@@julesroy He was wrong. The previous enslaved nations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and especially Poland had every right to seek and want NATO membership. And would have been crazy to not seek and join it. Ditto the other subsequent members. As I used to say during the Cold War - F Russia. And F VVP’s neo-fascism and efforts to restore a version of the USSR. And yeah, F the damn Globalists too.
@@julesroy The American education has been subverted for years. The Democrat Party's goal is to create an ignorant underclass that keeps them in power and are easy to control.
There is an excellent book named The Wise Men about 6 men that served every President from FDR to Nixon and Kennen is one of those 6. Seriously good book.
Listen, man. I can't tell you just how good this series is. This stuff totally affected all of us right up until today, but few understand how those simple ideals crashed so hard against each other. Right up to it, toe-to-toe to the nearly very end? And everything since?! So, preach it, man!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love that my favourite Cold War history content creators, this channel and the Cold War Conversations podcast, support one another. Keep up the good work and kudos to the both of ya!
@@TheColdWarTV Thank you so much for responding to my comment. That being said, can you please make two more videos, one about Argentina under the rule of Juan Peron, and another one about Thailand during the Cold War. Thank you very much.
Man...looking at the events of today and the actions of Russia, it's kinda hard to argue with what Mr. Keenan saw all those many years ago. I grew up in the tail end of the Cold War. I well remember the boogeyman that was always in the back of people's minds up until the day the Berlin Wall fell and the collapse of the Soviet Union. I've studied Russian culture and world history as a hobbie for many years. What always struck me was the fact that the mentality of Russian superiority and pride - which was a core basis of the Soviet Union - never really left Russia. So we're did all the scary former Soviets go? The obvious answer is they didn't go anywhere. They just shifted tactics and have slowly been reintroducing the old school Soviet mentality. We're now seeing the opening days of a resurgent Soviet ideology. This move by Putin is blatantly aggressive and probably the most destabilizing event in terms of world security since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
You should pay better attention when studying. The Cuban missile crisis? That was absolutely America's fault. Kennedy broke a deal and snuck nukes into Turkey. And the current war in Ukraine??? THAT'S also America's, and NATO's fault. We made a deal with Russia to get their half of Germany. We got it, and then we started breaking out word. This is not Russia's fault. And you've been lied to your whole life. Here's a 4 minute video from 12 years ago. It perfectly explains why Russia is stomping around in Ukraine today. th-cam.com/video/mciLyG9iexE/w-d-xo.html Also, you're being lied to constantly about the Russians in Ukraine. Incompetent???? The Russians sent 200,000 troops to a country with a million troops. Considering the Russian loses, the Russians are literally outnumbered *6 to 1* and they're not exactly losing are they? How incompetent are they exactly??? And that ship the Ukrainians claim to have sunk? Where the American Military satellite coverage of the missile strikes??? You're a fellow Cold war baby(I was born in '70), so I know you remember the Gulf war in '90. The American Military was proud to show off their sexy looking satellite coverage. Way out in the desert. But now, our military is acting like it doesn't even own a satellite. LMAO Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Would be interesting to see a video on the topic of Albania's withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact and the brutal isolationist stance the regime took following Stalin's death, as well as its approach with China and further isolation after relations soured.
@blackapple89er You think? Because it seems to me he took an incredibly hard-line position. And at least in this video there is not alot presented that supports his view.
Riiiight, so the invasion of Hungary in 1956 never happened? What about the Prague Spring in 1968? The Berlin Wall was built to keep the immigrants from the west trying to enter the commie utopia...and the Afghanistan war(the first one) was just..."nation building"?
@@johnl.7754 Perhaps. But for a little bit of optimism, you should checkout Polymatter's YT videos China's Reckoning. Even if America lacks the courage to confront China, Beijing could be its own undoing.
"Yes, I'm a gamer and no, I won't go to therapy." I'm with you there. I see gaming as the therapy. LOL As to the video itself. I'm sure that some will see MAD as a successful strategy until the collapse of the Soviet Union, brake up of Warsaw Pact, and the reunification of Germany. I'm one who sees the scars of the Cold War as still left untreated and need further healing.
@@mcdonaldsburntchickennugge8231 for sure but on a path they would have to chose their side early or later. Even Japan and Taiwan both may be strongly affected by the China's rise and end up in its economic and industrial sphere of influence. Especially when America is shrinking its ties abroad.
@@impaugjuldivmax I'll have to disagree. The Cold War was a specific period of spy vs counterespionage. During this period nuclear weapon secrets, military assets, delivery technologies were what was being fought over including undermining civilian support by antiwar front movements. It also including a few hot spots communist governments were established and overthrown. The current period is less intense on the human asset realm, and more intense on the internet, economic, and terrorist realm. It is still a battle over ideology but the battlefield itself has changed. IMHO
@@stevelenores5637 what you say is just a bigger scale. in 200-300 years there should be an interplanetary spying and operations between rivals, which doesnt make a smaller conflicts less significant.
8:27 Nixon and the far left were more in-sync than you think. Whether it was the wage and price controls he imposed, the welfare state he expanded, or the creation of regulatory bodies like the EPA and OSHA, it's hard to see Nixon as a conservative in a post-Reagan environment.
No Reagan was just a far right fanatic, he destroyed and deindustralized americas economy and funded numerous genocidal fascists. Reagan one of the 21st centuries biggest mass murderers. Most of Americas modern problems from deindistralization, collapsing infrastructure, sky rocketing, abysmal public health results, hyper wealth stratification, hollowed out middle class, skyrocketing military industrial complex, castrated unions can be traced directly back to the butcher Reagan and his neoliberal reforms.
The Cold War, could you make a video about Soviet-Finnish relations, finlandization, censorship and the notorious "Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance? Great video as always, keep up the good work!
We don't really know "what did happen" in the past, so speculation on "what if we had done rollback or isolationism instead of containment" is fantasy football. What did happen during the containment strategy? Was World War Three averted because of that strategy? Or was Containment the War?
"Kennan outlined that Stalin needed an exterior enemy at all times to justify his autocratic rule." Kennan said no such thing. The word "autocratic/autocracy" isn't in there at all, and Stalin is hardly mentioned at all. Kennan traces the origins of post-war Soviet foreign policy back to a traditional Russian sense of insecurity combined with the effects of Marxist-Leninist ideology, not to the whim of a single man. Did you guys actually read the telegram before writing this episode?
Even though autocracy does not appear in the text, George Kennan made very clear that no compromise would be made between Russian rulers and outside world because Russians rulers are fearful of the influence from outside world.
The USA was isolationist till WWI. We never wanted to take part in that but we did. It was settled. We went back to being ourselves and then we were dragged unwillingly into WWII. For dragging us in we decided to give it our all. Our all meant ending the war once and for all. Because the unwilling party was also the winner we made it very clear that the world actions were so horrible that the only way forward was to have the level headed unwilling participant who victories above all parties absolutely should have the most say, the most power and the most expansion. You lost your right to govern when you attempted to destroy multiple nations. So you can’t be trusted. We can.
Speaking of books, it sucks you have to get ads for bad mobile games instead of Audible. Imagine every episode, you could recommend a book to "read" about the topic on Audible.
The Zimmerman telegram of 1917 is probably the only other truly influential telegram of World History. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
@@brokenbridge6316 It's a telegram sent in 1870 by Bismark to Napoleon III that was put in a way that in German it sounded like the French had insulted the Prussian King, but in French it sounded like it had insulted their emperor. It caused Napoleon III to declare war, which led to a Prussian victory and the subsequent unification of Germany in 1871. It also meant that Germany annexed Alsace and Lorraine (they had a German minority), which started a nationalistic rivalry between France and Germany that made sure they were enemies in WW1. So all in all, it is the reason for Germany's reunification as well as the rivalry that, in part, escalated into WW1, which leads directly to the birth of totalitarian regimes and WW2.
Rollback was the right call and would have worked. Perhaps not all the way to Moscow but at least to the Soviet borders. However it would only have worked until the 1949 Soviet getting of the Bomb. Thank God for George kennan.
I only read the Long Telegram recently, and my take away was that Kennan was describing the Soviets as using communism as a means of implementing previous Russian ideologies. Really interesting that he went on later to blame Marxism rather than the mindset of the Russian leadership. I think you can see a lot of what Kennan wrote about in the Long Telegram with the current Russian regime, which is more outright fascist than anything else.
wow, has it already been 2 years? I'm not going to lie David, I didn't like your speaking style at the very beginning, no offense. But I've come to appreciate and like your calm voice while narrating these videos. Although I think some of the badly delivered jokes could still use some work D:
I've been a poor uni student...I understand! And I think the channel (and my presenting) has developed a LOT since we first launched. It has come with practice and experience; for me, this channel is the first time I've ever presented anything for camera. We have learned a lot! as for the badly delivered jokes? I doubt those will ever go away :)
@@TheColdWarTV Hey I've been binging your videos of Cold War and K&G for the past 2 years. Yes, I'm a uni student right now and I promise that I'll be buying you guys a few beers once I get the job. Thank you so much for posting these amazing videos :-)
@@TheColdWarTV I have to say that it has definitely improved. I've more or less binged the videos up to this point over the past.. week and a half? The early episodes felt very monotone (I guess?), or just a bit dry. But it has definitely improved since then. The little quips here and there are great, even if the jokes might not always land, it brings you attention back to the video, (especially if you're binging it in the background like I do).
5:48 Same with Hiyler, the difference being that he believed the nation needed a constant state of war to justify the party and government's decisions.
All authoritarians think alike. If they do not have enemies, they need to invent a few. Same goes with some centralist powers of today. What we see today, and how our response will be, will be a mirror image of what happened with the USSR.
As I see US is now using the same approach to contain Russia and China. It doesn’t seem adequate for me because this 2 countries has totally different motives in involvement in international affairs. And they are from economic perspective much like US and in any way similar to USSR. In the end why USSR really fail? Not because it wasn’t multiparty democracy, but because it wasn’t capitalistic free market economy. And both China and Russia would like to be free market economies. And second to that USSR was even central planning economy, which is even further blunder. Economic failure of USSR hold its progress and not some US containment policy. And also the fact that in 1950 US has 40% world GDP.
It's amazing that Ronald Reagan found a way to defeat the Soviet Union without firing a shot: outspend them. Khrushchev stated IN HIS OWN BIOGRAPHY that if America decided to outspend the Soviets on their military, it would force socialism to collapse. He did that.
That was decided in the post-Sputnik hysteria to boost US credibility. But the first Jupiter missiles were not placed in Turkey until April 1961 under JFK. By that time, they were already obsolete as the Atlas ICBM was operational as well as the Polaris SLBM.
Do you have any plans to cover the anti-communist slaughter in Indonesia of '65-'66? The Jakarta Method covers this well, but it was too depressing for me to finish.
I like this channel's format and use of archival footage but I have noticed an Anti-American slant in most of your videos. George Kennan's "Screed" @5:40 was a result of his direct knowledge of the Holodomor, The Great Purge, and The Katyn Forest Massacre. Koba was nothing but a Blood Stained Criminal that used The Bolshevik Revolution and Mass Murder to reinvent himself as "Stalin". Great Britain supposedly went to war to Free Poland - Hitler Never would have Invaded without the Secret Protocol dividing Poland with The USSR - but only Ribbentrop saw the end of a rope, not Molotov who signed on behalf of his master in The Kremlin. I have no doubt the Soviets would have enslaved all of Europe without the American Atomic Monopoly and The USAAF following the defeat of Nazi Germany, one only has to look at their Post War behavior to know that.....
Ah, so we pull back and let the USSR invade all of them and accumulate so much power that we can't possibly defeat them? So you're pro-Soviet, and that's no better than being pro-American.
@@MA-go7ee what security threat are Germany or Japan facing today? US is just controlling the country with their precence over there if the so called democracy fails in those countries.
"Stalin needed an exterior enemy at all times to justify his autocratic rule" So little has changed in Kremlin's foreign policies from those times, hehe
It's early going, but I can already see how this thread will take a depressing turn. Americans will continue to ignore the paymasters of their politicians, while Russians continue to accommodate those with expansionist designs on their far eastern territory. Our mutual enemy is having a good laugh at our idiocy.
@@andrewfusco8580 oh believe me, on the Russian state TV China is a solid friend of Russia. Putin and Russian oligarchy will be happy for Russia to bacome a vassal of China if that's what will keep them in power. They don't care, as if people in Russia has ever been anything more than a disposable, easily replaceable resource.
But at the same time they'll keep hating on the US and the West at large, despite the fact that the West is looong past its expansionist phase and is ready to compromise beyond belief, Chamberlain-style, to accommodate Russia. If anything, the sentiment of isolationism in the West is prevailing and gaining momentum.
The Kennan Document and the Truman Doctrine were both successful and counter-productive. His primary flaw was the assumption that the "flavor" of Communism that he experienced under the Despotic Rule of Stalin ( and later Mao ) was a homogenized and monochromatic system. The reality was that as Communism emerged in Post War Italy, France, Greece, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam, this one size fits all policy of containment had worked successfully in some cases, and in others not so and at huge costs in Blood and Treasure. Vietnam is an example of where a more nuanced policy of allowing the popular Communist movement would have yielded significant results with no war, whereas Korea was an example of an appropriate application of the containment policy.
@@chriss780 would you rather North Korea had taken over? And in terms of civilian deaths in South Korea, the South Korean government was anti-communist to such a virulent degree that it’s actions against its own citizens resulted in 100,000+ deaths of “collaborators “, both real and imagined, the actions of North Korea against South Korean citizens resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead didn’t help matters either. While the Air Force practically pummeled the country of North Korea to the Stone Age, definitely overkill. Everybody was to blame there.
@@chriss780 Then the entire country would be one miserable starving shithole under Kim, instead of the success story South Korea is right now, and the despotic disaster the North is.....is that what you want? I think most South Koreans would disagree, and or privately, most North Koreans wouldn’t wish their government on South Koreans either.
@@Barabel22 "everyboyds to blame their" is what i was answering. and most south koreans want an end to the us military occupation, south korean doesn't even have operational command of the its own military, the us does, its a colony in the 60s 25% of the countries gdp was prostitution for us occupiers. it basically functioned as giant whorehouse for the us, and the right wing military dictatorship happily pimped out their people military.wikia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military they dealt with their people with exceptional brutality en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising only one of these was carried about by the north en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Korea books banned in sk military in which service is mandatory content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2029378,00.html us also pardoned the japanesse unit 731 in return for access for the biological weapons research they got from horrific experiments on korean and chinese people, it then used that for germ warfare during korean war medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54 south korea only became a democracy in the 90s, before that and collapse of the soviet union trade with north, living standards north and south were similar, now south is technically a democracy but they only recently outed the president who was daughter of the dictators North is as paranoid and insular dictatorship as it is because the us bombed their country into rubble during the war and killed a great part of their population immediately post independence from japan (us south korean puppet government used japanese infrastructure, collaborators, and colonial police to help control the south at first) yes south korea has a better economy and more freedom since the 90s, but the story isn't as simple as us likes to tell, which always conveniently leaves out their own enormous crimes
Interesting that we went to help the Vietnamese people against their will. I wonder why so many came to the US and not Canada after the Communist conquered S. Vietnam? Try talking with a Vietnamese American whether or not it was against their will.
LOL This world has been multipolar since civilization and trade have been a thing. Well over 12,000 years. Don't know where you got your date from, but it's off by a "few" millenia.
As a Cold War veteran and current resident of the "Post Cold War Era" I can state, without reservation, that the last 30 years have been a disaster for traditional western values and society in general. The Communists in academia and in government have been allowed to do their work uninhibited, thanks to an allied media of leftists that cheer-on every victory of socialism and rise to condemn any effort to thwart the march of the authoritarian regime they advocate. They will find me and my comrades in the Mountains, hills and hollows and plains of the REAL America. If you're reading this from some other country, this doesn't apply to you. If you live in the United States of America............. Choose your side, because we will soon be splitting -up........................
In1991 several russian historian did admit to american scholar stalin instigate cold war.and did not start in 1945 but in 1939 the molotov rubbentrop treaty.
this video failed to complitly explain US behavior and tendencies towards the USSR simply by disconsidering the previous actions, during the 1917-1939 against the USSR, kinda oversimplifies and leave a taste of US igenuity and innocence. And "acusations of empire building" come on, really, just accusations. There is a fine line between trying to be centered on the information and just ignoring the rest of the world around it.
You can’t fit everything into a 12 minute video. That’s why they make multiple videos. There are people who accuse the U.S. of empire building to this day. Many people disagree. That’s why he said accusations. Some people say that. Some people disagree. That’s all he said. But it’s a topic of discussion.
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And to Think George Kennan live to see the end of the Cold War and continue to live until the Mid 2000s!
@@miguelflores1754 lol
I remember him in the 90s being outspoken in his opposition to NATO expansion. He was right.
@@julesroy
He was wrong.
The previous enslaved nations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and especially Poland had every right to seek and want NATO membership. And would have been crazy to not seek and join it. Ditto the other subsequent members.
As I used to say during the Cold War - F Russia.
And F VVP’s neo-fascism and efforts to restore a version of the USSR.
And yeah, F the damn Globalists too.
@@williamgill_esq.6487 Any foreign occupier would be preferable to philistine ("math is racist") 'woke' America.
@@julesroy The American education has been subverted for years. The Democrat Party's goal is to create an ignorant underclass that keeps them in power and are easy to control.
There is an excellent book named The Wise Men about 6 men that served every President from FDR to Nixon and Kennen is one of those 6. Seriously good book.
Listen, man. I can't tell you just how good this series is. This stuff totally affected all of us right up until today, but few understand how those simple ideals crashed so hard against each other. Right up to it, toe-to-toe to the nearly very end? And everything since?! So, preach it, man!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love that my favourite Cold War history content creators, this channel and the Cold War Conversations podcast, support one another. Keep up the good work and kudos to the both of ya!
The Cold War, can you please make a video on West Germany's post-war economic miracle. Thank you very much.
already in the works...
@@TheColdWarTV Thank you so much for responding to my comment. That being said, can you please make two more videos, one about Argentina under the rule of Juan Peron, and another one about Thailand during the Cold War. Thank you very much.
@@ekmalsukarno2302 may as well throw in Laos!!!!
'Miracle'
Man...looking at the events of today and the actions of Russia, it's kinda hard to argue with what Mr. Keenan saw all those many years ago.
I grew up in the tail end of the Cold War. I well remember the boogeyman that was always in the back of people's minds up until the day the Berlin Wall fell and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
I've studied Russian culture and world history as a hobbie for many years. What always struck me was the fact that the mentality of Russian superiority and pride - which was a core basis of the Soviet Union - never really left Russia.
So we're did all the scary former Soviets go? The obvious answer is they didn't go anywhere. They just shifted tactics and have slowly been reintroducing the old school Soviet mentality.
We're now seeing the opening days of a resurgent Soviet ideology. This move by Putin is blatantly aggressive and probably the most destabilizing event in terms of world security since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
You should pay better attention when studying.
The Cuban missile crisis?
That was absolutely America's fault. Kennedy broke a deal and snuck nukes into Turkey.
And the current war in Ukraine???
THAT'S also America's, and NATO's fault.
We made a deal with Russia to get their half of Germany. We got it, and then we started breaking out word.
This is not Russia's fault. And you've been lied to your whole life.
Here's a 4 minute video from 12 years ago. It perfectly explains why Russia is stomping around in Ukraine today.
th-cam.com/video/mciLyG9iexE/w-d-xo.html
Also, you're being lied to constantly about the Russians in Ukraine.
Incompetent????
The Russians sent 200,000 troops to a country with a million troops. Considering the Russian loses, the Russians are literally outnumbered *6 to 1* and they're not exactly losing are they?
How incompetent are they exactly???
And that ship the Ukrainians claim to have sunk?
Where the American Military satellite coverage of the missile strikes???
You're a fellow Cold war baby(I was born in '70), so I know you remember the Gulf war in '90. The American Military was proud to show off their sexy looking satellite coverage. Way out in the desert. But now, our military is acting like it doesn't even own a satellite. LMAO
Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Yikes dude
This time I was this early, I arrived before the Cold War began! :)
Would be interesting to see a video on the topic of Albania's withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact and the brutal isolationist stance the regime took following Stalin's death, as well as its approach with China and further isolation after relations soured.
But the main question on this topic remains unanswered: was Kennan correct about soviet/stalin intentions at the time, or was he an extremist crank?
@blackapple89er You think? Because it seems to me he took an incredibly hard-line position. And at least in this video there is not alot presented that supports his view.
Riiiight, so the invasion of Hungary in 1956 never happened? What about the Prague Spring in 1968? The Berlin Wall was built to keep the immigrants from the west trying to enter the commie utopia...and the Afghanistan war(the first one) was just..."nation building"?
The same strategy Kennan advocated in the telegram is now being used against China - but only time will tell if the strategy creates the same results.
Probably too little too late with Chinas GDP almost the same as USA and with wealth comes global influence.
@@johnl.7754 Perhaps. But for a little bit of optimism, you should checkout Polymatter's YT videos China's Reckoning. Even if America lacks the courage to confront China, Beijing could be its own undoing.
What we haven't achieved in the USSR, China will, with lessons learned
The same strategy SHOULD be used against China
But remember that your reputation is pretty bad already...
Pragmatism will play out. But if you lot mess up again, it will become a point of no return
Truman's NSC memo 48 was that telegram put into formal policy.
NSC-68
NSC-68 is more extreme than the long telegram
"Yes, I'm a gamer and no, I won't go to therapy." I'm with you there. I see gaming as the therapy. LOL
As to the video itself. I'm sure that some will see MAD as a successful strategy until the collapse of the Soviet Union, brake up of Warsaw Pact, and the reunification of Germany. I'm one who sees the scars of the Cold War as still left untreated and need further healing.
cold war never ends.
usa vs ussr, was just another stage. same as big game was in 19th century and in 21st there is asia vs west battle occured
@@impaugjuldivmax not all of asia is against the us mate
@@mcdonaldsburntchickennugge8231 for sure but on a path they would have to chose their side early or later. Even Japan and Taiwan both may be strongly affected by the China's rise and end up in its economic and industrial sphere of influence. Especially when America is shrinking its ties abroad.
@@impaugjuldivmax I'll have to disagree. The Cold War was a specific period of spy vs counterespionage. During this period nuclear weapon secrets, military assets, delivery technologies were what was being fought over including undermining civilian support by antiwar front movements. It also including a few hot spots communist governments were established and overthrown.
The current period is less intense on the human asset realm, and more intense on the internet, economic, and terrorist realm. It is still a battle over ideology but the battlefield itself has changed. IMHO
@@stevelenores5637 what you say is just a bigger scale. in 200-300 years there should be an interplanetary spying and operations between rivals, which doesnt make a smaller conflicts less significant.
One cannot just ignore an evil, you have to actively resist it.
@sineus Ugh! You racist!
And a man wt the middle name of FROST STARTED THE COLD WAR!!??? WHAT ARE THE C ODDS !!!??
8:27 Nixon and the far left were more in-sync than you think. Whether it was the wage and price controls he imposed, the welfare state he expanded, or the creation of regulatory bodies like the EPA and OSHA, it's hard to see Nixon as a conservative in a post-Reagan environment.
Yeah he's just a crook
@@billhanna2148 True. And I didn't even mention his Supreme Court picks -- all of whom, apart from Rehnqhuist were somewhere to the left of Trotsky.
The position of America is worse than the Post Vietnam era.
No Reagan was just a far right fanatic, he destroyed and deindustralized americas economy and funded numerous genocidal fascists. Reagan one of the 21st centuries biggest mass murderers. Most of Americas modern problems from deindistralization, collapsing infrastructure, sky rocketing, abysmal public health results, hyper wealth stratification, hollowed out middle class, skyrocketing military industrial complex, castrated unions can be traced directly back to the butcher Reagan and his neoliberal reforms.
@@chriss780 No truer words bro
The Cold War, could you make a video about Soviet-Finnish relations, finlandization, censorship and the notorious "Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance?
Great video as always, keep up the good work!
I appreciate content like this and I heard that adding comments somehow helps creators.
We don't really know "what did happen" in the past, so speculation on "what if we had done rollback or isolationism instead of containment" is fantasy football. What did happen during the containment strategy? Was World War Three averted because of that strategy? Or was Containment the War?
I love that the thumbnail for this video is the Ad.
Excellent series 💯
Thanks
"Kennan outlined that Stalin needed an exterior enemy at all times to justify his autocratic rule." Kennan said no such thing. The word "autocratic/autocracy" isn't in there at all, and Stalin is hardly mentioned at all. Kennan traces the origins of post-war Soviet foreign policy back to a traditional Russian sense of insecurity combined with the effects of Marxist-Leninist ideology, not to the whim of a single man. Did you guys actually read the telegram before writing this episode?
Even though autocracy does not appear in the text, George Kennan made very clear that no compromise would be made between Russian rulers and outside world because Russians rulers are fearful of the influence from outside world.
This channel is an ib kid's saviour
Do the Video about the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos
The USA was isolationist till WWI. We never wanted to take part in that but we did. It was settled. We went back to being ourselves and then we were dragged unwillingly into WWII. For dragging us in we decided to give it our all. Our all meant ending the war once and for all. Because the unwilling party was also the winner we made it very clear that the world actions were so horrible that the only way forward was to have the level headed unwilling participant who victories above all parties absolutely should have the most say, the most power and the most expansion. You lost your right to govern when you attempted to destroy multiple nations. So you can’t be trusted. We can.
The US population was isolationist in 1941 because we were not isolationist in 1917.
Surely now is the moment to do a video on the КПК of the КПСС. How did the Party discipline and control system work?
Well, Kennan was largely right including considering our presant problem with Putin.
Even to this day, studying Kennan’s long telegram is the sine qua non for understanding Russia, Russians and VV Putin. It is the primer.
🤣🤣🤣 the plays on words be killing me everytime 🤣🤣🤣
Great Video
Nice episode.
That George Kennan poster behind looks nice. You know i can possibly get one?
Could you rearrange the order of the videos in the Cold War playlist? You know, so we start with the first episode rather than the latest. Please!
Can't you invert the order on youtube?
I remember being able to.
@@JonatasAdoM how? I can't do that
Why not just scroll to the bottom and work your way up?
@@URProductions so that it continues flowing from top to bottom lika a book, like everything on TH-cam. Watch later, likes watch lists, etc.
David: "Capitalism and Communism could not co-exist together."
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China:"Hold my beer Comrade."
Except china isn't communist. It's just a fascist capitalist state.
@@HannarrMontannarr which is labeled as communist.
Imagine having to send a 5.000 words telegram.
Come to think of it, how didn't they make any mistakes?
Speaking of books, it sucks you have to get ads for bad mobile games instead of Audible. Imagine every episode, you could recommend a book to "read" about the topic on Audible.
The Zimmerman telegram of 1917 is probably the only other truly influential telegram of World History. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
How about the Ems dispatch? It starts the whole Franco-Prussian rivalry that leads to WW1, which leads to WW2.
@@zhshsG7---Question: What was that all about?
@@brokenbridge6316 It's a telegram sent in 1870 by Bismark to Napoleon III that was put in a way that in German it sounded like the French had insulted the Prussian King, but in French it sounded like it had insulted their emperor.
It caused Napoleon III to declare war, which led to a Prussian victory and the subsequent unification of Germany in 1871. It also meant that Germany annexed Alsace and Lorraine (they had a German minority), which started a nationalistic rivalry between France and Germany that made sure they were enemies in WW1.
So all in all, it is the reason for Germany's reunification as well as the rivalry that, in part, escalated into WW1, which leads directly to the birth of totalitarian regimes and WW2.
@@zhshsG7---I forgot about that. I only read about it at some point. And yeah that telegram was really important. Thanks for reminding me.
@@brokenbridge6316 cheers :)
Good documentary
A monumental man.
Prevented the expansion of the bell button! 🛎
Rollback was the right call and would have worked. Perhaps not all the way to Moscow but at least to the Soviet borders. However it would only have worked until the 1949 Soviet getting of the Bomb. Thank God for George kennan.
I'm going to send a telegram about the bell button.
Thank you
I only read the Long Telegram recently, and my take away was that Kennan was describing the Soviets as using communism as a means of implementing previous Russian ideologies. Really interesting that he went on later to blame Marxism rather than the mindset of the Russian leadership. I think you can see a lot of what Kennan wrote about in the Long Telegram with the current Russian regime, which is more outright fascist than anything else.
so Operation Unthinkable was a "betrayal of the allies" -- Polish people beg to differ. They call Yalta agreement the "Betrayal of the West".
8:22 Gimme a D, gimme a E, gimme a T, gimme a E, gimme a N, gimme a T, gimme a E. What's that spell? DETENTE YAAAA!!!
wow, has it already been 2 years? I'm not going to lie David, I didn't like your speaking style at the very beginning, no offense. But I've come to appreciate and like your calm voice while narrating these videos. Although I think some of the badly delivered jokes could still use some work D:
Also, sorry for never donating, but I'm a uni student right now so..... maybe some day ;(
I've been a poor uni student...I understand! And I think the channel (and my presenting) has developed a LOT since we first launched. It has come with practice and experience; for me, this channel is the first time I've ever presented anything for camera. We have learned a lot!
as for the badly delivered jokes? I doubt those will ever go away :)
@@TheColdWarTV Hey I've been binging your videos of Cold War and K&G for the past 2 years. Yes, I'm a uni student right now and I promise that I'll be buying you guys a few beers once I get the job. Thank you so much for posting these amazing videos :-)
@@TheColdWarTV I have to say that it has definitely improved. I've more or less binged the videos up to this point over the past.. week and a half?
The early episodes felt very monotone (I guess?), or just a bit dry. But it has definitely improved since then. The little quips here and there are great, even if the jokes might not always land, it brings you attention back to the video, (especially if you're binging it in the background like I do).
What model of typewriter is on the desk?
5:48
Same with Hiyler, the difference being that he believed the nation needed a constant state of war to justify the party and government's decisions.
@lati long lol!!!
Jonatas, you're an ameritard
When will we have a video about Broken Arrows and near WWIII events??
Kennan wrote a great book on the Franco Russian alliance
4:00 that’s not George Kennan that’s W Averell Harriman special envoy to the us
One might say that the Containment has been breeched.
All authoritarians think alike. If they do not have enemies, they need to invent a few. Same goes with some centralist powers of today. What we see today, and how our response will be, will be a mirror image of what happened with the USSR.
I wonder when the telegram detailing the chinese will arrive.
I think just replace references to USSR with CCP and Stalin with Xi.
As I see US is now using the same approach to contain Russia and China.
It doesn’t seem adequate for me because this 2 countries has totally different motives in involvement in international affairs. And they are from economic perspective much like US and in any way similar to USSR.
In the end why USSR really fail?
Not because it wasn’t multiparty democracy, but because it wasn’t capitalistic free market economy. And both China and Russia would like to be free market economies.
And second to that USSR was even central planning economy, which is even further blunder.
Economic failure of USSR hold its progress and not some US containment policy. And also the fact that in 1950 US has 40% world GDP.
Does anyone know where that picture of the woman with a finger to her lips comes from? I did a image search but couldn't get an answer
Are y'all gonna cover the new Suez Crisis? 😂
Probably on a new channel called Cold War 2, which would probably be uploaded after a few decades.
I went to the same high school as Kennan... it may explain some of his eccentric behavior. Haha
Didn't know Tito got his schooling on the US.
Do you think you can put an end to the term 'megalomaniac' in connection with MacArthur?
At standard rates, that telegram cost American taxpayers$ 1 million
It's amazing that Ronald Reagan found a way to defeat the Soviet Union without firing a shot: outspend them. Khrushchev stated IN HIS OWN BIOGRAPHY that if America decided to outspend the Soviets on their military, it would force socialism to collapse. He did that.
Is it me or is there a nuclear explosion growing out of his head 😜(mind blown)
are we going to have Algerian war of independence episode ?
Kennan was 100% right
What President put the nukes in Turkey?
That was decided in the post-Sputnik hysteria to boost US credibility. But the first Jupiter missiles were not placed in Turkey until April 1961 under JFK. By that time, they were already obsolete as the Atlas ICBM was operational as well as the Polaris SLBM.
Do you have any plans to cover the anti-communist slaughter in Indonesia of '65-'66? The Jakarta Method covers this well, but it was too depressing for me to finish.
I like this channel's format and use of archival footage but I have noticed an Anti-American slant in most of your videos. George Kennan's "Screed" @5:40 was a result of his direct knowledge of the Holodomor, The Great Purge, and The Katyn Forest Massacre. Koba was nothing but a Blood Stained Criminal that used The Bolshevik Revolution and Mass Murder to reinvent himself as "Stalin". Great Britain supposedly went to war to Free Poland - Hitler Never would have Invaded without the Secret Protocol dividing Poland with The USSR - but only Ribbentrop saw the end of a rope, not Molotov who signed on behalf of his master in The Kremlin. I have no doubt the Soviets would have enslaved all of Europe without the American Atomic Monopoly and The USAAF following the defeat of Nazi Germany, one only has to look at their Post War behavior to know that.....
"Curb Soviet expansionists tendencies."
Please cover the "Blood Telegram"
"General (and megalomaniac) MacArthur..."
It just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?
As a measure of how far we've fallen look at the clowns from the state department the Brandon regime trots out now from Blinken on down
So Kennan was a huge fan of the EU!
Kennan was right.
Thats really wonderful, sir. Now do a number on American imperialism, military bases all over the world and all that shebang.
Ah, so we pull back and let the USSR invade all of them and accumulate so much power that we can't possibly defeat them? So you're pro-Soviet, and that's no better than being pro-American.
@@RonaldReaganRocks1 im not pro-soviet, im pro-independance. There is no ussr. There is instead us
@@MA-go7ee what security threat are Germany or Japan facing today? US is just controlling the country with their precence over there if the so called democracy fails in those countries.
Are you a far right russian nationalist?
@@RonaldReaganRocks1 - The USSR couldn't even run the USSR. It failed not due to Star Wars or Afghanistan but because its economy performed poorly.
This was video was the long telegram. If by ON you mean all of a minute. The telegram was barely mentioned. 😠😠😠
"Suez Crisis'"
Like the one going on RN in RL?
9:11 never happend? well, today EU boundaries lie on that push-back...
"Stalin needed an exterior enemy at all times to justify his autocratic rule"
So little has changed in Kremlin's foreign policies from those times, hehe
Same can be said about the us
@@paungabriel9360 lol.
It's early going, but I can already see how this thread will take a depressing turn. Americans will continue to ignore the paymasters of their politicians, while Russians continue to accommodate those with expansionist designs on their far eastern territory.
Our mutual enemy is having a good laugh at our idiocy.
@@andrewfusco8580 oh believe me, on the Russian state TV China is a solid friend of Russia. Putin and Russian oligarchy will be happy for Russia to bacome a vassal of China if that's what will keep them in power. They don't care, as if people in Russia has ever been anything more than a disposable, easily replaceable resource.
But at the same time they'll keep hating on the US and the West at large, despite the fact that the West is looong past its expansionist phase and is ready to compromise beyond belief, Chamberlain-style, to accommodate Russia. If anything, the sentiment of isolationism in the West is prevailing and gaining momentum.
How 1 angry comment made the world a lot more dangerous.
What's the music at the background?
The Kennan Document and the Truman Doctrine were both successful and counter-productive. His primary flaw was the assumption that the "flavor" of Communism that he experienced under the Despotic Rule of Stalin ( and later Mao ) was a homogenized and monochromatic system. The reality was that as Communism emerged in Post War Italy, France, Greece, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam, this one size fits all policy of containment had worked successfully in some cases, and in others not so and at huge costs in Blood and Treasure. Vietnam is an example of where a more nuanced policy of allowing the popular Communist movement would have yielded significant results with no war, whereas Korea was an example of an appropriate application of the containment policy.
the us killed like a tenth of all Koreans during the war
@@chriss780 would you rather North Korea had taken over? And in terms of civilian deaths in South Korea, the South Korean government was anti-communist to such a virulent degree that it’s actions against its own citizens resulted in 100,000+ deaths of “collaborators “, both real and imagined, the actions of North Korea against South Korean citizens resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead didn’t help matters either. While the Air Force practically pummeled the country of North Korea to the Stone Age, definitely overkill. Everybody was to blame there.
@@Barabel22 yes
@@chriss780 Then the entire country would be one miserable starving shithole under Kim, instead of the success story South Korea is right now, and the despotic disaster the North is.....is that what you want? I think most South Koreans would disagree, and or privately, most North Koreans wouldn’t wish their government on South Koreans either.
@@Barabel22 "everyboyds to blame their" is what i was answering. and most south koreans want an end to the us military occupation, south korean doesn't even have operational command of the its own military, the us does, its a colony
in the 60s 25% of the countries gdp was prostitution for us occupiers. it basically functioned as giant whorehouse for the us, and the right wing military dictatorship happily pimped out their people
military.wikia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military
they dealt with their people with exceptional brutality
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising
only one of these was carried about by the north
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Korea
books banned in sk military in which service is mandatory
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2029378,00.html
us also pardoned the japanesse unit 731 in return for access for the biological weapons research they got from horrific experiments on korean and chinese people, it then used that for germ warfare during korean war
medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54
south korea only became a democracy in the 90s, before that and collapse of the soviet union trade with north, living standards north and south were similar,
now south is technically a democracy but they only recently outed the president who was daughter of the dictators
North is as paranoid and insular dictatorship as it is because the us bombed their country into rubble during the war and killed a great part of their population immediately post independence from japan
(us south korean puppet government used japanese infrastructure,
collaborators, and colonial police to help control the south at first)
yes south korea has a better economy and more freedom since the 90s, but the story isn't as simple as us likes to tell, which always conveniently leaves out their own enormous crimes
Interesting that we went to help the Vietnamese people against their will. I wonder why so many came to the US and not Canada after the Communist conquered S. Vietnam? Try talking with a Vietnamese American whether or not it was against their will.
no more! we are in a multipolar world as of 2 24 22..adventurism will be confronted
LOL
This world has been multipolar since civilization and trade have been a thing. Well over 12,000 years.
Don't know where you got your date from, but it's off by a "few" millenia.
As a Cold War veteran and current resident of the "Post Cold War Era" I can state, without reservation, that the last 30 years have been a disaster for traditional western values and society in general.
The Communists in academia and in government have been allowed to do their work uninhibited, thanks to an allied media of leftists that cheer-on every victory of socialism and rise to condemn any effort to thwart the march of the authoritarian regime they advocate.
They will find me and my comrades in the Mountains, hills and hollows and plains of the REAL America.
If you're reading this from some other country, this doesn't apply to you.
If you live in the United States of America............. Choose your side, because we will soon be splitting -up........................
I miss the Cold War. A bipolar world was a predictable world.
Telegralgorithmn
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To be fair, Stalin started it.
In1991 several russian historian did admit to american scholar stalin instigate cold war.and did not start in 1945 but in 1939 the molotov rubbentrop treaty.
Now I'm imagining decades of foreign policy based on an internet troll's vitriolic rant. Thanks for that ....
Nothing great episode. Where's my Nike episode?
Read a book! hahahahha
Megalomaniac MacArthur? Jesus christ, you think your bias is showing?
The first boomer facebook post lol.
this video failed to complitly explain US behavior and tendencies towards the USSR simply by disconsidering the previous actions, during the 1917-1939 against the USSR, kinda oversimplifies and leave a taste of US igenuity and innocence. And "acusations of empire building" come on, really, just accusations. There is a fine line between trying to be centered on the information and just ignoring the rest of the world around it.
You can’t fit everything into a 12 minute video. That’s why they make multiple videos.
There are people who accuse the U.S. of empire building to this day. Many people disagree. That’s why he said accusations. Some people say that. Some people disagree. That’s all he said. But it’s a topic of discussion.