Trust me, you didn't miss anything. Just watch the video and it's obvious which car is the more fun to drive and which one is all business. That's all you need to make up your mind.
Why do they always test these cars on a race track? They should test it in the real world, there's more to cars than just lap times. Considering that most people don't live on a race track i would say lap times are irrelevant. Just a quick survey, how many of you live at or near a race track?
G9 Music I live near one. But whether I could afford to visit it weekly, that's whole another question. Thing is, if these cars were tested on road, you wouldn't see them moving around that much. And come on, everyone wants to see these cars at their best. It's dangerous to drive like this on a public road, so you would see them just driving boringly.
Describes exactly the feelings I have when I'm riding my 911 GTS... just another level of handling and of control in any situation (on the race track)! I LOVE IT
AMG is gorgeous...and the interior is a work of art...sur, the 911 is a Porsche, which is to say a brilliantly engineered car...but that AMG really gets the blood pumping...wish they would put the E63s mill in there...that would me madness
The Porsche will always be the safe choice for those who want the pinnacle of driving precision, but the GT is the one that is more fun and, he said it right in the video, the one that will keep you smiling every time you see it in your garage. I guess auto reviewers like these guys have a different definition of what fun is than the rest of us normal blokes who drive normal cars.
So the AMG lost against the 4WD Carrera GTS (AutoExpress), the 911 Turbo (EVO) and now against the 2WD Carrera GTS. Yes, the AMG is a good car, but the Porsche is better... END OF STORY.
***** Oh not only in Britain. I'm sure MotorTrend will conduct this test as well and the Porsche would win again. Besides Porsche doesn't care to win in Germany. Most of their sales are to the US. Those german magazines know how much people love Porsche, so now they want the US market grow to like the AMG to up sales for Mercedes as well. The British and US magazines are unbiased because they are foreign. Its like the Japanese testing the 911 vs GT-R. OBVIOUSLY they would say the GT-R is better. And anyone who says that is fucking nuts
***** It doesn't really matter, because there will always be a 911 that is better. That is just the truth. If the Turbo S doesn't win, the GT3 RS will. If the GTS doesn't win, the GT3 will.
ewt415 Exactly. GTS means very little these days considering that cars like the GT3 have more character and is as easy to live with each day. The ONLY thing the 911 GTS has going for it is the fact that you can get it in a manual.
***** So what do you have to say about MotorTrend?? Porsche won 3 out of 5 of their last Best Driver's Car of the year competition. Are you saying they are paid as well?? Come on, don't be a fool now.
Great video and two things about it; 1. How a car drives is way more important than a lap time 2. Trust this guys opinion more than Steves, pretty unbiased which is what you actually want
In the same way some people have a face for radio, Matt Prior has a voice for writing. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate him and Autocar for giving us this free content, but 900+ horsepower between the two of them, can we at least get a smile? I realize it's just another day on the job for him, but he's driving two of the most exciting cars on the road for an audience who (for the most part) will never get to even sit in one of these, some enthusiasm would be nice.
Is it just more or did he say he wanted to see which one was faster but then they didn't show any timed laps?! Or are we 'just' supposed to assume the Merc won after they provided the stats. Also using a car nearer the same cost as the Merc probably would have given it a more balanced head to head.
Please balance the audio levels between external shots and commentary. And also give Matt a mic for the in-car camera so that his voice doesn't have to battle with the in-car engine noise.
I see so many Porsches that it has lost the strong appeal of luxury, uniqueness and fun it use to have. Porsche is like a Maserati from a consumer stand point. Everyone has one. I see an average of 12 Porsches a day. And 1 AMG GT a month.
The Porsche is the real drivers car. It is also the benchmark that other manufacturers are trying to catch up to. I drove everything and nothing comes close to a Porsche sports car for every day use and track fun, not to mention lower cost of maintenance and lower sticker price. From Dodge SRT salesman with Porsche tattooed on his heart
I love both,the problem is i only can only bought one of them.damn i cant focused on my job or my college and spending time looking at youtube comparison and coming back and forth to the showroom to sit on it,look at it and take picture of it. this is going to be the first brand new sports car that i ever bought so kinda big deal to me lol. since i was a kid i always wanted 911 911 911 911 but then came this beastly merc with beautiful ass...oh god!!! are you testing me for my determination to buy my childhood dream?!
The pricing is so strange, there's a 20,000 GBP difference in price over there, yet over here the prices for a GT S and 991 GTS are only separated by 15.000 USD, and once you option up both cars they're within about 5,000 of each other.
this guy sound a bit like a 911 fanboy... even if i like the sound of this 911 gts, i prefere the look of the mercedes and i will take it over the porsche to an everyday basis.
No rest for the wicked Yes I know that obviously but it was two of his main arguments ;) and he says of both they where great to drive. The other tests said a bit the same thing.
lelegume1635 Seriously? He says the GT S is great to drive but he's absolutely ecstatic about the Porsche. The same result for pretty much any other motor-journalist out there. Are motor-journalists exclusively 911 fanboys?
You don't get it do you. A sports car (911 GTS) will always be more fun than a sporty grand tourer (GT). That's why. Lol argue all you want. You probably want cars based on 1. Looks 2. Specs and that's it.
Suggestion: when the car is making lots of beautiful noise or screeching around the track, perhaps you should try not talking as we cannot hear what you have to say.... I am interested but half the time, I just heard a jumble of sounds. Great cars!
The race track is for comparison purposes. In any case, what pisses me off is that autocar goes to the trouble of running the cars at the track and they do not post times. Just their impressions. They say the 911 is the better drivers car. But what are the track times, that gives me the facts.
Tbh after 200k km or more we will see which one is the better car. You have to rev up the porsche to get the power. In the Mercedes its much better solved. The old 63 AMGs were naturally aspirated aswell and still its impossible to damage these engines.
I've asked this before, but no answer. So I'll ask it again: WHERE IS STEVE SUTCLIFFE!? That's why I subbed to the channel. This guy can't convey any of his passion.
Maybe I am 'old school' but I wouldn't buy a MB and expect all out performance, I have always thought of them as comfortable, very high class and yes in AMG trim very fast- In a straight line the MB is faster
What a power and torque difference between the two. And since I am a "driver", I prefer a manual transmission, not available in the MB. I love my 991.1 GTS (wink).
What kind of comparison was this?? Where is drag test? Braking test? Grip test? Track lap time? Basically you made a video told us your opinion and that was it. We can clearly tell you are a Porsche fan spotted from miles away. But we want numbers i don't care what you think which one is better we car heads want hard data facts
"Porsche looks 1m dollars" You should be joking.. It's just a Porsche, nothing special. The host just loves the 911, for him it would win even in the comparison with P1...
i think he was just afraid to say the AMG is better. when Autocar compared new C class to 3 year old 3 series they also were afraid to say the C class is better. it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy going on here - they have decided that 911 and 3 series are benchmarks for their respective classes and compare everything to them, which results in everything else being rated lower, but this is actually very biased. it's like if you compare every woman to your first GF instead of judging them on their own merit - it is not really right.
I am a mercedes fanboy and i love merc as much as nothing but what they could add on the gts(😍) is a AWD and some more horsepower for example make it 583 hp instead of 503 that would help it exelerate(sorry for the english in this word) faster even on higher speeds and the AWD would help it kick of the lane keep that place. Yes it would make the car heavier but it would have more fiction(is that right?) and power.So with it's great aerodynamics a AWD and 583bhp it will be a lot faster even if it is heavier
The Mercedes is beautiful... far better looking than the SLS...they got it right this time... 911 is perfect to drive on the track but for everyday driving which most people buying these cars will do...the Merc is just that bit more special... where the 911 is the perfect driving tool!
The new GT should be compared to the Jag F type r. much closer in style price point and beauty. porsches are the fastest cars but not as lust worthy as the F type and gt
People in the comment section talk about choosing a car like if they could afford one. Cars nowadays are so competitive and close to each other that the individual buying the car does not have to fit the car, he or she can find a car that fits him or her. All that matters is taste. It's like the iPhone and the Galaxy phones, they are pretty much identical in the real world but have different people chooses different phones because of their different taste, not because of the objective factor as which is the fastest on paper, which really doesn't show in the real world. If you can tell the difference between 3.6 or 3.7 seconds, I'll buy the car you want, any car. People argue with their subjective thoughts, which sound just logical in your head but completely stupid in someone else's head. If you guys can't afford one, doesn't have the chance to feel one, or to even see one then stop f*cking arguing as if you have and stop being to radical towards your opinion, it only makes you look like a stupid narrow-minded dumbass. Look at Lord Aleem, he got bunch of different cars and likes them all, more or less because of HIS TASTE, not for what the cars really are.
Don’t agree with this guy’s viewpoints - not sure how he likes the Porsche steering, which everyone else agreed was sh~t when the 991 was released, and how he felt non-existent lag in the AMG engine...
They both are beautiful in their own way. I'd personally go with the AMG GT-S, much more visually stunning on public roads.
That's facts my porsche had no eyes on it lol the gts a head tuner
100%
I was excited they made a review for the AMG GT vs the 911 but then I go to the damn video and I can't understand anything over the engine noise.
Exactly.
Trust me, you didn't miss anything. Just watch the video and it's obvious which car is the more fun to drive and which one is all business. That's all you need to make up your mind.
Why do they always test these cars on a race track? They should test it in the real world, there's more to cars than just lap times. Considering that most people don't live on a race track i would say lap times are irrelevant.
Just a quick survey, how many of you live at or near a race track?
Agree on this one.
G9 Music I do
juryjury So you're the one person on earth that lives on a race track.
G9 Music I live near one. But whether I could afford to visit it weekly, that's whole another question. Thing is, if these cars were tested on road, you wouldn't see them moving around that much. And come on, everyone wants to see these cars at their best. It's dangerous to drive like this on a public road, so you would see them just driving boringly.
juryjury Yeah but they tested these cars on a race track ONLY, they pretend like lap times are the only thing that matters.
Describes exactly the feelings I have when I'm riding my 911 GTS... just another level of handling and of control in any situation (on the race track)!
I LOVE IT
Sat in a GT S today, best day ever
The way this guy talks reminds me of a music teacher.
AMG is gorgeous...and the interior is a work of art...sur, the 911 is a Porsche, which is to say a brilliantly engineered car...but that AMG really gets the blood pumping...wish they would put the E63s mill in there...that would me madness
Shawn Weed what's a "mill" ?
***** Mill is another name for an engine...
Mercedes AMG GT, any day of the year.
😂
The Porsche will always be the safe choice for those who want the pinnacle of driving precision, but the GT is the one that is more fun and, he said it right in the video, the one that will keep you smiling every time you see it in your garage. I guess auto reviewers like these guys have a different definition of what fun is than the rest of us normal blokes who drive normal cars.
Probably because they wanted RWD vs RWD
So the AMG lost against the 4WD Carrera GTS (AutoExpress), the 911 Turbo (EVO) and now against the 2WD Carrera GTS. Yes, the AMG is a good car, but the Porsche is better... END OF STORY.
***** Oh not only in Britain. I'm sure MotorTrend will conduct this test as well and the Porsche would win again. Besides Porsche doesn't care to win in Germany. Most of their sales are to the US. Those german magazines know how much people love Porsche, so now they want the US market grow to like the AMG to up sales for Mercedes as well. The British and US magazines are unbiased because they are foreign. Its like the Japanese testing the 911 vs GT-R. OBVIOUSLY they would say the GT-R is better. And anyone who says that is fucking nuts
***** It doesn't really matter, because there will always be a 911 that is better. That is just the truth. If the Turbo S doesn't win, the GT3 RS will. If the GTS doesn't win, the GT3 will.
ewt415 Exactly. GTS means very little these days considering that cars like the GT3 have more character and is as easy to live with each day. The ONLY thing the 911 GTS has going for it is the fact that you can get it in a manual.
***** So what the fuck are you subscribed to Autocar for then?
***** So what do you have to say about MotorTrend?? Porsche won 3 out of 5 of their last Best Driver's Car of the year competition. Are you saying they are paid as well?? Come on, don't be a fool now.
Where is Sutciffe?
Jan Visser Last seen testing the Range Rover SVR on Auto Express channel.
He was also in a DrivePlus video
He's at /DRIVE
One is a luxury car company that occasionally makes sports cars the other is a sports car company that occasionally makes luxury cars
And Yet Mercedes makes the best on both classes 😉
I'm glad autocar have done this properly and pitched the AMG against the rear wheel drive GTS instead of other channels with the 4wd GTS
Great video and two things about it;
1. How a car drives is way more important than a lap time
2. Trust this guys opinion more than Steves, pretty unbiased which is what you actually want
I wish one of the car editors for once would just drive the car through the track for feedback, instead of drifting the whole time haha
Why was the AMG GT not compared to the standard 991 turbo, I think that would have been the better match up..
In the same way some people have a face for radio, Matt Prior has a voice for writing. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate him and Autocar for giving us this free content, but 900+ horsepower between the two of them, can we at least get a smile? I realize it's just another day on the job for him, but he's driving two of the most exciting cars on the road for an audience who (for the most part) will never get to even sit in one of these, some enthusiasm would be nice.
Porsche is the non plus ultra in the Sportscar world. Porsche enineers laugh again and start singing: Can´t touch this da da da dam.
Is it just more or did he say he wanted to see which one was faster but then they didn't show any timed laps?! Or are we 'just' supposed to assume the Merc won after they provided the stats. Also using a car nearer the same cost as the Merc probably would have given it a more balanced head to head.
Please balance the audio levels between external shots and commentary. And also give Matt a mic for the in-car camera so that his voice doesn't have to battle with the in-car engine noise.
Really love new MB approach with C class and AMG GT. Beautiful, both exterior and interior.
I see so many Porsches that it has lost the strong appeal of luxury, uniqueness and fun it use to have. Porsche is like a Maserati from a consumer stand point. Everyone has one. I see an average of 12 Porsches a day. And 1 AMG GT a month.
The pop ups on this are super helpful and clear. Great work, Autocar! Please keep these for future videos.
the 991 GTS pdk does 0-100kph in 4.0 seconds. not 0-60mph in 4.4seconds... so the 991 is basically the same as the GT to 60mph. at least on paper.
I can actually feel the difference in character between the vehicles through the video. well done.
The Porsche is the real drivers car. It is also the benchmark that other manufacturers are trying to catch up to. I drove everything and nothing comes close to a Porsche sports car for every day use and track fun, not to mention lower cost of maintenance and lower sticker price.
From Dodge SRT salesman with Porsche tattooed on his heart
It honestly just comes down to personal preference
Only GTS? Autoexpress had the turbo against the Mercedes...Autocar, your standards are slipping
Why not 911 turbo which starts at 120k, same as the GT??
I love both,the problem is i only can only bought one of them.damn i cant focused on my job or my college and spending time looking at youtube comparison and coming back and forth to the showroom to sit on it,look at it and take picture of it. this is going to be the first brand new sports car that i ever bought so kinda big deal to me lol. since i was a kid i always wanted 911 911 911 911 but then came this beastly merc with beautiful ass...oh god!!! are you testing me for my determination to buy my childhood dream?!
AMG-GTS looks massive in this colour!
The pricing is so strange, there's a 20,000 GBP difference in price over there, yet over here the prices for a GT S and 991 GTS are only separated by 15.000 USD, and once you option up both cars they're within about 5,000 of each other.
this guy sound a bit like a 911 fanboy... even if i like the sound of this 911 gts, i prefere the look of the mercedes and i will take it over the porsche to an everyday basis.
lelegume1635 But looks and sound weren't his only ways to evaluate a car.
No rest for the wicked Yes I know that obviously but it was two of his main arguments ;) and he says of both they where great to drive. The other tests said a bit the same thing.
lelegume1635 Seriously? He says the GT S is great to drive but he's absolutely ecstatic about the Porsche. The same result for pretty much any other motor-journalist out there. Are motor-journalists exclusively 911 fanboys?
No rest for the wicked no, but i prefered the evo review for example. Despite of using a 911 turbo for the test, i think they were more clear.
You don't get it do you. A sports car (911 GTS) will always be more fun than a sporty grand tourer (GT). That's why. Lol argue all you want. You probably want cars based on 1. Looks 2. Specs and that's it.
"so lovely so predictable" as he suffers trauma trying to catch the steering wheel
Everybody keeps talking about the Porsche being all-wheel drive, I'm pretty sure that one was Rear-wheel drive.
But the Mercedes AMG GT S Can Drift LOL!
The 991 Turbo is much closer in therm of power, torque and price. And it also has turbo. But not the same name ???
The 911 wins just because of the sound it makes. The AMG makes noise, it's not as lyrical as the 911.
For pure fun of driving, take the 911. It’s just like that!
U crazy a gts just as fun and look more exotic
OMG this reviewer sounds like David Brent from the office! Where do they find these people!? No wonder Clarkson is so loved.
Suggestion: when the car is making lots of beautiful noise or screeching around the track, perhaps you should try not talking as we cannot hear what you have to say.... I am interested but half the time, I just heard a jumble of sounds. Great cars!
Can barely hear you over the engine noise, place the mic somewhere else next time.
The race track is for comparison purposes. In any case, what pisses me off is that autocar goes to the trouble of running the cars at the track and they do not post times. Just their impressions. They say the 911 is the better drivers car. But what are the track times, that gives me the facts.
The Merc look soooo good in that color.
AMG is for bankers and disco kids- the 911 GTS is for driving enthusiasts
The 911 GTS sounds like a quiet 991 GT3 RS.
I love Porsches but with the depreciation on the amg makes it a no-brainer for me. Getting a low milage 2019 for less than $70,000
911 GTS for sure.
The sound is sooo much better too
It doesn't look like tail happier as sls black did. Its movements like.. i don't know what to say.
we dont get the Carbon fibre glass bucket seats in the US
This guy is beyond hopeless.
Where you at, Steve?
Which is faster around the track?
for a daily that AMG GT is perfect... for a weekend car/track day toy the p car all the way
Richard Basford I'd personally get the Targa-4 GTS. Probably the most versatile and fun of them all. Turbo is stupidly fast though.
Only reason I am in the AMG is.... all my neighbors have 911s.
Obviously your neighbors know something about cars.
I Don't know what it is but I just couldn't get enough of that lovely Porsche sound
lap time comparison is missing
otherwise nice video
Matt is on the good way
even at 4:56 is it a smile ( a small one ) :)
Tbh after 200k km or more we will see which one is the better car. You have to rev up the porsche to get the power. In the Mercedes its much better solved. The old 63 AMGs were naturally aspirated aswell and still its impossible to damage these engines.
Ignore the trolls, Matt. Good job as always.
I've asked this before, but no answer. So I'll ask it again: WHERE IS STEVE SUTCLIFFE!? That's why I subbed to the channel. This guy can't convey any of his passion.
5:21 is there the review text? I always thought they do it spontaneously.
For the first time in my life...I'd have both cars!!! Lovely Benz!!!
This guy again!? WHY!?!?
What does my dislike for a mono-toned commentator have anything to do with which car i prefer? lmao. good try though
this idiot ***** has no life for sure
***** i know bro fuck him. he is a volkswagen, audi asslicking bitch.
***** oh :/ im not a yt expert haha:P but maybe check your settings and see what's wrong
***** it's just sad that these two guys have no life and they know shit about cars
Finally a relevant video
Porsche is the better car, as expected.
Amg is just gorgeous!
i thought u wanted to see which is quicker..where are the lap times
Maybe I am 'old school' but I wouldn't buy a MB and expect all out performance, I have always thought of them as comfortable, very high class and yes in AMG trim very fast- In a straight line the MB is faster
+autocar what color is the amg gts?
You guys put some great content but the videos are just too short.
I love the Mercedes... but it looks like it is impossible to get road head in!
where is steve?
What a power and torque difference between the two. And since I am a "driver", I prefer a manual transmission, not available in the MB. I love my 991.1 GTS (wink).
is the gts... c2 or c4??
What kind of comparison was this?? Where is drag test? Braking test? Grip test? Track lap time? Basically you made a video told us your opinion and that was it. We can clearly tell you are a Porsche fan spotted from miles away. But we want numbers i don't care what you think which one is better we car heads want hard data facts
Dynamically, efficiently, proficiency Porsche for the win!
";-)
Gtr is my favorite and this is my second favorite
Please keep giving the good gear to this knowledgeable guy and not to that pretentious, non-fit, bloke.
Not bringing the Turbo was daft.
"Porsche looks 1m dollars" You should be joking.. It's just a Porsche, nothing special. The host just loves the 911, for him it would win even in the comparison with P1...
Holy Mayonnaise he said the Merc looks a million dollars. lol pay attention
He is talking about the AMG
Yassir Belarabi princeworm Sorry, got it. Thanks.
i think he was just afraid to say the AMG is better. when Autocar compared new C class to 3 year old 3 series they also were afraid to say the C class is better. it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy going on here - they have decided that 911 and 3 series are benchmarks for their respective classes and compare everything to them, which results in everything else being rated lower, but this is actually very biased. it's like if you compare every woman to your first GF instead of judging them on their own merit - it is not really right.
911 has to win
It comes in a manual
The AMG doesn't
I would have to take the AMG
No lap times?
i just realised..you look like Walter White from some angles..!!!
Merc AMG GT is a thoroughbred European muscle car.
I am a mercedes fanboy and i love merc as much as nothing but what they could add on the gts(😍) is a AWD and some more horsepower for example make it 583 hp instead of 503 that would help it exelerate(sorry for the english in this word) faster even on higher speeds and the AWD would help it kick of the lane keep that place. Yes it would make the car heavier but it would have more fiction(is that right?) and power.So with it's great aerodynamics a AWD and 583bhp it will be a lot faster even if it is heavier
Just the 4GTS Models have AWD ...
The Mercedes is beautiful... far better looking than the SLS...they got it right this time... 911 is perfect to drive on the track but for everyday driving which most people buying these cars will do...the Merc is just that bit more special... where the 911 is the perfect driving tool!
The new GT should be compared to the Jag F type r. much closer in style price point and beauty. porsches are the fastest cars but not as lust worthy as the F type and gt
People in the comment section talk about choosing a car like if they could afford one. Cars nowadays are so competitive and close to each other that the individual buying the car does not have to fit the car, he or she can find a car that fits him or her. All that matters is taste. It's like the iPhone and the Galaxy phones, they are pretty much identical in the real world but have different people chooses different phones because of their different taste, not because of the objective factor as which is the fastest on paper, which really doesn't show in the real world. If you can tell the difference between 3.6 or 3.7 seconds, I'll buy the car you want, any car. People argue with their subjective thoughts, which sound just logical in your head but completely stupid in someone else's head. If you guys can't afford one, doesn't have the chance to feel one, or to even see one then stop f*cking arguing as if you have and stop being to radical towards your opinion, it only makes you look like a stupid narrow-minded dumbass. Look at Lord Aleem, he got bunch of different cars and likes them all, more or less because of HIS TASTE, not for what the cars really are.
Don’t agree with this guy’s viewpoints - not sure how he likes the Porsche steering, which everyone else agreed was sh~t when the 991 was released, and how he felt non-existent lag in the AMG engine...
They should have compared this Mercedes with the 911 Turbo
I'm not a Mercedes fan, but in this video, I'll take the Benz, Porsche 911 GTS is more of the same thing. Sorry, just my humble opinion.
Did anyone out here on youtube understood what this guy was talking?! Badest car reviewer ive seen so far.
Wow the 911 is on another level sounds amazing. not a fan of the new amg sounds doesnt sound good at all.. more like wet farts!
you sound like wet farts
Nothing as good as the 911 ecxept for an GTS AMG
laptimes?
Where is steven stucliff"?
I'll take one of each...
Just enjoy these cars for what they are.
He can't drive. His driving problems create his review. The AMG is a driver's miracle, and this guy didn't have the skills to see this.
SeerTrulth Every single review I've read or watched says the 911 is better. Let me guess, you just don't like Porsche or you have a Mercedes?