It baffles me how the lady who spent 38 years with no hope of release to this day is somehow too dangerous to society or hasn’t “paid” for her crime compared to the lady who had two kids taken away because of abuse and ended up killing her third and she gets released. Honestly it seems like there’s no real reason or prudent consideration on these things. I’m pretty sure the lady who’s been there 38 years will never be released because the public in the seventies was so appalled by her case and the lady who killed her child didn’t get much public attention.
You are only hearing the very tip of the iceberg of these cases and also hearing it how long after the fact? Everyone knows a story changes with time, the details get lost, lies they have told themselves over and over are now real to them. Everyone in prison is innocent, just ask them. It's all BS. You don't end up in prison if you aren't F'n around at the edges of society somehow.
I totally understand where you are coming from but I was just wondering if this is maybe because she had committed this crime at such a young age and her capability to do so even at that age sets her apart from others?
Hmmm.. as usual my comments were censored for no logical reason. You're only seeing a glimpse of these peoples lives, tip of the iceberg. These people got the sentences they did based on a lot of factors, it's not just free willy nilly decided on.
As usual my comments were censored for no logical reason. You're only seeing a glimpse of these peoples lives, tip of the iceberg. These people got the sentences they did based on a lot of factors, it's not just baseless.
@@MotoAtheisti don't sympathise with most of these women but sometimes mixing with the wrong crowd, coming from very bad family background or a series of bad decisions enough to derail your life. They're not necessarily evil people, the drog addict girl is more like victim not a criminal
@@sheldorfhayabusa1939 Choices! People always have a good or bad version of just about every choice. Choice: Do the drug or not do the drug. Addiction is an overused and abused word. Addiction doesn't happen overnight with a few bad decisions to try them out. Nobody is addicted after their first or even 20th time. Addiction happens by continuously making a voluntary choice to keep using over and over and over until it finally takes hold after months of hardcore use or years of minimal use.
@@sheldorfhayabusa1939 The word addiction is way overused and abused. You don't become a drug addict over night or even the first 20 times or even 40 times. It takes months of voluntary hardcore use even up to year of mediocre use where it's a choice to continue. You have all these people who claim "I was on pain meds for this or that and got addicted" and that's BS in 99.99999% of the cases if taken properly as prescribed. Instead, they don't follow directions and over do it and that's why they become addicted. I took pain meds for a kidney stone and couldn't wait to get off them, but other people enjoy the spaced out state and choose to seek it out and that's a total choice.
Yep she’s a monster and reading about Cindy just makes me even sadder. I’m in Australia so obviously not the same legal system but it just doesn’t make sense anywhere imo.
The baby killer had post natal depression - a condition that can last up to 3 years. She is past that and seems she doesn't pose a risk to society. As long as she doesn't give another birth and considering her age and what happened that is highly unlikely then she is for all effects and purposes rehabilitated. So it the other one that you mentioned. That is why US prisons are overcrowded.
Anyone else think the lady in since she was 16 shouldn't be there? That was so obviously a kid in a bad situation making a choice she didn't understand. Trying to help the people get out of the fire? Absolutely wild that she would be serving life for that. Also, I'm not saying she shouldn't serve time, but life doesn't make sense to me.
@@bambesfresser I agree to a point. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions. Severe mental illness, perhaps caused by continuous mental trauma that’s been undiagnosed and untreated should be taken into consideration.
She's smiling while recounting shooting someone in the face. She isn't sorry, she's just sorry she got caught. This woman is as disturbing as that Sarah.
Yup. Sad to think that apparently there are 2 kids out there who have this as their real mother. I wonder what it's like to be them. I hope they have a good foster mom or stepmom or something. I also hope they realize it's probably not a good idea to attempt to meet or get in touch with their real mom. The best news is, she'll likely never get out. She had time added because of her behavior in prison. She'll probably continue to behave badly and have more and more time added to her sentence until she can't ever get out.
Based on my observations, I find that there is a striking level of honesty and frankness in their stories. What's more is that they see to be careful, thoughtful and deliberate with their words. They choose them carefully.
I thought the opposite: them being so careful and slow to answer, taking their time to roll their eyes and everything: I read that as being very cunning as to how they want to be perceived, very smart and even manipulative in showing their emotional, remorseful side and focusing on their children and so on... I think we should listen to them, and it was very interesting to get this inside view. But at the same time we should be very careful to believe them and everything they say...
Most incarcerated women are also victims themselves, not seldomly of horrendous abuse. My heart breaks for Cindy who suffered so immensely from countless rapes by her father as a young girl, and her act of desperation ended her spending the rest of her life behind bars. Her life still has an invaluable meaning as a mother for the many lost young women coming to the facilities.
@@maryjanekeneipp6623 She didn't choose to sneak out of the house full of sleeping people. She chose to start a fire and kill them. The 4 children were aged 7, 6, 5 and 4.
@@maryjanekeneipp6623 Why don't you pay for a good lawyer for her and if she gets out, let her stay with you and take care of her if you feel so bad for her.
Well yes, yes it does. How many 16 year olds in society who think twice about the crimes they might want to commit because they know they're going to be held liable think about it
Unreal that Cindy can't be given a second chance in society. 38 years for trying to escape an abusive home environment & then trying to save those people. Wow, US courts & prison systems are not for rehabilitation at all. Its all geared towards profit. Glad i live in Australia
@@williamrose7184 umm what I am Australian and they don't arrest for free speech lol and Australia has a 95 out of 100 freedom score where usa has 83 so i think we have a much better country and we can get government support to pay some of our electric bills but we get much higher pay in this country than the US.
@@laurencats553 everything you just said sir is completely wrong….. you see here in America we don’t want help from the government to pay our electricity. Because the government does not make money the only way the government gets the money is by taxing the people. So your friends are helping you pay your electric, not the government.
While I believe post partum is a very real thing, I can't ignore that she had 2 previous children removed for abuse. I'll leave that there. However the lady that has done 38 years, I find it troubling that zero credence was given for years of sexual abuse. The system is so messed up!
25:12 Sarah "Cindy" White was convicted in 1976 of setting a fire that killed a Greenwood family of six: Charles Roberson, 45; his wife, Carole, 41; and their children: Michael, 7; Dale, 6; Gary, 5; and Sissy, 4. White, then 18, was a live-in baby sitter for the Robersons, a position she took soon after she was released from an Indianapolis mental hospital. She was convicted by a Johnson Circuit Court jury on six counts of felony murder and one count of arson and was sentenced to six concurrent terms of life in prison.
Ahhhh thank you for explaining this. There were innocent children that burned alive. I understand her sentence a little more. But still don’t think the lady who killed her baby should walk free
It's a bit disturbing to think that after knowing what she did (Sarah Cindy White), she can sit there and act sad like she can't comprehend why she hasn't been let out.. As if her life-long sentence is too long when she literally took more years of life from these 6 people.
A mother who abuses her first two children and they’re taken from her, and then kills her 3 mo. old. Dawn needs to have a mandatory tubal ligation (won’t happen), and not be allowed to be alone with, or ever work with children in any form. I’m a state certified mandated reporter of child abuse. I’ve also worked closely with highly at-risk pregnant women and new mothers for eight years. Yes, provide help and resources, but when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
18:28. Dawn the baby killer referred to her victim as "another person" and "somebody". This "person" was her own child, an infant son! This is very telling to me, it puts into perspective her mindset during the time before, during and since the murder. Very cold and emotionally and mentally unattached to her baby. I believe she is a classic sociopath with no empathy, guilt or remorse.
I wonder what her attempt to suicide would have been for ? Avoiding prison life Instead of guilt ? I almost believed she had remorse … ugh I would believe any manipulative criminal . God save me 🙏🏻
@@MsSilkyJuneja No saving needed. You obviously look for the good in people instead of rushing to judgement, which is all too common in the climate we live in.
Sir Trevor McDonald, this was so good. I shall be thinking of these women for days. I watched your first and second documentary. So sad, as you say terrible for all concerned. Seeing you again reminded me of the days when i used to watch you give us the evening news in the UK. 😇
18:27 “I had taken another person’s life” is such a weird and detached way to say you killed your own three month old baby? Like you didn’t just kill a ‘person’ you killed your own infant child
This woman who was incarcerated at 16 for trying to flee an abusive childhood should never have been convicted to life! Our justice system is an actual complete injustice 🤦♀️ 😡
@@MotoAtheist Well I get that the thought of her freedom disturbs u but u can be polite instead of trolling people who are just disturbed; are u personally harmed by her or any criminal ? Cus that’s the only reason I see behind this kind of response
I think she has way too much to say and is using this interviewer for a lot of attention. The inmate in solitary is known as the most manipulative, in my opinion, she is just as machiavellian in her narrative if not more so. Chilling😮
That baby killer while explaining her killing her baby was smiling the whole time with some weird duper's delight and she is getting ready to be released??? She shows no remorse whatsoever yet there sits Cindy. The justice system is messed up.
Jesus Christ, that lady that's been there since she was 16 should be released by now, no? If the story is true that she just tried to escape from extreme abuse... Her "killings" have obviously been accidental. There's no comparison it seems with offending. Obviously you're judged by the law at the time of offending, but we don't live in the 70's anymore and some cases should be re-evaluated.
I would agree she would be a good case for a presidential pardon. Only problem that after so long behind bars, it will be brutal for her to readjust to outside life.
I think we should be careful to assume everything she said is true, she has grown up in this Environment of liers and manipulators and i think she Chose her words carefully, portraying herself as a victim that just wanted to flee. Notice how in the TV flashback she had said that she had started the fire as a cry for help. How is that connected?! That they refused her parole time and time again might be somehow justifiable, we dont know all the facts and perspectives
The very kind gentleman that is interviewing these women is amazing. What is his name? I want to know about him. I love the way he speaks and the questions he asks is remarkable. It must difficult to interview them while many are smiling. Disgusted! I wonder if he has wtitten any books. If not, he should. The insight he has is overwhelming. And, his facial expressions NEVER change. What a wonderful man. WOW! Yout thoughts people? Agree? Disagree? Woullolove to know. Thank you everyone.
she is just day dreaming out of nervousness, she knows when she gets out, it would be impossible for her to adjust in a society she left behind her years back and , normally, convicts and murderers are never accepted in the society again, they normally kill themselves or suicide or make another harm out of anxiety for being rejected
there is no fair justice, why would the baby killer be out and the other who were abused as a teenager and try to self defend would still be in jail....???
The want to be a baker is a better plan then many ideas, it is plan that is not child heavy, and should be able to support herself. The reason so many return is lack of income and support. There are tons of bakery positions and it is no low human contact for most positions. The real question is why should we as tax payers pay for her upkeep instead of her getting out a changed 42 year old.
Well these prisoners can be very manipulative, who knows what the real story is … some r saying she loved the man of the house and was a live in nanny and this was her revenge.
Probably because she’s shut down emotionally. Most people don’t end up in prison for “making a mistake”. They get there as a result of a long line of experiences that shape their personal psychology.
She may also see herself as another person & can no longer identify with that part of her that committed the crime. The human mind has all sorts of ways of protecting itself from trauma & the things we come to regret, feel guilty about, or are ashamed of.
Sociopath. And there’s no real fixing it. I met a number of them when I worked with criminals. However, the old gal who’d been there since she was 16 is likely no danger to anyone.
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl You have NO clue the deepest depths of the soul regardless of the circumstances ‼️‼️ You can’t judge what’s in someone’s mind and what they went through !
She might act sweet on camera, but I don't think her victims were thinking to themselves "Wow, this woman is a sweet and kind lady" as they were burning to death.
@@Qon2Wheels well, there's a rumor that she sent a love letter to her "Abuser." If that's true, that tells a completely different story. It's possible that everything she said was a lie, and the truth was that she loved the guy, he didn't love her back, and she burned down the house with everyone inside as revenge. If that's what she did and she won't admit that's what she did, then it would make sense that they're not releasing. This is a case where I don't know what's true and what's not. However, her reasons for setting the fire don't make any sense. If she was being abused, couldn't she just sneak out at night? And if all of the abuse stories are true, I have no problem with the argument that the parents deserved it, but what about the kids? They didn't hurt her in any way. They didn't deserve to die. and, she says she tried to help the kids, but I've heard that they found evidence that they tried to escape and she wasn't helping them. And if she just wanted revenge against the parents, why didn't she get the kids out before she set the fire? And that's not even her story: she said no one was supposed to die in the fire. They also found evidence that she poured some sort of accelerant all over the house so that the fire would spread. Why'd she do that if it was supposed to be a small fire that wasn't supposed to do as much damage that it did. This is a confusing case where different sources tell you different things. At best, she's a very unfortunate victim who had a poorly thought out escape plan. She could also be a cold-blooded murderer who is lying about her story to this day. I don't know what's true and what's not.
she would never come out, look at her face and the way she talks, she babbles too much without thinking for a moment, people who talk so fast out of nervousness end up in most crucial situations and trap more and more, she would stay in prison because she would commit an other crime in her cell, I am sure of that
German prisons focus on the rehabilitation of criminals. What's the use of incarcerating them for more than 30 years, if they really aren't a danger to society at all and just want to live a peaceful life? I mean it costs a huge amount of money and serves no purpose.
America is not exactly a country that I would call civilized when it comes to the state apparatus. Just as in Europe, for example, the TÜV is responsible for the safety of cars etc., in America the manufacturers themselves simply ensure that their cars are safe. Where in Germany, for example, there is statutory health insurance and social security for people who slip into precarious employment, in America you have high medical costs and no insurance at all. America's government system is made for people who have money, not for people who need help.
It is.. but being in a cell with 7-9 other women isn’t great either .. especially when yourself and all of the rest are withdrawing and there’s one toilet with no curtain or door.. ask me how I know. I’d rather be in a single cell for 23 hours and my own toilet and unlimited book than the alternative 😬
Sometimes having a baby changes a person. At times it's the love sometimes it's maternal instinct and sometimes it's just the fact that you start realising that you don’t want your kids to have the same fate as you do. I hope the best for all the female inmates. I hope the take charges of their lives and change themselves for the sake of their innocent kids.
she had two taken away for massive abuse before she had the 3rd she found out she was preg with him when she was out of jail for breaking an arm of one of her other kids or something. She would just throw them on the ground if they wouldn't stop crying. She should never be let out and she should for sure never be allowed to have any more kids.
I wish that everyone who is disgusted about the lifetime sentence given to Cindy could get a campaign activated to flood the parole board with letters criticizing her inability to get parole because of something she did as a wounded youth. I would definitely add my letter to that effort. I have worked as a corrections officer.
I am a social worker and have a young woman on my caseload who had to help her mom hide her stepdads dead body. This young woman was convicted of a couple felonies at the age of 17. She served 7 years. She has struggled since being released and does not have any family support. She had a traumatic upbringing and had only been living with her mom for 2 years when this happened. The state decided that the mom was stable enough to have her children back. The young woman has ptsd, night terrors, and certain smells take her back to that day and make her shut down. The prison ststem where I live does not focus on rehabilitation. They do not ready people for the outside. The American legal system needs a severe overhaul and resctructuring.
I live in Sweden and people definitely don’t get this long jail sentences like in the us. Feel like especially Cindy didn’t deserve such a long sentence considering the abuse behind her actions.
The kids didn't abuse her at all. They didn't deserve to die. And we don't know if she's telling the truth about the abuse. They found love letters that she sent to the guy. Why would she love an abuser? The evidence suggests that she was mad that he didn't love her back and he did this out of revenge. Whether that's true or not I'm not sure. But I am sure that she could have snuck out at night instead of setting a fire and spreading a fire accelerant all over the house.
Absolutely. As a fellow European, this mindset of excessive prison sentences is appalling. More than that, it isn't productive as the results - or rather the lack thereof - shows.
@@bambesfresser I wonder how you would feel if you got a telephone call telling you your brother, his wife and their four little children had been murdered in their beds by someone who set a fire in the middle of the night, under the family Christmas tree. She didn't sneak out & get away. She committed murder.
It's telling that the U.S. has the highest prison population in the developed world. Listening to most of these women, I couldn't help but think that the system failed them. Those who are charged with protecting them, from their parents to social welfare organizations, failed them. Speaking as an American, I think part of the problem is that our society is so obsessed with the idea of rugged individualism while other countries focus on collective good. Social welfare is horribly underfunded. So many young people are left to look out for themselves when they don't have the emotional or intellectual capability to do so. I'm not making excuses for the terrible crimes many of these women have committed. I just don't believe they would have committed such crimes had they been properly cared for from an early age, rather than being left to fend for themselves. It's truly tragic.
@@janegrey9978 well, if you're listening to them, they might not be telling the full truth. Convicted felons are some of the least reliable sources for facts. Of course, they know more about their own cases than we do, but they won't necessarily tell the truth to a stranger, or to anyone. They could all be evil women painting themselves as victims. In the case of the arsonist, I've heard conflicting things about her story. Some sources say that they found a love letter that she had sent to her "Abuser." If that's true, that paints a VERY different picture about what she did, and it would also means that she's lying to this day which is why they're not releasing her. And every source other than her claims she was actually 18, not 16, when she did the crime. It's a case that intrigues me because I don't know what's true and what's not.
And yet they release a child murderer... that is totally out of her mind... WHATTA JUSTICE SYSTEM IN AMERICA... Who are those judges who make these wrong decisions.,,, ROTTEN
the lady who was there since she was 16 doesn't deserve her sentence at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What kind of justice is that???? she was 16 and abused multiple times in the house, she wanted to save her life from the people who abused her and should have been in prison actually! The fire got out of control, ok but she was young and her intention was to save her life from abusers, this is self defense actually! I can't believe her sentence is 40 years in prison when those who commit sexual abuse get so little in general. Also the lady who escaped for 30 years and had a normal life for these 30 years.... doesn't make sense she is in prison. The last lady who killed her baby seems a psychopath on the contrary to others who do not deserve their sentences... This world is so sick really! I believe many narcissisitic people are judges which allows bad justice!
@@joeg9112 It wasn't her intention to kill anyone. She did a foolish thing to try and get away from abusive people. Here in Canada she would have gotten a couple years in juvenile detention and released. Our systen is too lenient, yours is better but still needs tweeking.
@@dan4345 Too bad you do not have all the facts and details. Age does not override everything - method, amount of damage, attempt at cover up, attitude afterwards, etc....
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl not when it was YOUR baby. No one refers to their own child as “somebody” unless they are completely emotionally detached is my point. You seemed to understand differently 🙄
I thought the same thing! I wish I found out the update on her, because if she was really released 2 - 3 years after this interview, with the same attitude, she didn't seem a very safe person around children, or anyone, in my opinion. 😕
She was smiling the whole time talking about robbing that guy and shooting him in the face like it's a joke. She didn't feel bad about shooting an innocent man ... untill the judge gave her 30 years. Deserves life in prison.
People should be analyzed before their sentencing or placements as to what their psychological issues are so that they can make the best improvements during their sentenced time. Why put a woman into a general situation if she has difficulties dealing with the general population and treat her for that rather than adding time? If anything else it would be cheaper for society.
I listened to the story of the lady who came to prison at 16 on Killer Psyche. Her story is heartbreaking. She should be free. 38 years is enough given her circumstances.
The lady that has been in prison for 38 year's shouldn't be there still! Yes i know she set a fire that killed 6 people and that is horrific, but that poor woman was only 16 and she had been sexually assaulted for year's. And she was trying to save those people. Surely some lenience could be given to her. I feel so sad for the people who died, but I also feel so sad for her.
Sarah "Cindy" White was convicted in 1976 of setting a fire that killed a Greenwood family of six: Charles Roberson, 45; his wife, Carole, 41; and their children: Michael, 7; Dale, 6; Gary, 5; and Sissy, 4. White, then 18, was a live-in baby sitter for the Robersons, a position she took soon after she was released from an Indianapolis mental hospital. She was convicted by a Johnson Circuit Court jury on six counts of felony murder and one count of arson and was sentenced to six concurrent terms of life in prison.
segregated incarceration is a form of torture. Considering how we deal with prisoners overall, it's shocking that anyone is confined in that manner. Maybe if we actually tried to rehabilitate prisoners, there wouldn't even be a need for segregation (as well as a plethora of other things).
Murder of 6 people at 16...kinda of crazy to keep her for life. Life sentences for juveniles is no longer a law. Not saying that Sara deserved to go to prison but life at 16 seems a bit much.
The lady in for setting the fire that killed six people says there's nothing out there that says she exists, but there is----there are six graves that proves she exists and will always prove she existed.
I'm in my jammies in my bed, in my home that I own. There were MANY times I could have made a poor CHOICE. THANK GOD that I did not. Thank you so much God, for doing for me, what I could not do for myself. God gave me a moment of clarity, then left the choice up to me.
I think being handcuffed while ur giving birth would not only traumatize the mother spiritual and mentally but it would affect the baby in some way as well
38:41 I don’t understand why this lady can’t go home and why they won’t let her go home. She fought for her life with many years of abuse. She tried to fight her way out and she goes to jail for it but yet you have those girl who killed her own baby and she’s being let out I don’t understand it.
The way the “baby killer” refers to the victim (HER SON!) as “someone” as if he was a stranger makes me sick. She should’ve gotten life. She had an abusive nature to her from abusing her other 2 kids.
The judicial system makes NO sense to me. People who didn’t even pull a trigger but just were an accomplice got more years than the woman who killed an innocent child. 16 year old that was horrendously abused gets charged with all the murders of her abusers because she set fire to the house. I know some time might have to be served but how does a baby killer get to walk free over some of the other ladies.
Follow the $ Babies don't make profit till in the colonizers systems. The punishment isn't about what was done but WHO it was done to or the number of. Their systems should not make sense to you. Be more concerned that to some it does.
Im so sad for the babies. Not saying these women are all horrible or can't take care of them, but these little ones should be playing outside under the sun, have playmates, toys, a room of their own.... They should be living their lives, not serving a sentence with their parent.
Frankly many of those incidents that lead these women to be incarcerated for life need to be reviewed. Have they tried therapy to help them and considering training for work and insert them back into society. This is sad 😢
How is Cindy still in prison??? She was 16, made a dumb choice, and has BEYOND paid for her crime, especially since she was abused. I am so sorry for her, I wish America's "justice system" was even remotely intelligently run
I do feel though like the lady that has been there since she was 16 could be let go. But also the lady that was on the run for 30 years has shown that she was rehabilitated and was a contributing member of society. So sad that the system does not allow for recovery
Please let that woman go home. She made a mistake when she was a teenager and paid for it .... She has served her time now. She is not a danger to society.
It only takes 3 seconds of shaking a baby out of frustration for them to die. She said she suffered from postpartum depression. Babies can cry on average for about 5h a day. Adding all of this up it doesnt seem so impossible.
It’s unnatural for a woman to need to find ways to care for a child without community. Stop trying to scapegoat individuals for systemic issues created in America.
My grandmother went through postpartum psychosis. She burned my mom's fingers when she was a baby and my mom had to get some of them amputated as a result. I know it sounds crazy, but my grandma was the nicest, most non-confrontational, supportive lady and it was extremely out of character. Ironically, she and my mom had a great relationship when she was alive and she was deeply apologetic because she didn't even understand what was going on with her own mental health at the time, especially since she went through it in the '60s. New mothers really need support and monitoring of their mental health by loved ones.
@@marissar.359 Yes, we need to support new young families. It’s tough enough in ordinary circumstances, and postpartum is no joke. I’m grateful your mother and grandmother ended up having a good relationship after all.That’s a miracle .
I can’t understand how anyone can hurt a child. Their own or others. While me and most other mothers and fathers go out of their way to make sure their children are safe and happy, there are people willing to do something this gruesome. That poor child will never grow up, never have happy moments with friends, fall in love, get own children. Have a life. My heart really breaks. I hope she never get out of prison. She doesn’t deserve one single day in freedom.
@@BartebodilThe human mind is still a great mystery. Mental illness and postpartum depression are horrendous conditions, tidies not dismiss what this women did but it should bring empathy, sympathy, understanding.
@Katepwe don't forget her first two children were taken from her because she was an abuser. An abuser! This is not just because she got post-partum depression after her third child. The way she refers to him as 'somebody' is bloody disturbing
I mean- I agree that you shouldn’t feel sorry for her, but no human is going to spend several years or decades of their life never playing another game again, never smiling or laughing again, etc. because they did a horrific crime beyond what words can explain. It’s just not in human nature to spend years of your life staring at the wall and thinking about the crimes your committed for 24 hours a day. So basically, I don’t feel bad for her either but it’s not because she’s smiling and playing a game. It’s unrealistic to think someone would never do that again after killing their child even if they did feel horrible about it what they did.
Looks like many people agree with me. Also I never said she should never again smile,laugh or play games. U took it upon yourself to assume that's what I said. U know what they say when u assume....
Its sooo sad these women had to be locked up to learn how to act and most already have 2 plus kids! I hope they really can stay out of trouble long enough to be a real mom and be present.
I feel so sorry for everyone... I know they are guilty,but I want them to spend time with their kids and family😢God forgives us anyway, and by now, they all feel tremendous remorse
13:28 Well, my sympathy isn't with her. Some of my sympathy is with her victim. He went through this horrible experience, and he will always be half blind because of it, and the girl who did this to him not only isn't remorseful, she's happy that she did it. Some of my sympathy is with her kids. It would be interesting to see an interview with them. I wonder what it's like to have a mom that's in prison and very much deserves to be there. Also, if she's 22 now and she has had 2 kids, one of them is 6 and one of them is 4, that means she was 16 when she had her first kid and 4 when she had her 2nd one. That's too young to be having kids. 17:04 What? If you're female and you commit a felony in Indiana, your punishment is that you get to play ping pong? 20:02 Words of wisdom. Proof that sometimes even the most heinous criminals can have words of wisdom that we need to hear. 30:15 Those kids were pretty foolish. I don't think a group of kids who weren't born when this happened know the situation any better than the law enforcement men who have the evidence.
Don't male prisons have rec rooms for their felons? Some of these people are in for over a decade. No recreation can damage people psychologically and socially. Prisoners shouldn't be coming out of prison more maladapted than when they came in, it makes them bigger risks to the rest of us when they get out. No need to worry about it softening the punishment, everyone interviewed still hates being there.
That Ball lady… she keeps saying things about I got to get to my kids. I am thinking those kids better grow up fast and pray they don’t ever meet her. Remorseless attempted murder and creates the most problems while in prison?
It would also be good to hear more about the real story and the real facts of their crime, not just from their side. Otherwise, it sounds like, 'I was protecting myself, and now I’m in prison for the rest of my life.’
@@deborahbreeden4394 That is absolutely baffling, I imagine that must have been terrible! Was there a reason the hospitals would strap the women down? Like did the hospital believe that birth would be quicker?
@whatalovelyplant I have no idea what their reasoning was. They even strapped my legs into the stirrups. 13 years later, the same hospital had stopped doing that to Moms in labor. The delivery was better, but the nurse in charge of the babies was a horrible control freak. My guess is that because the Moms were poor, she was able to get away with it. I wrote a letter to the hospital administrator telling him that he had a personnel problem. I said that the delivery staff was superb, but the woman in charge of the nursery was mean to the mothers. He called me on the phone right away, and I said that he had no way of knowing what was going on if nobody told him. The lactation specialist who came to my home told me that the administrator had posted my letter where all of the nurses could read it.
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It baffles me how the lady who spent 38 years with no hope of release to this day is somehow too dangerous to society or hasn’t “paid” for her crime compared to the lady who had two kids taken away because of abuse and ended up killing her third and she gets released. Honestly it seems like there’s no real reason or prudent consideration on these things. I’m pretty sure the lady who’s been there 38 years will never be released because the public in the seventies was so appalled by her case and the lady who killed her child didn’t get much public attention.
A lot of it is subjective. It’s based on the set of circumstances in the trial or plea deals and often the parole boards.
You are only hearing the very tip of the iceberg of these cases and also hearing it how long after the fact? Everyone knows a story changes with time, the details get lost, lies they have told themselves over and over are now real to them. Everyone in prison is innocent, just ask them. It's all BS. You don't end up in prison if you aren't F'n around at the edges of society somehow.
I totally understand where you are coming from but I was just wondering if this is maybe because she had committed this crime at such a young age and her capability to do so even at that age sets her apart from others?
Hmmm.. as usual my comments were censored for no logical reason. You're only seeing a glimpse of these peoples lives, tip of the iceberg. These people got the sentences they did based on a lot of factors, it's not just free willy nilly decided on.
As usual my comments were censored for no logical reason. You're only seeing a glimpse of these peoples lives, tip of the iceberg. These people got the sentences they did based on a lot of factors, it's not just baseless.
watching these prison videos made me realize (among many other things) how precious thing freedom is
Which literally tells you how big a psycho these people must be since they were so easily willing to risk that freedom.
@@MotoAtheisti don't sympathise with most of these women but sometimes mixing with the wrong crowd, coming from very bad family background or a series of bad decisions enough to derail your life. They're not necessarily evil people, the drog addict girl is more like victim not a criminal
@@sheldorfhayabusa1939 Choices! People always have a good or bad version of just about every choice.
Choice: Do the drug or not do the drug.
Addiction is an overused and abused word. Addiction doesn't happen overnight with a few bad decisions to try them out. Nobody is addicted after their first or even 20th time. Addiction happens by continuously making a voluntary choice to keep using over and over and over until it finally takes hold after months of hardcore use or years of minimal use.
@@sheldorfhayabusa1939this is 💯
@@sheldorfhayabusa1939 The word addiction is way overused and abused. You don't become a drug addict over night or even the first 20 times or even 40 times. It takes months of voluntary hardcore use even up to year of mediocre use where it's a choice to continue. You have all these people who claim "I was on pain meds for this or that and got addicted" and that's BS in 99.99999% of the cases if taken properly as prescribed. Instead, they don't follow directions and over do it and that's why they become addicted. I took pain meds for a kidney stone and couldn't wait to get off them, but other people enjoy the spaced out state and choose to seek it out and that's a total choice.
The baby killer goes free and the abused youth that grew up in prison since 1975 will never get out. Some things dont balance.
Yep she’s a monster and reading about Cindy just makes me even sadder. I’m in Australia so obviously not the same legal system but it just doesn’t make sense anywhere imo.
The baby killer had post natal depression - a condition that can last up to 3 years. She is past that and seems she doesn't pose a risk to society. As long as she doesn't give another birth and considering her age and what happened that is highly unlikely then she is for all effects and purposes rehabilitated. So it the other one that you mentioned. That is why US prisons are overcrowded.
@@DaveyGrimmett You feel sorry for a woman who started a fire and killed 6 people?
Anyone else think the lady in since she was 16 shouldn't be there? That was so obviously a kid in a bad situation making a choice she didn't understand. Trying to help the people get out of the fire? Absolutely wild that she would be serving life for that.
Also, I'm not saying she shouldn't serve time, but life doesn't make sense to me.
I agree. Of course it’s very bad everyone else died but she was just a kid trying to survive!
We don’t know all the circumstances. There are many mentally ill children who have done terrible things.
@@Katepwe If you are mentally ill - much less a mentally ill child - how can someone be held responsible for those actions?
@@bambesfresser I agree to a point. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions. Severe mental illness, perhaps caused by continuous mental trauma that’s been undiagnosed and untreated should be taken into consideration.
@@bambesfresser You can keep her at your house, lol.
Trevor McDonald is a great interviewer - dignified and polite. Just old school.
Right! I just love him 🤗
darling man
She's smiling while recounting shooting someone in the face. She isn't sorry, she's just sorry she got caught. This woman is as disturbing as that Sarah.
Yup. Sad to think that apparently there are 2 kids out there who have this as their real mother. I wonder what it's like to be them. I hope they have a good foster mom or stepmom or something. I also hope they realize it's probably not a good idea to attempt to meet or get in touch with their real mom.
The best news is, she'll likely never get out. She had time added because of her behavior in prison. She'll probably continue to behave badly and have more and more time added to her sentence until she can't ever get out.
Concur. It's a blessing in disguise that she isn't raising those babies.
Some people smile when they're nervous.
I noticed that too. She deserves all of those 30 years.
The textbook definition of a sociopath, has no empathy for anyone.
Based on my observations, I find that there is a striking level of honesty and frankness in their stories. What's more is that they see to be careful, thoughtful and deliberate with their words. They choose them carefully.
They have to be; anything they say can and will be used against them if they try and appeal their sentence or get parole or something.
They aren't stupid! They're trying to portray themselves as remorseful, not a danger to society, and this is a really good opportunity.
I thought the opposite: them being so careful and slow to answer, taking their time to roll their eyes and everything: I read that as being very cunning as to how they want to be perceived, very smart and even manipulative in showing their emotional, remorseful side and focusing on their children and so on... I think we should listen to them, and it was very interesting to get this inside view. But at the same time we should be very careful to believe them and everything they say...
Most incarcerated women are also victims themselves, not seldomly of horrendous abuse. My heart breaks for Cindy who suffered so immensely from countless rapes by her father as a young girl, and her act of desperation ended her spending the rest of her life behind bars. Her life still has an invaluable meaning as a mother for the many lost young women coming to the facilities.
She killed 4 kids. None of those kids raped her.
These kind of stories are the most heart breaking to me, she shouldn't be in there, she was child and desperate
@@maryjanekeneipp6623 She didn't choose to sneak out of the house full of sleeping people. She chose to start a fire and kill them. The 4 children were aged 7, 6, 5 and 4.
@@maryjanekeneipp6623 Why don't you pay for a good lawyer for her and if she gets out, let her stay with you and take care of her if you feel so bad for her.
@@MotoAtheistwhy don’t you
punishing a 16 year old for life for making a decision based off of trauma is insane
Well she should have thought of that before doing the horrible crime
Very sad case. I watched it on Deadly Women
That's f crazy whole life full of torment to only be ended all together by the judicial system pretty f up
Well yes, yes it does. How many 16 year olds in society who think twice about the crimes they might want to commit because they know they're going to be held liable think about it
She killed 4 kids with her fire.
“I was that, I am that, I am a lot more than that but that’s who I am!”
Gosh, those words were so deep!
Sooooooo deep…. Yeah….
Unreal that Cindy can't be given a second chance in society. 38 years for trying to escape an abusive home environment & then trying to save those people. Wow, US courts & prison systems are not for rehabilitation at all. Its all geared towards profit. Glad i live in Australia
Yeah where your electricity bills $800 a month and they arrest you for speech. Super great to live in Australia. Said no one ever.
Yeah, when she gets out she can come live with you, stay at your house.
@@williamrose7184 umm what I am Australian and they don't arrest for free speech lol and Australia has a 95 out of 100 freedom score where usa has 83 so i think we have a much better country and we can get government support to pay some of our electric bills but we get much higher pay in this country than the US.
@@laurencats553 everything you just said sir is completely wrong….. you see here in America we don’t want help from the government to pay our electricity. Because the government does not make money the only way the government gets the money is by taxing the people. So your friends are helping you pay your electric, not the government.
@@MotoAtheistDude what's the deal w/copying & pasting the same argumentative comments when anyone mention Cindy?
While I believe post partum is a very real thing, I can't ignore that she had 2 previous children removed for abuse. I'll leave that there. However the lady that has done 38 years, I find it troubling that zero credence was given for years of sexual abuse. The system is so messed up!
YES. The system and SOCIETY.
She killed 4 innocent children.
True but It is very likely that she has had post partum depression after their births as well.
25:12 Sarah "Cindy" White was convicted in 1976 of setting a fire that killed a Greenwood family of six: Charles Roberson, 45; his wife, Carole, 41; and their children: Michael, 7; Dale, 6; Gary, 5; and Sissy, 4. White, then 18, was a live-in baby sitter for the Robersons, a position she took soon after she was released from an Indianapolis mental hospital. She was convicted by a Johnson Circuit Court jury on six counts of felony murder and one count of arson and was sentenced to six concurrent terms of life in prison.
Ahhhh thank you for explaining this. There were innocent children that burned alive. I understand her sentence a little more. But still don’t think the lady who killed her baby should walk free
It's a bit disturbing to think that after knowing what she did (Sarah Cindy White), she can sit there and act sad like she can't comprehend why she hasn't been let out.. As if her life-long sentence is too long when she literally took more years of life from these 6 people.
A mother who abuses her first two children and they’re taken from her, and then kills her 3 mo. old. Dawn needs to have a mandatory tubal ligation (won’t happen), and not be allowed to be alone with, or ever work with children in any form. I’m a state certified mandated reporter of child abuse. I’ve also worked closely with highly at-risk pregnant women and new mothers for eight years. Yes, provide help and resources, but when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Oh yes absolutely agree, is there such a thing as mandatory tubal ligation in the US?
@Dani-Ic9hq Unfortunately, no.
Just a creepy observation. Noticing the interior of some of these prisons look similar to many of our public schools.😕
Brilliant!
By design , yes
Don't forget that
school to prison pipeline
18:28. Dawn the baby killer referred to her victim as "another person" and "somebody". This "person" was her own child, an infant son! This is very telling to me, it puts into perspective her mindset during the time before, during and since the murder. Very cold and emotionally and mentally unattached to her baby. I believe she is a classic sociopath with no empathy, guilt or remorse.
I agree with you and in fact, I would keep her in prison for life as she clearly is not to be trusted around children.
I noticed that too!! Disturbing
I wonder what her attempt to suicide would have been for ? Avoiding prison life Instead of guilt ? I almost believed she had remorse … ugh I would believe any manipulative criminal . God save me 🙏🏻
I was looking for this comment…she needs to stay in there 😭 that’s not “another person” that’s her son!!
@@MsSilkyJuneja No saving needed. You obviously look for the good in people instead of rushing to judgement, which is all too common in the climate we live in.
That women who killed her child does not have any right to ever get out. Her only reason is she lost her temper. Crazy af
Sir Trevor McDonald, this was so good. I shall be thinking of these women for days. I watched your first and second documentary.
So sad, as you say terrible for all concerned. Seeing you again reminded me of the days when i used to watch you give us the evening news in the UK. 😇
18:27 “I had taken another person’s life” is such a weird and detached way to say you killed your own three month old baby? Like you didn’t just kill a ‘person’ you killed your own infant child
This woman who was incarcerated at 16 for trying to flee an abusive childhood should never have been convicted to life! Our justice system is an actual complete injustice 🤦♀️ 😡
Yeah, let her out and she can stay at your house.
@@MotoAtheist You need God !!
@@Oneeeofoneee You need reality.
@@OneeeofoneeeDon't take it personally. Under every comment mentioning Cindy, you can find Motoatheist trolling underneath.. Don't feed em 😂
@@MotoAtheist Well I get that the thought of her freedom disturbs u but u can be polite instead of trolling people who are just disturbed; are u personally harmed by her or any criminal ? Cus that’s the only reason I see behind this kind of response
The baby killer had two other children taken away that she abused. She should NEVER should be let out.
And sterilized!!!!! My God ! She'll get out and have another child! That's the sad truth
The moment she referred to own child as a “person” I thought “she needs to stay in there 😭…that’s not a person that’s a child her child at that”.
I think she has way too much to say and is using this interviewer for a lot of attention. The inmate in solitary is known as the most manipulative, in my opinion, she is just as machiavellian in her narrative if not more so. Chilling😮
And the girl who bought the gun got 110 years!!! The "justice" system is sooo fvcked up!
@selenacasper5691 it is crazy.... it just shows you how much wacko judges hate babies
That baby killer while explaining her killing her baby was smiling the whole time with some weird duper's delight and she is getting ready to be released??? She shows no remorse whatsoever yet there sits Cindy. The justice system is messed up.
A lot of people smile when they’re uncomfortable or nervous, it’s a way of coping
Jesus Christ, that lady that's been there since she was 16 should be released by now, no?
If the story is true that she just tried to escape from extreme abuse... Her "killings" have obviously been accidental.
There's no comparison it seems with offending.
Obviously you're judged by the law at the time of offending, but we don't live in the 70's anymore and some cases should be re-evaluated.
I would agree she would be a good case for a presidential pardon. Only problem that after so long behind bars, it will be brutal for her to readjust to outside life.
She was a life-in nanny and the fire killed 4 children under 7.
I think we should be careful to assume everything she said is true, she has grown up in this Environment of liers and manipulators and i think she Chose her words carefully, portraying herself as a victim that just wanted to flee. Notice how in the TV flashback she had said that she had started the fire as a cry for help. How is that connected?! That they refused her parole time and time again might be somehow justifiable, we dont know all the facts and perspectives
The very kind gentleman that is interviewing these women is amazing. What is his name? I want to know about him. I love the way he speaks and the questions he asks is remarkable. It must difficult to interview them while many are smiling. Disgusted! I wonder if he has wtitten any books. If not, he should. The insight he has is overwhelming. And, his facial expressions NEVER change. What a wonderful man. WOW! Yout thoughts people? Agree? Disagree? Woullolove to know. Thank you everyone.
i just read he was a news reporter for a very long time and garnered much respect doing that
I believe it is Sir Trevor McDonald
The length of sentences in the US is insane.
Cindy situation is very sad. I feel like she didn’t mean to unalive them. I hope her story can be reheard and she can get out of
She didn't unalive them. She murdered them!
The baby killer is smiling, thinking about having her own bakery. It makes me sick. She should never get out.
She ADMITTED being a baby killer ‼️‼️UNREAL
Ya … setting goals n having dreams of being a baker …😮
she is just day dreaming out of nervousness, she knows when she gets out, it would be impossible for her to adjust in a society she left behind her years back and , normally, convicts and murderers are never accepted in the society again, they normally kill themselves or suicide or make another harm out of anxiety for being rejected
there is no fair justice, why would the baby killer be out and the other who were abused as a teenager and try to self defend would still be in jail....???
The want to be a baker is a better plan then many ideas, it is plan that is not child heavy, and should be able to support herself.
The reason so many return is lack of income and support. There are tons of bakery positions and it is no low human contact for most positions. The real question is why should we as tax payers pay for her upkeep instead of her getting out a changed 42 year old.
This is from 2013, just to mention it 🤷♂Would be interesting to know what they are doing today or if they are still alive or again in prison.
I just checked out and Cindy white is still in prison :(
@@calmdown8093 oh ok, man, since 1975.
Well these prisoners can be very manipulative, who knows what the real story is … some r saying she loved the man of the house and was a live in nanny and this was her revenge.
14:48 I don’t find regret in her words. It seems like and automatic response without self awareness of her acts. In fact, she speaks in third person 🤔
Probably because she’s shut down emotionally. Most people don’t end up in prison for “making a mistake”. They get there as a result of a long line of experiences that shape their personal psychology.
She may also see herself as another person & can no longer identify with that part of her that committed the crime. The human mind has all sorts of ways of protecting itself from trauma & the things we come to regret, feel guilty about, or are ashamed of.
I agree. In fact, she was smiling at times. I think she got a thrill from doing this, and now she's fondly remembering the thrill that she got.
Sociopath. And there’s no real fixing it. I met a number of them when I worked with criminals. However, the old gal who’d been there since she was 16 is likely no danger to anyone.
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl
You have NO clue the deepest depths of the soul regardless of the circumstances ‼️‼️
You can’t judge what’s in someone’s mind and what they went through !
25:13 " when she say god bless you all" show how sweet she is..
She might act sweet on camera, but I don't think her victims were thinking to themselves "Wow, this woman is a sweet and kind lady" as they were burning to death.
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl Your words are pearls to swine. Some people just want to believe because they're just so "compassionate". 🤡
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl 4 were little children.
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xlI don’t think they cared very much about the man in the house sexually assaulting her…… but that’s just my opinion
@@Qon2Wheels well, there's a rumor that she sent a love letter to her "Abuser." If that's true, that tells a completely different story. It's possible that everything she said was a lie, and the truth was that she loved the guy, he didn't love her back, and she burned down the house with everyone inside as revenge. If that's what she did and she won't admit that's what she did, then it would make sense that they're not releasing.
This is a case where I don't know what's true and what's not. However, her reasons for setting the fire don't make any sense. If she was being abused, couldn't she just sneak out at night? And if all of the abuse stories are true, I have no problem with the argument that the parents deserved it, but what about the kids? They didn't hurt her in any way. They didn't deserve to die. and, she says she tried to help the kids, but I've heard that they found evidence that they tried to escape and she wasn't helping them. And if she just wanted revenge against the parents, why didn't she get the kids out before she set the fire? And that's not even her story: she said no one was supposed to die in the fire.
They also found evidence that she poured some sort of accelerant all over the house so that the fire would spread. Why'd she do that if it was supposed to be a small fire that wasn't supposed to do as much damage that it did.
This is a confusing case where different sources tell you different things. At best, she's a very unfortunate victim who had a poorly thought out escape plan. She could also be a cold-blooded murderer who is lying about her story to this day. I don't know what's true and what's not.
The way the one girl smiles while talking about shooting someone in the face...😮😮😮😮 Never let her out❤
she would never come out, look at her face and the way she talks, she babbles too much without thinking for a moment, people who talk so fast out of nervousness end up in most crucial situations and trap more and more, she would stay in prison because she would commit an other crime in her cell, I am sure of that
How can she smile when talking about shooting someone? Wow.
Man I am sooo thankful I have good parents
German prisons focus on the rehabilitation of criminals. What's the use of incarcerating them for more than 30 years, if they really aren't a danger to society at all and just want to live a peaceful life? I mean it costs a huge amount of money and serves no purpose.
Genau gut gesagt ich bin in America 🇺🇸
America is not exactly a country that I would call civilized when it comes to the state apparatus. Just as in Europe, for example, the TÜV is responsible for the safety of cars etc., in America the manufacturers themselves simply ensure that their cars are safe. Where in Germany, for example, there is statutory health insurance and social security for people who slip into precarious employment, in America you have high medical costs and no insurance at all. America's government system is made for people who have money, not for people who need help.
Isolation for 23 hours a day is torture. Plain and simple.
it is good. Just give me a tv.
It is.. but being in a cell with 7-9 other women isn’t great either .. especially when yourself and all of the rest are withdrawing and there’s one toilet with no curtain or door.. ask me how I know. I’d rather be in a single cell for 23 hours and my own toilet and unlimited book than the alternative 😬
@JessicaSmith-ud7zq so how do you know?
@@edward8369 been there, done that. Stupid kid .. live & learn .. thankfully I got a chance to before there was no going back.
some people live that life in the free world
Sometimes having a baby changes a person. At times it's the love sometimes it's maternal instinct and sometimes it's just the fact that you start realising that you don’t want your kids to have the same fate as you do. I hope the best for all the female inmates. I hope the take charges of their lives and change themselves for the sake of their innocent kids.
she had two taken away for massive abuse before she had the 3rd she found out she was preg with him when she was out of jail for breaking an arm of one of her other kids or something. She would just throw them on the ground if they wouldn't stop crying. She should never be let out and she should for sure never be allowed to have any more kids.
they are raising more convicts swarming the country
I wish that everyone who is disgusted about the lifetime sentence given to Cindy could get a campaign activated to flood the parole board with letters criticizing her inability to get parole because of something she did as a wounded youth. I would definitely add my letter to that effort. I have worked as a corrections officer.
I am a social worker and have a young woman on my caseload who had to help her mom hide her stepdads dead body. This young woman was convicted of a couple felonies at the age of 17. She served 7 years. She has struggled since being released and does not have any family support. She had a traumatic upbringing and had only been living with her mom for 2 years when this happened. The state decided that the mom was stable enough to have her children back. The young woman has ptsd, night terrors, and certain smells take her back to that day and make her shut down. The prison ststem where I live does not focus on rehabilitation. They do not ready people for the outside. The American legal system needs a severe overhaul and resctructuring.
The lady in from she was 16 remind me of Red in OITNB
Exactly!
I live in Sweden and people definitely don’t get this long jail sentences like in the us. Feel like especially Cindy didn’t deserve such a long sentence considering the abuse behind her actions.
The kids didn't abuse her at all. They didn't deserve to die. And we don't know if she's telling the truth about the abuse. They found love letters that she sent to the guy. Why would she love an abuser?
The evidence suggests that she was mad that he didn't love her back and he did this out of revenge. Whether that's true or not I'm not sure. But I am sure that she could have snuck out at night instead of setting a fire and spreading a fire accelerant all over the house.
Absolutely. As a fellow European, this mindset of excessive prison sentences is appalling. More than that, it isn't productive as the results - or rather the lack thereof - shows.
@@bambesfresser I wonder how you would feel if you got a telephone call telling you your brother, his wife and their four little children had been murdered in their beds by someone who set a fire in the middle of the night, under the family Christmas tree. She didn't sneak out & get away. She committed murder.
It's telling that the U.S. has the highest prison population in the developed world. Listening to most of these women, I couldn't help but think that the system failed them. Those who are charged with protecting them, from their parents to social welfare organizations, failed them. Speaking as an American, I think part of the problem is that our society is so obsessed with the idea of rugged individualism while other countries focus on collective good. Social welfare is horribly underfunded. So many young people are left to look out for themselves when they don't have the emotional or intellectual capability to do so. I'm not making excuses for the terrible crimes many of these women have committed. I just don't believe they would have committed such crimes had they been properly cared for from an early age, rather than being left to fend for themselves. It's truly tragic.
@@janegrey9978 well, if you're listening to them, they might not be telling the full truth. Convicted felons are some of the least reliable sources for facts. Of course, they know more about their own cases than we do, but they won't necessarily tell the truth to a stranger, or to anyone. They could all be evil women painting themselves as victims.
In the case of the arsonist, I've heard conflicting things about her story. Some sources say that they found a love letter that she had sent to her "Abuser." If that's true, that paints a VERY different picture about what she did, and it would also means that she's lying to this day which is why they're not releasing her. And every source other than her claims she was actually 18, not 16, when she did the crime. It's a case that intrigues me because I don't know what's true and what's not.
And yet they release a child murderer... that is totally out of her mind... WHATTA JUSTICE SYSTEM IN AMERICA... Who are those judges who make these wrong decisions.,,, ROTTEN
The journalist is amazing. Compassionate yet able to ask tough questions. And he is so smooth with the voice over.
Things got out of hand? Wow is right.
the lady who was there since she was 16 doesn't deserve her sentence at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of justice is that???? she was 16 and abused multiple times in the house, she wanted to save her life from the people who abused her and should have been in prison actually! The fire got out of control, ok but she was young and her intention was to save her life from abusers, this is self defense actually! I can't believe her sentence is 40 years in prison when those who commit sexual abuse get so little in general.
Also the lady who escaped for 30 years and had a normal life for these 30 years.... doesn't make sense she is in prison.
The last lady who killed her baby seems a psychopath on the contrary to others who do not deserve their sentences...
This world is so sick really! I believe many narcissisitic people are judges which allows bad justice!
Will there be a part 3? I could watch this series
I would watch it
Me too!! I love this interviewer!
This series was filmed in 2013, so another part is not likely lol
This dude does some great documentaries.
24:15 I feel bad for Cindy 🥺
A 16 year old should not be in prison for life. Our system is completely messed up.
A 16 year old does not understand what killing someone means? Really? Now they do....BOOM!
@@joeg9112 It wasn't her intention to kill anyone. She did a foolish thing to try and get away from abusive people. Here in Canada she would have gotten a couple years in juvenile detention and released. Our systen is too lenient, yours is better but still needs tweeking.
@@dan4345 Too bad you do not have all the facts and details. Age does not override everything - method, amount of damage, attempt at cover up, attitude afterwards, etc....
she doesn't deserve to be in jail for all that times 🥺 she was protecting herself and she try to safe them I think she deserve freedom
18:00 why does this baby killer keep referring to her 3 month old baby as “somebody”?
People with those type of teeth are definitely always psycho.
Because the baby is just as much of a "Somebody" as a grown-up person
@@ChristopherBingham-xx8xl not when it was YOUR baby. No one refers to their own child as “somebody” unless they are completely emotionally detached is my point. You seemed to understand differently 🙄
@@UmmZakareey4 I paused and said the same exact thing to my wife when I heard her say somebody instead of my baby
@@donnie1581 exactly. She’s acting like she killed her neighbor
I thought the same thing! I wish I found out the update on her, because if she was really released 2 - 3 years after this interview, with the same attitude, she didn't seem a very safe person around children, or anyone, in my opinion. 😕
She was smiling the whole time talking about robbing that guy and shooting him in the face like it's a joke. She didn't feel bad about shooting an innocent man ... untill the judge gave her 30 years. Deserves life in prison.
People should be analyzed before their sentencing or placements as to what their psychological issues are so that they can make the best improvements during their sentenced time. Why put a woman into a general situation if she has difficulties dealing with the general population and treat her for that rather than adding time? If anything else it would be cheaper for society.
Putting a pregnant woman in isolation is torture for the child.
If your only emotion is anger , that’s not a roller coaster that’s a baseline!
I listened to the story of the lady who came to prison at 16 on Killer Psyche. Her story is heartbreaking. She should be free. 38 years is enough given her circumstances.
Another great documentary! I wonder if the interviewer needed some counseling after going thru this. It seems to me like pretty disturbing.
I did time in my 20s. It showed me what I didn't want to become.
Don’t they review them by proper psychiatrists? This baby killer woman is insane!!! I’m scared of her even as an adult, she acts like a psychopath
The lady that has been in prison for 38 year's shouldn't be there still! Yes i know she set a fire that killed 6 people and that is horrific, but that poor woman was only 16 and she had been sexually assaulted for year's. And she was trying to save those people. Surely some lenience could be given to her. I feel so sad for the people who died, but I also feel so sad for her.
Don’t believe everything people say. She’s a manipulator.
How would you feel if your child/sister/spouse was burnt to death in that fire she set. Would you want her to have freedom then?
Six DEAD people because of her.
Sarah "Cindy" White was convicted in 1976 of setting a fire that killed a Greenwood family of six: Charles Roberson, 45; his wife, Carole, 41; and their children: Michael, 7; Dale, 6; Gary, 5; and Sissy, 4. White, then 18, was a live-in baby sitter for the Robersons, a position she took soon after she was released from an Indianapolis mental hospital. She was convicted by a Johnson Circuit Court jury on six counts of felony murder and one count of arson and was sentenced to six concurrent terms of life in prison.
She kills her child and is getting released! “Taking another persons life” not accepting that the “other” person is your child. MONSTER!
The woman who killed her own 3 year old has no remorse at all. It's all about her. 16 years is not long enough for her she should never come out.
this is the best looking prison ive seen in the us
segregated incarceration is a form of torture. Considering how we deal with prisoners overall, it's shocking that anyone is confined in that manner. Maybe if we actually tried to rehabilitate prisoners, there wouldn't even be a need for segregation (as well as a plethora of other things).
I wish they'd let Cindy go. It's utterly heartbreaking.
Murder of 6 people at 16...kinda of crazy to keep her for life. Life sentences for juveniles is no longer a law. Not saying that Sara deserved to go to prison but life at 16 seems a bit much.
The lady in for setting the fire that killed six people says there's nothing out there that says she exists, but there is----there are six graves that proves she exists and will always prove she existed.
Totally agree
I'm in my jammies in my bed, in my home that I own. There were MANY times I could have made a poor CHOICE. THANK GOD that I did not. Thank you so much God, for doing for me, what I could not do for myself. God gave me a moment of clarity, then left the choice up to me.
14:23 she’s smiling wtf
Yeah & it's not out of nervousness. She's proud of it.
she has larger teeth hanging out of her mouth
This made my heart so sad!
I am THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL for the word(FREEDOM)!!!!
I think being handcuffed while ur giving birth would not only traumatize the mother spiritual and mentally but it would affect the baby in some way as well
No matter what they deserve respect
How would it affect the baby?
How would that affect the baby ?
Yeah right like the baby knows or will ever know unless told 😂
Don’t commit a crime pregnant. They knew they were pregnant when they did the crime they should of thought that
how was the lady on the run for 30+ yrs caught though ?
The face of the innocent child in the thumbnail breaks my heart!💔
38:41 I don’t understand why this lady can’t go home and why they won’t let her go home. She fought for her life with many years of abuse. She tried to fight her way out and she goes to jail for it but yet you have those girl who killed her own baby and she’s being let out I don’t understand it.
The way the “baby killer” refers to the victim (HER SON!) as “someone” as if he was a stranger makes me sick. She should’ve gotten life. She had an abusive nature to her from abusing her other 2 kids.
The judicial system makes NO sense to me. People who didn’t even pull a trigger but just were an accomplice got more years than the woman who killed an innocent child. 16 year old that was horrendously abused gets charged with all the murders of her abusers because she set fire to the house. I know some time might have to be served but how does a baby killer get to walk free over some of the other ladies.
Follow the $ Babies don't make profit till in the colonizers systems. The punishment isn't about what was done but WHO it was done to or the number of. Their systems should not make sense to you. Be more concerned that to some it does.
Free Cindy... she does not deserve to be there. She was a 16 year old child. This is heartbreaking.
Im so sad for the babies. Not saying these women are all horrible or can't take care of them, but these little ones should be playing outside under the sun, have playmates, toys, a room of their own.... They should be living their lives, not serving a sentence with their parent.
If thr mom is getting out soon then keeping baby and mom together is best... But then I think it should be in a halfway house so to speak .
Frankly many of those incidents that lead these women to be incarcerated for life need to be reviewed. Have they tried therapy to help them and considering training for work and insert them back into society. This is sad 😢
I fully agree with you. There are so many Women who need help and social inclusion, Not Isolation… we are all humans… 😢
How is Cindy still in prison??? She was 16, made a dumb choice, and has BEYOND paid for her crime, especially since she was abused. I am so sorry for her, I wish America's "justice system" was even remotely intelligently run
damn they let the baby killer not stay in jail for life?
aint no body buying her pastries
FREE THE WOMAN OF 38 YEARS SHE IS REMORSEFUL AT THE AGE OF 16, BEING ABUSED PLAYED A HUGE ROLE AND SHE TRIED TO SAVE THEM! PRAYING FOR HER!!!
I do feel though like the lady that has been there since she was 16 could be let go. But also the lady that was on the run for 30 years has shown that she was rehabilitated and was a contributing member of society. So sad that the system does not allow for recovery
Please let that woman go home. She made a mistake when she was a teenager and paid for it .... She has served her time now. She is not a danger to society.
This is not a new video. Really wish they would put out new content.
It’s so unnatural for a mother to hurt her child. Postpartum physcosis?
It only takes 3 seconds of shaking a baby out of frustration for them to die. She said she suffered from postpartum depression. Babies can cry on average for about 5h a day. Adding all of this up it doesnt seem so impossible.
It’s unnatural for a woman to need to find ways to care for a child without community.
Stop trying to scapegoat individuals for systemic issues created in America.
My grandmother went through postpartum psychosis. She burned my mom's fingers when she was a baby and my mom had to get some of them amputated as a result. I know it sounds crazy, but my grandma was the nicest, most non-confrontational, supportive lady and it was extremely out of character. Ironically, she and my mom had a great relationship when she was alive and she was deeply apologetic because she didn't even understand what was going on with her own mental health at the time, especially since she went through it in the '60s. New mothers really need support and monitoring of their mental health by loved ones.
@@marissar.359 Yes, we need to support new young families.
It’s tough enough in ordinary circumstances, and postpartum is no joke.
I’m grateful your mother and grandmother ended up having a good relationship after all.That’s a miracle .
@@user-sw6ox1tl2fstill I don’t understand how a parent or mother can hurt their child. It’s apart of them.
I hate the last woman that murdered her child….awful
At least she seems to be remorseful. Some of these other women aren't remorseful at all.
I can’t understand how anyone can hurt a child. Their own or others.
While me and most other mothers and fathers go out of their way to make sure their children are safe and happy, there are people willing to do something this gruesome.
That poor child will never grow up, never have happy moments with friends, fall in love, get own children. Have a life. My heart really breaks. I hope she never get out of prison. She doesn’t deserve one single day in freedom.
@@BartebodilThe human mind is still a great mystery. Mental illness and postpartum depression are horrendous conditions, tidies not dismiss what this women did but it should bring empathy, sympathy, understanding.
@Katepwe don't forget her first two children were taken from her because she was an abuser. An abuser! This is not just because she got post-partum depression after her third child. The way she refers to him as 'somebody' is bloody disturbing
@@acat9018 yea heard she broke her child’s arm … etc
She doesn’t deserve to be out
I want Cindy to have a second chance 😭
I refuse to have empathy for a baby killer...shes smiling, playing games while that 3 month old baby rots in the grave
exactly
Amen!!!!
I mean- I agree that you shouldn’t feel sorry for her, but no human is going to spend several years or decades of their life never playing another game again, never smiling or laughing again, etc. because they did a horrific crime beyond what words can explain. It’s just not in human nature to spend years of your life staring at the wall and thinking about the crimes your committed for 24 hours a day. So basically, I don’t feel bad for her either but it’s not because she’s smiling and playing a game. It’s unrealistic to think someone would never do that again after killing their child even if they did feel horrible about it what they did.
Looks like many people agree with me. Also I never said she should never again smile,laugh or play games. U took it upon yourself to assume that's what I said. U know what they say when u assume....
Its sooo sad these women had to be locked up to learn how to act and most already have 2 plus kids! I hope they really can stay out of trouble long enough to be a real mom and be present.
Judging by these interviews it’s not Dawn who should be counting down the days till her release date, it’s Cindy.
I feel so sorry for everyone... I know they are guilty,but I want them to spend time with their kids and family😢God forgives us anyway, and by now, they all feel tremendous remorse
13:28 Well, my sympathy isn't with her. Some of my sympathy is with her victim. He went through this horrible experience, and he will always be half blind because of it, and the girl who did this to him not only isn't remorseful, she's happy that she did it. Some of my sympathy is with her kids. It would be interesting to see an interview with them. I wonder what it's like to have a mom that's in prison and very much deserves to be there. Also, if she's 22 now and she has had 2 kids, one of them is 6 and one of them is 4, that means she was 16 when she had her first kid and 4 when she had her 2nd one. That's too young to be having kids.
17:04 What? If you're female and you commit a felony in Indiana, your punishment is that you get to play ping pong?
20:02 Words of wisdom. Proof that sometimes even the most heinous criminals can have words of wisdom that we need to hear.
30:15 Those kids were pretty foolish. I don't think a group of kids who weren't born when this happened know the situation any better than the law enforcement men who have the evidence.
Don't male prisons have rec rooms for their felons? Some of these people are in for over a decade. No recreation can damage people psychologically and socially. Prisoners shouldn't be coming out of prison more maladapted than when they came in, it makes them bigger risks to the rest of us when they get out. No need to worry about it softening the punishment, everyone interviewed still hates being there.
I feel bad for Cindy aswell 😢 24:00
So dawn was an adult that killed a child and Cindy was a child that killed adults but Dawn should be released….
That Ball lady… she keeps saying things about I got to get to my kids. I am thinking those kids better grow up fast and pray they don’t ever meet her. Remorseless attempted murder and creates the most problems while in prison?
It would also be good to hear more about the real story and the real facts of their crime, not just from their side. Otherwise, it sounds like, 'I was protecting myself, and now I’m in prison for the rest of my life.’
Shocked how many of these woman have kids. And most of them seem to have being born after they were arrested...
I was handcuffed to the bed during labor in the county hospital. I wasn't even incarcerated at the time.
Did you have some type of record or were you handcuffed at random(You don’t have to answer as it may be personal)?
@whatalovelyplant it was "poor people's" hospital. In 1977, they strapped down ALL of the mothers.
@@deborahbreeden4394 That is absolutely baffling, I imagine that must have been terrible! Was there a reason the hospitals would strap the women down? Like did the hospital believe that birth would be quicker?
@whatalovelyplant I have no idea what their reasoning was. They even strapped my legs into the stirrups.
13 years later, the same hospital had stopped doing that to Moms in labor.
The delivery was better, but the nurse in charge of the babies was a horrible control freak. My guess is that because the Moms were poor, she was able to get away with it.
I wrote a letter to the hospital administrator telling him that he had a personnel problem. I said that the delivery staff was superb, but the woman in charge of the nursery was mean to the mothers. He called me on the phone right away, and I said that he had no way of knowing what was going on if nobody told him. The lactation specialist who came to my home told me that the administrator had posted my letter where all of the nurses could read it.
That baby is hungry 😊😊