@@noodlesyoutuberYou hyping yourself up just makes you come across as a douchebag, I'm a fan but you need to learn how to come across with even SOME level of humbleness.
@@noodlesyoutuber nah you was pretty bad you said swag statements was all assumptions which is fair but your statements was never assumptions you was like I said this and you have to believe it example when y'all was talking bout Itachi water gun saying swag was assuming Itachi used it as light speed but you said he wasn't which is a assumption on your part nobody knows if he was or not
Good debate overall, but a few notes… Noodles you seem to demand “proof” for every narrative implication (even if it’s clearly implied), yet you make assumptions without proof in the same way. That and your occasional unprofessional rudeness made the debate kinda hard to watch.
Sounds like you didn’t like the moments where I heavily pressured swag to answer questions. And which moments were clearly implied? It’s also not my job in a debate to call out assumptioms for myself, if I made some they were unintentional and it’s swags job to call them out.
@@Saiedits154 Nah, I’ve made some of the exact same arguments for years down to the letter lol. I could literally call plagiarism. 😂 He definitely won though. I don’t really see where you think he did. Itachi has already no diffed Nagato in the show. It doesn’t get much easier than that.
Ngl this debate was so ass. After noodles complemented Swag for his improvement, it got really toxic and both sides but moreso noodles started being really ratty. Like I like noodles (and I think you can see that I’ve commented good stuff on his channel before) but this debate sucked so much
I agree noodles was extremely ratty it started off as a good and civil debate than noodles started getting ratty which made swag get ratty but swag still shouldn't respond like that either way I have no hate towards them and not bias cause I don't know either one of them
Shit you right the more I watch noodles the less I like him he's a one sided person it's his opinion and his only he's like another person I know that does anime stuff
2:22:24 shows that like 4 “Swag Lost” comments got taken away. My mods weren’t directed to limit chat or something 2:22:22 I have no idea why those messages were hidden.
Bruv, I get this a debate and you have to try to prove your point. But this shit is so obnoxious. Its obvious naruto would try to end the fight as surely and fast as posible we would just chuck a slow ass projectile at his biggest enemy, the person he hates most in the world, just because he is injured, he would do whatever he needed to to end the fight. Noodles is annoying af. “Its just an assumption” yeah every single one of your points is too
Right noodles is a one sided person that thinks everything he says is facts which they not they are assumptions the more I watch noodles the more I don't like him noodles is a rat all he does is mostly make ratty ass debates
Naruto has a tendency to spam newer abilities. So being able to throw is a newer ability. He could also not want to get close. Noodles didn't do a good job of backing his point there, but there are a few logical reasons to why naruto would throw over directly delivering the rasenshuriken. all of it is speculation at the end of the day. And naruto OFTEN does not do "whatever is necessary to end the fight" . that is the entire reason the talk no jutsu memes exist.
Even though I don't think you won lmao Its nice to see you guys no longer beefing and having a chill (well as chill as these debates can get) and Fun Stream
@@sensei_tha_wolfI don't see how you see noodles won I do think he won a couple points but swag didn't win either they both was ratting and not was all over there place by what I mean by all over there place is they made no sense
@noodlesyoutuber So, The proper correction would be:” noodles is a clown whose mom lives in his basement.” Bro, I don’t care what anyone else says. You are the GOAT for the clown make up!
He hasn't posted in a long time cause it's heard to keep posting videos that everyone else does not saying swag copies people just saying when the anime debate stuff popped off everybody was making videos of the same shit and a lot of them just was repeats of other people's videos
They both were rough at times, but Noodles was more hypocritical and unreasonable. Not the swag wasn't, just less so. He needs proof for everything, but provides none for his own arguments and assumptions.
Even so, you behaved as if some of those scans were absolute concrete proof for your interpretations and dismissed what swag said at times because of it. Again, there were times he did the same thing, however, you sometimes came across on your points as "it's right because it is."
@@Zayah559 well even if you think I didn’t have the most open minded attitude you have to at least admit I did provide proof for my arguments. You’re claim about “provides none for his own” is definitely wrong
@noodlesyoutuber Fair enough. I should have left out arguments and only have said assumptions. I'm not sure who won, but you were very argumentative about every single detail as if you had to win everything. I understand that it's a debate, but it took up so much time and you guys could have touched on much more. It was unfortunate.
@@noodlesyoutuberthat's what I mean you got heated over a debate I get it it's your job but getting heated over fake characters is really childish to me again no hate I honestly wish you the best cause I do believe you have some good points
@@deathreaper4166 show some respect he's atleast trying to chase his dream man I respect that and again I know I've been dogging him but he does have valid points at times I just don't like how he debates that's all
@@Grim-c1d I do respect Noodles he’s a good debater and content creator. I was just supporting your point about him getting too heated though Cus this isn’t even technically his job 😂
@noodlesyoutuber Better than you saying weather or not Kishimoto stated something in the manga and saying it could be his editor, yk what you were doing
@@Swaggy_JDJ it easily could have been an editor statement dumbass. That’s a weekly release only statement not the volume release. And it’s wrong because obito is a stronger member of the akatsuki regardless.
@@Swaggy_JDJ you started this comment thread by calling me a rat now you’re mad about an insult back lmao? Cry about it buddy. As for the weekly release editor note, prove kishimoto wrote it because as far as I’m concerned kishimoto specifically said that obito was stronger than pain in the actual dialogue of the manga not just some random editorial note.
Can't say noodles got cooked, but a couple bad faith arguments is enough to makes you an L debater immediately IMO and noodles is def in that category after this.
So what do you think about swag trying to argue that pain was the best rinnegan user, and was could repel all ninjutsu including sosp Naruto’s lava style rasenshuriken, and swag admitting that he used disingenuous wording in the middle of the debate to try and say that I wasn’t allowed to use Yatamirror and Totsuka Blade. Or swag trying to say Minato didn’t consider Minato and member of the akatsuki? Like are these all good faith arguments to you or something
@@noodlesyoutuber Pain is undoubtedly weaker than many rinnegan users given how undeniably he lacks in power comapred to later characters, but arguing he's the best isn't ridiculous considering the finese he shows in his usage of the rinnegan compared to later users. Neither here nor there, though, as that doesn't excuse the whataboutism that you just engaged in. I didn't absolve swag, just condemned you, as I found your instances more egregious. Some of those things aren't even in bad faith; you just disagree enough to consider them ridiculous.
@@noodlesyoutuberHe clarified literally a minute later to mean all ninjutsu under a certain level. And idk how you can complain abt the Yata mirror + Totska blade point if you agreed to beginning of Shippuden Itachi who hadn’t shown either of those abilities yet. But either way he let you use them and chose not to rat unlike you at multiple points during the debate. And as for the Minato point it’s not even egregious, alive Minato has never seen Obito in Akatsuki clothing, it’s very possible he views him as an enigma outside or above the Akatsuki entirely.
@@deathreaper4166 swag literally said it was fine for me to switch to uchiha hideout sasuke because he was being cheeky with his wording not my problem at that point lmao. And it didn’t say all ninjutsu so saying all ninjutsu even under a certain context doesn’t work. Especially considering he ended up dropping that point.
@@noodlesyoutuber Why are you using that as an example of him ratting if he let you switch ? And when did he drop that point ? The only thing he conceded was it wouldn’t work against was Yata mirror. He stuck on the point that Shinra Tensei would repel any ninjutsu Itachi had because of the statement + examples of it never not reflecting a ninjutsu attack. Don’t think he dropped it, it was just left up to audience/judges and y’all moved onto the next point.
Very interesting, Swag did a very good job and held his own against Noodles for 4 hours. Although Noodles did not do as well as he could have. Nia was hilarious.
@@noodlesyoutuberpain is the "strongest"user he used most of rinnagian abilities now technically he wasn't the strongest user but he was the most most that we seen on screen and yeah I don't understand how you got that that person said he was the strongest rinnagian user from saying pain out speeds idk how to spell his name so we going to say hiruzen grandson
@@edits4039that was only for the second half of the fight and kabuto controlling nagato just made him fight more intelligently so I don’t think it’s a nerf in the slightest
@@noodlesyoutuber No he didn't? Nagato literally used rinnegan and all his abilities since he was a child so no way Kabuto was using them better than Nagato (What happened in that fight also proofs how goofy Kabuto was)
@@edits4039 Kabuto immediately brought up the animals summons and chibaku tensei, 2 of pains best abilities, how was he not using him adequately? Fact is itachi is superior and that’s why he lost, there isn’t a counter to the yatamirror and totsuka.
The problem with these debates is that they get bogged down in minutia and argue about it. A better format would be to make your argument and then have your opponent makes theirs. Go back and forth but not at the same time. In the end the stronger argument will be more persuasive.
"Pain got fucked up by jiraya, he killed 5 paths" an hour later "jiraya doesnt even scale to kakashi, the only akatski member he can kill is hidan, jiraya is ass" in the same debate we go from jiraya nearly killed one of the most powerful akatski members to he cant kill any akatchi member besides the fodder
@@WONDERGAMER9947 he never nearly killed pain and yeah dumbass the point is as making is that pain is one of the weakest members for struggling with someone like jiraiya. You’re just presupposing that pain is one of the strongest without actually looking at the scaling for each member
@@noodlesyoutuber Nah you are smoking meth my guy, It's both narrativly and through feats shown that pain is one of the strongest members of the akatski. And also, this wasn't talked about in the debate from the time stamp I'm at, but pain had to hold back against jiraya btw. He didn't want to destroy the rain village. He was locked out of his strongest attacks. And lastly YOU are the one that said and implied that jiraya almost beat pain when you said "If jiraya had all the information about pain he would have won" as an anti feat.
@@noodlesyoutuber Pain is one of the strongest. The only ones you could really argue is stronger is Itachi, and Kisame… Obito isn’t actually a member, but if you want to count him then Tobi when he comes. He’s definitely stronger than the majority of them, and nothing really says otherwise for the rest of them.
Pain vs itachi is already a very controversial debate. I think most people would lean Itachi but I think a good debater could make the case that pain can win. Swag didn’t make that case sadly.
1:04:00 Naruto actually forgot twice in that episode about the absorption. He just saw Bee's V2 cloak get ripped off. Plus the past occurrence with Pein.
Saying Sasuke actually broke through the Tsukuyomi alone is wrong in my opinion. To break genjutsu interference with it can break you out, and Sasuke broke out with snakes which later revealed themselves to be Orochimaru’s. It was obvious that Orochimaru had broken him out of it, which is why those snakes appeared for the first and only time during the show. 3:54:40 Itachi also used genjutsu in the presence of Nagato without him realizing when he used the Koto Amatsu Kami to break himself out of Edo. Nagato sensed the chakra from Amaterasu, but didn’t sense the activation of the Koto, a genjutsu. Pain had no where near enough genjutsu resistance to deal with the genjutsu that Itachi would throw. Saying Sasuke’s eyes were more skilled at that point is just wrong. In fact, it is proven to be wrong when Itachi’s Mangekyou is STILL stronger than Sasuke’s EMS. Noodles won, hands down.
You got soooooo lucky noodles lol swag has a lot of knowledge but he can’t debate. If you’re admitting that Naruto thinks his opponent is in a disadvantageous position you’re admitting that Naruto has evaluated the situation to recognize said disadvantageous position. As a trained fighter speed power and ability are all part of that evaluation. lol
@@noodlesyoutuber that’s one way of looking at it. Maybe he just forgot. Maybe he didn’t. Either way most people are saying you lost the debate lol I meant tho you’re lucky you were debating swag. Plenty of people could have torn your arguments apart.
@@noodlesyoutuber either way tho I think you won but I don’t agree with your take. I was just pointing out and using that for an example showing how flimsy some of your arguments were
@@redbeard3606 that doesn’t make sense but okay. That’s like saying you only won the debate because you’re a better debater. That legit means there is No luck involved just skill. Swag also admitted I was super knowledgeable so I know a shit ton and I can debate. Quit coping.
@@redbeard3606 “most people are saying you lost the debate” not from what I’ve seen. Most people I’ve talked to especially knowledgeable debaters are saying I won the debate. The biggest criticism I’m getting is swags fanbase are riding his meat saying I was disingenuous.
It's funny when noodles is losing a argument he tries to make fun and start making swag to define things cause he lost and now he's just being straight rude toxic noodles is not a good power scaler he's honestly kinda trash the more I watch and rewatch these videos the more I notice it again sometimes it's very rare but sometimes he has good arguments
imo Noodles did have a lot of shitty arguments in the whole debates and also got really annoying with the whole semantic shit. But he did well, I'd say both were about on par with the quality of their arguments
@@human4866it's my first time ever watching noodles and now I see why people say he's a bad debater cause he can't debate now I'm not saying I can debate cause I can't remember everything and I just don't care enough bout fake characters I'll say my opinion and that's where it ends but it's just my opinion
I do think Nagato wasn't wanting to fight Naruto,bee and Itachi cause Nagato was warning them what he was doing and I honestly think Nagato meant to get hit by the black flames idk how to spell it but cause once Kabuto took full control of Nagato Nagato was wrecking bee and Naruto and was going to beat them two
Yeah, honestly, that was something that swag missed during the debate. But it’s impossible to catch everything during the debate like noodle said at the end.
@@___________0Z0Xit's hard to know what to say when you are constantly being called names and talked over they both did the talking over but noodles was very disrespectful with all the name calling
@@Grim-c1d yeah, I think it’s important to remember that this wasn’t a real debate. The point of this was to be entertaining. If they wanted this to be any kind of a real debate, then they would’ve been a third-party, who would’ve been moderating, and who would’ve muted the other side during argument.
@@___________0Z0Xwell it was a serious debate noodles said it was cause he got mad and said I don't like when people use weird wording when he wants a serious debate and six was the third party idk why six didn't speak up more and tell them to calm down and let each other talk
This is my last comment noodles you need to stop power scaling if that's what you want to call it you told swag to stfu cause he said something bout Yamato that's very rude I agree that Itachi bodies Yamato but Yamato is a badass and you called him ignorant when you are very ignorant and also your power scaling makes no sense at all and you don't have any way to prove what you say well most of it
Wait he said Naruto didn't show signs of fatigue what is he on about you see Naruto breathing heavy so very clear of Naruto is fatigue and also Minato giving Naruto chakra is also a sign of fatigue also
ngl noodles did much better this time and made better pointss. the recoil affects for rasen shuriken was where u were really wrong though i think swag proved that wellq
If Itachi is out of chakra then he can't use susono so yeah swag was right about that susono requires chakra and you said yourself he was out of chakra so he shouldn't been able to use susono and this is my second time watching this I said it before they both need to grow up but noodles needs alot more growing up he was saying very offensive shit to some people idk why noodles calls himself a "power scaler" you can't scale a fake character only the creator knows how stronger the characters really are and don't be a debater or anything if you going to be ratty and toxic again no hate it's just my look at it
Yeah i can see why you think that pain cant hold the chikba tensi or however its spelt vut why would he hold it if naruto already broke out of it theres no point holding it up if the person hes trying to trap with it breaks out
Think noodles won but I think Swag could have focused more on the chakra rods and composed a better win con but he really was ready to go to the gym after 2 hours in. 😂😂 Nah but out of respect for his debate skills I say noodles even tho I think Pain wins.
14:00 Itachi didn't have to catch Nagato off-guard. That's just how Swag chooses to stupidly take it. kabuto was aware of Itachi breaking out of his control for a time before Itachi hits Nagato with amaterasu. So that attack wasn't a surprise attack considering he attacked the dog summon a while b4 he attacked Nagato. KAbuto saw this, Nagato saw this. Nagato [not completely under control] even questioned Itachi on what he did to break free. The main fact he saw Itachi attack the dog was a clear indication that he could easily be next. No surprise for NAgato. He also would've easily seen[if actively looking] the chakra building up in Itachi's eye b4 he shot off Amaterasu. Again no surprise attack. Nagato simply couldn't react to Amaterasu. Itachi simply took out the summons eyes cause they were on the look out not becuz he needed to surprise attack nagato. from the time those eyes were neutralized 'alarms' would've been raised. Itachi blitzed him with Susanoo. he saw the arm coming and still couldn't react. whether he's under control or not Nagato can't react fast enough to Amaterasu.
Do you think Nagato was purposely getting hit by the black flames idk how to spell it cause Nagato didn't want to fight them in the first place cause notice he wasn't really fighting until he was taken fully control of by Kabuto when I say wasn't really fighting yes he was fighting but telling them what was going to happen ahead of time
@@Grim-c1d You don't know how to spell it cuz you Can't! He was fighting, period. Kabuto was relying on the summons at that time against Naruto and Itachi against Bee. Naruto and Bee barely got a heads up. There was nothing akin to "look out, i;m about to do this". Y'all exaggerate the scene. in cases Bee was already on it even without being told. This wasn't like the comical case like when the Division was fighting against the Second Mizukage. He was short of 'spoon-feeding' them. "Good Naruto, start by drawing me away. i lack mobility". "im behind you[itachi]. I know! okay![Bee] "don't relax naruto"[nagato] "don't look me straight in the eye!" "they multiply whenever you hit it. focus on defeating me for now." This is what you mean by "he was fighting but telling them what was going to happen ahead of time"? Pfft! oh boy, they were doomed without those details eh?😏
@@jason-vv6kv ok you have your opinions and I have mine it's just pretty clear to me that's what's happening but again that's me you have the right to think what you want to think
@@Grim-c1d"Do you think Nagato was purposely getting hit by the black flames" NOt at all. Itachi was just to fast for him. And Kabuto controlling NAgato is no negative issue since he still matched the speed KCM1 Naruto and V2 Bee with no diff ease.
@@Grim-c1d No! i don't have an opinion, you do. Everything i stated at the bottom was verbatim from the episode. Facts. and every physical interaction as shown. You're flat out wrong.
Again sorry for all the comments lol I commenting while the video plays but idc what the databooks say Itachi doesn't have the strongest ocular justsu ever kamui is the strongest one everybody says it's broken including yourself susono is amazing but it's has counters which all justsu has counters cause if they didn't Obito would be unbeatable
@@noodlesyoutuber it was like 6-3 in swags favor What really caught me off guard was how u say ur point is the correct one unless proven otherwise like its the default Like the rasenshuriken point was wayy in swags favor I will admit you did have the chakra cloak ninjutsu point tho I agree with u on that Overall I think even if itachi vs pain could go either way with slight favor for itachi, but u didn’t do the best job of proving your point
@@GRebron the rasenshuriken had 2 separate points. Speed and durability and in regards to that he did not win either lol, and even if you thought he did, it was not a major point in the debate. He lost speed, he lost the susanoo point horribly, he lost Genjutsu, and he lost Amaterasu and he admitted that the shinra tensei would be blocked by the yatamirror. His only win con that he even made was CT and he lost that due to my susanoo counter.
Noodles absolutely cooked. He just said something I never thought of, sage mode naruto > 6 tails naruto. It can actually legitimately be argued that sage mode naruto is physically stronger than 6 tails naruto. 🔥🔥🔥 noodles went crazy W
⬇️ Use this as the I bodied Swag Button, Love you all
Why'd y'all have to rat so much in the debate😭
I think swag was ratting way harder personally...
@@noodlesyoutuberYou hyping yourself up just makes you come across as a douchebag, I'm a fan but you need to learn how to come across with even SOME level of humbleness.
@@noodlesyoutuber nah you was pretty bad you said swag statements was all assumptions which is fair but your statements was never assumptions you was like I said this and you have to believe it example when y'all was talking bout Itachi water gun saying swag was assuming Itachi used it as light speed but you said he wasn't which is a assumption on your part nobody knows if he was or not
@@Grim-c1dnah I made some assumptions but swag needed to call them out not my job
I honestly don't even care about the debate a lot, it was just nice seeing you two collab and have a interesting conversation together.
Good debate overall, but a few notes… Noodles you seem to demand “proof” for every narrative implication (even if it’s clearly implied), yet you make assumptions without proof in the same way. That and your occasional unprofessional rudeness made the debate kinda hard to watch.
Sounds like you didn’t like the moments where I heavily pressured swag to answer questions. And which moments were clearly implied? It’s also not my job in a debate to call out assumptioms for myself, if I made some they were unintentional and it’s swags job to call them out.
@@noodlesyoutuberif you made some everything you said was assumptions what are you on
I give noodles credit for knowing he's a clown
He be clowning around lol.
He won.
@@imeaniguess.6963 he didn't: he got no diffed
@@Saiedits154 Nah, I’ve made some of the exact same arguments for years down to the letter lol. I could literally call plagiarism. 😂
He definitely won though. I don’t really see where you think he did. Itachi has already no diffed Nagato in the show. It doesn’t get much easier than that.
@@imeaniguess.6963 He got slapped, did u even track his arguments?
Ngl this debate was so ass. After noodles complemented Swag for his improvement, it got really toxic and both sides but moreso noodles started being really ratty.
Like I like noodles (and I think you can see that I’ve commented good stuff on his channel before) but this debate sucked so much
I agree noodles was extremely ratty it started off as a good and civil debate than noodles started getting ratty which made swag get ratty but swag still shouldn't respond like that either way I have no hate towards them and not bias cause I don't know either one of them
But it was Hella entertaining though lol.
If you go to 2:21:55 someone says Swag is cooking and then their comment gets deleted, lmao noodles and his mods are coping no way
Are you serious? That has to be cap.
Shit you right the more I watch noodles the less I like him he's a one sided person it's his opinion and his only he's like another person I know that does anime stuff
That's crazzyyy talk abt only allowing support and not different opinions that's what he does throughout this whole stream
2:22:24 shows that like 4 “Swag Lost” comments got taken away. My mods weren’t directed to limit chat or something 2:22:22 I have no idea why those messages were hidden.
Bruv, I get this a debate and you have to try to prove your point. But this shit is so obnoxious. Its obvious naruto would try to end the fight as surely and fast as posible we would just chuck a slow ass projectile at his biggest enemy, the person he hates most in the world, just because he is injured, he would do whatever he needed to to end the fight. Noodles is annoying af. “Its just an assumption” yeah every single one of your points is too
Right noodles is a one sided person that thinks everything he says is facts which they not they are assumptions the more I watch noodles the more I don't like him noodles is a rat all he does is mostly make ratty ass debates
Naruto has a tendency to spam newer abilities. So being able to throw is a newer ability. He could also not want to get close. Noodles didn't do a good job of backing his point there, but there are a few logical reasons to why naruto would throw over directly delivering the rasenshuriken. all of it is speculation at the end of the day. And naruto OFTEN does not do "whatever is necessary to end the fight" . that is the entire reason the talk no jutsu memes exist.
Some scales in this debate were pretty ratty
Even though I don't think you won lmao Its nice to see you guys no longer beefing and having a chill (well as chill as these debates can get) and Fun Stream
Noodles definitely won dude come on
@@sensei_tha_wolfhell nah Swag bodied
@@sensei_tha_wolfI don't see how you see noodles won I do think he won a couple points but swag didn't win either they both was ratting and not was all over there place by what I mean by all over there place is they made no sense
Noodles is a clown who lives in his moms basement confirmed.
I am a clown but that was my basement fucker
@noodlesyoutuber So, The proper correction would be:” noodles is a clown whose mom lives in his basement.”
Bro, I don’t care what anyone else says. You are the GOAT for the clown make up!
Swag didn't post on his channel for so long. I hope all is well
He hasn't posted in a long time cause it's heard to keep posting videos that everyone else does not saying swag copies people just saying when the anime debate stuff popped off everybody was making videos of the same shit and a lot of them just was repeats of other people's videos
They both were rough at times, but Noodles was more hypocritical and unreasonable. Not the swag wasn't, just less so. He needs proof for everything, but provides none for his own arguments and assumptions.
I literally gave swag a scan everytime he asked for one dummy
Even so, you behaved as if some of those scans were absolute concrete proof for your interpretations and dismissed what swag said at times because of it. Again, there were times he did the same thing, however, you sometimes came across on your points as "it's right because it is."
@@Zayah559 well even if you think I didn’t have the most open minded attitude you have to at least admit I did provide proof for my arguments. You’re claim about “provides none for his own” is definitely wrong
@noodlesyoutuber Fair enough. I should have left out arguments and only have said assumptions. I'm not sure who won, but you were very argumentative about every single detail as if you had to win everything. I understand that it's a debate, but it took up so much time and you guys could have touched on much more. It was unfortunate.
Man noodles need some growing up so does swag but mostly noodles
Why lmao? This is a naruto debate goober
@@noodlesyoutuberthat's what I mean you got heated over a debate I get it it's your job but getting heated over fake characters is really childish to me again no hate I honestly wish you the best cause I do believe you have some good points
@@Grim-c1dit’s not even his job 💀 bro works at Walmart
@@deathreaper4166 show some respect he's atleast trying to chase his dream man I respect that and again I know I've been dogging him but he does have valid points at times I just don't like how he debates that's all
@@Grim-c1d I do respect Noodles he’s a good debater and content creator. I was just supporting your point about him getting too heated though Cus this isn’t even technically his job 😂
The title of this video needs to be changed to "Ratatouille director's cut"
Noodles is a rat lmao
“Pain is the best rinnegan user and can repel all ninjutsu including sosp naruto lava style rasenshuriken” -swagkage
@noodlesyoutuber Better than you saying weather or not Kishimoto stated something in the manga and saying it could be his editor, yk what you were doing
@@Swaggy_JDJ it easily could have been an editor statement dumbass. That’s a weekly release only statement not the volume release. And it’s wrong because obito is a stronger member of the akatsuki regardless.
@noodlesyoutuber Now with the name calling, how professional you are, regardless it was in the manga blame it on Kishimoto
@@Swaggy_JDJ you started this comment thread by calling me a rat now you’re mad about an insult back lmao? Cry about it buddy. As for the weekly release editor note, prove kishimoto wrote it because as far as I’m concerned kishimoto specifically said that obito was stronger than pain in the actual dialogue of the manga not just some random editorial note.
good to see that you and swag are on good terms now
Can't say noodles got cooked, but a couple bad faith arguments is enough to makes you an L debater immediately IMO and noodles is def in that category after this.
So what do you think about swag trying to argue that pain was the best rinnegan user, and was could repel all ninjutsu including sosp Naruto’s lava style rasenshuriken, and swag admitting that he used disingenuous wording in the middle of the debate to try and say that I wasn’t allowed to use Yatamirror and Totsuka Blade. Or swag trying to say Minato didn’t consider Minato and member of the akatsuki? Like are these all good faith arguments to you or something
@@noodlesyoutuber Pain is undoubtedly weaker than many rinnegan users given how undeniably he lacks in power comapred to later characters, but arguing he's the best isn't ridiculous considering the finese he shows in his usage of the rinnegan compared to later users. Neither here nor there, though, as that doesn't excuse the whataboutism that you just engaged in. I didn't absolve swag, just condemned you, as I found your instances more egregious. Some of those things aren't even in bad faith; you just disagree enough to consider them ridiculous.
@@noodlesyoutuberHe clarified literally a minute later to mean all ninjutsu under a certain level. And idk how you can complain abt the Yata mirror + Totska blade point if you agreed to beginning of Shippuden Itachi who hadn’t shown either of those abilities yet. But either way he let you use them and chose not to rat unlike you at multiple points during the debate. And as for the Minato point it’s not even egregious, alive Minato has never seen Obito in Akatsuki clothing, it’s very possible he views him as an enigma outside or above the Akatsuki entirely.
@@deathreaper4166 swag literally said it was fine for me to switch to uchiha hideout sasuke because he was being cheeky with his wording not my problem at that point lmao. And it didn’t say all ninjutsu so saying all ninjutsu even under a certain context doesn’t work. Especially considering he ended up dropping that point.
@@noodlesyoutuber Why are you using that as an example of him ratting if he let you switch ? And when did he drop that point ? The only thing he conceded was it wouldn’t work against was Yata mirror. He stuck on the point that Shinra Tensei would repel any ninjutsu Itachi had because of the statement + examples of it never not reflecting a ninjutsu attack. Don’t think he dropped it, it was just left up to audience/judges and y’all moved onto the next point.
Lol I am 100 percent for these anime debates. Please do more😂😂
“I’d have an exclamation point if a rat fell on my head”
Get speed blitzed I guess
Very interesting, Swag did a very good job and held his own against Noodles for 4 hours. Although Noodles did not do as well as he could have.
Nia was hilarious.
I mean Swagkage definitely lost, even rhetorically. But Swagkage did decent overall, he even won a few points.
@@messo3843eh if you think 6 Pains are slower than Konohomuru you’re insane
@@batbitchfaun6890 if you think pain is the strongest rinnegan user you’re insane
@@noodlesyoutuber bro what when did I ever say that ☠️☠️☠️
@@noodlesyoutuberpain is the "strongest"user he used most of rinnagian abilities now technically he wasn't the strongest user but he was the most most that we seen on screen and yeah I don't understand how you got that that person said he was the strongest rinnagian user from saying pain out speeds idk how to spell his name so we going to say hiruzen grandson
Edo Nagato => Edo Itachi >>Paths of Pain => Alive Itachi
Why are you putting edo nagato above itachi when he literally lost to him lmao
Dont forget that Itachi had his own mind while Nagato was being controlled by Kabuto so that was not fair at all.@@noodlesyoutuber
@@edits4039that was only for the second half of the fight and kabuto controlling nagato just made him fight more intelligently so I don’t think it’s a nerf in the slightest
@@noodlesyoutuber No he didn't? Nagato literally used rinnegan and all his abilities since he was a child so no way Kabuto was using them better than Nagato (What happened in that fight also proofs how goofy Kabuto was)
@@edits4039 Kabuto immediately brought up the animals summons and chibaku tensei, 2 of pains best abilities, how was he not using him adequately? Fact is itachi is superior and that’s why he lost, there isn’t a counter to the yatamirror and totsuka.
Bro when they started arguing abt the definition of axiom I realized they will never agree on any opinions
I love that this stuff exists
I love how the normal and the clown version are the same, implying noodles is a clown no matter what
meta'd
The problem with these debates is that they get bogged down in minutia and argue about it. A better format would be to make your argument and then have your opponent makes theirs. Go back and forth but not at the same time. In the end the stronger argument will be more persuasive.
Yeah, but if they were professional and didn’t cut each other off all the time, then it would be way less entertaining lol.
2:42:03 woah is swagkage black? didnt know he could say n word ;oo
Are you the n word police?
"Pain got fucked up by jiraya, he killed 5 paths" an hour later "jiraya doesnt even scale to kakashi, the only akatski member he can kill is hidan, jiraya is ass" in the same debate we go from jiraya nearly killed one of the most powerful akatski members to he cant kill any akatchi member besides the fodder
@@WONDERGAMER9947 he never nearly killed pain and yeah dumbass the point is as making is that pain is one of the weakest members for struggling with someone like jiraiya. You’re just presupposing that pain is one of the strongest without actually looking at the scaling for each member
@@noodlesyoutuber Nah you are smoking meth my guy, It's both narrativly and through feats shown that pain is one of the strongest members of the akatski. And also, this wasn't talked about in the debate from the time stamp I'm at, but pain had to hold back against jiraya btw. He didn't want to destroy the rain village. He was locked out of his strongest attacks. And lastly YOU are the one that said and implied that jiraya almost beat pain when you said "If jiraya had all the information about pain he would have won" as an anti feat.
@@WONDERGAMER9947If Jaraiya had all the information he would’ve won that fight…
@@noodlesyoutuber Pain is one of the strongest. The only ones you could really argue is stronger is Itachi, and Kisame… Obito isn’t actually a member, but if you want to count him then Tobi when he comes. He’s definitely stronger than the majority of them, and nothing really says otherwise for the rest of them.
Noodles got slammed im not a fan of either but noodles is rude not trying to be rude but seems like hes gor something wrong and if he dont i apologize
Noodles makes good videos that sound convincing if you dont think about it and take everything he says at face value.
Yeah, when he said that Donzo was wrong about Yagara being a perfect genjuriki and then claimed that Yukito was one, that was a clown Take.
Pain vs itachi is already a very controversial debate. I think most people would lean Itachi but I think a good debater could make the case that pain can win. Swag didn’t make that case sadly.
1:04:00
Naruto actually forgot twice in that episode about the absorption. He just saw Bee's V2 cloak get ripped off. Plus the past occurrence with Pein.
1:16:13
swag making up abilities now? raikiri is getting pulled off kakashi's hand?
the giovanni bit is crazy
Saying Sasuke actually broke through the Tsukuyomi alone is wrong in my opinion. To break genjutsu interference with it can break you out, and Sasuke broke out with snakes which later revealed themselves to be Orochimaru’s. It was obvious that Orochimaru had broken him out of it, which is why those snakes appeared for the first and only time during the show.
3:54:40 Itachi also used genjutsu in the presence of Nagato without him realizing when he used the Koto Amatsu Kami to break himself out of Edo. Nagato sensed the chakra from Amaterasu, but didn’t sense the activation of the Koto, a genjutsu. Pain had no where near enough genjutsu resistance to deal with the genjutsu that Itachi would throw.
Saying Sasuke’s eyes were more skilled at that point is just wrong. In fact, it is proven to be wrong when Itachi’s Mangekyou is STILL stronger than Sasuke’s EMS.
Noodles won, hands down.
Pain slams Itachi end of the debate. (high-extreme diff tho)
I agree but it's a high diff not a high-extreme diff which everything bout anime is opinion base so I respect your opinion
Then that’s not a slam my dude lol. But yeah, I mostly agree. Pain wins, he has the stamina.
I never said it was a slam
@@Grim-c1d I wasn’t talking about you buddy, don’t worry.
itachi fought kcm toe to toe , pain lost to sage naruto
Oh SNAP PART TWO LETS GO
You got soooooo lucky noodles lol swag has a lot of knowledge but he can’t debate. If you’re admitting that Naruto thinks his opponent is in a disadvantageous position you’re admitting that Naruto has evaluated the situation to recognize said disadvantageous position. As a trained fighter speed power and ability are all part of that evaluation. lol
I'm lucky because I debate better lol?
@@noodlesyoutuber that’s one way of looking at it. Maybe he just forgot. Maybe he didn’t. Either way most people are saying you lost the debate lol I meant tho you’re lucky you were debating swag. Plenty of people could have torn your arguments apart.
@@noodlesyoutuber either way tho I think you won but I don’t agree with your take. I was just pointing out and using that for an example showing how flimsy some of your arguments were
@@redbeard3606 that doesn’t make sense but okay. That’s like saying you only won the debate because you’re a better debater. That legit means there is No luck involved just skill. Swag also admitted I was super knowledgeable so I know a shit ton and I can debate. Quit coping.
@@redbeard3606 “most people are saying you lost the debate” not from what I’ve seen. Most people I’ve talked to especially knowledgeable debaters are saying I won the debate. The biggest criticism I’m getting is swags fanbase are riding his meat saying I was disingenuous.
It's funny when noodles is losing a argument he tries to make fun and start making swag to define things cause he lost and now he's just being straight rude toxic noodles is not a good power scaler he's honestly kinda trash the more I watch and rewatch these videos the more I notice it again sometimes it's very rare but sometimes he has good arguments
Noodles slammed. Swag conceded nearly all points later in the debate.
imo Noodles did have a lot of shitty arguments in the whole debates and also got really annoying with the whole semantic shit.
But he did well, I'd say both were about on par with the quality of their arguments
@@joaquincasascortes624he’s the worst debater and an massive asshole.
I mean… he’s always been known was having horrible takes lol
@@human4866it's my first time ever watching noodles and now I see why people say he's a bad debater cause he can't debate now I'm not saying I can debate cause I can't remember everything and I just don't care enough bout fake characters I'll say my opinion and that's where it ends but it's just my opinion
Show me where Swag EVER conceded?
I do think Nagato wasn't wanting to fight Naruto,bee and Itachi cause Nagato was warning them what he was doing and I honestly think Nagato meant to get hit by the black flames idk how to spell it but cause once Kabuto took full control of Nagato Nagato was wrecking bee and Naruto and was going to beat them two
Yeah, honestly, that was something that swag missed during the debate.
But it’s impossible to catch everything during the debate like noodle said at the end.
@@___________0Z0Xit's hard to know what to say when you are constantly being called names and talked over they both did the talking over but noodles was very disrespectful with all the name calling
@@Grim-c1d yeah, I think it’s important to remember that this wasn’t a real debate.
The point of this was to be entertaining.
If they wanted this to be any kind of a real debate, then they would’ve been a third-party, who would’ve been moderating, and who would’ve muted the other side during argument.
@@___________0Z0Xwell it was a serious debate noodles said it was cause he got mad and said I don't like when people use weird wording when he wants a serious debate and six was the third party idk why six didn't speak up more and tell them to calm down and let each other talk
@@Grim-c1d bro things anime debates are serious lol.
Look at your whole chat saying you lost lmao
Without plot and without the ninetails naruto wouldve lost to pain
Naruto needed sage mode to give him the control to even be able to throw the rasen shuriken because it's destroys his arm using it up close
This is my last comment noodles you need to stop power scaling if that's what you want to call it you told swag to stfu cause he said something bout Yamato that's very rude I agree that Itachi bodies Yamato but Yamato is a badass and you called him ignorant when you are very ignorant and also your power scaling makes no sense at all and you don't have any way to prove what you say well most of it
Wait he said Naruto didn't show signs of fatigue what is he on about you see Naruto breathing heavy so very clear of Naruto is fatigue and also Minato giving Naruto chakra is also a sign of fatigue also
ngl noodles did much better this time and made better pointss. the recoil affects for rasen shuriken was where u were really wrong though i think swag proved that wellq
KN8 Naruto > KN6 Kinkaku.
KCM >>> KN6 Kinkaku.
Itachi ~ KCM in physical strength.
v1 Susanoo > KCM.
v4 Susanoo >>> KCM.
Susanoo + Yata >>>> KCM.
Susanoo + Yata >>>>>> KN8.
Susanoo + Yata >>>>>>> CT.
Chibaku Tensei ain't shit.
drop the Itachi video fam
If Itachi is out of chakra then he can't use susono so yeah swag was right about that susono requires chakra and you said yourself he was out of chakra so he shouldn't been able to use susono and this is my second time watching this I said it before they both need to grow up but noodles needs alot more growing up he was saying very offensive shit to some people idk why noodles calls himself a "power scaler" you can't scale a fake character only the creator knows how stronger the characters really are and don't be a debater or anything if you going to be ratty and toxic again no hate it's just my look at it
Yeah i can see why you think that pain cant hold the chikba tensi or however its spelt vut why would he hold it if naruto already broke out of it theres no point holding it up if the person hes trying to trap with it breaks out
3:19:31 broooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Debatable debate if that makes sense😂
You should debate on how debatable this debate was.
NAruto's brain is addle. he forgets that regular jutsu won't work against juubito😂 when moments ago he sees it won't work.
Swag using gritty's arguments from the vid he made about six and Seth's reaction to his Anime Wrld collab
3:00:18 he better go to the orochimaru fight for this
noodles goes hard, my g
Think noodles won but I think Swag could have focused more on the chakra rods and composed a better win con but he really was ready to go to the gym after 2 hours in. 😂😂
Nah but out of respect for his debate skills I say noodles even tho I think Pain wins.
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Itachi didn't have to catch Nagato off-guard. That's just how Swag chooses to stupidly take it. kabuto was aware of Itachi breaking out of his control for a time before Itachi hits Nagato with amaterasu. So that attack wasn't a surprise attack considering he attacked the dog summon a while b4 he attacked Nagato. KAbuto saw this, Nagato saw this. Nagato [not completely under control] even questioned Itachi on what he did to break free. The main fact he saw Itachi attack the dog was a clear indication that he could easily be next. No surprise for NAgato. He also would've easily seen[if actively looking] the chakra building up in Itachi's eye b4 he shot off Amaterasu. Again no surprise attack. Nagato simply couldn't react to Amaterasu.
Itachi simply took out the summons eyes cause they were on the look out not becuz he needed to surprise attack nagato. from the time those eyes were neutralized 'alarms' would've been raised. Itachi blitzed him with Susanoo. he saw the arm coming and still couldn't react.
whether he's under control or not Nagato can't react fast enough to Amaterasu.
Do you think Nagato was purposely getting hit by the black flames idk how to spell it cause Nagato didn't want to fight them in the first place cause notice he wasn't really fighting until he was taken fully control of by Kabuto when I say wasn't really fighting yes he was fighting but telling them what was going to happen ahead of time
@@Grim-c1d You don't know how to spell it cuz you Can't!
He was fighting, period. Kabuto was relying on the summons at that time against Naruto and Itachi against Bee.
Naruto and Bee barely got a heads up. There was nothing akin to "look out, i;m about to do this". Y'all exaggerate the scene. in cases Bee was already on it even without being told. This wasn't like the comical case like when the Division was fighting against the Second Mizukage. He was short of 'spoon-feeding' them.
"Good Naruto, start by drawing me away. i lack mobility".
"im behind you[itachi]. I know! okay![Bee]
"don't relax naruto"[nagato]
"don't look me straight in the eye!"
"they multiply whenever you hit it. focus on defeating me for now."
This is what you mean by "he was fighting but telling them what was going to happen ahead of time"? Pfft! oh boy, they were doomed without those details eh?😏
@@jason-vv6kv ok you have your opinions and I have mine it's just pretty clear to me that's what's happening but again that's me you have the right to think what you want to think
@@Grim-c1d"Do you think Nagato was purposely getting hit by the black flames"
NOt at all. Itachi was just to fast for him. And Kabuto controlling NAgato is no negative issue since he still matched the speed KCM1 Naruto and V2 Bee with no diff ease.
@@Grim-c1d No! i don't have an opinion, you do. Everything i stated at the bottom was verbatim from the episode. Facts. and every physical interaction as shown. You're flat out wrong.
Jiraiya beats hidan, Kona,clay guy,sasori and kakazu no doubt
Noodles won hands down. Nobody can beat noodles in a debate
Get the meat out your mouth
That's funny noodles just threw out assumptions that he couldn't prove not all but most of his points where just assumptions with no evidence
Again sorry for all the comments lol I commenting while the video plays but idc what the databooks say Itachi doesn't have the strongest ocular justsu ever kamui is the strongest one everybody says it's broken including yourself susono is amazing but it's has counters which all justsu has counters cause if they didn't Obito would be unbeatable
Itachi would destroy pain or nagato. Pain has a better chance against itachi even tho nagato is stronger bc its more persons
Yea ngl swag had ya
His tobirama vs minato was a miss but this was ur miss
He lost every major point but okay
@@noodlesyoutuber it was like 6-3 in swags favor
What really caught me off guard was how u say ur point is the correct one unless proven otherwise like its the default
Like the rasenshuriken point was wayy in swags favor
I will admit you did have the chakra cloak ninjutsu point tho I agree with u on that
Overall I think even if itachi vs pain could go either way with slight favor for itachi, but u didn’t do the best job of proving your point
@@GRebron the rasenshuriken had 2 separate points. Speed and durability and in regards to that he did not win either lol, and even if you thought he did, it was not a major point in the debate. He lost speed, he lost the susanoo point horribly, he lost Genjutsu, and he lost Amaterasu and he admitted that the shinra tensei would be blocked by the yatamirror. His only win con that he even made was CT and he lost that due to my susanoo counter.
2:28:50 yoooo hahahhaaaaa
Noodles won
The totsuka blade would cut through the chibaku tensei rock like butter, it wouldn't even be able to fully seal itachi
2 all day
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Easy swag win
Noodles absolutely cooked. He just said something I never thought of, sage mode naruto > 6 tails naruto. It can actually legitimately be argued that sage mode naruto is physically stronger than 6 tails naruto. 🔥🔥🔥 noodles went crazy W
it's an L take
U must be trolling 😂
Pain wins lol 😂
itachi>kakuzu>nagato>pain
@@closegripbenchpress489 in your headcanon sure.
In reality not so much
@@affebanane3039 there's no such thing as "headcannon" thats just a new name for "made up".
The manga supports it
@@closegripbenchpress489 so, there is such a thing as headcanon lol.
No, the manga does not support your headcanon
@@affebanane3039 no and no
Noodles W 🤡 @ First.
First?