Hey Dustin, I've been following your channel for a while now and just wanted to say thank you for the effort you put into making these videos and keep up the good work man
Timestamps: 0:55 Focuses 2:38 Political Power 5:42 Doctrines 7:05 Research 9:25 Construction & Production 11:27 War with China 14:54 War with the Allies
Nice Guide! However, I never play Japan historically. I usually support the Kodoha, conquer China and then attack Russia. I mostly spare the Allies. With the tactics, I can save myself the development of a fleet and focus more on the land forces. After I defeated Russia, the Axis Powers are mostly on the verge of defeat, so I can get a good part of their territories too.
This is so awesome! Thank you for this content. I have only played as Romania and wanted to try something new with Navy playing a big role, so I picked Japan. I started the game and just felt lost and intimidated. This has really helped me get started. Thanks again.
i seriously love the new system for navy fights aswell as the fuel thing at first .. it felt messy and wtf .. but very fast it made perfect sense and added another layer of realistic complexity aswell as the navi fight system was TOTALY messed up before man the guns
You should convert millitary factory into civs at the start of the game and keep one of the production line of every equipment you need. frankly, your not going to attack China right at the start of the war since you need to wait for the debuff time, so you can pop up production with more millitary factorys after the war starts. You would easily have round the same civ factory of U.K. at the start of your war, which is 2 years before his war, and you build millitary factory way faster with all the buff and total mobilization. Actually you can easily out produce U.S. in land and sea at 1939 this way.
Not in Vanilla. I usually convert 5 mills to civs early and then build civs till mid china war then Japan infra into mills I build rafineries in china. But you have to understand you can't outproduce USA. But out of the pressure I do to USA and Raj Germany sea lions UK so I call it a win
I like grand battle plan and strategic destruction for japan. Grand battle plan gives you reduced supply which is rally usefull fighting in asia and on islands. Strategic destruction gives you the best naval bomber efficiency at 15% and you get it way earlier than other air doctrines.
They did but that doesn't mean they're useless, if they are in such a vast quantity of numbers you can still easily win Naval battles with them if the enemy doesn't have planes
Well there's never really a way two Nerf Naval bombers to the point where there's no reason to spam them, the Paradox Devs have said before when people are complaining about how strong Naval and strategic bombers are they said that that's how they were in real life and they're trying to keep it as realistic as possible, after all Yamato the largest battleship ever created in the world was taken out by just 5 Torpedoes from aircraft and 4 dive bombers
Making 20 widths in china and getting supremacy of will isn't the best idea. MTG mainly changes the war againts the allies with the navy. You should make 14/4's on the china border and 10/0 or 7/2 on the shanxi. With the 40 widths you break the rivers easily because of how reinforcement rate works. Then most of the stuff that you said about the war with the allies is right.
To be totally honest I did have a section covering that with the side to cut it for time, so far with the new update the Chinese have almost no Air Force, it doesn't build up their military as quickly as it used to and on top of that it doesn't even go for land doctrines anymore and prefers to try to get industry Tech making it a walkover which is the only reason I cut it, however if it's in multiplayer you are totally right you should definitely try to get 14/4 or 7/2
Well that depends on how you look at it, the earlier you take them out the more production you can put into planes and Naval production to take on the allies on the sea and air, and realistically if you're in a competitive multiplayer match and need every Advantage you can get you really need 2 take out the Allies are production which is easy for Japan to take at least British Malaya
Actually since the new update the USA can easily get enough World tension without Japan ever even going to war with China to go civilian economy by 38, even in single player yesterday is the US I got giant wakes in January of 37
Me grandad came into me room today when a was playin as japan n he said oh lets oh look youve invade burma uve probably already killed me Then i turned the game off an went downstairs
I think you could do a few things better such as: 1. Invading China as early as possible. Japan starts out with 60 mostly 24W divisions, whereas China starts out with 55 shitty 8W divisions. The earlier you invade, the less divisions the Chinese will have to defend against you. 2. You could obliterate the US Navy, but it would require an immense number of subs and pretty much all your other ships. The way this works is your capitals and CVs take the blunt of the attack, while your subs deal massive torpedo damage to literally everything they see. Realistically speaking, a US player can only build a limited amount of level 3/4 capitals and, if it were to focus on destroyers and CLs, they would lose quickly against your capitals. Personally, I haven't tested this last strat out, but I saw TommyKay obliterating the Italian Navy with something like 7000 torpedoes so that's where I got the idea from.
1 yes that is true but if you play multiplayer the Chinese players have already figured out if Japan Rush War due to their D Buffs the Chinese if they put on aggressive can push them out of Asia all together even with a lot less troops just because of the penalties, II in multiplayer the u.s. Navy player has started normally producing anti-sub Destroyers with good sonar causing that option not to really work well, if you're in single player it probably will
Nice video, but can you do it again like you've done it in the video hoi4 mtg germany guide 1936-1945 that we can read what we have to do, on the right or left side?
Another thing you might want to consider doing: At the start of the game, Japan's army will have a bunch of reserve of garrison troops in it, that have supply priority set to low. GET RID OF THEM! Yepp. Delete all of them. No exceptions. They have an absolutely abysmal template (2x2 infantry, and if i recall correctly, no support companies), and you can use the added manpower to train more regular infantry, which is just better in every way, even the starting template is not really bad. Its not perfect, but you get what i mean.
Awesome video japans such a fun faction to play as so thanks for the guide! Do synthetics also store fuel and produce fuel or do they just give you rubber?
Can someone just give me a tldr tutorial on how to use the task force ui? Mainly strike force because even when I make a task force to find the enemy fleet, my main fleet just sits in port doing nothing when I do find them. It's all very confusing and frustrating.
Not sure of the timestamp but pretty much I covered the naval missions, when you have the task force Mission it only sends destroyers light Cruisers and heavy Cruisers out to look for the enemy Fleet, that's pretty much the gist of it
@@dustinl796 Then why doesn't my strike force do anything? also if i have multiple task forces assigned to the same commander why are my strike forces trying to do the same thing at once it's annoying.
I tried this out, it dosen't work. The division template isn't enough to break through. Furthermore, with many naval invasion, china will always have troops to stop you two territories in.
Well thing is you need alot of divisions for naval invasion and north china and problem is u got little factories at start which is annoying and it takes alot to build them
Really in the current build it's almost impossible if you're in multiplayer, if the u.s. player has any idea what they're doing they have a decent Navy what you guards Pearl Harbor and Alaska, if Japan wants to actually help the axis when they have to stretch their fuel out as long as possible until they can invade British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, after that then maybe if you have better battleships and other ships you might be able to get lucky and load your carriers with a lot of torpedo bombers and fighters and deck wipe
If you are in multiplayer you will probably want to go for prioritize steel for ships rather than prioritize steel for guns just so you can build up more of a navy faster
I managed to invade Canada as Germany but you need to heavily focus on a navy after you are the victor in europe against the U.K and the soviet union but it's harder with germany to do naval invasions because germany does not start with a decent navy like for japan for example and U.S UK ALSO as japan player when you start the war with china do not attack like he says You have massive penalty's and china is going to have massive bonuses against you in the long run so just sit and defend till the negative buff is gone
Actually it's not, the only time concentrated is good is if you plan on making one equipment type for several years or if you're a nation that you know for a fact you're not going to ever be bombed. Concentrated by 1945 gives you an extra 20% output but you don't get any production efficiency bonuses. Dispersed industry gives you 40% production efficiency. That means whenever you create a new equipment line or swap production over to a new line of equipment you start out producing the amount then it would normally take 3 years of equipment production. Yes with concentrated you get much more equipment in the much longer term but if you're constantly having to change production to better equipment and risk getting bombed dispersed is the only one you should ever do
...I don't know if this is old or everybody already knows this but when I as A-H when after romania rejects claim transylvania focus I immediately justify against yugoslavia that even when i back off i still fuck over yuvoslavio without repurcussions
So im playing single player game as soviets and its 1938(or 1937) and i have given mongolia xibei san ma and half of sinkiang.i have also annexed the baltics and puppeted sweden(i also gave norway to them)and finland.Who should i attack next?(btw i have lower world tension and fast justicification mods on)
Really should keep taking out small Nations before the Allies are willing to get involved, once they're willing to get involved take on Germany and Italy
Still playing this :D About the carriers, the way I mostly use them is I move them around manually and use the planes to attack this and that zone, but early game the planes are very short range. Am I doing it right? Cause you're saying build just carriers..
Operational Integrity is no longer the only doctrine for fighters. Paradox ninja nerfed +20% agility into +10% agility for fighters without any mention in patch notes. So now you get the same amount of agility from Strategic Destruction. And arguably better bonuses for direct Air Superiority over Operational Integrity. And you also get those bonuses about a research faster than in case of Operational Integrity, which is pretty damn important since you want to spend most of your air XP on models first, not research rushing. You will lose on some things, but overall it still seems a better tree now. About Naval Doctrines - torpedoes became immensely powerful. And Carriers aren't as obscenely strong. Might be worth consideration. I'd honestly try light ship spam with loads of torpedoes and piercing into heavier ships with torpedoes. You do get a bonus as Japan to that, after all. About China and stuff - Supremacy of Will isn't as essential as getting fighters earlier IMO. Since with China your course of actions is simple - you sit on the border at the start of the war and get rid of debuffs. You do that until you're sure you're fine, which is likely at 3-5 pushes of the button. China on the other hand can't get rid of debuffs since they need Army XP, not PP, and attacking into you is almost impossible for them at that stage for any prolonged time. So you can easily gain major advantage in debuffs over them if you just don't attack right away. In fact, you probably don't want to get rid of all debuffs because you still need to grind your general on the China, as well as grinding your 40w divisions. And yes, I'm strongly suggesting getting some 40w for China so that you can grind them to rank 5 in preparation for attacking Allies. So you get rid only of some penalties, so that China can't stop you but also doesn't fold too fast.
@@dustinl796 like first of all. the whole soft attack on the 4/4s are god awful. as i said before, you had 144 soft attack on your 4/4s and then i got you a template with 14/4s with 343.5 soft attack... the 14/4s are better in every aspect dustin... like why 4/4s and not just 14/4s?
Pretty sure he wouldn't tag my post if he didn't bother to consider its contents. While I don't really know the context... 4/4s sound awful. After soft attack nerfs in 1.5 you just ain't getting your value out of it, even with Superior Firepower. I even stopped doing 7/2s, opting for 10/0 instead (still support artillery and shovels, naturally). 14/4s on 40w still work though. Superior Firepower has really shitty organization and recovery rate, sacrificing more org on 20 width is just painful and legitimately dangerous in my opinion. But there is still a good argument to be made why you would be careful with 40w spam as Japan. At least in vanilla HoI4 you can't handle entire frontline of 40w. Supplies are just that bad there, even with preparations with infrastructure (which you still need). Especially if Chinese fight for every tile, forcing you to deal damage to infrastructure on your way. Still, it's better to have some 40w. Like 12-24 total should do the job, rest can be 20w 10/0 to hold the line. It's both safer for pushing and better in the long run. Former - because you have overwhelming divisions for pushing. So less losses and less army XP for Chinese (they can't hold nearly as long in combat against them). Latter - because you really can use rank 5 40w divisions against Allies later on, especially mountaineers/marines. That's one of the few big advantages you can gain as Japan over their divisions. Other being grinding 7-8 star general against Chinese with Adaptable and the usual. Sadly, grinding the general against AI in particular is arduous task. AI is incompetent in managing production lines, so its divisions start to run out of equipment right away and you fold them way too quickly to gain enough experience. One of the few cases where having player on China is actually beneficial to Japan.
Well a variety of reasons could be the reason to go 4/4 instead of 14/4 and vice versa, one could be you either just don't have enough rifles, you have gone down Superior Firepower quite far which would very heavily boost up your soft attack and since you would have more org you could fight longer, and then Supply zones. As for the org yes they both still count as close to 60 however because you have more units with 60 org they will continue rotating out the more you have. 14/4 are good for other situations like fast and hard breakthroughs, no Supply worries, and have no issue getting a ton of those divisions out
So in this game, does the whole south pacific theatre not even play a role? No Guadalcanal to cut off Australia from US imports, no Battle of Midway, no battle to take the important Port Moseby in New Guinea? Seems like the war is basically limited to southeast asia.
I hate to say it but pretty much yeah, now if you play multiplayer it gets a little bit more strategic like for example if you don't take out Guadalcanal sometimes Japan uses it as an air base for bombers to start hitting us convoys guarding your Islands along with strategic bombing ports and infrastructure making us players actually try to take the islands especially for kamikazes
Also I’m really new to hoi but I found if that invading the peninsula beneath China and japans front line near shanxi then push in a army behind that front line after taking the peninsula because China sends like all of their divisions to that front line I got like 60 divisions sandwiched
Nice guide. I've been playing Japan several times, and guess what ? I was so focused on building armies and stuff for China that I didn't noticed the Marco Polo incident bridge heavy malus, and the mechanic of the event that allows war escalation and reduces it... SHAME ON ME ! So I let the chinese attack without launching any until the maluses had gone and my losses as Japan in the first months dropped from 600K for the previous games to 15k.... And I steamrolled China in mid 41, after a strike mid 40....(took my full time to research and see what the allies or the soviets were planning). I don't remember if you covered it in your guide, but an advice : Before attacking China, I always reinforce harbors and infrastructures in the north China to raise the troops supplies, and I always raise infrastructures of captured areas to maintain a good supply line and high readiness. I think it help in the far east where roads are bad. Not much use to have two 24 divisions armies if you can't supply them.
So you are saying that in a MP game there is nothing Japan can do to break that fort line in the Mountains? Im asking becsuse this has happened to me as Japan and I didn't know what to do :(
Well not really too many options available if the British Raj does that, that's why it's such a common strategy it's like the Stalin line in multiplayer except there is no weak point. If you're able to get Naval superiority over the Allies you might be able to Naval invade behind the line with Marines and 14/4s or if you have air superiority maybe paratroop behind him and started aggressively attacking 2 de org
I don't invade alaska, i wait untill i have control of havaii and attu island then i invade seattle and rush through usa with 40 divisions, also if you invade panama canal you can blow their convoys on the atlantic and they wont be able to bring any troops back to homeland from europe
Started the war with China on time, but only finished them early 39. Even made a few mot to cut them off in the north and get rid of their army in the early days of the war. Did 2 naval invasions. Where did i go wrong?
Well to be honest the AI is always changing and trying to adjust to strategies, it's possible and your game they might have just made more divisions to make it harder
Actually teriblle IMO. As Japan use 2 divisions 14/4 and 20 widths. Supremacy of will vs China is ussles. You also wish to expand into mounteneirs and make couple of them for Raj and then he is no problem. But hey you do you.
My strategy: Reorganize the Army first so with 30 exp you can build a nice Marines /artillery template and a 10 kav with pioneers. Horses do better help out with incirclements (just running behind your attack template faster than infantry), they aren't for attacking! Deal with China asap before the world tension starts to increase to fast thanks to Germany (if ai controlled). Also because early in the game China has less divisions. Take China out, but make sure you focus on southern Guanxi Clique because they got all the juice ressources. In peace conference puppet mainland China, give Qingdao back to Germany (New old name Tsingtao) for better breweries, if you have called them in, and take the southern ressources as Japan. Now focus on getting Achi plane constructeur and build Tactical Bombers and Heavy Fighters with a bit of Naval Bombers. Because Japan has Tons of islands and a too small industry it's better to focus on covering more of the air than less of it with more shorter ranged fighters. The Tactical Bombers are for counter submarine war. Put for each sea zone 100 to 300 on Naval strike and I promise you, allied sub wount cut of you from your hardly deserved ressources. (since it's a common tactic to raid Japan til zero convoys). The heavy fighter will give you the necessary air superiority against minors. - If Tenno will - you manage to fight on American soil, the German fighters better help you out, because the American Luftwaffe will kick you butt right back into the pacific ocean. Navy wise, I don't recommend building heavy ships and CVs! Japan alone don't have the oil needed for them to operate. Split your old navy into small attack forces (CV, BB, CA, 1:3* DDs) and few patrol forces (CA or CL, min 3 DDs). Make sure to put equally slow ships together. Upgrade your ships wisely! Spotting cruiser: Radar, Sonar, spotting planes 2 Heavy cruisers anti CL/DD: One heavy gun battery, a lot of light gun batteries (this ship will get boni from capital ship increasing focuses and experts and shoots from behind the screening shield) Torpedo cruisers: (Needs focus tree done) One light guns battery, max out Torpedos. DDs: Sonar and depth charges, torpedoes Anti air cruisers: max out anti air (only 4 to 5 per big battle fleet) CVs just max out hangars Subs: just infinitive production and have fun 😝 (I hope your server bans death stucked navies.) All other options I let your free will decide. By the way, this is in theory. As Clausewitz has said: Every strategy has become worthless at first enemy contact. Happy gaming ✌🏻
Idk if this still works (bc of man the guns). I would join the axis at the start of the game and start justifying on British Malay, and prepare 1 troop to navel invade them with one troop. I would all but a little of my navy and virtually all my troops to Germany and prepare a navel invasion there to Britain. After the war I would let my navel invaders attack. And land my whole army in Britain. I would push them on the verge of dying. In Malay I would snake my way to a near port and invade British raj. After landing there, land in Australia, then New Zeland. Then finish off mainland Britain. Start building Ports and infanstructure in Newfoundland. Then justify on the Netherlands. Wether the French join in or not put away your navy in a safe spot. Invade the Netherlands and then focus on Belgium. The French should join in at that point so finish them both off. Puppet the Dutch Malaysia. Then declare war on Canada and invade them from Newfoundland. They should be easy and make sure to send some army to South Africa in case they join. Lastly invade the USA. Make sure to finish all that kinda quick so the US doesn’t have 100 million divisons to destroy your noob army bc your still running off the divisons you had at the start of the game. After that you can pretty much do whatever you want. China you’ll be good so you can get tons of man power and build tanks bc the US gives you basically infinite oil. This is probs only for single player bc people are smarter than game ai, you would get destroyed.
On your last Japan guide i watched it the day before MTG came out you might remember my comment about how i usually have to cheat to beat China but i was able to beat China without cheating now im almost to war with China hopefully i wont have to resort to console
Dustinl796 Videos i had to play 5 times to win 1st time my game kept crashing 2nd time i got into an unbreakable stalemate 3rd and 4th time i didnt produce enough divisions and China beat me and 5th time i saw a comment about encircling Nanjing and i did that and i steam rolled China pretty helpful guide just like the last but i did add onto the 1st template with support artillery
Will China is pretty much supposed to fail now with the new update anyway, now that planes consume oil China is mostly stuck with only Infantry against Japan who has way more Superior weapons and doctrines
I don’t know if this happens to anyone else but whenever I finish the focus macro polo bridge incident it doesn’t give me the decision to escalate the war in China
Definitely try it again because every time I play Japan I always declare war and get rid of the penalties first through escalate the war decisions before I even attack. One thing though after you've escalated the war the decision will go away for about a month or two and then reappear which you may be having an issue with
You can also justify on Dutch east Indys asap. Do the pack with Germany n ask them to join war once you have taken the east Indys so they end the war. This gives you all the rubber you will need early. And you can just leave the faction n continue down the same national focus tree for war with China.
You can kind of cheese the naval supremacy by placing some lone capital ships in a couple naval zones and naval invade the Netherlands yourself. Land with a good group of 10 divisions and you can win it yourself quickly. Need docking rights in Italy and Germany only. Then invade the UK. Then the world is up to you.
yeah i tried using dispersed for the first time and i followed much of your guide on my first japan gameplay, and yeah i noticed dispersed really helps with replacing outdated equipments than with concentrated
idk what im doing wrong but please someone help. No matter how much prep i do, i always lose against china. I do the ichi go thing, i have 100 divisions, my bombers are bombing the shit out of them, i naval invade from 3 diff points like he said and each point i put 15-20 divisions into. I always fail. I can never push against the chinese forces. Idk what to do.
Alright brother let me gather my thoughts ill try to tell you about the issues I have with it overall and number the issues. 1. I find air power to be what will decide the war with china air superiority with cas is very important and in order to ensure i have enough cas to stomp the chinese i set up my production lines like this, -3 on guns,- 1 on motorized,- 3 on support equipment,- 8 on cas,- the rest on fighters. You will not be able to have this many mils at the start but you wil gain them through the focuses and decisions 2.Your research off the bat should be fighter 1s, both industry techs, and mechanical computing. After the computing and industrial techs are done focus on getting to signal companies, logistics companies, and researching the first two superior firepower techs. Make sure you request licenses because as japan your research is weak 3. So third I find that 40 width 14/4s with logistics and signal companies are what will stomp the Chinese every time make sure you delete all but 4 of your cavalry and 20 of your reserve 12 width divisions in order to supply your new divisions 3. Build up the port in dalian to 10 and buidl up the second state in the dalian province to a level 5 port, you may have to build aa in dalian due to Russian strat bombers. Build up east Hebei to at least a level 8 airport and south chahar to a level 2 4. Take your remaining 10 reserve divisions and have them defend japan's ports as this makes it impossible for china to meme you and your going to need to garrison japan the whole war anyway. 5. Once your ports in dalian are constructed place your divisions on chinas land border with you and let me go over the strategy for walking into china with minimum equipment loss and maximum xp gain Okay man I just realized im typing an essay here do you have discord? lol sorry but I cant handle any more typing for now.
@@austinturner8373 well 1: you can also use the tac bombers as cas, 2: i dont really think there is a reason to get fighter 1's even with the air force having no work put into it china cant compete, they dont have enough civs to trade for oil and only use 20-40 fighters at a time 3: yes it stomps and in mp you need 14/4 but in sp i dont rlly think so but point taken, 3: forgot to mention that but you dont need to worry about russian bombers most anymore sense after the update russia in most servers is only allowed to send guns and strat bombers are banned in mp anyway, 4: you could do that but as long as you have naval sup china cant even get close 5: agreed and yes i do its in the desc
Basicly on carriers put only fighters depending on the size of the carrier, normally usa players have 4 or 5 mills on carrier fighters in mp concentrating on fighters to help in europe. By using the zero as your primary plane and with decisions to lower production cost youll be making 5 or 6 times as many and if you win the air battles youll out match them 😁
@@dustinl796 ohh I see. But given my carriers have like 57 deck space or something like that. Let's say I have 6 carriers: 6x57=342 fighters at most. Then... If I understand correctly... any more zeros that are produced are not really effective for anything else than being stockpiled and reinforce right? So how outproducing my enemies will benefit me if I'm stuck in a bottleneck. Plus, would I need to adapt my fleets for the lack of naval bombers?
I must be doing something wrong because I followed your guide, tried it multiple times and I just can't get it to work. I have all DLC. Those bombers do almost nothing at all. I am able to get 2 invasions off and get a decent foothold but can't advance. My main force isn't even able to break through the north, I managed to take beijing but now I'm stuck. It's mid 39 and all my troops are holding but they can't push through, I have a serious artillery deficit now and can't push because of it. Even before the arty deficit I can't seem to push through even tho I have more troops and they're of better quality and I have air superiority.
Unrealname You could probably make it into a 40 width infantry artillery division especially with the army bonuses japan can get those would be ur offensive divisions if ur playing against ai raj and if u can build enough early ai china
Due to China having low Supply already as it is and then once you start fighting you'll be destroying the infrastructure lowering Supply even more if you use 40 weeks and don't have at least Logistics 2 you will have so many Supply problems the Chinese will be able to hold you off until they get enough troops out start pushing you
Well yeah that could easily work but this guide was also made to work for multiplayer and the majority of historic games definitely wouldn't allow something like that
I set patrol half of my fleet 100 ships and 100 as strike force and ı only sunk subs but my marines just conquered the whole pacific without destroying any us capitals it says there are 60 enemy ships but kamikaze strikes do nothing I only detect subs and even though I built 30 synthethics and researced most of the stuff in my time I was not able to run my navy(before occupying Dutch and malaya states) and sent them to harbor and then US convoy raiding subs sunk my all 300 convoys and built them in 2 years.so I just occupied and was not able to land on USA can you make a US invasion guide they have 150 divs and when I land they will pr obably press immediately deployment button and have nearly 200 and its likely to be a stalemate as I wil have low supplies everywhere
Hey, something you didn´t talk about in this video is the question wether you converted your millitary-factories into civs for the first year. Is this still viable or not?
Well to be honest a lot of people don't think it is but I still think it is in certain situations, for example if China is an AI you can easily push so then you can do the Strat to get a huge amount of civs but you won't be able to go to war until 38-39 which a lot of people think is a really bad idea since you won't be able to actually take him out until 1940 leaving one year of build up before war with the allies,
When I start a new game with Japan, from the first day on my subjects want to raise their autonomy level. It seems that this isn't the case in your game. Is there a reason?
I'm confused, how were you able to have multiple naval invasions with more than 10 divisions in 1936? Did you research to the next tier in that time, or is there something that I don't understand
I use three or four different templates when playing like this, I use 20 with all Infantry for china with 10-20 14/4 to actually push and encircle enough to the point when the Army is so weak and has lost so many troops to encirclement use the 20 widthsto just aggressively attack, then 10 width Marines with 40 width Marines to attack British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies,
That's really based on how you play, first off if it's in a multiplayer game you should attack China when you feel comfortable. Singleplayer the earlier you can attack the better because they're a lot weaker due to penalties and debuffs
@@dustinl796 okey! Thank you very much! And what is your strategy about combustible? Because for me is very difficult to have an active marine and aviaton and have combustible too
Actually it's a button in the bottom right, where it has the six little tiny squares it's one of those buttons you can check and uncheck, go into to single player to try it out
One thing you can do is left click the Zone in the normal map mode and see if it says anything about enemy ships present. If it does see if your Navy is detecting them. If it stops detecting in the high twenties or 30s your detection is not high enough and need radar on your ships. If it's getting to a hundred but no battles are happening then pause the game really quick and give them an order to go to a port, then right click remove all orders and click okay. Then tell them to patrol or strike force again in the exact same Zone as before and they'll instantly battle as long as the detection was at 100%
This was a very good video. Thank you dustin. Things that you are still somehow unclear to me 1. How many times should I escalate before pushing into china? 2. Once you said that I should always convert my Light Ships etc. Sadly you did not show how/what to convert exactly. 3. So as far as I understand you want me to build 8 CVs and then go for 4 Synthetics and a few Silos? What do I build after the war with China? Dockyards? 4. You mentioned that with all bonuses I should get a -60% discount on the Zero fighter planes but the only thing you showed was the -20% decision. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance !!
1 you should try to get as much of the penalty gone as possible, if you've done supremacy of will you can get it down to 10 or 20% and easily push. 2 select a Navy and find the upgrade option beside the ships 3 those are just the base numbers you really need to accomplish anything long term realistically after then you should start building Mills and synthetics until you've taken out China and then start building more synthetics and dockyards to help you with the allies, 4 you get a 20% decision but if you get up to dispersed three each level gives you another 10% Factory output so that's 50% for the fighters already, then if you're on free trade that's an extra 15% so it's a 65% bonus
@@dustinl796 1. Thanks 2. I know how to upgrade, you just did not specifically say which ships I should convert into which models.(For example should I convert my DDs into Anti Sub DDs? If so how many ? etc.) Which is fine I guess, but the part I am most missing is how I should arrange/handle my fleet given the Ships Japan Starts as. Make 1 big Strike force? Make 3 Medium Strike forces (with carriers and heavy ships evenly distributed) ? Etc. I wish you could have said more about handeling the Japan fleet in general as I am lost in this area the most in this expansion. 3. Ok so let me rephrase that: How many CVs should I roughly have after the War with china? 4. Ah I see. Thanks! So you still believe dispersed is the way to go :D good to know !
2 realistically the only thing that should need to be upgraded would be destroyers to just basic models that can cover everything to have depth charges decent guns and torpedoes, however aircraft carriers are going to be the number one thing for you to use since you have the bonuses with the zeros to easily Wipe Out the enemy plans then you can also load Torpedoes on them once you've taken out most of America's Air Force. 3 it really depends on the situation at hand most of the time I hardly ever even use the Navy outside of getting an invasion into the Dutch East Indies since you need to save as much fuel as possible to keep the air war going as long as you can to pull off weight from Germany
To be honest as Japan I don't ever really produce any screens whatsoever aside from a few light Cruisers, the majority of the time every dockyard I have in the very beginning goes exclusively to aircraft carriers until I have at least 10 or 15 once you hit this number if you can get air superiority with your zeros and put a few torpedo bombers with them your Navy becomes Unstoppable as long as you have enough fuel to supply them and then you just continuously rotate them out of small fleets.
stupid question from a newbie. Would it not bring more advantage to get some havy fighter on the carriers? I mean if that is possible of course. It cost more manpower but they are more effectiv Oh and also by spamming out 20's out. This with the cannons so the 4 4s Or the classics ?
Bal Gu I am talking directly about naval combat , it just works strange, in the combat it counts the strength and number of planes directly on the carriers and then just completely wipe out the weaker side (i mean planes of the weaker side)
Well to be honest I don't know if that's really possible right now, if you play a somebody in South America you can only take out two countries before the Allies start guaranteeing independence of everybody so that's out, if you try the same thing in Europe Germany is so powerful now it's steam rolls you unless you've been building from the very beginning and you're some big nation like Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia that's got Forts and can hold
Anyone still reply to this video? Because I'm a newbie playing vanilla hoi 4 in the La Resistance patch and conquering China as Japan is just impossible! I followed all the tips such as naval invasions from all directions, smashing "escalate" button, but what always end up happening is the communists and more Chinese troops just keep swallowing up my northern territories while my armies barely makes a dent at the Beijing front or anywhere they land! I'm also having a big attrition and supply problem where my armies are never at their optimal fighting strength and my production isn't helping, even if I had my divisions as 40 widths with artillery.
build an airport in mengkukuo to provie +25% air support bonus and use your ships to give shore bombardment at the port city below beijing -25% hex on the chinese defenders., you can break that square then burst through it to stretch out their lines, thats a good start.
I'm not that big of a Japan player, I like to play in/around Europe most of the time, a friend of mine was like: "You, me, 1v1, I'm Japan, pick whatever you want!" I of course, agreed, why wouldn't I. I load up youtube, refresh my subs, and long and behold, I found out why my friend wants to play Japan. I love it P.S. If you are making a guide about the UK, delay it, I don't want them getting any ideas of another country to play, haha
Hey Dustin, I've been following your channel for a while now and just wanted to say thank you for the effort you put into making these videos and keep up the good work man
What infantry demplates do you use for japan?
Suck up
Timestamps:
0:55 Focuses
2:38 Political Power
5:42 Doctrines
7:05 Research
9:25 Construction & Production
11:27 War with China
14:54 War with the Allies
I always saw you on praetorian hyjinx'x channel commenting on his UK playtrough giving a basic overhaul of the full episode
giorno notgiovanna Oh my god im getting flashbacks. Sometimes im thinking i could do those again but just a lot better and more professional.
Tanks
"Ziatsbu" - Dustin 2019
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@@dustinl796 American pronunciation moment
I think multiplayer guides for all the other majors would be awesome.
Well as of right now the next countries I've got planned are the USA in Germany
@@dustinl796 uk would definitely be good
italy op guide p l o x
Ill try 😉
invades alaska for jokes......
and here i am every single time invading USA through Alaska....
Am i joke to you??? lol
@@jsoqbwbeks2653 same :(
Nice Guide!
However, I never play Japan historically.
I usually support the Kodoha, conquer China and then attack Russia. I mostly spare the Allies.
With the tactics, I can save myself the development of a fleet and focus more on the land forces.
After I defeated Russia, the Axis Powers are mostly on the verge of defeat, so I can get a good part of their territories too.
Lars however most multiplayer servers force the historical path for balance
17:45 I'm so proud of myself! I've got like (I dunno actually) 200-300 hrs on hoi4 and I capitulated china ten days earlier!
Congrats 😁
I love that you explain why you do things and not just tell me to do it in this order, way more helpful!!!
This is so awesome! Thank you for this content.
I have only played as Romania and wanted to try something new with Navy playing a big role, so I picked Japan. I started the game and just felt lost and intimidated. This has really helped me get started. Thanks again.
Just rewatched this to write shit down, and I almost flipped at 3:10
i seriously love the new system for navy fights aswell as the fuel thing
at first .. it felt messy and wtf .. but very fast it made perfect sense and added another layer of realistic complexity aswell as the navi fight system was TOTALY messed up before man the guns
Aaaahh a renewal of my favorite guide evr. Highly anticipated... Thx
Glad you enjoyed it 😁
I usually invade Siam early if AI so i can get their ressources and extra invasion places
You should convert millitary factory into civs at the start of the game and keep one of the production line of every equipment you need. frankly, your not going to attack China right at the start of the war since you need to wait for the debuff time, so you can pop up production with more millitary factorys after the war starts. You would easily have round the same civ factory of U.K. at the start of your war, which is 2 years before his war, and you build millitary factory way faster with all the buff and total mobilization. Actually you can easily out produce U.S. in land and sea at 1939 this way.
Good points
Not in Vanilla. I usually convert 5 mills to civs early and then build civs till mid china war then Japan infra into mills I build rafineries in china. But you have to understand you can't outproduce USA. But out of the pressure I do to USA and Raj Germany sea lions UK so I call it a win
"Guide the Ziatsbu".
I will consider doing that!
As a newbie who still can't win as Germany or Japan this tutorial is gonna help ALOT!!! So ty man
Np
I like grand battle plan and strategic destruction for japan. Grand battle plan gives you reduced supply which is rally usefull fighting in asia and on islands. Strategic destruction gives you the best naval bomber efficiency at 15% and you get it way earlier than other air doctrines.
I thought they nerfed naval bombers?
They did but that doesn't mean they're useless, if they are in such a vast quantity of numbers you can still easily win Naval battles with them if the enemy doesn't have planes
Oh I thought they would kill it cause of the old cancer in mp with hungary or sometimes bulgaria spamming naval bombers for italy
Well there's never really a way two Nerf Naval bombers to the point where there's no reason to spam them, the Paradox Devs have said before when people are complaining about how strong Naval and strategic bombers are they said that that's how they were in real life and they're trying to keep it as realistic as possible, after all Yamato the largest battleship ever created in the world was taken out by just 5 Torpedoes from aircraft and 4 dive bombers
@@stevencooper3525 Strategic destruction also gives +10% agility to fighters at the fifth research slot which is really nice.
Making 20 widths in china and getting supremacy of will isn't the best idea. MTG mainly changes the war againts the allies with the navy. You should make 14/4's on the china border and 10/0 or 7/2 on the shanxi. With the 40 widths you break the rivers easily because of how reinforcement rate works. Then most of the stuff that you said about the war with the allies is right.
To be totally honest I did have a section covering that with the side to cut it for time, so far with the new update the Chinese have almost no Air Force, it doesn't build up their military as quickly as it used to and on top of that it doesn't even go for land doctrines anymore and prefers to try to get industry Tech making it a walkover which is the only reason I cut it, however if it's in multiplayer you are totally right you should definitely try to get 14/4 or 7/2
It's not about breaking China fast. The war is about farming XP and generals.
Well that depends on how you look at it, the earlier you take them out the more production you can put into planes and Naval production to take on the allies on the sea and air, and realistically if you're in a competitive multiplayer match and need every Advantage you can get you really need 2 take out the Allies are production which is easy for Japan to take at least British Malaya
Tho in a MP taking them out before 1939 gives the USA the giant wakes early and they can build up HARD
Actually since the new update the USA can easily get enough World tension without Japan ever even going to war with China to go civilian economy by 38, even in single player yesterday is the US I got giant wakes in January of 37
Me grandad came into me room today when a was playin as japan n he said oh lets oh look youve invade burma uve probably already killed me
Then i turned the game off an went downstairs
My dad was giving me tips instead lol he told me to invade the Indonesian area to get the resources
I think you could do a few things better such as:
1. Invading China as early as possible. Japan starts out with 60 mostly 24W divisions, whereas China starts out with 55 shitty 8W divisions. The earlier you invade, the less divisions the Chinese will have to defend against you.
2. You could obliterate the US Navy, but it would require an immense number of subs and pretty much all your other ships. The way this works is your capitals and CVs take the blunt of the attack, while your subs deal massive torpedo damage to literally everything they see. Realistically speaking, a US player can only build a limited amount of level 3/4 capitals and, if it were to focus on destroyers and CLs, they would lose quickly against your capitals.
Personally, I haven't tested this last strat out, but I saw TommyKay obliterating the Italian Navy with something like 7000 torpedoes so that's where I got the idea from.
1 yes that is true but if you play multiplayer the Chinese players have already figured out if Japan Rush War due to their D Buffs the Chinese if they put on aggressive can push them out of Asia all together even with a lot less troops just because of the penalties, II in multiplayer the u.s. Navy player has started normally producing anti-sub Destroyers with good sonar causing that option not to really work well, if you're in single player it probably will
cheers man, ill try it out now.
Nice video, but can you do it again like you've done it in the video hoi4 mtg germany guide 1936-1945 that we can read what we have to do, on the right or left side?
ill try to later on, im waiting until the new update.
Nice, thank you
Another thing you might want to consider doing: At the start of the game, Japan's army will have a bunch of reserve of garrison troops in it, that have supply priority set to low.
GET RID OF THEM!
Yepp. Delete all of them. No exceptions. They have an absolutely abysmal template (2x2 infantry, and if i recall correctly, no support companies), and you can use the added manpower to train more regular infantry, which is just better in every way, even the starting template is not really bad. Its not perfect, but you get what i mean.
you can just swap the template
Yes finally thank you for making the guide!
Glad to help 😁
Awesome video japans such a fun faction to play as so thanks for the guide! Do synthetics also store fuel and produce fuel or do they just give you rubber?
Can someone just give me a tldr tutorial on how to use the task force ui? Mainly strike force because even when I make a task force to find the enemy fleet, my main fleet just sits in port doing nothing when I do find them. It's all very confusing and frustrating.
A few videos back i did oone 😁
Yhea that happened with me to
@@dustinl796 Timestamp?
Not sure of the timestamp but pretty much I covered the naval missions, when you have the task force Mission it only sends destroyers light Cruisers and heavy Cruisers out to look for the enemy Fleet, that's pretty much the gist of it
@@dustinl796 Then why doesn't my strike force do anything? also if i have multiple task forces assigned to the same commander why are my strike forces trying to do the same thing at once it's annoying.
Go strat destruction, gives same agility but also gives more air superiority buffs
Before man the guns metas were developed this was incorrect but now you are right
You had me at advisor; Compassionate Gentleman...
Happy April Fools Day to you too 😁
I tried this out, it dosen't work. The division template isn't enough to break through.
Furthermore, with many naval invasion, china will always have troops to stop you two territories in.
Well thing is you need alot of divisions for naval invasion and north china and problem is u got little factories at start which is annoying and it takes alot to build them
That was a nice guide, thanks (i used to lose vs china xD)
glad to help :)
Please make a guide to invade Pearl Harbor on vetran
Really in the current build it's almost impossible if you're in multiplayer, if the u.s. player has any idea what they're doing they have a decent Navy what you guards Pearl Harbor and Alaska, if Japan wants to actually help the axis when they have to stretch their fuel out as long as possible until they can invade British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, after that then maybe if you have better battleships and other ships you might be able to get lucky and load your carriers with a lot of torpedo bombers and fighters and deck wipe
If you ally Germany and send your fleet and about 2 full divisions you can take britain by 38
Did you mention that Mitsubishi is the single best aircraft designer in the game? Cus it is and its awesome
Well I didn't mention that but it is the best one in the game like you said 😁
If you are in multiplayer you will probably want to go for prioritize steel for ships rather than prioritize steel for guns just so you can build up more of a navy faster
Maybe but you got to think it also gives a bonus for building military factories also which helps out against China
I managed to invade Canada as Germany but you need to heavily focus on a navy after you are the victor in europe against the U.K and the soviet union but it's harder with germany to do naval invasions because germany does not start with a decent navy like for japan for example and U.S UK ALSO as japan player when you start the war with china do not attack like he says You have massive penalty's and china is going to have massive bonuses against you in the long run so just sit and defend till the negative buff is gone
Also concentrated industry is way better than dispersed
Actually it's not, the only time concentrated is good is if you plan on making one equipment type for several years or if you're a nation that you know for a fact you're not going to ever be bombed. Concentrated by 1945 gives you an extra 20% output but you don't get any production efficiency bonuses. Dispersed industry gives you 40% production efficiency. That means whenever you create a new equipment line or swap production over to a new line of equipment you start out producing the amount then it would normally take 3 years of equipment production. Yes with concentrated you get much more equipment in the much longer term but if you're constantly having to change production to better equipment and risk getting bombed dispersed is the only one you should ever do
...I don't know if this is old or everybody already knows this but when I as A-H when after romania rejects claim transylvania focus I immediately justify against yugoslavia that even when i back off i still fuck over yuvoslavio without repurcussions
what mod did you use in the video list please
i dont remember it was so long ago, normally i use vanilla in these tho
thank you for this. i am new to the game
So im playing single player game as soviets and its 1938(or 1937) and i have given mongolia xibei san ma and half of sinkiang.i have also annexed the baltics and puppeted sweden(i also gave norway to them)and finland.Who should i attack next?(btw i have lower world tension and fast justicification mods on)
Really should keep taking out small Nations before the Allies are willing to get involved, once they're willing to get involved take on Germany and Italy
They delete divisions at the start of the game. Why is the reason for that ? How to build army after that?
Idk if this happens to your games but I can only do one naval invasion at a time which I swear u can do more but idk
You need to research the landing craft in the naval tech so you can do more naval invasions
Still playing this :D
About the carriers, the way I mostly use them is I move them around manually and use the planes to attack this and that zone, but early game the planes are very short range. Am I doing it right? Cause you're saying build just carriers..
One thing more: Take Ceylon after Malaya and Indonesia. Then all the Rubber is yours and U have a base against India
Operational Integrity is no longer the only doctrine for fighters. Paradox ninja nerfed +20% agility into +10% agility for fighters without any mention in patch notes. So now you get the same amount of agility from Strategic Destruction. And arguably better bonuses for direct Air Superiority over Operational Integrity. And you also get those bonuses about a research faster than in case of Operational Integrity, which is pretty damn important since you want to spend most of your air XP on models first, not research rushing. You will lose on some things, but overall it still seems a better tree now.
About Naval Doctrines - torpedoes became immensely powerful. And Carriers aren't as obscenely strong. Might be worth consideration. I'd honestly try light ship spam with loads of torpedoes and piercing into heavier ships with torpedoes. You do get a bonus as Japan to that, after all.
About China and stuff - Supremacy of Will isn't as essential as getting fighters earlier IMO. Since with China your course of actions is simple - you sit on the border at the start of the war and get rid of debuffs. You do that until you're sure you're fine, which is likely at 3-5 pushes of the button. China on the other hand can't get rid of debuffs since they need Army XP, not PP, and attacking into you is almost impossible for them at that stage for any prolonged time. So you can easily gain major advantage in debuffs over them if you just don't attack right away. In fact, you probably don't want to get rid of all debuffs because you still need to grind your general on the China, as well as grinding your 40w divisions. And yes, I'm strongly suggesting getting some 40w for China so that you can grind them to rank 5 in preparation for attacking Allies. So you get rid only of some penalties, so that China can't stop you but also doesn't fold too fast.
bro he wont believe you. I've legit said this to him on discord...
What makes you say that?
@@dustinl796 like first of all. the whole soft attack on the 4/4s are god awful. as i said before, you had 144 soft attack on your 4/4s and then i got you a template with 14/4s with 343.5 soft attack... the 14/4s are better in every aspect dustin... like why 4/4s and not just 14/4s?
Pretty sure he wouldn't tag my post if he didn't bother to consider its contents.
While I don't really know the context... 4/4s sound awful. After soft attack nerfs in 1.5 you just ain't getting your value out of it, even with Superior Firepower. I even stopped doing 7/2s, opting for 10/0 instead (still support artillery and shovels, naturally). 14/4s on 40w still work though. Superior Firepower has really shitty organization and recovery rate, sacrificing more org on 20 width is just painful and legitimately dangerous in my opinion.
But there is still a good argument to be made why you would be careful with 40w spam as Japan. At least in vanilla HoI4 you can't handle entire frontline of 40w. Supplies are just that bad there, even with preparations with infrastructure (which you still need). Especially if Chinese fight for every tile, forcing you to deal damage to infrastructure on your way. Still, it's better to have some 40w. Like 12-24 total should do the job, rest can be 20w 10/0 to hold the line. It's both safer for pushing and better in the long run. Former - because you have overwhelming divisions for pushing. So less losses and less army XP for Chinese (they can't hold nearly as long in combat against them). Latter - because you really can use rank 5 40w divisions against Allies later on, especially mountaineers/marines. That's one of the few big advantages you can gain as Japan over their divisions. Other being grinding 7-8 star general against Chinese with Adaptable and the usual. Sadly, grinding the general against AI in particular is arduous task. AI is incompetent in managing production lines, so its divisions start to run out of equipment right away and you fold them way too quickly to gain enough experience. One of the few cases where having player on China is actually beneficial to Japan.
Well a variety of reasons could be the reason to go 4/4 instead of 14/4 and vice versa, one could be you either just don't have enough rifles, you have gone down Superior Firepower quite far which would very heavily boost up your soft attack and since you would have more org you could fight longer, and then Supply zones. As for the org yes they both still count as close to 60 however because you have more units with 60 org they will continue rotating out the more you have. 14/4 are good for other situations like fast and hard breakthroughs, no Supply worries, and have no issue getting a ton of those divisions out
Any chance of seeing an updated version of this for La Resistance?
Is SUPER Japanese hoi4 guide
so he never elaborated on how to get that -60% production reduction on the carrier fighter. Does anyone know how to do it? I'm super confused
So in this game, does the whole south pacific theatre not even play a role? No Guadalcanal to cut off Australia from US imports, no Battle of Midway, no battle to take the important Port Moseby in New Guinea? Seems like the war is basically limited to southeast asia.
I hate to say it but pretty much yeah, now if you play multiplayer it gets a little bit more strategic like for example if you don't take out Guadalcanal sometimes Japan uses it as an air base for bombers to start hitting us convoys guarding your Islands along with strategic bombing ports and infrastructure making us players actually try to take the islands especially for kamikazes
Also I’m really new to hoi but I found if that invading the peninsula beneath China and japans front line near shanxi then push in a army behind that front line after taking the peninsula because China sends like all of their divisions to that front line I got like 60 divisions sandwiched
Nice guide. I've been playing Japan several times, and guess what ?
I was so focused on building armies and stuff for China that I didn't noticed the Marco Polo incident bridge heavy malus, and the mechanic of the event that allows war escalation and reduces it... SHAME ON ME !
So I let the chinese attack without launching any until the maluses had gone and my losses as Japan in the first months dropped from 600K for the previous games to 15k.... And I steamrolled China in mid 41, after a strike mid 40....(took my full time to research and see what the allies or the soviets were planning).
I don't remember if you covered it in your guide, but an advice :
Before attacking China, I always reinforce harbors and infrastructures in the north China to raise the troops supplies, and I always raise infrastructures of captured areas to maintain a good supply line and high readiness. I think it help in the far east where roads are bad.
Not much use to have two 24 divisions armies if you can't supply them.
i did cover it, :) in mp dont forget if china is a player to attack early sense they have bad national spirits early aswell
Do you have a jungle warfare guide?
So you are saying that in a MP game there is nothing Japan can do to break that fort line in the Mountains? Im asking becsuse this has happened to me as Japan and I didn't know what to do :(
Well not really too many options available if the British Raj does that, that's why it's such a common strategy it's like the Stalin line in multiplayer except there is no weak point. If you're able to get Naval superiority over the Allies you might be able to Naval invade behind the line with Marines and 14/4s or if you have air superiority maybe paratroop behind him and started aggressively attacking 2 de org
you can invade india in the north through china. or go around and naval invade.
I don't invade alaska, i wait untill i have control of havaii and attu island then i invade seattle and rush through usa with 40 divisions, also if you invade panama canal you can blow their convoys on the atlantic and they wont be able to bring any troops back to homeland from europe
Started the war with China on time, but only finished them early 39. Even made a few mot to cut them off in the north and get rid of their army in the early days of the war. Did 2 naval invasions. Where did i go wrong?
Well to be honest the AI is always changing and trying to adjust to strategies, it's possible and your game they might have just made more divisions to make it harder
Actually teriblle IMO. As Japan use 2 divisions 14/4 and 20 widths. Supremacy of will vs China is ussles. You also wish to expand into mounteneirs and make couple of them for Raj and then he is no problem. But hey you do you.
What would be my land army composition be tho for 20width? Artillery and some infantry?
I have country specific template guides on my channel in playlist if youd like to see them 😁
My strategy: Reorganize the Army first so with 30 exp you can build a nice Marines /artillery template and a 10 kav with pioneers.
Horses do better help out with incirclements (just running behind your attack template faster than infantry), they aren't for attacking!
Deal with China asap before the world tension starts to increase to fast thanks to Germany (if ai controlled). Also because early in the game China has less divisions.
Take China out, but make sure you focus on southern Guanxi Clique because they got all the juice ressources. In peace conference puppet mainland China, give Qingdao back to Germany (New old name Tsingtao) for better breweries, if you have called them in, and take the southern ressources as Japan.
Now focus on getting Achi plane constructeur and build Tactical Bombers and Heavy Fighters with a bit of Naval Bombers.
Because Japan has Tons of islands and a too small industry it's better to focus on covering more of the air than less of it with more shorter ranged fighters.
The Tactical Bombers are for counter submarine war.
Put for each sea zone 100 to 300 on Naval strike and I promise you, allied sub wount cut of you from your hardly deserved ressources. (since it's a common tactic to raid Japan til zero convoys).
The heavy fighter will give you the necessary air superiority against minors. - If Tenno will - you manage to fight on American soil, the German fighters better help you out, because the American Luftwaffe will kick you butt right back into the pacific ocean.
Navy wise, I don't recommend building heavy ships and CVs!
Japan alone don't have the oil needed for them to operate.
Split your old navy into small attack forces (CV, BB, CA, 1:3* DDs)
and few patrol forces (CA or CL, min 3 DDs). Make sure to put equally slow ships together.
Upgrade your ships wisely! Spotting cruiser:
Radar, Sonar, spotting planes 2
Heavy cruisers anti CL/DD:
One heavy gun battery, a lot of light gun batteries
(this ship will get boni from capital ship increasing focuses and experts and shoots from behind the screening shield)
Torpedo cruisers:
(Needs focus tree done)
One light guns battery, max out Torpedos.
DDs:
Sonar and depth charges, torpedoes
Anti air cruisers:
max out anti air
(only 4 to 5 per big battle fleet)
CVs
just max out hangars
Subs:
just infinitive production and have fun 😝
(I hope your server bans death stucked navies.)
All other options I let your free will decide.
By the way, this is in theory. As Clausewitz has said: Every strategy has become worthless at first enemy contact.
Happy gaming ✌🏻
* with latest patch the ratio capital ship to screening ship has lowered from 1:4 to 1:3
Idk if this still works (bc of man the guns). I would join the axis at the start of the game and start justifying on British Malay, and prepare 1 troop to navel invade them with one troop. I would all but a little of my navy and virtually all my troops to Germany and prepare a navel invasion there to Britain. After the war I would let my navel invaders attack. And land my whole army in Britain. I would push them on the verge of dying. In Malay I would snake my way to a near port and invade British raj. After landing there, land in Australia, then New Zeland. Then finish off mainland Britain. Start building Ports and infanstructure in Newfoundland. Then justify on the Netherlands. Wether the French join in or not put away your navy in a safe spot. Invade the Netherlands and then focus on Belgium. The French should join in at that point so finish them both off. Puppet the Dutch Malaysia. Then declare war on Canada and invade them from Newfoundland. They should be easy and make sure to send some army to South Africa in case they join. Lastly invade the USA. Make sure to finish all that kinda quick so the US doesn’t have 100 million divisons to destroy your noob army bc your still running off the divisons you had at the start of the game. After that you can pretty much do whatever you want. China you’ll be good so you can get tons of man power and build tanks bc the US gives you basically infinite oil. This is probs only for single player bc people are smarter than game ai, you would get destroyed.
Well that was a interesting read
Dustinl796 Videos I read that again and I didn’t English properly :p hopefully you could still understand it XD
On your last Japan guide i watched it the day before MTG came out you might remember my comment about how i usually have to cheat to beat China but i was able to beat China without cheating now im almost to war with China hopefully i wont have to resort to console
Good luck :-)
Dustinl796 Videos i had to play 5 times to win 1st time my game kept crashing 2nd time i got into an unbreakable stalemate 3rd and 4th time i didnt produce enough divisions and China beat me and 5th time i saw a comment about encircling Nanjing and i did that and i steam rolled China pretty helpful guide just like the last but i did add onto the 1st template with support artillery
Dustinl796 Videos it took me a year to win
Glad it was able to help :-)
what unit is that labeled with leaf crown?
Love the video great job! Can you do a China MP guide?
Thinking about it
@@dustinl796 I really hope you do cuz I would like to win as China vs a good Japan player using TommyK tactics in MP.
Will China is pretty much supposed to fail now with the new update anyway, now that planes consume oil China is mostly stuck with only Infantry against Japan who has way more Superior weapons and doctrines
@@dustinl796 You can hold pretty well against a good Japan player after MTG, its just hard to min-maxing it.
I don’t know if this happens to anyone else but whenever I finish the focus macro polo bridge incident it doesn’t give me the decision to escalate the war in China
You have to be at war first
I was, maybe I should reinstall hoi4 because even after a couple months it hadn’t appeared
Definitely try it again because every time I play Japan I always declare war and get rid of the penalties first through escalate the war decisions before I even attack. One thing though after you've escalated the war the decision will go away for about a month or two and then reappear which you may be having an issue with
You can also justify on Dutch east Indys asap. Do the pack with Germany n ask them to join war once you have taken the east Indys so they end the war. This gives you all the rubber you will need early. And you can just leave the faction n continue down the same national focus tree for war with China.
You can kind of cheese the naval supremacy by placing some lone capital ships in a couple naval zones and naval invade the Netherlands yourself. Land with a good group of 10 divisions and you can win it yourself quickly. Need docking rights in Italy and Germany only. Then invade the UK. Then the world is up to you.
what is the reason you need dispersed factories that the other one?
Able to swap production lines with no penalties compared to loosing alot of efficiance
yeah i tried using dispersed for the first time and i followed much of your guide on my first japan gameplay, and yeah i noticed dispersed really helps with replacing outdated equipments than with concentrated
idk what im doing wrong but please someone help. No matter how much prep i do, i always lose against china. I do the ichi go thing, i have 100 divisions, my bombers are bombing the shit out of them, i naval invade from 3 diff points like he said and each point i put 15-20 divisions into. I always fail. I can never push against the chinese forces. Idk what to do.
I have to say dustin I completely disagree with many points in this video good to watch none the less
If you don't mind my asking which points did you disagree with?
Alright brother let me gather my thoughts ill try to tell you about the issues I have with it overall and number the issues.
1. I find air power to be what will decide the war with china air superiority with cas is very important and in order to ensure i have enough cas to stomp the chinese i set up my production lines like this, -3 on guns,- 1 on motorized,- 3 on support equipment,- 8 on cas,- the rest on fighters. You will not be able to have this many mils at the start but you wil gain them through the focuses and decisions
2.Your research off the bat should be fighter 1s, both industry techs, and mechanical computing. After the computing and industrial techs are done focus on getting to signal companies, logistics companies, and researching the first two superior firepower techs. Make sure you request licenses because as japan your research is weak
3. So third I find that 40 width 14/4s with logistics and signal companies are what will stomp the Chinese every time make sure you delete all but 4 of your cavalry and 20 of your reserve 12 width divisions in order to supply your new divisions
3. Build up the port in dalian to 10 and buidl up the second state in the dalian province to a level 5 port, you may have to build aa in dalian due to Russian strat bombers. Build up east Hebei to at least a level 8 airport and south chahar to a level 2
4. Take your remaining 10 reserve divisions and have them defend japan's ports as this makes it impossible for china to meme you and your going to need to garrison japan the whole war anyway.
5. Once your ports in dalian are constructed place your divisions on chinas land border with you and let me go over the strategy for walking into china with minimum equipment loss and maximum xp gain
Okay man I just realized im typing an essay here do you have discord? lol sorry but I cant handle any more typing for now.
@@austinturner8373 well 1: you can also use the tac bombers as cas, 2: i dont really think there is a reason to get fighter 1's even with the air force having no work put into it china cant compete, they dont have enough civs to trade for oil and only use 20-40 fighters at a time 3: yes it stomps and in mp you need 14/4 but in sp i dont rlly think so but point taken, 3: forgot to mention that but you dont need to worry about russian bombers most anymore sense after the update russia in most servers is only allowed to send guns and strat bombers are banned in mp anyway, 4: you could do that but as long as you have naval sup china cant even get close 5: agreed and yes i do its in the desc
@@dustinl796 hey if your really interested in talking strategy hit me up on discord I just joined yours im axe2050
I am once again(I asked about the usa guide and you answered thank you alot by the way) asking if this works still
thx man
Relatively new player here. I don't understand what you mean when you recommend to fill the carriers with fighters so you'll outproduce the US
Basicly on carriers put only fighters depending on the size of the carrier, normally usa players have 4 or 5 mills on carrier fighters in mp concentrating on fighters to help in europe. By using the zero as your primary plane and with decisions to lower production cost youll be making 5 or 6 times as many and if you win the air battles youll out match them 😁
@@dustinl796 ohh I see. But given my carriers have like 57 deck space or something like that. Let's say I have 6 carriers: 6x57=342 fighters at most. Then... If I understand correctly... any more zeros that are produced are not really effective for anything else than being stockpiled and reinforce right? So how outproducing my enemies will benefit me if I'm stuck in a bottleneck. Plus, would I need to adapt my fleets for the lack of naval bombers?
How do you set up the Naval invasions for the ports you selected. I try to do it and it tells me that "This is not a valid province for the invasion"
Make sure the zone launching from is a port first, and you have enough convoys. And.... you have the naval invasion tech
Hey,Dustin Im quite a begginer in hoi4 How do I NOT run out of fuel while deploying your airforce to china Same thing with your navy.
I must be doing something wrong because I followed your guide, tried it multiple times and I just can't get it to work. I have all DLC.
Those bombers do almost nothing at all.
I am able to get 2 invasions off and get a decent foothold but can't advance.
My main force isn't even able to break through the north, I managed to take beijing but now I'm stuck. It's mid 39 and all my troops are holding but they can't push through, I have a serious artillery deficit now and can't push because of it.
Even before the arty deficit I can't seem to push through even tho I have more troops and they're of better quality and I have air superiority.
Recently the ai was givien some bonuses when fighting players so the strat still works but its just more difficult
Real fast, what is the purpose of the 4/4 division? Is it to later build into a 40width or is there something I'm missing there?
Unrealname You could probably make it into a 40 width infantry artillery division especially with the army bonuses japan can get those would be ur offensive divisions if ur playing against ai raj and if u can build enough early ai china
Due to China having low Supply already as it is and then once you start fighting you'll be destroying the infrastructure lowering Supply even more if you use 40 weeks and don't have at least Logistics 2 you will have so many Supply problems the Chinese will be able to hold you off until they get enough troops out start pushing you
Oh true but late game going against the allies(ai game ofc) they would have a significant effect
I disagree.
Join Axis at start.
Then justify on UK and naval invade them from Germany.
Then u got an EZ victory
Well yeah that could easily work but this guide was also made to work for multiplayer and the majority of historic games definitely wouldn't allow something like that
Dustinl796 Videos oh lol.
Yea this is a good multiplayer guide.
I guess I was just saying for single player/if they allow it.
I already made a run with this strategy. It's really satisfying. :D
No navy production?
I set patrol half of my fleet 100 ships and 100 as strike force and ı only sunk subs but my marines just conquered the whole pacific without destroying any us capitals it says there are 60 enemy ships but kamikaze strikes do nothing I only detect subs and even though I built 30 synthethics and researced most of the stuff in my time I was not able to run my navy(before occupying Dutch and malaya states) and sent them to harbor and then US convoy raiding subs sunk my all 300 convoys and built them in 2 years.so I just occupied and was not able to land on USA can you make a US invasion guide they have 150 divs and when I land they will pr obably press immediately deployment button and have nearly 200 and its likely to be a stalemate as I wil have low supplies everywhere
Ill try 😁
Hey, something you didn´t talk about in this video is the question wether you converted your millitary-factories into civs for the first year. Is this still viable or not?
Well to be honest a lot of people don't think it is but I still think it is in certain situations, for example if China is an AI you can easily push so then you can do the Strat to get a huge amount of civs but you won't be able to go to war until 38-39 which a lot of people think is a really bad idea since you won't be able to actually take him out until 1940 leaving one year of build up before war with the allies,
When I start a new game with Japan, from the first day on my subjects want to raise their autonomy level. It seems that this isn't the case in your game. Is there a reason?
Historic ai maybe?
I'm confused, how were you able to have multiple naval invasions with more than 10 divisions in 1936? Did you research to the next tier in that time, or is there something that I don't understand
i set up several naval invasions with just 1 division each so i could land 10 in sever areas :)
@@dustinl796 oh okay and thanks for staying active even tho this video is semi-old :)
where you using the standard 20w and 4/4's the entire time? where all your divisions 20w's? and if not what were your other templates?
I use three or four different templates when playing like this, I use 20 with all Infantry for china with 10-20 14/4 to actually push and encircle enough to the point when the Army is so weak and has lost so many troops to encirclement use the 20 widthsto just aggressively attack, then 10 width Marines with 40 width Marines to attack British Malaya and the Dutch East Indies,
alright Thanks, that cleared things up. Great video btw keep up the good work
Glad to be of assistance 😁
Do you recomendate to attack China soon o when Japan is well-prepared? What do you do with the combustible problem?
That's really based on how you play, first off if it's in a multiplayer game you should attack China when you feel comfortable. Singleplayer the earlier you can attack the better because they're a lot weaker due to penalties and debuffs
@@dustinl796 okey! Thank you very much!
And what is your strategy about combustible? Because for me is very difficult to have an active marine and aviaton and have combustible too
What's the mod to get those fancy background pictures in the research trees?
Actually I don't have any mods on for that, I'm pretty sure it's in the base game
@@dustinl796 I guess I never noticed the background pictures haha
What does your marine template include?
8/8, 8 marines and 8 arty with superior firepower
I think a Zero to Nav Bomber ratio of 2-1 (40-20) would be pretty good why not use that?
You can it's just more of preference for Carrier loadouts to be honest
Is it an ingame setting or a mod that matches the unit colors to the specific country?
Actually it's a button in the bottom right, where it has the six little tiny squares it's one of those buttons you can check and uncheck, go into to single player to try it out
@@dustinl796 Ah got it, thank you!
Np 😁
I’m having trouble making my ships actually battle, I make them go into a strike force then no battles happen!
One thing you can do is left click the Zone in the normal map mode and see if it says anything about enemy ships present. If it does see if your Navy is detecting them. If it stops detecting in the high twenties or 30s your detection is not high enough and need radar on your ships. If it's getting to a hundred but no battles are happening then pause the game really quick and give them an order to go to a port, then right click remove all orders and click okay. Then tell them to patrol or strike force again in the exact same Zone as before and they'll instantly battle as long as the detection was at 100%
This was a very good video. Thank you dustin.
Things that you are still somehow unclear to me
1. How many times should I escalate before pushing into china?
2. Once you said that I should always convert my Light Ships etc. Sadly you did not show how/what to convert exactly.
3. So as far as I understand you want me to build 8 CVs and then go for 4 Synthetics and a few Silos? What do I build after the war with China? Dockyards?
4. You mentioned that with all bonuses I should get a -60% discount on the Zero fighter planes but the only thing you showed was the -20% decision. Am I missing something?
Thanks in advance !!
1 you should try to get as much of the penalty gone as possible, if you've done supremacy of will you can get it down to 10 or 20% and easily push. 2 select a Navy and find the upgrade option beside the ships 3 those are just the base numbers you really need to accomplish anything long term realistically after then you should start building Mills and synthetics until you've taken out China and then start building more synthetics and dockyards to help you with the allies, 4 you get a 20% decision but if you get up to dispersed three each level gives you another 10% Factory output so that's 50% for the fighters already, then if you're on free trade that's an extra 15% so it's a 65% bonus
@@dustinl796
1. Thanks
2. I know how to upgrade, you just did not specifically say which ships I should convert into which models.(For example should I convert my DDs into Anti Sub DDs? If so how many ? etc.) Which is fine I guess, but the part I am most missing is how I should arrange/handle my fleet given the Ships Japan Starts as. Make 1 big Strike force? Make 3 Medium Strike forces (with carriers and heavy ships evenly distributed) ? Etc. I wish you could have said more about handeling the Japan fleet in general as I am lost in this area the most in this expansion.
3. Ok so let me rephrase that: How many CVs should I roughly have after the War with china?
4. Ah I see. Thanks! So you still believe dispersed is the way to go :D good to know !
2 realistically the only thing that should need to be upgraded would be destroyers to just basic models that can cover everything to have depth charges decent guns and torpedoes, however aircraft carriers are going to be the number one thing for you to use since you have the bonuses with the zeros to easily Wipe Out the enemy plans then you can also load Torpedoes on them once you've taken out most of America's Air Force. 3 it really depends on the situation at hand most of the time I hardly ever even use the Navy outside of getting an invasion into the Dutch East Indies since you need to save as much fuel as possible to keep the air war going as long as you can to pull off weight from Germany
@@dustinl796 2. Ok perfect. Last question: How many dockyards should I dedicate to produce carriers? How many dockyards for other purposes?
To be honest as Japan I don't ever really produce any screens whatsoever aside from a few light Cruisers, the majority of the time every dockyard I have in the very beginning goes exclusively to aircraft carriers until I have at least 10 or 15 once you hit this number if you can get air superiority with your zeros and put a few torpedo bombers with them your Navy becomes Unstoppable as long as you have enough fuel to supply them and then you just continuously rotate them out of small fleets.
stupid question from a newbie.
Would it not bring more advantage to get some havy fighter on the carriers?
I mean if that is possible of course.
It cost more manpower but they are more effectiv
Oh and also by spamming out 20's out.
This with the cannons so the 4 4s
Or the classics ?
There insn't option for Heavy fighter carrier
@@mareklavicka998
Guess that's why.
DO you know why you should go full fighter and not making it half half.
Half naval bomber and half fighters?
Bal Gu because you need to get air superiority, and as Japan you will have an unlimited amount of good carrier fighters
@@vlagislaverema92
Makes sense when you're fighting the alies etc.
But does it make a difference in naval combat?
Bal Gu I am talking directly about naval combat , it just works strange, in the combat it counts the strength and number of planes directly on the carriers and then just completely wipe out the weaker side (i mean planes of the weaker side)
You should make a guide on how to make minor nation a major power
Well to be honest I don't know if that's really possible right now, if you play a somebody in South America you can only take out two countries before the Allies start guaranteeing independence of everybody so that's out, if you try the same thing in Europe Germany is so powerful now it's steam rolls you unless you've been building from the very beginning and you're some big nation like Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia that's got Forts and can hold
@@dustinl796 Turkish Empire
Well they're not exactly a minor though 😂
can you continue the Germany series 1936-1945?
Unfortunately it happened quite a while ago. After one of the mod updates it corrupted the save game so I would have to start over fresh
Anyone still reply to this video? Because I'm a newbie playing vanilla hoi 4 in the La Resistance patch and conquering China as Japan is just impossible! I followed all the tips such as naval invasions from all directions, smashing "escalate" button, but what always end up happening is the communists and more Chinese troops just keep swallowing up my northern territories while my armies barely makes a dent at the Beijing front or anywhere they land! I'm also having a big attrition and supply problem where my armies are never at their optimal fighting strength and my production isn't helping, even if I had my divisions as 40 widths with artillery.
build an airport in mengkukuo to provie +25% air support bonus and use your ships to give shore bombardment at the port city below beijing -25% hex on the chinese defenders., you can break that square then burst through it to stretch out their lines, thats a good start.
Which fleet doctrine to go as uk and jaapan?
For Japan definitely base strike, for UK probably Fleet and being
Hello, I would I do if US just spamming subs, should I focus on Destroyers or there some other method?
Pretty much you need to focus on destroyers and depth charges along with sonar
How do you use carriers?
check my guides playlist, its really complicated tho
I'm not that big of a Japan player, I like to play in/around Europe most of the time, a friend of mine was like:
"You, me, 1v1, I'm Japan, pick whatever you want!"
I of course, agreed, why wouldn't I.
I load up youtube, refresh my subs, and long and behold, I found out why my friend wants to play Japan.
I love it
P.S. If you are making a guide about the UK, delay it, I don't want them getting any ideas of another country to play, haha
Well next is usa, germany then uk
Does this strategy work with the Expert AI mod enabled?
Probably would to be honest
*GuIdE ThE ZiAtSbUs*
Do you get involved at all with the Spanish Civil war?
In single player not so much, in multiplayer I try to so that you can get extra Army XP for China