The real beauty here is that both of your alternatives are not that much harder to install than the saddle valve. Plus if you want to undo this, although I cannot think of why, you do not have to repair the pipe. This is a WIN WIN WIN method, thank you.
I’m not going to look through the comments and I don’t care what anyone says. I literally watched this video this morning, bought the parts, and fixed this myself. Proven to work and that’s all that matters to me. Thank you.
@@bossmoves7361 Why would there be a saddle valve? If a person is installing new or repairing. Humm I guess I understand why you haven't had an answer in three months. Not trying to be mean jes saying.
Thank God for you and for your video, I'm not in the business of remodeling but I was trying to hookup a water supply line for the fridge but didn't like the idea of using a saddle valve. I was beginning to think that I was crazy for not trusting the saddle valve, until I saw your video gave me some great reason not to use them.
You saved me alot of trouble with this tip. My house was built in 1970. The previous owner did no renovations. I had the copper line for ice maker that snapped. I installed this and used a braided line to run from under the kitchen sink to the fridge. Now I have ice and water from my fridge. 😁
As a chemistry teacher who is attempting installing a water line to the fridge, I appreciate the real-life chemistry you've included in your explanation of why not to use a saddle valve! Great visual as well.
Dude, great video. I loved it!!! I am getting a new refridge and my house is old. I know I want an icemaker and this dual valve just saved me hundreds, yes hundreds. The ice-maker kit was over 100.00 and I can install this valve. Hopefully I have a cooper pipe sticking under the sink but not sure. House is over 50 years old.
Without a doubt, this is a very professionally done video. Clear, concise, accurate information is what I was looking for, and this, sir, certainly fit the bill. I was hesitant to remove and old SV (on the copper pipe under the kitchen sink, but currently not in use) but now I want to remove that old ticking time bomb asap. I know about shark bite, and I've used them with success, but the "Rolls-Royce" dual cut-off valve looks like the way to go to me, for my particular job (very limited space). Thank you so much for your time and talent. Stay safe!
THANK YOU!!! I have had the illegal contraption in my junk drawer for years. I have been scared to install it because I did not feel it was safe. I am so happy I came across this video before our new frig install. Great video.
I do HVAC and those are similar yo piercing valves which are temporary. Any plumber should never argue wuth what you said as the first thungs I learned when dealing with water cooled equipment is being very careful with dissimilar metals on piping amd if you have to using dielectric fittings to prevent as much corrosion as possible. Saddle valves are temp valves or where a leak wont matter. Great video!
Excellent Video,well explained and i highly recommend these instructions. Saved me a $90.00 charge. i got my valve alternative fix by watching and following this video.Thank you.
Thanks so much for this post. I was thinking of how I was going to sweat in a new shutoff, etc and hated the idea of those lousy saddle valves to run my new fridge water line. The adapter is such a simple solution. The dual valve even better. Didn't know either were available! Your point of how temporary solutions become permanent is pure gold and so true 😉
THANK YOU! I am a notorious DIYer, my husband and I are very handy and I cannot justify a plumber for something like this (and to be honest most plumbers won’t come out for something this basic). I knew saddle valve was not great but the second you said “so think about chemistry” I was like YIKES okay what’s the alternative! Returning my saddle valve and going to get the adapter you first showed. I can handle that! Easier than saddle valve!
Just finished… took me 30 minutes including having to route the line through the cabinets in a nice hidden way and checking for leaks. Thank you so so much!!
Would love to see an alternative technique which replicates the typical scenario where a saddle valve is used such as on an existing pipe running in the basement without the convenience of the end of a pipe as demonstrated in these two alternatives. I would like to replace the saddle valves the previous owner used for bother the furnace humidifier and the water dispenser but those are taps off of the cold water pipe on on both sides of the water heater pipe. nether of these "end" fittings work for this common scenario.
Check out here on YT Big Guy DIY “how to add an ice line”. He shows how to use a tee fitting that’s (if your pipe is actually 1/2” and check for if it’s (OD) outer diameter or (ID) inner diameter to be sure you find the right fitting but he used a shark bite tee fitting 1/2”x1/2”x1/4”. Be sure to have the right copper pipe cutter meant for a range of pipe sizes (found at Home Depot or any hardware store) and you’ll measure on the shark it’s connector how much to cut off your copper pipe. It’s much easier if you head to his channel and watch the detailed step by steps that he does for himself. You’ll have to remove the saddle or cut that part off but it’s much easier than soldering and I’m sure less headache. I did see that you need to check what kind of copper pipe it is: (ASTM B88) for this shark bite fitting
Just found a severely corroded saddle valve on my hot water heater pipe. Rubber was compressed and hard and cracked. Had to hacksaw the bolts, never again. Good info, Thanks!
Excellent presentation and once again 100% correct. That second valve is the cat's meow, their coming up with some pretty cool stuff these days. You could almost give a demo on the 5 in one wrenches, I might have to get on the tools again just so I use one. Cheers. Illinois Plumbing Code: No pipe or fitting of the water supply system shall be drilled or tapped nor 2391 shall any band or saddle be used International Plumbing code: 605.9 Prohibited joints and connections. The following types of joints and connections shall be prohibited:4. Saddle-type fittings U.P.C.: pretty much the same, oh there is one thing most codes have a provision that if you do anything to contravene the code it turns into a punishable offense, and no legitimately licenced plumber would risk his license to put in on of those self piercing valves, those are usually good for the scrap bucket.
The very first video I saw on running a ice line was for the saddle valve then I came across your video I’m so glad I didn’t stop at the saddle valve video these seem much easier and I don’t have to climb under my house thank you
Excellent video. I do RV plumbing which is mostly PEX. These saddle valves are garbage on them too. It ovals the tubing, then as they age, the rubber saddle seal hardens. When I come in to do a little plumbing, brush up against or disturb it in some way, it often begins leaking!
Thanks for that info on the PEX because I haven't used PEX yet and so I always figured well maybe it would not be as harmful on PEX as it would be on Copper where it would corrode on the metal pipes. Now I see what you were saying how the oval distortion could cause problems and I never even thought about the drying rubber.
Thank you for posting these. I have two saddle valves that have been in for over 10 years and I don't have any real problems, but I don't love them or anything. I've always wanted some alternative and I would have never, ever guessed that option #1 was available. Makes me wonder why they don't just include those with the kits instead of the saddle valves. Sure would have been a lot cleaner, and you can turn off the cold or hot (for the dishwasher) water with the regular turn off for the sink.
I appreciate you making this video! I bought a new fridge and dishwasher, and going to hook everything up there was a saddle valve installed. I went out and bought the duel valve 1/4 and 3/8 will be perfect because my dishwasher and fridge are on the same side of kitchen on their own water line! So perfect love it! Thanks
Wait you're not thinking of using the 3/8 for the dishwasher and the 1/4 for the icemaker off the same line are you? Icemaker should be off of the cold water line, while the dishwasher should be off of the hot.
@@buckyswider1 I did quite a bit of research about which water line to use for the ice maker. And it really comes down to personal choice. Also my ice water line has been on the hot before I bought the 🏠!
@@joshuaknights30 Interesting! A quick google reveals quite a controversy on this subject, with some asserting that the hot water is 'cleaner', others saying it's 'dirtier', and some saying it makes zero difference. And I guess my assumption was that lots of fridges these days have water dispensers. Def don't want hot water running to that!!! But I guess as far as temp goes, it makes no difference for ice only- by the time you consume that 'water', it will be plenty cold!!
Very helpful. Thank you. In the end, this (adapter method) turned out to be the most sensible way to connect our new fridge to a water source. Glad to have avoided the saddle valve; in our previous house there we 5 'orphaned' saddle valves beneath the kitchen from previous owners.
Thank you! I am a handyman and never liked the idea of a saddle valve whether it's code or not. It just didn't make sense to me to make a permanent hole in a pipe. Using the valve adaptor is a way better solution!
I just recently removed one of these after watching this video. It may have been 30+ years old, but I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to shut it off because it was stuck open. After it was off, I found that the piercing pin did break off so I was glad it’s now gone. I used a 1/2” compression inlet with 1/4” output valve along with a soldered tee fitting.
Was about to use one of these today the i thought of how trashy this contraption is and threw it in the trash....im glad i did and thank you for the video
You are eloquent. Your #2 solution is elegant. Thanks for your former video on 4 fixtures never to use & this high utility video on the legal options for 1st time connections of ice maker line to a cold water line.
Thank- you, Thank YOU, THANK YOU!!!! I’m installing a water line to the refrigerator today & just didn’t feel good about the “IV line” procedure puncturing a copper tube (I’m a doctor). The potential complications are tremendous. Kinda like placing an intraosseous line in the tibia. You want to do it right the first time but are wrought with problems if not done correctly.
My question was if it’s against building code why do big stores sell the kit? You answered my question!! We bought a new refrigerator that has ice maker so I bought the install kit from Lowe’s prior to installing I came across you video and I am glad I did!!! Thank you so much, the fitting I decided to go with was much easier to install plus it is legal...great video, keep them coming!! New subscriber here!
Imo the haters are mostly plumbers being pissed about regular people being able to watch how to videos like this, lowering their demand for simple jobs. Not just plumbers. At first I also would be annoyed if I were a plumber but instead of wasting time complaining I'd ridirect that time and energy to start thinking of new creative ways to create more demand for my services. Like creative cross marketing. But that's just me and my opinion. Nothing wrong with people having opinions. Great video!
There are still plenty of repairs that plumbers can do which homeowners cannot do they will always have plenty of business believe me and a leak in the middle of the light at the end of the day or on a holiday weekend, and most people are panicked and don't have the time to learn or figure out what tools they need to go by they know it's going to be cheaper to just get the plumber
Well i bought tge saddle valve kit at menards. Saw some videos with people not likeing but 🤷♂️ eh i wasn't convinced. But after Your actually visual example though.... im out of 10$ i guess. Back to the hardware store, you sold me on the second hook up lol. Thank you for the video
I wish you would demonstrate actually switching out a saddle valve that is in the center of one long copper pipe rather than an easy end fitting scenario, I appreciate this video and your efforts very much I just know mine and many others are saddled in a place that requires removing of the saddle and cutting or soldering on tee fittings
Great vídeo as usual! The ice maker hook ups are problems. I was using the plastic tubing ten years no problem . New fridge 8 months in got a pinhole behind the wall👎🏼! Stainless steel hose and a brass cutoff for me😃 Greetings from NYC👍🏼🗽
I bought a kit from Home Depot that came with a saddle valve, and upon reading instructions I said “hell the F no”. Amazing that HD would sell something that seems so obviously terrible. Glad to see in this video my instincts were right.
Great video. I’m dealing with a corroded saddle valve right now put on right above an Hvac duct. Impossible to get to without major effort. These are definitely not the way to add a water line. Thanks for showing the alternative solutions
Thank you- I just learned something new. I have been using Saddle valves for over 20 years to ONLY drain pipes that supplies water to outdoor faucets. Am I in violation of the NYS code?
I don't know if the code covers outside or not it's just that when I see it in the code and it says what is not allowed and it's a saddle type fittings that to me since we shouldn't be using them at all
Great thorough video and explanations. What do you suggest to replace a saddle valve that is coming off of my hot water heater to the house humidifier? Maybe you could do a video on it?
I can appreciate a lot about this video and I agree with you entirely Jeff. It would be helpful, however, to have instructions for lay individuals on how to replace these awful existing saddle valves. The reason(s) that so many of these crappy valves remain in properties is because of the plumbing work which is involved to install a proper valve. Most homeowners are too unsure of themselves (me included) to cut/sweat a 'T' for the installation of a proper valve. Jeff....howsabout a video for that?
I'm glad I watched this. I was just about to install one. Seems like an easy fix though.. add another piece of rubber on the underside, plus galvanized or brass screws, no?
I have a humidifier that was hook up with one of these to my water heater pipe and it leaked so I’ve shut it down and not used it for years. Just ran into your video thanks for info.
Just moved to Florida, new fridge coming in two days. Up north, everyone seemed to have a saddle valve, and one by one they ended up with problems. Your solutions are so easy, and not being a plumber, had no idea they existed. Thank you, I subscribed and will check out your other videos.
Good video, but I do have one question. What if a home owner finds they have a saddle valve and wants to remove and replace it the correct way? Most homeowners can figure out what to do if they have a nice clean piece of copper to work with. In many cases though they can remove the valve which leaves a hole of course, and it doesn't leave enough room to cut that piece off and start new. So now what? What viable saddle valve repair/replacement options should someone look for?
Awesome video! I don't have a saddle valve coming off my hot water heater, but I need to add a second ice maker line. I currently have a Sharkbite shutoff valve for the ice maker. Do they make a dual valve for 2 icemakers? Thanks.
Just what I needed to see! One question tho, if I add the part under my kitchen sink, how do I repair the saddle valve? Will I, should I get a plumber for this job? Saddle valve located in the basement above a cabinet, hard to reach/repair.
I would cut off water to the house, drain that line as much as possible, and cut through that pipe where the saddle valve was and put a copper pipe coupling there, that pin hole needs to be removed.
Here is where I am. 13 years ago I bought a refrigerator at Lowes. My house is on a crawl space and the refrigerator installer placed a saddle valve just inside the crawlspace door. He did not place the saddle valve on the main supply line but on an adjacent connecting line. Last month I replaced the refrigerator. The existing saddle valve was completely rusted. Yours truly removed it and replaced it with a new saddle valve plus a 20 ft braded supply line just like the one in your video. If I had the patience to do it, it would take a 1/2 hour to fill a glass of water and ice production is pathetic. So, what is my best solution? Ideally, I prefer to remove the saddle valve and solder in a new copper T connection. 1. What should I do about the hole created by the saddle valve? Shouldn't the new T connection be installed on the main supply line? I have no plumbing skills but my daughter says my son-in-law can solder copper pipe.
Remove saddle valve, cut the pipe, solder on a T-fitting, then solder a small pipe onto the T-fitting, then install a compression fit 1/4 turn ball valve with a 1/4" output ice maker line is smaller.
Jeff, I just got a new fridge delivered and when they were removing the old one I noticed a copper supply line was connected. I checked under my sink and noticed there was a saddle valve which I am unsure if it works or not. Prior to this, I was already considering installing the valve adapter solution you described. My question to you is, what is the best way for me to proceed? Should I leave the saddle in place, make sure it's fully closed and go the valve adapter route?
Question.. What to do if there's a need for third connection? I have a filtered water system, ice maker line and a faucet that need to be connected. Would it be feasible to use both the 1st and 2nd options? Great video, and even better information!! Spend a little more for peace of mind in the long run.
Could you please instruct what to do if a saddle valve has already been installed for an ice maker? I understand there is a hole from the saddle valve in the pipe now,. Please instruct how to remedy the situation & use one of your methods. Thanks!
Yes I can, you have to cut that section of copper pipe out where the hole is, and I would solder in a copper T fitting, and solder in a small 3-4" pipe length, so that you can add the correct 1/4 turn ball compression valve right there where you T'd off of the water pipe.
@@jeffostroff Thanks for your response. That sounds too complicated for us to do ourselves, as we don't solder. Are we stuck with the saddle valve and really low pressure in our fridge water dispenser if we opt not to use a plumber? And if we got a plumber to do it your way, how much would it cost?
Welp, our previously installed saddle valve is corroded and leaking. Just need a video of how to replace these properly. If you have a video, that would be awesome!
The saddle valve is on the cold water supply which means its much cooler than the moist air surrounding it. This is a good source of condensation for electrolysis.
I think there is a very simple Solution for installing saddle valve, in this video I notice at the top of the saddle valve with rubber looks ok, solution is just put a same rubber at the buttom of the saddle valve to the pipe 😁
Thank you sir. Saddle valves are a lazy and flawed solution. Years ago, I installed a saddle valve that was included with a reverse osmosis water system. Started leaking immediately, which I can see now was probably the best thing that could have happened. Had to replace the pipe that now had a hole in it of course, and went to a valve that had two outlets: 3/8 and 1/4 inch. Problem solved.
As a very basic DIY attempter, I loathe using these. But I have used one recently. Thankfully(or not) my mothers under-sink plumbing needs to be reworked due to poor quality work done in the past by a professional plumber. She just bought a fridge with an ice maker and was hoping to hook it up soon. I went ahead and used the saddle clamp, because we are going to get the plumbing reworked under the sink anyway. At least I was able to place it above a soldered joint so that only a small section would need replaced in the event of a failure. Placing these in a visible, easy access is highly advised. Don't clamp it in some out of the way nook or under your floor.
Jeff, Sioux Chief has a fitting called an "Add-A-Line" (part 601-G20CV) for those interested in just replacing their old saddle fitting. A bit more complicated than what you have shown, but not all fridge lines can be run from under the sink. Even if you could, you'd still have to do something with the old valve or it's still gonna sit there and continue to corrode. Sioux Chief product is simple that it has a compression fitting on each end for your main run with a 1/4" side tap for the fridge hose. All you need to do is turn off water, remover old valve, clean off about an inch of pipe on both sides of the old hole in pipe cut out a small section of the copper line where saddle valve used to be, install this new fitting where you just made the cut and then install fridge line. Easy, peasy and very professional. Just a thought. GREAT video and oh so true!
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I can’t seem to find the dual stop adapter anywhere online. This looks like a fantastic solution! Do you happen to have a link to the part, or could you possibly tell me how to search for it? Thank you.
Thanks for a great videa and advice Jeff. However I have a saddle valve in the basement, and the ice line goes up from there. I am not sure how to connect to the that pipe and have a connection to the ice line. Also, how do you plug a hole in a pipe after removing a saddle valve?
You don't plug a hole in a pipe after removing the saddle valve. You cut away the section of pipe or the saddle valve was and you insert a copper tea fitting and make a little stub out of copper pipe which you can then attach a water shutoff valve too
@@jeffostroff I'm not understanding. Is there soldering involved? I was thinking about using something called a shark-bite, but don't think I should be bending the copper line to insert a SharkBite cuz it could break a connection on it at one of the ends of the copper line.. Can you help a little on this? Thanks. Great video and I subscribed.
These are a much safer and more watertight method than a saddle valve. Ask yourself......if you were in a submarine a few hundred feet underwater would you feel happy if you looked up at the piping and saw A SADDLE VALVE.........? 🤔Or would you feel safer with correct pressure tested adaptor.......OK an extreme example.........but if an SV blows above a ceiling or in an attic thats gonna cost $$$$$’s.........WORK SAFE guys. The only place for saddle valves......😩.....throw them in the dumpster! I was an Armed Forces engineer for over 45 years.......I recommend this channel👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I am replacing a refrigerator that has been in use for 14 yrs. The saddle valve is installed to the copper pipe which is located on the lower level, with the ice maker water line fed thru the floor behind the refrigerator. This has not been a problem, but the dealer has told me I need a shut off directly behind the refrigerator. What kind of valve do I need to install to replace the saddle valve?
Enjoyed the video just curious what do you do with the saddle valve that's already there. My saddle valve is located under the cold water shut off? will it leak since the pipe has a hole in it. Sorry if the questions seem dumb maybe I missed something
How would you go about stopping/plugging the end? I recently got a new fridge and had to move the location bc of size; now my copper line has a constant drip. Trying to think of a good way to plug it. Doesn’t have a valve on it; saddle right at the water heater
Somebody has to crawl under there and get to it. Basically what they do is cut the copper pipe, and then they saw her on AT adapterAnd then they could put their copper stuff out on the tea adapter for which they can put the valve at the end. I am going to do a video on this very soon
@jeffostroff I'd like to see that. I have the saddle valve on a copper pipe myself. I have to get it capped or my fridge install won't be done. Too many other things under the sink to be so simple: RO system, garbage disposal - going to get a handyman.
i was just about to put one in for an inline air humidifier, but it... seemed chintzy to me, had a weird feeling about it. glad to know my intuitions still pretty good. i like that dual saddle valve. it solves all the problems, and honestly.. 40 bucks for a part that has independent control and no weird metal ... something something chemisty two metals rust blah blah im a tile installer and idk. regardless, 40 bucks even for piece of mind. fuckit. im going to get one.
The real beauty here is that both of your alternatives are not that much harder to install than the saddle valve. Plus if you want to undo this, although I cannot think of why, you do not have to repair the pipe. This is a WIN WIN WIN method, thank you.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
I’m not going to look through the comments and I don’t care what anyone says. I literally watched this video this morning, bought the parts, and fixed this myself. Proven to work and that’s all that matters to me. Thank you.
Well said glad you were able to get it done Julio!
Did you have to remove the saddle valve first
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Why would there be a saddle valve? If a person is installing new or repairing. Humm I guess I understand why you haven't had an answer in three months. Not trying to be mean jes saying.
The pin valve is the lazy and risky way to do it. Shamful
Did yiu have a pin valve? What did you do about that?
For a plumbing channel, this is amazing camera work
Thank God for you and for your video, I'm not in the business of remodeling but I was trying to hookup a water supply line for the fridge but didn't like the idea of using a saddle valve. I was beginning to think that I was crazy for not trusting the saddle valve, until I saw your video gave me some great reason not to use them.
Awesome Andrew glad to help
You saved me alot of trouble with this tip. My house was built in 1970. The previous owner did no renovations. I had the copper line for ice maker that snapped. I installed this and used a braided line to run from under the kitchen sink to the fridge. Now I have ice and water from my fridge. 😁
awesome, thanks for sharing
@@jeffostroff I still have the saddle valve but it's shut. How do I remove it if I choose to without any issues? Any videos?
As a chemistry teacher who is attempting installing a water line to the fridge, I appreciate the real-life chemistry you've included in your explanation of why not to use a saddle valve! Great visual as well.
Glad to help!
One question I have about that is the 2 alternatives are made out of brass also... aren't they?
I was wondering this also. Evidently he didn't see your question.
Dude, great video. I loved it!!! I am getting a new refridge and my house is old. I know I want an icemaker and this dual valve just saved me hundreds, yes hundreds. The ice-maker kit was over 100.00 and I can install this valve. Hopefully I have a cooper pipe sticking under the sink but not sure. House is over 50 years old.
Plumber here. Good and informative, appreciate your accurate advice laid out well for everyone to understand. Trust him 👍🏼
Thanks 👍 Jose!
Without a doubt, this is a very professionally done video. Clear, concise, accurate information is what I was looking for, and this, sir, certainly fit the bill. I was hesitant to remove and old SV (on the copper pipe under the kitchen sink, but currently not in use) but now I want to remove that old ticking time bomb asap. I know about shark bite, and I've used them with success, but the "Rolls-Royce" dual cut-off valve looks like the way to go to me, for my particular job (very limited space). Thank you so much for your time and talent. Stay safe!
THANK YOU!!! I have had the illegal contraption in my junk drawer for years. I have been scared to install it because I did not feel it was safe. I am so happy I came across this video before our new frig install. Great video.
I do HVAC and those are similar yo piercing valves which are temporary. Any plumber should never argue wuth what you said as the first thungs I learned when dealing with water cooled equipment is being very careful with dissimilar metals on piping amd if you have to using dielectric fittings to prevent as much corrosion as possible. Saddle valves are temp valves or where a leak wont matter. Great video!
Excellent Video,well explained and i highly recommend these instructions. Saved me a $90.00 charge. i got my valve alternative fix by watching and following this video.Thank you.
Awesome, glad to help!
Building inspector here, Jeff is 100% correct about saddle valves and their use.
Good to have confirmation
Awesome advice. Bought the preferred solution for my cofee maker. Thank you man! Pro quality advice.
Glad it helped!
Thanks so much for this post. I was thinking of how I was going to sweat in a new shutoff, etc and hated the idea of those lousy saddle valves to run my new fridge water line. The adapter is such a simple solution. The dual valve even better. Didn't know either were available!
Your point of how temporary solutions become permanent is pure gold and so true 😉
Glad it was helpful!
Without you I would be putting a hole in my copper pipe. You saved me time, headache and money 👍🏾. Thanks a billion
Glad I could help
I put a saddle valve on my pipe 40 years it still working okay
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This video deserves WAY more likes!
Thanks Pete!
THANK YOU! I am a notorious DIYer, my husband and I are very handy and I cannot justify a plumber for something like this (and to be honest most plumbers won’t come out for something this basic). I knew saddle valve was not great but the second you said “so think about chemistry” I was like YIKES okay what’s the alternative! Returning my saddle valve and going to get the adapter you first showed. I can handle that! Easier than saddle valve!
Just finished… took me 30 minutes including having to route the line through the cabinets in a nice hidden way and checking for leaks. Thank you so so much!!
Would love to see an alternative technique which replicates the typical scenario where a saddle valve is used such as on an existing pipe running in the basement without the convenience of the end of a pipe as demonstrated in these two alternatives. I would like to replace the saddle valves the previous owner used for bother the furnace humidifier and the water dispenser but those are taps off of the cold water pipe on on both sides of the water heater pipe. nether of these "end" fittings work for this common scenario.
Yes, I am chomping at the bit for this also, I might have to make up a mock scenario on this!
Can’t you make a T in the pipe and put an end fitting on the end of the T?
PPP pop pop up on my own but it 😊😊
Check out here on YT Big Guy DIY “how to add an ice line”. He shows how to use a tee fitting that’s (if your pipe is actually 1/2” and check for if it’s (OD) outer diameter or (ID) inner diameter to be sure you find the right fitting but he used a shark bite tee fitting 1/2”x1/2”x1/4”. Be sure to have the right copper pipe cutter meant for a range of pipe sizes (found at Home Depot or any hardware store) and you’ll measure on the shark it’s connector how much to cut off your copper pipe. It’s much easier if you head to his channel and watch the detailed step by steps that he does for himself. You’ll have to remove the saddle or cut that part off but it’s much easier than soldering and I’m sure less headache. I did see that you need to check what kind of copper pipe it is: (ASTM B88) for this shark bite fitting
They sell a Tee Shark Bite valve that has a 1/4" male to screw your icemaker line to. It's a little pricey ($27) but worth it when in a pinch
I 1000% agree with this guy, leaving now to go to the hardware store to get this valve so I can change the junk T valve I just installed. Thanks
Right on Hugh!
Just found a severely corroded saddle valve on my hot water heater pipe. Rubber was compressed and hard and cracked. Had to hacksaw the bolts, never again. Good info, Thanks!
Sorry to hear that
Excellent presentation and once again 100% correct. That second valve is the cat's meow, their coming up with some pretty cool stuff these days. You could almost give a demo on the 5 in one wrenches, I might have to get on the tools again just so I use one. Cheers.
Illinois Plumbing Code: No pipe or fitting of the water supply system shall be drilled or tapped nor
2391 shall any band or saddle be used
International Plumbing code: 605.9 Prohibited joints and connections. The following
types of joints and connections shall be prohibited:4. Saddle-type fittings
U.P.C.: pretty much the same, oh there is one thing most codes have a provision that if you do anything to contravene the code it turns into a punishable offense, and no legitimately licenced plumber would risk his license to put in on of those self piercing valves, those are usually good for the scrap bucket.
Yes we plan on doing a video for the Ridgid One Stop Wrench
The very first video I saw on running a ice line was for the saddle valve then I came across your video I’m so glad I didn’t stop at the saddle valve video these seem much easier and I don’t have to climb under my house thank you
Glad I could help!
Thanks great advise. Just finished the hookup with the first piece u mentioned. 2 minutes, just make sure your hoses are nicely tighten 👌.
Excellent video. I do RV plumbing which is mostly PEX. These saddle valves are garbage on them too. It ovals the tubing, then as they age, the rubber saddle seal hardens. When I come in to do a little plumbing, brush up against or disturb it in some way, it often begins leaking!
Thanks for that info on the PEX because I haven't used PEX yet and so I always figured well maybe it would not be as harmful on PEX as it would be on Copper where it would corrode on the metal pipes. Now I see what you were saying how the oval distortion could cause problems and I never even thought about the drying rubber.
Thank you for posting these. I have two saddle valves that have been in for over 10 years and I don't have any real problems, but I don't love them or anything. I've always wanted some alternative and I would have never, ever guessed that option #1 was available. Makes me wonder why they don't just include those with the kits instead of the saddle valves. Sure would have been a lot cleaner, and you can turn off the cold or hot (for the dishwasher) water with the regular turn off for the sink.
I was going to use one on pex and never were told they were bad. Thanks for the great video
I'm sure these would be bad on Pex too.
I appreciate you making this video! I bought a new fridge and dishwasher, and going to hook everything up there was a saddle valve installed. I went out and bought the duel valve 1/4 and 3/8 will be perfect because my dishwasher and fridge are on the same side of kitchen on their own water line! So perfect love it! Thanks
Awesome Joshua, you did it right! This is the Way!
Wait you're not thinking of using the 3/8 for the dishwasher and the 1/4 for the icemaker off the same line are you? Icemaker should be off of the cold water line, while the dishwasher should be off of the hot.
@@buckyswider1 I did quite a bit of research about which water line to use for the ice maker. And it really comes down to personal choice. Also my ice water line has been on the hot before I bought the 🏠!
@@joshuaknights30 Interesting! A quick google reveals quite a controversy on this subject, with some asserting that the hot water is 'cleaner', others saying it's 'dirtier', and some saying it makes zero difference. And I guess my assumption was that lots of fridges these days have water dispensers. Def don't want hot water running to that!!! But I guess as far as temp goes, it makes no difference for ice only- by the time you consume that 'water', it will be plenty cold!!
Very helpful. Thank you. In the end, this (adapter method) turned out to be the most sensible way to connect our new fridge to a water source. Glad to have avoided the saddle valve; in our previous house there we 5 'orphaned' saddle valves beneath the kitchen from previous owners.
Wow, 5 saddle valves showed someone clearly had no clue. Surprised it did not leak.
man, these valve methods are WAAAY better! i like the second one for dual valves
Got rid of my saddle valve and went with option 2 (dual stop) - easy peasy to install after cutting the copper pipe in the kitchen sink..
That's how you do it
Thank you! I am a handyman and never liked the idea of a saddle valve whether it's code or not. It just didn't make sense to me to make a permanent hole in a pipe. Using the valve adaptor is a way better solution!
I just recently removed one of these after watching this video. It may have been 30+ years old, but I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to shut it off because it was stuck open. After it was off, I found that the piercing pin did break off so I was glad it’s now gone. I used a 1/2” compression inlet with 1/4” output valve along with a soldered tee fitting.
That's how you do it bro! I think you dodged a future bullet there.
Was about to use one of these today the i thought of how trashy this contraption is and threw it in the trash....im glad i did and thank you for the video
Thanks so much Jeff, I was just about to attempt the saddle being a new homeowner and this covers all the issues I thought about! Confirmed my doubts
Glad to help!
You are eloquent. Your #2 solution is elegant. Thanks for your former video on 4 fixtures never to use & this high utility video on the legal options for 1st time connections of ice maker line to a cold water line.
Glad it was helpful!
So Jeff, I'm convinced! Now, how do I remove my in-line saddle valve and repair the copper pipe that now has a hole in it?
Thank- you, Thank YOU, THANK YOU!!!! I’m installing a water line to the refrigerator today & just didn’t feel good about the “IV line” procedure puncturing a copper tube (I’m a doctor). The potential complications are tremendous. Kinda like placing an intraosseous line in the tibia. You want to do it right the first time but are wrought with problems if not done correctly.
Glad we got you in time Caleb
Wow amazingly presented information (especially the sizes since homeowners rarely know everything)!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
My question was if it’s against building code why do big stores sell the kit? You answered my question!! We bought a new refrigerator that has ice maker so I bought the install kit from Lowe’s prior to installing I came across you video and I am glad I did!!! Thank you so much, the fitting I decided to go with was much easier to install plus it is legal...great video, keep them coming!! New subscriber here!
Stores don't know, don't care, it comes from the manufacturer that way and that's how they sell it.
Imo the haters are mostly plumbers being pissed about regular people being able to watch how to videos like this, lowering their demand for simple jobs. Not just plumbers. At first I also would be annoyed if I were a plumber but instead of wasting time complaining I'd ridirect that time and energy to start thinking of new creative ways to create more demand for my services. Like creative cross marketing. But that's just me and my opinion. Nothing wrong with people having opinions. Great video!
There are still plenty of repairs that plumbers can do which homeowners cannot do they will always have plenty of business believe me and a leak in the middle of the light at the end of the day or on a holiday weekend, and most people are panicked and don't have the time to learn or figure out what tools they need to go by they know it's going to be cheaper to just get the plumber
Video quality is Next gen. Love that you film at 4k 60fps. Great colour grading too.
Well i bought tge saddle valve kit at menards. Saw some videos with people not likeing but 🤷♂️ eh i wasn't convinced. But after Your actually visual example though.... im out of 10$ i guess. Back to the hardware store, you sold me on the second hook up lol. Thank you for the video
Awesome, glad to help
I wish you would demonstrate actually switching out a saddle valve that is in the center of one long copper pipe rather than an easy end fitting scenario, I appreciate this video and your efforts very much I just know mine and many others are saddled in a place that requires removing of the saddle and cutting or soldering on tee fittings
I plan on doing a video for this
Great vídeo as usual! The ice maker hook ups are problems. I was using the plastic tubing ten years no problem . New fridge 8 months in got a pinhole behind the wall👎🏼! Stainless steel hose and a brass cutoff for me😃 Greetings from NYC👍🏼🗽
Yes, I only use those stainless hoses now, nothing else will do.
Man I'm glad I saw this video I just bought myself the saddle version and was just about to install it and then I saw this video!!
I bought a kit from Home Depot that came with a saddle valve, and upon reading instructions I said “hell the F no”. Amazing that HD would sell something that seems so obviously terrible. Glad to see in this video my instincts were right.
Great video. I’m dealing with a corroded saddle valve right now put on right above an Hvac duct. Impossible to get to without major effort. These are definitely not the way to add a water line. Thanks for showing the alternative solutions
You bet, glad to help
Great video Jeff. Thanks for sharing.
glad to help Vince!
Very educational and easy to understand! Great video and thanks for all the links.
Glad to help cp!
great video. quality is excellent as well as the instructions
Awesome Jeff, thank you for providing the link to this video. I will now hook up my ice-maker the right way.
You bet!
Thank you- I just learned something new. I have been using Saddle valves for over 20 years to ONLY drain pipes that supplies water to outdoor faucets. Am I in violation of the NYS code?
I don't know if the code covers outside or not it's just that when I see it in the code and it says what is not allowed and it's a saddle type fittings that to me since we shouldn't be using them at all
Glad I kept my comments to myself about the saddle valve
We always want to hear people's comments on saddle valves
Great thorough video and explanations. What do you suggest to replace a saddle valve that is coming off of my hot water heater to the house humidifier? Maybe you could do a video on it?
I am working on a video for this
@@jeffostroff Awesome. Looking forward to it. Thank you.
So glad your video popped up, the store tried to sale me that. Thanks for this information!
Glad I could help Christopher!
I can appreciate a lot about this video and I agree with you entirely Jeff. It would be helpful, however, to have instructions for lay individuals on how to replace these awful existing saddle valves.
The reason(s) that so many of these crappy valves remain in properties is because of the plumbing work which is involved to install a proper valve. Most homeowners are too unsure of themselves (me included) to cut/sweat a 'T' for the installation of a proper valve. Jeff....howsabout a video for that?
I plan to do a video on this pretty soon
I'm glad I watched this. I was just about to install one. Seems like an easy fix though.. add another piece of rubber on the underside, plus galvanized or brass screws, no?
I have a humidifier that was hook up with one of these to my water heater pipe and it leaked so I’ve shut it down and not used it for years. Just ran into your video thanks for info.
Very cool!
Thank you for this video. I was researching the use of this valve before and now will spring for the adapter. Thanks much.
Glad I could help good thing we caught you in time Russel!
I didnt want to wait for my plumber very whose busy. I considered doing this. Ill just wait. Thanks !
Nothing wrong with that!
Just moved to Florida, new fridge coming in two days. Up north, everyone seemed to have a saddle valve, and one by one they ended up with problems. Your solutions are so easy, and not being a plumber, had no idea they existed. Thank you, I subscribed and will check out your other videos.
Glad to help John and thanks for subscribing
Love this video and your wisdom, glad I watched this before setting mine up. I’ll go with the rolls Royce!!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Good video, but I do have one question. What if a home owner finds they have a saddle valve and wants to remove and replace it the correct way? Most homeowners can figure out what to do if they have a nice clean piece of copper to work with. In many cases though they can remove the valve which leaves a hole of course, and it doesn't leave enough room to cut that piece off and start new. So now what? What viable saddle valve repair/replacement options should someone look for?
Awesome video! I don't have a saddle valve coming off my hot water heater, but I need to add a second ice maker line. I currently have a Sharkbite shutoff valve for the ice maker. Do they make a dual valve for 2 icemakers? Thanks.
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
Agreed!
Thanks bro. Yeah "This Old House" said the same thing about not being able to use the saddle valves lol
Excellent informative video
Logical explanation! I hope I can find the three way valve.
Easy to find, plus I have links below in video description
Just what I needed to see! One question tho, if I add the part under my kitchen sink, how do I repair the saddle valve? Will I, should I get a plumber for this job? Saddle valve located in the basement above a cabinet, hard to reach/repair.
I would cut off water to the house, drain that line as much as possible, and cut through that pipe where the saddle valve was and put a copper pipe coupling there, that pin hole needs to be removed.
Thank you!
Here is where I am. 13 years ago I bought a refrigerator at Lowes. My house is on a crawl space and the refrigerator installer placed a saddle valve just inside the crawlspace door. He did not place the saddle valve on the main supply line but on an adjacent connecting line. Last month I replaced the refrigerator. The existing saddle valve was completely rusted. Yours truly removed it and replaced it with a new saddle valve plus a 20 ft braded supply line just like the one in your video. If I had the patience to do it, it would take a 1/2 hour to fill a glass of water and ice production is pathetic. So, what is my best solution? Ideally, I prefer to remove the saddle valve and solder in a new copper T connection. 1. What should I do about the hole created by the saddle valve? Shouldn't the new T connection be installed on the main supply line? I have no plumbing skills but my daughter says my son-in-law can solder copper pipe.
Remove saddle valve, cut the pipe, solder on a T-fitting, then solder a small pipe onto the T-fitting, then install a compression fit 1/4 turn ball valve with a 1/4" output ice maker line is smaller.
Great video, Do you have a video showing this in a home?
Jeff, I just got a new fridge delivered and when they were removing the old one I noticed a copper supply line was connected. I checked under my sink and noticed there was a saddle valve which I am unsure if it works or not. Prior to this, I was already considering installing the valve adapter solution you described. My question to you is, what is the best way for me to proceed? Should I leave the saddle in place, make sure it's fully closed and go the valve adapter route?
Question.. What to do if there's a need for third connection? I have a filtered water system, ice maker line and a faucet that need to be connected. Would it be feasible to use both the 1st and 2nd options?
Great video, and even better information!! Spend a little more for peace of mind in the long run.
Yes, or get a y-adapter
best video on you tube! thank you for the links!
Could you please instruct what to do if a saddle valve has already been installed for an ice maker? I understand there is a hole from the saddle valve in the pipe now,. Please instruct how to remedy the situation & use one of your methods. Thanks!
Yes I can, you have to cut that section of copper pipe out where the hole is, and I would solder in a copper T fitting, and solder in a small 3-4" pipe length, so that you can add the correct 1/4 turn ball compression valve right there where you T'd off of the water pipe.
@@jeffostroff Thanks for your response. That sounds too complicated for us to do ourselves, as we don't solder. Are we stuck with the saddle valve and really low pressure in our fridge water dispenser if we opt not to use a plumber? And if we got a plumber to do it your way, how much would it cost?
Welp, our previously installed saddle valve is corroded and leaking. Just need a video of how to replace these properly. If you have a video, that would be awesome!
Sorry to hear that Have not done one yet but would like to
The saddle valve is on the cold water supply which means its much cooler than the moist air surrounding it. This is a good source of condensation for electrolysis.
Could be in some case, here in FL, mostly cold water line is at room temperature, so only the complex formula of temperature difference and humidity.
Should the valve be placed on the cold water line or the hot water line? Thank you 👌🏿
I think there is a very simple Solution for installing saddle valve, in this video I notice at the top of the saddle valve with rubber looks ok, solution is just put a same rubber at the buttom of the saddle valve to the pipe 😁
Thank you sir. Saddle valves are a lazy and flawed solution. Years ago, I installed a saddle valve that was included with a reverse osmosis water system. Started leaking immediately, which I can see now was probably the best thing that could have happened. Had to replace the pipe that now had a hole in it of course, and went to a valve that had two outlets: 3/8 and 1/4 inch. Problem solved.
Glad it leaked right away and you caught it!
As a very basic DIY attempter, I loathe using these. But I have used one recently. Thankfully(or not) my mothers under-sink plumbing needs to be reworked due to poor quality work done in the past by a professional plumber. She just bought a fridge with an ice maker and was hoping to hook it up soon. I went ahead and used the saddle clamp, because we are going to get the plumbing reworked under the sink anyway. At least I was able to place it above a soldered joint so that only a small section would need replaced in the event of a failure.
Placing these in a visible, easy access is highly advised. Don't clamp it in some out of the way nook or under your floor.
Jeff, Sioux Chief has a fitting called an "Add-A-Line" (part 601-G20CV) for those interested in just replacing their old saddle fitting. A bit more complicated than what you have shown, but not all fridge lines can be run from under the sink. Even if you could, you'd still have to do something with the old valve or it's still gonna sit there and continue to corrode. Sioux Chief product is simple that it has a compression fitting on each end for your main run with a 1/4" side tap for the fridge hose. All you need to do is turn off water, remover old valve, clean off about an inch of pipe on both sides of the old hole in pipe cut out a small section of the copper line where saddle valve used to be, install this new fitting where you just made the cut and then install fridge line. Easy, peasy and very professional. Just a thought. GREAT video and oh so true!
I'll look into this one for future video ideas
Great video!
Thanks James, glad you liked it
I love 1/4 turn valves, instant shut off.👀👍🏽
You bet brother, when you have water gushing at 60 PSI, those multi turn shut off valves seem to take an eternity to choke off that water.
That’s one reason why I replaced the old main valve to the house, toilet, sink, and washer valves to 1/4 turn valves.
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@@abibodlogistics They have them at Home Depot, that's the link to it I posted above
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I can’t seem to find the dual stop adapter anywhere online. This looks like a fantastic solution! Do you happen to have a link to the part, or could you possibly tell me how to search for it? Thank you.
I linked to it in the video description.
Thanks for clarifying 😊👍
Thanks for a great videa and advice Jeff. However I have a saddle valve in the basement, and the ice line goes up from there. I am not sure how to connect to the that pipe and have a connection to the ice line. Also, how do you plug a hole in a pipe after removing a saddle valve?
You don't plug a hole in a pipe after removing the saddle valve. You cut away the section of pipe or the saddle valve was and you insert a copper tea fitting and make a little stub out of copper pipe which you can then attach a water shutoff valve too
@@jeffostroff I'm not understanding. Is there soldering involved? I was thinking about using something called a shark-bite, but don't think I should be bending the copper line to insert a SharkBite cuz it could break a connection on it at one of the ends of the copper line.. Can you help a little on this? Thanks. Great video and I subscribed.
These are a much safer and more watertight method than a saddle valve. Ask yourself......if you were in a submarine a few hundred feet underwater would you feel happy if you looked up at the piping and saw A SADDLE VALVE.........? 🤔Or would you feel safer with correct pressure tested adaptor.......OK an extreme example.........but if an SV blows above a ceiling or in an attic thats gonna cost $$$$$’s.........WORK SAFE guys. The only place for saddle valves......😩.....throw them in the dumpster! I was an Armed Forces engineer for over 45 years.......I recommend this channel👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Well spoken!
Excellent information. Thanks!
Glad to help out Matt, thanks for watching our video!
Thank you that’s what I was looking for ✅
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
I am replacing a refrigerator that has been in use for 14 yrs. The saddle valve is installed to the copper pipe which is located on the lower level, with the ice maker water line fed thru the floor behind the refrigerator. This has not been a problem, but the dealer has told me I need a shut off directly behind the refrigerator. What kind of valve do I need to install to replace the saddle valve?
Your method looks more durable, the saddle valve looks questionable to me. Thanks I'll be going with the connection you recommended!!
I just installed another set of these this week at a friend's house remodel
Enjoyed the video just curious what do you do with the saddle valve that's already there. My saddle valve is located under the cold water shut off? will it leak since the pipe has a hole in it. Sorry if the questions seem dumb maybe I missed something
How would you go about stopping/plugging the end? I recently got a new fridge and had to move the location bc of size; now my copper line has a constant drip. Trying to think of a good way to plug it. Doesn’t have a valve on it; saddle right at the water heater
Buy a plastic water line cap for the copper tube. Great instructions here: www.hunker.com/12490072/how-to-cap-a-copper-refrigerator-water-line
THANKS!!
How do you remove a saddle valve? How does one deal with the hole the saddle valve left in the copper pipe? Mine is under my house
Somebody has to crawl under there and get to it. Basically what they do is cut the copper pipe, and then they saw her on AT adapterAnd then they could put their copper stuff out on the tea adapter for which they can put the valve at the end. I am going to do a video on this very soon
@jeffostroff I'd like to see that. I have the saddle valve on a copper pipe myself. I have to get it capped or my fridge install won't be done. Too many other things under the sink to be so simple: RO system, garbage disposal - going to get a handyman.
i was just about to put one in for an inline air humidifier, but it... seemed chintzy to me, had a weird feeling about it. glad to know my intuitions still pretty good. i like that dual saddle valve. it solves all the problems, and honestly.. 40 bucks for a part that has independent control and no weird metal ... something something chemisty two metals rust blah blah im a tile installer and idk. regardless, 40 bucks even for piece of mind. fuckit. im going to get one.
Couldnt agree more! 👍 thanks Pop!
No problem 👍