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I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test. I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else. I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason. Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing ! Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from. second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
Common road habits in Australia: 1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane. 2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you. 3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake. 4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger. 5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated.. EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it. It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks. New chain across the "exit" people used to use. It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached. The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises. The kids felt a bit safer as well.
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :) th-cam.com/video/MGQLghn5FlY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/w-d-xo.html
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout. The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
When turning left at the lights and there is another car on the opposite side of you turning right (the same you are going) do you give way or does the car that's turning right give way?
Hi , short answer car turning right gives way , this is another one many are confused one , so it has its own video , please watch and if you still have any questions let me know :)th-cam.com/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/w-d-xo.html
If you are turning left, you have the right of way against someone turning right into the same road as yourself. Victoria changed to this rule when road rules were nationalised.
Just have to ask do this rules apply in Victoria. I'm right now going for my L's and I just want to make sure that I have a wide range of knowledge about the road laws before i do my test
Thorin Stewart to my knowledge they are all the same in Victoria BUT i know there are few different rules there such as hook turns etc , so recommend you check all , you may have this but is a drivers info for Victoria www.aasprint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Road%20to%20Solo%20Driving%20-%20Vicroads%20-%20Jan%202010.pdf
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
At 1:34, is that the only legal combination possible (in NSW)? Can the green car turn right into any of the 3 lanes (if the traffic allows)? Similarly, can the middle blue car turn right into any of the 3 lanes?
Hey re-134 guess there are many possible combinations that can be done in use in all states this rule this the same Australia wide know the green car cannot turn into any of the three lanes in this example and neither can the blue as there are multiple turning lanes so it they will designate what Lane you can turn into in this example the green car must go to the right our lane only the blue car has the option of the middle lane all the far left lane for the blue arrows that could be reversed in a setup allowing the green car to go to the middle and right lanes it depends on how many turning lanes you have and how many lanes you can turn into but whenever there are multiple Turning lanes and you cannot turn into any Lane you wish in that only applies when there is a single turning lane when there are multiple there will always be - markings on the road and or signs telling you what lane to turn into that makes sense cheers
what about when theres two lanes turning left with incoming 3 lanes? me and my friends always argue about this.. my friend said the car on the right turning left should go to the 3rd lane (very right). and the car on the left can go 1st or 2nd. but i thought it should be like the car on the left can only go to the 1st lane (very left) and the car on the right can go 2nd or 3rd lane.. which one is the right one? O.O
Hi Cherry that easy the answer is both :) ok so when you have an intersection where example 2 lanes turns left into a 3 lane road , there will always be lane markings ( broken/dotted lines on the ground that show drivers which the lane/s they must go into , there could also be arrows , signs or even unbroken lines to guide the drivers , typical the left lane will be directed to the far left lane and the right lane driver will have a choice of the middle or far right lane when turning . BUT there are many intersections that are the opposite so the left lane gets the left and middle choice . so each intersection can be different and you must follow the line markings/signage etc . and this is the same for turning right at an intersection as well does that explain it all for you ?
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left! If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane. As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it. I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
hey scott, i was wondering did you have any opinion on the problem of new road rules/changes to road rules not being directly communicated to anyone, ever? like i got dicked for idly holding my phone up to my window, trying to get the gps to start talking to me again, and apparently touching any electronic device while in your car, that isn't in "an approved cradle" is illegal and comes with a $500 penalty now.. i was stopped at the lights and the cop said nope, u gotta be pulled over, with the car fully parked in order to be able to touch anything (without a cradle). last i heard you couldn't write sms while in the car and had to use speakerphone, and that was it.. like decades ago.. which got me thinking.. in all my years of driving, nobody has ever communicated a road rule or change to road rules to me.. not vicroads, not the department of transport, nothin.. and they sure af have all my details. every time vicroads issues me a new license, they should make sure i know any new changes to rules, but that doesn't happen- they aren't doing their job as the licensing authority and just rubber stamp license renewals, letting people eat shit when they find out about new rules the hard way..
Hi with regards to your question although I think yes there should be more done to update drivers on changes not sure how Victoria is by the New South Wales the government is fairly active weather for example your one with the phones has been well publicised on TV another advertising campaigns to explain the rules along with other room changes like seat belts speed limits and other things get well represented but I think now with the Adrian we should have to take it you’re an online test every couple of years we can meet on your home computer , laptop , tablet etc to make people re learn laws , like we have to for work and other things we do
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks very much for your reply! yeah the department of transport informed me that they have tv ads and magazine campaigns for road rule changes, but i don't watch tv and who buys magazines.. >.< so are those particular ads currently running? or it was just for a period, then they assumed everyone should probably be reliably informed by then? the case i've been trying to put to our vic government is that i don't watch tv, and as a result haven't been informed of most/any road rule changes since initially getting my license decades ago.. i don't think i'm the only one? the licensing authority has a full database it could use to directly inform each of us of changes to road rules the moment they happen, and i think nowadays it's way smarter to just directly inform people instead of pissing money up a tree with tv ad campaigns and magazines that you can never be 100% confident everyone has seen and understood. also i agree with you, it's very easy to provide timely and relevant information and testing online. if any rules ever change, people should have to in some way at least acknowledge the change, in the form of a test online, or at least having the information displayed to them and asking them to indicate they've read it and can therefore abide by it. pretty sure i have fkall chance of anyone bothering to fix it, but man i have been trying XD
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
well its not about avoiding the intersection , the point was just to say its not illegal and it applies to all areas like car parks, fast food business, shops etc any where that is on a corner , but to answer your question , it could be different in other states but in NSW if there are speed signs that would be the linti , if not it would the shard zone limit is 10KMH :)
The speed limit in such areas is not dependant on what your intentions of being on the area are. Just drive there as you would at any other moment that you would be there; slow. Or where you really planning on driving 50kph through a fuel station?
Yes link was in video description but here's short version and gov video :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html#roundabouts
Hi , I've done comparisons from the nsw laws to other states , VIC,QLD , SA , WA , ACT , havent really looked at NT or TAS , all are based off the same legislation, and 99% are the same , with regards to this video I couldn't find any differences in QLD rules to these , the only differences I've seen so far between the nsw/Qld is 1, uturns at lights , 2 Bike riders can use shoulder , 3 bike riders have area to Intersection to use , 4 the speed limit for the keep left unless overtaking rule , Others all the same I've found so far .
Hi yes i can , however i thought your name seemed familiar , so i did a quick search on my channel and found the last conversation we had was on the same subject and was a case of you not wanting to accept the rules and laws i was explaining / referring and you insisting i had broken a law i hadnt , so with that in mind are you trolling me and looking for an argument , or do you seriously want to be helped with the road rules, i am happy to forget the last encounter and help people but not if im being trolled or time wasted , ?
Scotts Car Cameras Hi Scott, no, I don’t want to waste your time and please don’t think that I’m trolling you. This is purely a request on behalf of many people, who subscribed to your channel and enjoy watching your vids. If I could make another request, could you also do one on keeping left and U turns at traffic lights?
Ok i will take you a face value , re your question can you elaborate a little more , the rule when turning at an intersection is if your are turning right you must give way to traffic in the other direction that is going straight or turning left before you can turn right , but ig there are multiple lanes turning right they generally will not have other traffic going , ie there would traffic lights arrows , if you can be more specific i can help , please see this video on turning at traffic lights , and i have already done a video on keeping left see link as well, i will keep the uturn in mind for a future vid yes people are confused as that varies state to state , but in NSW you cant do a uturn at traffic lights unless there is a utrun permitted sign . th-cam.com/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/9HtF_uhbXxk/w-d-xo.html www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s40.html
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
HI , No re 3:16 you have obey all other road rules so if there are unbroken lines you can’t change lane or if in a lane with direction arrows or signs saying you must only left or right you can nit change lanes to go in another direction ie straight , same applies to roundabouts, :)
@@ScottsCarcameras wow didn't expect a reply from an old video especially within minutes to XD, I didn't know you could change lanes in a roundabout I thought you couldn't cause on the learner's test it said you can't until I saw this video and I googled it. apparently google knows the road rules better than the government
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with . I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable? In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
yes and no , so there isnt a road book with a diagram of a petrol station showing you how to drive through one :) but as you may be aware how the law works is that dont list what is legal , just what illegal and if its not in the offence list you can do , i can give you a link to the offence list if you want to it, the subject is covered under "road related areas and adjacent land" i will give you some links on that and if you have any other questions or things can help with on it let me know www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s74.html www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s11.html#road_related_areawww.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s26.html#adjacent_land
I think the petrol station issue will depend on the owners asserting (or not) their right that the forecourt is not a public right of way - probably not a statute law issue. I've seen signs at petrol stations telling people not to use the forecourt to avoid the traffic lights in Melbourne and Brisbane. Someone having an accident on a forecourt and not having purchased anything could easily have any insurance claim denied as they were not acting lawfully. The same issue applies to privately owned car parks, they usually have notices saying that entry is governed by their terms and conditions. Council owned car parks are usually considered to be part of the road network and all normal road rules apply.
Hi FYI , I that's how it's works , place may put signs to ask people not to drive through , but any place that allows public traffic is subject to the same rules as on the road , petrol station example l same as large shopping centre carpark , if a crash happens still ruled at fault via road llaws and re insurance no there is no "unlawful act " as drving through is not illegal , purchase irrelevant, same you pull into a McDonald's carpark to se the bath room and have a crash , you haven't purchased anything ! Yes private property different , but private property with public access falls under state road rules , hope that explains
A petrol station I know has bollards in it. It's not possible to use it to by-pass the lights. If you pull into it before the lights, the only exit is the way you came in. The other half of the station is after the lights, and can not be accessed from before the lights. Guess they got fed up being used as a drive-through.
At 0:52 you enter the roundabout in left hand lane, at 0:53 you indicate to change lanes, why? the people entering the roundabout see your right hand indicator on and might presume you are exiting right, this causes them to brake unnecessarily. You are in essence "straight lining" the roundabout, leave your lane change until after the roundabout. It may be legal, inconvenient for others.
HI , indicated because that’s the law you must indicate before change lanes :) if other see it they will know I’m changing lanes but can’t go right as they lane arrows only allow me to go Straight, and the other drivers but brake on approach to a roundabout that’s the law too so would affect them any way :)
Great drivers ed. videos. Great TH-cam Channel. HINT: Best to utilise the terminology 'Correct' rather than 'Right' in your graphics to avoid any possible confusion. Cheers.
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Turning to take either lane... At 1:32 the diagram shows a green and a blue car both turning right into 3 lanes. Why does the blue car get to choose which lane it wants while the green car is shown with only the closest lane as the turn option?
Hi , in that example they show that setup , in the real road there will be dash lines on the road showing what lane or lane you can turn into , in these setups they typically do it this way to allow large vehicles ie trucks , buses to use two lanes for easier turning and but there are setups where green car would have tow lanes to turn into and it would be shows on the road with lines and/or with signs :)
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
@@ScottsCarcameras hi no I don't quite understand, I'm new to this so please forgive me, but at 2:30 when you want to turn right, there's 2 lanes you can turn into, what if there's only 1 lane you can turn into and do you have to yield to that car?
@@ScottsCarcameras please help me with this as I would really appreciate it, remember helping one is helping all, I will also do the same, teaching other people ❤️
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW. Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY. Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane. You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes. Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers. But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic 1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57 2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane , 3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules , see links :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
yes there is a vol 2 available if you haven't watched it and my driver education series , and im working on vol 3 with 5 more rules it will be out very soon :)
The last one is interesting. Where I live (in the States), it's 100% illegal to do that whether one is crossing public or private property. It's considered evasion of traffic control, and though it doesn't happen often around me, I have seen it enforced once.
Yeah I complete see how is would be illegal in concept , but impractical to police as , say I drove into a "Gas Station " and realised I left my wallet at home , and so I can't stop for gas and drive out to go around the block to go home and get my wallet and come back , prove that's not the case , or how long do you have to stop for , drive in wait 30 seconds and then go , are you still evading traffic control ? , I know it's a stupid non inportant thing , I just find it funny how you can't technically say you are doing something wrong , have a good one ,
Well, in the case I witnessed it was actually the lot of a restaurant. The lot is very narrow, and collisions of any variety wouldn't require much effort; at best, people who were patronizing the restaurant would be completely prevented from leaving their parking spaces if the lot were constantly used to avoid the stoplight. So when that particular driver pulled in and never touched the brakes or swerved as though to park, what was going on was pretty obvious and the cop went right after. But the uncertainty you mention is no doubt why that's the only instance I've seen-I doubt too many people who cruise through a service station to avoid a light actually get caught.
Despite the fact that the lane on the left side is clearly blocked due to many parking spots, there is a brazen driver who refuses to line up on the right side and overtakes the vehicle on the right side in the left lane before cutting into the right lane. It is Australia's own crazy rules.
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal. Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting. Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly. And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
yes some do , but most single lane setups dont , its usally only if there is two or more lanes turning , or a uncommon intersection, law is no matter what the road rules are , lane markings or signs are ultimate rule to follow
When turning from a single lane to a multi lane road, it is prudence to stay to the nearest lane to which you have turned. If you turn from a side street into a 3 lane road, and go straight to the right hand lane, you have changed lanes. Have you indicated that you are diverging right??? Could you be written up for an offence? As, when people are diverging right, they still have the left hand blinker on, and vice versa. The other point to look at is courtesy on the road. By staying in the nearest lane from where you have turned, this should, in theory, allow other oncoming vehicles to go into the other lane, thereby improving traffic flow, and reducing travelling times. So, feeding from a single lane cross road into a 2 or more laned road, traffic turning left should go to the left most lane, and change lanes when safe to do so, and right turning traffic should go to the right most lane, and chanbe lanes when it is safe to do so. The only exception to this thinking is a long vehicle making a turn. They are generally too long to keep to the one lane, so they have to use the next lane over to get the back of the vehicle around the corner without cutting the corner, but, they should aim to finish up in the lanes as was described above.
Hi FYI NO thats was all incorrect the law literally states you can turn into any and you are not changing lanes while turning as there is only one lane the one you are turning from the point made in the video and shown so NO so there is no offence you can be written up for and its good driving practice to do this as it reduces lane changes later which can impede traffic flow and traffic from other directions plus cut off drive behind you that are going straight into the other lane , also if its short distance there is no time change lanes , thats why the rule exists :) have a nice weekend
Its an interesting spotlight on the differences between rules in different states. I learned to drive in Nsw and then moved to Qld where rules differ slightly. On roundabouts its the same for lane changes though while inadvisable it is technically legal provided all normal lane change rules are followed. Qld rules on straight line use of roundabouts is to not indicate when entering and to indicate left when exiting - when I learned it was to use no indication when driving through. As this was the old rule Qld police seem happy to accept either option still.. Lately though I have noticed an increase in drivers indicating right when entering and left when exiting roundabouts which is incredibly irritating as it slows traffic flow with a false signal. Dont know if this is a strange rule from interstate or just peoples ignorance 😂 For Yellow lights/ arrows it is the same though the driver can drive through the yellow if they deem that it is "unsafe" to stop before it. On the driving through service stations thing while that's technically legal again as long as normal signs rules are followed it is likely to attract you the displeasure of other road users. I'll add that in Qld the road rules do state that any traffic on the road is Not required to give way to traffic entering from a driveway or service station so any accident caused by the entering traffic puts them squarely at fault unless its an emergency vehicle. Think you could run half a video just on U Turn rules 😂 in Qld they are many and varied.
Hi Shannon to clarify for you there are very few rule differences between the states , re roundabout rule they are the same in all of Australia and have never been different , if going straight no indicator and indicate left on exit if practicable , same all states not changed , just people doing it wrong . re yellows lights in all states , yes only stop if able to safely. re the give way , that again is standard for all states vehicle the from a road related area to a road must give way , re Uturns QLD rules are the same as all other states no variations , VIC is the only place that as a variation on one rule , covered this on another vide see link :) th-cam.com/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/w-d-xo.html
Hi , well I haven’t read back to 1986 , but for you state QLD these rules were current from at least 1995 , So can’t say if they were changed were just misunderstood;) But this is why with varying age drivers everyone need to stay update :)
@@ScottsCarcameras It amazes me that the transport department can slip advertising into the envelope with our annual registration renewal but have never included rules updates.
Hi , i actually have a video on lane filtering please see link , the only differences are in Qld riders are allowed to use the shoulder on roads where the speed limit is 90kmh or more id the rider and traffic is going under 30kmh , ( riders cant use shoulder at all in NSW) and in Qld they have Bicycle storage areas at intersections where bike riders are allowed to use them , in NSW there are no areas like that and riders must always stay behind the line at the intersection, hope this helps :)th-cam.com/video/A-K6JTeAuLc/w-d-xo.html www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/motorcycle
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green. Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you? Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well? Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ? :) th-cam.com/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/w-d-xo.html
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information. I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches. I was told I was partly at fault also. I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light. Havagooday Greg
I would like to see how these differ from state to state considering this was all filmed in NSW. I know that certain rules change from state to state. For example in Vic you can perform a u-turn at a set of traffic lights, unless it is signed as no u-turns. In some other states this is an illegal and you can be fined for it. Maybe not the best advice to give if it is illegal in other states outside NSW. Maybe you could posted which states allow these manoeuvres where possible as not to create confusion with different states road rules.
Hi this has been taken into account , the video notes at the start this is off NSW but all the rules in this video are the same in all states and territories in Australia . the only note is a slight variation on the change lanes in intersection rule in WA only :)
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious. Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
@5:10, the car through the station did not stop before re-entering the roadway. Is that legal in NSW? It is not in the countries I have driven in (Europe, Asia, USA, Canada)
Thank you for your reply. We call it "Yield" and you call it "Give way". OK, so now bring us a vid of idiots who do not know what "Give way" means when re-entering the road way.... Of course, that is why you are required to stop in MOST countries... because people are idiots.... I admit to moments when i join that group of people . Cheers.....
By the way, all of this is the big reason I did not drive while visiting for six months a few years back. Mostly I was afraid of forgetting which side of the road I was supposed to be driving on. But the rules are (often, not usually) different from the USA. I was thinking that, if I was going to drive, then I should spend a day with a driving instructor instead of just using the international DL and forging ahead. Never did drive there and was fortunate to have a lot of friends while there... Cheers.
david beckenbaugh well that's no fun , I remember the first time I drove in the USA , turning left the first time going into the other side of the road felt so wrong , and I was wondering why I kept getting horns at me every right turn until I guessed it's right turn any time , managed to only turn the wrong way once so was proud lol
Ha! Lots of fun having beautiful blonde Australian women driving me around. You should try it sometime.... In the meantime, maybe you can hep me with a misunderstanding on my part. I watch the British road cop shows on youtube and, often at the end when they review the cases/people they run into, they say the person received a "Police caution". OK, so what does that do for the person that received it? Is it just a record where if they do something minor that they would get a "Don't do that again but I am letting you go", they now have this record and they get a citation for the minor occurrence? I know Australia is NOT Britain, but I am thinking much of the terminology is the same. Maybe a viewer can reply, also. We sometimes get excellent replies, though you have to weed through a lot from people who have no idea. Anyway.... Your thoughts?
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane 27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) (1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road. Maximum penalty-20 penalty units. (1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area. Note- Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary. (1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule. (2) In this rule- road does not include a road related area. Note 1- Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary. Note 2- Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13. Example- Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) and the same for the right turn Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
Hi Hayleigh no the point of the video was it works the opposite way to way you said , you must stop for a yellow light unless its not safe to stop as in you cant stop in time / are already to close to the line , make sense ? :)
I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
sometimes I have to change lanes in a roundabout otherwise i cant get to maccas
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
Then GET in to the correct lane BEFORE entering!
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
As a Brit watching this I always assumed you were given a Mad Max DVD and say "Go for it mate" for your driving test.
not far off :)
Pretty much how it works here. Australia has a Formula 1 driver who just visited Australia and bagged us as drivers. What would he know? ;-)
was it the stig?
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test.
I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
We actually hop around on Kangaroos drinking cans of VB
I was always taught to avoid changing lanes within an intersection where possible though as it’s the safest option
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
Ýes no point having the high moral ground if you are 6 feet under it.
@@LandyVlad_Rides Well said 😀
@@germanshepherdlover2613 always been a favourite saying of mine. That and the secret to life is "Don't be a dick".
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
Like cutting an intersection by driving thru a servo. It may not be illegal, but it's a dick move.
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Yes that correct , it's comes under rule 146 www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s146.html
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
Not in Victoria thank goodness!
@@jliquorish unless ther are marked lanes then it does.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else.
I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason.
Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing !
Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
Only arseholes use fuel stations as an alternate route unless they actually buy something.
So instead of sitting at a red light , everyone can just drive through a servo 🤦
Another one not legal in Victoria!
No same law in all of Aus
Over use of blinkers whilst travelling through a roundabout. This one does my head in
why? a roundabout is no different to a cross or T intersection, except it has a hump in the middle.
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from.
second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
And treating a petrol station as though it is a road is about the most dangerous thing you could possibly do.
@@stephenwalczak3166 that’s what I thought.
Bypassing a traffic intersection by driving through a servo is indeed illegal, every state i believe.
They are legal, but better to avoid some of them like driving through the petrol station or changing lines in an intersection! :)
Police are not reliable to ask , they dont make law and are not lawyers most are not very smart :(
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
TheCaryly - yeah don’t do that.
@@chrisfi3d Not since they lowered the standards , they are basically daycare workers now
Thank for uploading those picture it was helping me learning a lot where the road rules are about :) Thanks Scott
you are welcome , helping people learn the right rules is what i make these for :)
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
Common road habits in Australia:
1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane.
2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you.
3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake.
4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger.
5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
Your videos are ideal to show my brother who is coming over from the UK soon and plans to do a bit of touring thanks for posting.
Thanks , yes have you seen the other education vids i have ? get him to what the one on undertaking the uk drivers love that :)
Theory test's should be retaken every few years as mandatory.
on number two, the important bit is if "the driver can stop safely" ... had an L plater lock up in front of me on a yellow...
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
But was this ~still safe~ when the timing of the lights being changed in each direction is still VERY HIGH safety margin? Sometimes 3 seconds~
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated..
EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
If you had run into them, you would be at fault. The safe to do so applies to the driver, not anyone behind.
Round about rule is stupid. If youre indicating in a round about, other drivers will think youre turning.
That is why the law is to give way to all traffic on roundabout
If you are changing lanes, the indicate and check that the lane is clear. No difference for a roundabout or a regular stretch of road.
gorillaau Agreed though I can just imagine people stopping on the roundabout to wait for the lane to clear lol
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
I’m bit confused which light to turn on at night driving dim or focus?
Drive through a privately owned servo here in Adelaide to avoid traffic lights and you will get your teeth kicked in by the owners of the servo.
well doesn't sound very pleasant , the owner must be fast to catch you in moving vehicle ?
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it.
It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks.
New chain across the "exit" people used to use.
It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached.
The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises.
The kids felt a bit safer as well.
Brenda Fuller Good move by the servo owner. Made me smile, thanks.
Can you please make a video about the approaching technique to a red/ speed camera without the guessing methods usually drivers fall into it?
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :)
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I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout.
The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
This is how my driving instructor taught students to indicate when using a roundabout, way back in 1996 (QLD).
thats why i just never indicate on roundabouts 👍
How can you indicate to change lanes in a roundabout when you need to give something like 2 seconds notice? Or has that rule changed?
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
Thanks for this information and this video
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
Whoa thanks for the heads up!
I disagree with driving through a petrol station, where there are patrons walking to and from the pumps.
You can’t disagree with a fact
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
When turning left at the lights and there is another car on the opposite side of you turning right (the same you are going) do you give way or does the car that's turning right give way?
Turning right gives way
Hi , short answer car turning right gives way , this is another one many are confused one , so it has its own video , please watch and if you still have any questions let me know :)th-cam.com/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/w-d-xo.html
If you are turning left, you have the right of way against someone turning right into the same road as yourself. Victoria changed to this rule when road rules were nationalised.
Just have to ask do this rules apply in Victoria. I'm right now going for my L's and I just want to make sure that I have a wide range of knowledge about the road laws before i do my test
Thorin Stewart to my knowledge they are all the same in Victoria BUT i know there are few different rules there such as hook turns etc , so recommend you check all , you may have this but is a drivers info for Victoria www.aasprint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Road%20to%20Solo%20Driving%20-%20Vicroads%20-%20Jan%202010.pdf
They are virtually identical!
The only major rule difference is the uturn rule. We are allowed to make a uturn at lights unless there is a sign saying no uturn.
Scotts Car Cameras thanks I'll take a look at that
Umm. There's a "Handbook" + website all of which I'd assumed to be extensively studied. Please do NOT go for the L's just yet.
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
Yes correct www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/traffic-lights.html
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
At 1:34, is that the only legal combination possible (in NSW)? Can the green car turn right into any of the 3 lanes (if the traffic allows)? Similarly, can the middle blue car turn right into any of the 3 lanes?
Hey re-134 guess there are many possible combinations that can be done in use in all states this rule this the same Australia wide know the green car cannot turn into any of the three lanes in this example and neither can the blue as there are multiple turning lanes so it they will designate what Lane you can turn into in this example the green car must go to the right our lane only the blue car has the option of the middle lane all the far left lane for the blue arrows that could be reversed in a setup allowing the green car to go to the middle and right lanes it depends on how many turning lanes you have and how many lanes you can turn into but whenever there are multiple Turning lanes and you cannot turn into any Lane you wish in that only applies when there is a single turning lane when there are multiple there will always be - markings on the road and or signs telling you what lane to turn into that makes sense cheers
in melbourne and that usually you cant change lanes at the lights only mid intersection onwards
what about when theres two lanes turning left with incoming 3 lanes? me and my friends always argue about this.. my friend said the car on the right turning left should go to the 3rd lane (very right). and the car on the left can go 1st or 2nd. but i thought it should be like the car on the left can only go to the 1st lane (very left) and the car on the right can go 2nd or 3rd lane.. which one is the right one? O.O
Hi Cherry that easy the answer is both :) ok so when you have an intersection where example 2 lanes turns left into a 3 lane road , there will always be lane markings ( broken/dotted lines on the ground that show drivers which the lane/s they must go into , there could also be arrows , signs or even unbroken lines to guide the drivers , typical the left lane will be directed to the far left lane and the right lane driver will have a choice of the middle or far right lane when turning . BUT there are many intersections that are the opposite so the left lane gets the left and middle choice . so each intersection can be different and you must follow the line markings/signage etc . and this is the same for turning right at an intersection as well does that explain it all for you ?
with #4 i was taught that you turn right into right hand lane, turn left into left hand lane THEN indicate to change lanes
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left!
If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane.
As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it.
I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
great video, thank you so much
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
hey scott, i was wondering did you have any opinion on the problem of new road rules/changes to road rules not being directly communicated to anyone, ever?
like i got dicked for idly holding my phone up to my window, trying to get the gps to start talking to me again, and apparently touching any electronic device while in your car, that isn't in "an approved cradle" is illegal and comes with a $500 penalty now..
i was stopped at the lights and the cop said nope, u gotta be pulled over, with the car fully parked in order to be able to touch anything (without a cradle).
last i heard you couldn't write sms while in the car and had to use speakerphone, and that was it.. like decades ago.. which got me thinking.. in all my years of driving, nobody has ever communicated a road rule or change to road rules to me.. not vicroads, not the department of transport, nothin.. and they sure af have all my details.
every time vicroads issues me a new license, they should make sure i know any new changes to rules, but that doesn't happen- they aren't doing their job as the licensing authority and just rubber stamp license renewals, letting people eat shit when they find out about new rules the hard way..
Hi with regards to your question although I think yes there should be more done to update drivers on changes not sure how Victoria is by the New South Wales the government is fairly active weather for example your one with the phones has been well publicised on TV another advertising campaigns to explain the rules along with other room changes like seat belts speed limits and other things get well represented but I think now with the Adrian we should have to take it you’re an online test every couple of years we can meet on your home computer , laptop , tablet etc to make people re learn laws , like we have to for work and other things we do
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks very much for your reply! yeah the department of transport informed me that they have tv ads and magazine campaigns for road rule changes, but i don't watch tv and who buys magazines.. >.<
so are those particular ads currently running? or it was just for a period, then they assumed everyone should probably be reliably informed by then?
the case i've been trying to put to our vic government is that i don't watch tv, and as a result haven't been informed of most/any road rule changes since initially getting my license decades ago.. i don't think i'm the only one?
the licensing authority has a full database it could use to directly inform each of us of changes to road rules the moment they happen, and i think nowadays it's way smarter to just directly inform people instead of pissing money up a tree with tv ad campaigns and magazines that you can never be 100% confident everyone has seen and understood.
also i agree with you, it's very easy to provide timely and relevant information and testing online. if any rules ever change, people should have to in some way at least acknowledge the change, in the form of a test online, or at least having the information displayed to them and asking them to indicate they've read it and can therefore abide by it.
pretty sure i have fkall chance of anyone bothering to fix it, but man i have been trying XD
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
If driving through service station etc to avoid intersection what is the speed limit?
well its not about avoiding the intersection , the point was just to say its not illegal and it applies to all areas like car parks, fast food business, shops etc any where that is on a corner , but to answer your question , it could be different in other states but in NSW if there are speed signs that would be the linti , if not it would the shard zone limit is 10KMH :)
The speed limit in such areas is not dependant on what your intentions of being on the area are. Just drive there as you would at any other moment that you would be there; slow. Or where you really planning on driving 50kph through a fuel station?
I feel like #3 is just for me after our conversation last month ;) I feel very educated!
LOL your not privileged ;) , that rule has been one that gets lots of comments and has been on my list to cover for a while , have a good one
Enjoyed the music and contents thx
It is legal to change lanes in a roundabout? I would like to see a link to that rule
Yes link was in video description but here's short version and gov video :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf
roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html#roundabouts
Are the QLD rules the same? I wonder what rules differ in other states. I'm frequently in NSW, but live in QLD (the best state by far ;) !
Hi , I've done comparisons from the nsw laws to other states , VIC,QLD , SA , WA , ACT , havent really looked at NT or TAS , all are based off the same legislation, and 99% are the same , with regards to this video I couldn't find any differences in QLD rules to these , the only differences I've seen so far between the nsw/Qld is 1, uturns at lights , 2 Bike riders can use shoulder , 3 bike riders have area to Intersection to use , 4 the speed limit for the keep left unless overtaking rule , Others all the same I've found so far .
Can you clarify the rule for multi lane right turn when another vehicle is turning left at the same time please Scott?
Hi yes i can , however i thought your name seemed familiar , so i did a quick search on my channel and found the last conversation we had was on the same subject and was a case of you not wanting to accept the rules and laws i was explaining / referring and you insisting i had broken a law i hadnt , so with that in mind are you trolling me and looking for an argument , or do you seriously want to be helped with the road rules, i am happy to forget the last encounter and help people but not if im being trolled or time wasted , ?
Scotts Car Cameras Hi Scott, no, I don’t want to waste your time and please don’t think that I’m trolling you. This is purely a request on behalf of many people, who subscribed to your channel and enjoy watching your vids. If I could make another request, could you also do one on keeping left and U turns at traffic lights?
Ok i will take you a face value , re your question can you elaborate a little more , the rule when turning at an intersection is if your are turning right you must give way to traffic in the other direction that is going straight or turning left before you can turn right , but ig there are multiple lanes turning right they generally will not have other traffic going , ie there would traffic lights arrows , if you can be more specific i can help , please see this video on turning at traffic lights , and i have already done a video on keeping left see link as well, i will keep the uturn in mind for a future vid yes people are confused as that varies state to state , but in NSW you cant do a uturn at traffic lights unless there is a utrun permitted sign .
th-cam.com/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/9HtF_uhbXxk/w-d-xo.html
www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s40.html
Thank you dear teacher
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
Not sure what your asking ?
2:58 so if I'm a turning lane at an intersection I can change lanes and go straight instead?
HI , No re 3:16 you have obey all other road rules so if there are unbroken lines you can’t change lane or if in a lane with direction arrows or signs saying you must only left or right you can nit change lanes to go in another direction ie straight , same applies to roundabouts, :)
@@ScottsCarcameras wow didn't expect a reply from an old video especially within minutes to XD, I didn't know you could change lanes in a roundabout I thought you couldn't cause on the learner's test it said you can't until I saw this video and I googled it. apparently google knows the road rules better than the government
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
and what happens if the right lane can also turn left you are suposed to remain in the lane you entered the left turn in
Also who has Right of way at Round about
In small outback towns, it's mandatory for cars with brakes to giveway.
Melbourne or Sydney which is better in this case?
as in who is the better drivers ?
@@ScottsCarcameras in which I can drive nicely? I mean which is more comfortable?
They're ALL misunderstood or not understood at all! LOL!
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with .
I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable?
In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
You are right about the Amber light, no such thing as a Yellow light. You get a green tick. Great work, Cheers
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
Well, I learned something re the petrol station! I was always "told" it was illegal. Is there a reference for that?
yes and no , so there isnt a road book with a diagram of a petrol station showing you how to drive through one :) but as you may be aware how the law works is that dont list what is legal , just what illegal and if its not in the offence list you can do , i can give you a link to the offence list if you want to it, the subject is covered under "road related areas and adjacent land" i will give you some links on that and if you have any other questions or things can help with on it let me know www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s74.html
www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s11.html#road_related_areawww.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s26.html#adjacent_land
Great, thanks for the links, I'll have a good read! I thought it might have been something like that, rather than something specific.
I think the petrol station issue will depend on the owners asserting (or not) their right that the forecourt is not a public right of way - probably not a statute law issue. I've seen signs at petrol stations telling people not to use the forecourt to avoid the traffic lights in Melbourne and Brisbane. Someone having an accident on a forecourt and not having purchased anything could easily have any insurance claim denied as they were not acting lawfully. The same issue applies to privately owned car parks, they usually have notices saying that entry is governed by their terms and conditions. Council owned car parks are usually considered to be part of the road network and all normal road rules apply.
Hi FYI , I that's how it's works , place may put signs to ask people not to drive through , but any place that allows public traffic is subject to the same rules as on the road , petrol station example l same as large shopping centre carpark , if a crash happens still ruled at fault via road llaws and re insurance no there is no "unlawful act " as drving through is not illegal , purchase irrelevant, same you pull into a McDonald's carpark to se the bath room and have a crash , you haven't purchased anything ! Yes private property different , but private property with public access falls under state road rules , hope that explains
A petrol station I know has bollards in it. It's not possible to use it to by-pass the lights. If you pull into it before the lights, the only exit is the way you came in. The other half of the station is after the lights, and can not be accessed from before the lights. Guess they got fed up being used as a drive-through.
Thanks mate
Would rather have you speak in these type of videos
At 0:52 you enter the roundabout in left hand lane, at 0:53 you indicate to change lanes, why? the people entering the roundabout see your right hand indicator on and might presume you are exiting right, this causes them to brake unnecessarily. You are in essence "straight lining" the roundabout, leave your lane change until after the roundabout. It may be legal, inconvenient for others.
HI , indicated because that’s the law you must indicate before change lanes :) if other see it they will know I’m changing lanes but can’t go right as they lane arrows only allow me to go Straight, and the other drivers but brake on approach to a roundabout that’s the law too so would affect them any way :)
Great drivers ed. videos.
Great TH-cam Channel.
HINT:
Best to utilise the terminology 'Correct' rather than 'Right' in your graphics to avoid any possible confusion.
Cheers.
Ausbipolar Bear thanks , and thanks for the feedback
Ausibipolar I knew what he meant....
Through petrol station is illegal in victoria, except you stopped for shopping or oil filling
Hi FYI no myth , same law Australia wide all class as road related area , any public thoroughfare is allowed to be driven through
Can a car in the left lane turn right at an intersection with no markings?
Hello No you can not , see link i covered it in Vol 3 :) th-cam.com/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/w-d-xo.html
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
Wenlocktvdx the term lazy springs to mind
I dont know either really annoying.
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
oh no i'll get the pedestrians a fucking waaahhmbulance....
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Turning to take either lane... At 1:32 the diagram shows a green and a blue car both turning right into 3 lanes. Why does the blue car get to choose which lane it wants while the green car is shown with only the closest lane as the turn option?
Hi , in that example they show that setup , in the real road there will be dash lines on the road showing what lane or lane you can turn into , in these setups they typically do it this way to allow large vehicles ie trucks , buses to use two lanes for easier turning and but there are setups where green car would have tow lanes to turn into and it would be shows on the road with lines and/or with signs :)
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
@@ScottsCarcameras That was from the RTA handbook at the time. But the handbook was not as thorough on the rules as the rules you show in your vids.
don't have you have a copy do you , legislation copies i have but not older handbooks , may see if they can be found :)
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
@@ScottsCarcameras It was from Stay Upright motorcycle training in Braeside.
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
The Amber light on your car is an indicator not a postscript..
the left lane is for when u want to turn left or go straight in a roundabout thnx
No always depends on what the setup of the roundabout is . How many lanes , exits etc
Hi Scott's can you make an better explanation and what I'd there's only a single way you cab turn right at 2:30 thanks
Hello sorry i cant understand your question what a 2:30 did you not understand ?
@@ScottsCarcameras hi no I don't quite understand, I'm new to this so please forgive me, but at 2:30 when you want to turn right, there's 2 lanes you can turn into, what if there's only 1 lane you can turn into and do you have to yield to that car?
@@ScottsCarcameras please help me with this as I would really appreciate it, remember helping one is helping all, I will also do the same, teaching other people ❤️
Hi Yield to what car ?
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW.
Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY.
Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane.
You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes.
Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers.
But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic
1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57
2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane ,
3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules ,
see links :)
www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html
would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
There are a couple of corners where I cut through a servo quite regularly, always thought I was in the wrong now I can do it without feeling guilty.
It might not be illegal, but it should be.
You could create a whole series of these! Oh good...
yes there is a vol 2 available if you haven't watched it and my driver education series , and im working on vol 3 with 5 more rules it will be out very soon :)
Thanks I just failed because of the round about signalling u teached
taught
@@laurenskee88 failed English too 😄
The last one is interesting. Where I live (in the States), it's 100% illegal to do that whether one is crossing public or private property. It's considered evasion of traffic control, and though it doesn't happen often around me, I have seen it enforced once.
Yeah I complete see how is would be illegal in concept , but impractical to police as , say I drove into a "Gas Station " and realised I left my wallet at home , and so I can't stop for gas and drive out to go around the block to go home and get my wallet and come back , prove that's not the case , or how long do you have to stop for , drive in wait 30 seconds and then go , are you still evading traffic control ? , I know it's a stupid non inportant thing , I just find it funny how you can't technically say you are doing something wrong , have a good one ,
Well, in the case I witnessed it was actually the lot of a restaurant. The lot is very narrow, and collisions of any variety wouldn't require much effort; at best, people who were patronizing the restaurant would be completely prevented from leaving their parking spaces if the lot were constantly used to avoid the stoplight. So when that particular driver pulled in and never touched the brakes or swerved as though to park, what was going on was pretty obvious and the cop went right after. But the uncertainty you mention is no doubt why that's the only instance I've seen-I doubt too many people who cruise through a service station to avoid a light actually get caught.
Despite the fact that the lane on the left side is clearly blocked due to many parking spots, there is a brazen driver who refuses to line up on the right side and overtakes the vehicle on the right side in the left lane before cutting into the right lane. It is Australia's own crazy rules.
In reference to what in teh video ?
how to right turn into 5 or 6 lanes??
Simple instead to Turning into 1,2,3,or 4 you pick 5 or 6 :)
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal.
Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting.
Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly.
And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
RE point 4: "depending on setup" is key. Many have a dashed line
yes some do , but most single lane setups dont , its usally only if there is two or more lanes turning , or a uncommon intersection, law is no matter what the road rules are , lane markings or signs are ultimate rule to follow
When turning from a single lane to a multi lane road, it is prudence to stay to the nearest lane to which you have turned. If you turn from a side street into a 3 lane road, and go straight to the right hand lane, you have changed lanes. Have you indicated that you are diverging right??? Could you be written up for an offence? As, when people are diverging right, they still have the left hand blinker on, and vice versa.
The other point to look at is courtesy on the road. By staying in the nearest lane from where you have turned, this should, in theory, allow other oncoming vehicles to go into the other lane, thereby improving traffic flow, and reducing travelling times. So, feeding from a single lane cross road into a 2 or more laned road, traffic turning left should go to the left most lane, and change lanes when safe to do so, and right turning traffic should go to the right most lane, and chanbe lanes when it is safe to do so. The only exception to this thinking is a long vehicle making a turn. They are generally too long to keep to the one lane, so they have to use the next lane over to get the back of the vehicle around the corner without cutting the corner, but, they should aim to finish up in the lanes as was described above.
Hi FYI NO thats was all incorrect the law literally states you can turn into any and you are not changing lanes while turning as there is only one lane the one you are turning from the point made in the video and shown so NO so there is no offence you can be written up for and its good driving practice to do this as it reduces lane changes later which can impede traffic flow and traffic from other directions plus cut off drive behind you that are going straight into the other lane , also if its short distance there is no time change lanes , thats why the rule exists :) have a nice weekend
Thanks
Extra idea!
Can anyone tell me why are we seeing more n more drivers making a left hand turn from the centre lane of 3 laned roads?
They're bloody lazy and / or impatient, that's what !
Have you done one yet on DON'T BLOODY TURN IN FRONT OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC!!!
Yes th-cam.com/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/w-d-xo.html
Its an interesting spotlight on the differences between rules in different states.
I learned to drive in Nsw and then moved to Qld where rules differ slightly.
On roundabouts its the same for lane changes though while inadvisable it is technically legal provided all normal lane change rules are followed.
Qld rules on straight line use of roundabouts is to not indicate when entering and to indicate left when exiting - when I learned it was to use no indication when driving through. As this was the old rule Qld police seem happy to accept either option still..
Lately though I have noticed an increase in drivers indicating right when entering and left when exiting roundabouts which is incredibly irritating as it slows traffic flow with a false signal. Dont know if this is a strange rule from interstate or just peoples ignorance 😂
For Yellow lights/ arrows it is the same though the driver can drive through the yellow if they deem that it is "unsafe" to stop before it.
On the driving through service stations thing while that's technically legal again as long as normal signs rules are followed it is likely to attract you the displeasure of other road users.
I'll add that in Qld the road rules do state that any traffic on the road is Not required to give way to traffic entering from a driveway or service station so any accident caused by the entering traffic puts them squarely at fault unless its an emergency vehicle.
Think you could run half a video just on U Turn rules 😂 in Qld they are many and varied.
Hi Shannon to clarify for you there are very few rule differences between the states , re roundabout rule they are the same in all of Australia and have never been different , if going straight no indicator and indicate left on exit if practicable , same all states not changed , just people doing it wrong .
re yellows lights in all states , yes only stop if able to safely.
re the give way , that again is standard for all states vehicle the from a road related area to a road must give way ,
re Uturns QLD rules are the same as all other states no variations , VIC is the only place that as a variation on one rule , covered this on another vide see link :) th-cam.com/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/w-d-xo.html
Looks like I should get a new copy of the QLD traffic act and check these out. Examples 4, 3 and 1 were definitely illegal in my 1986 edition.
Hi , well I haven’t read back to 1986 , but for you state QLD these rules were current from at least 1995 , So can’t say if they were changed were just misunderstood;)
But this is why with varying age drivers everyone need to stay update :)
@@ScottsCarcameras
It amazes me that the transport department can slip advertising into the envelope with our annual registration renewal but have never included rules updates.
Please describe motorcycle filtering rules for QLD. So many people don't know it's legal and use their car to obstruct riders legally filtering.
Hi , i actually have a video on lane filtering please see link , the only differences are in Qld riders are allowed to use the shoulder on roads where the speed limit is 90kmh or more id the rider and traffic is going under 30kmh , ( riders cant use shoulder at all in NSW) and in Qld they have Bicycle storage areas at intersections where bike riders are allowed to use them , in NSW there are no areas like that and riders must always stay behind the line at the intersection, hope this helps :)th-cam.com/video/A-K6JTeAuLc/w-d-xo.html
www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/motorcycle
I have always understood that driving through the servo is trespass. Not covered by road rules, true, but still illegal.
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
Might be legal to go through a petrol station in some states, but it's really not a good idea to encourage it.
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green.
Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you?
Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well?
Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ?
:)
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@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information.
I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches.
I was told I was partly at fault also.
I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light.
Havagooday
Greg
I would like to see how these differ from state to state considering this was all filmed in NSW. I know that certain rules change from state to state.
For example in Vic you can perform a u-turn at a set of traffic lights, unless it is signed as no u-turns. In some other states this is an illegal and you can be fined for it.
Maybe not the best advice to give if it is illegal in other states outside NSW. Maybe you could posted which states allow these manoeuvres where possible as not to create confusion with different states road rules.
Hi this has been taken into account , the video notes at the start this is off NSW but all the rules in this video are the same in all states and territories in Australia . the only note is a slight variation on the change lanes in intersection rule in WA only :)
@@ScottsCarcameras Thanks for the reply and the information. If I failed to mention it. I liked the video. Keep them coming.
It was illegal to drive through fuel stations in Victoria at one stage but I think it was changed when they unified a lot of rules nationally.
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious.
Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
Think you find that's a myth but if you a source reference please share :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In the US they term it avoiding a traffic control signal.
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
It's really weird for left steering wheel driver to see the aus drive ways.
@5:10, the car through the station did not stop before re-entering the roadway. Is that legal in NSW? It is not in the countries I have driven in (Europe, Asia, USA, Canada)
Thank you for your reply. We call it "Yield" and you call it "Give way". OK, so now bring us a vid of idiots who do not know what "Give way" means when re-entering the road way.... Of course, that is why you are required to stop in MOST countries... because people are idiots.... I admit to moments when i join that group of people . Cheers.....
Welcome , take care
By the way, all of this is the big reason I did not drive while visiting for six months a few years back. Mostly I was afraid of forgetting which side of the road I was supposed to be driving on. But the rules are (often, not usually) different from the USA. I was thinking that, if I was going to drive, then I should spend a day with a driving instructor instead of just using the international DL and forging ahead. Never did drive there and was fortunate to have a lot of friends while there...
Cheers.
david beckenbaugh well that's no fun , I remember the first time I drove in the USA , turning left the first time going into the other side of the road felt so wrong , and I was wondering why I kept getting horns at me every right turn until I guessed it's right turn any time , managed to only turn the wrong way once so was proud lol
Ha! Lots of fun having beautiful blonde Australian women driving me around. You should try it sometime....
In the meantime, maybe you can hep me with a misunderstanding on my part. I watch the British road cop shows on youtube and, often at the end when they review the cases/people they run into, they say the person received a "Police caution". OK, so what does that do for the person that received it? Is it just a record where if they do something minor that they would get a "Don't do that again but I am letting you go", they now have this record and they get a citation for the minor occurrence? I know Australia is NOT Britain, but I am thinking much of the terminology is the same. Maybe a viewer can reply, also. We sometimes get excellent replies, though you have to weed through a lot from people who have no idea.
Anyway.... Your thoughts?
Scott one day I'm going to successfully video a particular set of roundabouts and send it to you.
are they elusive ? move a lot ? is that why you haven't been successful in videoing them ? ;)
Nah nothing like that, the Camera chooses then to stop and backup/save what's been recorded. It's a timing issue!
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane
27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
(1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road.
Maximum penalty-20 penalty units.
(1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area.
Note-
Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary.
(1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule.
(2) In this rule-
road does not include a road related area.
Note 1-
Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary.
Note 2-
Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13.
Example-
Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
and the same for the right turn
Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
HI got you covered on that please see link and let me know what you think :)th-cam.com/video/MGQLghn5FlY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks mate. :o) I just watched it. Is it supposed to be only a 6 second video or is there something wrong ?
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
Will do, thanks :o)
its fixed now :)
Actually the yellow light you have to slow down and if it is safe to do so then stop but if it’s not then u can go through it
Hi Hayleigh no the point of the video was it works the opposite way to way you said , you must stop for a yellow light unless its not safe to stop as in you cant stop in time / are already to close to the line , make sense ? :)