic set! A lot of work went into it and whoever designed and built it deserves a lot of kudos! 👍
my fav thing about failed perception checks in BG3 is when you can actually straight up see the traps ahead of you but its just your characters that dont know its there so you cant disarm them 😫
You can disarm the traps even if you don't get the perception check, some traps are hidden and are only revealed when you pass the check so ofc you won't be able to disarm those, but there are a lot of traps that are visible but are very well blended with the environment and are hard to see, you can disable/destroy those.
More than half of the traps can be disarmed even with failed check. I believe the one that can't be disarmed is trapped chests, you need to succeed the check for chests.
Better than BG1 and 2 where it doesn't even tell you and you trip a wall crusher trap that just instantly kills your main and gives you a game over. Man, that game made me paranoid.
@@SilentAdventurerNumber02 Detroying chests doesnt reduce the loot. You can just blast-disarm them
I feel like this comes up more in tabletop when it comes to knowledge of monsters. The players know that weird shimmer is a gelatinous cube but you still have to play your characters who may not have heard of them before.
And when auto save kicks in, panic attack because shit gets real.
Now I need a Baldur's Gate 3 logic series 🥰
Player *Trespassing*
Guard: HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Player: It wasn't my fault!
Guard: Oh okay. I'll be watching you though.
@@Known_as_The_Ghost Guard: Must have been the wind.
@@natsukage3960 Has anyone seen Rowan? He's playing the guy who needs to eat magical loot or explodes.
I would actually die of joy if they did a Baldur's Gate logic series 😂
I remember that one basement in BG3 I entered it and immediately got hit with like 30 perception checks. I didn't even have any idea how many perception checks failed just due to the sheer quantity
Ohh yes I know the one 😂😂
@@VivaLaDirtLeague given the setting, I really thought that may have even been on purpose. This feels like that one.
Oh my god SO MANY PERCEPTION CHECKS lmao
I want to experience it for the first time again
I am 100% certain that in BG3 there are a few places where they put impossible-to-succeed perception checks just to make you do the "DM, WHY ARE YOU ROLLING?" thing
pretty sure I didn't find any so far. Although I am amazed whenever I fail a perception check and check the rolls, only to find out I rolled 2 critical fails on the character who has 20 wisdom, perception specialization and advantage on perception rolls.
@@Wyzai I’m playing with low charisma character for the first time and never once rolled critical failure on charisma checks. Instead I always roll something that is just one point lower than what I need lol. Almost uninstalled the game couple times
@@Wyzaido you have karmic dice on?
i once failed a perception check and missed a 9 foot giant standing in front of me
"How do we know if we failed at perception if we failed to perceive it?" Out here making metaphors for life are we?
From someone this has happened to, It's true.
Failed perception is some scary shit.
I stole an idea from a DM I had the once of saying to a random player:
"Roll a d20 for me."
It's a great way of freaking people out with almost no effort. Even if they work out it's for nothing, the next roll might be...
What failed perception? It just look as if you dont miss clue or interactive element in game. So do you mind telling me? I dont play this kind of game but invested to do so
@@unknownman5090 It's basically the DM doing something in the background and asking the players to check to see if anyone caught it happening.
So someone sneaky is hiding in the room, or there is an important item that they're walking past, and the DM is basically looking to see if any of the player characters were able to spot it.
Of course when done poorly by the DM it rapidly turns the party into a group of paranoid idiots that are stuck panicking over every action because they keep failing the checks the DM requests and have no idea why... or where the boot the DM has clearly set up is going to fall.
@@unknownman5090 So, in tabletop roleplaying games (and in some computer roleplaying games) you can be asked by your Game Master to roll a dice to see if you can... well, see hidden or hard to notice things. And if you fail, then it means your character is none-the-wiser to whatever was hidden. But you, as a player, can surmise that there is likely something hidden there, since you were asked to roll for perception. And this can make players understandably paranoid or feel like they are missing out on something, even though their characters shouldn't be aware of that at all.
It's an easy enough problem to fix though, by simply rolling the dice secretly behind the scenes, so that the players aren't aware that they have failed a dice roll, just like their characters.
@@unknownman5090 Try BG3 always leading with a minus to perception character.
Ah, BG3 has a lot to answer for. That panic moment when 3 out of 4 people have failed a roll and you only have 1 person left...maybe BG3 needs random DM rolls.
Real panic begins after you went to the camp, switched all companions and still failed all perception checks.
@@afKXzq87lE This, when you're doing a side quest and there's definitely a secret passage somewhere... ugh
Remember if it's a survival check in BG3 you can fail, then just click on your shovel, and you'll dig up the chest anyway.
My boyfriend and I were playing together and we all failed the perception check and every camp character failed too and my bf was sooooo frustrated and I stole a painting in the room and there was a button under it and that opened up the secret passage. Kleptomania for the win
"Right, three out of four of us have failed: Shadowheart, cast guidance on the remaining party member..."
The room was full of Stealth Archers, neutral Stealth Archers who didn't feel the need to announce themselves.
This is educational material for SO many players, technically players should never know they failed their perception check, because that’s kinda meta-gaming in itself. 🍻❤️
I agree with you when it comes to perception checks in tabletop games. Perhaps this is also a critique of Baldur’s Gate 3? They definitely called this interaction a “video game.”
That's why sometimes game master does a quiet perception check
@@brodaczszczuroap7329
Or a gm can make players randomly roll perception checks from time to time with no real reason. Just to keep them from metagaming.
I mean, have you never felt a sense of uneasiness (you must have, I mean, the word exists for something, and this is it) it's a literal real life failed perception check, you know something is wrong but not sure about what yet.
I really expected at the end, when they lost all their hopes, one of them finally succeeds and finds a totally harmless clue.
Freaking love the costumes and the set! You guys are so entertaining love every bit of it!
Never treat perception as a trash stat
So true high perception saved my ass many times and made my life so much easier in Cyberpunk tabletop
Every DnD character I've made has proficiency in Perception in order to avoid scenarios like this. Whether or not I succeed in my checks is another story.
because it's a Skill and not a Stat 🤪
@@THEMrFill depends on a system/game/whatever rules you play by. *fingerguns*
... I don't see why that's important
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Yuuuup, this is why DMs should roll Perception behind the screen and not tell players anything when they fail. Toss in some bogus dice rolls so they don't cotton on to what you're rolling and keep them on their toes.
2:02
"*collectively shitting pants*"
It's the little jokes like these that make me love subtitles even more.
Wow guys! Been watching this channel pretty much since the beginning. It's amazing how far you've come with production quality! Definitely my favorite channel on TH-cam!
I was half expecting the tavern to actually be completely fine and full of people just looking at them strange while the party couldn't perceive anyone was there and were constantly bumping into NPCs
That would have been a really funny skit actually. I love these guys in general, but I hate when they only have one joke in a skit and just beat it to death for several minutes.
I was hoping it was a smaller version of that were it was just the bar man trying to get there attention and shaking his head all pissed cus he was being ignored.
Loving the vibe the real tavern set brought to this skit!
Baldur's gate felt similar, until I realised every perception check you fail, is because they're 30+ and they're always about an ambush up ahead. So if you fail a 30+, you already know
So get ready for something horrible 😂
THIS. This was the first thing I thought of LOL. "FINE. Let me get (members not used)....and...failed again! What the heck!"
so fireball?
In Baldur's Gate 3, it's all reversed. As stated, the failed perception check is essentially a very helpful warning. What ends up being far more frustrating is a successful perception check where you hear the notification... but cannot perceive anything anywhere that was enabled or highlighted. At least with a failed check sometimes another character will succeed. With a success, supposedly they all know but you may not have a clue.
@@ChromaticDragon-uv1uo True. I've found myself annoyed saying things like "What the fuck did I successfully perceive goddamnit?" on too many occasions
Honestly this is such a great video! As a student who studies English i was not familiar with the word perception and this is such a great way to remember it for my whole life! i hope you will make more videos like this 🙏
I'm so jealous of Alan's outfit.
Especially since we've seen him rock it in the office world, too.
Kudos to the costume department.
Me wants it!
So fantastic to see you've got Madeleine to return! She is such an amazing actress. Hope to see more of her in the future!
Thanks, didn't remember her and they don't make it easy to know who is who when not in their main cast or reoccurring.
@Sicod79 Yeah, I do wish they would put a cast list in the video description for any guest stars. But she was so good in her last video (the "Falling in Love with an NPC" one).
@Thagrynor it was trying to romance an NPC, not falling in love
Madeline what?
Madeline Adams (just Googled Viva La Dirt League and Madeline) @@jorgebaezsolis4588
These props are getting so good. Your costumes are amazing!
Rowan having common sense is more scarier to me than a nuclear war
Baldur's gate 3:
The game where you are scared when you know that you don't know something that you should know.
Thats EXACTLY how a GM can drive players crazy. (roll a dice behind the screen, say "let's see if you notice anything... No, you failed your test, you didn't notice anything..." :D
I love that you’re using the bar, absolutely love this set 🧡
Also, we need a follow up video, need to know what you were failing as much as you guys!! 🤣😂
I thought the camera would show the rest of the room and it being full of the enemies still there, watching them, while making half-assed attempt at hiding
One of the biggest fears is knowing that you don't know something and you don't know what impact it's going to have or what's going to happen because of it. It leaves you with a lack of control over the situation, which is what makes it so frightful.
when a spy implants a secret detonation device to be able to rip open the villain's veins at any time if he doesn't behave well in the future, and also tells him about it,
but there really is no such device because then he would be able to remove it sooner or later while he now has to live with permanently *failing the perception* of where it is.
Guys seriously, set design and dressing is outrageously brilliant in this episode!!! Love it!
Meanwhile Byron: Guys... I am talking to you. Guys! Come on!
1:49 Failing without knowing what I failed at is way too relatable.
Especially if you're in a relationship.
Damn y'all making me want to play BG3 again
Despite never having played DnD or the any of the fantasy games that these are based on, I love your work, even if my perception of what is going on is a bit vague.
Tabletop RPGs are a large genre. Things like perception checks are big in superhero systems (Mutants & Masterminds, Crimefighters, the HERO system, etc...) and sci-fi stuff (Paranoia or any of the various Star Wars systems). I don't know much about fantasy aside from reading some Tolkien/Lewis/Sanderson and playing Skyrim, but the jokes from these cover lots of RPG systems.
Also, if your perception is a bit vague, your die needs a trip to dice jail.
A perception failure should just be a failure to perceive. This is just cruelty on the part of the programmers. More please.
Who is this absolutly beautiful new young women in a show?
Brit now has a competitor.
I'm perceiving that this skit wasn't as much about DnD as it was my actual life...
Ahh. It's DND thingy. No wonder I'm clueless.
I got them same vibes
You have a life? Wow! How many experience points do you need for that?
@@mikek0135hahaha
Sorry to hear about your girl cheating on you man.
Now do this where they spot a trap, acknowledge the trap, but continuously walk over it.
"There's a trap there"
"Yeah, I see it too."
"Me too."
"Yep"
*Steps on trap*
*Fireballs come from all four sides of the room*
With a side of walking through Cloud of Daggers.
This game really encapsulates the feeling of anxiety pretty well lol
Why can I imagine a huge pile of dead blood bodies just decomposing In the middle of the room and none of them notice
Long time ago, had a party having issues finding something because I responded after their roll 'you do not find IT' as if there was something to find.
Every PnP Game ever! DM: Make a Perception Check. Also DM: You failed, you detect nothing suspicious. "evil grin forms"
Lol, I kept rolling 2s for perception and investigation checks the other night in our D&D campaign, and I was like the black storm trooper in "Space Balls" saying, "Man, we ain't found shit!"
Funny part was I kept rolling critical success on history checks, and on the athletics checks to carry on my shoulder a wizard teammate who was blind and deaf as he scouted using his owl.
What a gorgeous set!!!
Thanks to our kickstarter backers 😍
that pile of props looks like a dead body lol. My guess is it is a room of corpses they failed to notice
Reminds me of Gauntlet 35 years ago... I still have no idea what "Thor is it!" means.
Please make a longer format show like this. I feel the shorts are just not scratching my VLDL itch enough anymore! 10 min shows would be epic!
It's not quite the same, but they have another channel where they play D&D in the EPIC NPC Man universe. I've been enjoying it a lot!
Spot on representation of what it's like when DM lets players roll the dice😅
That's a sick set you've got there
Kickstarter studio baby 🎉 This is the Tavern set, the Techtown set is also in the studio, and their office skits are also being made in studio’s office spaces
This isn't epic NPC man. This is maybe d&d
2:03 The captions are gold there lmfao, "collectivity shitting pants"
I bet you they kept failing their perception checks because they failed to notice Byron's stack of dirty laundry that Ben, Britt & Rowan left there the other time 😅 (Rowan obviously forgot, cause he canceled his quests 😉)
To be fair, Rowan did fail a perception check to realize he was married.
This is beautiful, I’ve been tormented for some years(until some days ago) from mixed perception as a symptom of rare case in psychology.. it can be called sentimental breakdown, where I used to mix the perceived events with a recurring thoughts behavior which made me lose perception entirely for like five minutes every now and then.
On odds of them all failing that many times are un-perceivable...
In real life when you know that you failed a perception check while als freaked out about being not knowing what it is that you haven't perceived, that's the very definition of ADHD mixed with anxiety.😂
I like the new roster addition, but for some reason it's harder to hear her than other characters. Maybe up her mic? Look forward to more!
Whoever does the captions for VLDL deserves a friggin' award. VLDL really needs to show them some love!
Yeah 02:03 "collectively sh*tting pants" XD
Agreed
@@takuansoho5836 This channel is sprinkled all over with this particular "captioner". I always know its them doing the captions because they really make them come to life like that. I donno how the caption bidness works, but give that person an award.
This has all the vibes of a DM rolling their dice behind the screen, then telling the players they don't notice anything, even if their is nothing there.
"I literally have no idea what you said!" I choked on my breakfast laughing at that line.
Wonderful to see the actress who portrayed Rowan's favorite NPC make a return! Enjoyed the BG3 content guys!
Yeah, it looks like they were intentionally giving her some emphasis with the amount of lines she had and even a focal point shot at the middle of the video when they first started to go behind the bar. Looks like she's being groomed to be another recurring performer. This is good, the channel needs more people showing up beyond the main 3-4, plus from a visual perspective, a petite dark haired woman provides good visual contrast from the others. Great casting choice. While I couldn't tell for sure from such a short video, it appears she also has decent acting skills as well, which should only improve as she does more with them. I recall how Britt was a bit wooden at first years ago (granted they all were at some point), but now Britt is awesome, so hopefully this new woman sees the same improvement.
@@AdamBraggok
ITS HER! I don’t know her name, BUT ITS HER! The woman who played the PERFECT NPC woman, voice was on point, cadence, and plus she’s gorgeous! She’s returned! Oh what a joy.
Madeleine Adams
Any chance we could get credits to show the cast? I love VLDL because you guys are fantastic actors and would like to know what else you do.
Just ask the name of the girl mate.
It MIGHT be Madeleine Adams again? She did the 'Romancing an NPC' as well as played Yennefer with Rowan as Geralt. For some reason it doesn't quite look like her but maybe it's just a couple year older + costume, etc.
Really loved Roman's acting in this! Great job mate, everyone was great this was my favorite skit yet!
this is why as a DM you need to randomly ask your party to make perception saves and have litterally nothing to percieve even if they win. just go " just making sure you're keeping a lookout". that way you can REALLY surprise them with this stuff
When I'm DMing and I want to keep the tension higher, I always make the party roll fake perception checks or I roll myself dice without reason behind the screen. There's no better way to simulate in the players the tension the characters should be experiencing.
when I fail in bg3 I am like: OH A challene.. unless it it deception check... I reload and I am not proud of that... second run I want to play without being reloading dick and will try to take it raw it will be more fun... first run is... how to say it... "perfectionist dream fantasy " :D
I'm usually the opposite in videogames. On the first playthrough of games I never reload, never look at guides or do any of that. I fail through the game. Then the second playthrough I normally play with the wiki open trying to be the perfect character.
@@arthand7672 well I never look at guides too :D :D :D I just ... firs play throu I reload if I don't like something :D but oh my god ... even in real life I try to use my brain first... in games tought I have this weird linear thinking that I hate? I KNOW I would rid of it if I played more dnd ... but I played it only once even though I LOVED IT also I acctually never use guides... I maybe sometimes encounter "spoilers" (like firs play through is more like I am NOT knowingly (?) searching for anwears on internet but if it falls in my hands I go for it why not) buuuttt nah otherwise... it is fun tough... I only recently when I was dealing with hag second time I discovered that I acctually can make people unconciouse... and if I search after I do the deed because there is still the mistery... I know I should decide on play throu... becase that " chaos doesn't even make sence"
@@arthand7672 BTW spoiler alert
If you play as paladin you can resist the hags mask completly you will have to throw.... what was that realigion? or something? rendering the mask harmless... discovered it just by pure luck
Tries to find subscribe button. Fails perception test.
hahaha! 1 No thief in your party! 2, Save reload is your friend!!!
I could have imagined Ben in the corner crunching health potions while his whole team freaks out. "What? I was hungry."
I am so glad that I am not alone on this. From the very start I thought that knowing you failed at a perception roll was so very stupid. Telling the player that they failed to perceive something, alerts them to the very thing that they failed to perceive, and thus makes them away of the thing, which is a successful perception of an unknown thing. It is SO dumb.
Now you know how does it feel when you have anxiety all the time
That's a crazy set just for this skit
This is how I imagine it would feel to have a remembrall in Harry Potter!
*Collectively shitting pants* Damn even the subtitles are comedy gold with you lot!
I fully believe that Rowan would fail every single perception check. He must be a really good actor.