Ben Affleck is a lot like Andrew Garfield's Spider Man to me. He absolutely could've been the best actor to play the character, especially a more seasoned, older Bruce Wayne. Unfortunately the way he was characterized and lacking direction with the overall DCEU really hampered him. For all its flaws, I'm at least glad he got a solid final scene in The Flash with his conversation with Barry, where I feel like Ben Affleck really nailed what makes Bruce Wayne a compelling character, giving us a peak at what could've been.
I always felt that Mask of the Phantasm was often overlooked due to being an animated movie and its bad trailer. You didn't NEED to watch the series it's tied to in order to understand the movie. It works well as a stand-alone. And I get that you prefer a more uplifting movie, but I think this movie does better without it as not every story has a happy ending. The whole premise of Batman's story here was that he is consumed with tragedy. His arc with Andrea added more to it as he tried to move on from his parents and find happiness, but fate took that chance away from him.
So you’re missing the arc in the keaton Batman films; for the first two acts of Batman 89 you’ll notice that Batman doesn’t kill, even when he drops Jack they make a point of showing Batman didn’t mean to. Once Bruce finds out that Joker killed his parents he fell off the deep end and started murdering Joker goons en masse, he also didn’t love Vicki, he was going through the motions spurred on by Alfred, this all carries into Returns, the melancholy feel of this film is a direct result of Bruce’s own inner feelings as a result of the last film and also the reverse is true here; Batman indiscriminately kills Penguin goons for the first two acts then finally; through Catwomans tragedy he sees the flaw in his ways; she’s the one he sees as a kindred spirit, she’s the one he actively pursues and she’s the one he tries to save by stopping her from killing Shrexk at the films climax; this is the two film arc for Bruce; learning to cope with his immense pain, learning why to save a life and learning to love another human.
Batman is the most awesome yet overplayed superhero. That has ever been around. Batman has technically had an incarnation. Of his character, world, arch gallery of villains, and allies. Since his creation in the comic books. Because for most of cinema, and television history. He is the easiest Superhero to get right since. He has no supernatural powers or abilities. Filmmakers can use Sherlock Holmes as an example of how to handle. One area of Batman’s expertise. Plus it’s basically the story of a rich kid with mommy/daddy issues. That resolves to fight the criminal element of Gotham. Yet do very little of anything else for the ordinary folk of Gotham. A character that could be somewhat relatable to the producers and Hollywood elite. Honestly I’m glad that ever since Wonder (Superman The Movie from 1978 also comes to mind) Woman. DC has been more keen. For giving other DC superheroes a chance to shine in the spotlight.
This might be one of your hardest worked video yet, while i dont find myself agreeing with your takes, i am still subscribed as i like your style and its always good to see peoples different opinions and how its not a "im right your wrong". Keep up the great work!
Honestly a lot of the issues with Joel Schumacher’s Batman came down to the studio. A lot of parents hated the dark tone of Tim Burton so they replaced him. And when you look at his other movies he wasn’t a bad choice it’s just the studio who wanted it to be “kid friendly” and ended up failing in the end.
I disagree about Keaton's Batman not having an arc. The 89 film works more as introduction, with Vicky Vale acting as the POV. It's through her eyes we the audience get to know Keaton's Batman and see his battle against the Joker. Returns show the aftermath of the previous film, with Bruce going back at being reclusive after Vicky left him. Even after killing the Joker, the man who killed his parents, and having earn the trust of the public, Bruce still driven to be Batman. This is where his conflict with the three villains (penguin, Shreck and Catwoman) comes in. Each villain acts a reflection of Batman: Penguin represents the side of Bruce who sees himself as an outcast, Max Shreck represents his rich persona and Selina represents his vigilante persona. His relationship with Selina isn't in the film just give Bruce a love interest. Selina acts as reflection of what will happen to Bruce if continue to be loner, close from others and killing criminals. If Burton had stick around in Forever, I pretty sure he would have kept Robin's subplot (specially considering how he tried to include the Boy Wonder in his films since 89). That whole scene where Bruce tells Dick what will happen if he killed Two Face it's basically Bruce describing everthing that happened to him since 89 and doesn't want Dick to follow his path and make the same mistakes or worse, end up like Selina.
Rises was about Bruce overcoming his despair, and the Pit is a metaphor for depression, in that on the surface it appears easy to escape from, but to the person inside of it, it seems impossible. The fact that he did eventually find a reason to live again was legitimately inspiring and holds a positive, life affirming message to not fall into nihilistic apathy about the world like Bane and Talia do. The movie imo is immensely underappreciated.
NO the martha scene is not "he also has a mother" its "you are causing your parent death again" when he says "they're going to kill martha" batmans PTSD kicks in and it causes him to realize that he is causing the same thing that happend to him. He is letting his parents die AGAIN the whole origin of batman is wrapped up in that. sorry about all the quotations
Batman's rule about no killing was the change, not the other way around. The origin of the character had NO rule of that nature. He even used a revolver at the start.
I am the biggest fan of Batman and Robin. It's not like I was kid when it came out I wasn't even born, but I find it so rewatchable, and probably have seen it more than any other batman. Sure, I don't think it's the best batman movie, but it probably also has the least flaws as it does everything it wants exactly as it wants. I also think this film is better than batman and robin as well.
Batman Forever was the first Batman film I saw, so I can't see it without nostalgia goggles xD It's silly and over the top, but it's entertaining! I will raise one thing though, I would absolutely LOVE to see an "extended re-cut edition" cause it would be a totally different movie! Dr Burton coming in to Harvey's cell, only to find out that Two Face has hanged a security guard and escaped. And then we got that giant bat scene
Christian Bale is my favorite live action Batman because his take was the closest to who the character actually is. Unlike the other actors who were inspired by different versions from the comics. Affleck's version is connected to Frank Miller, while Pattinson's version is connected to Miller's year one. Bale's version is connected to Conroy's, as well as the source material itself
Here is my personal ranking of the films. I did a rewatch last year not including BVS. I'm not for sure about the actors: 1. The Batman - 9.5/10 (Peak; Top 10 Films of all time imo) 2. The Dark Knight - 9.5/10 (Peak; Top 10 Films of all time imo) 3. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm - 8/10 (Great) 4. Batman Begins - 7/10 (Good) 5. The Lego Batman Movie - 6.5/10 (Fairly Decent) 6. Batman (1989) - 6/10 (Decent) 7. Batman Returns - 5/10 (Mediocre) 8. Batman Forever - 4.5/10 (Not Good) 9. Batman (1966) - 4.5/10 (Not Good) 10. The Dark Knight Rises - 2.5/10 (Really Bad) 11. Batman and Robin - 1/10 (Horrible)
Stop thinking that you need to empathize with a villain for them to be a good villain. I can't empathize with Hannibal Lecter's love for human flesh. That doesn't change the fact that he's a damn good villain.
So as someone who watch Batman: The Animated Series and all the Batman movies of the 90's, here's something I think that's worth noting... The Animated Series did a remarkable job of treating the villains with respect and depth. Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, The Riddler, and most definitely Two-Face. They were so well-written and interesting (I think particularly Freeze and Two-Face), that when they were so horribly disrespected on the big screen, it was even more jarring. I couldn't figure out - and still can't - how The Riddler just became Joker Lite, and Two-Face could become Riddler Lite! It never made sense to me, so I'd definitely recommend watching at least certain episodes of The Animated Series.
I wouldn't put The Batman in a pedestal, I would say that the only saving grace that this movie has is the new miniseries The Penguin, that back pedals the ending of The Batman, because in the movie, Batman spend two hours and half preaching about the corruption in Gotham, about the police and the politicians, but by the third arc, the backtrack and bend the knee to the status quo, with the stupid Mayor and police scene, hell, I think that The Cape Crusader is making more close what The Batman should be than the movie itself, is a classical Noire, everyone is corrupt, and Bruce Wayne has anger issues.
56:58 Not a fan of this change. I understand why people would see Bruce already having no kill rule as unrealistic, but I think it makes sense when consider Bruce's father was a doctor (so he would taught Bruce the value of life) and also Bruce's trauma. He doesn't kill just bc it's morally wrong, but also bc he associate this action with the man who killed his parents (hence why in many versions post Golden Age, Batman hates guns).
I think Gotham City in the Nolan trilogy is actually really interesting in the way of Nolans use of time passing. In batman begins Gotham is completely grimy, gross, chaotic, on the verge of collapse. In dark knight it looks Normal showing Batmans effect on the city. In dark knight rises it’s kinda sterile and empty and bleak because of the dent act and eventually Banes take over. Gotham to me in the nolan trilogy was at it’s best in Begins because it still feels like Gotham City.
The extreme acclaim for Mask of the Phantasm and The Batman just goes right over my head. To be clear I like Mask of the Phantasm and I do think it’s good for what it is, but in recent years it has become so overrated. Some Batman fans rank it above Batman Begins and The Dark Knight which is just insane to me. Sure if you’re a TH-camr in need of doing a video essay, Mask of the Phantasm and especially The Batman should be your bread and butter. The Batman in particular follows the Save the Cat approach to storytelling to a T. It has themes, arcs, messages and all that good stuff. However, my major problem with both of these films is the lack of an answer for the simple question of “what exactly did Batman accomplish in this movie?” In Mask of the Phantasm Batman doesn’t stop anything. Phantasm killed everyone that she intended to kill. Batman presence really had no bearing on the Phantasm’s plot at all. The Batman is a more egregious example of this because of its nearly 3 hour runtime. You spend that much time in that world with the character of Batman and he doesn’t prevent or solve much of anything. People go on about how it’s such a great detective film, but every major break in the case is just handed to him by other characters. Batman never figures out on his own that Falcone is the rat, He only discovered Riddler’s final plan because of a remark about the murder weapon being a carpet tool, and only found Riddler’s website when Penguin corrected him on the Ratalada thing. Same deal as Mask of the Phantasm, you could remove Batman from the film and Riddler’s plan plays out exactly the same. The Batman is a perfect example of just because you have all these different aspects that make TH-camrs salivate when making their video essays, it doesn’t automatically make for a satisfying story. Also, to be clear again I like Matt Reeves as a filmmaker and I love The Animated Series but I between those two films I don’t see the masterpieces that they’re portrayed to be.
Mask of Phantasm & Batman Begins are tied for my favorite Batman movie with Dark knight being 2nd & The Batman being 3rd. Begins holds such a dear place in my heart because its the only one of the nolan trilogy that feels like it can be fantastical & above all else Begins much like Sam raimi's Spiderman understands that the audiences like the cape & fighting villains so long as you care about the man behind the mask, Bale just embodies Bruce so well everytime he is in danger I get tense because the movie let me know him as a person not an idea but a person. Also another thing that the Nolan movies deserves the absolute credit for is the character of Lucius fox yes the character existed in comics prior to Begins but Batman Begins in the movie that made Fox into a genuine character that comics have completely co-opted. Batman begins made Lucius in an actual character with motivations, intelligence, business knowlage & confidant for Bruce everything we today love about the character comes from Batman begins.
If you would like suggestions of movie franchises to analyze, might I suggest: Transformers- the Micheal Bay movies, Bumblebee, ROTB, and the animated movies One and 1986 Superman Spider-man- The Raimi trilogy, Amazing Spider-man 2 movies, MCU, and Spider-Verse movies X-Men- From the 2000 movie to Dark Phoenix (even though it should've ended with Logan)
@@kdusel1991 I haven’t seen them. But I did think of that while I was writing the comment. But I haven’t seen it or have any knowledge about it. So it would be a lie.
Great video. But I think you missed one. There was another movie set in the TAS show, focusing on Mr Freeze as the villain. Sub-Zero, and it too was awesome :)
I think you’re too harsh on the Tim Burton movies and too soft on Christopher Nolan’s movies. There’s no way you can put The Dark Knight Rises above the Burton movies nor putting Christian Bale above Michael Keaton
TDKR has only aged worse over time. It feels so plainly like a 2000’s CBM. I feel like Burtons films have an effortless and timeless charm to them. That being said Begins and TDK did break new ground totally and thematically and shouldn’t be slept on.
Only BvS, which I did just do a video on so yeah I used my same points. I haven’t talked about any of the other Batman movies (except The Batman but I did a whole 30 min video on that)
Hotish take, I think Batman Begins is the best batman movie. Is the only Nolan film when gothan isn't just Chicago. It perfectly explores his origin and ideology, as well as it shows his training, Bale is perfect as Bruce, and his batman voice isn't a stupid as in the sequals, it has a great balance of realistic and supernatural, batman looks intimidating while in the sequals looks to skinny, and you don't even notice he can't move his head. Every prefomance is great, and Oldman is the best gordan.
Hot take Nicholson's Joker >>>>>>> Ledger's Joker Don't get me wrong. I like TDK and see why Ledger's Joker became one the most iconic adaptation of the clown prince of crime in the films. However the film having Joker wanting to break Gotham's people spirit by corrupting Harvey kind defeats the point of his character, that he has no plan. Nicholson's Joker, on other hand, nailed the chaotic nature of the villain. He's not trying to prove a point or make some statment about society. Nothing him is straight to the point nor consistent, with Joker changing his mind in seconds. In the end, everthing he does is part of grand show and he is the main star. All Joker is to spread chaos in the city and let people know he did, like the "twisted artist" he sees himself as. It's something recent adaptations (usually post TDK) have lost about the Joker, focusing on having him being scary and a city level threat and forgetting that he's suppose to be a clown with a dark sense of humor.
Thumbs up just for disliking the 60's series. If people were to be honest with themselves, it's the worst interpretation of the character because the original concept was more like the Nolan Batman. They just made it silly because of the hippie period and because they had no idea how to treat the franchise.
Batman 66 is in line with the Batman comics from the mid-40’s through the 60’s. Batman hadn’t been a dark character since 1939-1940. So I can’t fault the series for adapting that campy tone that was rampant throughout the comics.
@@white-dragon4424 Batman had been campy since the mid-40’s. That’s far more than just some hippie writers from the 60’s. The campy tone had become the status quo in the comics. My preferred Batman is something the balances the darker aspects with the camp like The Animated Series, The Burton films, and the Bronze Age comics all the way up to the comics of today. However, I can’t expect tv producers from 50 years ago to bypass nearly 20 years worth of comics by that point, just to get to a darker version.
Batman begins is a poorly shot, messily written, bland, terribly directed and acted film. At least I cracked a smile, or showed any bit of joy with Batman and Robin compared to it.
Dude, you have to watch Batman: The Animated Series.
One of The best animated shows ever made.
@@chasehedges6775 agreed!! It's so good!!
New 52 series as well
Dude, correct!
Without a doubt my favorite Batman thing
Ben Affleck is a lot like Andrew Garfield's Spider Man to me. He absolutely could've been the best actor to play the character, especially a more seasoned, older Bruce Wayne. Unfortunately the way he was characterized and lacking direction with the overall DCEU really hampered him.
For all its flaws, I'm at least glad he got a solid final scene in The Flash with his conversation with Barry, where I feel like Ben Affleck really nailed what makes Bruce Wayne a compelling character, giving us a peak at what could've been.
I always felt that Mask of the Phantasm was often overlooked due to being an animated movie and its bad trailer. You didn't NEED to watch the series it's tied to in order to understand the movie. It works well as a stand-alone. And I get that you prefer a more uplifting movie, but I think this movie does better without it as not every story has a happy ending. The whole premise of Batman's story here was that he is consumed with tragedy. His arc with Andrea added more to it as he tried to move on from his parents and find happiness, but fate took that chance away from him.
mask of the phantasm is amazing!!
So you’re missing the arc in the keaton Batman films; for the first two acts of Batman 89 you’ll notice that Batman doesn’t kill, even when he drops Jack they make a point of showing Batman didn’t mean to. Once Bruce finds out that Joker killed his parents he fell off the deep end and started murdering Joker goons en masse, he also didn’t love Vicki, he was going through the motions spurred on by Alfred, this all carries into Returns, the melancholy feel of this film is a direct result of Bruce’s own inner feelings as a result of the last film and also the reverse is true here; Batman indiscriminately kills Penguin goons for the first two acts then finally; through Catwomans tragedy he sees the flaw in his ways; she’s the one he sees as a kindred spirit, she’s the one he actively pursues and she’s the one he tries to save by stopping her from killing Shrexk at the films climax; this is the two film arc for Bruce; learning to cope with his immense pain, learning why to save a life and learning to love another human.
“And here…we…go!”
Been looking forward to this.
@@notoriousnatetalksaboutmy favourite line in the movie
This is a 11/10 video
thank you!
Still got to watch the Lego Batman.
Batman is the most awesome yet overplayed superhero. That has ever been around. Batman has technically had an incarnation. Of his character, world, arch gallery of villains, and allies. Since his creation in the comic books. Because for most of cinema, and television history. He is the easiest Superhero to get right since. He has no supernatural powers or abilities. Filmmakers can use Sherlock Holmes as an example of how to handle. One area of Batman’s expertise. Plus it’s basically the story of a rich kid with mommy/daddy issues. That resolves to fight the criminal element of Gotham. Yet do very little of anything else for the ordinary folk of Gotham. A character that could be somewhat relatable to the producers and Hollywood elite. Honestly I’m glad that ever since Wonder (Superman The Movie from 1978 also comes to mind) Woman. DC has been more keen. For giving other DC superheroes a chance to shine in the spotlight.
This might be one of your hardest worked video yet, while i dont find myself agreeing with your takes, i am still subscribed as i like your style and its always good to see peoples different opinions and how its not a "im right your wrong".
Keep up the great work!
I watched my 1st Batman movie with my grandchildren Brandon and Nicolas!loved it!
Matt Reeves cooked
Honestly a lot of the issues with Joel Schumacher’s Batman came down to the studio. A lot of parents hated the dark tone of Tim Burton so they replaced him. And when you look at his other movies he wasn’t a bad choice it’s just the studio who wanted it to be “kid friendly” and ended up failing in the end.
Awesome- looking forward to this!🇨🇦
Hope you like it!
I disagree about Keaton's Batman not having an arc. The 89 film works more as introduction, with Vicky Vale acting as the POV. It's through her eyes we the audience get to know Keaton's Batman and see his battle against the Joker. Returns show the aftermath of the previous film, with Bruce going back at being reclusive after Vicky left him. Even after killing the Joker, the man who killed his parents, and having earn the trust of the public, Bruce still driven to be Batman.
This is where his conflict with the three villains (penguin, Shreck and Catwoman) comes in. Each villain acts a reflection of Batman: Penguin represents the side of Bruce who sees himself as an outcast, Max Shreck represents his rich persona and Selina represents his vigilante persona. His relationship with Selina isn't in the film just give Bruce a love interest. Selina acts as reflection of what will happen to Bruce if continue to be loner, close from others and killing criminals.
If Burton had stick around in Forever, I pretty sure he would have kept Robin's subplot (specially considering how he tried to include the Boy Wonder in his films since 89). That whole scene where Bruce tells Dick what will happen if he killed Two Face it's basically Bruce describing everthing that happened to him since 89 and doesn't want Dick to follow his path and make the same mistakes or worse, end up like Selina.
I totally forgot that Batmanuel from The Tick is also in The Dark Knight!
Rises was about Bruce overcoming his despair, and the Pit is a metaphor for depression, in that on the surface it appears easy to escape from, but to the person inside of it, it seems impossible. The fact that he did eventually find a reason to live again was legitimately inspiring and holds a positive, life affirming message to not fall into nihilistic apathy about the world like Bane and Talia do. The movie imo is immensely underappreciated.
Good take
NO the martha scene is not "he also has a mother" its "you are causing your parent death again" when he says "they're going to kill martha" batmans PTSD kicks in and it causes him to realize that he is causing the same thing that happend to him. He is letting his parents die AGAIN the whole origin of batman is wrapped up in that.
sorry about all the quotations
Batman's rule about no killing was the change, not the other way around. The origin of the character had NO rule of that nature. He even used a revolver at the start.
I’m not sure why but I find myself watching dark knight rises more than any Batman film.
Lego Batman GOAT
Revenge of the Sith was not bad….
Check yourself bro.
I'm glad you like the movie
For real
You forgot about the 40’s & 50’s serials, they’re longer than movie length so they should still count
I am the biggest fan of Batman and Robin. It's not like I was kid when it came out I wasn't even born, but I find it so rewatchable, and probably have seen it more than any other batman. Sure, I don't think it's the best batman movie, but it probably also has the least flaws as it does everything it wants exactly as it wants. I also think this film is better than batman and robin as well.
Can you please do Harry Potter all these years later
Soooo excited about this, Batman has always been my favorite ❤
Sean Chandler is another one of my favorite TH-camrs, I’m glad you like him too. You both talk about movies in such interesting ways keep it up
Batman Forever was the first Batman film I saw, so I can't see it without nostalgia goggles xD It's silly and over the top, but it's entertaining! I will raise one thing though, I would absolutely LOVE to see an "extended re-cut edition" cause it would be a totally different movie! Dr Burton coming in to Harvey's cell, only to find out that Two Face has hanged a security guard and escaped. And then we got that giant bat scene
I am vengeance, I am the night, I am Batman!!!
I still say Batman Forever is underrated. I believe the Schumacher cut could totally redeem the movie
Batfleck is the one that's grown on me the most. I put on his skin in Arkham Knight.
whoa a harry potter mention? gold man we need some harry potter content!
gotta finish the books first
@@thegoldman25 smart man. looking forward to it whenever it comes!
Nolan was the actual beginning of batman as a serious movie threat of greatness im 44 the dark knight was the movie of the decade
Christian Bale is my favorite live action Batman because his take was the closest to who the character actually is. Unlike the other actors who were inspired by different versions from the comics. Affleck's version is connected to Frank Miller, while Pattinson's version is connected to Miller's year one. Bale's version is connected to Conroy's, as well as the source material itself
How can you review films and then say “I’ve never seen another Tim Burton movie”…? Like, dude. Watch BeetleJuice and Edward Scissorhands stat!
If you love mask of Phantasm, you’ll enjoy Batman the animated series.
Here is my personal ranking of the films. I did a rewatch last year not including BVS. I'm not for sure about the actors:
1. The Batman - 9.5/10 (Peak; Top 10 Films of all time imo)
2. The Dark Knight - 9.5/10 (Peak; Top 10 Films of all time imo)
3. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm - 8/10 (Great)
4. Batman Begins - 7/10 (Good)
5. The Lego Batman Movie - 6.5/10 (Fairly Decent)
6. Batman (1989) - 6/10 (Decent)
7. Batman Returns - 5/10 (Mediocre)
8. Batman Forever - 4.5/10 (Not Good)
9. Batman (1966) - 4.5/10 (Not Good)
10. The Dark Knight Rises - 2.5/10 (Really Bad)
11. Batman and Robin - 1/10 (Horrible)
With the exceptions of tdk & b&r my list is nearly the exact opposite
Tim Burton and Lego versions are the best!
Long time no see Gold man
it's only been 2 weeks
Stop thinking that you need to empathize with a villain for them to be a good villain. I can't empathize with Hannibal Lecter's love for human flesh. That doesn't change the fact that he's a damn good villain.
Ikr? This has become a bad trend of criticism with movies.
So as someone who watch Batman: The Animated Series and all the Batman movies of the 90's, here's something I think that's worth noting... The Animated Series did a remarkable job of treating the villains with respect and depth. Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, The Riddler, and most definitely Two-Face. They were so well-written and interesting (I think particularly Freeze and Two-Face), that when they were so horribly disrespected on the big screen, it was even more jarring. I couldn't figure out - and still can't - how The Riddler just became Joker Lite, and Two-Face could become Riddler Lite! It never made sense to me, so I'd definitely recommend watching at least certain episodes of The Animated Series.
I wouldn't put The Batman in a pedestal, I would say that the only saving grace that this movie has is the new miniseries The Penguin, that back pedals the ending of The Batman, because in the movie, Batman spend two hours and half preaching about the corruption in Gotham, about the police and the politicians, but by the third arc, the backtrack and bend the knee to the status quo, with the stupid Mayor and police scene, hell, I think that The Cape Crusader is making more close what The Batman should be than the movie itself, is a classical Noire, everyone is corrupt, and Bruce Wayne has anger issues.
My live action Batman Ranking
1. Christan Bale
2. Robert Pattinson
3. Ben Affleck
4. Michael Keaton
5. Val Kilmer
6. Adam West
7. George Clooney
I always believed the Batman in The Dark Knight Returns Part 1and 2 is the same Batman from Batman 66
56:58 Not a fan of this change. I understand why people would see Bruce already having no kill rule as unrealistic, but I think it makes sense when consider Bruce's father was a doctor (so he would taught Bruce the value of life) and also Bruce's trauma. He doesn't kill just bc it's morally wrong, but also bc he associate this action with the man who killed his parents (hence why in many versions post Golden Age, Batman hates guns).
50:46 insert knuckles quote here:
I think Gotham City in the Nolan trilogy is actually really interesting in the way of Nolans use of time passing. In batman begins Gotham is completely grimy, gross, chaotic, on the verge of collapse. In dark knight it looks Normal showing Batmans effect on the city. In dark knight rises it’s kinda sterile and empty and bleak because of the dent act and eventually Banes take over. Gotham to me in the nolan trilogy was at it’s best in Begins because it still feels like Gotham City.
Awesome vid
Thank you!
“Heroes are remembered and Batman will never die.”
I'm vengeance
The extreme acclaim for Mask of the Phantasm and The Batman just goes right over my head. To be clear I like Mask of the Phantasm and I do think it’s good for what it is, but in recent years it has become so overrated. Some Batman fans rank it above Batman Begins and The Dark Knight which is just insane to me.
Sure if you’re a TH-camr in need of doing a video essay, Mask of the Phantasm and especially The Batman should be your bread and butter. The Batman in particular follows the Save the Cat approach to storytelling to a T. It has themes, arcs, messages and all that good stuff. However, my major problem with both of these films is the lack of an answer for the simple question of “what exactly did Batman accomplish in this movie?”
In Mask of the Phantasm Batman doesn’t stop anything. Phantasm killed everyone that she intended to kill. Batman presence really had no bearing on the Phantasm’s plot at all.
The Batman is a more egregious example of this because of its nearly 3 hour runtime. You spend that much time in that world with the character of Batman and he doesn’t prevent or solve much of anything. People go on about how it’s such a great detective film, but every major break in the case is just handed to him by other characters. Batman never figures out on his own that Falcone is the rat, He only discovered Riddler’s final plan because of a remark about the murder weapon being a carpet tool, and only found Riddler’s website when Penguin corrected him on the Ratalada thing. Same deal as Mask of the Phantasm, you could remove Batman from the film and Riddler’s plan plays out exactly the same.
The Batman is a perfect example of just because you have all these different aspects that make TH-camrs salivate when making their video essays, it doesn’t automatically make for a satisfying story. Also, to be clear again I like Matt Reeves as a filmmaker and I love The Animated Series but I between those two films I don’t see the masterpieces that they’re portrayed to be.
Banger list! 100% agree. Great video! God you're good.
Have you been keeping up with the Penguin?
Mask of Phantasm & Batman Begins are tied for my favorite Batman movie with Dark knight being 2nd & The Batman being 3rd. Begins holds such a dear place in my heart because its the only one of the nolan trilogy that feels like it can be fantastical & above all else Begins much like Sam raimi's Spiderman understands that the audiences like the cape & fighting villains so long as you care about the man behind the mask, Bale just embodies Bruce so well everytime he is in danger I get tense because the movie let me know him as a person not an idea but a person. Also another thing that the Nolan movies deserves the absolute credit for is the character of Lucius fox yes the character existed in comics prior to Begins but Batman Begins in the movie that made Fox into a genuine character that comics have completely co-opted. Batman begins made Lucius in an actual character with motivations, intelligence, business knowlage & confidant for Bruce everything we today love about the character comes from Batman begins.
You should also watch the video Lancelotti made. I love his breakdown on all of the Live Action Batmen
11:48 that guy looks like John Turturro
I still think Mask of The Phantasm is the best Batman movie
anyone else noticing alot for Batman content, and recommendation these days or is it just me?
so he pulled a cosmonaut
did he gain the rights to review all the batman movies? Must've missed that
@@thegoldman25 i didnt mean it as a jab at all i love cosmonaut and ur channel they just released close
@@TJHill07 fair enough, my apologies
If you would like suggestions of movie franchises to analyze, might I suggest:
Transformers- the Micheal Bay movies, Bumblebee, ROTB, and the animated movies One and 1986
Superman
Spider-man- The Raimi trilogy, Amazing Spider-man 2 movies, MCU, and Spider-Verse movies
X-Men- From the 2000 movie to Dark Phoenix (even though it should've ended with Logan)
I'll add them to my list, thanks!
I’m here for the dark knight, the Batman, and the Lego Batman movie. All other movies do not matter
The Burton movies are good.
@@kdusel1991 I haven’t seen them. But I did think of that while I was writing the comment. But I haven’t seen it or have any knowledge about it. So it would be a lie.
What about Batman Begins and the Dark Knight Rises?
@@SpenceyWencey-tz7lp dark knight rises is just whatever to me. I like Bane but the story is pretty weak.
@@kdusel1991 it’s the weakest of the trilogy, but still a great movie imo
not watched the video yet but Lego Batman is the best one
Dude I enjoy your videos, but hearing “I’ve never seen Tim Burton movies” kills your credibility so bad. It’s hard.
Sorry ):
Great video. But I think you missed one. There was another movie set in the TAS show, focusing on Mr Freeze as the villain. Sub-Zero, and it too was awesome :)
That film is good. But it wasn't theatrically released.
I think you’re too harsh on the Tim Burton movies and too soft on Christopher Nolan’s movies. There’s no way you can put The Dark Knight Rises above the Burton movies nor putting Christian Bale above Michael Keaton
I can understand Bale, but much less giving too much of a high note to Rises.
TDKR has only aged worse over time. It feels so plainly like a 2000’s CBM. I feel like Burtons films have an effortless and timeless charm to them. That being said Begins and TDK did break new ground totally and thematically and shouldn’t be slept on.
How about the New 52 series Batman
Bruh some of your lines are just the same as in your other previous batman videos LOL
Only BvS, which I did just do a video on so yeah I used my same points. I haven’t talked about any of the other Batman movies (except The Batman but I did a whole 30 min video on that)
Remastered old Batman movies look weird
Animated series is Batman
Will u do a review of James Bond
Hotish take, I think Batman Begins is the best batman movie. Is the only Nolan film when gothan isn't just Chicago. It perfectly explores his origin and ideology, as well as it shows his training, Bale is perfect as Bruce, and his batman voice isn't a stupid as in the sequals, it has a great balance of realistic and supernatural, batman looks intimidating while in the sequals looks to skinny, and you don't even notice he can't move his head. Every prefomance is great, and Oldman is the best gordan.
Daredevil >>> Batman
Voting against the dare devil is like going against the special Olympics.
@@warrentalbot329 do you mean Paralympics?
did you watch the ultimate edition of batman v superman? its way better
Keep watching
A commercial break before Every. Single. Part. What the hell TH-cam?
Hot take
Nicholson's Joker >>>>>>> Ledger's Joker
Don't get me wrong. I like TDK and see why Ledger's Joker became one the most iconic adaptation of the clown prince of crime in the films. However the film having Joker wanting to break Gotham's people spirit by corrupting Harvey kind defeats the point of his character, that he has no plan.
Nicholson's Joker, on other hand, nailed the chaotic nature of the villain. He's not trying to prove a point or make some statment about society. Nothing him is straight to the point nor consistent, with Joker changing his mind in seconds. In the end, everthing he does is part of grand show and he is the main star. All Joker is to spread chaos in the city and let people know he did, like the "twisted artist" he sees himself as.
It's something recent adaptations (usually post TDK) have lost about the Joker, focusing on having him being scary and a city level threat and forgetting that he's suppose to be a clown with a dark sense of humor.
Not a hot take bud
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Why are you making this long of a video about batman when you know almost nothing about batman
Cuz I like movies
Well how else will he learn more about Batman lol
@@thegoldman25 fair enough
dude why are you way too excited? LOL
Thumbs up just for disliking the 60's series. If people were to be honest with themselves, it's the worst interpretation of the character because the original concept was more like the Nolan Batman. They just made it silly because of the hippie period and because they had no idea how to treat the franchise.
Batman 66 is in line with the Batman comics from the mid-40’s through the 60’s. Batman hadn’t been a dark character since 1939-1940. So I can’t fault the series for adapting that campy tone that was rampant throughout the comics.
@@jalenjohnson1662 Were the 60's comics made by Bill Finger?
@@white-dragon4424 What does that have to do with anything? Most of the iconic/landmark Batman stories weren’t written by Bob Kane or Bill Finger.
@@jalenjohnson1662 A bunch of third party hippie writers in the 60's can hardly be seen as going by the original vision of its creator, can they?
@@white-dragon4424 Batman had been campy since the mid-40’s. That’s far more than just some hippie writers from the 60’s. The campy tone had become the status quo in the comics. My preferred Batman is something the balances the darker aspects with the camp like The Animated Series, The Burton films, and the Bronze Age comics all the way up to the comics of today. However, I can’t expect tv producers from 50 years ago to bypass nearly 20 years worth of comics by that point, just to get to a darker version.
L takes smh.
NVM I change my mind. Pretty level headed takes. You won me over at your comment about poison ivy. 🔥
Hahaha thanks!
Batman begins is a poorly shot, messily written, bland, terribly directed and acted film. At least I cracked a smile, or showed any bit of joy with Batman and Robin compared to it.
this is a crazy take, but I appreciate you for sharing it
You sure you aren't confusing Batman & Robin with Batman Begins?